Is Zionism compatible with democracy? | Head to Head
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2016
- The ideology of Zionism, which calls for the establishment of a Jewish state, has dictated Israeli politics for decades.
But is it compatible with a democratic Israel? And can a state exclusively for Jews be a genuine democracy?
Palestinians argue that Zionism has become a byword for racism and colonial expansion.
In this episode, Mehdi Hasan challenges Shlomo Ben Ami , the former Israeli foreign minister and avowed liberal Zionist, on the challenges of Zionism and the failures of the Israeli peace camp.
Also joining the discussion are: Avi Shlaim, a renowned new historian and emeritus professor of international relations at the University of Oxford; Paul Charney, the chairman of the Zionist Federation; and Diana Buttu, a Palestinian lawyer and legal advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organisation.
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"Benjamin Netanyahu pretends that he wants to negotiate with the Palestinians but he keeps expanding Israeli settlements. So he is like a man who pretends to negotiate over the division of a pizza and he keeps eating it." Avi Shlaim Thank you for your honesty.
You do realize you think like the Holy prophet right? Allah knows best.
This is so he can bring more of those Europeans from Eourpe and different people's from Russia Poland Cascade mountains and every where else .and teach them the Hebrew language. Because they are plain white Gentiles Caucasian people's.
Palestinian are Jordanians not from west bank
partners in his coalitions like bennett say it more bluntly, in this respect and in others...
@Leon Harpley incredibly stupid, not even an argument. That is irrelevant
"Israeal negociating on pizza while eating it" So True
Maghfoor Ahmed Israel should have all the pizza because it's delicious. Maybe save some or no crumbs for the Palestinians
gold maple i think its good they stole that pizza from America anyways they pay for isreal lmao
Maghfoor Ahmed ,that was a beautiful analogy.
you say you don't like anchovies
LOL
27:00 They take a land, they claim it, then they make "concessions" of a land that doesn't belong to them in first place. Well said.
Omar Mouffok it does belong to us partially. We are from Israel. That’s where our ancestry is.
Josh Mellott isrealis we’re gone from Palestine for 1000 years. This is not my number, this is a number from the history books. During the rule of ottomans everyone lives peacefully. Jews haven’t done the same. If Jews own Israel than native Americans should claim all of north and South America. They have only been gone for 200 years. Much less than the time period Israelis were gone from Palestine.
lol what muslim country didn't take land from its original people?
@@muhammadwaraich5603
Israelis were the palestinian jews who were still around during that time.
@@muhammadwaraich5603 The whole problems facing Palestinians today is their own doing. If only they would have accepted what was fairly proposed by UNO in 1948 ,then they wouldn't be stuck in the problems which they have subconsciously built for themselves. Arabs need to give up their original plot of weeping the state of Israel from the face of the earth, instead accept the ground reality and get over their emotions!
Medhi should do a retake on this very topic with the same panel of guests, today. Every minute of the Head to Head viewing would be priceless!
Corbyn has never said a single statement which could be construed as hateful towards the Jewish people. The only reason he was targeted and called an anti-Semite is because he supports the rights of the Palestinian people to self determination and to be granted their basic human rights
@Yaron Zohar The real enemy of Israel is it’s own army. It drives it’s own people crazy in a way that 126 in the past 6 years committed suicide.
Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
@Yaron Zohar Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
All he said was the truth , it's so the zionazis don't like facts.
I agree with everything you say but should have been a little bit smarter he took the rabbit out of the hat before he could become Prime Minister
“There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.”
― Elie Wiesel
Wiesel supports the illegal settlements. He isn’t a great choice when looking for moral guidance
@@muslimtraditionalist Lol...exactly
Did you ever hear Weasle protest Zionist expansion?
@@kaziahmed1424 he failed to protest!
He is also I liar his book is fraud
If most Israeli's were like Shlomo Ben Ami, I think we can have a two state solution. But unfortunately, like Avi Shlaim pointed out, Shlomo Ben Ami only represents a handful of people
So far there haven't been a Palestinian state mainly because of Palestinians
Arabs have been rejecting a two state solution since the Peel Commission in 1936, and again in 1947, 1967 1974, 2000, and 2003. The reason there is no two state solution is that the Palestinians have rejected it repeatedly. You make yourself ridiculous by suggesting Israel is the one refusing it.
@@jackkessler9876 imagine stealing someone’s house and telling them they can have the toilet and then cry when they reject it, you sound like a fool.
Well, same can be told about Mehdi Hasan and Palestinians, can’t it? There is a long way which should be gone by both sides, but it’s a good sign people start understanding that this the only possible way.
@@freeeepalestine__ Israel didn’t steal it. Israel took over it after it has won in several wars started by the Arabs. Same as France took over Strasbourg and Russia took over Königsberg after they defeated Germany. Should France return it to Germany? No. Same for Israel. However, Israel is obliged to provide equal rights and opportunities to all Palestinians living on her territory, which is obviously not happening now.
The reason why he says a solution has to come from the international community is because he knows USA is under their thumb. USA is the UN.
NATO : NATIONS AMERICA TAKES OVER
“🇺🇸 is the MF’er!
You mean USA under the Zionist lobby thumb
it's better the solution come from a mosque by an imam LOL
@@paulkomn946 the solution that come from a Mosque by an Imam is better than a solution come from an islamophobic like you
Clearly it's been failing for 75 years. You invite someone to live by you and he throw you out and tell you not even to live on the stoep in front of your house. He want you gone and should be happy he let you live
Yeah the Mufti of a Jerusalem invited the Jews
Great talk.
Although I'm disappointed that no one had the balls to mention the talmud, noahide laws nor the fact that most Palestinians are "semites".
Semite primarily refers to language.
Yes that is why you hate them so much you don't know what love your neighbors is that is why you are fighting all the time.
That's a big tail or should I say something that's a big lie they was there before the Jewish coverts people's were that's for sure.
@@RooEfx Arabs are semites, they say Jews are not and are from Europe.
@@alexandrasymeon5893 Reinforcing my comment even more.
The answer to this conflict is boycott Israel until they obey international laws , not jungle laws
Normalizing trade and diplomacy would have ended the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and brought birth to a Palestinian state a long time ago. The organized boycotting and shunning of Israel by the Arab League has only brought nothing but tension, conflict, and distrust. History has proven that when nations organize a boycott and shun other nations, It will only cause problems.
The Arabs can't run a civilized state anywhere much less on Jewish soil. The Arabs shoud all go back to Arabia, their true homeland,
muhamed faour The answer to this conflict is to expel all Palestinians. All that land is historic Israel from the Mediterranean to the river Jordan. The issue will then be resolved.
International law decided to split Israel into 2 state. Arabs challenged it and tried to destroy Israel in 1948 and they lost. If you are the aggressor and you lose you don't get to decide anything.
Layla W Who are you to tell who is real Jew or who is not? What is your connection to Jewdaizm
Thank you, for this very informative talk. I learned a lot. I stand with Palestine, and we should boycott Israel, they should have accountability. Israel is out of control.
read about Muslim conquest of the Levant. and learn that the arab palestines are conquerers.try to figure out who was in israel first.. isralies or arab palestines?
@@thenetanel1996 Jews and Palestinians are incredibly genetically similar...just because the population got Arabized culturally doesn't mean they're colonizers themselves
@@thenetanel1996 as if jews didn't conquer the levant and weren't originally from there, the only orginal there were the canaanites and arabs derive from canaanites just were arabized
Does it bother you that everyone but you knows you're a dupe?
@@bundevsawhney7578 wrong religion cannot exist on DNA. there is no such thing as Jewish descent
Correction: the ideology of zionism is a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Regardless of whether a religion should have a state, the sanctity of someone else's homeland should not be violated.
Said the American ... which tribes land do you live on ?
@@rebekahhakeber5093 Unlike the Zionist state, America is a country for all its people.
@@ewancummins7106 Exactly unlike the native Palestinians, at least American Indians are free in a country that's for all its people unlike the racist Apartheid state called Israel that was created for JEWS-ONLY and have Palestinians imprisoned in the world's largest concentration camp!
mrs brown,u again,the jewish homeland was conquered by many nations,the last being arab islam jihad,the torah,bible and quran says it is israel,home of jewish people
Palestine should trace their history. Did they just drop from heaven? Israel history can be googled and interact with. I see them as migrating people who settled in the land of Israel after the series of wars that captured the kings of Judah and Israel and let the Jews into Exile. The people just returned to their homeland. They should just find a way to live happily instead of yearly bloodshed and poisoning of the younger generations mind. In times in memorial , people have been fighting wars and displacing people and taking territories. Russia hearnes crimea in n recent year, Palestine had nothing to say and the Arab world kept quiet. China is forcing himself on smaller territories and the world has not come to an end. Until Palestine becomes responsible and reasonable not allowing sentiment and religion to becloud their minds, peace and prosperity is available to them. I am just an objective observer.
this is the first Israeli, Jewish leader that's part of and a supporter of Zionism that speaks the truth and accept responsibility. I applaud this guy.
He represents under 2% of Zionists - Mehdi Hassan. This I believe is true, after watching Netanyahu, the Knesset (save one member), Israeli spokespersons (UK especially), generals and conscripts.
And just recently Netanyahu admitted that he is very proud of never wanting a 2 state solution or any solution at all.
"Israel is a special case"
Yeah that's sorta what it always comes back to: "it's fine when we do it".
NATANYAHOU IS A CURSE ,WICH CANNOT END WELL
The world discusses if thief acknowledges what they have stolen or not and if their actions were horrible during stealing. When will the justice will back to live as it was already buried.
The 2 state solution is a DEAD dream. Israel needs to ABSORB all Palestinians. Period. Full rights not only "under the law" but in REAL terms. It's true that the Palestinians were offered 3 times their own state. But, what no one mentioned is that Palestinians would have had a state with virtually NO sovereignty or autonomy...don't even talk about BASIC resources control. It would have been a state TOTALLY controlled by Israel, let's be honest.
Israel needs to deal with the Arabs th way Muhammad dealt withi the Jews of Arabia. They have to be beheaded and kicked out period,
@@JBGodzilla That is not true! It happened on one occasion when a certain Jewish tribe atacked Mohammed and his people! All the Jewish tribes got together with Mohammad and he asked them what the punishment ought to be!
@@goldmaple4360 Hate much?
@@lenitaa7938 The first big Muslim lie! Muhammad needed money to unite the Arab tribes behind him. Originally when he came to the town of Yathrib, possibly founded by Jewish immigrants, they welcomed him because he was a monotheist. He hoped he would have their support and money behind him. But they had no interest in his war with his own tribe of Quraysh in Mecca. And they did not like his claim of being a prophet like in the Bible. Later he used an excuse to rob and eventually behead hundreds of them. And finally all Jews were robbed of their lands and wealth and ethnically cleansed out.
will there be a solution during my lifetime? ..... I have more hope in a cure for cancer mate....
there is a cure for cancer. marijuanna oils.
I definitely would like to think so
A thief who takes your home and has all the guns he needs will not give it up to the homeowner who is demanding his home by being peaceful or by using a slingshot.
Omar Ali Your example is so sad uet so true 😢
Arab lies. The Arabs stole the homes of a million Jews in Iraq, Morocco, Egypt, libya, Syria and all Musim lands. Nobody cares about what happened to the Jews of the Middle East.
How anything can be resolved if they listen to the international community. The international bodies of the world must bring justice.
I just like the pizza 🍕 analogy. 😂
I think of Pizza Gate
A very good anology
Me too 👍
Paul sounds like a Politician :P Never a yes or no answer.
In 1943 a poster have these words ”Freedom, Justice, and Bread for Our Nation”. Before that "Hate and Destruction for Our Enemies”.
”This war is about more than our daily bread, our living space, and our peace. More than ever before we have to defend our most valuable possessions, the things that make life worth living, without which human life is meaningless...”, H.Goebbels said in 1943.
Between 1921 and 1925 Adolf Hitler developed the belief that Germany required Lebensraum ('living space') in order to survive. Only 40 years later, Jews say that Israel need vital space for security reasons. Expansive form of Zionism is like “Lebensraum” , the vital space doctrine of nazism. If we change the particular words ”germans” and ”East” with ”Jews” and ”The ancestral land”, or with ”jews safe homeland” we have the similar doctrine. This is a sad irony.
One flaw in your theory: Israel returned land twice as big as itself to Egypt.
By the way. The distance between Tel Aviv and the west bank is shorter than the distance between London and Heathrow...Libesraum? Give me a break...
@@davidnavon5250 Nakba
Horea Hudrea if jews are so commited to lebensraum then why stop at west bank? Ancient israelite kingdom extended into syria , jordan and saudi arabia from nile to euphrates. You mentioned nakba where palestinians were told to move and sit by as arab forces went into war with israel promised that rivers of blood and pushing jews into the sea the opposite happened never fight a war you can't win.
come on people....in this day and age, there is only one reason this "problem" has not been settled....there is more profit in keeping the fighting going....
It’s refreshing to see so many people understanding what’s going on, and that there’s a large scale station that will organize and report these topics along with the ugly truth connected to them. Down with Zionism
Zionism is the beliefe that Jews should have their own country in Israel. Is it such a bad thing?
Zionism was that belief until israel got formed, what zionism is today equals apartheid, racism and human rights violations.
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
He keeps negotiating on a pizza and keeps eating 🤣🤣🤣
This man described Isreal in a simple way 🤣🤣🤣
They negotiating and he still taken more of their lands .
I wonder what happened to mehdi's energy in this debate, he seemed unusual
i think he is sad
He wasn't sure who to attack and with what.
i support jews opposing zionism - coopting western politicians, ruling the finances, apartheid.
How I wish all Israelis will be like him.
That’s the current situation exactly. There is no two state solution option. That’s been out the window a long time ago. What we are seeing now is apartheid. I’m new to this subject but being from the us I was blindly pro Israel. Now there are many in the US viewing that struggle for themselves and now know Israel has crimes to answer to.
He seemed like a sensible guy. I guess we will wait to see what happens with the touted, deal of the century. Who knows?
Great video. Very interesting to hear the differing opinions.
Yikes! I thought the to of the former IDF lieutenant's head was going to blow clear off his head from the very first word he spoke! If that was controlled aggression, I'd hate to see his uncontrolled aggression, from his demeanor I'd guess it was spent probably kicking elderly Palestinian women in the back.
thank yu FM for been honest (as much :)).
Ingathering of [Jewish] exiles? Problem is there was no Jewish exile. As Cassius Dio noted 1800 years ago there are no Judeans they are all converts.
Truth. And 70% in israel have EUROPEAN DNA. Only 3% have DNA from the middle east.
Shlomo acknowledged some of the improprieties.. he also mentioned three times palestinians rejected the 2 state deal.. Progress starts with acknowledging mistakes and like Saeb Ekran said in interview with Mahdi, we have to learn from our mistakes moving forward. It is the only way to resolve conflicts. we all need eachother. Love is all.
Saeb Arekat pretends to be a reasonable moderate but has supported every Hamas terrorist attack. Maybe he's not entirely sincere?
Why were they rejected? Because Israel demanded the Palestinians give up a right that is the very foundation of Israel. The right of return.
Thank you for offering me my own land.
Yours based on what?
@@bubaq3713 based on the fact that Palestinians have been there for thousands of years kid
@@singhatar0912 ah i tought he was talking about zionists i agree im strong protagonist of the Palestinian independence .... God bless you
@@singhatar0912 jews have been there for thousands of years. Jews are indigenous to ancient JUDEA (called like that for a reason), modern day Israel. Palestinians are Arabs. Arabs come from the Arabian peninsula
@@megaplasma1942 That’s not true. The only thing you get right is that it’s true that you get some Jewish dna in Palestinian populations, but this is certainly not the majority of it. Either way, they are related to Jews genetically, just like any other Arab population. And some consider Jews their cousins.
Gentetic studies on Jews: “For populations of the Jewish diaspora, the genetic composition of Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi Jewish populations show significant amounts of shared Middle Eastern ancestry.[1][2][3] According to Behar and colleagues (2010), this is "consistent with a historical formulation of the Jewish people as descending from ancient Hebrew and Israelites of the Levant" and "the dispersion of the people of ancient Israel throughout the Old World".[4][5]”
Ashkenazi Jews are the light-skinned Jews you are referring to. You may be confused for their light skin and consider them european, but this is not an exclusively European trait (Asians, for example, are not caucasians, and yet have light-skin) and genetic studies confirm that they are much more related to other Jewish populations and even Arabs than to Europeans.
The morality is not allowed when we talk about palestiniens. But when it's the Jews and talk about Holocaust it's all about morality to justify the sioniste agenda and state
WTF the Jewish people in Poland in the Ghettos at the Holocaust would have dreamed to live like the Palestinians what the fck are you comparing here? Freakin Antisemite
Israel does more for the Palestinians then Hamas and the rest of the PLO.
Palestinians were NEVER given an acceptable offer.
So the Peel commission, the 181 solution, the camp david offer and the 2008 offers aren't acceptable?
@@glitch3809 nope.
@@mohamedyusuf5141 The peel commission gave the arabs 70% of the mandate, including Jordan, not acceptable?
All offer are given by America. Which are allows pro - israeli
@@glitch3809 why must the give up what's rightfully theirs?
I love Mehdi s report's, you ve never seen more inconvenient people to answer him ❤❤❤
😳”Settling the Land” or STEALING THE LAND from its actual owners😳
The land was stolen from the Jews by the Romans 600 years before Mohammed was born
Thanks for posting
Mr. Avi Shlaim is very intellectual person 👍👍
4 minutes 48 seconds mark. Fun fact : There is actually such a thing as hot ice - its believed to make up the interior of a number of exoplanets and forms under extremely high pressures.
There is a gross overbearing prominence of the Ashkenazim experience in Christian Europe over all other Jewish ethnic groups. They speak as if only European jewry matters
This is just the best
Why not making a free city of Jerusalem governed by the four Faith's that claim sovereignty to share general freedom of faith and practice, and maybe power. And stop expanding your borders. And in practice treat Palestinians like humans with a two state solution.
Because this was offered 5 times and every time Palestinians refused
When Jordan ruled East Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967 they destroyed 24 synagogues and didn't allow Jews access to the Western Wall
not 1 of my Australian Dollars is spent on ANY Israeli product………NOT ONE
Do you have a phone and a navigation device, if so, you are contributing to Israel’s economy :)
A great session
Hmmmm...I agree with the last statement,the last thing will be a unilateral withdrawal period!
this is the most blatantly unbiased debate in the world
Asking any zionist for Palestinian rights and justice is like asking the thief to return his theft and apologize without a just court to rule.
You think Jews stole Palestinian land? If so, please answer to me why Palestinians decleared a war on Israel the day it was established?
@@thealligator918 Because Israel started the ethnic cleansing 'al-nakba' the very same day the british left.
well some Jews recognise that arabs see them as theives, and that those arabs want israel and jews eliminated, and they act pre-emptively to avoid that outcome.
Diana Buttu nails it at 28:04
Canaanites have simply returned back to their ancestral homeland, but instead of declaring that reality they’ve managed to incrementally throughout history after their last empire of Khazaria and prior to that their emigration from Carthage and Phoenicia proper, to systematically perform the biggest identity theft in history by declaring themselves under the identity of the Judahites of whom they were converted into learning their Laws, Judicial order, and social make up. They would later title themselves *_“Iews, ieus, Jews”_* in commemoration to the Black Judean who helped them in their conversion from their perverted practices to the Hebraic Black Judean culture.
Is it possible that you are an ignorant bigot who doesn't know what he is talking about?
The pizza example makes so much sense 29:50
qazi zaahirah moor
Well said Mehedi Hasan .. May Allah bless you
what an accursed people u must be,to take the only jewish nation away from the people of abraham,to twist history to eradicate israel,yahweh is watching u sir
Zionism means striving for a Jewish state. What that state should look like is another question. Theoretically it could be a dictatorship. What you are really trying to ask is: does Zionism strive for an exclusively Jewish state, or can there be non-Jewish minorities in a Jewish country? And if so, should they have the same rights as Jews?
Israel does not allow Palestine's in their Hospitals even on Palestine land...Zionism is Fascism
Zionism is more than that. It's based on the belief that the jewish RACE is superior to all others . They are more racial supremacists than the nazis or the KKK in the US. I've studied under 3 rabbis. It was an eye opener.
7 years ago.....is this guy in jail????
GREAT JOB MEHDI.🦋
Bravo Mehdi
ALL THE MIDDLE EAST IS BLEEDING WITH DEMOCRACY....WHAT A JOKE!!
My friend were there's oil Gold Lithium Opium Nikel Copper Gas uranium etc etc etc there will be blood shed ask the indigenous American Indians and Africans who are rich in Diamond and Gold yet are not allowed water it's a form of ethinic cleansing legalised by western governments today they hide behind there proxy armies majority unwanted fire arms and medicine's are sold to Africa to keep the nation dumb and on it's knees
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Now ! There's Only Now. Love you all E.
Good questions
I'm still trying to figure out what the difference is between Pan-Arab Nationalism and Zionism. Not only that, but the Arabs (as well as the Persians and Turks) are doing the same thing to the Kurds and nobody seems to be bothered by that at all. Go figure.
Muslim hypocriticsy at its best
Short answer: no
Long answer: _NOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOOooooooＯＯＯＯＯＯＯＯｏｏｏｏｏｏθθθθθθθθθθθooooooooooo_ ... no.
Just bought the book of Avi.
Most countries allow repatriation a few generations. How isnt that very similar to what israel is doing ? People who have german spanish or italian grandparents can move back while the same countries stop immigration from Africa. I guess we have no country being 100 % democratic. The interviewer take US as an example but take a European country instead and we see the similar ideas. I like what they say- equalityby law but lots of inequality in real life that has to be improved.
Most Arab countries don't allow Jews to visit let alone be repatriated!
indeed now we need next show on is sharia law compatible with democracy?
a indian guy talking about democracy hahahah. joke
@אתה כלב Schlomo Shillman Shekelstein but they are. All of them that the zionist havend coupt out of power
Yes it is. If the majority of people vote for shariah law, that's pure democracy. And in Iran, Lebanon, jordon, egypt and Syria women vote too.
Arab countries expelled Jews because they saw Palestinian Arabs being persecuted and expelled from the region. Jews have always lived in Arab states and kingdoms with relative justice and peace. and contributed much to the development of these countries. it was england and the discriminatory policies of European and American nations that contributed to the massive flight of Jews from various parts of the world. mainly after the Second World War.
Exactly. Jews were granted exclusive rights to write their own religious laws for their communities in what was known as "dhimmis"
@@Hayanomie Dhimmi was not so generous as you described it. Basically, it subjected the Jews into 3rd class citizens. You should read about the Dhimmi rules. Although it is true that because Jews were monotheistic people they weren't forced to convert or to mass genocide. Thank you for not genociding us, I guess.
@@ranvorms2242 ideally it's meant to be a privilege and a benefit, not a form of subjugation or second class citizenship. Dhimmi literally means "protected class"
@@Hayanomie True, the monotheistic religions under Islam were protected - in comparison with non-monotheists who were forced to choose between death and conversion. But that does not mean it helped the Jews. They were treated in a very disgraceful way that even the evil dictators of the 20th century would not have imagined. I mean, they were allowed to be Jews, but the question is how they were allowed to be Jews. Neither I nor you would want to live under the rules of the dimma in any way.
@@ranvorms2242 dhimma exists but it's called being a minority in a capitalist country and biggest difference is most poor people serve in the military to get some form of income and education whereas dhimmis didn't serve
Mehdi completely misinterprets the definition of Zionism - even worse, when he talks about Zionism, he never seems to have have a fixed idea of what it really is. One moment, it's about the (re-)establishment of Israel in 1948; then, its about supporting the Israeli government's policies; then, its about dispossessing/discriminating/ethnically cleansing/enforcing apartheid against Palestinians in order to keep a Jewish majority.
Context are many .
If Zionism in Israel is now in the same social status as segregation is in the USA, then Zionism, the defeat of which, could be compatible to democracy.
woodensurfer Zionism is not segregation! It’s the right for the Jews to have a state! We have been disenfranchised for 2 MILLENNIA and frankly, it’s the least you could do.
@@joshmellott8013 You don't have the right to displace people because of your antiquated beliefs buddy
@@joshmellott8013 Do the Hawaiians and blacks have the same right to have their state?
The nazism mutated into zionism
I think they're the same .
How possible could te apartheid state of south africa be called democracy?
I really don't think Ben Ami made any argument as to how you can reconcile a very exclusivist project like Zionism with liberalism
Is Islamism compatible with west European democracy ?
Is it acceptable that Muslim immigrants to the US and western Europe try to force Sharia law instead of the state law ?
Democracy means that the majority sets up the roles while protecting the rights of the minority.
Democracy does not have to give the minority the right to force the minority roles.
No such thing as uslamism! Its a word made up in jewish thinktanks and dpread thrue jewish media.
@@mustimon Then why do people like Hamas use 'Islamists' to describe themselves? It is bad enough that you are a liar. But being both stupid and a liar is unforgivable.
Shlomo Ben Ami says "The rapist and the victim must share the responsibility for the crime".
Stinking Jewihs leftists are your only hope. They thnk the stupidest thoughts just like Arabs only stupider.
JBGodzilla Sure, Arabs think stupid thoughts but you are worse than them.
That's almost impossible.
JBGodzilla What can I say, you're amazing to have achieved the almost impossible.
There's a good way to promote rape: hold the victim just as responsible as the rapist.
If Theodore Herzi has founded his theory of the state of Israel from the original Torah of Prophet Moses, which is to live and let live like the muslim arabs did with the Jews in the middle ages by welcoming them and providing safety from the persecutions of the Crusades, then surely Israel could live peacefully live with their Arab cousins today. But they rebelled against their own Prophets and chose transgression. There is no term ZIONISM in the Torah nor anything to suggest this agenda.
and yes everyone knows the difference between judaism and zionism one is more socialistic and the other is more capitalistic thus the constant wrangling
I do think Zionism can be democratic only if the Jewish culture is not designed to be preserved and is designed to diluted by assimilation, by policy and declaration. Such is not the case however.
That is to say, the definition of Zionism must be that of a mere historically event, not a current ideal.
Why should the Jewish people build their own state and diluted and assimilate their unique culture after so many years in the diaspora? I guess you don't ask other people to do it.
@@ranvorms2242 Most stateless people eventually assimilate. Why not the Jews? Woody Allen, his self-amusing Jewish jokes, Dianne Keaton, Mia Farah, and his Asian wife, should be the beacon to satisfying the Jewish problem. That is, the proverbial long-longed blondes' attack on the Jewish identity.
If every stateless defeated people on earth were granted a homeland, the world would not exist as it is; the USA will have to disintegrate. The US Senate rejected the Akaka Bill of 2000 so that the Hawaiians will have to assimilate, and there was the coercive busing of children to dilute cultures. The same should have happened to the Jews.
Now Israel has become a fundamental and detrimental condition for the world.
@@woodensurfer Wow Wow wow.
I'm in total shock.
1. "Most stateless people eventually assimilate" - True, this is very sad. I deeply believe in the right of every ethnic group to create a framework in which they can exercise their sovereignty. Culture is completely expressed only controls itself. This is all the more true of civilizations, there is no civilization that does not have at least one state and the Jewish people deserve one to be in their homeland.
2. Oh, here I definitely agree with you. Woody Allen's jokes are great.
3. "should be the beacon to satisfy the Jewish problem" - I thank you very much for advising the Jewish people in this way. But unfortunately, Professor, unfortunately we are forced to reject your proposal. like WTF - and I apologize for being rude - in what right are you demanding from a people to give up its own state? For us, the Jews, our identity and our culture are much more than Woody Allen's jokes. I will dare to add that jokes haven't helped us so much throughout history
4. "If every stateless defeated people on earth were granted a homeland, the world would not exist as it is;" - In this case, the territorial integrity of the United States - or of any other country justifies it. If Palestine was a sovereign independent state in the 19th and 20th centuries then probably a Jewish state within this sovereign area was not such a good idea. But that is not what it was, Erets Yisrael/Palestine was a remote area within the Ottoman Empire. Not exactly an independent state - a sovereign state who wants to break away from it. I'm sure we would both support the Akaka bill if it came up before the United States became sovereign or conquered Hawaii. Today, they are already in a sovereign state, and breaking away from it is impossible. This is also the reason why Catalonia will not become independent - at least not in the visible medium. But we should support their efforts for some form of autonomy.
5. "The same should have happened to the Jews." - Your advice to my people and its dignity is in place, but I do not want my people, my civilization, my culture to be "dilute". Sorry but I'm just not interested in that.
- I'm very, very happy to see in 2022 still people who hold imperialist views. I thought there were no more.
But I'm even happier that you and your attitudes will disappear - at worst - in another 50 years. And the Jewish people, culture, and state will continue to prosper.
-Hope you understood
-Have a nice day
Whereas democracy reins in Muslim states!
There is such a term as "fair trade". In view of this it would be logical to ask that Palestinian woman in red jacket: "If Israel allowed refugee Palestinians to come back to their homes, would all those Jews who had to flee their homes in neighbouring countries of Egypt, Jordan, Lybia, etc. be allowed to come back to their homes too? Would they be safe living there again? I think everybody in Arab world knows the answer. That's why they prefer to keep quiet about it, talking all the time only about one side of the deal.
Good point.
There is no law preventing Jews from returning to Arab lands. Jews were safe in Arab lands till Zionists started their project.
I wouldnt want those zionist monsters back after the horrors they inflicted on helpless palestinians.
Shouldn’t you direct that question to Libyans & Egyptians? Why should Palestinians answer for them?
@@Mimi-nr6jx Because Palestinians are the ones who maintain the "discussion" primarily, that's why. Besides, you know perfectly well why Lybians and Egyptians and most of the Arab world embarked on that campaign of persecuting and evicting Jews from places where they dwelt for centuries. Don't pose as naive here.
Title is malformed. Democracy has nothing to do with the formation of a state.
There is ONLY ONE! Solution to the seemingly obvious strong arm confiscation of new lands of which the definition of new is identical to the word beauty, and likewise is limited unto the beholder only. In other words the root cause and surefire solution of these international crimes can only be attributed to ones that committed them in all fairness. Realestate can be compared unmistakenly without argument to a male seeking to find and marry a virgin that he intends to make his wife, in the present day and the most recent past, which is practically impossible because of the availability of this property before fate brought the two together, where the out come or results, in the case of realestate; and in order for the outcome to have a happy peaceful future, the founder has to accept the fact that it is either a currently occupied, previosly occupied, or a pristine never before touched piece of property regardless of the invading party's search for "new" land that they may have thought to have been discoverd along with the self gratification of being the first to receive the benefits of it's virginity much like a male who desires an un-touched virgin for marriage only for her to reveal that had been settled before but not at the moment and the only other scenario would be the ring she currently wearing sybolizing that she is not available and is either happily married or miserable with her partner in marriage and that to pursue her any further would be morally wrong and frowned upon by others, but again as in realestate it falls under the definition of "stolen property" or illegal occupation at which point comes the only solution that will be the right and only solution to peace and that's to simply return it to the rightful occupants who more than likely and we're rightfully the first owners founders or purchasers of the property, but in the case with Isreal's situation they are committing an identical form or version of "adultry" or even "coveting thy neighbor's wife" with out the husband's consent, so for a solution to be found is squarely on the hands of isreal, as the guy who feels that Mrs. Jerusalem offering him a glass of ice water while he is mowing the lawn is an invitation and an excuse for his sexual advancements toward her with total disregard for Mr Palestine who is seeing his wife getting practically raped right in front of him while threatening to kill him if he attempts to stop the raping of his wife. If it's already accupied move on and find your own woman/land, because if the shoe was on the other foot and your wife/ land was being assaulted/ raped then understanding the response from Palestinians would make all the sense in the world. Bottom line, why expect peace to come from Palestine while continuously molesting their property?? and keeping them defenseless unless they are following the American blueprint for peace by eliminating their numbers then forcing what's left into designated areas with not even the slightest bit of admitting any wrong doing. Birds of the same feather really do flock together.
Zionism holds the same basic racist views as Nazism, and have been more successful since the US also holds those views.
Not quite. Nazi's based their ideology on the idea of genetic superiority of a people, while Jews base their ideology on the idea of religious superiority of a people.
Did you know that people who say what you just said are universally regarded as racist morons?
@@0rganopleno actually upure wrong. I've studied under 3 rabbis and jews consider Jewishness to be a RACIAL thing. You are born a jew by a jewish mother. You can be an instant ke or a secular jew or an atheist jew, but you're still a jew. And the real ironic thing is that istael, because bring s jew is a racial thing, is THE most DNA tested nation. And DNA shows 70% of the Israeli jews are Europeans, not middle east, so NONE of their ancestors EVER lived in the middle east anywhere! The only time Jews were evrr discriminated against was by the Christians in europe in the middle ages and by the nazis in ww2 . They act like everywhere they go they've always been persecuted by the world. Its simply not true.
Religion should have no part in politics follow the Scandinavian way happiest and best living conditions in world pay your tax vote don't break law and be happy
Mate, You can't just put one model as a supreme because it simply will not work elsewhere where there is much diversification of ethnicity, language and so on!
Scandinavia has ridicoulous amounts of different languages, cultures and so on compared to population. Religion has no place outside history books.
Al Jazeera talking about democracy sounds awkward, considering where it is getting its funding.
Talking about democracy, Except Indonesia there is no stable democratic Muslim country.
what democratic they talking about Israel is theocracy and ethnography period
In Israel an Arab judge sent a former president to prison. That's democracy. When was the last election in the Palestinian Territories?
Nazism IS Zionism! You are NO BETTER than Hitler! Isn’t that Ironic?!
Aren't you stupid?!
Totally agree. Its amazing more people dont see that. What's more amazing is that the European refugee Jews came directly to palestine and did the EXACT same thing the nazis did to them! And after crying tp the world to save them!
2000 years ago, they destroyed Israelite state and chased away the Jews. Then mysteriously, The Return of The Jews happened. Well, the Biblical Verses explain that.
The biblical verses also explain why God divorced Israel and cursed their statehood.
I like this Dr a lot...
No, Israelis or at least the Zionists cannot be Democratic,
Is Islam compatible with democracy??
Nope
I think not.
Ask Hamas.
Where is the follow up? Is Islam compatible with secular western democracy?
+Emu If your question was is isis compatible with democracy the answer would be no since that's that Islamic equivalent. Islam and most religions are compatible with most places.
Look for Abdullah al andalusi on that subject, you find it insightful.. did you even look it up bruh?
+Emu democracy equals mob rules..regardless to that, their is no such thing..
the Oligarch controlled puppets do as they please. NEVER appeasing to what the people want
+Emu No because Mehdi like raping 9 year olds too much for that
James Dunn Moron.
16:01 he is right the 1948 happened the state has been made I belive they have a right 2 have a Jewish state move on from there I agree no one wants 2 take anything from u we just want to stop the killing of kids both sides deserve freedom
I wish the Jewish liberal didn’t slur his speech. Define Liberal. Aristotle said, Liberals like to spend money to help others as opposed to cold hearted and tight fisted.
As for Nazis taking over Poland they may have been liberal Nazis. And alleging that another’s wrongdoing makes his wrongdoing right is preposterous. Calling the Jewish state an anomaly (A deviation of what is normal, standard or expected) seems correct.
Hopefully a natural disaster affects the whole region, making it uninhabitable for everybody.
Should have colonized Madagascar
james murphy too late for that now.
Then the movie 'Madagascar' would be 'Palestine'
But madagascar is not their native homeland. Erets Yisrael\Palestine is.
Another Paddy who still has segregation in his own country interfering in a conflict that has nothing to do with them, put your own house in order.
A UNITED STATE OF ISRAEL WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE THE PALESTINIANS ON EQUAL NUMBERS 50:50 IN ORDER TO ENSURE PEACE AND HARMONY WITH EQUAL PARTICIPATION AND EQUAL RIGHTS.
His name is SHLOMO? ahahaha