I guess I can say this here, so I originally started playing on Wii VC, but when i went to college I was lazy and only brought my N64 so i switched (I also ran dk64 at the time, so one console was easier to move). As I was playing for a couple weeks on n64 I noticed I was holding R when mashing text and told myself to stop since it did nothing (other than shield sometimes when the textbox ran out). Obviously I did not stop and this whole thing happened because I switched from Gamecube controller to N64 controller and was trying to hold it like gamecube, as well as me being lazy
Kind of amazing that I never had this happen to me by accident as a kid. I used to hold the N64 controller like a freak since I didn't know any better - right hand on the middle handle (controlling stick/Z), with my left palm sitting on the back of the controller pak slot (pushing the cord down against it), and my left thumb hitting the A/B/C buttons. As a result my left middle finger would often rest on R resulting in a fair bit of accidentally shielding, lol.
I would love for a more technical explanation as to why holding r has any impact on things. Also, this is my first time finding out that there is a frog item in ocarina of time.
R is the button to hold your shield. Maybe pulling out your shield takes priority over getting the item for the single start up frame in the same way the hookshot takes priority?
At first I didn't understand the comment because on phone UA-cam is supposed to show time coded comments at the relevant time and I wasn't seeing what you meant. But then he lifted his controller and I started laughing hysterically because I genuinely thought it was a frog for a second XD
I've played this game and beaten it 100% so many times, but it has been over 10 years since I last did. I had completely forgotten about this hilarious frog quest item!
Mushroom timer CS skip crashing in Deku played an important role in the discovery of Ganondoor for me, since remembering a prior conversation about that is what made me realize you could likely wrong warp through other means than had currently been discovered. The day after discovering Ganondoor I went into #zelda and brought up some of my other ideas, which lead to confirming the credits warp with frog timer, and also, maxx mentioned that duping over the trade item would cause the timer to reload your current room, adding a couple more new WWs to the pile.
This is one of the most beloved (and therefore most played and most picked apart) games of all time, so there's definitely some tricks that you see and wonder how it took so long to be discovered. The "hold R for frog" is definitely one of them. Later examples include equip swap and lunge storage; tricks that are available on all versions and very easy to pull off, but weren't discovered for 20 years or more. There are also an almost uncountable number of crazy glitches you wonder how anyone ever managed to figure out.
Not at all, it is a genuine bug. Many cases in this game where delaying item collection by 1 or more frames can cause NPCs to give a different item which they would give in different contexts. Has to do with how individual NPCs item giving routines are programmed, since all of them are kinda unique
i “love” modern youtube. the baseless conspiracy theory gets 134 likes and the actual information gets 5. as for me it’s strange seeing this reported as ancient history, i still remember this all going down in irc that day like it was a couple years ago.
@@somewhere-else More like conspiracy theory, it's just a first impression for a time I quite literally forgot to remove a debug feature and had to release a patch that did so
@@DarkonFullPowerYeah: as young Link you catch the big fish in the pond, but before you turn it in: swim into the deep part of the pond, and hold Z+R and keep holding them as you swim to shore and turn in your fish. Instead of a piece of heart, young Link gets the golden scale (and thus can immediately sequence break and swim into Zora's domain etc. early). I think it makes getting the heart piece impossible though, as adult Link's fishing reward will also be the golden scale (again). This glitch came to mind when I saw this video but now I wonder if the Z+R trick as adult Link will invert it and give the heart piece again... since in this video you can invert the prescription item to get the blue tunic.
100% only requires all item slots to be filled, and since trade items use the same slot it doesn't matter if you skipped earlier ones As long as you get to the final item that takes up that slot in your menu it counts! :]
@@SomebodysCrackers 100% is "quest end stage reached and completed" not every single step of it. Its the same reason why warping to the end credits counts as a game clear
Huh, so if I understand this, interrupting/delaying the animation where you receive an item from an NPC allows them to advance to their next state before the 'you get the item from this person' triggers, which under some circumstances causes an item from a later quest to be spawned instead? Clever!
Wait, maybe I accidentally did this glitch too, cuz I got the Biggoron Sword and remembered that I didn't go everywhere to get it. Or maybe my memory just sucks.
Is this the awkward moment where I point out that we figured this out hold R in the late '90s? (I think we figured it out accidentally but I do remember seeing it on one of the stacks of mysterious printed sheets of game FAQ or whatever forum that everybody had) but we didn't really do anything with it other than screw around, you can do the same thing with the fisherman he'll give you the gold scale when you first get a record fish
Something similar can be performed in the fishing hole as a child to obtain the gold scale instead of the heart piece, but I forget exactly how it works.
At this point the whole game has been decompiled to pc so literally anything like thid could be found by searching the actual code, so probably nothing
R is shield right? I play in Ship of Harkinian with a custom layout adapted to a modern controller, I don't have all the original controls memorized (this game is unplayable without freecam).
Great video as usual, but Jesus Christ, Factor being on this big advertisement spree is starting to tick me off. It's the new Raid Shadow Legends. I can't freaking hear it anymore.
As someone who only watches speedruns, I'm still not sure how I feel about Credits Warp speedruns, but I don't have a good explanation as to why I feel that way. You can see people warping TO the final boss all the time, so why do I get questioning when they warp PAST it? Dunno. But this is what different categories are for, I suppose.
Just guessing here, but maybe it's because we often think of "beating the game" and "beating the final boss/level" as being one and the same. For routes with massive sequence breaks like a wrong warp (or even intentional skips like in Mario games), one still has to beat the final boss, so it still technically meets the requirements of "beating the game." A credits warp, however, removes the final boss from the equation, so it can seem less like "beat the game any%" and more like "trigger this specific cutscene any%." YMMV.
@@KevinKolpack yeah that probably has a lot to do with it. And look at how many other types of "trigger this specific cutscene any%" categories we have for speedrunning various games (meme joke categories or otherwise). Not every category "beats the game". "Beating the game" is arguably not even the point of a speedrun, even in non-CW / non-meme categories. What IS the point? Our feelings? Community consensus based on our collective feelings? I don't have an answer. Yeah, YMMV.
Hahahaha. "All you needed to do was have ADHD & not be able to not touch those buttons" Wow that's crazy that never happened too me as a kid, or did it, god I honsetly can't hardly remember most of the years I played the game. I could not stop myself fucking with the buttons though, shoulder buttons in particular because they are benign while waiting on cutscenes. That bloody Zorra shuffle was PaIn too me, every time. Some of the shit I used to say to him, oh man, wish I'd recorded all those times now. Wonder how many kids had this happen in the 90's, & never took it any further or it was just too much to go back & try over & over not remembering what they were doing at the time?
As an outsider: How long did it take to solve this? lol, I thought this video was all about how this was done and it was a multi year approach. But nope, same day. xD haha
this wasn't discovered until 2012? bro this happened to me in like 2008 but I wasn't allowed on the internet and never heard of speedrunning before. I also couldn't replicate it at all
@@LunaticJ that’s great to hear man! Don’t get me wrong I love Zelda but Zelda speedruns to me aren’t the best wheres the adventure you know? I would love to see more 3D platformers represented on your channel! (Mario, Banjo, the Tak and the Power of Juju trilogy especially Tak 3 on GameCube that game the whole concept is speed running, Crash Bandicoot, Pac-Man World, etc). those would make great video topics! :)
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5:41 the text says "fasterset"
not launtic50 like in the video? ;)
I guess I can say this here, so I originally started playing on Wii VC, but when i went to college I was lazy and only brought my N64 so i switched (I also ran dk64 at the time, so one console was easier to move). As I was playing for a couple weeks on n64 I noticed I was holding R when mashing text and told myself to stop since it did nothing (other than shield sometimes when the textbox ran out). Obviously I did not stop and this whole thing happened because I switched from Gamecube controller to N64 controller and was trying to hold it like gamecube, as well as me being lazy
best accident ever
@@rawr51919 I feel like that one sentence sums up majority of speedrunning.
Kind of amazing that I never had this happen to me by accident as a kid. I used to hold the N64 controller like a freak since I didn't know any better - right hand on the middle handle (controlling stick/Z), with my left palm sitting on the back of the controller pak slot (pushing the cord down against it), and my left thumb hitting the A/B/C buttons. As a result my left middle finger would often rest on R resulting in a fair bit of accidentally shielding, lol.
Lol haha, that's amazing :)
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I love when people in random videos are still lurking 12 years later lol
HOW are you doing today 😊@@LunaticJ
Hi
Me hi? Never heard of him
I would love for a more technical explanation as to why holding r has any impact on things.
Also, this is my first time finding out that there is a frog item in ocarina of time.
I'd love to know too
@@noskapit's most likely just a debug feature to test out the trade quest
R is the button to hold your shield. Maybe pulling out your shield takes priority over getting the item for the single start up frame in the same way the hookshot takes priority?
hold R lol
but what about hold L
@@alexisroux2448 hold R
@@alexisroux2448 That’s Banjo Tooie
@@LunaticJha! I get that reference
@@MementoMoriv2 What's the reference ? I wanna know.
3:20 low camera quality makes it look like he got the frog in real life! Just gotta hold R!
At first I didn't understand the comment because on phone UA-cam is supposed to show time coded comments at the relevant time and I wasn't seeing what you meant. But then he lifted his controller and I started laughing hysterically because I genuinely thought it was a frog for a second XD
The refresh rate on that microwave display though 👀
yea cool vid or whatever can we talk about how damn funny the menu sprite of the eyeball frog is. look at it. what a goofy green blob guy
It’s so funny, that you forget it’s dead
I've played this game and beaten it 100% so many times, but it has been over 10 years since I last did. I had completely forgotten about this hilarious frog quest item!
Best item in the game
Reddit comment L
@@LunaticJ :(
Mushroom timer CS skip crashing in Deku played an important role in the discovery of Ganondoor for me, since remembering a prior conversation about that is what made me realize you could likely wrong warp through other means than had currently been discovered. The day after discovering Ganondoor I went into #zelda and brought up some of my other ideas, which lead to confirming the credits warp with frog timer, and also, maxx mentioned that duping over the trade item would cause the timer to reload your current room, adding a couple more new WWs to the pile.
4:19 CLEAN YA GOTDAMN MICROWAVE
10:59 yeah imagine having a dragon as the final boss in a zelda game how cool would that be?
This is one of the most beloved (and therefore most played and most picked apart) games of all time, so there's definitely some tricks that you see and wonder how it took so long to be discovered. The "hold R for frog" is definitely one of them. Later examples include equip swap and lunge storage; tricks that are available on all versions and very easy to pull off, but weren't discovered for 20 years or more. There are also an almost uncountable number of crazy glitches you wonder how anyone ever managed to figure out.
This has "Debug Feature they forgot to remove until 1.2" written all over it
Not at all, it is a genuine bug. Many cases in this game where delaying item collection by 1 or more frames can cause NPCs to give a different item which they would give in different contexts. Has to do with how individual NPCs item giving routines are programmed, since all of them are kinda unique
@@Fig02 really interesting stuff actually
i “love” modern youtube. the baseless conspiracy theory gets 134 likes and the actual information gets 5. as for me it’s strange seeing this reported as ancient history, i still remember this all going down in irc that day like it was a couple years ago.
@@somewhere-else More like conspiracy theory, it's just a first impression for a time I quite literally forgot to remove a debug feature and had to release a patch that did so
@@somewhere-else relax dude its not that deep
Why does holding R cause this? Can it be used on other NPCs that give items?
My guess is that it was some sort of debug feature they forgot to remove until 1.2
Yeah, you can get the gold scale early as a kid by holding R
Get a record fish as child Link and talk to the fisherman while holding R for the gold scale
No you dont shoot for the moon, you shoot for the sun to get the fire arrows 🤣
Speedfrog and Holding R, a classic combo
LunaticJ: A Zelda game where the final boss is a dragon? That's pretty awesome, not gonna lie
Nintendo: Hold my sake
Oracle of Seasons has entered the chat.
speedrunning butterfly effect in progress
This is like how you can get the gold scale early as by holding Z+R in the fishing pond
HUH?!
@@DarkonFullPowerYeah: as young Link you catch the big fish in the pond, but before you turn it in: swim into the deep part of the pond, and hold Z+R and keep holding them as you swim to shore and turn in your fish. Instead of a piece of heart, young Link gets the golden scale (and thus can immediately sequence break and swim into Zora's domain etc. early).
I think it makes getting the heart piece impossible though, as adult Link's fishing reward will also be the golden scale (again).
This glitch came to mind when I saw this video but now I wonder if the Z+R trick as adult Link will invert it and give the heart piece again... since in this video you can invert the prescription item to get the blue tunic.
Always blows my mind how people find these glitches yet alone pull them off! OOT the goat ❤
I'm absolutely here for all of this niche speedrun content from you, Lunatic. Keep up the great work
I love stuff like this
Reminds me of Item sliding in Wind Waker HD
Its so cool how a single accidental discovery can change a game forever
Idk if anyone has said this yet, but in your sponsor section, the text on screen says "LUANTIC50" not "LUNATIC50"; just thought you'd want to know.
I think the all medallions run on the category extensions leaderboard still uses speedfrog as well
this sounds like a rumor you would hear on the playground. Want to complete the Big Goron sidequest early? Just hold R while talking to King Zora.
Does anyone know a technical explanation why holding r or delaying the item changes what item you get?
Here's a technical writeup from mzxrules pastebin.com/N288iBwK
how would skipping half the trade sequence count towards "100"%
serious question not trolling
100% only requires all item slots to be filled, and since trade items use the same slot it doesn't matter if you skipped earlier ones
As long as you get to the final item that takes up that slot in your menu it counts! :]
@@SomebodysCrackers 100% is "quest end stage reached and completed" not every single step of it. Its the same reason why warping to the end credits counts as a game clear
1:53 I think that's actually a No Eyeball Frog.
Huh, so if I understand this, interrupting/delaying the animation where you receive an item from an NPC allows them to advance to their next state before the 'you get the item from this person' triggers, which under some circumstances causes an item from a later quest to be spawned instead? Clever!
Wait, maybe I accidentally did this glitch too, cuz I got the Biggoron Sword and remembered that I didn't go everywhere to get it. Or maybe my memory just sucks.
Is this the awkward moment where I point out that we figured this out hold R in the late '90s? (I think we figured it out accidentally but I do remember seeing it on one of the stacks of mysterious printed sheets of game FAQ or whatever forum that everybody had) but we didn't really do anything with it other than screw around, you can do the same thing with the fisherman he'll give you the gold scale when you first get a record fish
Quick correction on 2:44 , that guy is not Runnerguy2489, RG has a beard.
Makes you wonder, though...
...where else can "Hold R" be used? How many places/people give you an important item that you can mess with?
Something similar can be performed in the fishing hole as a child to obtain the gold scale instead of the heart piece, but I forget exactly how it works.
At this point the whole game has been decompiled to pc so literally anything like thid could be found by searching the actual code, so probably nothing
Just hold r. Lol
Was Ganonless named that as a little joke referencing Mario 64's Canonless, or is it a coincidence ?
coincidence but it is pretty funny
The way it's just "hold R" makes me thing a developer left this in for quick testing
The title of this video made me laugh. As if we had any other type of glitch but accidental ones lmao
Oot and its speedrunning scene are wonderful experiences.
I just love love love speed runners!
They didnt call frog to credits Frog Warp?
Lame.
CLEAN YO MICROWAVE BRUH I LOVE YOUR VIDS STILL!!!!!!!!!!
Lmao i remember when i Played Ocarina the First time 20 years ago. I got this frog and i Always thought its the way IT should be
Bomberman Hero BGM. Nice.
I love this game so much
king zora is just doing his job
maweep maweep maweep
I don't speedrun, but I do own a Gold cart OoT. I wanna try that Frog skip!
I just need to figure what's wrong with my N64.
Lore of How an Accidental Glitch changed Ocarina of Time Speedruns Forever momentum 100
8:50 THUNDER CLOUD TEMPLE!
VERY fast frog moving at incredible hihg speeds
Linus tech tips prefers the hard r method over the hold r. Nice original joke there!
The Big Goron sword really should be the master sword. It's the master sword on steroids.
Yo I did not just watch mans cut green beans. I have seen it all.
God I miss this era of speedruning
R is shield right? I play in Ship of Harkinian with a custom layout adapted to a modern controller, I don't have all the original controls memorized (this game is unplayable without freecam).
Unless my eyes deceive me, Jarvitz has a Robert Morris University shirt on. That's really interesting given that's where I went to school.
you dont recognize the dorm room?
@@jarvitz I commuted, my lucky/poor ass has never seen the inside of a dorm room 😂
HOLD R LOL
You just... you just hold R?
Great video as usual, but Jesus Christ, Factor being on this big advertisement spree is starting to tick me off.
It's the new Raid Shadow Legends. I can't freaking hear it anymore.
Thats some impressive calculatus
What's the song playing from 7:27? It sounds familiar but I can't put my finger on it
Found it. Bomberman Hero - Redial
Hold R, get frogge.
I love that it's called a "trick" when it's barely anything to perform.
As someone who only watches speedruns, I'm still not sure how I feel about Credits Warp speedruns, but I don't have a good explanation as to why I feel that way. You can see people warping TO the final boss all the time, so why do I get questioning when they warp PAST it? Dunno. But this is what different categories are for, I suppose.
Just guessing here, but maybe it's because we often think of "beating the game" and "beating the final boss/level" as being one and the same. For routes with massive sequence breaks like a wrong warp (or even intentional skips like in Mario games), one still has to beat the final boss, so it still technically meets the requirements of "beating the game." A credits warp, however, removes the final boss from the equation, so it can seem less like "beat the game any%" and more like "trigger this specific cutscene any%." YMMV.
@@KevinKolpack yeah that probably has a lot to do with it.
And look at how many other types of "trigger this specific cutscene any%" categories we have for speedrunning various games (meme joke categories or otherwise). Not every category "beats the game". "Beating the game" is arguably not even the point of a speedrun, even in non-CW / non-meme categories. What IS the point? Our feelings? Community consensus based on our collective feelings? I don't have an answer. Yeah, YMMV.
Hey what's the name of the song you used when talking about wrong warping?
Oh hey, I own a physical 1.0 cartridge. Nice!
Does the original discovery still exist in video form? I want to hear the confusion.
Here ya go www.twitch.tv/videos/47659597
Love that you used the bomberman hero music for a video on an N64 game. I’m getting all of the nostalgia!
Shoot for the moon? MAJORA'S MASK MENTIONED!?
Dam, clicked this video before it’s even 5 minutes old!!
So this was found before the early gold scale? But why does that work without having the silver scale?
If holding R changed the item here, wouldn't it change other items characters give you?
Yay! Nice video!
How can i replicate that? Iam not a speedrunner, but want to try hold r to get the frog early 😊
Oh God, I remember this trick when I watched so many OoT speedruns back in the day. Such a good trip down memory lane
Factor cheaper than take out? doubt
Hahahaha.
"All you needed to do was have ADHD & not be able to not touch those buttons"
Wow that's crazy that never happened too me as a kid, or did it, god I honsetly can't hardly remember most of the years I played the game.
I could not stop myself fucking with the buttons though, shoulder buttons in particular because they are benign while waiting on cutscenes.
That bloody Zorra shuffle was PaIn too me, every time.
Some of the shit I used to say to him, oh man, wish I'd recorded all those times now.
Wonder how many kids had this happen in the 90's, & never took it any further or it was just too much to go back & try over & over not remembering what they were doing at the time?
3 min ago? LunaticJ video watch speedrun wr. I’m on the leaderboard
4:42 it says luantic50 on the video
As an outsider:
How long did it take to solve this? lol, I thought this video was all about how this was done and it was a multi year approach. But nope, same day. xD haha
Does anyone know the song name at 7:29?
yo where's that frog highlights dude
"Accidental Glitch", opposed to what, a Purposeful Glitch?
IT JUST WORKS :D
Are there intentional glitches
at first i thought you were talking about me
Who even are you?
what is the song used around 7:30?
bomberman (forgot the version name) redial
how i get blue chicken?
7:33 where this ost from i cant remember
Ost, hmm
bomberman (forgot the version name) redial
Frog in thumbnail, clicked
why would you mute out the key moment of the jarvitz video? ever heard of show, don't tell?
this wasn't discovered until 2012? bro this happened to me in like 2008 but I wasn't allowed on the internet and never heard of speedrunning before. I also couldn't replicate it at all
4:58 code spelled wrong
David Brandon Melissa Paul Connor
isn't that against the rules of a 100 percent run though?
Busy schedule??? What sat at a computer all day??
Looks like Pepe
I love Oot but man there’s other great speed games that would make great video breakdowns
Don’t worry! I have plans for several games/series I have yet to cover on the channel later this year!
@@LunaticJ that’s great to hear man! Don’t get me wrong I love Zelda but Zelda speedruns to me aren’t the best wheres the adventure you know? I would love to see more 3D platformers represented on your channel! (Mario, Banjo, the Tak and the Power of Juju trilogy especially Tak 3 on GameCube that game the whole concept is speed running, Crash Bandicoot, Pac-Man World, etc). those would make great video topics! :)
Its Frogge
Gg!
13:26 / 13:30