Everything you show us Tommy is Unreal I think all the NSW customers are happy to come see you as there aren't many genuine dealers that have customer trust down here. I haven't forgotten about ya My build has just been pushed back dues to renovations.
Those new heads …blown away!!! The intake design .. and the cooling .. bro 😎 Great work M8 (hahaha takes new meaning ever since Harley rolled those out in 2017 huh 😂)
Thanks again for sharing. Do you think the ecu played part in better performance? I agree with the customer feedback. I don't know what you do Tommy, but that initial roll on of throttle is way better than standard and my bike is just better all round. I would advise anyone with a Harley to see Tommy for a tune. You're a genius!
Hey Tommy, love watching your builds! I'm getting ready to do up my 2023 road glide st, thinking of going with a woods WM8-22XD cam along with a d&d billet cat exhaust. Have you installed and dyno tested one before? Thanks
Not much of a performance upgrade but the new gen runs cooler which will help with longevity. I still prefer my 23, last year of the “real” air cooled Harleys lol
I'd argue the cylinder head is a great performance upgrade. It has a redesigned & far better intake port, the combustion chamber is redesigned & provides better squish. Then there is the intake manifold. Shorter & better matched to the ports. This means the short turn radius is cleaner resulting in better air flow. Plus the removal of the traditional breather. Now running the new transmission top cover with oil separator.
❤ as usual phenomenal work and Engineering which we cannot let it go extinct...not loosing the future Generations of great talent to Fentynal,meth or tranx...just being honest. Thank you for sharing
There is very limited tuning with the 3nd gen bikes at this stage. Screamin Eagle offer tuning capabilities however it is very limited in adjustment & does not suit anything other than Screamin Eagle Cams. The Aftermarket ECU from Impact Wiring Solutions offers FULL control & adjustment
@@richpuller1348 it’s too bad they placed it in an inferior platform. That infotainment system and electrical system tied together is going to be an absolute nightmare 1-2 years from now for those that owned the first set of 24’s. There’s already been tens of thousands of recalls and bugs. Just gonna get worse. Having all your gauges and controls confined to digital screen, is a disaster waiting to happen
@@Gimps_Garage the recall was for the wiring harness. infotainment was fixed with updates. I have had a 24 for a few months as i bought after they worked out most of the bugs and havent had any issues. bikes been fun!
@@MasterTechMillersorry, know your VERY busy working and making great content but did you manage to give this any thought, would really value your honest opinion
@odetterollinson-davies4543 sorry mate, I didn't see your reply. If you want to go with the 2-2 look then go for either the Freedom Radical Radius, or their Sharp Curve Radius. They are both great options for Softails that provide an awesome torque curve with respectable top end HP. If you're after more top HP go for the D&D Lowcat, or the D&S Fatcat, whichever you prefer the look of. Keep in mind, if you're using the SE517 Cam from the Stage 4 Kit, I'd be more inclined to go with the Freedom 2-2 option. The SE517 doesn't provide enough top Hp to justify a nice 2-1
I have the same bike. 23 Roadglide-ST. I put a HPI intake manifold, Sawicki speed 2into1 stainless shorty, power vision tuner mapped from fuel moto.ultracool oil cooler and the bike is a beast without a aftermarket cam. He really needs to throw away that plastic manifold.
that youtuber "Marvelkid87" manged to get lower than usual figures on his CR483 117 Lowrider ST , do you think these mid length / short pipes dont really gel with the 483 Cam , the figures youve posted /Matt Smith /Cycle-rama and APE post that have the longer pipes seem to be 125HP + and 135 tq+. i do notice the Gen 1 117 runs really hot road glide is better than the Low rider st i had im in UK so Thai built bikes , do you know if the stock tune is different by region ? and when i say hot i mean the heat transfer through seat is so bad i had to stand on pegs to get airflow over seat (even worse with saddlemen gelcore fitted) this was on trip to dealer about 40 miles away air temp was about 18c Road glide ST 117 is better but think its due to distance rear cylinder is away from seat .whats the impact on performance of the Gen 2 runnning cooler would this mean its better in this respect too , thinking i should get the additional HD oil cool fan and the "ultracool " aftemarket fan and oilcooler set up to manage engine temps
marvels bike numbers are in SAE and these are in STD.. this needs to be factored into "lower" numbers. That said, the shorty exhausts suck with the M8.
@@marvelharris9540 tommy is at altitude 3000ft so numbers would be close to sae readings at sea level Alpha performance engines and Cycle-rama post figures for the 483 cam that were higher than marvels .people commented on his channel when he posted his that they were a bit low intake/tune exhaust maybe to blame certainly in the bottom end of results ive seen . i do keep a look out as ive got a CR 483 55/60mm inlet 6.2gps injectors 4.5 khromewerks ready to be installed in my road glide
I'm happy to take a photo of the SAE numbers of both graphs involved in this video. The difference will be small. What I should do in the future is post & film both SAE & STD correction factors to avoid this. Almost everyone is Australia uses STD correction factor, so when in Aus, all the compared builds are on the same scale. Almost everyone in the States uses SAE. I'll film & post both graphs in the future so there is fair comparison for both
When that infotainment systems start going out and people can’t ride their bikes, then the gen 1 is gonna be the better option. Harley is trying to eliminate small shops and garage mechanics by restricting the entire bike to an infotainment system and having to go to Harley dealers for any repairs that are resulting in an issue that’s tied in with the infotainment system; which is a big majority of the bike and electrical system. No thanks. I’ve seen more 24’s on trailers than I have on the road
We'll just have to wait & see what happens. Infotainment systems are very common these days & I feel like the software engineers & the technology is some what refined these days. Sure there are & have been some issues with just about ALL Infotainment systems in both Cars, Boats & bikes, it's just the nature of it.
@@simmon81au most of us void our warranties in the first few months lol. But let’s just say you keep it EPA compliant, erm I mean Harley compliant and you don’t void the warranty, I’d be worried the screen going out after warranty ends. Either way. I hope that’s not the case for all the people that bought one
no the ST's got the motor from older version117 CVO new gen fitted to 23.5 CVO and 24 touring models has water cooled heads i have 23 road glide st 117 engine its just oil/air cooled
I changed my SS 475 to the CR 483. I know it's not the same as the one you mentioned. However the CR483 performance down in the low to mid range behaviour is so much better. And the power curve feels longer. TLDR in short. It's an awesome Allround CAM why use something else Fyi mine is a 2020 114 road glide
The CR483 cam is a little better suited for more mid range power than the 480MT or the 480 for that matter. The CR485 is more of a top end HP cam & not as well suited to Touring bike as it's a little heavier than the Softail range where the 485 is used the most. The CR483 provides an awesome blend of low to mid range grunt with respectful top end HP. Perfect blend for a Touring model.
Everything you show us Tommy is Unreal I think all the NSW customers are happy to come see you as there aren't many genuine dealers that have customer trust down here. I haven't forgotten about ya My build has just been pushed back dues to renovations.
@swarm270 Thanks for the support mate! Much appreciated.
No stress here mate, when you're ready we'll make it happen 👍
Thanks for the video! Deep respect for your work and opinions!
Thanks for watching 👍
Great video Tommy, thanks for sharing. Ride safe, Cheers
Cheers mate. Thanks for watching 👍
Nailed it mate!
Cheers mate
Those new heads …blown away!!!
The intake design .. and the cooling .. bro 😎
Great work M8 (hahaha takes new meaning ever since Harley rolled those out in 2017 huh 😂)
I know, they really are incredible right! Can't wait to do more & more
Thanks again for sharing. Do you think the ecu played part in better performance? I agree with the customer feedback. I don't know what you do Tommy, but that initial roll on of throttle is way better than standard and my bike is just better all round. I would advise anyone with a Harley to see Tommy for a tune. You're a genius!
The intake is holding both bikes back, great comparison though!
Hey Tommy, love watching your builds! I'm getting ready to do up my 2023 road glide st, thinking of going with a woods WM8-22XD cam along with a d&d billet cat exhaust. Have you installed and dyno tested one before? Thanks
I've never done one of those cams before sorry.
Hopefully Luke gets home with all his points :)
😂🤣
Got home with license intact 🤣👍🏼
@lukebradney3065 bike sounds really good Luke! I bet you're happy with it
Yeh mate, I am very happy. The tune that tommy put in the bike is perfect. The man’s a genius!
BASSANI Road Rage is proving to be a real power pipe
@@302BAGGER sure is
Hi master tech Miller. Quick question what hot idle rpm to you set the 131SE. Stage 4 kit in a 2021 fat bob. Do you set it at 980 hot RPM. Or hier
Anywhere between 980 & 1050rpm usually. Just depends on how the engine responds to the IAC settings along with the pipe choice & Camshaft.
@MasterTechMiller what is the idle setting with the 131 stage 4. Kit. With the pro street tuner whats it set at on the calibration. Is it 980 rpm hot
Not much of a performance upgrade but the new gen runs cooler which will help with longevity. I still prefer my 23, last year of the “real” air cooled Harleys lol
I'd argue the cylinder head is a great performance upgrade. It has a redesigned & far better intake port, the combustion chamber is redesigned & provides better squish.
Then there is the intake manifold. Shorter & better matched to the ports. This means the short turn radius is cleaner resulting in better air flow.
Plus the removal of the traditional breather. Now running the new transmission top cover with oil separator.
❤ as usual phenomenal work and Engineering which we cannot let it go extinct...not loosing the future Generations of great talent to Fentynal,meth or tranx...just being honest.
Thank you for sharing
What do you think about putting a performance cam with the stock ECU?
In the Second Gen bikes?
There is very limited tuning with the 3nd gen bikes at this stage. Screamin Eagle offer tuning capabilities however it is very limited in adjustment & does not suit anything other than Screamin Eagle Cams.
The Aftermarket ECU from Impact Wiring Solutions offers FULL control & adjustment
Sounds nice
I have been waiting for this vid. The new 117CI is better than the previous 117CI.
@@richpuller1348 it’s too bad they placed it in an inferior platform. That infotainment system and electrical system tied together is going to be an absolute nightmare 1-2 years from now for those that owned the first set of 24’s. There’s already been tens of thousands of recalls and bugs. Just gonna get worse. Having all your gauges and controls confined to digital screen, is a disaster waiting to happen
@@Gimps_Garage the recall was for the wiring harness. infotainment was fixed with updates. I have had a 24 for a few months as i bought after they worked out most of the bugs and havent had any issues. bikes been fun!
What cam pipe combo would you recommend for a gen 1 with the 131 stage 4 kit on it?
Softail or Tourer?
@@MasterTechMiller softail - FLFBS, 2019 model year 👍
@@MasterTechMillersorry, know your VERY busy working and making great content but did you manage to give this any thought, would really value your honest opinion
@odetterollinson-davies4543 sorry mate, I didn't see your reply.
If you want to go with the 2-2 look then go for either the Freedom Radical Radius, or their Sharp Curve Radius. They are both great options for Softails that provide an awesome torque curve with respectable top end HP.
If you're after more top HP go for the D&D Lowcat, or the D&S Fatcat, whichever you prefer the look of.
Keep in mind, if you're using the SE517 Cam from the Stage 4 Kit, I'd be more inclined to go with the Freedom 2-2 option.
The SE517 doesn't provide enough top Hp to justify a nice 2-1
@@MasterTechMillersuperb thank you would rather go 2:1 as I have the Vance and Hines big radius planning to swap cam for a woods
So the new gen m8 made the 130hp ?? with the different ECU?
YES
I have the same bike. 23 Roadglide-ST. I put a HPI intake manifold, Sawicki speed 2into1 stainless shorty, power vision tuner mapped from fuel moto.ultracool oil cooler and the bike is a beast without a aftermarket cam. He really needs to throw away that plastic manifold.
@@Prometheus1979 need to get yourself a better cam :)
The new 117 doesn’t have the plastic manifold on the touring lineup only softails come with plastic intakes in 2024
Didn’t know that. That’s good to hear. They should have never went to that in the first place.
I plan on it down the road. I’m thinking a star 30/30 cam
Great choice in cam
They’re all producing huge numbers for a stage 2 setup
that youtuber "Marvelkid87" manged to get lower than usual figures on his CR483 117 Lowrider ST , do you think these mid length / short pipes dont really gel with the 483 Cam , the figures youve posted /Matt Smith /Cycle-rama and APE post that have the longer pipes seem to be 125HP + and 135 tq+.
i do notice the Gen 1 117 runs really hot road glide is better than the Low rider st i had im in UK so Thai built bikes , do you know if the stock tune is different by region ?
and when i say hot i mean the heat transfer through seat is so bad i had to stand on pegs to get airflow over seat (even worse with saddlemen gelcore fitted) this was on trip to dealer about 40 miles away air temp was about 18c Road glide ST 117 is better but think its due to distance rear cylinder is away from seat .whats the impact on performance of the Gen 2 runnning cooler would this mean its better in this respect too ,
thinking i should get the additional HD oil cool fan and the "ultracool " aftemarket fan and oilcooler set up to manage engine temps
marvels bike numbers are in SAE and these are in STD.. this needs to be factored into "lower" numbers. That said, the shorty exhausts suck with the M8.
@@marvelharris9540 tommy is at altitude 3000ft so numbers would be close to sae readings at sea level
Alpha performance engines and Cycle-rama post figures for the 483 cam that were higher than marvels .people commented on his channel when he posted his that they were a bit low intake/tune exhaust maybe to blame certainly in the bottom end of results ive seen .
i do keep a look out as ive got a CR 483 55/60mm inlet 6.2gps injectors 4.5 khromewerks ready to be installed in my road glide
I'm happy to take a photo of the SAE numbers of both graphs involved in this video.
The difference will be small. What I should do in the future is post & film both SAE & STD correction factors to avoid this.
Almost everyone is Australia uses STD correction factor, so when in Aus, all the compared builds are on the same scale.
Almost everyone in the States uses SAE.
I'll film & post both graphs in the future so there is fair comparison for both
Shorty pipes are horrible though that's for sure!
@@marvelharris9540 always have on Any HD...in my opinion....mite b allright for sporties tho🤷♀
When that infotainment systems start going out and people can’t ride their bikes, then the gen 1 is gonna be the better option. Harley is trying to eliminate small shops and garage mechanics by restricting the entire bike to an infotainment system and having to go to Harley dealers for any repairs that are resulting in an issue that’s tied in with the infotainment system; which is a big majority of the bike and electrical system. No thanks. I’ve seen more 24’s on trailers than I have on the road
Again has some faith in little or independent shops. They will eventually get around it like they have always done in the past
We'll just have to wait & see what happens. Infotainment systems are very common these days & I feel like the software engineers & the technology is some what refined these days.
Sure there are & have been some issues with just about ALL Infotainment systems in both Cars, Boats & bikes, it's just the nature of it.
If the screen fails you just get a new one under warranty
@@simmon81au most of us void our warranties in the first few months lol. But let’s just say you keep it EPA compliant, erm I mean Harley compliant and you don’t void the warranty, I’d be worried the screen going out after warranty ends. Either way. I hope that’s not the case for all the people that bought one
@@Gimps_Garage we don't have that warranty issue here in Australia.
I have a 22 RG ST.. I have the new gen m8???
no the ST's got the motor from older version117 CVO new gen fitted to 23.5 CVO and 24 touring models has water cooled heads
i have 23 road glide st 117 engine its just oil/air cooled
No mate, you have the last of the gen 1 engines.
You wouldn’t expect anything else and it never has been that a 2 generation engine is not as good or improved as a first generation
Oh wow I feel dumb, I thought it was the like 2017 m8 vs like a 2022 m8.
That's OK mate. I probably wasn't very clear in the video.
I see that you youse alot the CR483. How come not the CR480MT. It is a touring bike
I changed my SS 475 to the CR 483. I know it's not the same as the one you mentioned. However the CR483 performance down in the low to mid range behaviour is so much better. And the power curve feels longer.
TLDR in short. It's an awesome Allround CAM why use something else
Fyi mine is a 2020 114 road glide
@@TheCuttz1984 ok. Is the CR483. Similar to the boob woods WM822XE cam.
@@iginogasparini3369 I'm sorry I have not used that cam.
The CR483 cam is a little better suited for more mid range power than the 480MT or the 480 for that matter.
The CR485 is more of a top end HP cam & not as well suited to Touring bike as it's a little heavier than the Softail range where the 485 is used the most.
The CR483 provides an awesome blend of low to mid range grunt with respectful top end HP. Perfect blend for a Touring model.
@MasterTechMiller thank you. Tommy i guss I'm pulling out the 22XE. And installing CR483
It's a 120hp 130tq, most of the time.
Have you checked out the Alpha performance engines /Those dyno guys Fb pages plenty of examples with higher numbers than those
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Anything less than one Horsepower per cubic inch isn't high performance
@@georgegrout6995 exactly. A good build with a good tuner should easily be pulling 1.25-1.5HP per cube
1000cc is 60cu @@scooternut7198
Mine is down .. 102hp 103
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@@Gimps_Garage Exactly! My K1600 is 1.6HP per cube and was built by BMW.