Bro ! My predator 212 with stock cam , stock flywheel , ported head that I did , arc billet rod , 26 lb springs , champion rockers pz27 carb that I tuned went 61 mph ! Wait till I install a billet flywheel and mess with the timing . Making a video soon .
May want to address the bolt that holds the rocker retainer in place. Common problem on that Ducar head. The Tillotson setup is a better setup and an easy solution.
Thx! Again a super exciting video. How about doing a video with only head mods - changing valve angles, transitions, CR, maybe measure air velocity in the intake? Together with EC carbs maybe? Love the Sound of this machine 😊
At the beginning of the test ride you say that the cam and carb are changed and the head is ported while the rest is basically stock. Huh? Only stock stuff left, not including ancillary parts, are the block, lifters, and push rods.
Yeah I’ve seen him do this a couple of times in his videos. Not sure if it’s on purpose. Also he’ll have big plans for something and then just never do it. I’m still waiting on a 459 max build
Bore and Stroke were left 'Stock' size. The crank was just pre-ground in areas that catch.The rod was same length as 'stock' just a different dipper and cleared for crank bearings.Those are 'the rest'.
Been looking at small blocks for some you just make so much power and is really good to watch your videos thanks for explaining all about points to look out for know looking for a engine to work on thanks again for all your good work great guy 😊
The only way that would effect the numbers would be if it was skipping a tooth. The bottom side of the chain is the pull side. That's why the chain is like that on the top run.
Yes, never clearance any part of the block inside with the rod, crank, etc. Installed. Always remove everything and then grind. Just reiterating your having to reinstall the piston the same way as before. CLEANLINESS IS NEXT TO GODLINESS when building.
this will be interesting, the only real difference between this build and my own engine is the stroker kit, otherwise I have the same CM grind cam, same size carb, a well ported head with 26lb springs, and 0.021" between the flat top piston and head to get the compression as high as I could without machining the head (risky but worth it) and the PVL flywheel with 28 degrees timing. I would like to know what the lift is on the ghost cam though, just for stored knowledge that may never be usefully utilised.
I had a dodge neon i slapped a bigger cam, springs, ported and smoothed any rough spots on the intake and shined up the exhaust side, plus a light going over on the combustion chamber. That little thing would scream.
Calm, informative and honest! I have no interest in engines but will still subscribe as you are doing a great job with your channel! And mabye my interest awakens ;D. Keep up what you are doing! Greetings from Sweden!
I'd be intrigued to see a stock 212 with a stroker kit and properly tuned carb vs a max performance 224 since the 224 is basically a stroked 212 would be neat to see how ecs kit compares to a store bought in terms of performance.
NR Racing sells some 1.2 roller rockers that will work on that head. They call them Ducar 212 rockers but that’s a Ducar block and head. I wonder if they would cause valve to piston interference with the flat top piston? If not, I wonder if they’d give any power increase? I have a set in a Tilly 212 but it’s running a stock dished piston with the valve relief.
In this video it looks like you have a hose for quick oil drain can you explain how that was made and if it is just for oil drain after doing a dump or if this configuration can be used in a day to day build to make oil changes easier, faster, and cleaner?
I had a cushman eagle 9 hp & this engine u did is what looks to me the same as the exceleratuon maybe quicker than the cushman wirh a 50% size of ur bike .
Great gains but still waiting for you guys to dyno a engine with a loop in the exhaust pipe like the old briggs racing exhaust pipes to see it ot helps or hurts with built engines.
8:40 Do those pistons come with the rings already gapped properly? I have EC Carburetor’s flat top piston and their forged rod for my 224, but I haven’t begun to start that project yet.
Hey red beard I am running a ghost with hot 265 cam, 26lb springs, .010 head gasket, 24mm nibbi, billet rod and 10k rpm flywheel with #8 degree advanced timing key, would I be able to use a flattop piston with the stock head and valves or would it hit each other?
i need help..... installed a stage 2 kit on a pred 224 from nr racing, and now it will only run on starting fluid. been trouble shooting it on and off for 2 weeks cant figure it out. checked valve lash, coil gap, cam timing, made sure valves are closing completely, carb is getting gas
How would you compare this build to the Wildcat 223 you built? In particular, wondering how the Wildcat Vs Predator hemi head compares especially when porting.
The Wildcat made a little more power than the Ghost. You are starting with a stronger block with the wildcat and it comes with the crank and flat top piston stock. I think Wildcat all the way.
Those are some big gains. What does it cost sir. And is there better options. As in tillitson or any others. Seriously. What is the actual cost for this ghost.
Hey Red, what does the compression end up with the stroker kit? Love all the horsepower videos but for me pump gas is very important. I like to ride more than pay to having ravenous gas mailed to me. Lol
New to all of this, my kids are 10 & 11 and have a China buggy my question is being a novice for the cost of upgrade would the B&S animal be comparable? P.S. I’m becoming a big fan of Red Beard garage enjoy watching but don’t the facility to take on such projects so Thank you for your time your channel is the bomb.
im verry curious, what whould be the best block to reach maximum performance? if i wanted to buy only the parts and build the fully moded engine instead of buying the engine and swapping out parts, where should I get them and wich ones should i get?
Hi, I am from the U.K I have just purchased a twin Honda gx160 I have been looking at a stage 4 kit.. because its a twin engine its getting a little costly. Any way you could do a comparison with a gx160 ( rpm ) engine and your predator engine. I have a chance if buying 2x ( rpm ) engines but dont know whether ti get them or just buy stage 4 kit for my gx160's. Thanks
@@RedBeardsGarage thanks for the reply I appreciate it. The predator 212 uses the same parts as gx160. Im just going to get a stage 4 kit for. Both engines
hey mate i got a question about valve seals im building a motor ATM currently waiting on parts and i see that u don't use valve seals are they not needed with these engines i purchaed some but if there not needed i wont use them as there the last thing in the post to show up so there going to hold up the build
Can you do a build and dyno on the coleman 196cc engine? There are not alot of videos on them but it just does not make sense to me to go buy a new engine to build when the 196cc runs fine and has alot of aftermarket parts available.
Brotha you need to get some cold medicine and some sleep. I can hear how stuffed up you are. We enjoy the content thank you for the awesome build info.
@@RedBeardsGarage Good to hear yeah you found like your on the beginning or tail end of being sick. Normally I would have said anything but my wife watches with me and her mother hen kicked in and was driving me nuts. Lol glad to hear your getting better.
Weird I hit 60 on a stock 212 ghost Camo Coleman with torque converterbrand new been debating fully building it cuz now It gets up to only like 50 45 like it’s wore out any adjustments you think I could do to help it ?
Hmm i woulda thought with stroker crank torque would've increased more, possibly more torque gain than hp. Im speaking from my experience in building stroker engines for drag strip and street use cars trucks etc. Interesting, although im not sure why, but i know nothing of the cam specs, that may have played a role
What up love your videos.so I did the stage 1kit for my 420 predator and I feel like there wasn't really any more power than what I had when it was stock I have Mt predator in a golf cart what could my problem be so I can get the power that I want from my stage 1kit
The amount of HP and torque gain is insane. Your able to teach an old man and novice more than I ever thought.
Excellent RB. Many thanks for true ratings. Extremely grateful for your work and willingness to share
My pleasure!
Just what I needed 👍 can't wait to see what the 420/460/500 makes when you work your magic on them 😁
The dyno is a game changer!! The dyno results reminds me of Engine power on Powernation! Great Video
That's real HP there 💯💯💯
Bro ! My predator 212 with stock cam , stock flywheel , ported head that I did , arc billet rod , 26 lb springs , champion rockers pz27 carb that I tuned went 61 mph ! Wait till I install a billet flywheel and mess with the timing . Making a video soon .
May want to address the bolt that holds the rocker retainer in place. Common problem on that Ducar head. The Tillotson setup is a better setup and an easy solution.
I have stripped that bolt on multiple heads. In fact doing this video it stripped and i had to drill the hole deeper and retap it.
Thx! Again a super exciting video.
How about doing a video with only head mods - changing valve angles, transitions, CR, maybe measure air velocity in the intake?
Together with EC carbs maybe?
Love the Sound of this machine 😊
We can do something like that in the near future. Thanks for the input.
man those have a lot more power than the mini bikes I used to ride! But that was in the late 70's.
Thanks, guys. Impressive.
I was pretty impressed with those gains. Stroke the world lol.
At the beginning of the test ride you say that the cam and carb are changed and the head is ported while the rest is basically stock. Huh? Only stock stuff left, not including ancillary parts, are the block, lifters, and push rods.
Yeah I’ve seen him do this a couple of times in his videos. Not sure if it’s on purpose. Also he’ll have big plans for something and then just never do it. I’m still waiting on a 459 max build
Bore and Stroke were left 'Stock' size. The crank was just pre-ground in areas that catch.The rod was same length as 'stock' just a different dipper and cleared for crank bearings.Those are 'the rest'.
They don’t make anything for the 459 other than the basic stage 1 stuff. It’s not a good design for high hp builds that’s why.
@@bryduhbikeguy 'Same size as stock' is not the same as stock.
There aren't any parts for the 459.
Been looking at small blocks for some you just make so much power and is really good to watch your videos thanks for explaining all about points to look out for know looking for a engine to work on thanks again for all your good work great guy 😊
Those are respectable gains.
Good job on the lawn RBG let's see your mower set up and can we get a functional lawn mower build
Hey Greg, great content as usual. I just have a small suggestion, could you overlay the dyno graphs so the curves can be compared? Thanks dude.
Can do! Thanks for watching.
@@RedBeardsGarage you're a gentleman and scholar, sir. Thanks dude
I would put a tensioner on that belt, might reduce the shaking rpm figures
The only way that would effect the numbers would be if it was skipping a tooth. The bottom side of the chain is the pull side. That's why the chain is like that on the top run.
@@RedBeardsGarage ok! Thanks for the response! Wasnt sure if it would do anything, but i figured the suggestion wouldnt hurt
Yes, never clearance any part of the block inside with the rod, crank, etc. Installed. Always remove everything and then grind. Just reiterating your having to reinstall the piston the same way as before. CLEANLINESS IS NEXT TO GODLINESS when building.
this will be interesting, the only real difference between this build and my own engine is the stroker kit, otherwise I have the same CM grind cam, same size carb, a well ported head with 26lb springs, and 0.021" between the flat top piston and head to get the compression as high as I could without machining the head (risky but worth it) and the PVL flywheel with 28 degrees timing.
I would like to know what the lift is on the ghost cam though, just for stored knowledge that may never be usefully utilised.
We have talked about the lift of the ghost cam in the past. I can't remember what it is off the top of my head.
I had a dodge neon i slapped a bigger cam, springs, ported and smoothed any rough spots on the intake and shined up the exhaust side, plus a light going over on the combustion chamber. That little thing would scream.
Why is the billet valve cover not listed in the description with the rest of the parts?
Calm, informative and honest! I have no interest in engines but will still subscribe as you are doing a great job with your channel! And mabye my interest awakens ;D. Keep up what you are doing! Greetings from Sweden!
I'd be intrigued to see a stock 212 with a stroker kit and properly tuned carb vs a max performance 224 since the 224 is basically a stroked 212 would be neat to see how ecs kit compares to a store bought in terms of performance.
I would like everything you used to build this motor. Where do I find it as a package? Thank you
NR Racing sells some 1.2 roller rockers that will work on that head. They call them Ducar 212 rockers but that’s a Ducar block and head. I wonder if they would cause valve to piston interference with the flat top piston? If not, I wonder if they’d give any power increase? I have a set in a Tilly 212 but it’s running a stock dished piston with the valve relief.
I showed this vid to my Doctor on just a general check up, he said " that's inspiring".
Great video as always. Thanks again.
You bet
I'm curious about the ring gap.
I didn't check this build but normally do. I will start checking on video to tell you guys what they are and if they need grinded.
In this video it looks like you have a hose for quick oil drain can you explain how that was made and if it is just for oil drain after doing a dump or if this configuration can be used in a day to day build to make oil changes easier, faster, and cleaner?
I had a cushman eagle 9 hp & this engine u did is what looks to me the same as the exceleratuon maybe quicker than the cushman wirh a 50% size of ur bike .
I'd like to see you build Briggs and straton opposed twin 18 or 20 hp horizontal shaft. U CAN DO IT!!!!!
or a briggs 30ci nobody really makes any vids on the twins
yo im more interested the numbers that a ported 14cc big valve head would produce on this setup
Great gains but still waiting for you guys to dyno a engine with a loop in the exhaust pipe like the old briggs racing exhaust pipes to see it ot helps or hurts with built engines.
I will do that soon sir.
8:40 Do those pistons come with the rings already gapped properly? I have EC Carburetor’s flat top piston and their forged rod for my 224, but I haven’t begun to start that project yet.
Hey red beard I am running a ghost with hot 265 cam, 26lb springs, .010 head gasket, 24mm nibbi, billet rod and 10k rpm flywheel with #8 degree advanced timing key, would I be able to use a flattop piston with the stock head and valves or would it hit each other?
Love the scripture that you put up keep on coming
no gapping or ring prep? you like to run them lean.
That's a ripper!
Why is the timming advance done on the flywheel key rather than degreeing the cam?
More fine adjustment with the flywheel. The cam having the gears makes it too big of a jump with each teeth.
@@RedBeardsGarage thx.
@@RedBeardsGarage is a adjustable cam gear in the works?
Is it possible to replace the pull start with a kick start for a mini chopper build
I noticed the hole in the valve cover is it safe to leave that open especially to keep dirt out
I guessed 17...not too shabby lol
The power output is nearly identical to the 212 build with the same modifications that you did on the road to horsepower.
We need more red beard videos❤❤❤❤❤😊😊
Can you do a video showing how to mount an engine like this to a moped? or maybe a series about mopeds?
i need help..... installed a stage 2 kit on a pred 224 from nr racing, and now it will only run on starting fluid. been trouble shooting it on and off for 2 weeks cant figure it out. checked valve lash, coil gap, cam timing, made sure valves are closing completely, carb is getting gas
will I still need to install the billet retainers and stainless steel valves if I include the stoker kit only
Do you have a link for the valve spring lock tools?
How would you compare this build to the Wildcat 223 you built? In particular, wondering how the Wildcat Vs Predator hemi head compares especially when porting.
The Wildcat made a little more power than the Ghost. You are starting with a stronger block with the wildcat and it comes with the crank and flat top piston stock. I think Wildcat all the way.
i wanna see you do an overhead cam style engine
Do you put assembly lube or oil on the rod bolts then torque them to spec? Or you torque them to spec dry?
Oil on them then torque.
Gr8 channel!
😇🙏👍
You should build up a ghost buster from wildcat!
Awesome!!
So did i add this up right, you have 547.50 in this engine as of this new vid?
Now you need to EFI it with Speeduino and then turbo it...
Where did you purchase your valve instillation tool?
Those are some big gains. What does it cost sir. And is there better options. As in tillitson or any others. Seriously. What is the actual cost for this ghost.
Thats cool man. Awesome u got a big field to drive around in. Lmfao. Hard to find that in the city.
hey red got a quick ? any reason why my ghost has so much vibration ? almost feels like the crank is out of balance ???
The real question is can you take a 224 and build it to a similar number for less?
Where can I get good engines for which tuning parts are available in Germany?
Is there a flywheel that can add a charging coil
Hey Red, what does the compression end up with the stroker kit? Love all the horsepower videos but for me pump gas is very important. I like to ride more than pay to having ravenous gas mailed to me. Lol
Nice build sir
So what’s the in the hole measurement? What does the compression work out to?
What torque wrench are you using the clunks that loudly at 20 foot pounds?
It’s not that loud in person. My mic picks stuff up like that louder than normal.
Can you use the stroker crank from go power sports in your stage 5 ghost build if not what would I need to changed the rod and piston?
New to all of this, my kids are 10 & 11 and have a China buggy my question is being a novice for the cost of upgrade would the B&S animal be comparable? P.S. I’m becoming a big fan of Red Beard garage enjoy watching but don’t the facility to take on such projects so Thank you for your time your channel is the bomb.
im verry curious, what whould be the best block to reach maximum performance? if i wanted to buy only the parts and build the fully moded engine instead of buying the engine and swapping out parts, where should I get them and wich ones should i get?
Hi, I am from the U.K I have just purchased a twin Honda gx160 I have been looking at a stage 4 kit.. because its a twin engine its getting a little costly. Any way you could do a comparison with a gx160 ( rpm ) engine and your predator engine. I have a chance if buying 2x ( rpm ) engines but dont know whether ti get them or just buy stage 4 kit for my gx160's. Thanks
If you can I would definitely do a bigger engine. It’s hard to get much power out of the gx160s.
@@RedBeardsGarage thanks for the reply I appreciate it. The predator 212 uses the same parts as gx160. Im just going to get a stage 4 kit for. Both engines
Looks like a cool build man. Really appreciate the videos!!!
Could u possibly give me the part number for the rod and piston used to stroke the 212 to the 223
hey mate i got a question about valve seals im building a motor ATM currently waiting on parts and i see that u don't use valve seals are they not needed with these engines i purchaed some but if there not needed i wont use them as there the last thing in the post to show up so there going to hold up the build
Can you do a build and dyno on the coleman 196cc engine? There are not alot of videos on them but it just does not make sense to me to go buy a new engine to build when the 196cc runs fine and has alot of aftermarket parts available.
Check out our Free Horsepower video coming out later this afternoon.
That turned some really decent numbers 😊
I was wondering if you would road to horsepower a 390 or a 440 now that would be crazy...john...Australia
Whats the reason of drilling out the oil hole on top of jug
Hey red beard do you have a video of the biggest build with the most power on a predator 212cc ghost
Or do you have a video for the biggest build that you have done
On the predator 212 ghost
Made the same hp of a 500$ Tilly 225 long block.
Hey got a question what do you do to make the juggernaut pulley work for a stock predator motor like 212 and 224
Can you do a mild build in a preditor 224?
Brotha you need to get some cold medicine and some sleep. I can hear how stuffed up you are.
We enjoy the content thank you for the awesome build info.
I was sick for three weeks lol. Better now.
@@RedBeardsGarage Good to hear yeah you found like your on the beginning or tail end of being sick. Normally I would have said anything but my wife watches with me and her mother hen kicked in and was driving me nuts. Lol glad to hear your getting better.
I did not know you where a Christian channel :DDD i just not saw the verse I love seeing it.
bikes and beards does the same thing
Weird I hit 60 on a stock 212 ghost Camo Coleman with torque converterbrand new been debating fully building it cuz now It gets up to only like 50 45 like it’s wore out any adjustments you think I could do to help it ?
Great video as always. 🔥
Any thoughts on stroking a gx270
To fit a 390 rotating assembly?
You feeling OK? You sound super congested. Everyone is getting sick
I was sick for three weeks lol. Better now.
@RedBeardsGarage glad to hear.. I'm going through it myself atm.
Was there a trailer park boys reference I heard ?? "Decent" makes me like this channel even more lol
Nice gains 💪 ☮️
What cam is best for low rpm power on a predator 212 hemi?
Any cam that has less duration. The least duration the better the power in low end rpm.
Ok,thank you
can i order racing cam for 225cc engine?thanks! god bless...🙏 from philippines
What mm stainless valves were used?
They are linked in the videos description. 5.5mm stems.
Red Beard you ever dyno that methonal motor.
Hmm i woulda thought with stroker crank torque would've increased more, possibly more torque gain than hp. Im speaking from my experience in building stroker engines for drag strip and street use cars trucks etc. Interesting, although im not sure why, but i know nothing of the cam specs, that may have played a role
how much is the whole set up?
How much is a dyno like that?
Pro tip. Do not use an impact to tighten bolts, especially covers.
Wish they sold those in Canada
That looks like a crack in the crank
What up love your videos.so I did the stage 1kit for my 420 predator and I feel like there wasn't really any more power than what I had when it was stock I have Mt predator in a golf cart what could my problem be so I can get the power that I want from my stage 1kit
Remove the governor
Do you still have a discount code
Did you leave Go Power Sports?