The Best Carb Money Can Buy? | SmartCarb SC2

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  • The SmartCarb SC2 automatically compensates for altitude without changing jets, makes more power and uses less fuel in the process. But is it the best carburettor money can buy or better than a Lectron carb?
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  • @ChaosCauses
    @ChaosCauses  2 роки тому +96

    Check out SmartCarbs website if you have any more questions- smartcarbfuelsystems.com

    • @pascalkargut3237
      @pascalkargut3237 2 роки тому +3

      For an extra 700 dollars you could have just. Bough a fuel injected bike and not have to fuss around with all that stuff so is it really worth it

    • @pascalkargut3237
      @pascalkargut3237 2 роки тому

      And you should see if you can do a bike review on an onyx motorbike

    • @pascalkargut3237
      @pascalkargut3237 2 роки тому

      But great video though

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +13

      @@pascalkargut3237 name any fuel injected dirt bike that is only $700 more than any Yamaha YZ new or used. There are many bikes in the world that aren’t fuel injected that have a lot of life left in them. This SmartCarb offers those riders fuel injection performance and consistency but with carburetor simplicity.

    • @jiedanloriaga8945
      @jiedanloriaga8945 2 роки тому +3

      Can i have one? For free
      Jokes but it is a nice carb bro thanks for sharing

  • @daos3300
    @daos3300 2 роки тому +236

    the catch? the price, obv. as for planet killing - enthusiast bikers, classic car drivers etc. are not the problem. we're a quite sustainable drop in the ocean compared to the real problems.

    • @tomtemple69
      @tomtemple69 Рік тому

      Yup, the government just loves to ruin any fun for anyone but doesn't touch the rich people who give them donations

    • @nowhere474
      @nowhere474 Рік тому +8

      VOLCANIC ACTIVITY.

    • @jackandblaze5956
      @jackandblaze5956 Рік тому +28

      Blowing up methane gas pipelines releasing 500,000 metric tons of greenhouse gas into the atmosphere equivalent to 30 years worth of pollution from every car and motorcycle ever made might also be an issue.

    • @onefishtwofish7319
      @onefishtwofish7319 Рік тому

      ​@@jackandblaze5956look into ocean shipping. Each shipment wastes more gas than 100k cars will burn through in the entire lifecycle of the vehicle. Once you start doing numbers and adding them in different sectors you realize how wild it is that they want to tax us for driving cars "to save the planet". It's bullshit.

    • @FedkaSlovanich
      @FedkaSlovanich Рік тому

      also a old car that gets 9mpg with 150k miles is alot better then a new car that gets 20mpg

  • @TornadoCAN99
    @TornadoCAN99 2 роки тому +242

    In the pre-FI era, it was common to use a Gunson Colortune see-thru sparkplug to visualize the colour of the fuel burning. You then tweak the carb mixture screw and or needle to get a nice blue hue for near ideal mixture. Too yellow means too rich, too white means too lean.

    • @ameunier41
      @ameunier41 Рік тому +13

      First time I hear of that, definitely need to check that.

    • @jeanlawson9133
      @jeanlawson9133 Рік тому +7

      Exactly I had bungs on my 302 SBC where I could view each exhaust Port...too achieve blue flames.... indexing plugs and length of wire timing... recurve air gap Etc..... Remember the race car called Blue Flame... AIN'T IT JUST AIN'T IT 😜 lols

    • @francislutz8027
      @francislutz8027 Рік тому +12

      The ol color tune. I love when people in my motorcycle groups have problems with tuning and I mention the $35 color tune and they have no idea what I'm talking about

    • @alexstromberg7696
      @alexstromberg7696 Рік тому +4

      all that just for a computer to do all it way better

    • @Wouter-lf4gn
      @Wouter-lf4gn Рік тому +1

      ​@@ameunier41have one myself. Can recommend.

  • @romteb
    @romteb 2 роки тому +423

    Those big claims about fuel economy and power need to be tested, i'm extremely skeptic

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +143

      We agree. Third party testing and verification of our claims is something we welcome. Dirt Bike Magazine, Cycle News, EnduroPro, and most recently MotoVerde in Spain have all done tests and published articles about their results. Pros like Cody Webb, Diogo Vieira, Pol Tarrés, and more have all attested to the gains in power and economy in competition and we've had a hand in setting a number of land speed records with 5 new Bonneville speed records just this last July.
      Thank you for your interest, we hope you stay tuned.

    • @fiveowaf454
      @fiveowaf454 2 роки тому +31

      I too find those hard to fathom, there are a number of reasons why 2 strokes are less fuel efficient, but the carburetor is not going to be the main one, if it's working correctly. Mikuni and Keihin have been making wonderful carburetors for many decades and while I'm not blinded to the idea that a different approach could have slight benefits, I do not believe that a properly tuned traditional carburetor is not going to produce almost the same results. Most 2 strokes come from the factory with a tune that is rich to keep engine internal temps down and provide longevity, stock carbs can be tuned accordingly for more power and reduced fuel consumption, but with risks to engine life.

    • @darkfire8615
      @darkfire8615 2 роки тому +14

      @@SmartCarbFuelSystems this company is the goat

    • @sebaf2954
      @sebaf2954 2 роки тому +42

      @@SmartCarbFuelSystems maybe something for Project Farm to try out

    • @davidrasmussen2975
      @davidrasmussen2975 2 роки тому +2

      With only a low and high speed circuit, the mid range will be compromised. This is where fuel economy is usually the greatest due to engine design. The typical mikuni has three circuits in this size range so economy will typically be greater. Fuel injection atomizes fuel to a greater extent than a needle jet and is infinitely variable when has feedback loop.

  • @nuthintoprove
    @nuthintoprove 2 роки тому +122

    I have a lot of vintage motocross bikes. I've tried the Lectron on two of them before I heard of SC. After I had one running real good with the Lectron I swapped to a SC to see the difference. The SC works better by far and the ease of tuning makes them a dream to jet. Because as we all know, old bikes were close at best with their jetting. The SC got even the most fineky of them running so much better then I even thought possible. I also have them on my modern off road bikes, Beta 300, YZ 250, Beta 200. I'm my book it is the best carb made, period. I hope this helps. It will be $ well spent.

    • @dukecraig2402
      @dukecraig2402 2 роки тому +7

      Does this company make carbs for 4 stroke engine's?

    • @user-uz5nv4hs8d
      @user-uz5nv4hs8d 2 роки тому +8

      @@dukecraig2402 there's no difference between a two stroke or a 4stroke bike carb only if you have efi a simple pwk carb will work on both engines. I don't now about SC but I think it will work .

    • @dukecraig2402
      @dukecraig2402 2 роки тому +3

      @@user-uz5nv4hs8d
      I see there's a 40mm, that's the right size for what I'd do with it.
      I didn't know if there's something special about these that's for 2 strokes because of the electrical connector I see in one of the views.
      I'm definitely going to investigate these and see if I can get one on a Sportster, I love tinkering.

    • @skm9420
      @skm9420 2 роки тому

      I've heard lectron described as the "best drag carb"

    • @dukecraig2402
      @dukecraig2402 2 роки тому +3

      Do these modern 2 strokes have some kind of electrics in their carbs?
      I haven't been around 2 stroke bikes since "back in the day", here in the states they're virtually non existent anymore, last I heard there was only 1 or 2 models you could buy here and even then I haven't seen (or heard) a 2 stroke in years, all the dirt bikes I see guy's riding around here anymore are all 4 strokes.

  • @Surestick88
    @Surestick88 2 роки тому +473

    Regarding those stripped screws on the Keihin, have you tried using a JIS screwdriver? Using a normal Phillips on JIS screws (like Japanese carbs) is a recipe for stripped screw-heads. They *look* the same but they aren't.

    • @Cheezeball99999
      @Cheezeball99999 2 роки тому +41

      While I personally am aware of that.. *feature* , I don't feel like that's something we should have to deal with. A hex is a hex; if it fits, it fits. Philips/JIS screws suck.
      I used to hate flatheads, but after hacksaw-converting hundreds of stripped fasteners into flatheads, I definitely prefer them, or hex cap.

    • @donniebaker5984
      @donniebaker5984 2 роки тому +4

      @@Cheezeball99999 socket head torx are cool especially the ones made of stainless steel.... Expensive but for the one time user and doer not a great expense at all for a single purpose equaling very cost effective.... And by pushing a few buttons on your smartphone will open up the world wide Web where all can be found.... eBay and Amazon's good place to start.... And if you have to you can find where the original manufacturers are located to buy directly from them if necessary..... Just saying I know where you're coming from as I used to work at a vintage Harley-Davidson restoration shop.... Where the motorcycles were previously adjusted and maintained from what looked like hammer and chisel work... And your job was to bring it back to life with modern day technology and performance that can be done for many many cubic dollars versus pounds of fun

    • @phrodendekia
      @phrodendekia 2 роки тому +19

      @@donniebaker5984 I use Stihl bolts and screws wherever I can since I'm a Stihl tech 🤣
      So T27, T25, T20 for me.

    • @robertbucknell6180
      @robertbucknell6180 2 роки тому +22

      Nothing wrong with Japanese fasteners if you use the correct tools; Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) screwdrivers will remove those “Philips head” screws without damaging them. Use the wrong tool and you pay the price!

    • @randombuilds8336
      @randombuilds8336 2 роки тому +14

      If you don't have a JIS screwdriver take a #2 phillips and sand the tip down until you get a perfect fit in the screws.

  • @doubledragon5750
    @doubledragon5750 2 роки тому +7

    Smart carb has the best customer service hands down. I reached out after buying one second hand. They helped me thru multiple detailed emails, to get it setup, knowing full on I bought the smartcarb used. Cleaned up the mid range huge on my YZ285 big bore.

  • @PNWEnduro
    @PNWEnduro 2 роки тому +362

    Good video. I've been running the SC2 on my Sherco for close to a year now. I ride big elevation changes, one ride may be at 2000' and the next at 9000' so not having to make any adjustments and the increased fuel economy is huge for me. It's all the advantages of FI without the added complexity and still retains the performance and feel of a carb.

    • @NirHason
      @NirHason 2 роки тому +13

      I really like your channel and my SC2 ;P

    • @ollie6512
      @ollie6512 2 роки тому +7

      What kind of increase in fuel economy did you see?m

    • @mohamednaflan4361
      @mohamednaflan4361 2 роки тому +2

      Does this carb work on any bike? I have a 180cc Indian bike.

    • @ShawnBlais
      @ShawnBlais Рік тому

      @@ollie6512 You'll get about 30% more out of a tank, my TE300 does about 110km to a tank now, was about 85 or so before. Seems like the gains are reduced if you're doing lots of hill climbs though, but I haven't been able to measure that in any scientific way.

    • @matthewmoilanen787
      @matthewmoilanen787 8 місяців тому

      There is no great carburetor feel. You are dreaming or have virtually zero knowledge of mechanical principles. Carbs provide no difference in "feel" except when the weather changes and the run worse. Fuel injection is "ALWAYS" superior to carburetion when tuned and is why manufacturers have virtually all went injected. You sound like all my fellow mechanics in the seventies when they said it was the end of the muscle car era. We currently have cars with more HP than was "ever" available in the 70s. Modern cars are more fuel efficient per HP, lighter, better handling, more dependable, quieter and more comfortable to drive. And not one of them has point style ignition, drum brakes and --- carburetors. 90% of guys could be handed two different bikes same size, everything but one has louder exhaust and you'd all say the loud one has more power. If you think carbs are better you also think that WWI, WWII, Spanish flue, the great stock market crash, the depression and polio are what made the good old days so good.

  • @joeduncan4427
    @joeduncan4427 2 роки тому +38

    Have the SC2 on my 250 SX, thing was different right off the bat. Instead of being an uncontrolled powerhouse, my bike became gentle and easier to ride thus helping my lap times without losing any noticable power. Gas lasts me 1 week instead of 3 days. Def worth

    • @rickyprice2805
      @rickyprice2805 2 роки тому +1

      250sx three wheeler?? I’m interested if so

  • @DoctorMotorcycle
    @DoctorMotorcycle 2 роки тому +168

    The reason for this carb being "self adjusting" is the same thing that happens on a normal carb; the thinner air decreases the vacuum signal, less fuel comes from the float bowl, and the bike runs essentially normal. Often times, when you go UP in elevation, the only thing you need to do is increase idle speed a bit. I've gone from 1,800 feet to 8,000 feet on many different 2 strokes (with quad vent keihins and TPS's, I might add) and many different four strokes (CV style carbs found on LTZs, Predator 500's, FCR Carbs on 250/450f's, Mikuni VM's and TM's on my old school vintage bikes) and the only thing I've ever needed to adjust on the four strokes is the idle screw. The only carb's I've ever needed to change jets with to not foul plugs were 2-strokes with the Mikuni TMX 36's and 38's, which are notorious for being very finicky.
    Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand how having only 1 main form of adjustment from idle to over-rev is an advantage. If you want the ease of adjustment, use a Dial-a-Jet on a normal carb, and save yourself enough money to do the next 3 or four top end jobs, lol.

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +49

      The reason this carb compensates for changes in air density better than other carburetors is its use of a metering rod and integrated, internal float bowl venting. We've tested up to 22,000 feet on drone applications with very minimal variance in A/F ratios and we don't take into account the elevations that our customers ride at. No need for it. There's a difference between dialed fueling regardless of large changes in air density and getting by with good enough or not fouling plugs.
      The advantages of single circuit fueling is that there are no overlaps or transitions between multiple circuits. It's one continuous curve. Of course that does require having the correct fuel curve or metering rod grind installed and positioned. We make it as easy as possible for our customers by selecting the metering rod they need based on information about their setup, mods, fuels, etc and by positioning it for them, erring slightly rich. Most customers lean the rod out a few clicks using the top clicker and tweak the idle RPMs to their liking using the set screw and that's it. No further adjustments required.

    • @GingerNingerGames
      @GingerNingerGames 2 роки тому +6

      @@SmartCarbFuelSystems how do them go in dual carb bikes? I might be interested in this just for the fuel saving on my daily. Though getting my mikunis tuned more than just by ear might help too

    • @steelavocado1
      @steelavocado1 2 роки тому +10

      I don’t have a dirt bike, but on my street bikes, there is a lot needed to adjust a stock bike to altitude... I’ve brought many bikes from sea level to 5k feet and all of them run too rich. It requires minimal adjustment (either a needle or jet by one size or notch) it still needs it. Just my experience.

    • @keithpeterson3447
      @keithpeterson3447 2 роки тому +11

      Save your money. These things are a waste of money.

    • @DoubleBogeyBaker
      @DoubleBogeyBaker 2 роки тому +5

      @@GingerNingerGames you should never tune “by ear”. Always tune by what your spark plug is showing you. A carb with a metering rod like Lectrons are really night and day. When I built my drag banshee for 1/8th mile some years ago I switched to gas lectons, picked up a lot of ET. When I switched to methanol Lectrons, it was game over! I’ll never use anything but Lectron on any of my bikes

  • @chrisroberts908
    @chrisroberts908 2 роки тому +9

    I have one on my KX500 and it was the best decision ever. Runs strong regardless of temp or altitude like they claim, starts easy, and always idles smooth and steady. Just up to you if you want to drop the $800. I'm glad I did.

  • @biondanishgenomeinstitute8193
    @biondanishgenomeinstitute8193 2 роки тому +21

    A CO-meter is best way to find the right click position .. get or find one for most performance. Minimizing CO will tell you the right fuel/air mixture (taking your fuel into account) and its surprisingly sensitive.

  • @garyhoward2490
    @garyhoward2490 Рік тому +1

    About 10 yeats ago, I bought a 2002 KTM 520 exc, from the original owner.
    He was/is definately a tinkerer.
    He was a Canadian guy, who had relocated to SoCal.
    He was also, big into snowmobiles.
    The 520 was pristine!
    He had added a device, known as a dial-a-jet to it.
    Apparently this is a common mod to snowmobiles.????
    I had no prior knowledge of it.
    He had it all set up, and gave me the manual for the dial-a-jet.
    After reading, and understanding the unit, I just rode the bike and still do...a lot.
    Even in very low temperatures, I never have to use the choke!
    Even first thing in the morning!
    I have ridden the bike at aea level, or below, and at 9000' elevation.
    1 or 2 "clicks" on the dial-a-jet adjuster is all it takes.
    Incredible!
    Has anyone else had experience with these?

  • @maazahmed9077
    @maazahmed9077 2 роки тому +119

    Just saw a video by fortnine explaining whether a carb is better or fuel injection. Would recommend.

    • @vipercraft4426
      @vipercraft4426 2 роки тому +4

      Saw same video! It was good yes!

    • @kavemanthewoodbutcher
      @kavemanthewoodbutcher 2 роки тому +3

      They do make a good argument, for both methods.

    • @motoboq9606
      @motoboq9606 2 роки тому +7

      carb = more fat raw power down low from 1000k rpm up EFI= smooth economic power over 6-7k rpm up to red line. non is bbest or worst both are used for racing and dailies etc

    • @joshsevens9611
      @joshsevens9611 2 роки тому +4

      Mostly fuel injection is more reliable than a carb and that's about it really

    • @kakiho6981
      @kakiho6981 2 роки тому +8

      @@joshsevens9611 Remember that dirtbikes may be the exact example where the carb is more reliable.

  • @adrenalinejunkie240
    @adrenalinejunkie240 2 роки тому +2

    I have been running these gems on my 1979 Yamaha Daytona Special (rd400) for about 2 years now. I cannot say enough good things about how they perform. If you don’t know what a RD 400 is? It is a twin 400cc side by side two stroke. To get an idea of it’s umph? Compare it with hanging a license plate on a CR 500 is about as close of a comparison as you can get that I know of. It went from like riding a rocket to now it’s like riding a bullet! Once I got them dialed in my bike really woke up in every way. No more flat spot in how the power comes on, the throttle is crisp from the bottom all the way to redline now. Before it was boring on the bottom until about 4k rpm’s then ya better hold on cuz it would explode to life until I shift at 10.5k rpm’s. They are by far the best carburetors I have ever run! I’ve been around bikes all of my life and I’m old as dirt so it’s sayin something about them. The company has a customer service/tech department that is second to none. My only tiny issue is they only make a left side carb so guys with twins will have to reach in a hot motor to make the initial fine adjustments. Good news is they really are a set and forget system. Once I got them where I wanted them I have not had to do any more adjusting in 2 years! That’s badass! They are worth every penny

    • @peterherrington3300
      @peterherrington3300 2 роки тому

      Never heard a RD 400 compared to a CR 500 before.
      I've ridden loads of both & the yam was tame compared with the brutal honda (both stock & good examples)
      Obviously they are geared completely differently but the honda was a hard to start , high compression evil cow that would put you in hospital compared with the yam.
      Full race honda compared with mildly tuned Road bike .

  • @Sanguine_Addiction
    @Sanguine_Addiction 2 роки тому +6

    Installed my SmartCarb on my 2017 YZ250X a few weeks ago and it's a night & day difference from the stock carb. Incredible performance!

  • @davidelliott5843
    @davidelliott5843 2 роки тому +5

    The British SU carburettor uses a metering needle that can be tuned by choosing a different taper or filing a flat on part of the needle. SU has a butterfly valve and constant velocity slide. David Vizard gas flowed the 1.25” to flow the same as 1.5”. There are some tips but it worked very well indeed.
    Biggest issue for altitude is the relatively narrow range of mixture adjustment for any particular needle. Saying that you can use an old style choke control to raise and lower the main jet. Set it half way for low altitude, full high for high altitude or full low for cold start.

    • @katywalker8322
      @katywalker8322 2 роки тому +1

      Most slide carbs can be adjusted by changing the needle. For example Dellorto list loads of different needles for their carbs. Pain and expensive to keep buying and swapping them - there are ~100 choices just for the K type needle and they are ~£12 each.

    • @Caluma122
      @Caluma122 2 роки тому +1

      @@katywalker8322 My life right now :p

  • @kingcosworth2643
    @kingcosworth2643 2 роки тому +17

    The PWK is a great carb, I have a worked KTM 380, I had to bore the carb out to 39.5mm from the stock 38mm so I could jet it. I like having 6 adjustment points with the PWK, it took some messing about, a number of different needle tapers etc but the bike is now crisp everywhere over the throttle range.

  • @edbennett8257
    @edbennett8257 2 роки тому +6

    Holley came out with a carb for Harleys using this exact concept, flat sided needle and all. They called it QuikSilver. I have one on my shelf of shame along with a bunch of other carbs. In the beginning, after getting it tuned in, it seemed to be a very good carb. The main problem was that after a year or so of running it became almost impossible to keep running right due to internal wear in the carb body and slide, and in the needle bore. Replaced it with an S&S Super E and the bike has been running perfectly for over a decade. I don't think they lasted long on the market. Of course, this is a new manufacturer, and maybe they've overcome the wear issues.

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +6

      Edelbrock, not Holley, QwikSilver, not QuikSilver, and by directive and inspiration of original metering rod carburetor concept inventor William Edmonston, the culmination of his efforts being the SmartCarb. Our SC2 models are all CNC billet aircraft aluminum construction with hard anodized billet throttle slides. Much more durable.

    • @edbennett8257
      @edbennett8257 2 роки тому +5

      @@SmartCarbFuelSystems Ok, I stand corrected, I got the company and trademark name spelling wrong, so sue me, LOL. I was just trying to provide some background on the tech that is being touted here as somehow new. What exactly is different between your carb and Lectron or XTNG carbs? I'm relatively sure that all of Edmonston's patents have expired by now. Probably also those assigned to, I'm assuming, his son Micheal. OH, BTW, one of the other carbs on my shelf of shame is an original Edvac carb. Designed by Edmonston for aircraft use, with no float bowl. The fuel passage to the needle bore goes directly from the inlet to the bore, through a tapered needle valve controlled by a cable from the instrument panel. Supposedly the idea was to control mixture at various altitudes with the needle valve to maintain stoich by watching EGT readings. I tried to run it on a Bonneville race bike my manually adjusting based on AFR readings. Didn't work too well for me in the long run, but ran like heck right before I locked it up, LOL.

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +4

      @@edbennett8257 no problem, we're happy to keep the story straight. Some of the tech in use with the SmartCarb was developed in prior metering rod carburetor iterations including the QwikSilver and the even earlier Lectron, and some of the tech in use is new and patented by us. The main differences between the SmartCarb and the Lectron and XTNG (Lectron clone) are the SmartCarb's internal, integrated float bowl venting feature (patented), the use of a single circuit (metering rod) to cover the entire throttle range with no power jet or other circuits required, the variable throttle rate venturi shape (the process by which that shape is defined being patented), full external adjustability without tools, and a TPS option. Both Lectron's new Billetron 38 and the 38mm XTNG are 4mm smaller than implied or advertised at 34mm whereas SmartCarbs are true to size if not slightly over. Check out the SmartCarb vs Lectron article on our website for more information.
      Very curious about the Edvac. We're pulling together a collection of all earlier Edmonston designed/inspired carburetors starting with the Posa-Fuel and are willing to pay well for clean examples. Reach out if that may be of interest to you.

    • @edbennett8257
      @edbennett8257 2 роки тому +2

      @@SmartCarbFuelSystems I'm in Kansas City. I could bring it to your Raytown location some day if you'd like to check it out. I also have an EI carb, another iteration of the same concept by Edmonston.

    • @harolddalesr8365
      @harolddalesr8365 Рік тому

      Yes , I recall that Harley Davidson did come out with a carb of this concept

  • @fiveowaf454
    @fiveowaf454 2 роки тому +76

    Having worked with carburetors for 40+ years, I found the SC2 concept to be very interesting. However the only feature that would be beneficial to myself would be the ability to easily adjust for altitude. On a single cylinder, single carb engine, the rest of the tuning is so easily done that it wouldn't be of any real benefit, regarding getting a base setting. When I'm working on a bank of 4 carburetors, then I'm always wondering why there isn't a simpler way as the carburetors have to be removed and replaced several times over as the various circuits are tuned, although that's only really a chore when you have a none standard set up in terms of the engine modifications and different carburetors, so you do not have a stock factory setting to work from. If you are racing then I guess the real crunch is whether the design really gives you all that extra power over a properly tuned stock carburetor, many 2 stokes are setup from the factory to run somewhat rich for engine longevity, rather than all out power and fuel efficiency.

    • @haydenroyer
      @haydenroyer 2 роки тому +4

      So you just explained it yourself that, this product Is beneficial on 99% of the platforms its swapped into! Outside of whatever circles your forming, this is beneficial!
      Who is out here fully constructing a motor from scratch, and does so without doing any prior research to atleast have a basis or point to start from? Come on man, quit bashing! Also, please explain wtf you said in your comment? (Pls don't take my cursing or short temperament as aggression or hate etc directed at you personally)

    • @fiveowaf454
      @fiveowaf454 2 роки тому +10

      @@haydenroyer When I see some back to back dyno tests with a properly tuned stock carb, vs the SC2 I'll be happy to accept the results, but for now I find it really hard to believe the SC2 can provide drastically better results for anyone, beyond someone whose original carb is either having issues or was never tuned correctly, you can't change the laws of physics. Q: "Who is out here fully constructing a motor from scratch, and does so without doing any prior research to at least have a basis or point to start from?" A: Anyone who has a custom engine setup, my 78 Kawasaki has a big bore kit with high compression pistons and 28mm carbs instead of 26mm from a later model. I bought it that way, the previous owner never had it running correctly. It proved the most challenging set up to tune perfectly, I've worked with so far, as there was no stock starting point and the PO had got it jetted all over the place.

    • @nathandyess5310
      @nathandyess5310 2 роки тому +1

      @@fiveowaf454 you're right - you can't change the laws of physics. It's the symphony of the spheres so to speak. But you can work with physics better and in a fuel system like this it comes down to fine control of both air and fuel metering, mixing that air and fuel as homogeneously as possible, all while atomizing that fuel to as fine a degree as possible (increasing surface area and therefore maximizing combustion efficiency) through the entire throttle range. The SmartCarb does just that with its metering rod handling fueling through the entire range without jets or power jets providing sub-optimal atomization.
      The dyno charts are available on SmartCarb's social media channels and soon more of their website blog posts now that they've acquired an in-house dyno. Stay tuned.

    • @1crazypj
      @1crazypj 2 роки тому +2

      @@fiveowaf454 I'm with you on this. I spent years working on modified motors and either swapping to larger carbs or learning how to modify stock carbs to perform 'properly' with modified engines. The 'Cafe Racer' fad of 10~12 years ago still gives me a bit of work as many people want to ditch stock air-box for 'the look' (although only one or two a year now instead of one or two a week)
      Whatever, the 'advances' over a Lectron seems to be a low speed circuit which the Lectron always needed for anything other than drag strip use

    • @fiveowaf454
      @fiveowaf454 2 роки тому +4

      @@nathandyess5310 I still can't help think that companies like Mikuni and Keihin have ample experience, resources and development time in their products, that they are not leaving loads of horsepower or efficiency on the table for someone else to suddenly find. As I've said I'll believe it when I see hard data that shows me the SC2 can outperform a properly set up "traditional" carburetor.

  • @michaelcaddell8520
    @michaelcaddell8520 2 роки тому +3

    I'm so glad my 150 came with this carb. It's so simple and the bike runs so clean.

  • @eweunkettles8207
    @eweunkettles8207 2 роки тому +3

    one of the great tuners descibed carburation as a controlled fuel leak
    i have a delloto 40mm pumper on my racing norton with an adjustable main jet a needle moving in and out of an oversized main jet via a threaded drain nut with a gland rotated by an old rev counter cable alongside the tank
    a long hill is needed turn the knob with wot till the motor comes on song then close the throttle a wee bit if the motor momertarily speeds up
    its weak so another half turn or so and its bang on
    then its needle /slde/pilot / cut away for the rest of the range
    binks made some fantastic carbs
    in the 20s notable the Rat trap
    with d shaped port and long reed type throttle plate full bore or nothing

  • @murraykriner9425
    @murraykriner9425 2 роки тому +5

    Appears to be a good solution for many who aren't into cleaning or tuning the average carb for their motorcycle. Thanks.

  • @TheSnuggs01
    @TheSnuggs01 2 роки тому +11

    Great carbs, I imported one in 2014 & fitted it on my KX500, Corey from APT assisted me with the setup and it was quite straight forward. I did the quads4quads run from Carnival City down to Ballito without any issues related to the altitude changes. It’s worth the money. Great episode man, I recognized Rhino Park straight away.🤣

    • @johnlopez9420
      @johnlopez9420 Рік тому

      I had to double take when I saw the NP200, then noticed Rhino Park 🤣

  • @jmhofmeyr
    @jmhofmeyr 2 роки тому +2

    Just discovered this channel sitting in PTA...great channel and great carb...love that someone is improving the high maintenance design.

  • @-JX-
    @-JX- 2 роки тому +15

    Never had an issue with older keihin style carb, could drive it in the summer just fine and when the winter came with snow and negative Celsius temps, I just went with bit richer mainjet and adjusted idle.

  • @felixcat9318
    @felixcat9318 2 роки тому +10

    Thank you for your video, I had never heard of this device before and found it very interesting (as a former motorcycle mechanic).
    It's good to see that companies are investing in developments that benefit the rider, their motorcycle and are less polluting whilst giving greater fuel range and power.

    • @moretrash4you
      @moretrash4you 2 роки тому

      Carful reading all these paid comments

    • @felixcat9318
      @felixcat9318 2 роки тому +1

      @@moretrash4you The only 'paid' aspect in my post is that I paid attention whilst writing it!
      Please post any actual evidence that you have to support your allegations.

  • @Kashak666
    @Kashak666 2 роки тому +13

    Thanks for sharing (Also, there is a difference between Phillips and JIS screws. dot on the head means Japanese Industry Standard or something like it. Its a good upgrade to the workshop to get a set of JIS screwdrivers))

    • @ekimandersom4478
      @ekimandersom4478 2 роки тому

      Nobody cares dude

    • @diavolorosso69
      @diavolorosso69 2 роки тому +5

      @@ekimandersom4478 People that strip the screws on their carb care, "dude"

  • @poorwhiteboy6521
    @poorwhiteboy6521 2 роки тому +4

    I have same carb on my bike ride one time has lots more power then my mukuni had. Runs great at 3 to 5 clicks leaner. Still trying to get mine to idle as well. Revs great sounds great so smooth very good improvements over stock carbs 👍

  • @NirHason
    @NirHason 2 роки тому +9

    That was a very well mdare video, mate!
    I'm running the SC2 on my KTM 300 EXC 2017 for the last 2.5 years and that's the best thing I did for my bike (along with the suspension).

  • @peterhallbus1114
    @peterhallbus1114 2 роки тому +10

    I think you missed the biggest problem, they are expensive, would love to try one out since I ride summer as winter up in sweden and need to rejet my carb 2 times a year, but for me the sc2 cost twice the price of my bike ;)

    • @GeorgeTsiros
      @GeorgeTsiros 2 роки тому

      it's easily the most important part of a motorcycle drivetrain

  • @RonnieMacJr69
    @RonnieMacJr69 2 роки тому +84

    Having dealt with lectron and smart carb in person I will say although when they work right they are great but when they don’t work just right which is 3 times out of 5 they far underperform compared to say a stock kehin. If your looking for the best 2 stroke carb setup I highly suggest a stock kehin with a STIC metering block.

    • @laspar3462
      @laspar3462 2 роки тому +3

      Yes STIC is what you need IF power you want . Best carb mod i have done ..

    • @aaroncrain2343
      @aaroncrain2343 2 роки тому +1

      @@laspar3462 I have a yz125 with the stock mikuni tmx38, would it be worth the switch?

    • @Xeil
      @Xeil 2 роки тому +4

      ​@@aaroncrain2343 air striker, lectron or smart carb are going to be massive game changers. The air striker is a great carb when tuned even without STIC, but that's a very expensive addition to the $300 you'll throw at an air striker. People tend to leave out the fact the STIC is close to $400. So you're sitting at a very specific $700 system. I can assure you and 99% of the people who watch this video that you're not getting the most out of a STIC system. I have not gotten my hands on a smart carb, YET. But a lectron in my 1998 cr250 cleaned up the entire powerband and the fuel economy is PHENOMENAL. My lectron experience has been wonderful and my c250 is a full blown woods bike and I tuned it to have a flat power curve. So for around $350 you can have a great Air Striker with a jetting kit or for another $300-400 you can get a lectron or smart carb (or stic). If you're lucky you can even find lectrons (as long as they're compatible.) for a little under $400 used which is what I did. Took some time to tune, but got dialed in.

    • @genefoster8601
      @genefoster8601 2 роки тому +2

      Kehin is really bad. If you don't believe me what did Harley Davidson choose for a carb. Mekuni smooth bores are everyones choice for street or racing.

    • @RonnieMacJr69
      @RonnieMacJr69 2 роки тому +19

      @@genefoster8601 you must not ride dirt then cause every Mikuni I’ve had specifically the carb off my brothers 02 CR250R are way to picky I think just about every dirt rider will tell you the kehin is superior

  • @jimciancio9005
    @jimciancio9005 2 роки тому +4

    Nice! It's about time they've taken a step in a different direction besides the plain Jane same old carburetor and changed the internals more than just the shape of the damn slides! It's about time and long overdue especially for the same fact you bring in up in the video, "the whole ripping a carb apart to tune it" part! Nothing's more frustrating than losing your E clip for the needle in dirt or grass! Can't say how many times it's happened before, but more than I'd like to think about! That's absolutely awesome stuff! Dial tuning just like an adjustable jet use to be. I have a personal problem with fixed jet sizes and have always wondered why? Outside it makes them tamper proof I guess and once it's set up with the right size it's good. VERY very annoying Stuff when you made engine or altitude changes and need more or less fuel! Wow really outside of fuel injection BS, which is OK, you just do not make the same power nor have the same throttle response with FI as opposed to a carb, sorry I've had plenty of experience with both and hands down a carb on the same exact engine will produce a few more HP and the throttle response is instantaneous due to the fact a sensor needs to send a computer the input signals, thus calculate how it needs to be changed, then sent back to the injector and or butterfly valve if it's fly by wire, this all in reality takes nano second's I'm sure to all do? BUT it is a noticeable difference and the dynos don't lie either about fuel injection VS carbs the HP is always a little better on the carbed engine's no matter what it is, doesn't really make sense how a crude mixing valve is capable of creating more power over a computer controlled system??? BUT it's known fact in the engine world, but it's what you gain in ease or startup running and self adjustments, I guess you pay for in a few HP, which really isn't a bad swap....... Very cool Bro, thanks for making this video, never heard of these until now thanks to you, will definitely be checking into one now!

  • @kavemanthewoodbutcher
    @kavemanthewoodbutcher 2 роки тому +24

    Brilliant! An innovation as simple as the carburetor itself! The moment I saw it I under stood it, the complexity lies in the profile of the metering rod, which disappears as well once the maths are worked out.

  • @TheMadManPlace
    @TheMadManPlace 2 роки тому +10

    This type of carb has been around since the early 70's (rod vs needle)
    BUT they were VERY expensive and almost impossible to tune because a complete stripdown was needed to make any sort of adjustment.
    I'm glad to see that someone has made it a lot more user friendly because the old type performed extremely well once you had gotten the setup dialed in but the difficulties simply made it a non-starter.

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +1

      1967 actually with the Posa-Fuel. After that there was the Lake Injector, Lectron, Ei Blue Magnum, the QwikSilvers, and ultimately the SmartCarb which offers all of the performance benefits of metering rod fueling with super easy external adjustability.

    • @MadBiker77
      @MadBiker77 2 роки тому +1

      @@SmartCarbFuelSystems think Ron Gardner of Gardner Carbs came out with it before 1967, i have a lot of his prototypes from the late 1950's sat around.

  • @Theupstateidiots
    @Theupstateidiots 2 роки тому +16

    That's a crazy price tag to upgrade. I will say the technology is cool, and I'd run it. But not for that much, and they limited to two stroke bikes. They'd have a lot of opportunities to make money on 4 strokes, and ATVs if they got in to it I think. especially people with older warriors and stuff that they no longer produce oem parts for. The aftermarket just isn't as good.

    • @kidsalex13
      @kidsalex13 2 роки тому +1

      i was thinking the same thing, id love to upgrade my 4 stroke, but not for $600

    • @Theupstateidiots
      @Theupstateidiots 2 роки тому +1

      @@kidsalex13 there is other aftermarket smart carb options I have found. Pricey still.

    • @theyeetus1428
      @theyeetus1428 Рік тому +1

      This technology would be amazing for the adventure segment, going across a variety of altitudes without wanting to change carb jetting. I was on their website, just about to buy one, when I realized they only make them for motocross 2-strokes. What a bummer. It doesn't even make sense when motocross bikes won't even be used at high altitudes.

    • @Theupstateidiots
      @Theupstateidiots Рік тому

      @@theyeetus1428 I do think there is some other companies that make them for different machines.

    • @theyeetus1428
      @theyeetus1428 Рік тому

      @@Theupstateidiots Do you recall the names of those companies?

  • @daviddobeson7509
    @daviddobeson7509 Рік тому +1

    Thanks to Smart Carb for explaining the differences between SC2 and SU carbs.
    I was completely wrong.
    A "superior SC2" metering rod is in no way like an SU metering needle with one side machined off.
    The SC2 has a flat slide raised by the throttle cable and the SU has a cylindrical slide raised by the vacuum in the venturi. Again; no similarity.
    The SC2 has an integrated float bowl and SU only used this from 1972.
    AND the SC2 passes EPA tier2 emissions on PER MILE on 4 strokes. This is obviously very difficult for a small bike compared to a 90's small car.
    Congratulations. Dave D

  • @prmafrozt2943
    @prmafrozt2943 Рік тому +10

    I think this design could be adapted to an automotive application. If I was a designer, I’d start with something like a 2 barrel or 4 barrel design usually seen in a classic American car, since they’re so common.

  • @lappieslabuschagne2428
    @lappieslabuschagne2428 Рік тому +1

    Im retired bike mech and prefer carbs way above fuel injection . Simpler, cheaper , way easier to fix and more reliable and above all it gives you full performance. No need for mappings and that sort of crap. Once jetted and tuned correctly it remains tuned. Bottom line , I'll choose carbs 10 times out or 10.

  • @krzysswiston1026
    @krzysswiston1026 2 роки тому +3

    Man, I do not even have bike, yet wached full movie and enjoyed as F..😃 cool stuff this smart carb. And well made movie

  • @OrestisRovakis
    @OrestisRovakis 11 місяців тому

    The best way to tell if the carb is correctly tuned is the spark plug. If you want to be on the safe side you can check your spark plug after the first 15min of ride. According to you mixture and gasoline it may need minor changes. We used to do that when go Karting. Remember when it's leaner it goes faster so it may trick you.

  • @KPMACHINE1
    @KPMACHINE1 2 роки тому +8

    I’ve been running lectron on a 16 ktm300. It is amazing how awesome it works. I do like the easy adjustability the SC2 provides. Once $ does permit I will try one out. Thanks for the great video.

  • @cmb7481
    @cmb7481 2 роки тому +1

    Edelbrock carbs are like this too. Many people don't like them - I think they are GREAT!!!!!! It's the super pumper carb!!

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому

      The Edelbrock QwikSilver carbs were a predecessor to the SmartCarb and they were the first to introduce the top clicker adjuster for changing the metering rod position 👍

    • @chuckfry1227
      @chuckfry1227 2 роки тому +1

      I own 3 Edelbrocks and I have not seen any carb that is even comparable. Yes super pumper indeed. My 2 XR650R’s love them period.

  • @smokefentanyl
    @smokefentanyl 2 роки тому +6

    Can’t recommend the SC2 enough , the best upgrade you can do for any bike without digging in to do port work . Makes my yz125x so much more reliable and user friendly, not having to mess with jets etc. Also, it’s very very hard to clog this bad boy if your bike sits.

  • @ripmesomewelfarechecksandc9203
    @ripmesomewelfarechecksandc9203 2 роки тому +1

    For single cylinder engines carburetors are superior.
    Change my mind
    BRAAAPPPP

  • @Danger_mouse
    @Danger_mouse 2 роки тому +8

    Good video, there's more info in your video than on the Smart Carb's own channel.
    Still waiting for a dyno run and some actual numbers from them after 18 months.
    In Australia, the cost of the SC2 would buy engine upgrades and a tune.
    Can't wait to go efi 2 stroke on my own bike 👌

    • @marvinwaldo32
      @marvinwaldo32 2 роки тому +2

      Good comment ! Buy a book tune your stock Carb Save Money !!!

    • @Danger_mouse
      @Danger_mouse 2 роки тому +1

      @@marvinwaldo32
      My Keihin runs really well was about $50 worth of jets.
      That said, I don't ride variable altitudes or conditions much so I can leave my settings along mostly.
      The SC2 is attractive for people who want to just leave it alone and ride, and also has the benifit of being able to to lie the bike down without draining fuel everywhere.
      The Smart Carb is just too expensive in Australia to be an option.
      Really just want an EFI Sherco 🙂👌

    • @numbzinger350
      @numbzinger350 Рік тому +1

      It's funny you'd mention the lack of a dyno run on their website. They had a pissing match with Keith Peterson on a previous thread started by DoctorMotorcycle and asked him to post his dyno runs. Neither has put up anything but I'd think that after 11 months something would have been posted on SC's website. If they have already done it then I missed it. Until I see overwhelming proof of the SC's performance vs stock then I'll stick the the Keihin PWK on my '23 YZ125X and save my money for a JD jet kit, plugs, and enough fuel to learn how to properly jet the dang thing myself.

  • @Yoda8945
    @Yoda8945 2 роки тому

    If you are sick of stripping Philips screws, it is because those are not Philips screws on that Keihin Carb. They are JIS and a Phillips screwdriver does just that. Excellent video. I would really like to see some actual dyno information though.

  • @loganmilliner8734
    @loganmilliner8734 2 роки тому +52

    I'm curious if this would work for 4 stroke engines as well, or is it possible to make a rack of them for an inline 4 bike. And what about boosted applications?

    • @ChaosCauses
      @ChaosCauses  2 роки тому +24

      Yes, definitely possible! I just used one for the 2-stroke since that’s the bike I have. Works with turbos too. Incredible carb!

    • @MrCODEmaster00
      @MrCODEmaster00 2 роки тому +10

      Same question I have, I highly suggest to go to the SmartCarb website (link in description of of this video), leave your contact info (email), and they should email you back with details.
      Hopefully if enough people inquire about it:
      1. We'll find out that the SC2 can be rigged up to a 4-Stroke road going bike, OR
      2. They'll see that there's a community out there wanting this for street motorcycles and make an SC3 or such.

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +19

      @@MrCODEmaster00 we'll keep an eye out for your email inquiry and get back to you as soon as we can. Our focus has primarily been on the 2-stroke market as that is our riding passion, but we do recognize the needs elsewhere and are growing to serve them. We have equipped 4-stroke bikes with excellent results for years, provided they will fit with a single, top-pull throttle cable. And as for boosted applications, well, we did just play a part in securing 5 new Bonneville Speed Records in July on a turbocharged YZ125/144 in an R6 chassis.
      Cheers!

    • @MrCODEmaster00
      @MrCODEmaster00 2 роки тому +1

      @@SmartCarbFuelSystems Thank you for the response, may I ask for directions to see if/what SC2 carb will fit a stock-engine CMX250 (Honda Rebel 250cc, 2005 Year)?
      Only thing I found was the tool to see what 2-Strokes it's compatible with, do you have a similar thing for 4-Strokes to find out what specific model/size of carb I'd need?

    • @yveslegrand9826
      @yveslegrand9826 2 роки тому +3

      700+ dollars for one...it will cost about the price of a new engine...
      And adjusting 4 carbs is just a pain...

  • @RGV2300
    @RGV2300 2 роки тому +1

    You should have mention the throttle body design, as the conventional flap/butterfly design doesn't provide a linear curve of intake air (air being swallowed by the engine), it is more like a quadratic one, which you remove almost the whole air restriction at less than 90 degrees opening. This new design provides an exact intake area (because it is like a slider gate), so at 100% opening throttle body, you'll have 100% of the area available to suck air. Not that i have one or even tested it, but just by how it looks, it seems to me that provides an exact AFR the whole time, after a proper calibration of course.

  • @superflanker972
    @superflanker972 2 роки тому +3

    I think Normal carb is the best for me.. prices cheap,easy to tune..i've been using Keihin 30mm(Yamaha tzm 150 carb) on my Suzuki Txr150 for more than 1 year without changing the jets and no problem till now😁

    • @Hana_Nabila
      @Hana_Nabila Рік тому

      Malaysian? 🤣 Just stfu and watch how this new tech working. Ok?

    • @ForTheOmnissiah
      @ForTheOmnissiah Рік тому +2

      Normal carb wasn't best for me until I saw the price on this thing... yeah, normal carb is best for me. I'm good.

  • @SkitPete
    @SkitPete 2 роки тому +1

    Hhawu! Mfwethu. Ilana eMzansi?? Ur channel and presentation is so international...I thought ur like a Texan with his own track in the backyard, just speaking like a Dutch Austrian. Great bro, all the best

  • @streetwiseburger
    @streetwiseburger 2 роки тому +5

    Great upload as always! Repack your silencer, do a video on it while your at it. Mikuni/Keihin use JIS screws, much better than Phillips type.

    • @Yoda8945
      @Yoda8945 2 роки тому

      And that is why those screws are stripped. Somebody used a Philips screwdriver on it.

  • @andymiller5611
    @andymiller5611 Рік тому +2

    A very informative and educational video dude, done in an easy to understand manner! Well done! 🍻🤘💜

  • @derrickanderson2783
    @derrickanderson2783 2 роки тому +4

    Cool video! I'm currently rockin' a Sherco 300 FST trials and it would be so intersting to see how the SC2 would do at a Utah competition with lower revs, lower compression, and slower speeds.

  • @roocrew86
    @roocrew86 2 роки тому +5

    So it's basically a SU carb for a motorbike
    Thats not a bad thing, I did a draw though turbo setup with a SU carb and it worked brilliantly
    Those style carbs are fantastic

    • @sidecarbod1441
      @sidecarbod1441 2 роки тому

      Its NOT an SU carb, the slide on this carb is controlled by the rider, on an SU carb the slide is controlled by the vacuum created by the engine. Furthermore the needle in an SU carb is like the needle in most other carbs, it has a round cross section, the Smart carb's needle is not even called a needle as it is not round, hence the term metering rod.

  • @mrc4912
    @mrc4912 Рік тому

    Just on the surface, it looks like the old air valve carburetor design, such as SU carbs that were used on many vintage European and Japanese performance cars and roadsters. There's a damper chamber filled with fluid (light oil) that delays the rise of the air piston when the throttle is opened, hence eliminating the need for a power jet. The main jet has a tapered needle that admits more or less fuel depending on the throttle pressure. The type of fluid used in the damper chamber is an area for exploration and one of my favorites was brake fluid....

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems Рік тому

      Dig a little deeper and you'll find that the SmartCarb is a directly throttled flat slide carburetor. Integrated venting isn't used for throttling, but rather proportional fuel delivery for wider elevation/temperature changes. The SmartCarb is the only carb using both at-manifold air density but also velocity for fuel flow and that is why it works without any secondary circuits besides the metering rod.

  • @gnagsaar_
    @gnagsaar_ 2 роки тому +5

    When they make advertisment look like a review 😆 Atleast smartcarb finally understod that they need to pay off a few youtubers to keep up with Lectron.

  • @johnsmith-dm2tq
    @johnsmith-dm2tq Рік тому

    a helpful tip: we often think of things llike mpg and equate this to we need more gallons to make more power, what is confusing about this is we don't burn gasoline....say it again, we don't burn gasoline. we burn air and gasoline is the catalyst that makes it possible. so if you have a fuel air ratio of 25:1 than you burn 25 parts of oxygen to 1 part gasoline. also i am not saying 25:1 is your fuel air ratio, its just an example. also this carb could be a great thing if you like old bikes like i do.

  • @t_ag
    @t_ag 2 роки тому +7

    Thanks for sharing this. I didn't know that it existed. I like that it doesn't have needles, but I wouldn't consider adding it to my fuel injection street bike (if it was possible). I see it much more useful for your type of situation.

  • @wernerxldata
    @wernerxldata 2 роки тому +2

    I really like changing maps using my laptop/phone as I do for a few years now with our KTM's... Laptop for the original ECU's and WiGET app for the GET ECU's.

  • @mattroman5076
    @mattroman5076 2 роки тому +3

    Edelbrock had these years ago called a quicksilver...kind of a pain..
    Tons of different rods,and real time tuning was a nightmare.
    Exact same setup

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +2

      Nope, not the same. The missing link was internal, integrated float bowl venting, a patented feature of the SmartCarb. It communicates the same air density into the float bowl that the venturi sees (not external vent lines in front of the rear wheel) along with velocity of that airflow, proportionally, to drive fuel flow both ways. Progress. By the way the QwickSilvers were direct predecessors to the SmartCarb. Same inventor. Just needed time to learn and improve.

    • @chuckfry1227
      @chuckfry1227 2 роки тому +1

      I have two Xr650r’s both equipped with quick silvers. Once the right metering rod is installed the carbs have not been touched in 4 years. A brilliant carb with a simple design and a pumper to boot. I’ll keep what I have, thanks anyways.

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +2

      @@chuckfry1227 happy riding!

  • @christiansanchez1486
    @christiansanchez1486 9 місяців тому +1

    I put one a a motorized bicycle I built back when I was high school and dude these carbs don’t play best $700 I’ve every spent on a motor mod.

  • @KTOTAMHAX
    @KTOTAMHAX 2 роки тому +3

    3:27 fuel filter wrong orientation)))
    4:03 - this right)))

  • @carrioncrow8191
    @carrioncrow8191 2 роки тому +1

    This got me glad I no longer have a 2 stroke. I love the power, but I don’t miss mixing fuel and the smell that goes with it. I am surprised that there is still innovation in this field as electric bikes are going to take over in the next 10-20 years. We are still selling two strokes brand new, so I guess there is plenty of a market out there and this is a good solution for those people

    • @JParkes43
      @JParkes43 Рік тому +1

      The 2stroke smell is the best part.

  • @priyag6806
    @priyag6806 2 роки тому +8

    But can it work on a old carb motorcycle with no electronics or anything smart like throttle position sensor

    • @MrCODEmaster00
      @MrCODEmaster00 2 роки тому +1

      I sent a message to SmartCarb's contact email wondering the same thing, I have a 2005 Honda Rebel 250cc, and I'd *LOVE* to:
      1. Replace a carb that I have no clue how to tune/repair if need be.
      2. Get a better carb than what I have now.
      3. Make it even more fuel-efficient just as a happy accident.

    • @Andrea_eTi
      @Andrea_eTi 2 роки тому

      @@MrCODEmaster00 let us know

    • @osiris07lv
      @osiris07lv 2 роки тому +4

      You can get the carb with or without a throttle position sensor.

  • @anthonyarmstrong9508
    @anthonyarmstrong9508 2 роки тому

    @ 0:31 Man says to smart speaker," computer, when is a good day to ride?" The smart speaker replied," everyday is a good day to ride." LMAO, I love that clip scene. 😂

  • @jferackjr
    @jferackjr 2 роки тому +3

    I had a edelbrock carb that functioned the same. Metering rod and a red screw on top.

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +2

      Yep, the Edelbrock QwikSilvers were predecessors to the SmartCarb and they saw the introduction of the clicker on top. Different function though in some key ways. SmartCarbs internally vent their float bowls and utilize a non-round, variable throttle rate venturi profile, among other differences. There's a long history behind the metering rod carburetor concept.

  • @1950Bonanza
    @1950Bonanza Рік тому

    Funny...Piston powered aircraft have been using this carb design..basically from the beginning (100 years??). With a typical aircraft carb you can manually adjust the mixture with push-pull control, most also have a vernier to it as well so you can fine tune the mixture to achieve the exact exhaust gas temperature for max power (IE: the perfect A/F ratio). What would be cool is to allow the rider to (like an aircraft) change the mixture with a lever or knob or something, while riding. KOSO sells an EGT for bikes, one could install that and dynamically change the mixture to max power always.

  • @megapet777
    @megapet777 2 роки тому +6

    The smartcarb looks really nice and clean. Imagine having it in a CR 500 :D

    • @davidwagner2280
      @davidwagner2280 2 роки тому +1

      I have a lectron on my cr500 and it is night and day from the original carb. There have been a few guys that have tried running the first smartcarb with no luck on the cr500s but haven't heard of anyone trying one of these yet.

    • @megapet777
      @megapet777 2 роки тому

      @@davidwagner2280 oh interesting

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +1

      You don’t have to imagine it. We’ve equipped hundreds of them with the new SC2 model SmartCarb. We recommend the 38mm size. And like the YZ here a trim inside the airboot is required for proper function.

    • @megapet777
      @megapet777 2 роки тому +1

      @@SmartCarbFuelSystems Nice :o

    • @wheels-n-tires1846
      @wheels-n-tires1846 2 роки тому

      Im picturing it on my 85 ATC250R...hmmmm....

  • @boltonky
    @boltonky 2 роки тому +1

    Ease of use vs cost is always a big thing especially if your not inclined to learn how to tune/fix your own bike/cars.
    I have always wanted to try one but can't justify the cost at $1500nzd when i can barely feed myself, i will stick to changing jets and having a cry (although knowing how to read spark plugs and a lambda sensor are handy)
    Thanks for upload :)

    • @MXRiderFiftyTwo
      @MXRiderFiftyTwo Рік тому

      $1500 is a lot of coin. But you can always take it off once you sell the bike

  • @HPRaceDevelopment
    @HPRaceDevelopment 2 роки тому +7

    Imagine adding individual circuits so you can tune each one independently... "no jets" is just a word play. Jetting refers to fueling - and the other carbs using no jets also requiring fueling adjustments.

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому +6

      Imagine not having multiple circuits that need independently adjusted... or a carburetor that drives fuel flow proportional to air density from inside of the airbox instead of in front of the rear tire, one that also drives fuel flow proportional to that airflow's velocity right at the manifold. Those features preclude the need for multiple circuits and largely define what a SmartCarb is.
      Every carb requires adjustments. There's too many variables affecting it from engine health changing over time, modifications, fuel selection, rider preference for different riding conditions, etc. The difference is that these carbs greatly mitigate the adjustment requirement for air density changes. A carb that's dialed is a carb performing at its best. Conventional carbs with jets, and we all know what we mean when we say "no jets," do not stay dialed for even moderate changes in air density, changes that take them out of optimum tune.
      Furthermore, SmartCarb adjustments, if even required, are made externally, by hand, without tools, in seconds.

    • @HPRaceDevelopment
      @HPRaceDevelopment 2 роки тому

      @@SmartCarbFuelSystems still wating on my 10-15 percent power and improved bsfc

    • @evr-mr3cp
      @evr-mr3cp 2 роки тому

      🍿😎

  • @wickdghost3639
    @wickdghost3639 2 роки тому +1

    Hey!.... How'd you know I'm alone in my garage on my couch watching UA-cam.... Lol

  • @mftuning2891
    @mftuning2891 Рік тому +7

    700$ for a carb. No thanks.

  • @jamesrogers4674
    @jamesrogers4674 2 роки тому +1

    Can I get one for my mower?
    It's a horizontal Briggs Vanguard 29 hp big block.
    I mow for a living so more power, better efficiency, cleaner burning would make a big difference in the long haul.

  • @TwistedTriggerEnduro
    @TwistedTriggerEnduro 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks for taking us along on your journey. Good trouble shooting and wise to seek advice like you did. 💪👍

  • @3v068
    @3v068 Рік тому +1

    This is beautiful. I love building mini bikes and go karts out of Predator and other small generator engines. This could be a game changer for us since we dont need to need to worry about jets or such. This is a fantastic product.

    • @Cj-yw8cs
      @Cj-yw8cs Рік тому +1

      Did you try it? Does it work for 4 strokes? The message I got was a 2 stroke able carb. Will it work for a 60 year old bike?

    • @3v068
      @3v068 Рік тому

      @@Cj-yw8cs I havent, but I dont think there would be any issue trying to fit this onto a two stroke. As long as you have a good oil mix, or an oil feeding system in the engine, you should be good to go with no issues. 2 stroke carbs and 4 stroke carbs arent THAT different from each other, and this one is honestly simpler.

    • @3v068
      @3v068 Рік тому

      @@Cj-yw8cs and to add onto that, if you go to their website, they have 2 stroke options as well if you wanted to get one for a specific bike.

    • @Cj-yw8cs
      @Cj-yw8cs Рік тому

      @@3v068 the bike used in the video is a 2 stroke. The website will probably not have info on my machine. The joy of old oddball motorcycles

  • @midlifeduck7040
    @midlifeduck7040 2 роки тому +5

    I'm wondering if they do smart carbs for cruisers. I'm always looking for a way to get better gas mileage. An helping the environment even if just a little is a good thing in my book

    • @ChaosCauses
      @ChaosCauses  2 роки тому

      Absolutely! Check out their website

    • @MrCODEmaster00
      @MrCODEmaster00 2 роки тому +1

      I have seen comments like this a lot, please go to the SmartCarb website (top link in the video description) and scroll down, leave your email contact info and letting them know you're curious if the SC2 _could_ be fitted to a street motorcycle that's 4-Stroke and we'll either:
      1. Find out if it's possible to rig it to a 4-Stroke road going motorcycle *OR*
      2. Hopefully they'll make an "SC3" or such for this purpose.

    • @MrCODEmaster00
      @MrCODEmaster00 2 роки тому

      @@ChaosCauses I love that you reply to comments, but I must ask. Where do you see it for street bikes? I go to their website, and click on "Shop", and only thing there is 2-Strokes.
      If they do have them for 4-Stroke road-going motorcycles they have done an impressive job at making it hard to find.
      Edit: thank you for any response you have to this.

  • @tatecheddar
    @tatecheddar Рік тому

    Idk about the bolt argument. I spent a bit as a mechanic and small hex keyed bolts strip out just as bad or even worse than phillips screw heads in my experience. This can be mitigated by having a really high quality hex socket, I recommend Snap-On for the best, but yeah... They strip out really easily if it's torqued down even a bit over spec.

  • @donniebaker5984
    @donniebaker5984 2 роки тому +5

    It's a lazy man's electron carburetor with all the fun taken out of it of manually adjusting that tapered needle one notch at a time and then when running out of notches you grab into your drawer of a thousand other needles of different tapers and start all over again but you guys have taken all the fun out of it I say by merely pushing a button what fun is that ⁉️ it will only lead to more time on your hands to turn the throttle and wear out your engine completely wfo throwing roost at your buddies pissing them off to the point you will have no friends... As you will be riding while they are still at home changing Jets

  • @DirtBikeGrub
    @DirtBikeGrub 2 роки тому

    I guess another advantage would be for all day enduro riders, getting 20-30% more fuel economy will enable up you to ride much further without the need for external fuel tanks

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems 2 роки тому

      Very true. The fuel economy gains were readily apparent at last year's Bad Medicine hard enduro, watching Cody Webb do 3 laps on a tank while the TPI guys had to stop every 2.

  • @elliothickle3247
    @elliothickle3247 2 роки тому +2

    While this seems like a cool adjustable carb I didn't see any features that could even remotely classify this as a "smart carb". I was really hoping for a smart carb that could automatically adjust like we have come to expect from their fuel injecting counterparts. A "Smart Carb" should include pressure and temperature sensors for intake and atmospheric conditions as well as a micro processer to monitor/calculate optimal settings and a stepper motor to adjust the screw position accordingly. Maybe a better name for the product would be "Easy Adjust Carb 2 (EAC2)"...

    • @fiveowaf454
      @fiveowaf454 2 роки тому

      I too figured with a name like Smartcarb it was going to do something electronic that you set up from a laptop or the like and that it would adjust itself on the fly. The only real innovation is in the needle design, but even that brings to mind why Mikuni, Keihin etc. have never thought of that idea. I'd like to see a back to back dyno run between one and a properly tuned stock carb to see what the tangible benefits are along with a fuel usage simulation. Many 2 stroke motorcycles have always come from the factory running rather rich because it helps with longevity, so some of the claimed benefits could just be running a weaker mixture, which could be achieved with the stock carb and a few dollars worth of jets and needles. The easy adjustment for altitude is the only thing that jumps out at me as being an immediate benefit.

  • @MikeDLees
    @MikeDLees 2 роки тому +2

    Your videos are excellent. Very professional. Nice job !!

  • @motorman111jld
    @motorman111jld 2 роки тому +4

    Okay Okay I'm half way through the video and I already see the genius simplicity in this carburetor. I love it!!! *EDIT* alright I made it all the way through the video. Finally I find someone that see the low fuel consumption rate to be more environmentally friendly! Thank you!

  • @cxbra
    @cxbra Рік тому

    Im def a Keihin guy. I pretty much try to leave the idle and air/screw in the same spot and might go down a jet smaller in summer (less dense air makes it run rich) and one size up in jet in the winter. My bike came extremely rich from the guy I bought it from since he was at much less elevation than I am. I felt like a king that ive learned how to tune my Keihin.

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems Рік тому

      You're exactly the type of customer we look for: Informed. If you should look to not only removing jetting from the equation, but also increasing fuel economy, enjoying greater, yet more linear power delivery throughout, zero fuel spillage, and tool-free carb adjustments for extreme/seasonal elevation/temp changes, we have you covered.

  • @StrawDragon
    @StrawDragon 2 роки тому +3

    wow, you can buy a used bike for the price of that... I was thinking around $250 usd, but its in the $700+ range.... At $250 usd it would be reasonable.

  • @TheKitchenTechnician
    @TheKitchenTechnician 9 місяців тому +1

    Yep…I’m getting one. For my 2023 Beta 300RR!

  • @Subliminal3117
    @Subliminal3117 2 роки тому +4

    Is it only for dirtbikes?
    Would be awesome on my aprilia rs 125 :D

    • @MrCODEmaster00
      @MrCODEmaster00 2 роки тому +2

      I went to the SmartCarb website (link to it is in the description of this video) and left my contact info wondering the same thing but for a different bike.
      I highly suggest to leave your contact info too so they can e-mail you as well, hopefully if they get enough people wanting it for 4-Strokes/Road-bikes they might make something if the SC2 can't.

    • @2strokerides
      @2strokerides 2 роки тому +1

      your RS has fuel injection

    • @Subliminal3117
      @Subliminal3117 2 роки тому

      @@2strokerides I've gotten the RS 125 2t now, i sold my 4 Stroke😅

    • @Subliminal3117
      @Subliminal3117 2 роки тому

      @@MrCODEmaster00 alright, im gonna do the same then👍

    • @2strokerides
      @2strokerides 2 роки тому

      @@Subliminal3117 my bad than :)

  • @grndragon2443
    @grndragon2443 Рік тому

    I've seen what is considered a "smart carburetor". It used a AFR sensor, air bleed valve, and a computer monitoring and adjusting off the AFR.

  • @Tattmemore
    @Tattmemore 2 роки тому +3

    It looks to good to be true…too simple to work…but I bet cavemen thought that when someone invented the wheel! I’ve visited the website and asked the question if it would fit a 2003 Aprilia RS125 running a 34mm dell’orto carb without a throttle positioning sensor. Will report back their response.

    • @speeddemonbikes
      @speeddemonbikes 2 роки тому

      This will be interesting to see what they say ...can't see why it wouldn't...🇬🇧😎🏁

    • @Caluma122
      @Caluma122 2 роки тому

      What's the matter with your Dellorto?

    • @Badrick16
      @Badrick16 3 місяці тому

      Any update? because they did not respond to my question for Aprilia RS250 bike.

  • @dean-does-stuff-81
    @dean-does-stuff-81 2 роки тому +1

    the fuel savings alone would make this type of carb interesting to many. Consider when racing you could potentially run a smaller tank. saving weight. of if you were enduro riding, you could ride further between fill ups... and over all, you would be saving money on fuel.

    • @cloudnurdz6331
      @cloudnurdz6331 2 роки тому

      have you seen the price of them you are now saving nothing

  • @chaotic_300
    @chaotic_300 2 роки тому +4

    Can it fit on a 4 stroke street bike tho?

    • @MrCODEmaster00
      @MrCODEmaster00 2 роки тому +2

      Same question I have, I highly suggest to go to the SmartCarb website (link in description of of this video), leave your contact info (email), and they should email you back with details.
      Hopefully if enough people inquire about it:
      1. We'll find out that the SC2 can be rigged up to a 4-Stroke road going bike, OR
      2. They'll see that there's a community out there wanting this for street motorcycles and make an SC3 or such.

  • @brandocalifornia3024
    @brandocalifornia3024 Рік тому +1

    My brother got one for his ktm 300. He's pretty happy with it

  • @j.finesseflights1403
    @j.finesseflights1403 8 місяців тому

    I ran X-tra rich! As long as I wasn't fouling plugs at WOT! Pre-mix = compression!
    Compression = Hp with 2-strokes😊!!

  • @karl6823
    @karl6823 Рік тому +1

    I just want to thank you for doing this video. I’ve been in the market for a carburetor for a while, and I was not sold on lectron. I’m definitely going to contact smart carb😎

    • @SmartCarbFuelSystems
      @SmartCarbFuelSystems Рік тому

      Reach out anytime. If we have a kit/solution for you we'll gladly set you up. What do you ride?

  • @christophermcnally8782
    @christophermcnally8782 2 роки тому

    The Sonex aircraft I flew for 18 years had an aerocarb they sold that I installed and it worked the same as this carb. I loved it because I could adjust the mixture to go lean of peak at high altitude.

    • @tomstulc9143
      @tomstulc9143 Рік тому

      Yeah that's what I'm looking for I want to upgrade a simple updraft carburetor something better on a corvair conversion engine.

  • @donniehoward6821
    @donniehoward6821 Рік тому

    God bless people that make how to videos about carbs that know nothing about carbs. Might I suggest a splitfire spark plug!

  • @dragontechgaming6677
    @dragontechgaming6677 2 роки тому +2

    i have had a SC2 and i didn't notice any fuel savings at all and it just works like a normal carb but with a gimick.
    it's not really worth the money just stick with a traditional carb or convert to EFi.
    don't get me wrong it still works just fine but i didn't notice any difference in any aspect it just ran like a ran like a normal carb.

  • @Maine307
    @Maine307 2 роки тому +1

    they should get models for generators, power equipment, and ATVs-!!! i would invest then!! for my other carb engines that i depend on! these guys sound awesome

  • @rot_studios
    @rot_studios Рік тому +1

    I thought this would be some complex electronically controlled doodad, but that's actually super simple and ingenious.
    Would love to have one for my Vespacar but... that probably needs some custom adapter and such. Also just bought the car so need to save up a little first haha.
    I guess I should contact them and see what's possible once I got the funds.

  • @hakan8997
    @hakan8997 2 роки тому

    At 3:33.. I want the fuel filter the other way, so i can see the dirt build up. Even white plastic shows how dirt builds up inside. Its easy to forget fuel filters, even if they are easy to change.