My Recommendations: Best Speakers Under $1000
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:53 - KEF Q150
4:02 - Polk R200
5:45 - Klipsch RP-600M II
7:32 - ELAC DBR62
9:30 - What is Diffraction?
11:33 - Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 V2
13:58 - Kali Audio IN-8 v2
15:58 - End
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Can you please review the Yamaha NS 555 floorstanding speakers ? Many thanks 👍
I'm so glad I can design and build speakers 😊I get so much more for my money
Dude, you are becoming very polished. The content was always solid, but the delivery is far improved. You figured out how to provide the details that audio junkies want, while explaining the basic premise to newcomers, all in one concise way. Looking forward to seeing the future of Erin’s Audio Corner.
Happy to see an active speaker getting some love! DSP multiamping and calibrated measurements took my DIY man-loft system from nice to nirvana. 3(+)-way systems have many advantages but present major challenges to filtering passively while maintaining good phase response. Active presents powerful and affordable optimization tools to the designer, and I believe is the wave of the future.
I’m using a 4 way active system in my massage studio. It’s awesome.
Yep, big fan of active monitors.
@@ryanchappell5962 What a great perk for your clients!
@@ryanchappell5962 4 way? Do you mean a tweeter, a mid range cone, a woofer and what else?
@@miguelalonsoperez5609 In this case I used a modified bookshelf for the tweeter and midrange. It’s a 1 inch tweeter, 5 inch midrange and then I have a pair of small 8inch subwoofers and one mono 12 inch. So it’s basically a stereo 3 way and sub. I use dsp that has 8 outputs. I’m using 8th order crossovers and PEQ filters as well as some delays for precise time alignment. I didn’t actually build anything, just bypassed the internals of some off the shelf products. The powered subs are not modified, just used the LFE input to bypass the crossover on the sub. I didn’t use a tower speaker in this setup because it’s more of a stealth setup.
It’s good to see the sub $1000 list Erin. I suspect this is really the sweet spot for many of us when it comes to price to performance. I have the Kef’s from this video and have been very happy with them (Black Friday $299 purchase) but think I still prefer JBL Studio 530’s at least in my room. I really want to check out the Kalis now.
Thanks for all you do for the community, I’ve been a fan for a long time dating back to car audio lol.
Hey, man, thanks for the kind words and especially for mentioning the car audio days. I still try to compete. Was planning on going to a show this weekend but have a cracked rim on my car that has to be replaced. 🤬🤬
@@ErinsAudioCornerummm.... We need coverage of this PLEASE. you specifically covering mobile audio for us old heads would be great!!!! Former competitor here!!!!
check out the kali in5s, great bass still but way less huge in smaller or any room!
hey thillyard, sub $1000 is the only price range for bookshelf speakers (at least for me), so it was great to get Erin's input on that. Above a grand, I look beyond the bookshelf speaker mentality, but that's just me. That said, it looks like "the next" price range would be from about 3k to under 10k (7k?) .. I don't know if at this higher price category that it gets easier or harder to do.. at some point, it's got to be harder because of the additional difficulty for Erin to coordinate such an endeavor largely due to size, cost, and liability constraints..😉
I was surprised to see Ascend Acoustics here! I have the Sierra 2EX v2's, and they're without a doubt the best speakers I've ever owned. Their customer support is top-notch as well. Great work on this video!
I have the Sierra LX and agree with you.
great company for sure! wish others would also start using sustainable materials (bamboo)!!
I had the Sierra 2s and thought they were awesome. I ended up selling them and buying a pair of Lintons (mostly because of Erin's review). I am happy with the Wharfedales, but I do miss that Raal tweeter.
You are the absolute best speaker reviewer of all time. Objective and honest. 🎉
I would put the KEF Q350 on the list, it is similar to the Q150 for almost the same price but less compromised in the bass region due to the bigger 165 mm driver (vs. 130 mm). For the KEF Q350 bass performance I just posted a little trick in Amir's review on Audio Science Review (page 27). If the bass is well balanced but not deep with the port closed and too boomy with the port open or half open you can try to extend the bassreflex tunnel by about 14cm to lower the port tuning frequency. This may give you a surprisingly deep and balanced bass extension. Of course the result is very room dependent. Details and in room measurements can be found in my Audio Science Review post. One can easily build it from a piece of slotted pipe isolation from the hardware store in a few minutes (if you don't care how the back of the speaker actually looks like) to give it a try.
Told you multiple times by now in previous videos: The education sprinkled through your videos makes your content gold
Cheers! Great video with lots of information, love the practical advice as well (absortion, toeing in/out, etc.)
I have to confess that I often need to watch your reviews several times to follow through and grasp the information (and that is great!)
Awesome comparison video. You covered a lot of excellent points, and I liked the particular attention to room effect and reflection energy tuning.
First time I've seen the Ascend Sierra 1s turn up in a list. I had these for a couple of years and they were great. Upgraded them to the Sierra 2EX with RAAL ribbon tweeters and the sound is stunning. Mind you they're no longer sub $1k speakers. But they now dissappear, with amazing horizontal dispersion.
Thank you for the compilation. A long time ago I bought the R3 Metas because of your review and they've been great. i'm definitely looking to see if I can buy an IN-8s in the future for another setup.
Great list, Erin. I have the Polk R100s on my desktop set up and I love them! I have them crossed over at 80 Hz with a mini DSP and they sound fantastic! I am sure that the R200s would be very similar, but just more of the goodness.
Another great video, on a subject near and dear to most of us these days. Keep up the great work Erin, I'd say you are prolly the #1 internet audio guy right now brother. From the devout ASR monks to the voodoo cable kooks, everybody loves Erin (even the Tekton guys).
Outstanding as always and what a great list Erin. Only a couple of these have ever made my short list to buy over the years but that short list just got bigger after this episode. I'm especially intrigued with the Ascend Acoustics. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Very good group of speakers listed and Excellent explanations of the sound characteristics of each speaker, Erin!
Good stuff!
I love these comparisons.
What I find interesting is your reasoning behind choosing these particular speakers instead of any others you've reviewed in this category.
Cool! Just keep in mind. These are my reasons. Others may disagree and have different preferences but I like to let people know why I like what I do.
@ErinsAudioCorner exactly what's important and what shows good transparency from your side! This is really hard to come by in this YT world - everyone is stating an opinion, which is subjective, but hardly anyone is ready to own up to it. That's perhaps why we have so much of those "this is the best..." titles on the reviews
Love the Kali speakers! Got the two way ones last year and they work well for me.
Great list Erin, nice to see the variety of brands and costs. I don’t think I’ll be retiring my OG Debut B6 or RP600M anytime soon, but glad their lineage made the list.
Thank you for your hard work and input.
I think this is the sweet spot. I just purchased the KEF Q150s. I use a WiiM Amp (small room so it’s perfect) and I have had a RSL Speedwooder 10s MKII. All in around $1200 and I don’t see my self going much higher than that for my needs.
excellent vid! i have the older ascend acoustic sierra v1, love that the company uses bamboo, they’re so solid. and i mix on the kali in5s (which i bought based on your review couple yrs ago.
Erin, nice work, love you tackle in room response. 👍
I've used the Kali's as the primary monitor in my studio since they were first released. Great speakers.
Great video! Extremely useful. Thanks a lot!
Your review is for new speakers, but interested listeners should also keep in mind the pre-owned market. Both the Kef LS50 Meta and Elac UBR62 can be found under $1,000 used. Both are outstanding.
I've had the kali lp6 for light production/desktop monitors for years. Great bang for your buck. Not the most revealing but pleasant.
Good stuff Erin 👍 And glad to see the Elac dbr62's getting some love. I was highly impressed by them. Got them for $500 "b-stock" in perfect condition. What a steal.
Right on!
I like the Elacs too, Casey! The Polks would probably be cool too with the right subwoofer. I thought Erin did a great job coming up with pics that at least one of them would be preferred by anyone interested in this price range.
I concur with the KALI IN-8 V2. Thanks to you, I purchased this as a single speaker for my 9 yo's electronic drum kit. Have used for general listening too, as well as party speaker (small wedding
Awesome references for people buying speakers. Hope you can share your selection for speakers under 10,000 too.
I love my DBR62's paired with an 8" pioneer sub and 10" monoprice sub. Sounds absolutely amazing in my office! All ran from a simple Yamaha 100watt AVR.
Well done Erin!
Great video, thanks a lot!
Such a good video!
Great video Erin! Would something like a Neumann monitor make your list if we were talking about a tad higher price point? And in general, what do you think about something like genelecs or neumanns for purely music enjoyment. Appreciate your content and knowledge!
Love your baseline description of how far you pull a speaker away from the wall and on axis seating position. I gives us an idea of how you measure and review a particular speaker. I the abundance of sub $1k speakers on the market, feel you covered some of the best that this price range has to offer. Thanks
Would you suggest bookshelfs with an amp or studio monitors. Just want accurate ish audio for a larger room. Mainly for mixing for videos but hopefully soon for some music
Awesome list 🙌
Thanks!
For near field, desktop listening is it better to go active or passive?
Thanks for your amazing channel
Thank you for this content.
Erin, I have the IN5's and found the dip switch treble boost helps with that dip. Have you tried that? Love my Kali's.
For small reasonable priced speakers, i think dynamic range is a huge factor too, cant be sure if music is good unless the neighbors are involved
Thank you Erin!
Thank you!
Finally my search is over.
Thank u
Erin love the video, I've been on the fence about buying some DBR62s for my office but my setup does require the speakers to be about 6" from the wall, any thoughts on that?
You always deliver.
Best video of the year!!!!
Hey Erin
Another excellent comparison 👍👍
Have you tested the Monitor Audio Bronze 100 ‘s
They could well be the favourite of those who place higher priority on bass and or value
Pretty sure they’re the only small-ish bookshelf speakers with an 8” woofer. They also look sleek, and the tweeter has a small waveguide
My reading around suggests they are the best value of the four different Monitor Audio bookshelves: a smaller Bronze 50, and two more exp Silver
Usually $725, though at least one place is selling some colours for only 450.
Thank you for putting this together. I may have my wires crossed but I thought you prefer the Klipsch 500 to the 600(?)
What audio source did you use for testing the Kalis? Did you use a dac or did you connect the speakers straight from the rca/xlr ?
what avr would you recommend to pair them? im actually eyeing a pair of kef q150 now that prime days are coming, thanks for the amazing reviews btw, your content rocks!
Hi Erin , great informative video, what’s your thoughts on Elac ubr62 as have good reviews, yes dbr62 has also great reviews. Regards mark
Was just wondering if you ever look into Known DIY Kits. ie CSS, Gr Research on others. That would be a intrestring topic
Kali rocks! Got LP UNF model for small room, awesome sound. Considering their in5 model for medium size room (18m2), not sure in8 will fit there.
was thinking those were gonna be the Kali in-5s. so curious if you like the 8s version much more than the 5?
Whats your process for testing people’s speakers? I have Ascend acoustics 340SE2s it would be great if you could review them some time. I had a hard time picking between it and the sierra.
@ErinsAudioCorner
Excellent comparison. 👍 IMO one significant thing that I think should be noted about the KALI Audio IN-8 2nd Wave Studio Monitors (which also applies to most other active studio monitors), is that there are a good deal of frequency response shaping controls on the back panel of each speaker that can help to balance the response in your room depending on speaker placement and/or the acoustics of your particular room, as well as personal preference.
I'm using the KALI IN-8 v2 in my "casual listening" bedroom setup combined with an iFi ZEN Blue v2 Bluetooth receiver and taking advantage of its LDAC codec 900/990kbps high quality wireless streaming.
With my limited placement options for these speakers in the bedroom, those tonality-shaping controls made it very easy to balance the in-room response without having to resort to additional EQ in my playback source.
For most setups like this, and/or smaller rooms, I would even say that KALI IN-5 2nd Wave is the better option AND value, as it's a bit smaller but doesn't give up much on the low end extension or in overall output capability (see Erin's reviews for both). If you really want those lowest octaves from 20-40Hz with authority, you'll want a subwoofer either way.
But in my particular use case scenario, I don't feel the need for a subwoofer at all, and I think the smaller KALI IN-5 v2 would've been the better choice because I ended up switching the bass response down on the IN-8.
I'm a drummer, and good kickdrum/bass drum reproduction with realistic impact & dynamics is important to me, along with realistic upright acoustic bass and electric bass guitar playing their lowest notes. The Kali IN-8 v2 have no problem bringing a smile to my face in this regard.
Cheers
Great list Erin! Ascend Acoustics are on my list to check out. How about Joe's favorite Monolith stuff?
It’s good stuff, but doesn’t quite make the list for me. With equalization they can really be helped, but I think I could say that for all the speakers on this list too.
Check out the Ascend Acoustics Sierra LX. They are mind-blowing good.
I know not everybody will consider the used market, but what you can get for up to $1k is crazy.
I’m grabbed a pair of beautiful Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand’s for well under $1k!
Why didn't the new Vanatoo's make the cut? Specifically the T1E+?
If the ELAC UBR 62 were to be found for 500$ (as is the case right now in the EU), would you include them in your list?
On your original review about the Kali you mentioned that the soundstage was not very wide (as is often the case with coaxial designs) - do the UBR62s perform better than the Kalis in this regard?
I wish you would review the Sonos Five powered speaker in stereo pair.
Not sure if you see this in the large amount of comments but could you also test the speakers on lower db's? I don't know exactly how much you should do but I listen 99% of the time to music probably around speaking db's and I bet I am not the only one. It's nice if speakers are flat on 88 db but how about 40 db? And from experience speakers can sound very different on lower volumes.
I ask this because you have an awesome channel and you are the only reviewer I trust to give unbiased advice.
I hope you can test the new Starke Beta7...it shoudl EASILY make it into this list :)
Interesting! Man, there are sooo many speakers out there. How about Best Under $100 next? ;P
I have the Kali Audio for my 5 channel bed layer. Should I get IN5 v2 for my atmos speakers or Q350?
They go slightly above the 1000€/pair, but I love my Genelecs 8030 cpm! Think they possibly can reach the budget barrier if B- stock
Thanks for your video!
Thanks Forrest!
No problem, Lieutenant Dan.
I use Yamaha HS8 and I'm happy with them (before that I used HS5, and before that KRK Rokit8).
But, wanna upgrade to bigger cabinets (12" or 15" woofers) when I have money.
I'd love to see you review Yamaha DZR12 or DZR15... I know they're a PA, but wanna see their data results as a HiFi/home speaker (yes, its' unintended use). It may be a good alternative and a poorman's JBL L100 Classic or Klipsch Forte/Cornwall. I hear nothing but good things about them - the most neutral PA ever, super clear, detailed, accurate, not shrill/harsh like typical PAs, very pleasing sound, nice tone, etc.
Can you make a similar video with price points (below 1k and below 2.5k) for center channels? Just an idea.
Should the regular klipsch rp 600m be toed out as well? If used along with a center?
Looks like a nice list that should suit a variety of tastes :) I'm actually a bit surprised you picked the Klipsch RP600M II over the RP500M II
What advantage does the RP500M II have over its larger brother?
¡Gracias!
Thanks Erin ...
"Yu 'da Mann"😂
Hey Erin, if we use your affiliate links but save the item to a wishlist and purchase later, do you still get the commission?
Like this videos!
Would you say the Kali is better than the Thomann speakers when considering price and if you live in Europe?
Hi Erin ! Love your channel. Will you be doing one for speakers between 2,500 - 5,000 ? Thanks so much 😀😀😀
Yep. In a month or two. I have some speakers on hand that are $5000. Prepare that I need to review because they may make my list.
@@ErinsAudioCorner I'm grateful for your quick response, Erin. I am anticipating it. Have a nice weekend. 😀😀😀
Elac DBR62 is legit, you could run those as L/C/R in most a surround rigs without issue. As good as the lower tier Elac debut 6.2 is, the DBR is head and shoulders better. IMO it's better than the bottom two Revel books using the same size woofer, certainly for the $$.
Literally 8-9 hours left!! BH Photo Klipsch 600m ii $299.00!!! Plus free shipping for me in Michigan.
Hi Erin from Athens, Greece, I always watch your videos with great interest, I just wonder what happens to speaker companies when they are not represented in Europe and it is very difficult for us to locate them, hear them and why not buy them.
In this area, Klipsch and Polk are incredibly consistent...
At some point if possible I would like you to mention it to them, besides I imagine you are not only targeting American viewers in your videos...
Be well and keep on the good job!
I think it’s telling that we didn’t see any floor standing speakers in this video. I’d guess that was due to larger cabinets having resonance issues at the lower price point.
Hello brother i only do have around 400 usd. Do you have any recommendations around that price range?
Erin is the Gold Standard in audio review channels.
Wow, this review supports "for me anyway" that (very good, not excellent mind you) speakers can be had for below $1,000. As for me, based on downsizing to a smaller place I sold off my complete $10K system and replaced it with an approximate $550 integrated amp and the Elac dbr62's. This system provided me 80ish% the refinement, but 95%/ 100% overall listening pleasure to my previous system (maybe this is because of my room, or I'm getting easier to please?!?)
hmm.. interesting.. i didn't see my wharfedale evo 4.2s on the under $2000 either, but maybe i missed the "under $1500 speaker" list... ;)
I watched all of your reviews and ended up getting dbr62. So happy with my purchase, i liked the bump as well around 100 it had.
It will be awesome if you can suggest some good integrated amp or receiver under 1000$ matching dbr62 power needs.
I like the WiiM Amp as long as you don’t need a boatload of power. For most rooms at 10 feet away it should be “adequate” but it won’t rock your socks off if you listen really loudly.
This NAD C 268 is a solid amp that I’ve had good luck recommending as well:
howl.me/clfZeNZfiWG
Thanks for the suggestion Erin! One follow up question.
I do watch movies at loud volume. Currently have paired dbr62 with svs 3000 micro and have set the cross over at 80.
Now that subwoofer is taking off some load, do you think wimm amp will be sufficient? Or going for nad c268 will still make a difference irrespective of having a sub? Thanks in advance.
Can you do $1500 and under towers?
👍 Greatings from Germany ---- Michael
Thanks!
Thank you!
The Kali Audio IN-8 v2 is a studio monitor???
Hey Erin, I've used countless amounts of your videos to learn and understand sound equipment and really fuel my passion for this stuff, how would one go about sending you a speaker to review? Thanks
Hey, thanks for watching. You can send me an email. You should be able to find it on my UA-cam about page.
Presented very well. Have you thought about doing something like this for home theater sound? 5.1, 7,1 7.1.2. I really like your center speaker review. I'm looking for some speakers to put on the ceiling. I'm pretty happy with my 7.1 setup and the speakers I chose. It's not all that, NHT speakers with Energy RVSS for the back. I like silk dome tweeters.
All of these speakers would work well for Home theater. Especially the coaxial ones when it comes to ceiling speakers for Atmos. That’s where their wider vertical distribution really helps out.
I see the man itself beat me to it! I wanted to say, just get the best KEF you can afford for your HT.
Their coaxial drivers design create good horizontal and vertical directivity👍
They are usually easy to EQ also because of that design 😎
@@1337sim1 I was looking at those KEF speakers. Not sure it their tweeters will match up well with my NHT speakers. I was nicely surprised that the Energy speakers for the back matched up really well.
@@anamerican1054 like I said, you can EQ them to your taste.
But personally, I would just start fresh and replace everything with KEF, Genelec, Kali or other coaxial speakers.
If you're patient maybe you could buy used LS50s and slowly replace your speakers everywhere (left, front, center, surrounds, etc)
Those speakers need a good amplifier though. AVR+power amplifiers probably in your case.
Curious about your thoughts regarding the KEF Q350 vs the 150. I hear some people rate them lower and even say that the extra size doesn't contribute to a meaningful increase in bass extension over the smaller speakers, or that the 350 aren't worth the extra money over the 150. Both models tend to go on discount at the same time (although recently I've seen more sales for the 150 than the 350, for whatever reason), and at sale price they're like $100 apart per pair which isn't the worst.
Unfortunately, I don’t have personal experience with the Q350 so I really can’t say.
Good to know your definitions.
A driver in theory is paired with a box of a cirtain volume.
(Sorry no spell check and not my languge.)😢
That air volume of the box can take different shapes.
So the exact same driver and that uses the same air volume but if it has a narower/slimer front baffle but the same height. Then it need to be deper to give the same air volume in the box.🥰
And you meassure the back of the box to the wall distance.
So in the above example the driver will get further from the wall than another box with the same driver and air volume that is wider and/or taller but not that deep.😮
So to be more precice and not dependent that much of the box shape then meassuring from the driver (front baffle) to the wall behind it would be more acurate.🤓
For example Elac had the same speaker in two diffrent shaped boxes there one of them they called "slim" with just slimer front baffle..🤔
So if you talk about a elac model that is comming in two diffrent box shapes then your meassurement back of the box to wall is just apliying to that model you are testing and not the other model of the same speaker..😢
But if you use front bafle to wall distance INSTEAD then that will be more accurate for BOTH of the speaker models.👍
(I know it is little like doing a hen from a fether. But just a improvement thought.)❤
Nice
Thanks!
Thanks for your ideas! You did not rate harmonic distortion, which is for me one of the most important points in selecting chassis/speakers. Not everyone is sensitive for this effect, but if you are, avoid the KEF speakers. I heard this type of coax chassis several times at High End Munich and had the wish to go away instantly, in my ears it sounds "dirty", "distorted", "unclean", especially at higher volumes. I really regret it because I like coaxial constructions a lot and made some "home made" pseudo-coax constructions by myself.
@envisiotube
FYI, actually Erin DOES provide Harmonic Distortion Measurements (and usually IMD as well) in his reviews. If you go to the individual video for each speaker, the Distortion measurements are usually shown.
But if the Distortion Measurements are not included in the Video, they're always in the corresponding Written Review data that is in a Link in the video description, including the Q150.
You can go to Erin's main UA-cam Channel page and search for "KEF" to bring up all of his different KEF speaker reviews.
Not ALL of the KEF speakers have elevated distortion moreso than other non-concentric designs (the R3 & R5 Meta & Blade 2 Meta are extremely low).
And in general the distortion shouldn't be audible for 95% of people at normal listening levels. For most people the Distortion won't even be discernible until they are pushed to almost uncomfortably loud levels. (Check the video for the LS50 Meta)
The potential issue is that the majority of KEF's concentric design loudspeakers use a smallish 5.25" drive unit for both the midrange AND midbass/bass duties.
That's asking A LOT from a fairly small driver that has even more of its pistonic surface or cone area (Sd) stolen by the concentric tweeter, while expecting it to reach significant in-room SPLs, especially in a larger room and/or at greater listening distances
When you use a larger midwoofer for the concentric driver, the frequency at which it starts to beam becomes a determining factor for where you can cross over the tweeter, which might be more detrimental or becomes more problematic when trying to maintain smooth directivity.
The larger cone (6.5" +) also has the potential to create more IMD because there is exponentially more cone area acting as the "waveguide" for the tweeter, and that larger cone modulating those higher frequencies to a greater degree, as well as more +/- excursion of the midwoofer cone to make use of its potential to reproduce lower frequencies.
But then that is somewhat offset by less xmax being required to reach the same SPL compared to a smaller 5.25" cone.
So, it's always a balancing act of trade-offs and compromises, such as coherency & imaging/soundstage vs distortion and maximum SPL capability.
Review the Adam T8V
ASR has a review for the T5V if you're interested. Great FR and directivity, just a bit bright.
I thought you prefered the rp500m II to the rp600m IIs? If it has to do with bass extension i guess having the 500s with a subwoofer would put them ahead the 600s?
Yep. 👍
@@JoseFerreira-zb7wh Steve G. reviewed both and preferred the R200 for bringing a bit more party to the party.
@@bearclaw5115 yes. some prefer the r200, others the r100 but but nobody trashed it. i think most agreed the r100 is a more neutral speaker, so maybe Erin would like it.
14:45 You might double check with Kali, I was told it was the lip of the plastic around the waveguide.
Their SMC model should fix that and will likely be a Genelec killer, minus GLM.
I talked to them about it when I did my original review. If you do the math for a 9kHz wave the first half-wave (cancellation) is at 0.75” which is in line with the physical dimension from the center of the center to the pice of the former that sticks out. And that piece sticks up a good bit.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Now I wonder if you're going to measure the Kali SM coaxes, could be a Genelecs Ones killer 😆
I will send them an email to see if they’d be willing to send a loaner pair for review. 👍
The Santa Monica series are not powered speakers. They are expensive, not available yet and will likely be plagued with QC issues. I'd be more interested in Erin's opinion of some Genelec 8020 or 8030 monitors matched with a Genelec sub.
@@najones They have powered versions of the SMC speakers at their headquarters in Los Angeles. They also have some EQ software for them, but it's not as advanced as Genelec GLM.