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Glad to see some coaxials getting attention. Love them when upgrading to a home theater system because you can use a Mofi or KEF on its side for a center channel and it won't sound broken.
I appreciate the technical details, but for me the most important factor in selecting to buy is: which speakers were more emotionally moving? Which ones are more heart-felt and 'real'? I know these are subjective, but you seem to omit that discussion. I'm considering Dynaudio, because they sounded very engaging. Is that even quantifiable? Maybe you could do a video on it. Also I'm considering the LSA Signature 80's, which are a $1200 pair from a small manufacturer. You would do them a huge favor if you could get them in & do a review.
I tested the MoFi Sourcepoint 8s and the KEF R3 Metas in my room for a couple of weeks. For me, the MoFi's won easily. -The MoFi's have a much more expansive soundstage -The MoFi's sound more natural (voices and instruments). -The low end in the MoFi's was much fuller than the KEFs, to my ears. I did play with positioning, and the MoFi's always sounded more full. The MoFi's just feel so visceral. They feel open and powerful, yet very natural and detailed. In comparison, the KEFs felt timid and without soul. One thing the KEFs have going for them is the imaging. Top notch. But the MoFi's only seemed to be a half notch behind in that regard. Better, even, than the KEFs with some songs. The MoFi's still image very well. I feel confident that I chose the better speakers for my ears, as I actually wanted the KEFs to win. The R3 Metas were my dream speakers, and my girlfriend prefers the look of them. Alas, the MoFi's are in my living room, and damn are they good. Can close my eyes and dissappear in the music.
Thanks for the comparison. If you don't mind answering, what amp are you using with the MoFi 8? I'm considering picking up a pair and wanted to hear some individual experiences regarding power needs.
Great video. Mofi’s are unfortunately at 3800$ here in France ! While the R3 meta are at 2800$. And the Linton 85 at 1500$… So the hierarchy is very much changed !
Wharfedale sure knows how to please the objective crowd on a 'budget', while maintaining that oh so pleasant sound they are known for. Another Wharfedale that does good objectively and subjectively albeit that so-called BBC Dip is the Diamond 12s, that shouldn't be overlooked despite its price. The 12.1s have been measured by Amir and Erin, both had subjectively different opinions, but that great cabinet and pleasant tuning is a great choice for most people. Cant wait for the 12.2s and floorstanding 12.4s to be measured, what the 12.1s do, they do better. Certain Wharfedales are no joke, they certainly perform above their price categories.
What a wonderful video! Erin, you explain things so clearly - and I know this is the kind of ability that only comes from thoroughly understanding your subject.
Great list Erin. I've heard the Linton, the sourcepoint 8, and own the R3 meta. All are very good. The main difference to my ears is neutrality and timbre. Lintons being the warmer and smoother on midrange and highs, Sourcepoint 8 is slightly more neutral but still warm with more neutral highs. The R3 metal is by far the most neutral and sharper in the highs. All three need a sub for fuller bass. Thanks for your excellent for excellent sir.
You stated that most floor standers need a sub. Certainly in the sub $2500 price bracket I would agree. But what is the point of having a floor stander if a sub is needed??? I’ve been of the opinion that a floor stander should be able to function without the need for a sub. With regard to bookshelf speakers, aside from large “retro” designs that have large woofers (10”-12”), they should be designed to be paired with matching subs. There are a few examples of this, but very few and I never understood why this is the case.
@@ccdccd8615Bookshelf speakers require good stands, and typically have worse distortion below 200hz at any given SPL. Even if you’re employing a steep THX filter to your mains, you’ll get better bass performance from 80-200hz with a tower that shares a mid-tweet with the same family of bookie. The R7 is going to sound “fuller” than the R3 for example. Bass below 80hz always going to sound best from your subwoofer that can produce those notes with the lowest levels of distortion at high volume.
Nice list of speakers that are attainable for most hard working folks. I've heard them all outside of the Aura 2..& think they are all pretty good. I ran the Linton's for awhile then replaced them with the R700's. The Polk's have a couple issues but the good outweigh the bad for me...plus i use DSP/PEQ.
I bought, unheard, the SP8’s for the following reasons: * benefits of a concentric design * paper drivers (natural sounding?) * off axis response * overwhelming positive reviews I was considering the Tannoy SGM 10’s but with MoFi’s 25% off, generous return policy and 12 equal payments with no interest, Wow. Take my money! 6 months later I’m still in awe of the SP8s. I’m running the MoFi’s with an Emerson Analog DAC/Streamer and a Nait 50 amp. PS. Erin, your speaker reviews are unparalleled for the non audio techs like me. Thanks.
Got me a pair of Polk r500's. Honestly for its size, slim profile, and general lush musicality. It's one of my favorites. Also own a pair of Focal Kanta 2, and klipsch RF7 III's. Still shocked at my love for the r500 warmth
I got the Elac 403 (well, 403.2) at sub-$2000 and I've been very happy with it. Aesthetics is pertinent to me since I'll be looking at the speakers the whole day and these sure are lookers. R3 Meta is definitely among the top picks but sadly it doesn't fit nearly as well in terms of dimensions (small desk lol). Thank you for the vids!
Thanks for the work you do for audio enthusiasts Erin. There’s a lot of effort put into these vids. I’m old and on a fixed income or I would definitely be a patreon. Sorry buddy. I will support you by using your links if I make any purchases. Your channel should continue to grow & bloom. Great stuff you’re putting out. Your work is greatly appreciated. One of a handful on UA-cam I truly trust for honest, objective data and your personal subjective impressions. 👍🏼🎶😎
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I do put a good bit of time into these videos so I’m glad that it shows. Would suck if someone said it looked like I threw it together. 😂
@@ErinsAudioCorner Yes, it would. You’re welcome sir. Honest, intelligent effort is always rewarded. If I was gonna get any new gear, which I shouldn’t in my circumstances, I would seek out your review of that product. Always let my ears be final judge. I was happy to see you reviewing the Super Dentons. I still want the Lintons, but I don’t need them. I am thinking of saving for a streamer. You know how this audio thing goes. 👊🏽🎶
@@Norman-bone13 If one doesn't like the "bbc dip" there's this magical thing most audiophiles seem allergic to, called EQ! Virtually every system should have EQ, preferably a parametric EQ capable of a good number of bands. This is one reason I'm baffled more people don't use a PC with a good DAC as their primary source, because among other reasons, it is free to have an infinitely powerful and flexible EQ implementation. EQ should also be done in conjunction with taking in-room measurements with a mic and software like REW. EQ is the single most powerful tool for audio that exists, period, and it's effect outweighs many other things people pursue and chase to try and nail the sound they want, by a factor of 10, but they neglect it or think it's not "pure". Sorry but quality DSP EQ implementation (not those old analog 1/3 octave eq boxes from decades ago) has absolutely ZERO negative effects... except to the analog purists enjoying their vinyl with tube amps lol, then it would be blasphemy. People will buy completely different speakers simply because of some aspect of their out-of-the-box frequency response curve.... like, my man, you can change that! You don't go purchasing speakers to change your EQ... you just change your EQ! They'll even buy different speaker wires and interconnects and amplifiers and preamps and dacs all in an effort to affect frequency response... it's dumb.
Great information. These are the kinds of reviews that help people decide what kind of speaker they would be happy with based on the characteristics of how they sound, measure, and the room they will be placed in. I'm not a big measurements guy myself, but it's nice to see why a speaker sounds the way it does from a technical perspective. A very important thing that you talked about was the room, and how that affects whatever speaker you have. Sometimes, a speaker with certain poor measurements may sound great in a particular room and vice versa.
The ascend acoustic Sierra-1v2 has peaked my interest lately. Would be interesting to find out why it was left off the list. Great video by the way Love your content. Thanks.
I sold my Linton 85s for Magnepan .7. I really liked the Lintons but I had to pull them out 3 ft. From the wall in my living room and that didn’t work in my home. The .7Magnepan is a whole different beast for $1,995. I can pick up these dipole speakers and pull them out 6’ into the room and easily pick up these 30 lb. speakers vs the 70 lbs. of the Lintons. Very few reviews are done on Magnepan by youtube reviewers because I assume they aren’t into sending them out for reviews. I did an A -B test of the LRS+ vs the .7s and it wasn’t even close. If you like a detailed, transparent open speaker, it would be hard to beat the .7s. However, you need a powerful amp. I use the Rogue Sphinx v3 integrated amp at 100 watts per channel, so this would be the bare minimum. it
This are my favorites too. And they are beautiful design. Thank you for the review and the measurements are right on. You are the best very knowledgeable . I'm new at this and I'm learning a lot with it. Thanks Erin👌
Nice to see how the well designed coaxials we finally achieve in this day and age usually take the winning spot. KEF, Genelec, Mofi, KS Digital. I love my KEF Reference 3 Meta, will get a R3 Meta as surrounds soon and be happy ever after.
This has to be without question, the best most informative video regarding the 2 front speakers I have ever seen/heard!! 🎉. Good info about the particular speakers but even better for what to look for and listen to when shopping for front LR speakers!!! 🎉 thank you buddy! 🎉. Ps. Any chance for a similar style video but maybe for HT heated speakers? 😊🎉
The r500 are outstanding in their own right. I've got bigger speakers, and more expensive speakers, but there aren't many that can do what the r500 do with their size and profile
@@rasta.j I agree. I enjoyed the sound quality tremendously -- a real bargain for how good they sound, when accompanied by a sub. I did end up trading up one notch to the R600 which I am thrilled with. The R700 would have been just too large for my space, and that's OK because I'm really digging the 600's. Very happy camper!
Enjoying your great videos. I am having a dilema choosing my next speakers. I mainly listen to pop and hip hop music. Which speakers would you recomend? KLH Arendal 1723 THX s Polk Reference 700 And these Mofi you are reviewing. Don’t have the posibility to listen to them so I am trying to get an honest recommendation on a good pair.
Nice summary, Erin. So jealous of some of the pricing you get over there compared to Australia; Pretty much double the US prices, but the worst has to be the Mofi 8s ($2200 incl stands?) Try $6300 here in Oz. Ouch!!
Great list! I’m glad the Lintons made it, they’re such an unbelievable value. Were Philharmonic BMRs close for you? If this was top 10 instead of top 5 would they be on it?
"Don't judge by the data; pick 3 speakers and try them". Yep 👍🏼 I tried Kali IN-8 V2, found it too bright and bassy. Tried BMR Monitor, found it too bass light and poor with imaging. Now it's down to Sierra-1 V2 and Ceramic Mini. 🤞🏼
Thanks for this awesome comparison. I’m torn between Kef R3 meta and SP8. I intend to upgrade the speakers in my current system that consists of Elac UBR62 and Kef Kube 12 sub driven by Roksan Attessa (80 wpc class AB). Source is WiiM Pro and DAC is Geshelli J2. I like the Elacs a lot, but i’ve been noticing their limitations (a little congested with complex music passages and limited top end extension). So, as much is I like the Elacs, I would like to upgrade to speakers that could play music with a greater sense of ease (so that the listenner doesn’t have the feeling that the speaker is strugling, holding back the music) and with a sense of a little more detail/top end extension. I listen at moderate volumes (70 to 80 db) and prefer a little bit of warmth in the midrange, I don’t crave a super analytical sound, just would like to have a little more detail/air/extension. I love the UBR62 pin point imaging, good soundstage and it’s midrange, and wouldn’t want to compromise a lot in those qualities. The speakers stay in the living room (300 sq ft), but I can’t pull the speakers more than 1 foot from the wall (2 small kids). The side walls are further, not a problem. Would the speaker position (1 ft from the back wall) be a “no no” for the sp8? Would the KEF only be a marginal improvement over the Elacs? I live in Brazil and don’t have the opportunity to listen before buying. Sorry for the long msg. Would really aprecciate your 2 cents. 👍🏼
What about the Buchardt s400 mk2? That speaker measured really well didn't it? And I know this is just your personal list.... Just curious why the s400 didn't make it.
Agreed. I think he really likes concentric speakers. The S400 is a beast in the horizontal but probably doesn't pass his test in the vertical. Different needs.
If you search around, Revel F206 can be found under $2500 pr. I love my Polk Reserve's but my Revel's are another level even according to Mr Spinorama.
Great video. I'm not really a numbers guy, but your interpretation of the data is cool, and helps. I have a horrible (asymmetric) listening space, but I'm a dad with a family, so it is what it is. I think, more than anything, a little flexibility in listening position is moving up the list in order of importance for me. The 'head in a vice' perfect sound, isn't my jam. Actually, if i want spousal support, the adjacent lounge chair thing needs to share the sweet spot. So, horizontal spread is good, except for one lively wall (complete with 6 ft mirror) sort of screws that up. Perfection, thankfully, isn't my goal. Maybe I should have bought the Lintons. Oh sure, i'll save money and buy some little stand-mount, then the stands, then a sub....now i'm back to Linton price, doh!
This is a fantastic list, and great for someone looking into their next upgrade (like me!). Thanks for taking the time to do this. Erin, if you can get your hands on them, I'd love to see a review for the new SVS Ultra Evolution Pinnacle and the Titan (I realize they are out of this price point). I also would love to see MartinLogan F2 and XT F100 stack up. The former is in this price point.
Can't wait for you to test the Mofi 888. I'm a DIY guy and think most speakers are stupid overpriced, especially any quality or "audiophile" speakers, the margins are just insane. But KEF and Mofi have an argument for their price, even though I believe they're still overpriced, and that's the fact that you couldn't DIY those speakers even if you wanted to, because their drivers are proprietary and to my knowledge there are no coaxial drivers you can buy of that quality. none of the big pro woofers with compression drivers in the center are of the same kind of quality for example. If someone knows of a product that can match Mofi/KEF type quality (bandwidth, dispersion, smooth crossover, spl...) I'm not aware of please do share. But if I was going to waste... I mean spend... 5k on speakers, the Mofi 888 (or their lower models for 2 and 3k respectively) would be it, and are among very few speakers I could ever justify spending that kind of money on vs going DIY. Maybe a few KEF models might justify their price too idk. But if you're just talking about normal driver formats, you can always build a better speaker for less money going DIY... but they've got something special I can't copy.
I want to try a triple 6 with the 6” SB Acoustics coaxial and 2 of the matching 6” woofers. They are not expensive and I’ve loved their drivers so far. Their is also their higher end Satori coaxial 7”.
@@alexw890 thank you, those do look intriguing and I'll have to research them and look for some builds and measurements! That might be a real competitive option.
@@alexw890You may want to find bass drivers that have underhung vc’s, but with extended LF.. That’s one of the ingredients the 888 has that makes it sound extended but w/ low distortion..
@Artcore103 I've been a DIY speaker enthusiast and builder for many years as well. However, I have also been a cabinet/furniture maker and still have my own fully equipped wood shop. While I 100% agree that you can build an equivalent or better-performing DIY speaker for significantly less than 90% of the commercially available options, the one caveat is usually the quality and actual finish of the cabinets. Building one-off DIY speaker cabinets using high quality materials and high-quality wood veneers and/or painted or stained finishes is NOT inexpensive these days, and it requires a good amount of time and also an investment in proper tools, expendable supplies, and your labor (time is money in some cases). For example, if I was commissioned to build even a basic set of 2-way bookshelf speaker cabinets that I would be willing to attach my name to for a DIY design, my MINIMUM Quote would be AT LEAST $1,200 for materials and labor/time. And even with that, there's very little room for actual profit. Of course, as the size and complexity of the DIY speaker design and cabinet increases, the price will adjust upwards exponentially. To complete a DIY speaker project with a finish to at least the same level as most commercially available speakers selling for ~$2,500 or even half that, one needs to invest a significant amount of money in the proper tools and expendable materials, as well as having the space or place to perform their construction. And not everyone is in the position to do any of this, especially as a one-off project. Yes, building DIY cabinets/enclosures allows you to put more thought and implementation into proper bracing and resonance control as well as custom finishes compared to most commercially available loudspeakers at the same price point. But again, one must possess the tools, space, skill, and time necessary to complete such a project successfully and to acceptable standards. Regarding good "raw" DIY Coaxial Drivers that are readily available to the public, if you aren't averse to using DSP and EQ, I would look into the BMS 5CN162-HE, which is a 5" cone midrange with an integrated coaxial HF compression driver. The HF compression driver obviously has high sensitivity and is incredibly dynamic. The "throat" of the compression driver is very smoothly integrated and transitioned to the midrange cone, which of course acts as the waveguide. Ideally, you keep the 5" midrange High Pass Filter above ~ 250-300Hz in order to minimize cone excursion and potential IMD at higher SPLs. These BMS drivers are reasonably priced as well. Just know that the High Frequency will require significant level matching to the midrange and quite a bit of corrective PEQ to smooth the response, (preferably with a good multi-channel DSP), as well as extra individual amplifier channels to power each driver. I built a custom 3-way active DIY "studio monitor" pair using these BMS concentric drivers combined with the very affordable 10" Ciare HW251N woofers, which offer excellent performance, especially at their price point. It helped that I actually got the idea for this project and this specific driver combination from Erin himself, and actually purchased the first pair of 10" Ciare drivers directly from Erin, as he was formerly using this EXACT combination of drivers in his own high end CAR AUDIO SYSTEM, LOL! You KNOW that a guy is a full-on SQ nut when they use 10" pro audio midbass drivers in custom fabricated front kickpanel pods in their small CAR combined with 5" coaxial midrange/HF compression drivers installed in custom fabricated pods above the dash in custom A-pillars! 😛 Erin's install using these drivers in his car are documented on the DIY Mobile Audio Forums in Erin's 2006 Honda Civic "Neverending Tale" Build Log. This daily driver vehicle was essentially Erin's "Test Mule" and went through many, many system iterations and versions over the years using all types of raw high end home audio and car audio drive units, including Scanspeak 18WU Illuminator midwoofers, Scanspeak Beryllium Tweeters, Dynaudio Esotar2 430 midrange drivers, the KEF Q150 & Q300 concentric midrange/tweeter drivers, and DUAL 15" Acoustic Elegance IB15 subwoofers, as well as the huge multi-channel McIntosh MC4000M car audio amplifier, and much, much more! In my case, my custom 3-way DIY project using the BMS concentric and Ciare midwoofer drivers replaced a pair of very good ATC SCM25A active studio monitors in my home studio with no regrets. And even with the added cost of a multi-channel DSP unit for applying & adjusting custom X/Os, Phase, Levels, PEQ, and Time Alignment (miniDSP C-DSP 8x12 DL), as well as the extra necessary amplifier channels, I still came out way ahead in terms of cost AND performance compared to the ATCs. However, these DIY studio monitors just have a very basic matte black painted finish, as I only intended them to be used in my home studio, so not a lot of $ was spent trying to achieve a high quality finish or WAF aesthetics. All to say that building DIY loudspeakers CAN potentially offer better performance for the money, BUT with some caveats. IF you have the time, workspace, tools, and initiative to complete such projects, DIY is a no-brainer. But for first-time DIY'ers, YMMV. Purchasing a tested and proven DIY loudspeaker design or DIY Kit can help to alleviate any variables and uncertainties for noob DIY'ers. But the majority of Hi-Fi enthusiasts just don't have the time, workspace, skills, or tools necessary to make a DIY project a worthwhile endeavor. And therefore, the MoFi SourcePoint 888 that you mentioned are indeed an incredible value for money and for many. As you also mentioned, for quite a bit less the SourcePoint 8 stand-mount speakers combined with a decent ~ $500 DIY Subwoofer with a plate amp would be an excellent alternative IMO. YMMV
Great video. I learned something new, which is why I watch in the first place. Keep it up! My favorite part…“For those of you who are micro-correcting me”.😂😂😂
Hey Erin, could I recommend lowering the threshold on your gate a bit? It seems to be "eating" the end of some of the words and phrases you are speaking, and we lose consonants on your words. Makes it difficult to understand what you're saying sometimes without turning the volume up quite a bit. Just a suggestion :) Thank you as always for putting out great videos like this one!
Yessir. I noticed this when I was editing and tried to fix a few spots. I had moved my mic up a bit and forgot to put it back down toward me which made the gate even more noticeable. But I corrected it last night and I think it should be good now. But thanks for pointing that out.
Kind of smart design from kef for the none audiophile (whichp Most ppl are). Common people like to put their speakers close to the wall and pointed straight in the room. Most modern room have a lot of windows. I think this speaker will do well for many ppl. Thanks for sharing 👍
The audio of this video is a bit of a speaker test in itself. If you can hear the "voice isolation" plug in gate threshold ever so slightly interfering with Erin's dialogue (like at the end of sentences when he starts to get a little quieter), then you have at the very least some decent speakers, set up the right way, in a reasonably good environment. The better your listening situation, the more you'll be able to hear this.
What would your top 5 be for home theater? A full on 5.x.4 setup with matching speakers, and 9 Mofi source points are a cop out 😂. Atmos could be on-wall like svs elevations, or in ceiling but the caveat is all matching brands, mixing levels of speakers from the same brand is permissible. I would guess a Kef R Meta setup bc of the center channel, but svs center channels hav good dispersion characteristics too. I was just curious after watching this
13:15 It would work ok in my room as my current speakers have lots of 40-50Hz reinforcement from the room which I EQ down. But there are also nulls so the KEF would be even less bassy in such regions.
Maybe I'm crazy but i have both the R3 Meta and the Sourcepoint 8s and I think the SCP-8s play deeper than the KEFs. Maybe I'll try and compare them again. I am using a sub but I have them crossed over at 55. The subs that is my preamp doesn't highpass. I'm a little mad because I do like the soundstage on the Mofis a tad better than the KEFs but I wanted to like the KEFs better because they look so sweet in Indigo blue. I'd be more fine with the R3s if I didn't have the SC-8 or they went missing. But with them both in the house, I have to with the 8s in my 2 channel room and moved the R3Ms to the living room. I am thinking about getting a single Sourcepoint 8 from Crutchfield and putting the 3 in my theater but I am not sure what surrounds to use. If I do go that route I can put the R3 Metas back in the music room.
I think the 8's would make a great center channel with that very even dispersion on both axis. But they would be difficult to use a surrounds because of their size and need for space from the walls. Thanks for your views on these two speakers.
@@bearclaw5115 Oh, nooo. I wouldn't use 8s as side surrounds. My theater is too narrow. At the same time, I don't what speakers I could use as side surrounds that would be close to a tonal match to the 8s
Hi, thank you for ranking I am happy the mofi von because I am considering them, as well I belive r3 meta is great. What I am suprised is that no one of them was bitten by arendal monitor s thx or txs. Or didint you include tham in ranking because they are customer direct sold and it would be unfair? Or they are simply not as good as mofi and kef?
Do the MoFi SP Triple 8’s give off that same 60 degree horizontal and vertical soundstage like the single 8? My other considerations for towers are: SVS Ultra Evo Towers, Dali Oberon 9, Paradigm 800F, and KEF Q11 Meta, all of which are around the same price ballpark. Thanks for the video!
Great video, question for you! Zero’d in on KEF because of their center speaker being better for my space. Do you still recommend the R3 Meta for a home theater application in a fairly large space? I like that it does well near wall. 15 x 23 listening area (8 to 9 foot tall ceilings) where the listening position is about 15 feet from the speakers. Speakers would be about 11 feet a part. The back left side of the room is opened up to another 12 x 12 space. I’m trying to understand when it makes sense to move up to the R7 or R11. I hope you see this comment! Thanks!
How do the Aura 2 compare to the Lintons? In this video the Lintons seem to rate better, may I ask which characteristics moved you to give the Lintons a better rate? I found a nice offer on both and can't make up my mind
Either are a great choice. Objectively, I think the AURA 2 is better. But the overall look and lower price of the Linton is what draws me more to it. If you do wind up buying either, please consider using my affiliate link as it earns me a small commission at no additional cost to you.
Here's the bottom line in the best damn speakers you could ever buy. To be used as right left in center channel in your home theater system and then I'll give you the rear channels that I'm using in one couldn't be happier with this setup. French LCR is the Klipsch heritage f o r t e model 3 all three channels. Rear channels are the Klipsch 8060FA. The amplifier used belches out 250 watts per channel across the landscape up to 11 channels. It's only using 5 channels I'm getting 290 watch 8 ohms at 5 channels. The room is rectangle 50 ft long 35 ft wide what's 12 ft ceilings flat ceiling. OMG guys it sounds so freaking good. In the cross with fairly inexpensive because the f o r t e model 3s are quite similar to the f o r t e model 4 when the bonus is that they still have their 10-year warranties intact . New subwoofer necessary. Pounding concrete extraordinarily fine bass response
Hey Erin, can you please review a GoldenEar product? Either the t66 or the triton reference towers? Very curious regarding their performance in your eyes comparing to other speakers you’ve listened to
First of all thanks for your sharing. I wonder would you be able to add the testing frequency to higher level like 50k because a lot of the speakers can produce above 20k now and for hi-Res classify must able to support above 20k
thanks erin That's a great comparison🤩! I'm still debating between the kef r3 meta and the MoFi SourcePoint 8,I heard both of them and I really liked them, but it's hard to decide when they are in completely different rooms...I'm thinking of maybe trying to assemble the gr research nx studio monitors I have heard good things about them from people who have them and in any case I will add subs to my system...Have you ever heard of them? I will probably wait for AXXESS L1 AND THE PS AUDIO FR5 speakers to make a final decision🤠
If I were you, I would find a retailer that has a good return policy and order both. Test them out in your room and different positions and see what you find you prefer more. One of my patrons the Kef over the MOFI for different reasons. my opinion is certainly not the final authority. 👍
Might I suggest you try the CSS Audio 1-TDX with the upgraded crossovers. I did a quick search on your videos and didn't see any CSS products. I find mine to be amazing and my family that could care less about audio regularly goes "Wow!". I will say that I find their stated numbers on sensitivity to be ambitious. My pair were good with a Yamaha AV receiver but when I put monoblocs on them they just came alive. IMO they destroy my JBL L100s.
If we dont have a subwoofer, does the KEF R3 win? I might be wrong, but imagine most music only listeners do not use a sub as they are more sold for HT.
Great stuff man, I already knew you fancied the mofi 8 but it was great to hear you talk about it in comparison to the other top choices in the price bracket That being said is there really anything the kef has going for it relative to the mofi? Especially if the mofi is cheaper, has wider dispersion and they both need a sub anyways?
I mentioned em in the video. Two things: 1) The KEF’s more narrow radiation may be a benefit to some rooms. 2) The ability to place the KEF very close to the wall. The KEF is also a bit more linear IIRC. But I’d have to double check.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Awesome thanks! Yeah I see what you mean it sounds like the kef would work awesome in a desktop situation up near a wall, whereas the mofi might perform better in a medium to large room with proper wall spacing and treatment
@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks for the response. I appreciate speaker review style and detailed information. I look forward to seeing your review, if I can wait...😁
They’re quite different so there wouldn’t be much overlap. Seriously. They both sound different tonally and spatially. And if you buy both, please consider using my affiliate link. LOL
@@ErinsAudioCorner ahh ok. i got the BMRs for that reason. Really wide room and the dispersion is a great combo to get good audio from living room to kitche. appreciate your perspective
I knew the R3, Aura 2, and Lintons were going to be on the list. Was pleasantly surprised by the Polk R5s as I have them as my front L&R in my home theatre. Absolutely love them!
Isnt room treatment to reduce the speaker interaction with the room. not to correct the speaker. Basically all rooms have problems, treating the bass, reflections, etc will reduce the room's interaction with your speakers
Wasn't sure where to place this comment, because it's unrelated specifically to any of your videos, but I saw a comment on facebook recommending Caladan OB speakers. I did some looking and found a review at New Record Day, and I believe that the speakers probably sound amazing, but it's hard to take the guy seriously when he's always talking about Danny at GR Research, who is known to promote all kinds of snake oil. I am interested in performance of the OB speakers though. Any way you could do a video on these, or a video on exploring the benefits of OB in general? I'm curious about how they measure.
Im making a dumb guess that aroud 80% of people who buy speakers are adding them to a home theater system. It would be very nice to review how a speaker responds in that setting. Thank you.
The real question is what's the difference between Andrew Jones' MoFi & 8" coaxial speakers from long established Tannoy & Fyne? What's his secret sauce? Are there Tannoy or Fyne 8" bargains out there? Inquiring minds need to know.
A video i would love is about old gems that can be found on marketplace at low cost. I have a whole set of old Infinity Interludes (early 2000's). I looked everyday for them at decent prices and built my whole 7.1 set of them at a very low cost by looking everyday. Im sure theres a lot of other old gems that i dont know about. Would be great to have your opinion on these.
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Glad to see some coaxials getting attention. Love them when upgrading to a home theater system because you can use a Mofi or KEF on its side for a center channel and it won't sound broken.
Surprised to not see the BMR. At a listening event it was the runaway favorite over every speaker, including the R3.
Any subwoofer or pair of sub woofers you can recommend that will integrate well with the scourcepoint 8 under $1500 total?
I appreciate the technical details, but for me the most important factor in selecting to buy is: which speakers were more emotionally moving? Which ones are more heart-felt and 'real'? I know these are subjective, but you seem to omit that discussion. I'm considering Dynaudio, because they sounded very engaging. Is that even quantifiable? Maybe you could do a video on it. Also I'm considering the LSA Signature 80's, which are a $1200 pair from a small manufacturer. You would do them a huge favor if you could get them in & do a review.
Why Polk R500 and not R700?
I tested the MoFi Sourcepoint 8s and the KEF R3 Metas in my room for a couple of weeks. For me, the MoFi's won easily.
-The MoFi's have a much more expansive soundstage
-The MoFi's sound more natural (voices and instruments).
-The low end in the MoFi's was much fuller than the KEFs, to my ears. I did play with positioning, and the MoFi's always sounded more full.
The MoFi's just feel so visceral. They feel open and powerful, yet very natural and detailed. In comparison, the KEFs felt timid and without soul.
One thing the KEFs have going for them is the imaging. Top notch. But the MoFi's only seemed to be a half notch behind in that regard. Better, even, than the KEFs with some songs. The MoFi's still image very well.
I feel confident that I chose the better speakers for my ears, as I actually wanted the KEFs to win. The R3 Metas were my dream speakers, and my girlfriend prefers the look of them. Alas, the MoFi's are in my living room, and damn are they good. Can close my eyes and dissappear in the music.
Appreciate the real-world experience and comparison. And happy that you found the right ones for your preferences and enjoyment. :)
Thanks for the comparison.
If you don't mind answering, what amp are you using with the MoFi 8?
I'm considering picking up a pair and wanted to hear some individual experiences regarding power needs.
Yo man which amp are you using to drive the mofi ?
Great video. Mofi’s are unfortunately at 3800$ here in France ! While the R3 meta are at 2800$. And the Linton 85 at 1500$… So the hierarchy is very much changed !
Wharfedale sure knows how to please the objective crowd on a 'budget', while maintaining that oh so pleasant sound they are known for. Another Wharfedale that does good objectively and subjectively albeit that so-called BBC Dip is the Diamond 12s, that shouldn't be overlooked despite its price. The 12.1s have been measured by Amir and Erin, both had subjectively different opinions, but that great cabinet and pleasant tuning is a great choice for most people. Cant wait for the 12.2s and floorstanding 12.4s to be measured, what the 12.1s do, they do better. Certain Wharfedales are no joke, they certainly perform above their price categories.
What a wonderful video! Erin, you explain things so clearly - and I know this is the kind of ability that only comes from thoroughly understanding your subject.
Thank you so much!
I love how you talk about how each speaker is right for a specific situation or listening preference.
Great list Erin. I've heard the Linton, the sourcepoint 8, and own the R3 meta. All are very good. The main difference to my ears is neutrality and timbre. Lintons being the warmer and smoother on midrange and highs, Sourcepoint 8 is slightly more neutral but still warm with more neutral highs. The R3 metal is by far the most neutral and sharper in the highs. All three need a sub for fuller bass. Thanks for your excellent for excellent sir.
Thanks for sharing with everyone. The more opinions the better.
You stated that most floor standers need a sub. Certainly in the sub $2500 price bracket I would agree. But what is the point of having a floor stander if a sub is needed??? I’ve been of the opinion that a floor stander should be able to function without the need for a sub. With regard to bookshelf speakers, aside from large “retro” designs that have large woofers (10”-12”), they should be designed to be paired with matching subs. There are a few examples of this, but very few and I never understood why this is the case.
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If you want to hear/feel the entire frequency range of your music every speaker needs a sub or 2.
@@ccdccd8615Bookshelf speakers require good stands, and typically have worse distortion below 200hz at any given SPL. Even if you’re employing a steep THX filter to your mains, you’ll get better bass performance from 80-200hz with a tower that shares a mid-tweet with the same family of bookie. The R7 is going to sound “fuller” than the R3 for example. Bass below 80hz always going to sound best from your subwoofer that can produce those notes with the lowest levels of distortion at high volume.
Nice list of speakers that are attainable for most hard working folks. I've heard them all outside of the Aura 2..& think they are all pretty good. I ran the Linton's for awhile then replaced them with the R700's. The Polk's have a couple issues but the good outweigh the bad for me...plus i use DSP/PEQ.
I bought, unheard, the SP8’s for the following reasons:
* benefits of a concentric design
* paper drivers (natural sounding?)
* off axis response
* overwhelming positive reviews
I was considering the Tannoy SGM 10’s but with MoFi’s 25% off, generous return policy and 12 equal payments with no interest, Wow. Take my money!
6 months later I’m still in awe of the SP8s.
I’m running the MoFi’s with an Emerson Analog DAC/Streamer and a Nait 50 amp.
PS. Erin, your speaker reviews are unparalleled for the non audio techs like me.
Thanks.
Got me a pair of Polk r500's.
Honestly for its size, slim profile, and general lush musicality. It's one of my favorites.
Also own a pair of Focal Kanta 2, and klipsch RF7 III's. Still shocked at my love for the r500 warmth
I loved the R500, when with a sub. Great sound, nice solid cabinet for the money.
My buddy’s got some r3 meta & right away told him I’d be getting myself a pair as well.
I got the Elac 403 (well, 403.2) at sub-$2000 and I've been very happy with it. Aesthetics is pertinent to me since I'll be looking at the speakers the whole day and these sure are lookers. R3 Meta is definitely among the top picks but sadly it doesn't fit nearly as well in terms of dimensions (small desk lol). Thank you for the vids!
Thanks for the work you do for audio enthusiasts Erin. There’s a lot of effort put into these vids. I’m old and on a fixed income or I would definitely be a patreon. Sorry buddy. I will support you by using your links if I make any purchases. Your channel should continue to grow & bloom. Great stuff you’re putting out. Your work is greatly appreciated. One of a handful on UA-cam I truly trust for honest, objective data and your personal subjective impressions. 👍🏼🎶😎
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I do put a good bit of time into these videos so I’m glad that it shows. Would suck if someone said it looked like I threw it together. 😂
@@ErinsAudioCorner Yes, it would.
You’re welcome sir. Honest, intelligent effort is always rewarded. If I was gonna get any new gear, which I shouldn’t in my circumstances, I would seek out your review of that product. Always let my ears be final judge. I was happy to see you reviewing the Super Dentons. I still want the Lintons, but I don’t need them. I am thinking of saving for a streamer. You know how this audio thing goes. 👊🏽🎶
@@Norman-bone13 If one doesn't like the "bbc dip" there's this magical thing most audiophiles seem allergic to, called EQ! Virtually every system should have EQ, preferably a parametric EQ capable of a good number of bands. This is one reason I'm baffled more people don't use a PC with a good DAC as their primary source, because among other reasons, it is free to have an infinitely powerful and flexible EQ implementation. EQ should also be done in conjunction with taking in-room measurements with a mic and software like REW. EQ is the single most powerful tool for audio that exists, period, and it's effect outweighs many other things people pursue and chase to try and nail the sound they want, by a factor of 10, but they neglect it or think it's not "pure". Sorry but quality DSP EQ implementation (not those old analog 1/3 octave eq boxes from decades ago) has absolutely ZERO negative effects... except to the analog purists enjoying their vinyl with tube amps lol, then it would be blasphemy. People will buy completely different speakers simply because of some aspect of their out-of-the-box frequency response curve.... like, my man, you can change that! You don't go purchasing speakers to change your EQ... you just change your EQ! They'll even buy different speaker wires and interconnects and amplifiers and preamps and dacs all in an effort to affect frequency response... it's dumb.
I've been eyeballing both those Wharfedals - I like AMTs so leaning AURA. Now I need to find some to listen to.
Great information. These are the kinds of reviews that help people decide what kind of speaker they would be happy with based on the characteristics of how they sound, measure, and the room they will be placed in. I'm not a big measurements guy myself, but it's nice to see why a speaker sounds the way it does from a technical perspective. A very important thing that you talked about was the room, and how that affects whatever speaker you have. Sometimes, a speaker with certain poor measurements may sound great in a particular room and vice versa.
The ascend acoustic Sierra-1v2 has peaked my interest lately. Would be interesting to find out why it was left off the list. Great video by the way Love your content. Thanks.
Those and the Buchardt S400 MK2 should be on this list
Picked up the 8s a few weeks back. Love em. They are fun and make it easier for me to turn my brain off hifi.
I sold my Linton 85s for Magnepan .7. I really liked the Lintons but I had to pull them out 3 ft. From the wall in my living room and that didn’t work in my home. The .7Magnepan is a whole different beast for $1,995. I can pick up these dipole speakers and pull them out 6’ into the room and easily pick up these 30 lb. speakers vs the 70 lbs. of the Lintons. Very few reviews are done on Magnepan by youtube reviewers because I assume they aren’t into sending them out for reviews. I did an A -B test of the LRS+ vs the .7s and it wasn’t even close. If you like a detailed, transparent open speaker, it would be hard to beat the .7s. However, you need a powerful amp. I use the Rogue Sphinx v3 integrated amp at 100 watts per channel, so this would be the bare minimum.
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I have the 1.7’s and am obsessed with them. I didn’t realize prices had gone up so much, I got my pair for $1995 from an AD about 5 years ago.
Hi Erin, how would rate Wharfedale EVO4.2 against Wharfedale AURA 2? Thanks, Or can you make a video of top five speakers under $1500 MSRP?
This are my favorites too. And they are beautiful design. Thank you for the review and the measurements are right on. You are the best very knowledgeable . I'm new at this and I'm learning a lot with it. Thanks Erin👌
Your explanation for the R3 wall placement was very helpful. Thanks for sharing that insight.
Long term Linton owners feeling good right now 😂
@@Pete.across.the.street Hah!
Bought 3 months ago couldn’t be happier. Sounds good looks awesome too❤
@@Pete.across.the.street I swapped my Lintons with Q-acoustic 5040's. I had to relinquish the audiophile-card I carried, but don't care:)
@@Bob.martenshow different is 5040 to linton?
in terms of tonality and overall performance?
Excellent list! Personally a huge Wharfedale fan so I'm smiling! Haven't heard the mofi stuff but hopefully someday. Cheers!
Erin you're one if my favorites when reviewing speakers, so thanks for all you do!
Greetings from Denmark. /Chris.
Wow, thank you!
Nice to see how the well designed coaxials we finally achieve in this day and age usually take the winning spot. KEF, Genelec, Mofi, KS Digital. I love my KEF Reference 3 Meta, will get a R3 Meta as surrounds soon and be happy ever after.
This has to be without question, the best most informative video regarding the 2 front speakers I have ever seen/heard!! 🎉. Good info about the particular speakers but even better for what to look for and listen to when shopping for front LR speakers!!! 🎉 thank you buddy! 🎉. Ps. Any chance for a similar style video but maybe for HT heated speakers? 😊🎉
Surprised you chose the R500's over the R700's for about $2200/pr. Solid list though, thanks for your content.
I haven’t personally reviewed the R700. Not for a lack of trying, though. I’ve asked many times.
@@ErinsAudioCornerahhh, if they weren't so dang heavy I'd let you borrow mine. Road trip to Colorado? 😂
I’ve got the 700’s, they are “all that” and much more!
The r500 are outstanding in their own right. I've got bigger speakers, and more expensive speakers, but there aren't many that can do what the r500 do with their size and profile
@@rasta.j I agree. I enjoyed the sound quality tremendously -- a real bargain for how good they sound, when accompanied by a sub. I did end up trading up one notch to the R600 which I am thrilled with. The R700 would have been just too large for my space, and that's OK because I'm really digging the 600's. Very happy camper!
Any plans to review more ascend acoustics offerings with the RAAL tweeters? They seem , from measurements, to perform similarly to Philharmonic BMRs
Enjoying your great videos. I am having a dilema choosing my next speakers. I mainly listen to pop and hip hop music. Which speakers would you recomend?
KLH
Arendal 1723 THX s
Polk Reference 700
And these Mofi you are reviewing.
Don’t have the posibility to listen to them so I am trying to get an honest recommendation on a good pair.
Nice summary, Erin. So jealous of some of the pricing you get over there compared to Australia;
Pretty much double the US prices, but the worst has to be the Mofi 8s ($2200 incl stands?) Try $6300 here in Oz. Ouch!!
Thanks Erin.. Love this type of video from you.. cant wait till you start doing more Home Theater Centric speaker reviews.. including Atmos!
Love these kinds of videos especially with measurements! Thanks
Glad you like them!
Very happy that Wharfedale not in made it in there, but made it in there twice!!
I bought the R3 but not the matching stands. The price on those is nuts. The Linton's is way more reasonable and practical.
Thank you Erin!
Great list! I’m glad the Lintons made it, they’re such an unbelievable value.
Were Philharmonic BMRs close for you? If this was top 10 instead of top 5 would they be on it?
Yes, they would be in the top 10.
"Don't judge by the data; pick 3 speakers and try them". Yep 👍🏼 I tried Kali IN-8 V2, found it too bright and bassy. Tried BMR Monitor, found it too bass light and poor with imaging. Now it's down to Sierra-1 V2 and Ceramic Mini. 🤞🏼
Hi Erin
What is your opinion of the Polk R700? Comparing this models for a living room.
I haven’t heard that one yet. I’ve been trying to get a pair in full review but so far no luck.
Thanks for this awesome comparison. I’m torn between Kef R3 meta and SP8.
I intend to upgrade the speakers in my current system that consists of Elac UBR62 and Kef Kube 12 sub driven by Roksan Attessa (80 wpc class AB). Source is WiiM Pro and DAC is Geshelli J2.
I like the Elacs a lot, but i’ve been noticing their limitations (a little congested with complex music passages and limited top end extension).
So, as much is I like the Elacs, I would like to upgrade to speakers that could play music with a greater sense of ease (so that the listenner doesn’t have the feeling that the speaker is strugling, holding back the music) and with a sense of a little more detail/top end extension.
I listen at moderate volumes (70 to 80 db) and prefer a little bit of warmth in the midrange, I don’t crave a super analytical sound, just would like to have a little more detail/air/extension.
I love the UBR62 pin point imaging, good soundstage and it’s midrange, and wouldn’t want to compromise a lot in those qualities.
The speakers stay in the living room (300 sq ft), but I can’t pull the speakers more than 1 foot from the wall (2 small kids). The side walls are further, not a problem.
Would the speaker position (1 ft from the back wall) be a “no no” for the sp8? Would the KEF only be a marginal improvement over the Elacs?
I live in Brazil and don’t have the opportunity to listen before buying. Sorry for the long msg. Would really aprecciate your 2 cents. 👍🏼
I was hoping for 1 wharfedsle and that the morel avyra might make the list .. overall we have such great options available in this budget range.
What about the Buchardt s400 mk2? That speaker measured really well didn't it?
And I know this is just your personal list.... Just curious why the s400 didn't make it.
Agreed. I think he really likes concentric speakers. The S400 is a beast in the horizontal but probably doesn't pass his test in the vertical. Different needs.
I would add one more for a top six, which is the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 V2.
It’s a good one.
If you search around, Revel F206 can be found under $2500 pr. I love my Polk Reserve's but my Revel's are another level even according to Mr Spinorama.
Great video. I'm not really a numbers guy, but your interpretation of the data is cool, and helps. I have a horrible (asymmetric) listening space, but I'm a dad with a family, so it is what it is. I think, more than anything, a little flexibility in listening position is moving up the list in order of importance for me. The 'head in a vice' perfect sound, isn't my jam. Actually, if i want spousal support, the adjacent lounge chair thing needs to share the sweet spot. So, horizontal spread is good, except for one lively wall (complete with 6 ft mirror) sort of screws that up. Perfection, thankfully, isn't my goal. Maybe I should have bought the Lintons. Oh sure, i'll save money and buy some little stand-mount, then the stands, then a sub....now i'm back to Linton price, doh!
Ooh. I wish you made a review of JBL 4309. Got them in my viewfinder with one of the speaker pairs you mentioned in this list.
This is a fantastic list, and great for someone looking into their next upgrade (like me!). Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Erin, if you can get your hands on them, I'd love to see a review for the new SVS Ultra Evolution Pinnacle and the Titan (I realize they are out of this price point).
I also would love to see MartinLogan F2 and XT F100 stack up. The former is in this price point.
Can't wait for you to test the Mofi 888. I'm a DIY guy and think most speakers are stupid overpriced, especially any quality or "audiophile" speakers, the margins are just insane. But KEF and Mofi have an argument for their price, even though I believe they're still overpriced, and that's the fact that you couldn't DIY those speakers even if you wanted to, because their drivers are proprietary and to my knowledge there are no coaxial drivers you can buy of that quality. none of the big pro woofers with compression drivers in the center are of the same kind of quality for example. If someone knows of a product that can match Mofi/KEF type quality (bandwidth, dispersion, smooth crossover, spl...) I'm not aware of please do share. But if I was going to waste... I mean spend... 5k on speakers, the Mofi 888 (or their lower models for 2 and 3k respectively) would be it, and are among very few speakers I could ever justify spending that kind of money on vs going DIY. Maybe a few KEF models might justify their price too idk. But if you're just talking about normal driver formats, you can always build a better speaker for less money going DIY... but they've got something special I can't copy.
I want to try a triple 6 with the 6” SB Acoustics coaxial and 2 of the matching 6” woofers. They are not expensive and I’ve loved their drivers so far. Their is also their higher end Satori coaxial 7”.
@@alexw890 thank you, those do look intriguing and I'll have to research them and look for some builds and measurements! That might be a real competitive option.
@@Artcore103 I will eventually design a pair. I just need someone to commission them.
@@alexw890You may want to find bass drivers that have underhung vc’s, but with extended LF.. That’s one of the ingredients the 888 has that makes it sound extended but w/ low distortion..
@Artcore103
I've been a DIY speaker enthusiast and builder for many years as well. However, I have also been a cabinet/furniture maker and still have my own fully equipped wood shop.
While I 100% agree that you can build an equivalent or better-performing DIY speaker for significantly less than 90% of the commercially available options, the one caveat is usually the quality and actual finish of the cabinets.
Building one-off DIY speaker cabinets using high quality materials and high-quality wood veneers and/or painted or stained finishes is NOT inexpensive these days, and it requires a good amount of time and also an investment in proper tools, expendable supplies, and your labor (time is money in some cases).
For example, if I was commissioned to build even a basic set of 2-way bookshelf speaker cabinets that I would be willing to attach my name to for a DIY design, my MINIMUM Quote would be AT LEAST $1,200 for materials and labor/time. And even with that, there's very little room for actual profit.
Of course, as the size and complexity of the DIY speaker design and cabinet increases, the price will adjust upwards exponentially.
To complete a DIY speaker project with a finish to at least the same level as most commercially available speakers selling for ~$2,500 or even half that, one needs to invest a significant amount of money in the proper tools and expendable materials, as well as having the space or place to perform their construction. And not everyone is in the position to do any of this, especially as a one-off project.
Yes, building DIY cabinets/enclosures allows you to put more thought and implementation into proper bracing and resonance control as well as custom finishes compared to most commercially available loudspeakers at the same price point.
But again, one must possess the tools, space, skill, and time necessary to complete such a project successfully and to acceptable standards.
Regarding good "raw" DIY Coaxial Drivers that are readily available to the public, if you aren't averse to using DSP and EQ, I would look into the BMS 5CN162-HE, which is a 5" cone midrange with an integrated coaxial HF compression driver.
The HF compression driver obviously has high sensitivity and is incredibly dynamic. The "throat" of the compression driver is very smoothly integrated and transitioned to the midrange cone, which of course acts as the waveguide.
Ideally, you keep the 5" midrange High Pass Filter above ~ 250-300Hz in order to minimize cone excursion and potential IMD at higher SPLs.
These BMS drivers are reasonably priced as well. Just know that the High Frequency will require significant level matching to the midrange and quite a bit of corrective PEQ to smooth the response, (preferably with a good multi-channel DSP), as well as extra individual amplifier channels to power each driver.
I built a custom 3-way active DIY "studio monitor" pair using these BMS concentric drivers combined with the very affordable 10" Ciare HW251N woofers, which offer excellent performance, especially at their price point.
It helped that I actually got the idea for this project and this specific driver combination from Erin himself, and actually purchased the first pair of 10" Ciare drivers directly from Erin, as he was formerly using this EXACT combination of drivers in his own high end CAR AUDIO SYSTEM, LOL!
You KNOW that a guy is a full-on SQ nut when they use 10" pro audio midbass drivers in custom fabricated front kickpanel pods in their small CAR combined with 5" coaxial midrange/HF compression drivers installed in custom fabricated pods above the dash in custom A-pillars! 😛
Erin's install using these drivers in his car are documented on the DIY Mobile Audio Forums in Erin's 2006 Honda Civic "Neverending Tale" Build Log.
This daily driver vehicle was essentially Erin's "Test Mule" and went through many, many system iterations and versions over the years using all types of raw high end home audio and car audio drive units, including Scanspeak 18WU Illuminator midwoofers, Scanspeak Beryllium Tweeters, Dynaudio Esotar2 430 midrange drivers, the KEF Q150 & Q300 concentric midrange/tweeter drivers, and DUAL 15" Acoustic Elegance IB15 subwoofers, as well as the huge multi-channel McIntosh MC4000M car audio amplifier, and much, much more!
In my case, my custom 3-way DIY project using the BMS concentric and Ciare midwoofer drivers replaced a pair of very good ATC SCM25A active studio monitors in my home studio with no regrets.
And even with the added cost of a multi-channel DSP unit for applying & adjusting custom X/Os, Phase, Levels, PEQ, and Time Alignment (miniDSP C-DSP 8x12 DL), as well as the extra necessary amplifier channels, I still came out way ahead in terms of cost AND performance compared to the ATCs.
However, these DIY studio monitors just have a very basic matte black painted finish, as I only intended them to be used in my home studio, so not a lot of $ was spent trying to achieve a high quality finish or WAF aesthetics.
All to say that building DIY loudspeakers CAN potentially offer better performance for the money, BUT with some caveats.
IF you have the time, workspace, tools, and initiative to complete such projects, DIY is a no-brainer. But for first-time DIY'ers, YMMV. Purchasing a tested and proven DIY loudspeaker design or DIY Kit can help to alleviate any variables and uncertainties for noob DIY'ers.
But the majority of Hi-Fi enthusiasts just don't have the time, workspace, skills, or tools necessary to make a DIY project a worthwhile endeavor.
And therefore, the MoFi SourcePoint 888 that you mentioned are indeed an incredible value for money and for many. As you also mentioned, for quite a bit less the SourcePoint 8 stand-mount speakers combined with a decent ~ $500 DIY Subwoofer with a plate amp would be an excellent alternative IMO.
YMMV
Great video. I learned something new, which is why I watch in the first place. Keep it up!
My favorite part…“For those of you who are micro-correcting me”.😂😂😂
Looking forward to a review of the Sourcepoint 888
Hey Erin, could I recommend lowering the threshold on your gate a bit? It seems to be "eating" the end of some of the words and phrases you are speaking, and we lose consonants on your words. Makes it difficult to understand what you're saying sometimes without turning the volume up quite a bit.
Just a suggestion :)
Thank you as always for putting out great videos like this one!
Yessir. I noticed this when I was editing and tried to fix a few spots.
I had moved my mic up a bit and forgot to put it back down toward me which made the gate even more noticeable. But I corrected it last night and I think it should be good now. But thanks for pointing that out.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Awesome - no problem! Always happy to offer constructive feedback :)
It seems you get a lot better speakers, with a lot less compromises, going up to $4000-5000.
Kind of smart design from kef for the none audiophile (whichp
Most ppl are). Common people like to put their speakers close to the wall and pointed straight in the room. Most modern room have a lot of windows. I think this speaker will do well for many ppl. Thanks for sharing 👍
Out of curiosity, where do the Ascend Acoustics fit in your top X list. Especially with a sub?
Hello there.. Great reviews. Have you listened to the Paradigm Founder series of speakers. Thanks
I don't think he has but that's a great recommendation for review
The audio of this video is a bit of a speaker test in itself. If you can hear the "voice isolation" plug in gate threshold ever so slightly interfering with Erin's dialogue (like at the end of sentences when he starts to get a little quieter), then you have at the very least some decent speakers, set up the right way, in a reasonably good environment. The better your listening situation, the more you'll be able to hear this.
What would your top 5 be for home theater? A full on 5.x.4 setup with matching speakers, and 9 Mofi source points are a cop out 😂. Atmos could be on-wall like svs elevations, or in ceiling but the caveat is all matching brands, mixing levels of speakers from the same brand is permissible.
I would guess a Kef R Meta setup bc of the center channel, but svs center channels hav good dispersion characteristics too. I was just curious after watching this
Thanks for keeping this succinct!
Fantastic review, Thanks Erin
13:15 It would work ok in my room as my current speakers have lots of 40-50Hz reinforcement from the room which I EQ down. But there are also nulls so the KEF would be even less bassy in such regions.
Awesome sharing especially for those who are looking to buy speakers.
Thank you for your work man!
Great video as always!
Thanks again!
Maybe I'm crazy but i have both the R3 Meta and the Sourcepoint 8s and I think the SCP-8s play deeper than the KEFs. Maybe I'll try and compare them again. I am using a sub but I have them crossed over at 55. The subs that is my preamp doesn't highpass.
I'm a little mad because I do like the soundstage on the Mofis a tad better than the KEFs but I wanted to like the KEFs better because they look so sweet in Indigo blue. I'd be more fine with the R3s if I didn't have the SC-8 or they went missing. But with them both in the house, I have to with the 8s in my 2 channel room and moved the R3Ms to the living room.
I am thinking about getting a single Sourcepoint 8 from Crutchfield and putting the 3 in my theater but I am not sure what surrounds to use. If I do go that route I can put the R3 Metas back in the music room.
I think the 8's would make a great center channel with that very even dispersion on both axis. But they would be difficult to use a surrounds because of their size and need for space from the walls.
Thanks for your views on these two speakers.
@@bearclaw5115 Oh, nooo. I wouldn't use 8s as side surrounds. My theater is too narrow. At the same time, I don't what speakers I could use as side surrounds that would be close to a tonal match to the 8s
Hi, thank you for ranking I am happy the mofi von because I am considering them, as well I belive r3 meta is great. What I am suprised is that no one of them was bitten by arendal monitor s thx or txs. Or didint you include tham in ranking because they are customer direct sold and it would be unfair? Or they are simply not as good as mofi and kef?
Do the MoFi SP Triple 8’s give off that same 60 degree horizontal and vertical soundstage like the single 8? My other considerations for towers are: SVS Ultra Evo Towers, Dali Oberon 9, Paradigm 800F, and KEF Q11 Meta, all of which are around the same price ballpark. Thanks for the video!
Great video, question for you! Zero’d in on KEF because of their center speaker being better for my space. Do you still recommend the R3 Meta for a home theater application in a fairly large space? I like that it does well near wall. 15 x 23 listening area (8 to 9 foot tall ceilings) where the listening position is about 15 feet from the speakers. Speakers would be about 11 feet a part. The back left side of the room is opened up to another 12 x 12 space. I’m trying to understand when it makes sense to move up to the R7 or R11. I hope you see this comment! Thanks!
How do the Aura 2 compare to the Lintons? In this video the Lintons seem to rate better, may I ask which characteristics moved you to give the Lintons a better rate?
I found a nice offer on both and can't make up my mind
Either are a great choice. Objectively, I think the AURA 2 is better. But the overall look and lower price of the Linton is what draws me more to it.
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@@ErinsAudioCorner Would you consider it a "no brainer" to get the aura 2 for 1500€?
@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks for your answer
Here's the bottom line in the best damn speakers you could ever buy. To be used as right left in center channel in your home theater system and then I'll give you the rear channels that I'm using in one couldn't be happier with this setup. French LCR is the Klipsch heritage f o r t e model 3 all three channels. Rear channels are the Klipsch 8060FA. The amplifier used belches out 250 watts per channel across the landscape up to 11 channels. It's only using 5 channels I'm getting 290 watch 8 ohms at 5 channels. The room is rectangle 50 ft long 35 ft wide what's 12 ft ceilings flat ceiling. OMG guys it sounds so freaking good. In the cross with fairly inexpensive because the f o r t e model 3s are quite similar to the f o r t e model 4 when the bonus is that they still have their 10-year warranties intact . New subwoofer necessary. Pounding concrete extraordinarily fine bass response
C'mon man! When are you going to test and review the Polk R700?
Will you try to review the Elipson Eritage XLS 15? Wold like your opinion about them.
Thanks for this video.
Hey Erin, can you please review a GoldenEar product? Either the t66 or the triton reference towers? Very curious regarding their performance in your eyes comparing to other speakers you’ve listened to
Would really like to see you review the Totem Bison Twin Towers if possible.
First of all thanks for your sharing. I wonder would you be able to add the testing frequency to higher level like 50k because a lot of the speakers can produce above 20k now and for hi-Res classify must able to support above 20k
When you mention distance from the wall - you mean the back of the speaker?
Yes.
thanks erin That's a great comparison🤩! I'm still debating between the kef r3 meta and the MoFi SourcePoint 8,I heard both of them and I really liked them, but it's hard to decide when they are in completely different rooms...I'm thinking of maybe trying to assemble the gr research nx studio monitors I have heard good things about them from people who have them and in any case I will add subs to my system...Have you ever heard of them? I will probably wait for AXXESS L1 AND THE PS AUDIO FR5 speakers to make a final decision🤠
If I were you, I would find a retailer that has a good return policy and order both. Test them out in your room and different positions and see what you find you prefer more. One of my patrons the Kef over the MOFI for different reasons. my opinion is certainly not the final authority. 👍
@@ErinsAudioCorner THANKS ERIN! Maybe not the final authority but A very significant opinion❣
Might I suggest you try the CSS Audio 1-TDX with the upgraded crossovers. I did a quick search on your videos and didn't see any CSS products. I find mine to be amazing and my family that could care less about audio regularly goes "Wow!". I will say that I find their stated numbers on sensitivity to be ambitious. My pair were good with a Yamaha AV receiver but when I put monoblocs on them they just came alive. IMO they destroy my JBL L100s.
Fun video. When you say move speakers a foot or two away from the front wall, do you measure from the baffle or the back of the speakers?
Back of the speaker. 👍
If we dont have a subwoofer, does the KEF R3 win? I might be wrong, but imagine most music only listeners do not use a sub as they are more sold for HT.
Wonder how that list would look like spending that secondhand.
Great stuff man, I already knew you fancied the mofi 8 but it was great to hear you talk about it in comparison to the other top choices in the price bracket
That being said is there really anything the kef has going for it relative to the mofi? Especially if the mofi is cheaper, has wider dispersion and they both need a sub anyways?
I mentioned em in the video. Two things:
1) The KEF’s more narrow radiation may be a benefit to some rooms.
2) The ability to place the KEF very close to the wall.
The KEF is also a bit more linear IIRC. But I’d have to double check.
For R3 meta, the subwoofer is optional, depends of your room size.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Awesome thanks! Yeah I see what you mean it sounds like the kef would work awesome in a desktop situation up near a wall, whereas the mofi might perform better in a medium to large room with proper wall spacing and treatment
@@roberleiton you're right the meta has better extension even if it needs the sub for volume output in a larger room
When you say close to the wall, KEF R3. How close do you think is okay ?
I am curious Erin, if you think it is worth the extra money to go with the R700 over the R500? It would still be under $2500.
Not sure just yet. Haven’t heard the R700 yet but will be reviewing it soon.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks for the response. I appreciate speaker review style and detailed information. I look forward to seeing your review, if I can wait...😁
I cant see the polk out performing the svs ultra towers and they cost the same. Thanks for the video and information.
After watching your review of the Morel Avyra 633 and hearing them at Axpona I’m surprised they weren’t on your list???
Does it makes sense to own both the Lintons and the Sourcepoint 8? Or is that too much of the same?
They’re quite different so there wouldn’t be much overlap. Seriously. They both sound different tonally and spatially.
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@@ErinsAudioCorner I would, were it not that I live in Belgium.😁
Thanks Erin! I Always enjoy your content
surprised the BMR monitors didnt make this list. Any reason in particular you left it off @erin?
Just a bit too wide and radiation for me. They tended to sound diffuse in my room because of this. YMMV.
@@ErinsAudioCorner ahh ok. i got the BMRs for that reason. Really wide room and the dispersion is a great combo to get good audio from living room to kitche. appreciate your perspective
Hello there.. Have you heard any of the speakers from the Paradigm Founder series.. Thanks.
I knew the R3, Aura 2, and Lintons were going to be on the list. Was pleasantly surprised by the Polk R5s as I have them as my front L&R in my home theatre. Absolutely love them!
Isnt room treatment to reduce the speaker interaction with the room. not to correct the speaker. Basically all rooms have problems, treating the bass, reflections, etc will reduce the room's interaction with your speakers
No point in adding to the list you took the time to prepare
I believe I could live with any of these permanently if I were in market for some speakers
Wasn't sure where to place this comment, because it's unrelated specifically to any of your videos, but I saw a comment on facebook recommending Caladan OB speakers. I did some looking and found a review at New Record Day, and I believe that the speakers probably sound amazing, but it's hard to take the guy seriously when he's always talking about Danny at GR Research, who is known to promote all kinds of snake oil. I am interested in performance of the OB speakers though. Any way you could do a video on these, or a video on exploring the benefits of OB in general? I'm curious about how they measure.
Surprised no internet direct speakers made the list as they often offer a better cost/performance ratio.
Im making a dumb guess that aroud 80% of people who buy speakers are adding them to a home theater system. It would be very nice to review how a speaker responds in that setting. Thank you.
Nicely done…..like your top 3
The real question is what's the difference between Andrew Jones' MoFi & 8" coaxial speakers from long established Tannoy & Fyne? What's his secret sauce? Are there Tannoy or Fyne 8" bargains out there? Inquiring minds need to know.
Are there Tannoy or Fyne 8" coaxial in the same price range?
Thank you for another great video.
How do the Polk r500 compare to Arendal 1961 tower? I can get a used Arendal for 700$.
A video i would love is about old gems that can be found on marketplace at low cost. I have a whole set of old Infinity Interludes (early 2000's). I looked everyday for them at decent prices and built my whole 7.1 set of them at a very low cost by looking everyday. Im sure theres a lot of other old gems that i dont know about. Would be great to have your opinion on these.
Cabinet edge Diffraction…Is that what you’re referring to Erin?
the MoFi SourcePoint 8 cost nearly around the same as the Arendal 1723 Monitor THX.
Which one would you prefer (for homecinema)?
MoFi.
👍 thx Erin @@ErinsAudioCorner
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I also have one for Arendal in the description section of this video as well. But personally, I would go with the MOFI.
I will like to do so, but not sure if crutchfield delivers to Germany 😉@@ErinsAudioCorner
Can you comment on the distance to the wall for the KEF? Is that recommended 1ft distance measure from the front baffle or from the back port?
Back of the speaker. Try it and let me know what you think.