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I've spent the last few days looking for a desktop speaker set and kept hitting dead ends. This review was timely for me, I appreciate the work you do. Ordering a pair now.
Just bought a pair of these today, hopefully they'll arrive tomorrow. Building a studio in a garden room, can't wait to try these out. This review has been reassuring! 👍
Thanks Erin! Just received a pair thru your associate link with B&H. SQ to cost value ratio is insane. Great recommendation, intuitive user interface and easy to reach/find power switch are also appreciated. Glad to see you back in the game. Cheers, XEagleDriver
Take note that this situation with the sub is pretty much standard in the studio industry, you will also get subwoofers with integrated speaker management systems from Genelec, Neumann, and yes even subs from companies like Presonus will have inputs and internally apply crossovers to separate outputs that would go to your "satelite" speakers. I like Genelec's system a lot since it allows for many speakers to be managed by a single subwoofer, just, it's quite expensive...
I noticed this when it came out. Erin you are dead on. Here is the issue. These $300 speaker with a sub with a crossover built in... properly set up of courrse will walk all over most multi K studio monitors at moderate volume. Att studio engineers.....THIS is the new NS-10 only it actually sounds great too. Pass this speaker up at your peril. Erin you have big ones. I am impressed once again with your honesty. Given their pedigree I am not suprized. The era of speaker BS is over thanks to you.
Never heard these ones, but I have a pair of Kali LP6 Gen 2 and not only do they punch above their price, mixes done on them translate better than mixes I did on speakers costing 2x to 4x the price. I needed very little adjusting time to get to know them too.
I got these about a month ago. They are seriously impressive for the money. Beautifully made, too. I'm still learning them and haven't done much mixing yet, but I think these will be with me for a long time!
Kali keep knocking out great performance speakers for very little money. I know a lot of people use desktop sized speakers as main speakers that do not take a lot of space. Some of the better ones are worthy of placement on stands in a good room. The close driver spacing ensures better xover integration than a 6" 2-way. In fact I'm listening to a pair with 4" woofers now as mains, no problem for my usual listening levels. Thanks for another informative review Erin!
How do these compare to the Vanatoo desktop speakers? Different price category, but just from a sound perspective are these still better? How about features?
Excellent. Right now I have a pair of Swan M200MKII speakers on my desk; I actually have two pairs because some of the IO didn't work on the first pair so they sent me another pair for free, which was nice. The first pair is now a Bluetooth speaker in the kitchen. They were also $300 per pair (not counting the freebies). I'm fairly satisfied with them, but am curious to explore other options... they are slightly large, even with my large desk, especially since I have a multimonitor setup. One of my monitors blocks the tweeter, and there's no good way to remedy that. Maybe I'll do a size comparison and pick these up. $300 is about the limit for what I'll spend on desktop speakers, since I greatly prefer headphones, and already have my HD800s for that.
Great review Erin, how would you compare these to something like the Vanatoo T0 or the iLoud Micro? The latter go on sale used/DS quite a bit and though I upgraded to the T1E and the MTM in both cases, it’s nice to be able to give people advice when they ask.
I got a pair of Kali's LP6 2 for my bedroom. A better option than a SB for ease of use (no separate remote) and they sound great for listening at lower volumes
1. Power switch is on the back of the main speaker, no auto-standby function by the looks of it. 2. Use either a USB A to C or a 3.5 mm stereo to 2x RCA cable, at least one of which you are already likely to have.
Thanks for great review. Have you tried every type of connection? Will you hear any audible difference when using external DAC + rca, or just using USB-C sound the same? In other words, is there double conversion of signal when using RCA inputs (audio-digital-audio) sound same as USB input (digital-audio)?
Trying to decide on these vs other 5in monitors like the Yamaha HS5s or even the Lp 6s. I have a small room/desk setup and won't be far away from the speakers. I was leaning towards the Lp 6s since they had better reviews than the Yamahas, but was concerned about the size. These seem like the perfect answer! Do you think these would be a good pick considering those options? Would these be sufficient for mixing and mastering compared to the others I listed? Thanks so much for you video!
Have you heard the Genelec 8010As? Obviously the Kali's are super bang for your buck, but do you think the genelecs are an improvement soundwise or should one just stick to these?
Just order a pair of these in white for another PC I use for games, music, etc. I use Genelec 8351B and 7350A subs with GLM for my audio/video editing/mixing computers, so I’m very interested to see how $300 speakers compare to $13000 speakers.
Question: I see the specs say the Total System Power is 160 Watts (40W to HF, 40W to LF, x 2 channels). I just received my speakers last night, and when I opened it, I see the DC switching power supply for the amp is only 72 Watts (24V, 3A). My questions are: 1) How is the 160 Watt rating derived? 2) Would there be any benefit to upgrading the power supply?
No one has answered my question, but I thought I would add that the back of speaker specifically says not to exceed 72 watts of input power, making me further question how the 160 watt rating is derived. Don't get me wrong, the speakers sound great and I'm totally satisfied with my purchase. It just seems questionable to say an amp with 72 watts of input can provide 160 watts of output.
These & a Wiim Mini would make a nice small room streaming system for $400. Both the Kali & Wiim offer EQ options for all situations. It's a pity there is no HDMI or optical TV connection, perhaps in the next revision?
Nice speakers. A couple of design choices I'm not sold on though, first the cable connecting the speakers looks quite rigid, which could make placement near a rear wall problematic. Also a volume knob might have been better and quicker for adjusting. Other than that though they look like a winner.
Actually I like the touch thing and it also quite sensitive and easy to mute Cable is put there once and I forgot about it I have 27 inch monitor so the length is fine
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Is difference between these and iLoud Micro's big? I want small desktop speakers, these are already kinda big and I would prefer iLoud's, but... if there is big difference in sound... I may go with Kali's. Maybe you could make small, cheap desktop speaker comparison? And please take a look at Edifier T5, its very cheap and looks promising as sub for these small speakers.
That would depend on how loud you're listening, I guess. Keep in mind that the iLoud Micros will progressively throttle back the low end at higher levels in order to keep the little 3" woofer within safe limits (Hoffmann's Iron Law: small - deep - loud, pick any two). One guy who had them said he found that a bit irritating for music, while gaming was generally fine.
@@PileOfEmptyTapes quiet - medium levels. Never louder than typical $50 bluetooth speaker. Thats why Im wondering, because I dont see how these two are different, especially if I fill lows with sub so low frequency extension on mains wouldnt really matter
@@AXYZE If you have an external sub+crossover to reduce low-frequency loading on your mains, the iLouds should be just about perfect. (There's always bodgery like EQing down the bass on the source and turning up the sub in return, too.) Assuming you can deal with a bit of hiss, that is. They might even work out for you without a sub, as almost fullrange extension at low levels basically is their most notable party trick. Note that iLoud Micros have unbalanced inputs only, while the Kalis can also accept balanced signals e.g. from an audio interface (and given that the power-supply seems to have a 3-pin IEC power connector, that may also be the better choice if you want to stay out of trouble with ground loops).
@@PileOfEmptyTapes I saw that Presonus Sub 8 BT has regulated high pass filter instead of just passthrough so I could make crossover on like 90hz and iLouds would have a lot easier job to do. Do you think that high pass filter would help just a little or a lot? Or maybe it wont help and I should save 50% by going with Edifier T5 that has just passthrough and low pass filter? Low-medium listening levels. I know for high volumes it would help a lot.
@@AXYZE Speaking of Edifier, have you seen the measurements of a newer sample of their MR4s? Those looked much closer to spec. These would be another good candidate if you're getting a sub anyway, and it looks like they should integrate fairly well with a LPF + passthrough sub like their T5 (as one would hope). Note that in case of the Sub8 BT, I'd want to have a balanced connection between on the input side at least. In any setup with a sub, budget on a measurement mic if you don't have already one, and if it's just a UMIK-1. So... MR4 $100 T5 $150ish if memory serves? UMIK-1 $79 Desk stands if required for ear height $?? (I've never had speakers standing directly on a desk sound particularly good; in the office I've actually taken the $0 approach by recruiting some old cardboard boxes, stacks of fleamarket grade paperback books would also work) REW $FREE Measurement experience $PRICELESS Sounds like a killer budget 2.1 setup to me.
If you use a powered studio sub like the Kali WS-6.2 with something like a Solid State Logic SSL 2+ Interface. It goes USB from source into interface then from interface right two TRS/XLR to to XLR inputs on the sub and then from the subwoofers you go TRS to TRS into the LP-UNF
Hey Eric, I have a question, basically if these speakers meet these 3 criteria's that I'll mention, ill buy them asap. Unfortunately I cannot demo them in my area hence I am asking you: 1) Can you hear small (1db ish) dynamics/volume changes (compression etc.) 2) Can you hear front to back depth (reverb tails, early reflections, stereo field etc.) 3) Is the mid range clear to understand masking? also are they fast speakers, is there any phase issues? Any info would be of great help. I wanted to buy them as a mix and recording engineer that moves around locations a lot.
These sound like they would be great but sometimes I like to crank things up. Is there anything you would recommend in the same form factor that could get louder? Say 100-106 dB without compressing. It does not have to be an active speaker. Make Height is 14"
If I already have JBL LSR305, is it worth making the switch? These look more modern and a bit smaller, but I’m curious about things from an audio quality perspective
Unless the hiss from the JBLs is bothering you, that would rather be a downgrade. LSR305s play deeper and go louder. If you have the space for those, you don't need LP-UNFs. You _might_ consider upgrading to some LP6v2s, though these are obviously even larger... Otherwise save up for some KH120(II)s or something in that league.
@PileOfEmptyTapes I had LSR305p and sold to a friend to upgrade to LP6v1 and then later to LP6v2 and I feel both are better overall than the JBL but not dramatically. The only major difference is lower Amp hiss on v2 which is really nice when using them nearfueld. I also have LSR306P that I kept and use in the bedroom as multimedia speakers. They are outstanding also. I love all 3 sets-all incredible value for the money. LSR305p are very good too and really liked the compact form factor for desktop use. But I use monitor stands for all of them now and that's a far better solution of course.
rellay nice review I have the Yamaha HS7 and they are great for mixing mids and highs, but I always struggle with correct bass placement. . I need something to check my final mix volume wise, especially for the bass. If you had to choose between the Kali UNF and the Neumann KH 80, with which one would you go with?
I like that you’re coming out straight out the bat calling certain brands & models garbage 🗑️. Enough of this tip toeing on what u say, if it’s garbage then so be it - these companies have to learn. 💯. BTW I have the In-8s and I like them a lot more than my previous Yamahas. The imaging on them are beautiful IMO. 👊🏼
Although the producer is adamant that one should not listen through them at a distance larger than 80cm, do You think we could go slightly above that? Like for instance around 97cm? Otherwise I would have reduce the size of my displays.
I got around to testing these, with the 1 foot extra long cable. The Bluetooth feature is GREAT, and it's awesome how simple these are to use and set up/config. Very good, clean, linear sound with nice depth, and decent bass! But they just don't sound very powerful, compared to my HSU HB-1 MK2's. :) A great purchase for basic users wanting improved sound on their TV, or for small parties, or basic computer use 👍 Purchased for only $250 on Amazon, and $10 for the extra long cable from Kali's site.
Great review; thanks! Would these be a good choice for casual bedroom listening, or would I be better off with quality budget consumer speakers & amp? I understand their strong point is desktop mixing - (0.8m away) and have seen folks online say that studio monitors are not what you want for just jamming tunes in hifi... but the descriptions of these make them sound perfect for listening to records and apple music in bed (other than the fact that it's 9 ft away). The title is ".. Perfect Desktop Speaker?", I know.. is the dropoff in quality that dramatic? Would something else be more immersive?
I haven't heard such a clear cut recommendation from Erin before. What about the IN-UNF? Edit: yeah there's another vid on that one as well on this channel!
LP-UNF vs HS4 vs Eris 5BT 2nd Gen (hoping and waiting for them to release the 2nd gen without bluetooth). The Kali ones seem like they might be the best but the most expensive also.
No, it doesn't have this one beat. this one gets deeper in the bass and is better with getting louder before limiting and compression sets in. the D3V is good but not LP-UNF good. and I know this from using both in a friend's home studio space
Any concerns with these using digital crossovers that cap your resolution to 24/48, especially since there is no digital input to bypass the ADC? Since like a pretty big shortcoming but most seem to dismiss it.
Hey brother. I need a quick and honest answer. I have to choose between kali lp unf vs kanto ora. Which speakers will be a better choice for PC? Mixed use, multimedia, music, gaming. What would you recommend?
I’ve only seen data for the Kanta and it does look good. But I would have to personally default to these Kalis, because I measured them and heard them myself, and am impressed by them.
What did you choose in the end? I'm in the same situation as you... Kanto Ora are slightly smaller and on a desk they are probably most likely nicer to look at. But is there any comparison in sound quality between the two? The further doubt is that the Kanto Ora 4 will be coming out soon...
@@canarinis Hey. I bought kanto ora because of its smaller size and in my opinion more pleasing design. I currently use it without an additional subwoofer and despite that they play very well. Which is surprising because they are tiny. For comparison, my old Edifier MR4 play much worse, and they are 2.5 times bigger than Ora. Very good speakers whether for use with or without a sub, if you like their minimalist look and you care about small size buy them asap. I also listened to Kali, the sound is great but a bit too flat for me, ora just sounds more fun to me, the kali design is also definitely worse than Ora, and the quality of the used materials is average at least. They are also noticeably bigger.
The IN series are definitely better. But they are larger and 2-3x the price. Personally, I don’t have the deskspace for anything that large so I would use these.
These would be so perfect for this use case if they only had an intelligent sub out that high passed signal to the speakers like Vanatoo does. Charging $350 instead with only that one addition and I think they'd still be worth it.
Great video! I just ordered these speakers and I've got a question about the USB connectivity. My PC does not have any USB-C ports, so would it be possible to connect these speakers with a USB-C to USB-A cable? And would this have any (negative) side-effects? Thanks!
in studio land it's standard for the subwoofer to have TRS or XLR pass through to your mains, and there are very few audio interfaces that support RCA so TRS is the clear choice. These look astonishing, i almost want to buy them for no reason. I would love for you to review and measure the yamaha HS8s, they're my main monitors and despite their popularity they're also a bit of a laughing stock and i'm not sure why. They seem to measure flat as a tack from other sources but people say the mids are a joke and there is too much treble? I'm not sure, i really like mine. I picked them over 10 other options that i listened to. Your insight would teach me so much.
HS8s are excellent speakers especially for full range monitoring. I personally chose Kali but Yamahas are definitely competitive. I think Yamahas are a little brighter but pretty balanced overall. And Yamahas are built to last.
Would you say these have better audio quality than the Kali Audio V 6.5 monitors? Or does one become more favourable than the other based off how far you’re sitting from the monitors? Hmm MM-6 for tv use? Awesome video and great info! Thank You!
I think the LP-6 V2 is still the better choice if you have the space but for a more compact set up, this is truly the best speaker that I’ve come across in this category.
After directly A/B testing them in the same room at Kali's office I'd say the LP6 sounds a bit better, but if you need the space savings these are the best option at this price.
Would love to see the Monolith MTM-100 comparison. I know Joe N Tell positively reviewed them but would appreciate if you get a chance to review them as well, especially with this as your reference for $300 powered speakers. While the MSRP is higher, $500, I've seen them go on sale multiple times and did purchase myself for $300. Maybe I'm just looking for more validation 😂or at least hearing what the competition in the price market is capable off.
If you've not lost patience... He has a D3V review coming since Adam is sending him a pair but I'd hazard a guess the LP-UNF will get louder with less limiting
Erin has measured both, so you can compare the data for yourself. But in a nutshell, the KH80 is the substantially better speaker in almost every respect except deep bass (the Neumanns are smaller and it shows) - response flatness, horizontal and vertical dispersion, level handling and distortion. So you definitely get something more when you're spending more than twice as much (plus the requisite audio interface or DAC or at least line isolator needed to connect a computer to them). If the LP-UNF had been available last time I bought speakers for the office PC, I would have picked up a pair - going for KH80s or Genelec 8010s / 8020s would have seemed awfully decadent there, not to mention the lack of a convenient front volume control and power switch. This is basically the target market for a system like the LP-UNF, smallish multimedia speakers that are actually good while remaining somewhat affordable. We're not exactly drowning in those. If you have space for some 5" class monitors, things suddenly get a lot more crowded.
@@ErinsAudioCornerNeither did I. The only issue I had was some odd noise, static-y clicks, when using the USB-C input when starting, pausing, or scrolling through music or videos. I've owned 10-12 USB audio devices (DACs, DAC-amps, and interfaces) and never experience anything like that. Kali customer service attributed that to a firmware issue, sent me a paid label to return them directly to Kali, and the replacements are en route. Hope that solves the issue because they really sounded great over the 5 days or so I used them before the return.
Man! Those tests look great! Unfortunately they're a little big for my setup. I currently have the Audioengine HD3 which I run on their sides with the desktop angled stands. If you've never tried a pair, I'd like to see how they test. They cost about the same as these Kali speakers.
Amazing review as always, and to my surprise these are available for purchase in european stores! While we're on the topic of good budget speakers available in europe, any chance you'll be reviewing the Swissonic A308? The A306 seem to have gone out of stock after your positive review 😅
Thank ypu so much for the video. You probably don't do requests but, was thinking the new Edifier S3000 mk2 could be interesting. They're reasonably priced. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the planar tweeter in them, which isn't that common in monitors, I guess. They also connect wireless between the two speakers.. 😊
Klipsche Pro Media THX series will give these a run for their money and they include a ported sub for $150.00. I pulled the plate amp from the Klipshe sub and put it in a sealed box I made tuned to 35hz with an Alpine 12 inch car sub...Now this system really kicks ass.
Thanks mate good to have some desktop options to be able to refer to, once again appreciate your time and knowledge for these reviews. wondering how these would compare to the old school standard for studio monitors the Yamaha HS7 & HS8 on a technical sound level?
@@Ry-lx2kl Seems a bit overdressed for the garage. I'd say in that application you want cheap + _oomph,_ so like a traditional 8" 2-way (e.g. LP-8 v2). Also, garage usually means unbalanced consumer audio sources, so that would have to be taken care of as well. And you need a monitor controller or other form of volume control.
@PileOfEmptyTapes the 3 way will be able to play louder while remaining low in distortion due to the music being split between 3 drivers. There will also be a better off-axis response. If you're going for cheap and loud, get something like a pair of Alto TS408's for $500. They can put out 130db with 1000w rms each. If you're not throwing a party or trying to project beyond the garage, the Kali's are an excellent choice for quality sound that goes deep
@PileOfEmptyTapes I have two pairs of Klipsch RF3's in my garage powered by a QSC 2450a commercial amp delivering 325w to each speaker. My music can be heard clearly from over 100 feet away. I'm using a DBX GoRack for volume and effects. Being able to add compression makes the big speakers sound better at normal volumes.
I‘ve been absorbing all Information i can find on speakers in my price range and i found a used pair of Kali 8v2‘s for the same price as the UNF‘s mentioned here. I do want to DJ for fun in my room and also host small-ish partys indoors. Im not sure wich ones to buy bc the UNF seem to sound better with less low end and less volume. I do not want to buy a sub (at least not right away). Please help me out man, im a big fan!
That's a complete no-brainer - used LP8v2s all the way! Those will go substantially louder and play deeper bass. A 4.5" system is personal / desktop audio and a far cry from PA, an 8" gets a lot closer. Per Erin's results, the LP-UNF will top out at about 91 dB SPL, while the LP8v2s will manage about 102 dB... not exactly happily, but they'll do it. As the saying goes, there is no replacement for displacement, and an 8" has a lot more Sd and Xmax so will have physics on its side. If you want it loud, size matters. Do keep the different cabling requirements in mind, as well as the need for an external volume control of sorts.
all the videos I've watched doesn't show how they're powered up at least you showed a wire coming off the back and I guess the wall plug plugs into the rectangle electronic plug that goes into the speaker. Also no one is mentioning how long the wire is between the two speakers. Important for me to know cause I'm using a desktop pc which is hooked to my 55" tv you see! Thanks Cal
Hard for me to say to be honest. I’m a fan of Keith products and a coincident Driver in the Nearfield is a nice thing to have. But they are a good bit more expensive than these.
Mmmm, probably not. I’m about to move to a new neighborhood and I’ll have to see what it’s like before I start dragging subwoofers out into the backyard and blasting them with test tones. 😂😂
@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks. One more question.. would you say the KH 80 are superior to these LP UNF? I would sure hope so as they are triple the price... (Also have the ability to do DSP room adjustment with the add-on mic)
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Just got these a week ago, the detail is absolutely mad, stereo image is super clear as well. New kali fan here.
I've spent the last few days looking for a desktop speaker set and kept hitting dead ends. This review was timely for me, I appreciate the work you do. Ordering a pair now.
Just bought a pair of these today, hopefully they'll arrive tomorrow. Building a studio in a garden room, can't wait to try these out. This review has been reassuring! 👍
Thanks Erin! Just received a pair thru your associate link with B&H. SQ to cost value ratio is insane.
Great recommendation, intuitive user interface and easy to reach/find power switch are also appreciated.
Glad to see you back in the game.
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Cool! I’m glad that you like them. And I’m glad the review helped you find something that you’re going to enjoy.
2:00 you know Erin likes a speaker when he starts holding it like a baby.
Take note that this situation with the sub is pretty much standard in the studio industry, you will also get subwoofers with integrated speaker management systems from Genelec, Neumann, and yes even subs from companies like Presonus will have inputs and internally apply crossovers to separate outputs that would go to your "satelite" speakers. I like Genelec's system a lot since it allows for many speakers to be managed by a single subwoofer, just, it's quite expensive...
I noticed this when it came out. Erin you are dead on. Here is the issue. These $300 speaker with a sub with a crossover built in... properly set up of courrse will walk all over most multi K studio monitors at moderate volume. Att studio engineers.....THIS is the new NS-10 only it actually sounds great too. Pass this speaker up at your peril. Erin you have big ones. I am impressed once again with your honesty. Given their pedigree I am not suprized. The era of speaker BS is over thanks to you.
Never heard these ones, but I have a pair of Kali LP6 Gen 2 and not only do they punch above their price, mixes done on them translate better than mixes I did on speakers costing 2x to 4x the price. I needed very little adjusting time to get to know them too.
@@kelainefesI have the LSR305 + WS 6.2 setup right now. It's fucking brilliant. Cannot WAIT to get my hands on the IN-8 v2 in a few months!
I got these about a month ago. They are seriously impressive for the money. Beautifully made, too. I'm still learning them and haven't done much mixing yet, but I think these will be with me for a long time!
Kali keep knocking out great performance speakers for very little money. I know a lot of people use desktop sized speakers as main speakers that do not take a lot of space. Some of the better ones are worthy of placement on stands in a good room. The close driver spacing ensures better xover integration than a 6" 2-way. In fact I'm listening to a pair with 4" woofers now as mains, no problem for my usual listening levels.
Thanks for another informative review Erin!
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Great review!
How does the Kali LP-UNF compare to the IK Multimedia iLoud MTM?
Just bought them, they are amazing!
How do these compare to the Vanatoo desktop speakers? Different price category, but just from a sound perspective are these still better? How about features?
Excellent. Right now I have a pair of Swan M200MKII speakers on my desk; I actually have two pairs because some of the IO didn't work on the first pair so they sent me another pair for free, which was nice. The first pair is now a Bluetooth speaker in the kitchen. They were also $300 per pair (not counting the freebies). I'm fairly satisfied with them, but am curious to explore other options... they are slightly large, even with my large desk, especially since I have a multimonitor setup. One of my monitors blocks the tweeter, and there's no good way to remedy that.
Maybe I'll do a size comparison and pick these up. $300 is about the limit for what I'll spend on desktop speakers, since I greatly prefer headphones, and already have my HD800s for that.
And what about those Swissonic a305 for half the money in europe?
prolly doing the same but cheaper. I wonder about the Swissonic X8. They seems like a stronger version of KALI In8
Great review Erin, how would you compare these to something like the Vanatoo T0 or the iLoud Micro? The latter go on sale used/DS quite a bit and though I upgraded to the T1E and the MTM in both cases, it’s nice to be able to give people advice when they ask.
I got a pair of Kali's LP6 2 for my bedroom. A better option than a SB for ease of use (no separate remote) and they sound great for listening at lower volumes
I have the IN-5s and they are unbeatable for the money.
Great review as usual. Love seeing these studio monitors in the mix. Love to see some reviews of the Adam audio T series
Have you tried the Airpulse A80? How would they compare with the Kali's?
What better for listening music Kali LP-UNF or Kali LP-6 V2 ?
Do they have a power switch ir they stay on all the time? Also how do we hook it up to the computer straight out of the box?
1. Power switch is on the back of the main speaker, no auto-standby function by the looks of it.
2. Use either a USB A to C or a 3.5 mm stereo to 2x RCA cable, at least one of which you are already likely to have.
Purchased these with the affiliate link as soon as the video ended. They sound great on my desk flanking my wide monitor. Thank you! @ErinsAudioCorner
Thanks for great review. Have you tried every type of connection? Will you hear any audible difference when using external DAC + rca, or just using USB-C sound the same? In other words, is there double conversion of signal when using RCA inputs (audio-digital-audio) sound same as USB input (digital-audio)?
Trying to decide on these vs other 5in monitors like the Yamaha HS5s or even the Lp 6s. I have a small room/desk setup and won't be far away from the speakers. I was leaning towards the Lp 6s since they had better reviews than the Yamahas, but was concerned about the size. These seem like the perfect answer!
Do you think these would be a good pick considering those options? Would these be sufficient for mixing and mastering compared to the others I listed?
Thanks so much for you video!
Would love to see how these perform with the sub and crossover in place
Have you heard the Genelec 8010As? Obviously the Kali's are super bang for your buck, but do you think the genelecs are an improvement soundwise or should one just stick to these?
Just order a pair of these in white for another PC I use for games, music, etc. I use Genelec 8351B and 7350A subs with GLM for my audio/video editing/mixing computers, so I’m very interested to see how $300 speakers compare to $13000 speakers.
The wave guided recessed tweeter alone takes it a step above the rest in that price range. It mitigates both time alignment and diffraction issues.
Question: I see the specs say the Total System Power is 160 Watts (40W to HF, 40W to LF, x 2 channels). I just received my speakers last night, and when I opened it, I see the DC switching power supply for the amp is only 72 Watts (24V, 3A). My questions are: 1) How is the 160 Watt rating derived? 2) Would there be any benefit to upgrading the power supply?
No one has answered my question, but I thought I would add that the back of speaker specifically says not to exceed 72 watts of input power, making me further question how the 160 watt rating is derived. Don't get me wrong, the speakers sound great and I'm totally satisfied with my purchase. It just seems questionable to say an amp with 72 watts of input can provide 160 watts of output.
With all your knowledge and test equipment, I'm wondering if you have designed and built speakers? If so I would love to see them .
I believe Erin has stated he was into custom car audio rigs for his vehicles in the past. I'm not sure about DIY home speakers.
@@dan_hitchman007 ok thanks. Yeah I remember hearing some car audio stories 😁.
@@dan_hitchman007 Pretty sure he did that too. DIY home speakers, I mean.
Vs Iloud Micro?
These & a Wiim Mini would make a nice small room streaming system for $400. Both the Kali & Wiim offer EQ options for all situations. It's a pity there is no HDMI or optical TV connection, perhaps in the next revision?
I’m hoping WiiM provides something with HDMI eARC soon for a preamp.
Nice speakers. A couple of design choices I'm not sold on though, first the cable connecting the speakers looks quite rigid, which could make placement near a rear wall problematic. Also a volume knob might have been better and quicker for adjusting. Other than that though they look like a winner.
Actually I like the touch thing and it also quite sensitive and easy to mute
Cable is put there once and I forgot about it
I have 27 inch monitor so the length is fine
"Its the little things that impress me the most. That's not what she said." LOL!!! Got a like and a subscribe for that one! Good reviews BTW, from an ex mastering engineer and current audiologist.
Can you compare to Thomann A306? For sound quality, and/or listening enjoyment?
Is difference between these and iLoud Micro's big?
I want small desktop speakers, these are already kinda big and I would prefer iLoud's, but... if there is big difference in sound... I may go with Kali's.
Maybe you could make small, cheap desktop speaker comparison? And please take a look at Edifier T5, its very cheap and looks promising as sub for these small speakers.
That would depend on how loud you're listening, I guess. Keep in mind that the iLoud Micros will progressively throttle back the low end at higher levels in order to keep the little 3" woofer within safe limits (Hoffmann's Iron Law: small - deep - loud, pick any two). One guy who had them said he found that a bit irritating for music, while gaming was generally fine.
@@PileOfEmptyTapes quiet - medium levels. Never louder than typical $50 bluetooth speaker.
Thats why Im wondering, because I dont see how these two are different, especially if I fill lows with sub so low frequency extension on mains wouldnt really matter
@@AXYZE If you have an external sub+crossover to reduce low-frequency loading on your mains, the iLouds should be just about perfect. (There's always bodgery like EQing down the bass on the source and turning up the sub in return, too.) Assuming you can deal with a bit of hiss, that is. They might even work out for you without a sub, as almost fullrange extension at low levels basically is their most notable party trick.
Note that iLoud Micros have unbalanced inputs only, while the Kalis can also accept balanced signals e.g. from an audio interface (and given that the power-supply seems to have a 3-pin IEC power connector, that may also be the better choice if you want to stay out of trouble with ground loops).
@@PileOfEmptyTapes I saw that Presonus Sub 8 BT has regulated high pass filter instead of just passthrough so I could make crossover on like 90hz and iLouds would have a lot easier job to do.
Do you think that high pass filter would help just a little or a lot? Or maybe it wont help and I should save 50% by going with Edifier T5 that has just passthrough and low pass filter? Low-medium listening levels. I know for high volumes it would help a lot.
@@AXYZE Speaking of Edifier, have you seen the measurements of a newer sample of their MR4s? Those looked much closer to spec. These would be another good candidate if you're getting a sub anyway, and it looks like they should integrate fairly well with a LPF + passthrough sub like their T5 (as one would hope).
Note that in case of the Sub8 BT, I'd want to have a balanced connection between on the input side at least.
In any setup with a sub, budget on a measurement mic if you don't have already one, and if it's just a UMIK-1.
So...
MR4 $100
T5 $150ish if memory serves?
UMIK-1 $79
Desk stands if required for ear height $?? (I've never had speakers standing directly on a desk sound particularly good; in the office I've actually taken the $0 approach by recruiting some old cardboard boxes, stacks of fleamarket grade paperback books would also work)
REW $FREE
Measurement experience $PRICELESS
Sounds like a killer budget 2.1 setup to me.
Hey erin for lp unf + the sub combo, does the rca out from the sub go into the rca of the unf?
If you use a powered studio sub like the Kali WS-6.2 with something like a Solid State Logic SSL 2+ Interface.
It goes USB from source into interface then from interface right two TRS/XLR to to XLR inputs on the sub and then from the subwoofers you go TRS to TRS into the LP-UNF
Hey Eric, I have a question, basically if these speakers meet these 3 criteria's that I'll mention, ill buy them asap. Unfortunately I cannot demo them in my area hence I am asking you:
1) Can you hear small (1db ish) dynamics/volume changes (compression etc.)
2) Can you hear front to back depth (reverb tails, early reflections, stereo field etc.)
3) Is the mid range clear to understand masking? also are they fast speakers, is there any phase issues?
Any info would be of great help. I wanted to buy them as a mix and recording engineer that moves around locations a lot.
These sound like they would be great but sometimes I like to crank things up. Is there anything you would recommend in the same form factor that could get louder? Say 100-106 dB without compressing. It does not have to be an active speaker. Make Height is 14"
If I already have JBL LSR305, is it worth making the switch?
These look more modern and a bit smaller, but I’m curious about things from an audio quality perspective
The LP-6 is pretty much the competition for the LSR305...
Unless the hiss from the JBLs is bothering you, that would rather be a downgrade. LSR305s play deeper and go louder. If you have the space for those, you don't need LP-UNFs. You _might_ consider upgrading to some LP6v2s, though these are obviously even larger... Otherwise save up for some KH120(II)s or something in that league.
@PileOfEmptyTapes I had LSR305p and sold to a friend to upgrade to LP6v1 and then later to LP6v2 and I feel both are better overall than the JBL but not dramatically. The only major difference is lower Amp hiss on v2 which is really nice when using them nearfueld.
I also have LSR306P that I kept and use in the bedroom as multimedia speakers. They are outstanding also. I love all 3 sets-all incredible value for the money. LSR305p are very good too and really liked the compact form factor for desktop use. But I use monitor stands for all of them now and that's a far better solution of course.
Kali lp unf vs kali lp 6 v2.... Which one would you recommend for someone starting his journey into hi-fi..
rellay nice review I have the Yamaha HS7 and they are great for mixing mids and highs, but I always struggle with correct bass placement. . I need something to check my final mix volume wise, especially for the bass.
If you had to choose between the Kali UNF and the Neumann KH 80, with which one would you go with?
I like that you’re coming out straight out the bat calling certain brands & models garbage 🗑️. Enough of this tip toeing on what u say, if it’s garbage then so be it - these companies have to learn. 💯. BTW I have the In-8s and I like them a lot more than my previous Yamahas. The imaging on them are beautiful IMO. 👊🏼
awesome video. love to see something get so much praise from you. if i had known about these i might have gotten them before the lp6
Although the producer is adamant that one should not listen through them at a distance larger than 80cm, do You think we could go slightly above that? Like for instance around 97cm? Otherwise I would have reduce the size of my displays.
I got around to testing these, with the 1 foot extra long cable. The Bluetooth feature is GREAT, and it's awesome how simple these are to use and set up/config. Very good, clean, linear sound with nice depth, and decent bass! But they just don't sound very powerful, compared to my HSU HB-1 MK2's. :) A great purchase for basic users wanting improved sound on their TV, or for small parties, or basic computer use 👍 Purchased for only $250 on Amazon, and $10 for the extra long cable from Kali's site.
Great review; thanks! Would these be a good choice for casual bedroom listening, or would I be better off with quality budget consumer speakers & amp? I understand their strong point is desktop mixing - (0.8m away) and have seen folks online say that studio monitors are not what you want for just jamming tunes in hifi... but the descriptions of these make them sound perfect for listening to records and apple music in bed (other than the fact that it's 9 ft away). The title is ".. Perfect Desktop Speaker?", I know.. is the dropoff in quality that dramatic? Would something else be more immersive?
I haven't heard such a clear cut recommendation from Erin before. What about the IN-UNF?
Edit: yeah there's another vid on that one as well on this channel!
LP-UNF vs HS4 vs Eris 5BT 2nd Gen (hoping and waiting for them to release the 2nd gen without bluetooth).
The Kali ones seem like they might be the best but the most expensive also.
My experience with Eris speakers so far has been they have a big midrange suckout that needs a lot of work.
Hi! How does this compare in sound compared to an Elac DBR62 if used in the near field?
I would also be interested in the answer since the Elacs are also often recommended/used as desktop speakers.
Your kidding right. I have the DBR62s and their not meant for desktop use.
I think the new adam audio D3V might have this one beat, curious how the Kanto Ora & Ora 4 are as well
No, it doesn't have this one beat. this one gets deeper in the bass and is better with getting louder before limiting and compression sets in. the D3V is good but not LP-UNF good. and I know this from using both in a friend's home studio space
Any concerns with these using digital crossovers that cap your resolution to 24/48, especially since there is no digital input to bypass the ADC? Since like a pretty big shortcoming but most seem to dismiss it.
Nice work Erin. Thoughts of these vs the Neumi BS5P?
Hey brother. I need a quick and honest answer. I have to choose between kali lp unf vs kanto ora. Which speakers will be a better choice for PC? Mixed use, multimedia, music, gaming. What would you recommend?
I’ve only seen data for the Kanta and it does look good. But I would have to personally default to these Kalis, because I measured them and heard them myself, and am impressed by them.
What did you choose in the end? I'm in the same situation as you... Kanto Ora are slightly smaller and on a desk they are probably most likely nicer to look at. But is there any comparison in sound quality between the two? The further doubt is that the Kanto Ora 4 will be coming out soon...
@@canarinis Hey. I bought kanto ora because of its smaller size and in my opinion more pleasing design. I currently use it without an additional subwoofer and despite that they play very well. Which is surprising because they are tiny. For comparison, my old Edifier MR4 play much worse, and they are 2.5 times bigger than Ora. Very good speakers whether for use with or without a sub, if you like their minimalist look and you care about small size buy them asap. I also listened to Kali, the sound is great but a bit too flat for me, ora just sounds more fun to me, the kali design is also definitely worse than Ora, and the quality of the used materials is average at least. They are also noticeably bigger.
@@VAKK3R Thank you very much. I also purchased the Ora (new white version)
Are they good at low volume listening under 60db?
These or the kali IN-8 or IN-5? Your favorite out of these?
The IN series are definitely better. But they are larger and 2-3x the price.
Personally, I don’t have the deskspace for anything that large so I would use these.
These would be so perfect for this use case if they only had an intelligent sub out that high passed signal to the speakers like Vanatoo does. Charging $350 instead with only that one addition and I think they'd still be worth it.
Is it possible to connect these monitors to an android device via usb-c, for example a tv box or phone?
Great video! I just ordered these speakers and I've got a question about the USB connectivity. My PC does not have any USB-C ports, so would it be possible to connect these speakers with a USB-C to USB-A cable? And would this have any (negative) side-effects? Thanks!
Same here, no problem at all with that...just like there's no problem connecting an SMSL DAC with only USB-C input to the USB-A outputs on my PC.
Great review!!Are these good just for listening Hard Rock/Metal on a PC?
If no,are there any suggestions at that price range?
Thank you!!
Yes and yes
in studio land it's standard for the subwoofer to have TRS or XLR pass through to your mains, and there are very few audio interfaces that support RCA so TRS is the clear choice.
These look astonishing, i almost want to buy them for no reason.
I would love for you to review and measure the yamaha HS8s, they're my main monitors and despite their popularity they're also a bit of a laughing stock and i'm not sure why. They seem to measure flat as a tack from other sources but people say the mids are a joke and there is too much treble? I'm not sure, i really like mine. I picked them over 10 other options that i listened to. Your insight would teach me so much.
HS8s are excellent speakers especially for full range monitoring. I personally chose Kali but Yamahas are definitely competitive. I think Yamahas are a little brighter but pretty balanced overall. And Yamahas are built to last.
You're right!
I'm looking at the data vs the JBL 305 review you did, am i correct in interpreting that the jbls measure better than these?
How would you say these compare to the Monolith speakers you reviewed that are $250/pair?
Would you say these have better audio quality than the Kali Audio V 6.5 monitors? Or does one become more favourable than the other based off how far you’re sitting from the monitors? Hmm MM-6 for tv use? Awesome video and great info! Thank You!
I think the LP-6 V2 is still the better choice if you have the space but for a more compact set up, this is truly the best speaker that I’ve come across in this category.
After directly A/B testing them in the same room at Kali's office I'd say the LP6 sounds a bit better, but if you need the space savings these are the best option at this price.
@@ErinsAudioCornerThank you!
@@stevenswallThanks
Would love to see the Monolith MTM-100 comparison. I know Joe N Tell positively reviewed them but would appreciate if you get a chance to review them as well, especially with this as your reference for $300 powered speakers. While the MSRP is higher, $500, I've seen them go on sale multiple times and did purchase myself for $300.
Maybe I'm just looking for more validation 😂or at least hearing what the competition in the price market is capable off.
I have these in, also. They're legit. I like the accuracy of these more. The MTM-100's do some interesting things, but aren't as neutral.
@@joentell I just got my RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII to pair with these...oh boy! For $680 that's a pretty good desktop setup 😉😂
@@adame52 oh, I bet!
9 months in and I could use an educated opinion on how these compare to the ADAM Audio D3V recently released.
If you've not lost patience... He has a D3V review coming since Adam is sending him a pair but I'd hazard a guess the LP-UNF will get louder with less limiting
How do these compare to the Neumann KH80? Is there a massive difference or are they both good?
Erin has measured both, so you can compare the data for yourself. But in a nutshell, the KH80 is the substantially better speaker in almost every respect except deep bass (the Neumanns are smaller and it shows) - response flatness, horizontal and vertical dispersion, level handling and distortion. So you definitely get something more when you're spending more than twice as much (plus the requisite audio interface or DAC or at least line isolator needed to connect a computer to them).
If the LP-UNF had been available last time I bought speakers for the office PC, I would have picked up a pair - going for KH80s or Genelec 8010s / 8020s would have seemed awfully decadent there, not to mention the lack of a convenient front volume control and power switch. This is basically the target market for a system like the LP-UNF, smallish multimedia speakers that are actually good while remaining somewhat affordable. We're not exactly drowning in those. If you have space for some 5" class monitors, things suddenly get a lot more crowded.
awesome, thank you. Is any electronic noise hearable when there is no musik?
nopes
Would love to see a comparison with the Polk ES20s!
You're gonna revolutionize the market if you don't watch out, Erin.
Nice review 👍 have you tried the Adam t7v or a7v?
Can you hear hiss with no music playing?
I didn’t hear any.
@@ErinsAudioCornerNeither did I. The only issue I had was some odd noise, static-y clicks, when using the USB-C input when starting, pausing, or scrolling through music or videos. I've owned 10-12 USB audio devices (DACs, DAC-amps, and interfaces) and never experience anything like that. Kali customer service attributed that to a firmware issue, sent me a paid label to return them directly to Kali, and the replacements are en route. Hope that solves the issue because they really sounded great over the 5 days or so I used them before the return.
And the replacements are absolutely fine, no odd noises, no hiss.
Thank you Erin!
Man! Those tests look great! Unfortunately they're a little big for my setup. I currently have the Audioengine HD3 which I run on their sides with the desktop angled stands. If you've never tried a pair, I'd like to see how they test. They cost about the same as these Kali speakers.
Amazing review as always, and to my surprise these are available for purchase in european stores!
While we're on the topic of good budget speakers available in europe, any chance you'll be reviewing the Swissonic A308? The A306 seem to have gone out of stock after your positive review 😅
Thank ypu so much for the video. You probably don't do requests but, was thinking the new Edifier S3000 mk2 could be interesting. They're reasonably priced. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the planar tweeter in them, which isn't that common in monitors, I guess. They also connect wireless between the two speakers.. 😊
Kali lp-unf vs iloud mtm which one is better
Thanks Erin, just bought these through your Thomann affiliate!
Klipsche Pro Media THX series will give these a run for their money and they include a ported sub for $150.00. I pulled the plate amp from the Klipshe sub and put it in a sealed box I made tuned to 35hz with an Alpine 12 inch car sub...Now this system really kicks ass.
Looking at some of the car audio drivers available I’ve wondered how they would work as a home sub.
I doubt the Klipsch Promedia will outperform these. The 6.5 inch sub probably isn't going to blow anyone away either.
Seems really nice. Does it have any hiss noise when not playing anything like the jbl 306p?
I didn’t notice any.
Much quieter. I had the JBL 306P and the hiss annoyed me. Kali Audio used to use the same amp on the LP6 v1, so they switched it on the v2.
I would love to see a passive version of these as well.
Then it would be without DSP correction.
Thanks mate good to have some desktop options to be able to refer to, once again appreciate your time and knowledge for these reviews.
wondering how these would compare to the old school standard for studio monitors the Yamaha HS7 & HS8 on a technical sound level?
How does theese compare to the swissomics?
They look great. But man, if only these had a sub out and maybe more digital inputs like Optical and Coax.
Sub out ..... DAMMM I would buy in a heartbeat to replace my JBL 305
The algorithm recommended these for my garage... I could stream some goodies while I work on my cars.
For your garage, definitely look into the Kali IN-8
@@Ry-lx2kl Thanks for the advice. I will look into it.
@@Ry-lx2kl Seems a bit overdressed for the garage. I'd say in that application you want cheap + _oomph,_ so like a traditional 8" 2-way (e.g. LP-8 v2). Also, garage usually means unbalanced consumer audio sources, so that would have to be taken care of as well. And you need a monitor controller or other form of volume control.
@PileOfEmptyTapes the 3 way will be able to play louder while remaining low in distortion due to the music being split between 3 drivers. There will also be a better off-axis response. If you're going for cheap and loud, get something like a pair of Alto TS408's for $500. They can put out 130db with 1000w rms each. If you're not throwing a party or trying to project beyond the garage, the Kali's are an excellent choice for quality sound that goes deep
@PileOfEmptyTapes I have two pairs of Klipsch RF3's in my garage powered by a QSC 2450a commercial amp delivering 325w to each speaker. My music can be heard clearly from over 100 feet away. I'm using a DBX GoRack for volume and effects. Being able to add compression makes the big speakers sound better at normal volumes.
Ty; I love a good recommendation!
How do these compare to the Yamaha hs5?
I‘ve been absorbing all Information i can find on speakers in my price range and i found a used pair of Kali 8v2‘s for the same price as the UNF‘s mentioned here. I do want to DJ for fun in my room and also host small-ish partys indoors. Im not sure wich ones to buy bc the UNF seem to sound better with less low end and less volume. I do not want to buy a sub (at least not right away).
Please help me out man, im a big fan!
That's a complete no-brainer - used LP8v2s all the way! Those will go substantially louder and play deeper bass. A 4.5" system is personal / desktop audio and a far cry from PA, an 8" gets a lot closer. Per Erin's results, the LP-UNF will top out at about 91 dB SPL, while the LP8v2s will manage about 102 dB... not exactly happily, but they'll do it. As the saying goes, there is no replacement for displacement, and an 8" has a lot more Sd and Xmax so will have physics on its side. If you want it loud, size matters.
Do keep the different cabling requirements in mind, as well as the need for an external volume control of sorts.
all the videos I've watched doesn't show how they're powered up at least you showed a wire coming off the back and I guess the wall plug plugs into the rectangle electronic plug that goes into the speaker. Also no one is mentioning how long the wire is between the two speakers. Important for me to know cause I'm using a desktop pc which is hooked to my 55" tv you see! Thanks Cal
Affiliate link didn’t work for me on amazon
Hmm. Maybe try this one?
amzn.to/3Ptvtu3
hmm can you test the iLoud micro monitors?
Do I miss something or is that kali subwoofer review not to be found ?
$499 Subwoofer Shootout: Kali Audio WS-6.2 vs Yamaha HS8S. The Kali is a BEAST!
ua-cam.com/video/QdblDuX1JDg/v-deo.html
@@ErinsAudioCorner Oh thanks i really missed it then :D
These vs the kef lsx2 lt? Are more expensive but might be better or not worth the extra price?
Hard for me to say to be honest. I’m a fan of Keith products and a coincident Driver in the Nearfield is a nice thing to have. But they are a good bit more expensive than these.
@@ErinsAudioCornerye.. I’m a fan too 🙈 thx!
@@ErinsAudioCornerKeith Blades
Kali is king.
Neumann KH80 you say? I don’t see a review of that from you yet. EDIT: I see your patrons are currently feasting their eyes :)
AudioEngine is a very well known active desktop speaker brand - will we see a review?
Hey Erin, are you going to review the WS 12 (ver 2) soon?
Mmmm, probably not. I’m about to move to a new neighborhood and I’ll have to see what it’s like before I start dragging subwoofers out into the backyard and blasting them with test tones. 😂😂
@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks. One more question.. would you say the KH 80 are superior to these LP UNF? I would sure hope so as they are triple the price... (Also have the ability to do DSP room adjustment with the add-on mic)
Heard you are reviewing KEF Blade 2 Meta!