Muhle R89 vs Edwin Jagger DE89 Are they the same?
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- In my new series Shaving Myths and Legends, we will dive into popular beliefs and traditions. In a search for fact or fiction.
in this first video, we look at The Mühle R89 and the Edwin Jagger DE89
MYTH NUMBER 1.
The DE89 and R89 have the same head.
MYTH NUMBER 2.
Edwin Jagger and Mühle collaborated to make the two razor heads.
in the series, I will be in direct communication with companies and I will apply scientific methods when applicable.
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Hi Tobin great Video!
The one thing that is the same is the 89😅
I know that for a long time but you make better videos for debunking some crazy things in the Shave World! Because when you look both only with the eyes they are totally different! And I also called Mühle in Germany they said the same like to you!
Have a great day Tobin, and more from this.
Thanks Robert, I really don't understand how people can say that they are the same head but yet they have different measurements it doesn't make any sense to me it's like saying that a size 7 shoe is the same as a size 11 shoe.
And thanks for letting me know that you also called Mühle. I invite everyone who disbelieve us to do it.
Have a great weekend!
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@@RobertsClassicShavemaybe they should make ketchup so they can see 😅
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I thought they collaborated and had the same head. Thanks for setting the record straight.
I thought the same thing for years. I started learning the truth back in 2020 after talking with Ben and Shave It Shave Co.
Have a good one Robert!
Love it, Tobin! The fact that you went to the trouble of contacting both companies does not surprise me one teeny, tiny bit.
More, please.
Thanks, Lee!
And you got it!
Tobin! Fantastic series start sir! LOVED IT! Keep up the hard work of bringing the truth for all of us wet shavers!
Thank you! Will do! It was fun making it, I think you'll really appreciate my hat that my wife is making me for the second video I made the hat for this video could you tell LOL it was my second attempt🤣
@@Tobins_throwbacks There was a hat? LOL.
@@ATexanShaves lol
Seriously bro, fantastic video, concept, and the raw data can't be refuted. It's excellent! Not just saying that cause I love ya 😘
Thanks, Andy! I have high hopes for the series. I'm going to challenge the thinking of a few things in the community. All of which I hope to deliver on.
Love ya too! 😅😊
Maybe some folks assume that because the head design is so similar. They both look like that characteristic classic modern DE razor that I’m sure has been copycat’ed for years now because it works. Us wet shavers will certainly make up our own conspiracy theories. 😂 Nice vid brotha.
I agree that and that they both have 89 in the name.
And yeah, definitely our fair share of conspiracy theories. 😅
Hope you're doing well!
"Fact or Fiction", great series start. Thanks for debunking this myth, like you said many blogs are full of the collaboration myth. Personally I've always enjoyed the EJ DE89 over the Muhle R89, even R89 has milder specs, they definitely shave differently for me. Take care brother👌🤠👌
Thank you sir! They absolutely shave differently I agree.
Have a great weekend Lawrie!
Nice video, Tobin. I love your approach, and I LOVE your Muppets t-shirt... so appropriate for this video.
Having only been in the wet shaving community since December 2023, I've heard that they are different in several ways. R89 being more mild than the DE89 and the thread post in the R89 is brass where the DE89 thread post is magzinc.
Havr a great night in Shnerdville😅
Yeah, the measurements Myth is sometimes quoted correctly.
Thanks Brian I love this shirt and the Muppets! I grew up watching the show and still occasionally play old episodes of it and The Flintstones.
Have a great weekend!
@@Tobins_throwbacks Yabba Dabba Doo!
Love the detective work - looking forward to more of this series!
Thanks John!
Just outstanding for debunking this "simple" example of people repeat what others say.
It has always been a big thing for me when people do this.
Thanks Marcus!
Same, it's a pet peeve of mine lol.
Have a good one!
A++ LOVED IT! This one really hits me.
I started off with the muhle r89. Too mild and just didn’t work for me. Later I tried the EJ DE89 and liked it way better. More efficient and easier to work with.
Ppl always said I was crazy and parroted that same none sense that Muhle worked with EJ for the DE89 & they are the same razor just different handles.
Glad to know what I felt was real & they are in fact different.
Really liked how you went to the sources old school style.
Very well done sir!
I had a similar experience in a forum
Thank you!
Definitely not in your head! The Mühle is absolutely milder. Which is why the Rocca makes sense on a few levels (love that razor too).
My eyes were opened to the truth a couple years back while talking with Ben the former owner of Shave It Shave Co.
And it just makes zero sense to me why either company would lie about it.
Hope you have a great weekend
The number of times I have heard this one is just mind-boggling! And from people don't have both, to boot.
Same!
This is a great series Tobin. Fact vs Ficton, love it. Open, objective, factual, and proven. Can’t wait to see what is next! Best regards, Glenn
Excellent, this will be a great series. I went in with the philosophy, buy them all, try them all, sell what you don’t like. Thats the only way I could see what suits me . Your series will give a shaver that can’t go about it thar way, some hard facts to utilize. A lot of personal preference and regurgitation that gets turned into flexable soft facts’ish 😂. Well done sir.
😊 thank you! That's me too, I bought the Muhle just to compare it to the EJ a few years back.
My preference is the Rocca😅
And you're right!
Thanks!
Nice! Well, not surprising to me, I've never heard those myths before, but it is an interesting one. I did see an interview with the CEO and from the way he talked about their razor design, a collaboration with Muhle seems very unlikely. Interesting series, should be fun! Take care!
Oh man the collaboration is all over the forums. It's like biblical knowledge to most.
C'mon Ian get with the program!😅
You wouldn't by chance know where I could find that video by chance? I don't think I've seen it.
And thanks brothers!
@@Tobins_throwbacks I'll have to look around, but I watched it on UA-cam. I'll link it if I find it. That's the shnerd in me that needs to research things all the time.
Wow! Extremely well done, sir! 👍 I've seen Chicken Littles 🐔 claiming you are wrong on Facebook and had to come to see your argument.
And I must confess, you make a valid argument using, as you said, logic and science. 🧪 And the fact that you reached out to both companies and then provided contact information is impressive. 🤝
Thank you kindly yeah I saw that. I just shared the contact info a few times.
People will believe what they want to believe.
To the people who don't believe me I just want to invite them to call either company.
I really love your passion for shaving I didn't even know this was a thing when I found out it was a thing I started making my own videos with shaving and people would watch them I still don't understand why people would watch this it's something you do at the age of 16 nobody even taught me how to use a straight razor I just used one or straight razor was my first razor ever I'm 47 years old watch this video and found it to be fascinating I think I'm going to make more shaving videos, you got into the different type of brushes I never even thought to make a video like this before I lather up with a $2 brush shave and on with my day but somehow I keep coming back to your Channel watching these videos. because of your video I'm thinking about buying a new brush it's $6 I feel mad to pay $6 because I never paid $6 for a brush before in my life but I want to because of your video now they're up shave on the day keep up your awesome content and I hope to make more videos myself on shaving.
Thank you! I just spent the last half hour watching some of your videos!
Epic!
Thanks Man!
@@Tobins_throwbacks Thank you so much mostly events and holidays in my town but more shaving videos coming soon.
Nice video. I've heard the first myth a few times but never used either razor. Information you provided definitely debunks both of these. Nice shirt. Have a great weekend
Thanks, Mike! I recommend the EJ89 over the Muhle just because it's more efficient
Have a good one!
Great content as always Tobins. I am looking forward for more episodes of myths and legends maybe a pt 2 on where and when the myth originate.
Thanks, Javier! I have a few more planned in the series.
With the origins that might be difficult to track. I think a lot of it has to do with the similarities of the head and then also the name that both companies gave them as well as the proximity of them both being released.
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Lol thanks guys!
Excellent job. Thanks
Thank you!
Love it
Thanks Al!
Thanks for this.
What I had heard was that they worked together on the basic design, then fine tuned it for each of their markets. Given the timing of the launches, the very similar appearance, and the "89" in both names, it's not hard to see where such a belief sprang from.
But you're right; if that were true, there would be no benefit to either company to denying the collaboration. Guess the similarities come down to great minds thinking alike.
Yeah, I'm still not entirely positive tbh. I just don't understand why if it wasn't true they wouldn't want to embrace it and I don't understand why people say that the heads are the same when the measurements are different yes they look similar.
We see similar things in the auto industry, but no one would claim they are the "same".
Have a great weekend and thanks!
Great info Tobin. Thanks for the research. Love your t shirt. 👍
Thanks William 😊
Amazing content! Finally the truth! Thanks Tobin
Thanks Francis! I just want to invite everyone who doesn't believe me to call Muhle and Edwin.
Robert another UA-camr did and they told him the same thing.
Have a great weekend!
Brilliant! 😅 I love your blanky btw😊
Thank you! 😊
Tin foil hat and the blanket 😅😅😅 laugh out loud for real!😅
I had hoped that it would go over well lol
Good Debunk. I have never used de89 or r89. I always thought they was the same. I do have a Gillette heritage razor and from what I heard/read the head is supposedly identical to the r89 head.
I actually have a video planned to discuss exactly that. I'm calling it "Attack of the Clones". Going to look at the Tech clones too, just the common ones.
But you are correct, I own a King C.
And thanks Manny!
Great info, thanks!
You bet! Thanks David!
I'll have to come back in a couple of weeks and read the comments LOL😅
😅😂💯
😅 ha! I hope it's perceived well lol.
I wonder where that rumor originated from? Maybe cause of the name having "89" in it? I don't have the R89, but I do have the EJ-De89 and it's still one of my fav razors.
I've wondered the same thing and I believe you are correct it has to be that they look similar they both came out around the same time and they both have the number 89 in them.
But I think is most likely is that someone got wind of the other person's razor and stole the plans something more nefarious like that. Like a Mühle Mole lol. I don't know lol
The R89 is considerably milder than the DE89.
I'm going to do a side-by-side shave and discuss my experiences with the razors.
Have a good one!
Can you make a video on your top adjustable safety razors? Cheers!🍻
Hey Francis, absolutely! Thanks man!
I also contacted both companies, and was told different information. I didn't use the word 'partnership', which, to me, implies they held equal shares in a limited company; they didn't. I asked if they collaborated in the original design and tooling costs. I was categorically told yes, they shared equipment costs, but since then both companies have their own manufacturing process and have changed the specs of the razor. I no longer have the emails, but the information from Muhle came directly from the owners and is referenced in the following video at 13:49 ua-cam.com/video/uzxB_4nZffM/v-deo.html
Yeah, I'm not sure I just got done watching your video for the first time that was a great shave.
I wonder if you give them a call what they would say?
While on the phone with both of them I was very clear with my questions I wasn't just questioning a partnership I was questioning any sort of collaboration or communication between the two companies and both companies denied ever communicating with the other company.
At least to me, they did, another UA-camr Robert's Classics called Muhle and they told him what they told me.
All I have to rely on is what they told me on the phone. I spoke with both companies for roughly ten minutes.
@@Tobins_throwbacks I'm sure you were very clear; I didn't think it would be a miscommunication, but I thought to mention it, just in case. It's quite odd and I'm not sure what to make of it, to be honest. Your video was very interesting, especially when you measured the gap! lightening bolt moment! Nice one. Have a good day, mate.
Edwin Jagger came up with that design way earlier than Muhle, why would they ever partner with a company that has copied their work ever?? Partnership for what?
Right? EJ said they made their razor before Muhle made the R89 lol
I left that out of the vid 😅
Tobin, great video! You are the Shave Buster...Debunking Myths in the World of Wet Shaving! The Truth is Out There...(queue the X Files theme music) Love the tin foil hat btw....
Thank you! In each episode I'm going to try and wear a different "style of tin foil hat"
Oh and I was tempted to play some X-Files music but was afraid of copyrights lol
Have agreat one Sam and thanks for joining the Razor Fund!!!
@@Tobins_throwbacks Have a great weekend, Tobin and the Thanks goes to YOU! 🙂
Any follow-up to the I fly you buy volume 3 episode?
Yeah tonight or tomorrow. Just need to record it 🙏
Thanks Tobin. Not as fun as RRR but a good video. Working on my foil hat and bowtie
A tin foil bowtie would be epic! Add more videos planned and more styles of hats LOL that my wife is going to help me with
And thanks Mike!
Hi Tobin 👋🏻
Great Video Sir.
But I wonder why even their soaps, shaving creams etc. look the same?
But if one head has a gap of around 0.4 mm and the other of around 0.7 mm why nearly nobody noticed a difference? Does they have neutral and negative exposure? Because else I think you should notice it immediately.
By the way - Tobin do you have a Video where you reviewed in a shave both razors side by side?
Would love to see your opinion - because I only own the Mühle R89.
Greetings from Germany 👋🏻
Christian
Hey Christian I don't have any videos of me shaving with them side by side although I've done many shaves like that on my own.
I think many don't notice because that's how powerful the mind is. People see what they want to see. The power of suggestion is real.
As to the soap, I don't know. That would be worth a phone call. But I do know this. Mühle claims ALL of THIER products are made in their factory in Germany.
I never owned any of Muhle or Edwin's soap/creams.
I'll definitely do a video with them.
If you call Muhle I'd love to know what they say about the other products.
Nice job and good to know. I have an entirely different question; I love my omega pro boar brush but I need a brush that drys faster for a daily brush. I’m looking into synthetic brushes but I don’t know what to buy. I want a brush its barber handle with good weight and one that has a good backbone and has a tall loft . Can you recommend a brush to me?
Thanks!
The combination of the three might be tough to come by. But, Pete Hendrix will have the Tall Boy handle available soon. I just messaged him about them.
I'd recommend reaching out to him and having him put a Franks G8 in it with maximum loft.
I genuinely think that might be the best fit for what you are looking for.
A great way to reach Pete is messenger or Instagram DM
hendrixclassics.com/products/the-tall-boy-brush-handle