Thank you Roman and Tommy, another discussion is Cars that should never have been canceled. Thinking FJ Cruiser, Honda Element, manual transmissions (Honda, Toyota, Nissa GT Nismo)
Personally I believe we may be looking at the last civic type R that won’t feature electrification, possibly the last fwd model as well. If the next gen CTR is a hybrid or phev AWD the current gen I believe will be very collectible. They already go for more than MSRP.
16:26 😊 LC500 has 471 horsepowers. It goes from 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. You can’t say it doesn’t have the performance. It is a sports coupe. Which performance are you looking for? You will drive this longer and have a better experience on road than Bentley or any Germany car in its category. By the way 16:22, this car sound well. I am surprised you think it doesn’t sound so well. Take time and listen to it.
The LC is my absolute favorite car right now and I've been saving for one, but he's right. The performance just doesn't match up. At that price, you have cars that are much quicker with much better handling and are better overall sports cars. That's not what the Lexus was meant to do though, so I'm not upset about it
Any vehicle with a V8 will be worth a ton of money in 20 to 30 years, especially SUVs with V8s. As more states ban the sale of new vehicles with V8s, the cost of buying used will be insane. Cars like the old body Corvette with go for hundreds of thousands of dollars, as will the Camero with the 6.2, the Lexus GX, the QX80, even the Armada, will fetch high dollars, pickup trucks will also be very expensive.
I think you are mistaken in your premise. Things that are built to be collectable are not what is most valuable in 30 years. It is the things that not many survive because they were abused or didn't sell well that become valuable collectables.
Another plus for the Lexus is it’s more than likely going to be the most trouble free and reliable car on this whole list. Higher end Lexus cars and SUV’s have the best build quality you can buy.
@@993miketrue but I feel like if I owned one I would not want to drive it and keep it in a garage. All cars over time don’t do well sitting. Maybe I will buy 2. Lol
It is impossible to tell what will be collectible in the future. I recently saw a car for sale that was popular at car shows 10 or 20 years ago, but now it seemed worthless because times have changed. The cars that were popular at car shows several years ago are not driving cars. They have sat in a garage for years, so what are you going to do after you buy it, put it in your garage, and look at it? I feel the same about any V8 like the Raptor or TRX because they are gas guzzling pigs, and 30 years from now, you won't be able to give them away. My neighbor has a suburban with a 454 engine and he doesn't drive the truck and nobody would want to buy it. The Japanese cars will probably be collectible because you can easily get 500 to 600 horsepower in a car that is a reliable daily driver. The only Porsche that could be collectible would be one that has a Honda K-series engine swapped into it. The Porsche is a "jallopy" that always breaks down and is expensive to maintain. But with a Honda K swapped engine, the Porsche has more horsepower/torque and becomes a reliable daily driver. No modern car will be collectible because of the technology integrated into them. Technology becomes obsolete in 5 years, and in 10 or 20 years, it would become difficult to find replacement parts. In 30 years, if someone tries to sell you a modern car with a touchscreen, it would be like buying a car with a record player or 8 track built into the dash. In 20 or 30 years, if you buy a modern car, you will have to remove the wiring harness and update all the computer controlled electronics if you want to drive it. In 30 years, the Honda S 2000 will still be a reliable and fun car that is capable of high horsepower but is not filled with useless technology. Roman has an old-fashioned way of looking at cars and placing value on the manufacturer or label and thinking a Porsche is more valuable than a Honda, Mitsubishi, Mazda, etc. To me, a reliable daily driver is valuable, and cars that break down or need constant maintenance are worthless. In the last few years the popular trend has been to de-badge your vehicle, or black out the manufacturer logo because brand loyalty is not as popular as it once was.
Speak for yourself. Sure the two door is cool…..but the raptor is truly a special piece of engineering. Having had ample wheel time with both, you can’t compare them.
The only issue with the NSX Type-S's collectability is that most of them were bought by collectors. So there will be no shortage of low mileage examples. Honda really screwed up the rollout of that model, giving dealership owners first dibs causing many interested buyers to miss out. As an LC500 owner -- the owner of the blue car in the video, to be exact -- a big +1 to their collectability. Both points are exactly right: on paper it's not an impressive car for the money, and it isn't selling well. Kinda like the LFA. And then at some point we all realized how great the LFA was, and their values shot up. Not that the LC will go that high, but if the new Land Cruiser is any indication -- 4-cylinder turbo hybrid -- Toyota won't be selling any V8's in the future. So the last V8 they put into the second most beautiful car they've ever built (after the 2000GT) is a good bet as a long term collector.
What a fun, fun video. First, I am very partial to the sedan section. I have always wanted a Pontiac G8 GT GXP, or a Chevy SS because they are fun, V8 cars that will hold their value. The wild part is that the Chrysler 300 is the same way. I hate that people would just stick them in a garage and never drive them because they are meant to be driven. That's the sad part about the Toyota Corolla you mentioned. But a few thoughts.. 1) NO WAY I'd get a Kia Stinger over the Acura TLX PMC Edition. No, no way. A handbuilt TLX? In a custom paint color? And you want a Kia? Have to disagree! 2) I do agree about the Jeep Wrangler. That'd be just such a fun one to have, and will collect value. 3) I agree about Porsche with Tommy. Amazing cars, but every time they do a "special edition", I feel like they water it down. Unless you get a degree in the Porsche world, it's almost impossible to keep track of every trim, engine and choices. Amazing cars but a little wild. 4) If I had to pick a daily, the Cadillac would be such a solid choice. A fun car in and out. 5) The Lexus is beautiful. I agree it'll be collectable as well.
There should be a 100% luxury tax paid by the seller on all vehicle sales over msrp for the first ten years after production. Stop car flippers and dealerships from being greedy.
Anything “paid by the seller” will be paid by whoever is buyer in the end of the day. The only thing that can stop greed is the end of the stupidity of buyers
Got my Diesel Jeep just in time before they discontinued it. Don't think I'll ever buy another Jeep, unless there's some miracle breakthrough in battery technology.
lol I hope in 30 years someone will make steel aftermarket to replace those jeep aluminum issue parts. The local Jeep dealership can't sell anything. The lot is so full it's not funny.
Currently own one that I think will appreciate: the Shelby GT350R Mustang. On the other end of the spectrum, also own a '15 Jaguar XK from new - depreciation on that thing has to be among the worst of any vehicle, value sank like a stone in just the first year and has continued to plunge! I bought it partly because it was going out of production, and I liked the design, still a great driving car. When it comes to cars, buy what you like (and can afford), but agree with Tommy, generally buying cars with the expectation of appreciation is a risky game.
Are we really supposed to take advice on cars as an investment from purchasers of a Kandi K27? If you are able to keep any of your choices for 20-30 years they'll definitely be rare. I don't know if all of them will be valuable though. I love a manual wagon!!! That's why I own an 18 year old Outback XT. Manual wagons are now rare as hens teeth.
I watch the various tfl channels until it says investment for any ICE car. Classics, fine. Investment, quite $tupid idea. As I said in a separate post, in 30 years we will not be able to buy gasoline or diesel to drive these. Anyone putting money in these will have an expensive statue in his garage. Look at the COP28 statement (same day as this video came out). Anyone thinking EVs are a fad is a complete id(I)ote and I am not an EV fan. I hate EVs but facts are facts and trends are trends and ICE cars are done. Just some people don’t understand it seemingly.
@@blueman5924 I’m guessing folks watching TFL are not typically in the market for that particular class of vehicle. Pretty safe bet a Wrangler 392 will not be in that class
You ppl can’t be this dimwitted. You understand he’s not giving “investment advice”. It’s UA-cam, it’s entertainment. Roman in fact is doing something right. Who the hell are you?
Did he just say we're living through the end of the V8 when even GM has invested almost 100 million into the next generation V8 in the last year or so? Turbo 6 and 4 cylinder trucks can't tow real heavy. They won't ever be able to tow heavy and survive either. Not how we make engines these days anyways. There will always be a market for big litre V8s.
@@omarmandujano6772 we're not talking about Diesel here though. Those won't be going anywhere anytime soon either. I have a feeling we'll be seeing the performance V8 for some time to come. V6 isn't shabby when mated to an electric motor but unless they're built like a tank they won't last. We're starting to see the cracks now with the highly boosted European cars and their inline 6's.
Ughh, cmon man…always will be outliers. But overall you’re seeing a huge contraction of large displacement engines. It’s not some mystery that you have figured out.
@@skunkworks9-3 but we can’t ignore this new tech my friend I have a 4 cyl turbo full size 2023 Chevy Silverado 1500 and honestly I can’t even tell except for how quiet it is also it toes pretty decent
If even a single Chrysler Fiat V8 Jeep lasts long enough to qualify for collector plates, I’ll shit my pants and eat them. Not bothering with the rest of the video 😂
What happens to ICE car values as gasoline fades out? Not talking about the next 5 years, but gas may be hard to get or just very expensive 10, 15, 20 years from now. It's a bad time to buy any kind of car these days because ICE is on the way out, EVs are not quite ready and hybrids generally have the same fate as gas cars. Keep your beater running as long as possible!
The internal combustion engine isn't going anywhere buddy. Do you not pay attention to anything? Nobody is buying EVs. There's way more supply than there is demand.
Thank you Roman and Tommy, another discussion is Cars that should never have been canceled. Thinking FJ Cruiser, Honda Element, manual transmissions (Honda, Toyota, Nissa GT Nismo)
Personally I believe we may be looking at the last civic type R that won’t feature electrification, possibly the last fwd model as well. If the next gen CTR is a hybrid or phev AWD the current gen I believe will be very collectible. They already go for more than MSRP.
Agree. The CTR is a much better car. BUT the most valuable ones on both sides will be the ones kept stocked.
16:26 😊 LC500 has 471 horsepowers. It goes from 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. You can’t say it doesn’t have the performance. It is a sports coupe. Which performance are you looking for? You will drive this longer and have a better experience on road than Bentley or any Germany car in its category.
By the way 16:22, this car sound well. I am surprised you think it doesn’t sound so well. Take time and listen to it.
4.4 seconds 😊
The LC is my absolute favorite car right now and I've been saving for one, but he's right. The performance just doesn't match up. At that price, you have cars that are much quicker with much better handling and are better overall sports cars. That's not what the Lexus was meant to do though, so I'm not upset about it
Any vehicle with a V8 will be worth a ton of money in 20 to 30 years, especially SUVs with V8s. As more states ban the sale of new vehicles with V8s, the cost of buying used will be insane. Cars like the old body Corvette with go for hundreds of thousands of dollars, as will the Camero with the 6.2, the Lexus GX, the QX80, even the Armada, will fetch high dollars, pickup trucks will also be very expensive.
I am with Tommy here, bad idea.
Wow. I found myself agreeing with Roman more than Tommy. Merry Christmas!
You can't find a CTS-V wagon now. I'd love one!
I think you are mistaken in your premise. Things that are built to be collectable are not what is most valuable in 30 years. It is the things that not many survive because they were abused or didn't sell well that become valuable collectables.
That Lexus is just beautiful. Not sure if it will ever really appreciate in value. However I would love to have one.
Another plus for the Lexus is it’s more than likely going to be the most trouble free and reliable car on this whole list. Higher end Lexus cars and SUV’s have the best build quality you can buy.
@@993miketrue but I feel like if I owned one I would not want to drive it and keep it in a garage. All cars over time don’t do well sitting. Maybe I will buy 2. Lol
I'm still in love with the Stinger.
Civic Type R hands down. The car is perfection.
Not just a CTR, an unmodified one.
It is impossible to tell what will be collectible in the future. I recently saw a car for sale that was popular at car shows 10 or 20 years ago, but now it seemed worthless because times have changed. The cars that were popular at car shows several years ago are not driving cars. They have sat in a garage for years, so what are you going to do after you buy it, put it in your garage, and look at it? I feel the same about any V8 like the Raptor or TRX because they are gas guzzling pigs, and 30 years from now, you won't be able to give them away. My neighbor has a suburban with a 454 engine and he doesn't drive the truck and nobody would want to buy it. The Japanese cars will probably be collectible because you can easily get 500 to 600 horsepower in a car that is a reliable daily driver. The only Porsche that could be collectible would be one that has a Honda K-series engine swapped into it. The Porsche is a "jallopy" that always breaks down and is expensive to maintain. But with a Honda K swapped engine, the Porsche has more horsepower/torque and becomes a reliable daily driver. No modern car will be collectible because of the technology integrated into them. Technology becomes obsolete in 5 years, and in 10 or 20 years, it would become difficult to find replacement parts. In 30 years, if someone tries to sell you a modern car with a touchscreen, it would be like buying a car with a record player or 8 track built into the dash. In 20 or 30 years, if you buy a modern car, you will have to remove the wiring harness and update all the computer controlled electronics if you want to drive it. In 30 years, the Honda S 2000 will still be a reliable and fun car that is capable of high horsepower but is not filled with useless technology. Roman has an old-fashioned way of looking at cars and placing value on the manufacturer or label and thinking a Porsche is more valuable than a Honda, Mitsubishi, Mazda, etc. To me, a reliable daily driver is valuable, and cars that break down or need constant maintenance are worthless. In the last few years the popular trend has been to de-badge your vehicle, or black out the manufacturer logo because brand loyalty is not as popular as it once was.
You guys know this...the GX is not the equivalent of the 200 series Land Cruiser. The LX was.
What about Camaro or Challenger since they've been discontinued
For the Porsche - Ill say the Dakkar edition will be more collectible than the GT3
If I had the money I would by a Blackwing
Agreed but they are selling for over $400k already.
The fact that 0 hellcat cars made it throw the entire video away
Enthusiasts will want the two door manual heritage edition Bronco more than the Raptor.
but the manuals are not as good on tough trails as the auto.
Speak for yourself. Sure the two door is cool…..but the raptor is truly a special piece of engineering. Having had ample wheel time with both, you can’t compare them.
the Jaguar XK convertible is gonna be a future classic......its such a superb GT....
The only issue with the NSX Type-S's collectability is that most of them were bought by collectors. So there will be no shortage of low mileage examples. Honda really screwed up the rollout of that model, giving dealership owners first dibs causing many interested buyers to miss out.
As an LC500 owner -- the owner of the blue car in the video, to be exact -- a big +1 to their collectability. Both points are exactly right: on paper it's not an impressive car for the money, and it isn't selling well. Kinda like the LFA. And then at some point we all realized how great the LFA was, and their values shot up. Not that the LC will go that high, but if the new Land Cruiser is any indication -- 4-cylinder turbo hybrid -- Toyota won't be selling any V8's in the future. So the last V8 they put into the second most beautiful car they've ever built (after the 2000GT) is a good bet as a long term collector.
Aaahhhh. The 2000GT
LATE MODEL SUPRA. Gorgeous pocket rocket
Im doing some math, and I am having trouble figuring out how the LC500 or the Wrangler 392 might be affordable but a CT5 Blackwing isn't...
😂
What a fun, fun video. First, I am very partial to the sedan section. I have always wanted a Pontiac G8 GT GXP, or a Chevy SS because they are fun, V8 cars that will hold their value. The wild part is that the Chrysler 300 is the same way. I hate that people would just stick them in a garage and never drive them because they are meant to be driven. That's the sad part about the Toyota Corolla you mentioned. But a few thoughts.. 1) NO WAY I'd get a Kia Stinger over the Acura TLX PMC Edition. No, no way. A handbuilt TLX? In a custom paint color? And you want a Kia? Have to disagree! 2) I do agree about the Jeep Wrangler. That'd be just such a fun one to have, and will collect value. 3) I agree about Porsche with Tommy. Amazing cars, but every time they do a "special edition", I feel like they water it down. Unless you get a degree in the Porsche world, it's almost impossible to keep track of every trim, engine and choices. Amazing cars but a little wild. 4) If I had to pick a daily, the Cadillac would be such a solid choice. A fun car in and out. 5) The Lexus is beautiful. I agree it'll be collectable as well.
some classic cars cyclicly increase/decrease in price for example Hemmings recently sold a 1983 Bustle back Seville for $29,000
There should be a 100% luxury tax paid by the seller on all vehicle sales over msrp for the first ten years after production. Stop car flippers and dealerships from being greedy.
To have free markets, you have to be willing to accept the annoying aspects of free markets.
Anything “paid by the seller” will be paid by whoever is buyer in the end of the day.
The only thing that can stop greed is the end of the stupidity of buyers
@@amazingjason455 to hell with the free market. Consumer protections are important.
@@Kahless00spoken like a commie
@@Kahless00a little communism anybody
Camaro ZL1 would be high on my list.
GR Corolla Morizo is 200 worldwide and not for the USA…is my understanding.
What about camaro , challenger and charger especially the high performance versions
Roman needs to get himself a Kia stinger GT tribute edition
Had a 99 Suburban I wish I hung on to.
What about the 2018 jk rubicon recon as a value in the future?
Sorry, but I could never imagine a time when a Chrysler 300 would be collectible 😅
Will fall apart before that happens either driven or stored.
My thoughts exactly. Even the Jeep and Kia will be parted out by then. Most of these new cars will not survive long enough to become classics.
@@user-cg7cc7zj3e 💯 agree
These things will last probably 10 years before a major computer failure totals them.
@@OBS4ever16 💯 agree
The Jeep Wrangler Diesel will be a collectable.
That diesel is garbage , wish they just put Cummins in it
Big surprise….Tommy picks the Wrangler 392
Durango Hellcat???
Ram trx as well
Got my Diesel Jeep just in time before they discontinued it. Don't think I'll ever buy another Jeep, unless there's some miracle breakthrough in battery technology.
Ecodisel? Junk dude
@@604h22a I’ve had zero problems with it
Why no mention of the Lexus IS 500?
U need the licon town car in that list therbwont be big cars soon
And the awesome Bmws M, example the V8 aspirated M3 E92. All the best.
yeh, the 2012/2013 coupe have held value really well.
lol I hope in 30 years someone will make steel aftermarket to replace those jeep aluminum issue parts. The local Jeep dealership can't sell anything. The lot is so full it's not funny.
Lexus IS500 in my opinion
Lexus all the way the jeep and bronco probably won't get 50 k miles
Currently own one that I think will appreciate: the Shelby GT350R Mustang. On the other end of the spectrum, also own a '15 Jaguar XK from new - depreciation on that thing has to be among the worst of any vehicle, value sank like a stone in just the first year and has continued to plunge! I bought it partly because it was going out of production, and I liked the design, still a great driving car. When it comes to cars, buy what you like (and can afford), but agree with Tommy, generally buying cars with the expectation of appreciation is a risky game.
Are we really supposed to take advice on cars as an investment from purchasers of a Kandi K27?
If you are able to keep any of your choices for 20-30 years they'll definitely be rare. I don't know if all of them will be valuable though.
I love a manual wagon!!! That's why I own an 18 year old Outback XT. Manual wagons are now rare as hens teeth.
you know tommy would really end up buying the Jeep 392
but…he could get a smokin deal on a reg Rubicon and get the Hellcat swap from America’s Most Wanted, then it’ll be unique.
Civic Type R LE, very limited
I have to say the Lexus in your list, I think, is Ugly as sin, but I do love the color 😅
Agreed. Looks like they took some of the styling influences from the hideous RX350 and applied them to the LC
Americans like to collect American cars. Porsche maybe, but probably not any Asian cars.
Invest your money wisely, not in a pile of scrap metal and plastic
Why are you watching these videos? lol.
I watch the various tfl channels until it says investment for any ICE car. Classics, fine. Investment, quite $tupid idea. As I said in a separate post, in 30 years we will not be able to buy gasoline or diesel to drive these. Anyone putting money in these will have an expensive statue in his garage. Look at the COP28 statement (same day as this video came out). Anyone thinking EVs are a fad is a complete id(I)ote and I am not an EV fan. I hate EVs but facts are facts and trends are trends and ICE cars are done. Just some people don’t understand it seemingly.
Evoque Convertible will be bringing big money one day
😅😅😂
You should do a video of all the cheap 80s cars that are becoming collectable.
Roman with more terrible adivce. NEVER buy a car as an investment. Horrible decision
well, the high ends like Porsche 918, 430 Scud, Laferrari, etc, have gone up about a 1/2 to a million, so one could argue your point.
@@blueman5924 I’m guessing folks watching TFL are not typically in the market for that particular class of vehicle. Pretty safe bet a Wrangler 392 will not be in that class
You ppl can’t be this dimwitted. You understand he’s not giving “investment advice”. It’s UA-cam, it’s entertainment. Roman in fact is doing something right. Who the hell are you?
I'll still say the early 2000s ford thunderbird will be big money soon. just like the first srt8 charger and challenger and magnum
Did he just say we're living through the end of the V8 when even GM has invested almost 100 million into the next generation V8 in the last year or so? Turbo 6 and 4 cylinder trucks can't tow real heavy. They won't ever be able to tow heavy and survive either. Not how we make engines these days anyways. There will always be a market for big litre V8s.
It is the end of the Performance V8 the regular Work V8 will exist for a little bit but by 2030 probably not
Btw the Cummings is a turbo 6 so it can tow and most semis use inline turbo 6s so the V8 isn’t necessarily the end all be all when it comes to towing
@@omarmandujano6772 we're not talking about Diesel here though. Those won't be going anywhere anytime soon either. I have a feeling we'll be seeing the performance V8 for some time to come. V6 isn't shabby when mated to an electric motor but unless they're built like a tank they won't last. We're starting to see the cracks now with the highly boosted European cars and their inline 6's.
Ughh, cmon man…always will be outliers. But overall you’re seeing a huge contraction of large displacement engines. It’s not some mystery that you have figured out.
@@skunkworks9-3 but we can’t ignore this new tech my friend I have a 4 cyl turbo full size 2023 Chevy Silverado 1500 and honestly I can’t even tell except for how quiet it is also it toes pretty decent
Hint: Next gen MX-5 Miata will be electric.
You guys forgot the VW Arteon. They only made a few thousand for the states.
Tuned it’s faster than the Kia. And no issues!
If even a single Chrysler Fiat V8 Jeep lasts long enough to qualify for collector plates, I’ll shit my pants and eat them. Not bothering with the rest of the video 😂
Terrible list! Buy an already collected car and hang on to it.
Very questionable selections.
Very questionable comment. Let’s see your list 🤔
What happens to ICE car values as gasoline fades out? Not talking about the next 5 years, but gas may be hard to get or just very expensive 10, 15, 20 years from now. It's a bad time to buy any kind of car these days because ICE is on the way out, EVs are not quite ready and hybrids generally have the same fate as gas cars. Keep your beater running as long as possible!
The internal combustion engine isn't going anywhere buddy. Do you not pay attention to anything? Nobody is buying EVs. There's way more supply than there is demand.
Eventually we will move to alternative but for that to happen we need nuclear energy. This may not happen in our lifetime
Sadly the Bronco Raptor doesn't look like a "JEEP!" Jeep fist bump, Jeep high five, Jeep butt slap, what ever else! Hear me!?