Great Cars They Killed Off WAY TOO SOON!
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0:00 Intro
0:19 Chevy SS
4:27 Kia Stinger
5:52 Ford Taurus SHO
9:01 Honda Element
11:35 Jeep Wrangler JL EcoDiesel
14:59 Cadillac Escalade EXT
17:20 Closing thoughts: What's the top vehicle that should come back? - Авто та транспорт
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Me first
There were approximately 540000 Taurus sold for the last generation in 10 years that's equivalent to less than the amount of Camry sold in 2 years what is stupid is the Taurus used to be a competitor do the Camry Accord Altima and cars like that then for some reason they stopped making it and decide to put a car called the fusion and its place when a lot of people like the Taurus and then they put the Taurus at a model level higher as a large car not a midsize doesn't make any sense could you see Honda stop making the Accord and then sign another car called the nuclear or something and then come out with a new a cord that's over 10 or 15000 more in what percentage of those Fords sold we're actually cop cars
The Taurus is been said to be remarkable how small of an interior they can have for such a big car
140 lb feet of torque isn't almost 200. Got to be like saying my car has 200 horsepower when it only has 140 huge difference
The SS didn’t sell well because nobody knew it existed. They didn’t market it. AT ALL
I remember the first time I saw one, it was an older Asian women that parked next to me at work I thought it was just a newer economy car didn’t really give it a second glance until I heard her start it up one day and it blew my mind lol
Also no one knew what it was. It looked like a Malibu. Rather a more restrained Malibu. Personally, I love sleeper cars and this is among the best.
I don’t remember even seeing these on dealer’s lots! You can’t sell what you don’t have.
Chevy made it a sleeper that almost everyone slept on.
Same scenario for the Buick Regal Tour X wagon. GM is infuriating with their marketing practices a lot of times.
My 2016 6 SPD manual SS took a lot of effort to order because most dealers were clueless. Once ordered I waited 8 months for it to arrive from Australia. It was so worth the wait!
Regarding Chevy SS sales, I'll summarize roughly - they sold all they needed. GM had planned to take a certain amount of Aussie production capacity for US sales. They had no desire to expand or extend production as Holden was winding down anyway.
GM should have done Holden a favour and marketed it in the US so they sold more and supported the Australian market sales.
@@MrJordanwain For 60K it still looked like a cheap Chevy. If you're paying that kind of money in 2014 you want something that looks like a 60K car, not a
30K Malibu. They were trying to compete with BMW 5 series or Mercedes E-class and it just didn't look as expensive, even though it could hang with them in the performance department.
Didn't they race that in NASCAR?
Holden were still very happy to take $2.17 billion in tax payer funding… for a dead product though!
It was over priced. Sure, you get a big engine but with meh interior.
Add the FJ Cruiser to your list. Excellent vehicle that could have been updated.
Hold their value very well, as well.
Cut into 4 runner sales and the bean counters didn’t like that. Both fantastic vehicles
My favorite is the Honda Element! I desperately wish they would bring it back! Keep it simple, N/A four cylinder AWD with the clamshell rear gate and the clamshell doors, I would buy one immediately!! If they brought back the SC and also did a soft-roader TrailSport version I am certain they would sell well.
Also the Stinger is a great car. My mom, who always drove the most practical cars her whole life, wanted a Porsche Panamera or Maserati Quattroporte when she turned 60 but they were well out of her price range. I blindfolded her and drove her to the Kia dealership and sat her in a Stinger and made her drive it. She ended up custom ordering a 2022 GT2 with the twin turbo V6, AWD and the updated red Nappa leather interior and she loves it!
I agree on the Element and I'd also even at the same price take the Stinger over the panamera
That Chevy SS is such a gem.
I have a cousin who has a Chevy SS. He has been keeping that thing as a collector. I have an uncle who kept a Taurus SHO in the 90s for several years.
These two are the best TFL duo.
By far. They aren’t over the top And the guy with the beard is very knowledgeable.
I do like my Element. Got it 5 years ago with 240K on it for $5500. Definitely a worthwhile, extremely practical car.
The SHO was only big on the outside. If it was similar in comfort to the Panther platform cars it would've held on a bit stronger.
Exactly. I liked the SHO but damn I have never felt a smaller interior in a bigger car. My Fusion Sport feels much bigger inside despite being much smaller.
EcoBoost Flex is a beast, can be made to look pretty cool and it's HUGE inside!
@@brly4542 I want one lol
@@onlyrog5The great thing about this era of Tarus/flex/explorers, is they can do basically anything you want. If you want an easy to tune performance monster, the Ecoboost motors have you covered, and if you want something really reliable, that will basically never break, those cars all have the legendary 3.5 duratec, known for being a very, very reliable motor aside from a small portion of people having issues with the internalized water pumps, which doesn't seem to be as common on the later build motors.
That SHO with all-wheel drive is pushing 4,500 lbs. The 2008-09 Taurus was cavernous. The 2010+ was a cavern. The Ford D3-D4 chassis (that was derived from the Volvo P2 chassis) was VERY cramped. The Police even complained about the fact that it was cramped. GREAT VIDEO!
I worked at a Colfax county in northern NM. To get around the county, I could use a black 2015 Ford Police Interceptor with normal black leather interior and no emergency lighting. I loved driving that car. Would drive I-25 at 130mph!
Just bought my Ruby Red Metallic SHO this year and I'm lovin' it ❤
I had a black 2010 ford Taurus SHO just like the one in this video. I had it tuned and man could that thing scoot from a stop. Definitely a sleeper.
Worked the engine on mine and it puts out 610hp now, a monster sleeper
@cadecope278 go get that first 10 sec 1/4 mile slip and become part of history
Until your water pump goes out...then your bank account goes to sleep.
@@arthuridis i heard about that but thankfully I never experienced it. I had it for over 5 years and it had like 105k miles on it when I sold it.
@@bigpoppa1992 You sold it at the right time.
Chevy SS is awesome! 415 hp is a ton of hp too. Shame about the Stinger- criminally undersold- maybe badge snobbery or too expensive for the brand?
The Element and Chevy SS are my faves from this video. Both look like fun vehicles to own.
Thanks for featuring the Element, I absolutely loved mine and would have easily bought another when my first one died if they had still been in production. I'm very happy with my current vehicle, but if Honda brought back the Element (with modern stuff like adaptive cruise, etc) I'd do what I could to get one ASAP.
Can't speak for the private version of the Taurus but the Police Interceptor version was discontinued because they used it to replace the Crown Vic. The Taurus PI was a lot smaller than the Crown Vic it replaced, resulting in most agencies going with the much larger Explorer PI.
Ford switched the Explorer to the CT6 platform and it was rear-wheel drive based at that point. (I think in 2020?) When they offered the 365 horsepower Ecoboost engine on the D-3/D-4 chassis they had to make all-wheel drive a mandatory option. There is only so much traction available from a tire and if you use the same set of tires to steer and drive it affects handling.
@@lvsqcsl The AWD Explorers were available prior to 2020 as well
Hey of all the things you do... I really like car hunting. It brings back great memories and is a hoot to watch you present these unique vehicles... Nice Job.
Brenden, 415hp IS a lot of horsepower even by today’s standards. How many other cars are making over 400hp N/A? Shucks today’s Chevy Camaro SS only makes 40hp more than this!
That SS was definitely cammed. Bet was fun to drive around. Also wonder where the engine covers went on the first two cars? You know that those cars were ragged out by the previous owner. Also that Taurus you better make sure the water pump has been replaced if it has 100k miles or less. Just get some quotes for a water pump install...while sitting. Also that 3.5L was a truck engine, and fuel economy was the same. The pre 2020 diesels were avoid at all costs. Last point; the Escalade. If it has the AFM, run as fast as you can. You will replace lifters, cam, heads, etc at some point. People say to change the oil regularly, but that doesn't eliminate the problem. May get you a few extra K before you have to do major engine work.
Got my 150k mile 2010 element AWD for 2200 in summer 2021. It's got 235k on it now. I've driven it all over tarnation. Even from Austin to Denver. Decent road trip vehicle.
The first car I thought of was the element. Glad you included it!
Tommy you need to find a 1988 Fiero GT with the V6 (last year of production) They finally made it into a true Sports Car, it would make a great story to drive it and race it vs a corvette from that time.
The problem with any modern diesel is the horrible emission laws that ruined them
The SHO engine was also in the Lincoln MKT
9:10 I'd bought 2009 Honda Element LX after my graduation. Traded in for $9875.00 in 2022 had light front bumper front end crash and light rear bumper crash. The only thing broke was the dome light bulb after 6 month Honda dealer purchase. I had moved to different homes twice with this car because after both rear seats removed, this is a light van. Still miss it today. Wishing there's a newer version coming.
The bronco sport or Kia soul have you covered there. Both are boxy, relatively affordable, reliable, compact crossovers.
I've been eyeing on the very handsome Bronco since I'm a long time F stocks holder. But the multiple recalls just frustrates me "especially" as a stock holder. Kia Soul, just love that little darling, smaller than Honda Element. Unfortunately have such a horrible 118 Highway at Chatsworth crash video on UA-cam. Sighhh...@@themidnighttavern6784
I have the Ecodiesel in the Grand Cherokee. Bought it new in 2014 and now it has nearly 190k miles on it and it's been wonderful!!!
The problem with the Diesel Grand Cherokee’s is that unless you are looking for using it for towing or off-roading nobody wants to buy them. So you end up with a low resale value on the used market. Right now there are top of the line Summit trim models being sold for the same price as regular v6 Laredo models with cloth seats.
@Inferno45 One thing that really stinks is how the MPG was reported on the window sticker is substantially lower than the actual MPG. I've see the same thing on several diesel cars and SUVs. If people did the research to see that in the CG the Ecodiesel gets roughly 10 mpg better on average than the 3.6 V-6 but if you're just looking around the lot and you see the diesel showed 4 to 5 mpg better the $5,000 for the diesel didn't sound good. I have towed with mine a few times but I normally use my truck and my off-roading is limited to driving on the beach on North Carolina's Outer Banks. What I love about it is that I've averaged 29 to 32 mpg, I've "heard" that deleted the mpgs go up to 35 to 38! I never really thought about the performance until I drove my friend's V-6 and after that I realized how much that 440 ft-lbs makes average driving much nicer. I think they could have done a better job advertising it. I've heard about big issues with them but I've only had a couple small issues in over 8 years. A friend of mine trading in his nearly new JL Wrangler Rubicon on one after he did a trip to Nashville from Maryland and back in the snow then we did the same trip a month later in even more snow but in my GC. He said it was so much more comfortable, handled the snow just as well, and used half the fuel. It was days after that trip that he made that trade. He ended up getting rid of it after a year and a half but that's because he had to get rid of his 1 ton truck but still needed some pickup stuff so got the Ecodiesel Ram 1500. I really don't know what I'm going to get to replace my Ecodiesel and my VW Sportwagen TDI when they finally get too old. There's not much out there that gets 30 mpg with the capability of the Grand Cherokee or the fun, hauling capability, and 50 mpg of my manual TDI 😭. Maybe I'll be able to pick up a low mileage Grand Cherokee Summit EcoDiesel for cheap 🫰🫰🫰
@@hitchedtohorsepower True. It also sucks because Diesel now costs $5 a gallon. So it turns people away from them. My v6 limited gets decent gas mileage 22 average but recently in the winter i lost like 2-3 mpgs.
The SS could've been as big as the Charger if they marketed it properly and the SHO and Stinger could've been far more successful if people actually gave them a chance
SS yes but no one buys Kia for performance, that's the problem. Their audience is quite sedate and practical.
@@spg5658 Yeah that and the Stinger GT was pretty expensive for something that wore a KIA badge - I think as of recently it's not as jarring to see a $50k KIA but when the Stinger debuted no one was willing to fork over that much money for one when they could get even more power for less money from a new Dodge Charger R/T.
Excellent episode!!! 😁
Love my 2012 sho, super comfortable and so cheap and last a while when you take care of it, kill it In the snow and even better on the drag strip
i wish they would've gotten the info right.... they even called it a 3rd gen
@@mcf3778 they nailed all of it for the little time it was on screen just be glad they didn’t say 6th gen Taurus
Thank you giving us the auction prices!
We miss our Elementary weekly. Not the most comfortable for long trips but man it was SO practical. Wished it was still made with modern technology and had a more trail-ready version for hunting/fishing in more remote areas.
not surprised the SS didn't sell for 20k. i found out about them 2 years ago and here in California they were going for 50k at the time. just checked right now and they are still pretty expensive at 40k.
I’ve always wanted the Escalade EXT. It’s one of my favorite cars
That Stinger has almost the same wheelbase as my Grand Marquis. Of course, you could put that Kia in the trunk of my Marquis. GREAT VIDEO!
The Holden Commodore was killed in Australia shortly after GM exited the market entirely. It is still a very popular model and has excellent resale value since they are no longer being produced.
I agree with Tommy, in that a Cadillac truck is needed. I would be interested for sure, since I often don’t need a big, beefy truck, but I want to be comfortable for long trips. This is the best of all worlds.
The best review on the SS is motor trend ignition with Jason Cammisa and Randy Pobst.
That SS has the same wheelbase as my Grand Marquis. I drove one and it handled very well. It was only available with the 6.2 V-8 and fuel economy wasn't good.
You don't buy a v8 ,6.2 litre for fuel economy
Chrysler Pacifica, the 1st gen, was the answer Chrysler needed, but they quit too soon
Great videos 😊😊
Definitely the SHO....badass car!
I love mine 💯👍❤
The Toyota Celica, Honda Prelude and the Nissan 240SX were also gone too soon along with the Ford Probe/Mazda MX6.
March 2018, I ordered an SHO from the factory and paid cash. By January 2020, I had put 32,000 miles on it, and I was ready to get rid of it. Although definitely fun and fast, there were just too many horror stories on the internet about how so many systems in it were poorly engineered. The PTU, the all-wheel drive, the water pump, just to name a few. The battery died in less than 1 year. Crew Carwash banned the SHO from its washlines as their equipment had a tendency to rip the factory fender badges off. I had to acquire some black plastic ones normally found on the police Tauruses and swap them out before they would let me patronize their business again. And there were no floor vents! Cold feet in the wintertime.
I sold it to Carmax and used the proceeds to buy a used 2011 Crown Victoria Interceptor; and I'm driving it to this day.
Those Ford Taurus are super reliable. I'm less sure about the crown vics.
The Kia Stinger… that car filled a complete market segment!! RWD, Turbo V6, Luxury, 7yr Warranty, sedan/Sportback. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I believe they even paired the infotainment with Fujitsu, with extra wiring harnesses… so installers could plug’n’play light bars etc for police and the controls would show up in the infotainment. Then on decommissioning there were barely any remnants of holes, mounts, wiring splicing etc
I'd like to own that Holden Commodore / Chevrolet SS,, always was uppermost in my car lusting mind, back in the day! LOL, empty tank, replacing tires but it was FUN.
I know another car they called too soon well to me they did. It was the Chevy Malibu SS it had a 3.9 liter v6 with 240 hp and 240 lb-ft of torque but it had a 4-T65E automatic and it was fwd but it was pretty decently fast for it's time. the SS went from 2006-2007 and then it was killed over in 2008 due to the seventh gen malibu coming out. Just thought i would let you about another car that was killed too soon.
They got rid of it bc the newer 3.6V6 in the new Malibu had 15 more hp & torque & they were coming into the bankruptcy era so they had to clean everything up. By 2012 when that gen ended the Malibu V6 had a auto 6spd & 0-60 in 6s flat.
guys, you should organize a trip to the other side of the pond… here in Europe almost ALL of the wranglers were diesels, with the CRD engine… and let me tell you, for offroading diesel is king! all the torque down low, and with a manual you don’t even have to ride the clutch that much (i have a Td5 Defender, and in low range i can start the engine up in gear!)
I currently own a pontiac g8 gt. I love it, but after my most recent 3k + mile road trip I've decided to sell it and upgrade to a SS. The magna ride and better seats are exactly what I need for the big road trips I want to take the car on.
The Saturn Vue a great suv for the money and it did offer a hybrid
Last time I bought a car I looked everywhere for a Honda Element but just couldn't find one with less than 250k on it. Such great care!
I purchased a new 2012 Taurus SHO in 2012. It was the biggest piece of crap I've ever owned. I had to dump it after 20K miles.
And those weren’t cheap. I hope you made out okay in the resale, though sometimes just getting out of something is enough.
I enjoy mine. Maybe you got a lemon 🍋 🤔
@@franzvanjulio5523 I don't remember exactly what I loss anymore..... But $10k comes to mind.
I just WISH we had the SS as a Ute. Modern El Camino.
The issue is that I never saw a commercial every hour about the Taurus SHO, Chevy SS, or the Pontic GTO/g8
And that was the problem. Not enough advertising.
I had a 2003 Element and loved it, was ready to upgrade to a new one but they killed it, WTF Honda ?
Internal water pump in Taurus. Big L for such a cool car
the cyclone v6 was the problem..... the transverse 3.5 in general was designed by.............................
@@mcf3778 the 3.5 duratec is in the Taurus, it had the water pump inside the engine ran by the timing chain
@@Tropicalfrooploops Then it started to leak and dilute the oil. Don't ask me how I know that..........
Not a common issue or really something to worry about.
I would like TFL do vid on I wish I had these cars especially from Australia like HSV GTS with LSA V8, ute version too, Ford FPV GT, GTP, F6 also ute version too. If want old school RWD sedan you get Mitsubishi Sigma or Nissan Skyline.
I own a Scion xD with Toyota 1.8L 4sp AT. What a fun and practical car. Styling is great if it's your taste. Easy to customize. But Toyota left Scion behind. The fun Toyotas.
I considered getting one, but the back seats were way too small. So I went for a Matrix instead. 2.4 4 cylinder engine with the 4 speed automatic and AWD. It has been great so far, no oil consumption (yet).
They still make the taurus for chinese and middle eastern markets
On the Taurus 3.5 V-6 the timing chain driven water pump is the downfall for these engine's.
Not really a common problem.
Wow! That Chevy ss is still 45 to 50ks. The only one I've see on the road was in the ChiPs movie. But their budget, that car was like buying donuts for the crew
You really SHOULDNT hose the Element. Easy to clean but don’t drain well.
I completely agree with the SS. I would’ve loved to have bought one. They’ll only go up. Especially stock ones.
Lastly the SHO is another sleeper I’ve liked. Never driven one. Always been afraid of the reliability of it because a Ford.
Interesting you're worried about the Ford which is exponentially better than GM, yet you'd want a Commodore SS. They sold them here new, Holden dosent exist anymore nor GM in right hand drive markets as their reliability is garbage. Those Commodores spend more time on a hoist than on the road.
Ford's are generally pretty reliable.
Loved the Mazda mpv
There's also the Chevy Caprice PPV along with the G8 to the SS
The Element was a very unique vehicle. Maybe Honda didn’t know how to market the car, which is why they killed it. It’s very tragic
Find the Ford Fusion sport 2.7 V6. Wet belt and weight killed it, crazy fast!! Expensive
The CHEV SS WAS AMAZING
The Honda element had a massive defect! The Waterpump! When you have to change it, it will cost you a fortune. And once they went out of warranty, people dropped them like hotcakes.
I love our stinger gt indigo!
The 3ltr diesel in the wrangler is an absolute lemon of an engine they like to randomly die for fun
I have a Holden Commodore 3.6l auto 2009 great car.
beautiful cars
hi, from Australia 🇦🇺.
Yep, 2014 when Australia actually made cars. 🚗
All gone by 2016. 😢
Diesel Wrangler - another con was that it has less GVW and towing capacity than the gas engine, eliminating half the reason you get a diesel.
I'm hoping to snag a Stinger this year
Honda clarity. Really underrated
I'm trying to keep my first-year manual Mazda5 alive - apparently no one but me loved it
Oooo I like this SS V8 the exhaust is smoking too! Impressive!!! $23,000 . Thanks guys
Sorry but the best part in this video is Alex's ad. But I really liked the VF Commondore with the Redline and HSV editions, Chevy just did not want it to succeed in the US... It would have sold better as the Chevrolet Caprice. Wierd that the 9C1 Caprice never got the same front as the SS and Commodore.
Yes
Maybe time constraints, but the Taurus SHO engine was actually a Yamaha engine with five valves per cylinder. Why it could rev so high. I hade the first version of the Yamaha five valve per cylinder engine in my 85 Yamaha FZ 750. You could go 22k without having to adjust the valves.
The Taurus was just another example in a long line of modern FULL SIZE cars with large exterior dimensions and perplexingly cramped interiors. This baffling package is the leading contributing factor behind the failure of the sedan market. Zero advancement. Poor functionality.
They should have gave the Chevy SS a proper name from their muscle past not just the trim level "SS"
The KIA stinger was always a fail for me because the concept car was a Miata/GT86 fighter.
If it comes back it should be that.
The Taurus is part of that large American family sedan segment that wasn't long for this world without a major overhaul and attitude change.
These cars are better found at a luxury dealer like Lincoln but they killed their cars too...
The Element would be awesome brought back as a 4Runner competitor, the name makes sense the styling is there but Honda refuses to make a Body on frame vehicle...
Diesel is still the superior powertrain for a SUV or truck but America doesn't seem to understand that..
The new Chevy Silverado EV would be better served with the avalanche name with the styling and the transition to a Cadillac version is a cake walk
The LR4 behind the KN Stinker was more interesting.
The ultimate sleeper with a LS3 and a 6MT and 4 doors
Jeep discontinued eco diesel for emissions and they over heat.
Honda Element is a true utility vehicle in my opinion
They should take that stinger motor and make a Telluride street truck
I thought the SS was a sported up Impala until a few years ago lol, they look so similar. Gonna have to disagree with you on any Tauruses, they can all RIP in my opinion.
Didn’t the Taurus cop car also come with the SHO drivetrain?
I bought my SHO 6-7 months ago and have been reading the same thing.
Yes. The Taurus Police Interceptor did have the SHO engine as an option. The 3.7 liter V6 from Lincoln was standard.
One of the problems for the SS is the charger hellcat came out a year later and stole all its thunder
How much for the Honda 200???
My coworker Brenden had the SS after selling his GTO. He would do Uber in it. Lol😂
The 1998 to 2002 Lincoln Continental were fast, reliable and comfortable.
Pontiac Sunfires and Cavaliers
Maybe a Cadillac version of the Silverado EV?
"They took the Avalanche and Caddilacified it" --- you need a Cadillac converter to do that.
I have a 2003 Honda Element 😊
The Pontiac solstice/ Saturn sky