8 Passengers Ruby Franke Sister Responded
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- 8 Passengers Ruby Franke Exposed By Sister in response video.
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Turning a blind eye to abuse is still considered abuse in and of itself. Dad doesn't deserve those children.
I completely agree.
I completely agree.
Agree!
You can hardly consider it just turning a blind eye. He was straight up there in videos where they talked about not having beds and bedrooms or withholding food. He himself is an abuser. He should not have those kid.
@@Undercaffinatedwhy's he not been arrested
They exploit their children for money. That in itself is disgusting. Kevin is in to it up to his neck. He knew exactly what was going on. Neither of those soulless monsters deserve to have their children back.
Maybe not, but Ruby is not getting out, so are the kids better off with their dad or not? Can he be rehabilitated?
@@ARolls-dd2zdno and no
@@ARolls-dd2zd I doubt it. For years he also went along with this bizarre parenting . If he’s that weak that he didn’t step up for his children, he should be a father. The amount of therapy needed for those children is heartbreaking.
@@ashleypg1708he's on record defending stuff like taking his child's bed for 7 months.
He's also on tape humiliating his son over a text message from a girl that the boy liked and plenty of other stuff.
The " funny" thing is that these idiots put these videos up themselves and they're now trying to spin a convenient fairytale... just a pitty that their own videos prove what they did and the AH father was clearly highly involved in everything.
Regardless of Kevin not having anything to do what what happened at the end, he was still apart of it way before that and was an enabler for Ruby’s poor parenting. He may not deserve jail time but he doesn’t deserve the kids either. He was so obsessed with his wife to the point he just allowed her to do these things.
Agreed. By the sounds of things I gather he was either submissive or just not a man who likes confrontations so usually bends to Ruby's rule. And even with that considering, I still agree he shouldn't have the kids coz if he's that awful with Ruby, god knows what it'd be like if he dated another awful woman
@@raptorprimal1077
Considering she's quite a control freak, it makes sense that she'd marry him if he let's her get away with it.
Any control is a win.
i agree completely
I'd sooner give the kids to the neighbor who called the cops.
He absolutely deserves jail.
Crazy how she had no words about the poor children that literally had to ESCAPE Jodi's house. But had a lot of words about how much she suffered herself after Ruby got arrested.
It makes me sick.
Yup 🙄 it's like she was more emotional for herself and her words being taken out of context than her family being held prisoners
She's already spoken about the children. What else is she supposed to say? The court has them all quiet for now. This is Ruby and Kevin's fault, not the siblings. Would you want to feel blame for anything YOUR siblings do?
I only commented on what I've seen here in this video. And all I've heard was "me me me".
I never said she is to blame for what happened. I don't know her or what she said in other videos or parts we haven't seen here.
@@kijani6882Bonnie explained at the start of her video that she can't talk about the kids, because of how justice works. If you only hear her talk about her position in all of the things that happened, it's because that's what the video was supposed to do. She was trying to explain her part of the story because people have been attacking her. So of course you hear "me, me, me", she was explaining herself, while not being able to speak about the children.
You still don’t have to make it all about how ruby’s actions affected her and how people perceive her.
I can understand the sister's position. My brother was a mental abuser of her children. However, he was good at twisting the law to his convenience, and he had a great paying where he can hire a powerful attorney. At the time, I was struggling financially and could not hire an attorney. I had to wait for my niece to report him for any action get done. So I understand the frustration.
They also exploit their own children. I have no sympathy for anyone who exploits their own children for money.
It's difficult. Sometimes it's better to do nothing in order to not being cut out off those children's life. Especially if one has no evidence, no money and no legal standing.
@@minka1781the court system is messed up
sick people hiding behind religion is all I can bloody say 😭
All roads seem to lead to the same place.
Same ,l really don't belive any of their perfect life and fake smiles ..makes me sick
I’m most confused that she leads with “we did not know” and then “we kept quiet for 3 years” I’m sorry, which tf is it??
She literally admits that she knows her sister does things that are so bad that they have to “keep quiet” and that combined with the clearly fake crying makes this very sketchy
She keeps contradicting herself. At first she says she’s shocked but then says she’s known for 3 years. Also she said that she didn’t know about what connections was doing but then said she’s kept quiet about it implying she did know.
The sisters blame Kevin Kevin blames ruby and jody. Jody blames the kids. These are all bunch of worthless people, and the kids need to go with people who will love them.
I have a personal experience finding out one of your family members is a monster. You really don’t know. Not because of lack of caring or love, you can just never know what’s going on behind closed doors.
Convincing loved ones is WAY easier than convincing a stranger or the “law”.
Ruby's door was wide open to the whole world to witness the abuse she inflicted on her children.
@@sonja.5035, people keep saying stuff like this, but here's the thing. The stuff people saw in their videos was not stuff that would get a parent arrested, or get someone's kids taken away. It's just not. It shows that Ruby and Kevin were sucky parents, sure. But that's not actually illegal up to a certain point.
At most, the videos would make people have suspicions (which they did) and would get the family investigated (which, again, they did).
I was an 8 passenger fan because I was a child. We couldn’t see how wrong it was. But as soon as we grow up we go “oh god that’s awful” and it’s hard.
I never watched any family channel, may I ask what the attraction was ?
@@bobbicatt I also watched 8 passengers and other family channels as a child. I would say for me the intrigue really was just seeing other kids living out fulfilling and interesting day-to-day lives. My home life was painfully mundane at that point and borderline abusive, so for me, it kind was an escape to see other people living happier lives. That's why the older I got, the less they appealed to me. Again, this of course was from the perspective on my child self who didn't have any understanding of the problems with family vlogging, nor did I have the emotional intelligence to identify when those kids were signalling they were uncomfortable in the videos.
Fortunately, I'm a bit older now and I absolutely can't stand family channels.
me and my little sister watched them too :(
@@bobbicattfor me, i liked family channels because i didn’t have a very good family at home.
it was nice to watch big “happy” families get along, go on trips together, play games together, and just overall live day to day life, etc. now that i look back it makes me so sad that i supported the channels i did, but as a child myself i just really liked watching other kids lives and their family dynamics. i was an introspective child, so observing and watching people was something i did all the time anyway. being able to watch random families on youtube interact with each other kinda just comforted me; even if it was 8 passengers. kinda harsh and i do regret it now, but little kid me didn’t rlly fathom that it was exploitation until long after i stopped watching them.
@@bobbicatt maybe it was because we always wanted to have a perfect family or it was so glamorised that they were perfect x
'It's the worst thing that's ever happened to us'
What about the kids?
No, she is not allowed to talk about the case not the kids.@@hannahbyas1488
@hannahbyas1488 not allowed to say 'we're worried and scared for the kdis'?
@@hannahbyas1488- So you believe a judge told them they couldn’t wish safety and healing to the kids. They couldn’t say our one and only concern is for the children and their well-being?
@@hannahbyas1488they can’t mention specifics about the kids but can always say things like our focus is on Ruby’s children. They can’t mention what is going on with the hearings, specifics about the case, custody issues surrounding the kids, hearings related, etc. She didn’t have to put out a video but just like the last video she knows she will get attacked if she just starts posting videos about her new house construction and whatever fancy thing they are putting in their home. Sure there is probably sponsored content as well. She is anxious to go back to her normal life and putting up her own content. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a video about her house construction next week. What she is really worried about is her own brand and content. What is sad is that although she blames Kevin and clearly doesn’t think he should get custody of the children she must also not be trying to get temporary custody of the children either because she would have been told that the children need to be in a home with no filming and where their location is being kept private. Doubt many of Ruby’s siblings will be willing to give up putting up content to actually prioritize Ruby’s children.
Nothing got done because the “friend of the family” had the power of the LDS Church supporting her. I have little doubt that it was only Ruby, Jodi & Kevin who silenced the sisters. They probably were told by their bishops or even by church lawyer that if they “slandered” Jodi or her practice they’d be sorry.
Imagine not being able to explain this to the world, how infuriating that would be. Very few people outside of Utah & Idaho even know what Mormonism is let alone understand their extremist beliefs about seggs, corn & being the master of your own domain.
Bingo !
From what we have learned so far, Jodi was very influential in the LDS Church with the Bishop actually referring Members to her for Counseling & actually paying for Jodi's Services via Church Coffers. This goes very deep. IMO
Also Utah is unfortunately a reactive state when it comes to child abuse, so there has to be a physical sign of abuse on the Child. I learned that as I have been learning the details on TikTok. The church does play a huge role as well.
Sure in this case, but this case isn't the only one in the country, and the majority of child abuse deaths and severe child abuse cases that had dozens of reports had nothing to do with religion at all. CPS is just fucked in this country, and the US is the only developed country that has fucked it up THIS badly. The statistics are really really gruesome. Remember the youtube mom that had simply had friends that worked in child services and got away with shit for a decade?
Children are second class here.
you can type sex and porn in youtube comments, it's okay.
@@ember9361 Creators can choose to block/make invisible comments with certain words on UA-cam. Since I’m not sure what the setting are for this channel I decided to go with other words.
"Mad at what has happened." Passive voice is always suspect. She can't bring herself to say that she is "mad at what my sister did."
"I this... I that... I'm..." Her sister is a typical narcissist. She talks only about HERSELF and not about the children. What a weird weird family...
The problem a lot of people have with the sister, Bonnie, is that she has long displayed extremely disturbing behavior with her own children and has been reported to CPS, for very concerning harsh punishment, injuries & neglect of her kids. As well as withholding food and locking kids in a room as punishment and much more….The other big problem people have with her is how she has been making a lot this about herself, her need to continue posting and continue the building of her new house.
Wow. Makes sense. Bonnie does seem to make everything about herself. I actually see a bit of Jodi in her.
Bonnie has always been weird and strict but I don’t think it was to the same extent and she has improved over recent years. I think it is rather telling that it is said this is how they were all raised so they don’t really know different. I’d like them to really confront their childhood and leave the church etc but I doing they’ll ever do that. The Mormon church has a huge hand in this and needs to be massively exposed.
Ruby and Bonnie’s mother was as neglectful & harsh than they ever were.
@@Lucaz99- Correct. It’s generational.
Generational, maybe. But there's no law that says you have to be an asshole just because your parents were assholes
yea i’m concerned about the kids ending up with anyone who knew what ruby was doing and turning a blind eye to the abuse (like the dad)
Everyone needs to understand this is very normal in many Mormon homes. My parents withheld food. Honor thy father and mother no matter what. I have so much trauma for my Mormon family.
i dont think anyone deserves to take the children who are apart of their family, not a single one of them, they shouldn’t be trusted, especially with their aunts fake tears lol, disturbing…
@@MsPiinkFllamingo i'm sorry to hear you've been through something like that, i hope you're healing and working through the trauma now that you're (hopefully?) able to distance yourself from the parents that failed you
So sorry to hear that.@@MsPiinkFllamingo
He didn't just turn a blind write. He was involved.
A family channel should be private, password protected and never monetized. That way they could share with their own family.
Absolutely. It’s child exploitation whether these family UA-camrs think so or not. I’ve heard people say that they gained their kids consent. Thats ridiculous. Even a 12 year old or 15 year old can’t fully grasp the full picture. In years to come, many of these kids who have been exploited are going to be filing lawsuits against their parents. What does UA-cam do? Absolutely nothing yet they take away others channels who are discussing important, real life stories. It’s so messed up.
If you want to be mad at anyone be mad at the police and child protective services. From what she's referencing, even though she isn't saying it directly, she contacted them, likely many times, as did others. They did absolutely nothing until that poor child ran to the neighbors with duct tape on his hands. Be mad at the authorities.
Those people just carry out the laws though. You should be mad at leadership that has allowed “religious freedom” to be used as a guise to abuse children. Want a better system, gotta elect better representatives. Enforcement agencies have as much power over the rules as the cashier at Target does over Targets policies.
Plus, legislatures don’t invest in these programs like they need to so they’re often understaffed by underpaid professionals doing their best with limited resources.
Our leaders are to blame, not our civil servants.
@fungi5350 see this is why I think religion should be banned if I were in charge I'd hire as many law enforcement and go arrest every religious people because there guilty in connection with each other
Utah is Mormon legislators, Mormon police, Mormon lawyers, Mormon cps. Follow the money.
Whatever was going on between Kevin and Ruby, Kevin should have stepped up as a father. Nobody would keep me from seeing my kids. He KNEW what she was like…the lawyer said they “had a difference of opinion” over parenting styles…he should’ve fought harder to see those children and protect them
Yeah that seemed code for “My wife is into abuse. I finally saw the light. My wife would not change so I walked away and left her to abuse the kids”. He needs his parental rights severed.
Except he was also desperately trying to reconcile with her. He had even kind of moved back in or been staying at the family home occasionally, so it seems he may have known the kids weren't there. He was there while they abused the kids before the separation so he's down with some level of abuse. He's fine with taking away their rooms and bed and withholding food and sending them to camps that will do the abuse for them.
Yup Kevin should have found the lawyer he's happy to be paying now a year ago to get his kids back rather than lawyering up as soon as Ruby was arrested. How long do you not have visual/physical contact with your children for to not realise they have been starved...too long, way too long!
Family channels are so terrible for these children. Putting kids in such a public way seems dangerous and embarrassing. It’s truly sad.
I soooooo agree with you - being exposed at a public level is NOT a choice a minor can make
This sister is also all about “ME.” She should be addressing concern for the kids, not how it affects HER. She’s as bad as her sister.
Can't expect anything but narcissism from family channels
She's a good sister and took Ruby's kids in for a while. Children are taught to keep secrets if not they are punished you get that from the 911 call RF was not giving much information to the neighbor. Imagine what would happen if these kids spoke to the family. So far Ruby's siblings disagreed with this therapist and there was nothing they could do. I've called CPS on my own siblings and nothing got done. So far police and CPS got called at least 15 times on Ruby and Kevin the children were not removed. So what were Bonnie and her other siblings supposed to do.
did u not watch her video the judge said shes not allowed to mention the kids
It's unrealistic to assume that everyone knew yet did nothing. We don't know the whole story it will soon come out. Julie said something interesting in her video about when she reconnected with Shari they both became aware of the lies and deception from Ruby and Jodi. So the children were lied to in order to keep them away from their aunt's and uncles.
No, they were not allowed to talk about the case; they could express their love and care all they wanted.@@hannahbyas1488
It’s all about you now isn’t it Bonnie? Not one word about the children you should have protected. Sounds like your trying to justify your own exploitation of your own family. Just saying.
can u hhear? did u not watch her video the judge said shes not allowed to mention the kids
No, she just can't talk about the case. She can talk about the kids, loving them, caring about them, stories about interacting with them.@@hannahbyas1488
@@hannahbyas1488- not allowed to discuss certain aspects pertaining to the case. Do you really think a judge ordered them not to say, our one and only concern is for the children and their well-being?
In family court, I think the judges prefer to give parents a chance to do better. Is it possible that Kevin could do better? Maybe. Children are forgiving. But I think he demonstrated that he was more interested in being a husband than a father, and therefore he should not be given custody.
Exactly. He was trying harder to reconcile with Ruby than ensure the wellness of his children. He may be obsessed with her. He doesn't deserve kids, he deserves charges.
They’re Mormon which means the man is the head of the household. If they’re so faithful that they need to punish their kids so harshly, there’s no way he’s not equally as responsible. He’s the one that gets to decide what passes and what doesn’t, even if the household is deemed his wife’s responsibility.
The sisters are just as bad as Ruby. Bonnie came out with this pathetic pity fest about how it’s impacting her..wow! She’s incensed that she can’t continue exploiting her own children for money…she needs to get back to it to pay for her mansion. The mansion that’s is being funded by using her own kids as cash cows. No reflection whatsoever about the impact exposing your young kids to the world could cause them in later years, despite seeing how messed up her sister’s children are. All the entire family care about is their social media platforms and how much money they can make. I feel so sorry for all the children of this horrible family!
Just as bad? Just as bad as duct tapes her children? Just as bad as starves her children?
Family vlogging is bad but it's nowhere near as bad as torturing your children
@@vainpiers This is a very common way to phrase things. Clearly not as bad as abusing them in such an extreme way although I watched them a long time ago when they were perhaps less censored and believe the indicated that they do believe and use corporal punishment in their home. Think punishing a child physically is pretty common in Mormon families and may be ok by church standards. The fact that this hasn’t been a big wake-up call for Bonnie about how harmful family vlogging is for children is the most shocking part. Ruby’s children would have been known for life for having an abusive mom with wild views even before Jodi. Can you imagine how much interest they will have about their life for the next 5-10 years and that this story will follow them for life. People will try to figure out where they go to university, if they get married, if they have children, where they work, etc. They will never be able to start a life where they are unknown and get to be known based on people getting to know them over time they will also be the 8 passengers child, the child that was abused, etc. Every employer and potential partner will likely google them before they even meet them in person. The siblings and their children are getting even more attention than they had before and they already had quite a lot of followers and fans. If they continue to post videos Bonnie’s children will experience even more scrutiny and a worldwide audience may take more interest in Bonnie’s family. If they keep on posting Bonnie’s family is likely going to be picked up by the worldwide media as being associated with Ruby’s case. Sure Bonnie’s children are already facing increased scrutiny in person in their city, at school, at church, etc. Would hope that Bonnie would want to take a break from posting and especially posting her children until things quiet down or even until Ruby is hopefully sentenced and hopefully goes to jail. Doubt that will happen. Also for all the accusations about Kevin and claims they are prioritizing Ruby’s children they don’t seem yo be focusing on trying to get temporary custody of Ruby’s children. They would not be able to post/film if Ruby’s children lived with them or give any clues as to where they are living. If she truly cared she wouldn’t have put out 2 videos where she spent a lot of the time complaining about this disrupting her own content plans and how Ruby would not stop her family’s content plans. If they kept off the internet they could be working to get qualified to take in the children for kinship care. Hopefully another sibling is working towards getting temporary custody of the children and doing whatever necessary to qualify to provide a safe home for the children. Believe Ruby’s children used to be quite close to their cousins on Ruby’s side of the family versus Kevin’s family so you would hope they would be placed with family they know already versus family they don’t know well.
The sisters haven't exactly covered themselves with glory.
This one always sounds like she only cares about how this has affected her own channel.
The other one isn't impressing anyone either.
It should be the end of family channels. They shouldn't exist.
They look like crocodile tears to me! How could she not have seen her sisters channel!? Absolutely complicit
her sister had quit her channel at the time she joined connexions
Did you not listen to the video? They knew stuff was bad and were doing everything they legally could to get the children. You have to remember that it’s EXTREMELY hard to get kids away from their biological parents (which is typically good because it keeps from unnecessarily destroying families) but it also means that it’s hard to infiltrate an abusive household and get the evidence you need.
The deflection is insane. They aren’t taking responsibility. What about before Jodi came into the picture…she was horrible BEFORE her ans abusing the kids before. These other sisters use the blanket method for parenting. I think Jodi us their scape goat.
i get the sister thinking there was nothing she could do because they're "not her kids" and it's "not her place" to parent them or correct her sisters parenting but also i feel like a little intervention wouldn't have gone amiss
In what way? Ruby cut off the family and child abduction is illegal.
Yeah agree.
@@vainpiers like letting the authorities know in some way or maybe even trying to get the youtube account terminated
I didn't trust the sisters until it became clear that Shari, the eldest, went to them for help and at this point Shari's opinion on people in this family is the only one I trust.
This sister is only worried about her family channel and the money. I don’t believe a word she says.
All these family channels need to stop. If Ruby was that abusive on camera , I can’t imagine what happened when the camera wasn’t on.
I have watched a few where they have teens and U can so tell they don't wanna be on camera
She is JUST trying to "save" her channel. This does not feel genuine at all. 🤷♀️
But you're not her so you don't know..
@@desertdaisymarie6951it’s very obvious, if she actually cared she would also stop exploiting her kids.
I'm one of six siblings I don't know anything that goes on privately within my family. If any of us wants to cut each other off what is one supposed to do. Ultimately, Kevin is responsible for his children. I can't grasp how he spent an entire year without having any contact with his children. I don't care what he says through his lawyer he should have insisted on seeing them. Now he is coming across as a simp. Claiming he was obeying the therapist and Ruby to try to save their marriage. He was at Jodi's and left. Trying to blame the entire family for ignoring the children is ridiculous. They were cut off from all contact.
The key here is Bonnie stating they’ve “been silent for three years.” But Kevin said this never happened while he was in the home. But he has only been out of the home 13 months.🤔
Thanks for ur hardwork on covering this alex, so much easier watching these lmao
Yes....Thank you so much Alex for the coverage of this wicked evil mom named Ruby
I think it’s incredibly brave and telling that Bonnie was willing to call out Kevin like this. I completely agree, he is the person who could have and should have done more. He shouldn’t have custody of the children.
The way all 4 sisters (Ruby, Ellie, Julie & Bonny) have family vlog channels and their parents have a vlog channel too is just a bit weird to me. Like they turned UA-cam into a family business where none of the kids have a say in whether or not they want to join. 🤔
I get more and more upset with this woman every video you post
I call BS on this woman.
Yep but she has a family blog channel and I bet you she's in the Mormon church as well
Her underlying message is all about her and how this negatively effects her and her channel.
They should look into her family too .
If, and truly if, which I doubt, the sisters did everything they could for the kids, what I have a problem with is that the sisters are releasing these videos is so they can go back to normal and keep filming ‘normal’ content. This is not out of caring about their nieces and nephews, it’s about protecting their BRAND.
They gotta keep bringing in the cash and it is totally disrupting the construction of their mansion.,
It’s so disgusting that they won’t even pause their channel for the benefit of their own children. The children will already be facing even more attention in their community because of Ruby so putting out videos will give them international attention and often negative attention. If they really wanted to focus on the children they would stay off the internet so they could be considered for kinship care. The courts will want to place the children with people who will keep them off the internet and keep their location private. By posting videos most of Ruby’s family will not qualify care for them so they aren’t actually primarily thinking of them. They are thinking about making money and they are mad at Ruby for affecting their Brand.
they had access to the videos though lol, excuses to me.🤨 I don’t understand how everyone else apparently noticed this abuse in the videos and their dad and aunt didnt?
Like why is she confused about people coming for her when she, or her own accord came online to talk about how she kept quiet about it?and the way she says the thing that makes her angry is that it makes her look bad 😭 like bro your nieces and nephews have been abused and you're mad that it's affected YOU?
They didn't agree with their parenting. 911/CPS was called to their house what- 19 times? I'm almost positive some of those calls were from Ruby's sisters, especially after they were able to reconnect with Shari.
It will be interesting to see what sparked them all. Got a feeling not many came from the family outside of the oldest child, but we will see.@@ashleypg1708
Kevin seems to be a push over, Ruby is the kind of person that would have searched for a partner she could control and manipulate. I believe him when he says he stayed away, because Ruby said so. And I believe that he believed this would make their marriage work again. That being said, he still participated in the videos that were problematic, to say the least, while he was still living with them. It is my opinion that Ruby forced that kind of parenting on him as well. But he is an adult, a grown man, a father, he has to be able to think for himself and should have taken his children out of this environment a long time ago. He didn't, he participated in the family vlogs and he probably will still follow whatever Ruby has to say from her jail cell regarding the children, therefore he shouldn't be allowed to have custody of them.
Thank you Alex for staying on this everyday it hasn't done unappreciated
The sisters are terrible too. They all have family vlog channels and exploit their kids by filming every move they make. They are all crazy and selfish. This sister seems to make everything about herself. That’s why she is upset - she is afraid that it’s going to affect her UA-cam income.
Totally agree. All those ER visit vlogs…. You’d think you’d at least give your child privacy when sick, hurt or receiving medical care. Total exploitation. It’s weird to me. She is worried about her bank acct.
I so agree with you 100%. Bonnie is afraid she will be loosing money from the people subscribed to her channel. She is always whining about something.
Something fake about her too...
I've heard Ruby's sister used blanket training on her kids too so..
“ I know my words will be used against me” what?!?!?
It's all about the money 💷 💰
“This is where my anger comes in: their actions have cast a negative light on ME! And it’s all about me!!! Because I’m a narcissist just like my sister!”
The thing that should make you the most angry is that the children were tortured and abused. Who cares about how it’s affected you? Boohoo!
U can tell she’s fake crying this is so wild😭 she was literally going instantly out of hysterical voice shaking, with the high pitch fake crying Karen in an interrogation room type crying
It's all crocodile tears, she exploits her kids too.
a famous edmund frank quote sums this up "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
was waiting for another 8 passengers video, thanks for keeping making these videos alex ❤
I agree with you on all of this! Ruby’s sisters are not her, they tried to help. The one thing I really hope is that if they decide to keep making content, they find a way to do it without having their children in their content anymore. If there’s anything they can all take from this, it’s that having their children on the internet IS harmful to them. Let them decide when they are adults if they want to have further internet presence.
As much as I really want to know what happened and is happening right now, I also want and prefer justice to happen the right way- no chance of a mistrial and all.
Saving their own selfish azzs..it's systematic..the family & extended is responsible for their own..
The dad is complicit in the abuse and it is insane to me that he is not facing charges.
Not wild at all calling out the dad. He knew how his wife was for over 18+ years. He's complicit - needs to see prison as well.
Kevin was fired from his teaching job this spring for abusing a student. Kevin is a willing participant.
Source? Interested
Bonnie was addicted to narcotics after her surgery and blogged it all high as a kite
Interesting that this woman is okay selling her own family on the internet all the time but didn't want to come out and say her sister had issues when the sister was peddling her crap to 2.5 million viewers. Also anyone who sells their kids on the internet is a bad parent. YOu can't live a normal family life when your whole existence is to get more "likes".
Alex, it turned out LDS has a whole department specifically designed for media relations which encourages and funds Mormon family channels, and that's why among all family channels, Mormon families are overrepresented. Please listen to Adam Paul Steer's story to hear how 8 Passengers is just a sand in a sea called the LDS and how it relates to Kevin (both a perpetrator but also possibly another victim, to an extent), and they have been only one play toy among hundreds of families for Jodi. Ruby is terrible, but also she's highly probably caught up in the insane web of Jodi who is just another level of pure evil one cannot even start to imagine.
It's like a perfect storm, eerily looking like on the path for a case similar to the Lori Vallow saga. My mind was blown away, and now I can see why this is very soon going to become not only a national but a vastly global story.
Don’t think the LDS funds the family channels but one of the things encouraged by the Mormon church is to advertise how great being a Mormon is and try to bring in new members. Mothers were especially encouraged to post things like blogs and then post about their lives on social media. Posting how great life is as Mormon mom is may attract other families to join the church. Mom’s are also supposed to remain at home with the children so posting online would be a way to earn an income online. The church is all about getting money so encouraging so many to become influencers means the church gets 10% of quite a lot of money.
Not sure how you are letting Bonnie off so easily. A large part of the video was feeling sorry for herself that she hasn’t been able to post her regular content and complaining that it would be unfair to not post videos about them building their large home. Bonnie’s first video also primarily focused on complaining how much this is affecting them posting their own videos. If they post videos they would not be able to take in Ruby’s children for kinship care. The judge will want to protect the location of the children so returning to posting and then stopping would be a huge red flag signalling the kids are living with them. The children are familiar with Ruby’s side of the family and believe she has 2-3 siblings and their families who live in Utah. Child services will prioritize keeping them in Utah and prioritize living with family they actually know already. All this talk about prioritizing Ruby’s children and blaming Kevin but if she is talking about posting and returning to posting she clearly isn’t fighting to get temporary custody of the children.
@@amyseaden9069 LDS support for Mormon family channels were exposed last week, it's not my opinion. Also I'm not letting off Bonnie at all, I left a very similar comment under her video a couple of days ago, making almost the same points as you did. I'm not letting anyone off at all, actually, but it is not a black and white story where one party is innocent and the other party is guilty; it is a spider web within a web within a web... Ruby is a cruel one, but Jodi is so skilled at being cruel that she ends up being absolutely diabolical, and uses people like Ruby as her puppets.
@@esindirik4447 were was it revealed that LDS church gives financial support to family vloggers?
@@amyseaden9069 it's not as simple as if the LDS church is literally giving the family vloggers cash; it is a multi-layered transactional relationship which financially benefits a lot of people/parties which contribute to family vlogging, which makes it a whole system harder to take down. the first day this story broke out I heard about Mormon family vlogger overrepresentation in a lot of case coverages, and looked it up myself, the official websites of the LDS church literally have segments/pop ups like "take a look at our suggested Mormon family channels!", already suggesting it was an investment for them, then I learned all about this transactional relationship in Jordan and McKay channel as well as in KUTV 2, and Mormon Stories Podcast also mentioned it if I'm not mistaken.
No! The fact is Ruby and Kevin were abusing their kids long before Judy came into the picture! Her sister is trying to blame Judy for everything when the fact is Ruby and Kevin are to blame because THEY were abusing the kids all along.
this is getting crazier every minute
Love you covering this as I am to lazy to keep up with it ❤
Yes, you don't know what goes on in a family, but the family could see the videos since 2015 just like the rest of us and what we saw was awful.
I love piling up Alex's videos and watching them all at once when I have to do my makeup or art courses etc it's a great update and background noise
UA-cam should not monetize those family channels and watch how fast those families stop ….
I wonder, if genders were flipped would people see the other parent as more of a victim?
Yes and no, in terms of being in a toxic abusive relationship he would be seen more of a victim if he was a woman. When it comes to the blame of not protecting the children though if he was the mother he would get way more criticism because people seem to have higher expectations out of the mother’s than they do father’s. Their both a POS though, imo.
Nope because neither are victims
Thank you for your take on this. Its astonishing how people think everyone just knew as if abusers arent experts at keeping the abuse secret and hidden. Or the religious and phychological abuse of silencing the victims. Its as if some people think Ruby was abusing her kids blatantly infront of her sisters. And thats just not how abusers do it. It was shocking even one lady interviewer actually blamed the eldest daughter Of Rubys of neglecting her siblings and not finding a way to feed them. I couldnt stop my father from abusing my siblings or my mom how in the world can someone blame one of the other children??? Its just shocking how little compassion and understanding of power dynamics in abusive families works etc. The threats if you question the authority, we really dont know how much worse it even was. More and more will come out. The worst parts that happen no one wants to relive or speak of...so thats always kept the most hidden.
I watched “Sins of Our Mother” last night on Netflix, honestly it’s scary how similar that case could be to this one, I’m just glad this didn’t turn into the same thing as that
People are putting a lot of weight on Kevin as if Rubys family isn’t coming out basically defending themselves for not doing anything while defending Ruby, too…
Something im noticing the most is that everyone is mad at Kevin for not stepping in but nobody is even thinking that maybe he was being abused too. If it was a father who was arrested and in Ruby's situation people would be talking about the fact that the partner was possibly being abused also. Im not saying this is true but everyone has been very harsh on him without knowing the whole story or his side 🤷♂️
They are exploiting their children too for videos. Also, the one sister uses blanket time which is an abusive practice.
What is blanket time?
@@ArtfullyMusingLauraput a baby on a blanket and hit it if it tries to crawl or roll off. Abusive nonsense from fundamentalist Christian cults.
What her family has gone through? How about Ruby’s kids?
She is in shock but yet she said she tried to get the kids help for years? Which one is it? These sisters are awful. Reminds me of Lori Vallow. No tears when Bonnie was crying.
Whoever has custody of those kids better get them in therapy NOW
She doesn't sound like she's feeling the way she described. It sounds like she's just saying words to say words. Wtf! is she talking about? It's unheard of, this kind of thing happens a lot. Where children are being abused by their legal guardian/guardians.
Wow. Alex you're approaching 400k subs here faster than I expected. Keep up the good work. ❤
Thanks for covering this❤
Please cover the Danny Masterson thing
Kevin always looked either intimidated or scared by Ruby. I would be too. The woman is a bully and malignant narcissist. She threw him out of the house and told him it's best if he didn't see his kids. And he listened.
Kevin has no leverage in that marriage.
He seems to be a victim of coercive control.. None of the commentators mention the possibility, OR mention the fact that he's been ordered by the court to not comment..
Sounds like Bonnie is clearing a guilty conscience.
Kevin was part of the abuse before the separation and after it seems like he was more obsessed with getting back with Ruby than making sure his kids were ok. He's an abuser. Charge Kevin Franke already!
Thank you for the video. You are asking the right questions.
A few of my thoughts:
• Jodi Hildebrandt had been getting most of her clients directly from referral from a Mormon bishop. And she was also getting paid by the Mormon church. Since Utah is a „Mormon state“, it seems likely that the ties to powerful players in the Mormon church have also kept her and her business partner Ruby shielded from prosecution.
• Ruby had at some point abandoned her „8 Passengers“ project - and she expressed sorrow over it. Let’s not forget she made millions from it! Could it be that she had been given a warning by someone, kind of like: „If you keep maintaining this level of public exposure - including outside of Utah - we will not be able to protect you for much longer.“?
thank you for making these videos. love your channel, your such a cool dude ❤
He's excellent 👍👌
The sister is also a family vlogger. And she sounds more upset about the effect on her uploads it seems. That whole extended family is sketchy AF.
"Send him to the camp" 🤣
Why would they speak at all??? Why put the trial in jeopardy?? Gosh we have such a narcissistic world!!! So gross
Theyre all trash. Claim they didnt know anything but we can all watch the public footage of what she was doing.
I grew up in an abusive home and it was extremely hard to get any help. I even called CPS myself. There isn’t much help for abused children in the U.S. and it wasn’t for a lack of good people surrounding me, my grandparents are the sweetest most loving people I’ve ever met, but my parents were so manipulative and abusive and secretive that they couldnt have known or done anything. I dont blame this sister at all and i hope the best for the family. The dad is absolutely to blame as well, just as bad as Ruby. She let that shit happen to his kids.
You have come across my feed since Ruby was arrested. I love your style of coverage. You are doing a great job. I’m going through some hard stuff and when the o my source of “entertainment” is you tube and drinking some coffee, it’s nice to have videos like yours. I feel like your point of view is that of a typical person, like me.
It does make me feel better when people that have made grilions of dollars are now in the slammer…
My only question is why didn't she do anything if she was concerned for the children. No.. the children went throgh worse. She's doing the same as the sister..me..me..me
That whole family are terrible
I think he knew what was happening. I also believe he had been separated from his family bc Jodi says he's a threat and was moved to a house w/ a list of things he needed to work on in himself in order to get back into a relationship with his kids and his wife. Also, present in Kevin's townhome was a minder provided by Jody Hildebrand so that she would know exactly what was going on. It seems she took every bit of privacy from all family members and used the secrets she learned in order to control the families. These included his non -existent addiction to p***. I think he knew it was happening but also feel he was being manipulated to feel he was horrible and a threat to both his wife and children. The MO displayed by Jody Hildebrand with respect to the Frankie family seems to be her go-to approach to break families apart so she can charge to fix them. I find all of this incredibly disgusting and was headed down the same road as the Lori Vallow case.
Everyone is hating on Kevin but nobody is considering that he was probably being abused and manipulated also. Until he has told his whole story nobody knows the true story, he may have been in on it and just as bad but i dunno ive met women like Ruby and the partner has always been treated just as badly as the kids :((
I grew up in the mormon (LDS) religion in another country and after serving a mission and baptizing people into this corporation... I eventually left but after I left I lived shortly in Utah... and I had never learned how the religion in that state controls everything and how powerful they are. There is literally no separation of church and satate in Utah. The church is everything. The church basically runs everything... PAY, PRAY & OBEY is the slogan. because after federal, state taxes the church demands 10%. this is info that most americans know, but for British or don't know. In mormon church to be "worthy" you have to give them 10% of your income.
Except - family UA-cam channels in Utah don’t have to pay tithes, and actually get paid BY THE CHURCH to give a positive representation on LDS on their channels. They are basically advertising the church subtly.
@@thedrunkenelf I'm ex Mormon but I'm learning things I didn't even think when I was a believer.
WAIT - so she’s only angry bc of the effect on her? I’m furious that Ruby’s kids have been abused!!!! And they’re not even my nieces and nephews!
Much love Alex 🫶🏻
Soaking up the info, thanks. :)
You said it. No more family channels!! Canceled.