I just bought 2 Mars Hydro TS1000s and I have a 4 by 4 tent on the way as well. My Poppy Seedlings love the light and its at the lowest setting, I have been keeping them in one of our south facing windows and when I change their containers direction so the plant doesn't get stuck growing one way it takes them about half of a day to fully bend towards the light. With the TS1000 I had it at the lowest setting and they bent fully towards the light in 2 hours, I thought that was kind of cool and impressive. I have never had anything like this or grew indoors before unless you count growing in windowsills as indoor growing(I guess by definition it would be indoor growing wouldn't it LOL) Anyways I am exited to see what these lights can really do with my plants . . . I might even have to try my hand at cannabis sometime because my dad is a cannabis enjoyer. Great review . . . This review was super duper in depth and very detailed. I learned allot from this video and I am glad I went with the 2 Mars Hydro TS1000s that I ended up deciding on. For a tent I will mount the driver outside the grow tent. The only thing I would change about the TS1000 would be the percentage knob on the dimmer like you said. alright . . . I gotta stop typing or Ill never shut up. LOL Thanks allot Gapeys Grub ! ! !
Thanks for the kind comment. I'm glad you found it useful. Mars Hydro was a good choice for the grow tent! Glad it's working well for you so far. I heard there's a new version out that has some improvements but not sure if the percentage knob was one of them or not.
@@gapey Yea, I hope it will work out for me in the grow tent. There will be some learning which is always fun. Again thanks for the testing and for the pin!
I have 6 mars hydro ts1000 lights. I get fantastic results every crop. I run a perpetual setup, always plants in veg, and always plants in flower. Love these lights
That's good to hear. They're both good lights but having a bit more power with the Mars is nice depending on how it's being used. I might start some stuff inside soon cuz I'm not having much luck trying to start it outside in this heat.
@gapey although veggies aren't what I use my lights for, I do get everything for my garden started usually late March or early April. I'm in west Virginia so it frosts up till late may most years. My tomatoes and cucumber plants went crazy this year. We have them coming out our ears it seems like.
this was the most thorough review I've seen on these, very nice job. Loved all the science that was going on with every number these lights could possibly put out...A+
Have not caught too many videos from you, but wanted to say that I really liked this one. Nice breakdown and stats on the lights, most everything a grower would need for setting up indoors. Nice job!
The connector on the Spider Farmer is just there to allow them to make one LED unit (which operates on 100-277Vac) with a short cable. The longer fly-lead is then attached by them to suit the requirements of its intended destination country. May be worth mentioning that the new SF1000 is only 100W compared to the TS1000 150W ---- two thirds of the cost to run.
Yeah I mentioned the wattage difference between the two lights when I did the watt readings at 11:28. That makes sense about the cable. Would be nice if they made it more easy to disconnect the cables like the Mars Hydro.
@gapey Cool. Sorry, I missed a bit of my comment off LOL It may be worth *ME* mentioning (to you) that the new SF1000 is only 100W compared to the TS1000 150W ---- two thirds of the cost to run. The newer model also gives out nearly half as much light as the old version. And yes, it is a pain with the cable! I had to unscrew the connector and unwire it to pass the cable behind my bench!
@@DigwellGreenfingers The SF1000 That's in this video is 100W. Did they have an older version that was 150W? It may be a little unfair comparing a 100W light to a 150W light but people do use them both for the same purposes. They both have dimmers so the 150W light could be dimmed down and would then use about as much power as the 100W light. The extra power does put out a lot more light and I do have to turn the power down more on it to get the same light output as the other one.
@@gapey No, the older SF1000 (yours) was 100W but it was less efficient then the new SF1000 with its EVO chips. I did find a lot more waste heat with the MarsHydro, which isn't always a bad thing as it can help to keep a cold greenhouse etc warm. I hope this chart works, it shows the three LED grow lights, least efficient to most efficient: umol/j LEDs HPS Eq LED MAKE TS1000 2.3 354 250W BridgeLux Old SF1000 2.7 218 250W Sam LM310B New SF1000 3.14 184 200W Sam. LM310H EVO
Do you mean the Spider Farmer is 2/3s the cost to run or the Mars Hydro is ? The Mars Hydro TS1000 has a bit more power so I think you are saying that the Spider Farmer is 2/3s the cost to run, is this right?
As always great detailed review Paula. Thanks for doing it! I am wanting to add some more better quality lights to my grow shelfs (currently using a hodge podge of T8s and so older model lights).
I still use a ton of T8s in my grow room. The LED panels require more space so only the tall stuff gets put under LED's. I'm going to post an update on the temp test hopefully next week as the temp readings in this video weren't accurate. They're both great lights and honestly, I'd just get whichever one is cheaper at the time you want to buy. I'd still go with mars hydro for a grow tent application though. For a shelf either one will work great.
just let you know im not 100% but im pretty sure the black twisted connection on the power wire is set up for having access to change power outlet for different countries rather than have to manufature indavidual light fixers with different connects
I'm growing orchids indoors and am now in the market for a 2nd light unit. My existing one is a Viparspectra XS 2000 (appears to now be discontinued). Am considering lights from Spider Farmer and Mars Hydro. The main selling point for me with the Mars Hydro is the hood, a feature that is harder to find that I expected. My plants are in my room and I found with the Viparspectra I had to tilt the unit slightly as otherwise the light was reflecting off a window into my eyes. Also, it seems to me that the hood would indeed direct more of the light downwards instead of outwards. But with that said, Spider Farmer has a bit better reputation for construction, LEDs, and efficiency. Any thoughts? I'm looking to cover a 2x4-ft or 3x5-ft space, no grow tent.
Excellent test and comparison. I see as you stated that you have an old ts 1000. The new ones have been improved. Mars should send you one of the new lights so you can review it and compare it to your old one. They send out lights to other you tubers whose reviews don't come close to the quality of yours. They send out lights, tents, fans, controllers and more. You should look into that.
I haven't heard of those LEDs. Looks like they are more pricey. They look similar to Mars' FC series and Spider Farmer's G/SE series which are really expensive.
I recently bought the upgraded version of the mars hydro R1000. I notice the spider farmer in the 1000 model doesn't have a dimmer. Vipar spectra has a 1000 series that is about 20$ cheaper than the mars hydro. Currently mars hydro r1000 is 70$ Viper is 50$ And spider farmer is 75$ Philozon (a copy cat of spider farmer) is only 40$
Nice comparison. I guess your version of the SF1000 is newer than mine. I bought mine late 2020 (for $152), and it has two switches. The one next to the daisy chain sockets just says on and off, and it is the actual on and off. The other one just says 1 and 0. Toggling that has the same effect as your switch. And I guess the par readings would be a bit different if done in a grow tent since more light would be reflected in general 🤔
Interesting. I know they do change a bit. Some of the older ones I've seen videos on had the dimmer in a strange place that was not easy to use. Would definitely get different readings in a grow tent, especially around. the edges.
Great video! From using them for a while, you feel either light has lost anything (in terms of LED burnout or degradation) over time? I have heard others recommend the SF1000 over the Mars Hydro based on it's Samsung LEDs being more reliable and consistent in quality than the no-name ones? Was leaning towards the SF1000 (would also be getting other bits from Spider Farmer) in a 2.6x2.6ft grow tent (80x80x200 cm) but now I'm debating if I would need that extra 50watts... Cheers!
I've been using the Mars Hydro for a couple seasons and only one with the Spider Farmer. Haven't had any issues with either. If you are going to use it in a grow tent application I would go with the Mars. I think you will find that you'll need the extra power.
I wouldn't call Bridgelux a no-name LED. They've been around for quite awhile. The main difference between Bridgelux and the Samsung 301 series is that the Samsung diode can be run at a higher wattage. If you have a board with more lower wattage diodes your not really losing anything and perhaps gaining something. With more diodes spaced over the same area you should get a more consistent coverage pattern.
@@RichTeaChannel one thing that I forgot to mention is that the Samsung 301 diode is a little bit more efficient. I'm not sure how much that would actually save you on electricity consumption but if that is important to you then look at a light that uses the Samsung diodes. The 301evo diode is the latest and greatest. You pay for that though. 301h diodes were the best last year and 301b were the ones the year before. As far as an 80cm tent, I'm in the U.S. you know that's inches. We have to be different, but I think that's about 30 inches. It really depends on what you intend to grow. If you are growing house plants or maybe starting garden plants indoors it really doesn't matter. Any good named light 100 to 150 watts would be good. If you are growing plants with a high light demand You need more watts. In that instance I would look for a bar style light whose dimensions are as close to your 80cm tent that you can find. Minimum 200 watts. I would even go as high as 400-500 watts . You can always run it at less than 100%. The lower wattage you run it the more efficient it will run and the longer the diodes will last. But the most important thing to remember is that this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
Unfortunately I don't have the new model to try out but from the looks of it they may be using a new, more efficient LED. It looks like they've also made some improvements to the control box. I think it looks better and it appears the EXT/DIM has changed from a switch to a button and it looks like it has a power symbol on it so hopefully that button will also turn the light off and on. The EXT/DIM switch that was on the older model could not turn off/on the light like the Mars Hydro switch could so I think that is a good improvement. The only way to turn the older model off/on is by turning the dimmer knob or by unplugging it. Other than those I am not seeing any other changes. I think 87.99 is a pretty good price too.
next model up would be their 300W. They have a TSL2 000 that is more wide, and the TSW 2000 that is less wide. Both of those are close to same price. Depends what kind of coverage area you are looking for to determine which would be better.
Picked up the SF1000 - LM301H EVO for $130 Canadian on March 1 2024 with the 8%off -discount . I was looking to buy 6 of them in total. I just wanted to check out One to see if if I liked it. I was satisfied !! I was going to pick up Five more today March 16. To my surprise The price went up !!! $ 189 minus the 8%off -discount . For a grand total of $173.88 . Almost $ 45 bucks more in 15 days !!! 45 X 5 $ 225 bucks more. Come On. Is the price going to come back to earth In the next month or what ?? Thanks ! Love your videos. Keep up the good work !!
Oh wow that's a big price jump. I would definitely wait it out a bit. I've seen the prices go up and down quite a it on both Mars site and Amazon. Sometimes one is higher than the other so check both places and if it's high both places and you can wait. They might just raise the prices at this time of year since this is when more people are probably buying them.
Your review is damn good. Did you do the 3x3ft review at 12inches high? Also, what Samsung LED model is the SF1000 using? The newest model uses LM301H Evo. Maybe yours is LM301B.
Hi !! Can one tell to me whhat means " four by four squares ->-> which seems to be 16 squares " ... you dont have to think i was ?? ... i am just european -> so my laguage is IN-sufficcient -> " my " metrics is called " metrisch " / what means :: I all think in cm / cm 2 / cm3 regards to you
@@gapey OH: OK, i was asking myself if it was 4 feet by 4 feet // because often the ppfd of light is given for an area ( 2 ft by 2 ft ... and so on ) thanks
Sorry, that would be a much longer video! 😀I grew fig cuttings under both lights and they both did equally as well. So there wasn't much to compare since they looked the same.
Yep, I was surprised how much difference 50W makes. The Samsung diodes I've heard are more energy efficient so was wondering if they might produce more power with less Watts compared to the Mars but it didn't seem to. I am curious how they would compare if Mars didn't have that hood on it. I have a feeling that hood makes a big difference.
@@af5070Yeah well I will say this much the number's she got on her par meter DONT LIE! However, I know for a fact that spider farmer along with other several grow light manufactures inflate numbers and LIE about the Efficiency/Efficacy ratings 🤷. And that has been PROVEN by several diff content creators, so yea. Spider farmer says the SF-1000 has a Efficacy rating of 2.7 umols/j yet Shane from Migro found the light to have a TRUE Efficacy rating of 1.9 umols/j Wich doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, is a HUGE difference. Sooooo, not so sure your statement is as true and as accurate as you would like to believe there friend........🤷
I have more ideas about the cable but my english i think is not realy good enough to translate perfectly to understanding me, in germany we have sometimes a left-right-(thread) google say thread, in germany we say (gewinde)=sometimes with both screwing left-screwing and right-screwing = like a shugar-sweet in germany we say bonbon ( werther's original= its a caramell shugar-bonbon..... thread like: you pull the golden paper of these bonbon left and right and the shugarbonbon can open. So what i mean: perhaps you can pull the small thin skinny middle screw to cet the cable seperatly in two!? Sorry for my broken english, wish i can live in usa/canada to learning better speaking🤷!!!
I make my words so complicated😵🤦🤣!!! Sorry, what i mean, its marketing, 1 brand in china build the led- light without plug, 2. brand build the plug with cable, and 3=spider farmer was fix it both for us or eu!!!
When you used a temp gun on bare meatal items you will NOT get a ACCURATE reading! Wich is exactly why your readings were prolly all over the place. However, if there is a sticker on the metal use that as a place to take your reading from and you will get a much more accurate reading. Jus advice for future reference..........
Interesting, had no idea. Spider Farmer doesn't really have any stickers on it. Not sure if putting one on it would be bad or not since it does seem to get much hotter. I didn't see much variation in temp on it across the whole panel. It was the Mars that was showing a lot of difference. It is noticeably cooler to the touch than the Spider Farmer though.
@@gapey 'High Pressure Sodium' it's the most common lighting for commercial growers in the world and has been for 50 or so years.. Yet you have never heard of it?? It get double the yield that LED gets and them some. You don't sound like you have enough knowledge to be advising others how to grow indoors to be honest. I have around 3 decades experience myself but I don't consider myself a true expert.. I know what I'm doing though & that's why I know LED's can't compete with HPS. If LED and organic growing was good for large yields than all commercial food producers would be using them.. They only use LED and CFL for Rooting Clones though, Everything else is HPS. Link here > ua-cam.com/video/XOLd44PO_aU/v-deo.html
Hps, compared to led is not very efficient, generates a lot of heat and the bulbs need replaced quite often. They do produce a nice spectrum though especially for fruiting/flowering plants.
@@Just___me_ I still use fluorescent T8s in the spring for a lot of seedlings. They produce some heat and is one of the reasons I like using them because my grow room is pretty chilling in spring when I start my peppers and they like heat so I use heat mats and T8 fluorescents for them. Not sure HPS is any more efficient than fluorescent though.
It's all fine and dandy but mars hydro surely don't communicate on their inflated PPFD numbers that don't match in reality (in a professional integrating sphere, and by the way who places his led light at 8" of the apex of plants, maybe strawberry hobby growers but not professional growers^^), their bogus yielding g/watt (of what ? bananas ? Tomatoes ? They know they can't provide a theoric number on that, that's really a goofy move on their part, but hey it works on the sheep mass who doesn't know about leds right ? ), nor the case occured in less than 2 years ago of product safety report in uk and europe about clients receiving electric shocks while connecting the FC-E 3000 led panel to the electric plug and manipulating the panel (great chinese manufacturing standard to be proud of, and i'm sure good working conditions for the sl*ve workers there). , but it's nothing compared to the flat out lies about PPFD and efficiency of their older models, when a PPFD map was available, no complete info on the led chips used, and some miraculous modifications of efficiency numbers on the same version of a led panel model quickly after another brand commercialized a same effective or better led panel. I'm not even gonna talk about their copycat strategies, this brand should be renamed "lazy-copycat-opportunistic liars". If you want the truth, just type "Spider Farmer, Maxsisun, Mars Hydro - Entry Level LED Grow Light Comparisons, Test Reports & Reviews" and look at this interesting video from AlboPepper, it exposes shady tactics and lies from these brands. Shout out to Gapeys Grub though !
I just bought 2 Mars Hydro TS1000s and I have a 4 by 4 tent on the way as well.
My Poppy Seedlings love the light and its at the lowest setting, I have been keeping them in one of our south facing windows and when I change their containers direction so the plant doesn't get stuck growing one way it takes them about half of a day to fully bend towards the light.
With the TS1000 I had it at the lowest setting and they bent fully towards the light in 2 hours, I thought that was kind of cool and impressive.
I have never had anything like this or grew indoors before unless you count growing in windowsills as indoor growing(I guess by definition it would be indoor growing wouldn't it LOL)
Anyways I am exited to see what these lights can really do with my plants . . . I might even have to try my hand at cannabis sometime because my dad is a cannabis enjoyer.
Great review . . . This review was super duper in depth and very detailed. I learned allot from this video and I am glad I went with the 2 Mars Hydro TS1000s that I ended up deciding on. For a tent I will mount the driver outside the grow tent. The only thing I would change about the TS1000 would be the percentage knob on the dimmer like you said. alright . . . I gotta stop typing or Ill never shut up. LOL
Thanks allot Gapeys Grub ! ! !
Thanks for the kind comment. I'm glad you found it useful. Mars Hydro was a good choice for the grow tent! Glad it's working well for you so far. I heard there's a new version out that has some improvements but not sure if the percentage knob was one of them or not.
@@gapey Yea, I hope it will work out for me in the grow tent. There will be some learning which is always fun.
Again thanks for the testing and for the pin!
I have 6 mars hydro ts1000 lights. I get fantastic results every crop. I run a perpetual setup, always plants in veg, and always plants in flower. Love these lights
That's good to hear. They're both good lights but having a bit more power with the Mars is nice depending on how it's being used. I might start some stuff inside soon cuz I'm not having much luck trying to start it outside in this heat.
@gapey although veggies aren't what I use my lights for, I do get everything for my garden started usually late March or early April. I'm in west Virginia so it frosts up till late may most years.
My tomatoes and cucumber plants went crazy this year. We have them coming out our ears it seems like.
@@PoppaLongroach"Tomatoes "😉
this was the most thorough review I've seen on these, very nice job. Loved all the science that was going on with every number these lights could possibly put out...A+
Thanks. I tried to cover as much info as possible. :)
Have not caught too many videos from you, but wanted to say that I really liked this one. Nice breakdown and stats on the lights, most everything a grower would need for setting up indoors. Nice job!
Thanks Matt, appreciate it. :)
The connector on the Spider Farmer is just there to allow them to make one LED unit (which operates on 100-277Vac) with a short cable. The longer fly-lead is then attached by them to suit the requirements of its intended destination country.
May be worth mentioning that the new SF1000 is only 100W compared to the TS1000 150W ---- two thirds of the cost to run.
Yeah I mentioned the wattage difference between the two lights when I did the watt readings at 11:28. That makes sense about the cable. Would be nice if they made it more easy to disconnect the cables like the Mars Hydro.
@gapey Cool. Sorry, I missed a bit of my comment off LOL It may be worth *ME* mentioning (to you) that the new SF1000 is only 100W compared to the TS1000 150W ---- two thirds of the cost to run. The newer model also gives out nearly half as much light as the old version.
And yes, it is a pain with the cable! I had to unscrew the connector and unwire it to pass the cable behind my bench!
@@DigwellGreenfingers The SF1000 That's in this video is 100W. Did they have an older version that was 150W? It may be a little unfair comparing a 100W light to a 150W light but people do use them both for the same purposes. They both have dimmers so the 150W light could be dimmed down and would then use about as much power as the 100W light. The extra power does put out a lot more light and I do have to turn the power down more on it to get the same light output as the other one.
@@gapey No, the older SF1000 (yours) was 100W but it was less efficient then the new SF1000 with its EVO chips. I did find a lot more waste heat with the MarsHydro, which isn't always a bad thing as it can help to keep a cold greenhouse etc warm. I hope this chart works, it shows the three LED grow lights, least efficient to most efficient:
umol/j LEDs HPS Eq LED MAKE
TS1000 2.3 354 250W BridgeLux
Old SF1000 2.7 218 250W Sam LM310B
New SF1000 3.14 184 200W Sam. LM310H EVO
Do you mean the Spider Farmer is 2/3s the cost to run or the Mars Hydro is ?
The Mars Hydro TS1000 has a bit more power so I think you are saying that the Spider Farmer is 2/3s the cost to run, is this right?
Insightful test of fixtures by a woman in man's word of growing lights
Thank you & please continue to grace us with presentations
Thank you so much. :)
Love the video just ordered ts1000 Mars I have hlg lights hope it compares
Great comprehensive test, thank you.
You're welcome! :)
As always great detailed review Paula. Thanks for doing it! I am wanting to add some more better quality lights to my grow shelfs (currently using a hodge podge of T8s and so older model lights).
I still use a ton of T8s in my grow room. The LED panels require more space so only the tall stuff gets put under LED's. I'm going to post an update on the temp test hopefully next week as the temp readings in this video weren't accurate. They're both great lights and honestly, I'd just get whichever one is cheaper at the time you want to buy. I'd still go with mars hydro for a grow tent application though. For a shelf either one will work great.
Now it`s clear witch one I`m getting 😌 Thank You for this review 🙏👍
Which one did you decide on? I think they're both great but one might work better for certain applications than the other.
I got the Mars after your review, thx! @@gapey
@@DfZeroG Great! I hope it works well for you.
I ve a TS 1000 and TS 3000 white model they re cool and have great flower
Stay safe peace
just let you know im not 100% but im pretty sure the black twisted connection on the power wire is set up for having access to change power outlet for different countries rather than have to manufature indavidual light fixers with different connects
That's a good possibility.
I'm growing orchids indoors and am now in the market for a 2nd light unit. My existing one is a Viparspectra XS 2000 (appears to now be discontinued). Am considering lights from Spider Farmer and Mars Hydro. The main selling point for me with the Mars Hydro is the hood, a feature that is harder to find that I expected. My plants are in my room and I found with the Viparspectra I had to tilt the unit slightly as otherwise the light was reflecting off a window into my eyes. Also, it seems to me that the hood would indeed direct more of the light downwards instead of outwards. But with that said, Spider Farmer has a bit better reputation for construction, LEDs, and efficiency. Any thoughts? I'm looking to cover a 2x4-ft or 3x5-ft space, no grow tent.
The hood on the Mars Hydro definitely helps reduce light spread so that might be the better option in how you plan to use it.
Excellent test and comparison. I see as you stated that you have an old ts 1000. The new ones have been improved. Mars should send you one of the new lights so you can review it and compare it to your old one. They send out lights to other you tubers whose reviews don't come close to the quality of yours. They send out lights, tents, fans, controllers and more. You should look into that.
Yeah they have sent me a few lights to review. I probably have enough lights at the moment. lol
@@gapey I should have realized that when you mentioned the discounts.lol.
Chilled Growcraft are the only leds I use now started out with Mars
I haven't heard of those LEDs. Looks like they are more pricey. They look similar to Mars' FC series and Spider Farmer's G/SE series which are really expensive.
I recently bought the upgraded version of the mars hydro R1000. I notice the spider farmer in the 1000 model doesn't have a dimmer. Vipar spectra has a 1000 series that is about 20$ cheaper than the mars hydro.
Currently mars hydro r1000 is 70$
Viper is 50$
And spider farmer is 75$
Philozon (a copy cat of spider farmer) is only 40$
Thanks for the review
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
Can u run on the 240 power cord..do rhese come with the 240 or the 120
I’m in the US so pretty much everything is only 110. Not sure if they offer 240 when shipping to other countries.
Nice comparison. I guess your version of the SF1000 is newer than mine. I bought mine late 2020 (for $152), and it has two switches. The one next to the daisy chain sockets just says on and off, and it is the actual on and off. The other one just says 1 and 0. Toggling that has the same effect as your switch. And I guess the par readings would be a bit different if done in a grow tent since more light would be reflected in general 🤔
Interesting. I know they do change a bit. Some of the older ones I've seen videos on had the dimmer in a strange place that was not easy to use. Would definitely get different readings in a grow tent, especially around. the edges.
Ahora deseamos ver el seguimiento y la evolución 😉
Great video! From using them for a while, you feel either light has lost anything (in terms of LED burnout or degradation) over time? I have heard others recommend the SF1000 over the Mars Hydro based on it's Samsung LEDs being more reliable and consistent in quality than the no-name ones? Was leaning towards the SF1000 (would also be getting other bits from Spider Farmer) in a 2.6x2.6ft grow tent (80x80x200 cm) but now I'm debating if I would need that extra 50watts... Cheers!
I've been using the Mars Hydro for a couple seasons and only one with the Spider Farmer. Haven't had any issues with either. If you are going to use it in a grow tent application I would go with the Mars. I think you will find that you'll need the extra power.
@@gapey Thanks!
I wouldn't call Bridgelux a no-name LED. They've been around for quite awhile. The main difference between Bridgelux and the Samsung 301 series is that the Samsung diode can be run at a higher wattage. If you have a board with more lower wattage diodes your not really losing anything and perhaps gaining something.
With more diodes spaced over the same area you should get a more consistent coverage pattern.
@@Just___me_ Thanks for the info. What option would you recommend to make the most of the 80cm x 80cm tent? The Mars, or a brand not yet mentioned?
@@RichTeaChannel one thing that I forgot to mention is that the Samsung 301 diode is a little bit more efficient. I'm not sure how much that would actually save you on electricity consumption but if that is important to you then look at a light that uses the Samsung diodes. The 301evo diode is the latest and greatest. You pay for that though. 301h diodes were the best last year and 301b were the ones the year before. As far as an 80cm tent, I'm in the U.S. you know that's inches. We have to be different, but I think that's about 30 inches. It really depends on what you intend to grow. If you are growing house plants or maybe starting garden plants indoors it really doesn't matter. Any good named light 100 to 150 watts would be good. If you are growing plants with a high light demand You need more watts. In that instance I would look for a bar style light whose dimensions are as close to your 80cm tent that you can find. Minimum 200 watts. I would even go as high as 400-500 watts
. You can always run it at less than 100%. The lower wattage you run it the more efficient it will run and the longer the diodes will last. But the most important thing to remember is that this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
just got the Spider Farmer SF1000EVO for £87.99 what are ur thoughts on the evo design?
Unfortunately I don't have the new model to try out but from the looks of it they may be using a new, more efficient LED. It looks like they've also made some improvements to the control box. I think it looks better and it appears the EXT/DIM has changed from a switch to a button and it looks like it has a power symbol on it so hopefully that button will also turn the light off and on. The EXT/DIM switch that was on the older model could not turn off/on the light like the Mars Hydro switch could so I think that is a good improvement. The only way to turn the older model off/on is by turning the dimmer knob or by unplugging it. Other than those I am not seeing any other changes. I think 87.99 is a pretty good price too.
What would be the next mosel up from ts1000
next model up would be their 300W. They have a TSL2 000 that is more wide, and the TSW 2000 that is less wide. Both of those are close to same price. Depends what kind of coverage area you are looking for to determine which would be better.
can you go over hydra 1000 also Please?
THank you
Plug in the light to your power meter and turn it down till you get to 100W
Yeah that's a good idea.
Please repeat this test with the FLUXshield 300 110W
Picked up the SF1000 - LM301H EVO for $130 Canadian on March 1 2024 with the 8%off -discount . I was looking to buy 6 of them in total. I just wanted to check out One to see if if I liked it. I was satisfied !! I was going to pick up Five more today March 16. To my surprise The price went up !!! $ 189 minus the 8%off -discount . For a grand total of $173.88 . Almost $ 45 bucks more in 15 days !!! 45 X 5 $ 225 bucks more. Come On. Is the price going to come back to earth In the next month or what ?? Thanks ! Love your videos. Keep up the good work !!
Oh wow that's a big price jump. I would definitely wait it out a bit. I've seen the prices go up and down quite a it on both Mars site and Amazon. Sometimes one is higher than the other so check both places and if it's high both places and you can wait. They might just raise the prices at this time of year since this is when more people are probably buying them.
Your review is damn good. Did you do the 3x3ft review at 12inches high? Also, what Samsung LED model is the SF1000 using? The newest model uses LM301H Evo. Maybe yours is LM301B.
I had the lights at 24 inches high. I'm not really sure what model LEDs it uses. Not sure there's a way to tell by looking at it?
@@gapey My new SF1000 Has the 301 Evo written Large over the board, yours is the version with the LM301B diodes.
En base a esta información opté por comprar la Mars Hydro, aunque fue el modelo ST600 :v
excelente video
Thank you :)
incredible video, wow
Hi !! Can one tell to me whhat means " four by four squares ->-> which seems to be 16 squares " ...
you dont have to think i was ?? ... i am just european -> so my laguage is IN-sufficcient -> " my " metrics is called " metrisch " / what means :: I all think in cm / cm 2 / cm3
regards to you
yes when I said 4 by 4 I was talking about 16 squares. The size of each square was 6"x6" which is the equivalent of 15.24 cm.
@@gapey OH: OK, i was asking myself if it was 4 feet by 4 feet // because often the ppfd of light is given for an area ( 2 ft by 2 ft ... and so on )
thanks
Thanks for taking the time. As an aside have you grown Brad Gates Streak Lightning? Cheers.
I've grown quite a few of Brad's tomato varieties but haven't even heard of that one. Have you grown it?
@@gapey no (paste) received it as a free from my seed order.. Scabitha also along with Gail ,& a Belgian variety that should do ok over here (UK)
Wich is better ?
Not sure one is any better than the other. they both have some things I like and don't like about them that I go over in the video.
Man I thought she was actually going to grow and compare bummer 😢😂🎉
Sorry, that would be a much longer video! 😀I grew fig cuttings under both lights and they both did equally as well. So there wasn't much to compare since they looked the same.
Well not really a fair challenge when the TS-1000 is a 150 watt light and the SF-1000 is a 100watt light. And that's 50 watts makes a difference
Yep, I was surprised how much difference 50W makes. The Samsung diodes I've heard are more energy efficient so was wondering if they might produce more power with less Watts compared to the Mars but it didn't seem to. I am curious how they would compare if Mars didn't have that hood on it. I have a feeling that hood makes a big difference.
@@af5070Yeah well I will say this much the number's she got on her par meter DONT LIE! However, I know for a fact that spider farmer along with other several grow light manufactures inflate numbers and LIE about the Efficiency/Efficacy ratings 🤷. And that has been PROVEN by several diff content creators, so yea. Spider farmer says the SF-1000 has a Efficacy rating of 2.7 umols/j yet Shane from Migro found the light to have a TRUE Efficacy rating of 1.9 umols/j Wich doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, is a HUGE difference. Sooooo, not so sure your statement is as true and as accurate as you would like to believe there friend........🤷
I think, spider farmer make this light without plug, thats the whaterproof box when you need a ( eu- ) or other -plug, sunny greetings from germany
ah that's interesting. still weird that you can't separate the plug even though it looks like you should be able to.
I have more ideas about the cable but my english i think is not realy good enough to translate perfectly to understanding me, in germany we have sometimes a left-right-(thread) google say thread, in germany we say (gewinde)=sometimes with both screwing left-screwing and right-screwing = like a shugar-sweet in germany we say bonbon ( werther's original= its a caramell shugar-bonbon..... thread like: you pull the golden paper of these bonbon left and right and the shugarbonbon can open. So what i mean: perhaps you can pull the small thin skinny middle screw to cet the cable seperatly in two!? Sorry for my broken english, wish i can live in usa/canada to learning better speaking🤷!!!
I make my words so complicated😵🤦🤣!!! Sorry, what i mean, its marketing, 1 brand in china build the led- light without plug, 2. brand build the plug with cable, and 3=spider farmer was fix it both for us or eu!!!
@@wow-dg2xt ah yeah that's very likely.
I'd have to focus in understanding grow lights I just use shop lignts
Nothing wrong with that at all. I got 3 shelves of shop lights in my grow room too. 😊
When you used a temp gun on bare meatal items you will NOT get a ACCURATE reading! Wich is exactly why your readings were prolly all over the place. However, if there is a sticker on the metal use that as a place to take your reading from and you will get a much more accurate reading. Jus advice for future reference..........
This guy is exactly rite !
Interesting, had no idea. Spider Farmer doesn't really have any stickers on it. Not sure if putting one on it would be bad or not since it does seem to get much hotter. I didn't see much variation in temp on it across the whole panel. It was the Mars that was showing a lot of difference. It is noticeably cooler to the touch than the Spider Farmer though.
I'm in the process of getting a proper tool for taking the temp of metallic surfaces and will post an update soon!
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Hello ;D
I recommend HPS Lighting.
I don't think I've heard of them.
@@gapey 'High Pressure Sodium' it's the most common lighting for commercial growers in the world and has been for 50 or so years.. Yet you have never heard of it??
It get double the yield that LED gets and them some.
You don't sound like you have enough knowledge to be advising others how to grow indoors to be honest. I have around 3 decades experience myself but I don't consider myself a true expert.. I know what I'm doing though & that's why I know LED's can't compete with HPS. If LED and organic growing was good for large yields than all commercial food producers would be using them.. They only use LED and CFL for Rooting Clones though, Everything else is HPS. Link here > ua-cam.com/video/XOLd44PO_aU/v-deo.html
Hps, compared to led is not very efficient, generates a lot of heat and the bulbs need replaced quite often. They do produce a nice spectrum though especially for fruiting/flowering plants.
@@Just___me_ I still use fluorescent T8s in the spring for a lot of seedlings. They produce some heat and is one of the reasons I like using them because my grow room is pretty chilling in spring when I start my peppers and they like heat so I use heat mats and T8 fluorescents for them. Not sure HPS is any more efficient than fluorescent though.
wow
Here's the thing you said one is already 2 years old . Rather see two separate both new
Seems very biased.
Not biased at all. The companies both sent me these to try and there's thinks I like and don't like about both.
It's all fine and dandy but mars hydro surely don't communicate on their inflated PPFD numbers that don't match in reality (in a professional integrating sphere, and by the way who places his led light at 8" of the apex of plants, maybe strawberry hobby growers but not professional growers^^), their bogus yielding g/watt (of what ? bananas ? Tomatoes ? They know they can't provide a theoric number on that, that's really a goofy move on their part, but hey it works on the sheep mass who doesn't know about leds right ? ), nor the case occured in less than 2 years ago of product safety report in uk and europe about clients receiving electric shocks while connecting the FC-E 3000 led panel to the electric plug and manipulating the panel (great chinese manufacturing standard to be proud of, and i'm sure good working conditions for the sl*ve workers there). , but it's nothing compared to the flat out lies about PPFD and efficiency of their older models, when a PPFD map was available, no complete info on the led chips used, and some miraculous modifications of efficiency numbers on the same version of a led panel model quickly after another brand commercialized a same effective or better led panel. I'm not even gonna talk about their copycat strategies, this brand should be renamed "lazy-copycat-opportunistic liars". If you want the truth, just type "Spider Farmer, Maxsisun, Mars Hydro - Entry Level LED Grow Light Comparisons, Test Reports & Reviews" and look at this interesting video from AlboPepper, it exposes shady tactics and lies from these brands. Shout out to Gapeys Grub though !
By the objective and logical review I can tell your a MAGA supporter, very good.
I like you vid good stuff if only ppl understood more about ppfd and par good stuff
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
those are just strain reliefs those are not removeable