2018 Mustang GT - Why I Got The 6-Speed Manual
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2018
- I give quick impressions of the new manual so far, and explain why I didn’t really care for the 10-speed automatic.
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Good observations on the 10 Spd Auto. vs. the 6 Spd. Manual. Thanks. I am looking at the 2018 Mustang and have driven both the Auto & 6 Spd. I own a 2013 V6 with the 6 spd. and a bunch of owner-installed upgrades. Historically I am a manual trans guy. So a few comments.1. Typically 8 or 10 spd. auto. transmissions fit well with small displacement high performance engines due to the need to keep these engines running tight within their generally narrow power band. A good example is the new Alfa Giulia with a 2.0 L turbo-charged engine. The Alfa's ZF 8 spd. works great with this little engine such that even with that small bore powerplant, the Alfa is a flyer. The new 5.0 L V8 in the 2018 Mustang is not a narrow power band engine. This engine is uber-torquey and pulls well from about 2000 RPM right up to the redline. Woo Hoo! For this reason, many gears are really not required to get solid performance out of it. You will say, yes, but the 10 spd. beats the 6 spd. on the drag strip. True. But that's because the 10 spd. shifts more quickly than most of us can shift a 6 spd. And, let's face it, the drag strip is simply not where most of us drive our cars.2. The 10 spd. can be slightly more fuel friendly than the 6 spd. because in routine driving it gets you into the 9th or 10th gear really quickly. Probably far more quickly that you or I would get a 6 spd. into 6th gear. To be honest, this is annoying to me. I am driving a performance car. I don't want it to get itself into 10th gear within moments after leaving a stop light under light throttle. I would prefer to have those revs available during my acceleration away from the light by keeping the 6 spd in 2nd or 3rd much longer. Sounds nicer as well. Now maybe running the 10 spd. in Sport Mode improves this. But the Sport Mode shifts I find to be annoyingly firm. Jerky, if you will. Not very refined. Or I could use the paddle shifters, right?. But if I have to use the paddle shifters, I am basically back in manual mode. So why have the automatic? Remember the 10 spd. adds $1595 to the sticker price.
3. I like being able to shift the gearbox into a lower gear when entering a corner. I have perfected this technique which includes double-clutching and smooth rev-matching. This is a skill that an experienced driver should develop. The 10 spd. totally takes this fun little clutch and throttle maneuver completely away. A bit dull, IMHO.
4. How long will you own your 2018 Mustang? I'd like to keep mine for ten years. So which transmission do you suppose will be more durable over the long haul? IMHO, the technically simpler 6 spd. manual will prove to be more durable. And cheaper to fix if it should break. Repairing a broken 10 spd. auto. beyond the warranty period could cost a ton.Well, folks, that's my summary. You may still prefer the 10 spd. auto., and that's fine. The car actually will be great with either gearbox. Be blessed, y'all.
Actually the 10-Speed costs an additional $2000 dollars for the drive mode selector on top of the $1595 option if you want to get the most out of it in non premium GTs.
I agree with most of what you said but there is one thing i disagree with...the fact you said its the speed in which it shifts that makes it faster vs a well driven manual (well driven is the key word here). That has a small part to do with it...its mostly due to gearing. No the 5.0 dont have a narrow power band but it does make most of its go fast power in the upper rpm band where the huge gearing advantage the 10 speed has will really help it to be faster. I beleive if someone geared the 2018 manual better and threw 456 gears in it to make it closer overall to what the old mt82 trans ratios combined w 373 was like 11-17. The old 331 cars were geared better for this engine than the current 373 cars...the new trans and clutch is better outside of shitty shift forks but the gear ratios are much longer so 373 isnt even close to optimal for drag and that is a big part of why the 10 speed has a significant advantage et wise stock for stock. It has so many gears it constantly stays in the upper rpm band and it has a huge advantage over the manual as far as average power during a quarter mile race. If you look at average power on the manual for 18 up and compare it to even a 3.15 geared 10 speed the 10 speed has way more average power because of the gearing due to having so many gears and on a high revving coyote engine thats a big deal. People dont even come close to realizing how much of an advantage this is. That is 85% why its faster...not because of having "faster shifts" that is a small factor comparitively
I have a 15gt performance pkg manual and I have never complained about the transmission. I also came from a miata which had a great gear box. My new18 gt wil be performance pkg, magneride, 10speed, digital dash, active exhaust. Its due in 3/5 cant wait. Will be my first auto sports car ever and im 42. Maybe getting lazy in my old age but thought the specs on the new 10speed were impressive enough to give it a try. Im also really loomimg forward to finally having auto start to.
Hi I had a miata too, and I want a mustang with 10speed auto. What do you think. Is it a good change or maybe buy a New nd miata. Is it so enjoyable like a miata?
BTW, I hear Ford is adding automatic "Rev Matching" to the 2019. It will be programmed in, and you will have the option on all models to use it, or you can disengage it on the center screen.
Condor my 2018 rev matches when downshifting ;-) no need to wait on the 2019...
I have a 2016 GT with the PP and manual. I couldn't agree with you more. I don't go drag racing, nor do I do a lot of street racing, so the straight-line acceleration advantages of the new 10-speed really isn't that important to me. I have owned 3 Miatas, including the 2011 PRHT I traded in to get the Mustang, and 2 Honda S2000s. I loved the manuals on both those cars, but would prefer my GT over them, primarily because handling 400 lbs of torque is a lot trickier than handling 140 or 170. The GT manual has a precise feel, light and positive clutch engagement and, combined with the fabulous acceleration and sound (Borla Touring exhaust), clearly is a more visceral and engaging experience than those 2 icons of manual delight.
Sounds beautiful. Manual is the way to go
Bought a Manual myself had a similar experience with a eco A10,felt great in the drag and sport modes but was rather boring the rest of the time. Nothing replaces the feeling of rowing your own gears.
I think it depends on what ya want the car to do. Yes I like rolling my owen gears,I also like drag racing and with todays autos and how they shift ya cant beat it. Plus im getting older. So for me its the auto. Best of luck too ya.
Have you found the gearing to be too tall in the non-PP? I've heard some people say the 18s don't feel as fast in the lower rpms with the new taller gearing and 3.55s in the non-PP. Happy to see you back man!
Hey, Matt!
From what I have read they have tuned this engine,, specifically with the new intake, to utilize a little more torque in the low rpm’s. So, to me, it doesn’t really seem any different down low with my 3.55s; but it’s a good bit more powerful at the top. I also really love that 7500 RPM redline!
Thanks man, yeah I'm sure it's a blast!
The 3.73 gearing felt very responsive and I felt the gears were too tall in the 3.55s. My personal preference though...
Are you in 6th at only 55 mph? I can only imagine how that’s lugging the engine.
You mean feel as quick, Matt.
2018 Mustang GT MT82 here. Just did a 2-3 shift and losr 3rd and 4th. 1300 miles bone stock. Shift fork broke.
I want to use my new GT as a daily driver. I drive a lot when I'm tired at 5am and need my coffee, etc. I also get stuck in traffic on occasion. My first thought was to get the 10sp Automatic, and it is nice and convenient, also very fast off the line.
However, I drove the Manual, and it really is as you say. They have really refined the 6spd Manual. The clutch is much better, the short throw is like butter 2-3-4. I have test driven a few of them now, and they are SOOOOooo FUN to drive in a manual. I honestly don't know what to do.
It’s a hard decision, I think... at least for anyone that isn’t forced to drive automatic or too dedicated to manual. The new auto is fast and gives you decent control with the paddle shifters, but that MT-82 manual has been so refined by this point. I love driving it every time I take it out.
Manual is really the only way to go in my opinion. Driving around in the mountains of Colorado with an automatic just isn't as fun.
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Totally understand where you're coming from. I have a 16 GT and got it with an automatic for the first time. I've owned lots of high performance cars of different makes ( 10th mustang) and I've always gotten a manual trans. I got the auto for the simple fact that I was going to put a twin turbo kit on it, which run much better on automatics. The auto/turbo setup is incredible, but I do miss having complete control over the drivetrain, just like you're describing. If 1/4 mile times aren't the end all/be all for you, I agree with your choice. I was looking for the quickest straight line setup so went auto...
I hear that. The auto is appealing, but I just can’t ditch the manual.
Because it's fun.
It's the fun factor and being attached to the car. I have the 2019 Bullitt and had a 2018 6 speed Shelby, and liked both. My wife has the 10 speed auto in her truck, and I prefer the stick in the sports car. The 10 speed is nice, and if I was racing I could see its advantage in on the drag strip.
Good to see you’re back in a ‘stang. Wondering if the 2018’s retain that horrendous clutch assist spring? I dumped mine almost immediately in my 2015, gives the clutch a solid, predictable heft, that does away with the spongy, lightness the spring imparts.
Jay Bird i pulled the spring out cause during powershifts it was smoking the clutch due to it sticking to the floor
The sticking part is gone in the 18 but the spring is too light. Get a steeda spring to replace and it's perfect for the 18
What's the deal with the 2nd shift lock out...?
mm isnt the manual trans on the 18 getting recalls if your 18 came with a manual trans and you were from the 1st batch of orders you may have to get it checked
The new gt stick has the old optional 3.55's rear. It is quicker than the old base cars 3.31s in the stick. It's a nice trade off between the 3.73's and 3.31's.
I have 331s on my Stage 3 Whipple and those gears are better than the ones that come stock!
The 2018 manual has completely diff gearing in the trans itself so the new car with 3.55 is a much longer gear than the old trans with the 3.31s. You would need 4.30-4.56 to be comparable to 3.73 with the old trans. People need to realize this.
It's an adaptive transmission tool bag . It needs more than a 20 min test drive to learn some patterns and then it's a smooth positive transmission, but that's cool buy a manual I need another victim when you roll up with your 6 speed
I hope you utilize nimble thrust control
They also hit you with the gas guzzler tax when you get the manual, further narrowing the price difference.
Hope you like the new camera angle. I died laughing.😂😂😂
European here, for me the "auto gear" was like a blasphemy on a car like this (and it was for the previous model), until they introduced the 2018 model with the new 10 gears and extremely fast steer paddles.. well, I can't justify the manual gear anymore and I must admit: the auto model is "faster" (where with faster I mean more efficient).
I'm not talking about the "auto" feature, I still love deciding which gear to use and when... I'm talking about the fastness into shifting gears, you can't beat it.
If for the 2015 model I would have chosen the manual one... for the 2018 there's really no doubts: auto all the way.
PS: why they are selling that tiny LCD and analog gauges in the US? The 2018 here has the 6" LCD and only digital gauges.
I have no idea why we still have this ridiculous center stack. At least the aftermarket can take care of that. With regards to the digital gauge, I like still having the option of the analog gauges. At least all Mustangs now have the little LCD screen between the gauges with Track Apps and the like (since the 2015 model year).
That is the base model which has msrp of $32,000. Which is great buy.
my guess is that they are upscaling the market targeting overseas
I’d just need the 301A package and I’m good.
Automagics are improving. My problem is having to pay between $800 and $1595 extra, when I'm good at shifting and don't want automagic.
Got this same car but it’s my first time time driving a manual. Had the car for 2 days and my mpg sucks(around 13.) Can you send me a video on downshifting from 3-2 and where should I have The rpm. Or maybe you can just respond to me here. Also when do you find it necessary to use 5th and 6th gear. From what I can tell 3rd is for low to high road speeds 50-75 and 4th goes up to 110. When should I be use gears 5-6.
FullBattleRattle 249 hey bro what’s good. You should keep the rpms around 2300 when driving normally. So on the highway you should be in 5th gear minimum even 6th gear but don’t lug the engine and let rpms go under 2000. Then when you want to go fast then you can take your rpms higher. If you’re driving around at high rpms over like 3 or 4 k then you’re just burning unnecessary gas and adding unnecessary wear to your engine. Remember the power is there and always will be. Oh and I just got the 18 gt pp1 but I’m still breaking in the engine I can’t wait until I reach 1 thousand miles
Fullbattle, your mpg's will not get better till you have at least 1000 miles on it if new. Then you will get a realistic number.
The ECU is usd to being beat on by demo drives. Plus, the ECU needs to calibrate itself when new and that takes 700-1000 miles on average. Dealer fuel in new performance vehicles is also 87 octane. The Mustangs 460 hp is rated on Michigan 93/94 octane. Deduct 10-12 hp and tq for 91 fuel and another 12 hp and tq for 87 octane.
Thanks dude, I’ve been driving for about a month now so I got everything down now but thanks for the info. Any advice on how to do a burnout with the 6speed? I keep stalling out
You really just gotta learn the car and it’s trans ratios. You’ll know after some seat time what rpm is required in each gear for a downshift. And fuel economy comes with break in and how heavy your foot is honestly. I average 16-17 city and about 25-26 highway if I drive conservatively. But considering I’ve got the active exhaust with an H pipe my fuel economy goes out those quads tips.
Don't blame you at all. The manual design is proven in this automobile after years of screw ups starting in 2011. Can you name one auto in a passenger car in the last 8 years Ford has built that has been reliable? Not the Focus, Fiesta, way too many early issues with 6f35 in the Fusion leading up to and still with the 2015s onward. Maybe the Taurus?
The 10 speed needs to "learn" your driving habits, that's why test driving and new unit with no miles on it is a bad representation on the trans
Does it have AI learning or something?? Do you know how it works, genuinely curious.
Ryan Frizell it learns how hard to shift by you driving habits,drive it hard it will shift harder and hold gears longer, drive it easy and it will "granny" shift and put you in a higher gear quicker for "a better ride". Most newer fords have this "adaptive shift protocol"
Also the 10 speed has what they call skip shifting most of the time when all 10 gears arnt needed(city driving or in the f150 when not towing) it acts like a normal 5 speed auto 1-3-5-7-10
When you steep on it or load it down it will step though all the gears,it's basically a 5 speed auto with an "overdrive"on each gear
That’s pretty cool, really. However, I’d still rather choose my gear than rely on the computer. Plus... SkyNet! These machines need to stop “learning!”
Games&Gears your right there's no better feeling then reving a 5.0 up, poping the clutch and letting 450+ HP scream!
The new and slightly improved MT82-D4 still has damn Chinese parts in it. That's why a few have failed lately. And technically, after 60 mph, if the manual driver is very good, the manual will win in roll runs. It's still a 45 lb lighter transmission vs the new automatic.
Mustang with automatic transmission. There is something wrong in this world
how about a mustang with a transmission made in china?
Yes Ricardo, it's called a cell phone. It's why we are losing our driving privileges slowly and manufacturers are pushing for autonomus vehicles. People are just ignorant and would rather use their dumb devices than drive. I'd love to pass a national law: If you want to use a phone while driving, when on it hands free or texting, then you don't need a vehicle or a license. You are a danger to society and just showing the rest if the world how stupid you are and a complete wanton disregard for other people's lives. If anyone is pulled over using a phone in any manner 2x in 1 yr, they should lose their license for 1 yr. Folks don't seem to understand, your devices have a built in gos that can not be turned off unless the battery can be removed. That gps unit tracks your speed, direction, date, time, etc. it will be used against you in court. All vehicles built after 2005 also have an automotive version of an air,iners "black box" that records all kinds of data, so if you go race you vehicles on tne street or are in an accident, the information is recorded, sent to police labs and the insurance companies. Freedom does not exist after 2001 folks. Figure it soon.
Manual all the way. The wife and I were unanimous on that. Like you said the automatic feels like it's searching for gears too much.
Pull the auto shifter one more notch and no more hunting, it goes in and stays in the gear you put it in. Issue solved ;-)
6 spd here. 19PP1
I was going to get a manual but way to many problems!!! To cheap in the parts for the manual trying to save weight!! I smell a recall coming!!!!
I want an auto, it's hard for me to do other things while driving with the manual
? What else are you doing other then driving????
Smoking, on the phone, finger YOUR Bitch.. etc
Jorge Villarejo exactly
You know your a trash ball when your smoking new port hunneds in a 2018 premium package Mustang 😂
Is the 6spd still the mt-82?
yes
In my heart I will always be a manual guy but, with today's traffic and its efficiency to shift gears faster and have the engine in its power band why would you go to a manual. Ford is only going to improve on auto.
Should of stepped up for nav package though
Who cares..... respectively of course
300A Car?...if I was in the market that'd be my choice of trim..
300A 6 speed manual..
NASHTON I am with you on this. Like the fox body platform, the LXs were slightly faster than the GT trim due to lighter weight especially the notchback LXs.
Ron Aldana
'88 LX 5.0 coupe growing up..only option was power mirrors..that car was light..
Thinking 4:10 gears paired with the manual would be best..especially with the gearing changes they made with the mt82
@@f150manmaniac youre on the right track but if youre na its more like 456. 410 would be killer for boosted though. These are much much longer geared in the trans so 456 is closer to 373 with the old trans 410 would be kind of like the old 331 cars.
I have a 17 automatic, I really enjoy it
I’m curious: have you tuned it? I know those transmissions feel really aggressive with a tune.
Cubbies34 how you going to enjoy it if all you do is gas lol even my grandma can drive it 😂 idk what you enjoy about it but just Stepping on Gas pedal is not fun
JUST DONT SHIFT TOO HARD, ALUMINUM SHIFT FORKS BREAKING APART. 3 MONTH BACKORDER ON MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS
Auto is faster but the manual is way more fun to drive..IMO
I hope you didn’t get the manual for the simple fact that people would bash your video for getting an automatic!
Not at all. I just can’t let go of the feel of a manual in a performance vehicle. Personal preference... as I said in the video, I see the appeal of the automatic.
Games&Gears
Well that’s good!
Cody fuck those 10 speeds boring as fuck 🖕🏿
I'm in a mustang group and everytime I turn around somebody is having problems with their manual transmission. SMH Ford makes shitty manual tranny. I have a Volkswagen with 300,000 on the original clutch and tranny.
I dust my dads 18 six speed with my 19 10 speed auto .. it’s always in the power band ...
yeah, its hard to choose the manual this time
eddie villegas fuck those 10 speeds boring as fuck. Yea you beat your dad cause your a bitch that can’t drive a manual
Mustangs have just got to be stick. Auto is just wrong in those cars, any year.
Got the new 2018 mustang gt with the 10 speed auto and the transmission broke on me with only 1600 miles :(
ImaRealPotato hard or soft break in ?
It was a little bit on the hard side but the one thing I did was line lock. They just told me today that they found a lot of tire shreds under the car and it looks like its been "abused" by the owner .
ImaRealPotato aww are they still going to honor the warranty ? Wait did you get the car at those miles or put them on yourself ?
Yeah they're going to honor it !! And i put those miles on myself :)
ImaRealPotato that's good to hear man would have sucked if they voided it, hope the new one gives you more miles
All my friends know, the day I need a radio on my Harley, or a Automatic trans in a muscle car, shoot me.
10 speed is so much better.
I would hope so, because it's going to be installed in a LOT of Ford and GM products! ;-)
"2018 Mustang GT - Why I Got The 6-Speed Manual"?
Answer: Because you like to be slower.
Yes haha