I think the sound clip they used (787B) was not as good as others I've seen/heard online. I am in agreement that the 787B is one of, if not the best, sounding exhaust notes ever.
Mark Mangini described the 4A-GE *_perfectly_* . It is just a pure incredible coincidence that the description fit the AE86 so well, especially with its role in Initial D.
Most of the time you want rapid fire gear changes, but in the case of the LFA the gear changes are actually part of the drama. They are so delayed and so slow that it’s almost as if it’s cleansing your auditory palate for each successive gear. It’s truly a masterpiece.
@@THESLlCK We aren’t talking about performance here. We’re talking about experience. Still, 3.8 seconds to 60 was hardly slow, even by today standards. And flat out it would do 200 mph. Also not slow.
@@Soh90 for well over half a million dollars in the mid 2000s it was slow and expensive. And if we are talking about experience, it’s heavy and not particularly responsive. It frankly wasn’t a good car. Only the engine note was notable.
@@THESLlCK ??? It wasn't slow, nor was it really expensive for what it is. It isn't heavy either. It weighs 50kg more than the Ferrari 458 it competed against. The 458 does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, the LFA in 3.6 seconds. The 458 does a lap of the Nurburgring in 7:33, the LFA in 7:38. Then Lexus came out with the Lexus LFA Nurburgring package, which smashed the 458 with a time of 7:14.64, making it the 7th fastest road-legal production car on that track at the time. But even the base LFA was a proper fast car. Loads of groups tested them on different tracks, and it performed great everywhere. It set the fastest wet lap at the Top Gear test track, the third fastest lap at the US Top Gear test track and the fastest lap time at Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours despite freezing temperatures. Auto Zeitung tested it against the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG at Contidrom test track, which is also where Continental tests tire performance. They had a similar top speed, but the LFA had a shorter brake distance and smashed the Benz by 2 seconds with a 1:35.66 lap time. Auto Zeitung concluded "The LFA dominates the AMG Mercedes SLS in the manner of a precise formula racer". They praised the LFA's race car-like response and handling. Jay Leno reviewed the LFA and was very impressed with it, stating that it was one of the greatest supercars ever built. He said there might be other cars out there that could individually do things better than the LFA, but no other car does everything so extremely well. I really have no idea where you are getting your opinions from. By all accounts, reports, tests and experiences, the LFA was a very fast road-legal production car.
@@THESLlCK It’s was $375,000, not half a million. And now they’re worth over $1,000,000……. Guess the car spoke for itself. I’m not some LFA zealot, but thinking that the only value of a car is in its raw performance is deeply flawed and shows that you are an average consumer, not an enthusiast.
The Pagani definitely has one, if not, THE most dramatic starting noises I’ve ever heard. It’s almost like it coughs to life. But the LFA….. it’s tough. But my money is still on the LFA. The Pagani sounds nasty and angry. The Lexus on the other hand, that thing is singing. That is the sound of a truly happy car. It also has the AE86 effect where it sounds like it’s overachieving.
I loved the way you explained all of the mechanics and specs of these engines. The part where you show the VR6 animation and explained why the cylinders were offset and the V only being 15 deg. Also loved how you explained about how important sound is to car people. I would imagine many of us car people have a decent audio system at home.
Yeah, they really picked the worst clips here. It also feels incredibly scripted and not genuine. The I5 clip of the Audi was also the worst clip they could have used. Like, Audi S1 Group B? Hello??
It's incredible would love to hear one in person. si·nus·oi·dal /ˌsīnəˈsoidl/ adjective adjective: sinusoidal 1. having the form of a sine curve. "a sinusoidal waveform"
Kinda a shame they didn't get to hear the 787b's idle. The variance between it's stuttery, quick thrumming idle and the much smoother scream it makes at high RPM is a big part of what makes that engine sound so interesting.
Fricking nailed the guess on the Zonda R! the idle didnt sound agressive like F1 and it felt more nasal than an F1 car during the fly-by. Pagani is also one of my top 3 favorite brands Also, the LFA is iconic - cannot mess that guess up
@@jedediahsmart569 i mean i was confused few times, mainly by the first one, which was the mustang, did not sound like a mustang honestly for me, cause i dont sit infront of the car to listen to it. Do you?
@@NicoLas-xy3ew you're clearly not a car person then, most people that are actually in the car scene know what different cars, especially icon cars what they sound like.
@@jedediahsmart569 I do not think there is such people that would remember every single car for the sound of it. You're clearly not a car person, because you deny other people can be, its hilarious. you can cope any way you want, but calling me a non car person is not the way brother. you can enjoy any car, but if you're sitting at the front of a V8 car, you will not really tell the difference, because the sound comes from the exhaust. Nice one goober, now go enjoy your malding session.
@@LOLA6ifyableyour absolutely right, just a stunning pure analog sound. The aventador couldn’t match it stock but damn the later gallardo v10s were stunning to the ears as well
@@12pagani Yes the Avantador sounds amazing ! despite it being more modren but still lacks the pure sound of the LP640. And yes The gllardo V10 is also Amazing , the Huracan is again not as clean being more modren. The sound of modren cars is much more muted because of regulations , but maybe this is where electric cars can help , by being the majority , maybe they lossen up on Fuel powered cars (if pertol or bio of some sort)
Best sound of the Murci is the starter motor (not that the V12 sounds anything short of spectacular, just that the starter motor gives me chills). Still think the LFA is the best sounding road-legal car ever made. The Zonda R is damn close, though.
@@MaxRamos8 yeah, but just one episode, didn’t say: “I would have sworn they never worked together”. That was also a good one. I hope they make him a regular.
The Bullitt Mustang is one of the sweetest sounding cars ever made. Even the new ones they made for the anniversary from the 05 to 08 Mustang model had a modified exhaust system to sound the same, sounded great also!
The LFA's exhaust sound was developed by Yamaha's musical engineers (totally different from Yamaha Motors). So, when you have a company like Yamaha behind the sound. You know it will be good.
I think editing made an error. You can see how the video was cut. Toyota did win a handful of Lemans, even though their cars are so boring. Maybe he meant it's the first Japanese car to ever win Le Mans.
Whoever wrote the script probably played too much GT4 on the PS2, because it was worded like that in the game, mainly because TS050 wasn't a thing back in the days.
This chemistry is it! It's like a kid and his cool uncle that share the same passion. Grat back and forth and you can feel the love they have for these sounds
The samples they used here for the 787B were awful, totally did not do it justice. There is a drive by YT vid with over 4mill views and it sounds better than the Zonda IMO.
The British V12s have a unique sound that I like a lot. Another British car maker, TVR, make great sounding engines. All the way from their I6 to their V12, all their engines sound like they want to kill you. They have such a raw sound.
Ford also made a V4... though the brand most known for using it is not Ford, but Saab x) but yeah, V4's got a distinct sound. but when it comes to italians... to bad they didn't add in a Busso based Alfa in this clip... good holley molley a tuned Busso V6 sounds good.
He just perfectly described the 4AGE and it's reliability, power and "protagonist" thing! And he didn't even know Initial D or Keiichi or AE86 racing heritage. Damn, this man is terrifying.
I think this is one of my favorite videos you've done so far. I could watch Sandro and Angelina all day, but this scratches a different kind of itch I didn't know I had.
Great video! You made one thing about the RS3 wrong thow. The rev fotage was an RS3 but the flyby was an Audi S3 with a 4 cylinder. The Rs3 sounds amazings on flyby💥
I was working at MAHLE when they started putting TDI into upperclass and didnt want it to sound like tractors. No active sound but frequency filtering, resonance, dampening... BMW Z4 and VW gti already had sound modules from MAHLE i think... The Ford Focus RS had a different style membrane one.. We did a setup for an Audi A3 ranging from two stroke chainsaw to nasty racing engine. Biggest bonus: you get a nice motor sound and feedback, while not annoying every living beeing around. Volume and noise doesnt equal sound. If your engine needs that to get down your road at walking speed its broken..
There are just so many things going on within LFA's noise, it's so refined, yet so distinctively organic, it also doesn't shatter your ear buds or tear up your brain like a lot of high-pitch engines, it's literally an instrument, and is being masterfully played by something alive.
We all know the LFA is the best, but hearing it back to back with all of the other cars shows just how clear and beautiful the sounds it makes really are
I saw the LFA for the first time at the 2011 Nürburgring 24H in it's GT3 Version ran by Gazoo Racing. Dude...those two cars where sounding even more mental than the street Version. That Engine is a Marvel of Engineering and I am in love with it ever since. Unfortunately they had to muffle it the year after because it was too loud lol.
Never been on this channel before. Haven’t watched a lot. Of car content lately, but I’m glad this got recommended. Was way more informative than I was expecting. Cheers
Awesome game to play! It's amazing how our sight can play a role in how "good" a sound is! This guy is like my hero as music nerd, I would love the ability to switch off outside 'interference' and hear what he hears
the LFA and Zonda R really are some of the best sounding cars in the world. the zonda r sounds so good i thought it was an F1 car, and i know how beautiful the zonda r sounds. the LFA is just majestic, not a car sounds expert but just the sheer whine of that v10 is just so beautiful. it raced for first place in terms of sound and it is up there!
I always loved the 787, Pagani and the LFA. My favorite sounds out of motors ever. I will always appreciate Ferrari, Lamborghini and any and all V8’s, and nicely tuned 6 cylinder exhaust tones though.
That RS3 segment most certainly didnt have a 5 cylinder engine at the guessing stage. 5 pots have a very distinctive sound and that wasn't it. It might have been an exhaust note from a GTI or S3, but not RS3.
You can actually see around 10:35 that the flyby was definitely from an S3 The idle WAS an RS3, which is part of why the idle sounded good and deep while the flyby felt more tinny and lackluster.
@@user-so9cy7ec8z I get that this isn't old school Top Gear where they get their hands on about every car. My point is that this is very impartial based on the recordings used.
Damn the voodoo got done dirty, not a great audio sample because that engine makes some of the most immaculate sounds I've ever heard and many would agree
man i love listening to people talk about things they are passionate and informed about. Really feels like they got excited, and thats just good content.
The first sound they played was absolutely and without question a Honda 4-cyl engine. I guessed the B18C from the Integra type R, but thought it might also have been the F20C from the AP1 S2000. I knew the GT350 the moment it started. The sound is very identifiable, even though the driver wasn’t taking it up to 8200RPM. I would pause and write my guesses down as they went along, and was appalled that they tried to claim both clips came from the GT350. Somebody screwed up their game!!
It's even more fun to talk about sound. Noise is background or unwanted sounds. All noises are sounds, but not all sounds are noises. Seems like a SOUND engineer might know that.
I KNEW IT WAS THE GT350, that special flatplane is so iconic, and gotta give HUGE credit to yamaha they made the trueno and LFA so good. this video is just so fun
It sounded like a honda in the front then v8 from the back hahah but flat plane v8's do have 4cylinder honda like sounds everywhere BUT the exhuast lmao
You ought to put the 1950's BRM V16 on the list. I love the LFA sound from the day it was made. Hearing the BRM makes my heart race like no other engine sound.
The secret of the Pagani isn't just in the V12 (although it always helps), it's the equal length headers, who ensure that all equally spaced pulses keep being equally pulsed when they exit out of the exhaust pipes. Which makes for an ever smooth note, and keeps the pitch very high up. Also helps with power! But props to the engineers, the Pagani geniuses being given one of the best canvas to work on (AMG is nearly systematically known for the amazing sound of their engines), and the result is definitely at the level of our expectations.
Yup it's all in the headers on the m120 V12 , stock headers are terrible, zonda used equal length 3-2-1 headers then merged the banks at the tips. I am using the mercedes m120 (OG zonda engine) for my V12 build 😎
I would definitely rank the 787B higher. And you don't give it enough credit as a race car. True, it did run at a lighter weight than the other cars in group C at LeMans that year, but it was also the most reliable car there that year, and the most fuel efficient. Two things that you wouldn't normally associate with a rotary, unless you truly know rotaries that is. I think if you heard these cars in person, you would find it much more dramatic than in the audio clips you provided.
Yeah that startup and idle was definitely not recorded anywhere near the exhaust. I am genuinely curious how many good GT350 idle exhaust clips they had to search through to find that.
Not to forget the best handling supercar ever made. It was brutal and unforgiving and still looks timeless and elegant after 2 decades. Man, 2004 was so good year. Makes me old now
This was probably my favourite video from you lot so far. Really enjoy the guessing game that we can all do from home. And Mark as a guest to take a professional approach of a movie makers perspective was really really cool.
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Yeah the LFA is one of the best sounding cars ever, although the 787B is hard to beat too.
I think the sound clip they used (787B) was not as good as others I've seen/heard online. I am in agreement that the 787B is one of, if not the best, sounding exhaust notes ever.
@@JustinSawyer-t5c the GTR R35 sounds good too, in general Nissan V6's sound good and Lamborghin V10 and V12's
Unpopular opinion: BMW with straight cut gears is arguably one of thee best sounding cars
@@JustinSawyer-t5c True. It was a bit disappointing in the video but its definitely on the top
@@somerandomguy6116 as in the bmw m3 gtr? yeah, definently one of my favorites if not my favorite of all time. hard to beat the lexus though
Mark Mangini described the 4A-GE *_perfectly_* . It is just a pure incredible coincidence that the description fit the AE86 so well, especially with its role in Initial D.
It’s a Toyota, he could say those exact same words about any of their other engines and be right
@@inherentlyflawed He also noticed it was highly tuned, which that hill climb monster is.
That 20V is something very special though.
That VW VR6 was so distinguishable I knew that
@@ConnorHammondnot a hill climb car, exclusively a downhill racer
I don’t need to even watch this to know it’s the LFA.
Engineered for a nice sound
Brought to you by Yamaha
Yamaha is an amazing engine builder and instrument builder.
Also as a former Master Certified Lexus Parts Manager, don't look up parts for the LFA unless you want a call from Lexus with a number questions.
Here's your trophy 💩
i love pagani but i’ve finally gotten to hear an LFA in person and it 1000% lives up to the hype.
I love that two comments apart have the opposite takes
Most of the time you want rapid fire gear changes, but in the case of the LFA the gear changes are actually part of the drama. They are so delayed and so slow that it’s almost as if it’s cleansing your auditory palate for each successive gear. It’s truly a masterpiece.
Yes but for what was supposed to be a fast shifting and technologically advanced car it really didn’t perform as it should’ve
@@THESLlCK We aren’t talking about performance here. We’re talking about experience. Still, 3.8 seconds to 60 was hardly slow, even by today standards. And flat out it would do 200 mph. Also not slow.
@@Soh90 for well over half a million dollars in the mid 2000s it was slow and expensive. And if we are talking about experience, it’s heavy and not particularly responsive. It frankly wasn’t a good car. Only the engine note was notable.
@@THESLlCK ??? It wasn't slow, nor was it really expensive for what it is. It isn't heavy either. It weighs 50kg more than the Ferrari 458 it competed against. The 458 does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, the LFA in 3.6 seconds. The 458 does a lap of the Nurburgring in 7:33, the LFA in 7:38. Then Lexus came out with the Lexus LFA Nurburgring package, which smashed the 458 with a time of 7:14.64, making it the 7th fastest road-legal production car on that track at the time. But even the base LFA was a proper fast car. Loads of groups tested them on different tracks, and it performed great everywhere. It set the fastest wet lap at the Top Gear test track, the third fastest lap at the US Top Gear test track and the fastest lap time at Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours despite freezing temperatures. Auto Zeitung tested it against the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG at Contidrom test track, which is also where Continental tests tire performance. They had a similar top speed, but the LFA had a shorter brake distance and smashed the Benz by 2 seconds with a 1:35.66 lap time. Auto Zeitung concluded "The LFA dominates the AMG Mercedes SLS in the manner of a precise formula racer". They praised the LFA's race car-like response and handling.
Jay Leno reviewed the LFA and was very impressed with it, stating that it was one of the greatest supercars ever built. He said there might be other cars out there that could individually do things better than the LFA, but no other car does everything so extremely well.
I really have no idea where you are getting your opinions from. By all accounts, reports, tests and experiences, the LFA was a very fast road-legal production car.
@@THESLlCK It’s was $375,000, not half a million. And now they’re worth over $1,000,000……. Guess the car spoke for itself. I’m not some LFA zealot, but thinking that the only value of a car is in its raw performance is deeply flawed and shows that you are an average consumer, not an enthusiast.
I love the LFA, but my god does that Pagani sound good
It really does. I prefer the ford v8 but it does sound sweet. Much better than the Ferrari.
That Pagani had legit F1 sound - and from the good years of F1 too!
Pagani was the best one. I was expecting an LFA to show up, but did they ever make a manual cause I was thrown off by those *loong* shifts
But if they included the Huayra R it will beat everything
The Pagani definitely has one, if not, THE most dramatic starting noises I’ve ever heard. It’s almost like it coughs to life. But the LFA….. it’s tough. But my money is still on the LFA. The Pagani sounds nasty and angry. The Lexus on the other hand, that thing is singing. That is the sound of a truly happy car. It also has the AE86 effect where it sounds like it’s overachieving.
Wow guys. This was the coolest way to look at sounds and judge them. This perspective on sounds was amazing.
"look at sounds" we got a comedian in the chat.
@@nasonguy It is metaphorical.
Especially with a pro. One of my favorite Real Mechanic Stuff videos so far
Hyundai s coupe turbo 🎉 check one out boys
@@logandehaven8537😊
I loved the way you explained all of the mechanics and specs of these engines. The part where you show the VR6 animation and explained why the cylinders were offset and the V only being 15 deg. Also loved how you explained about how important sound is to car people. I would imagine many of us car people have a decent audio system at home.
I think a better recording of the 787B would have showcased the sound a bit better. Having heard one in real life, there is nothing else like it.
LFA sounds amazing but the 787B is king, without question to me.
LONG LIVE THE ROTARY
Why did he say that it was not a good car ?
People have different opinions but the recording they listened to was probably one of the worst 787b audio clips I have ever heard. @@Epicurion.
Yeah, they really picked the worst clips here. It also feels incredibly scripted and not genuine. The I5 clip of the Audi was also the worst clip they could have used. Like, Audi S1 Group B? Hello??
The Zonda R is the best ive heard in person, it sent shivers up my spine.
You should Hear the Huayra R even in videos it sounds phenomenal
It's incredible would love to hear one in person.
si·nus·oi·dal
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adjective
adjective: sinusoidal
1.
having the form of a sine curve.
"a sinusoidal waveform"
BMW F10 ///M5 BEST SOUNDING EVER
the exhaust has soooo much to do with this as well. its almost everything on this sound tbh.
You can drive LFA on streets. You can’t zonda r
Kinda a shame they didn't get to hear the 787b's idle. The variance between it's stuttery, quick thrumming idle and the much smoother scream it makes at high RPM is a big part of what makes that engine sound so interesting.
Didn't have an LFA flyby or rev, either. Did both dirty
Right! They had the wrong Soundclips all along! And where the heck is the Lambo in this video???
Fricking nailed the guess on the Zonda R! the idle didnt sound agressive like F1 and it felt more nasal than an F1 car during the fly-by. Pagani is also one of my top 3 favorite brands
Also, the LFA is iconic - cannot mess that guess up
Zonda 😍 I hope I can make my V12 sound like that
There're two things about this man: 1.He has passion in sounds, 2. He has passion in cars
He doesn’t know anything about car sounds, he was surprised that a 4-cylinder is a 4-cylinder.
@@jedediahsmart569 exactly! He thought a mustang was a dam chain saw 🤓
@@jedediahsmart569 i mean i was confused few times, mainly by the first one, which was the mustang, did not sound like a mustang honestly for me, cause i dont sit infront of the car to listen to it.
Do you?
@@NicoLas-xy3ew you're clearly not a car person then, most people that are actually in the car scene know what different cars, especially icon cars what they sound like.
@@jedediahsmart569 I do not think there is such people that would remember every single car for the sound of it.
You're clearly not a car person, because you deny other people can be, its hilarious.
you can cope any way you want, but calling me a non car person is not the way brother.
you can enjoy any car, but if you're sitting at the front of a V8 car, you will not really tell the difference, because the sound comes from the exhaust.
Nice one goober, now go enjoy your malding session.
YES!!!!! This guy analyzing the best sounding V8s is one of my favorite Donut videos. So awesome to see him back!!
Glad they had him back.
Isn’t this just a repeat of the original episode?
Good lord no. I won’t be watching the next one if they have him back again.
@@otacon5648why lmao
@@otacon5648Y u mad
I wish they had added the Murcielago V12 sound as well. Its among the best in the world.
Agree , In my opinion the Lp640 sounds the bests - yes better than the SV even, I find it more pure somehow.
an ear-melting sound.
@@LOLA6ifyableyour absolutely right, just a stunning pure analog sound. The aventador couldn’t match it stock but damn the later gallardo v10s were stunning to the ears as well
@@12pagani Yes the Avantador sounds amazing ! despite it being more modren but still lacks the pure sound of the LP640.
And yes The gllardo V10 is also Amazing , the Huracan is again not as clean being more modren.
The sound of modren cars is much more muted because of regulations , but maybe this is where electric cars can help , by being the majority , maybe they lossen up on Fuel powered cars (if pertol or bio of some sort)
@@LOLA6ifyableSV sounds better like the trumpets from heaven
Best sound of the Murci is the starter motor (not that the V12 sounds anything short of spectacular, just that the starter motor gives me chills). Still think the LFA is the best sounding road-legal car ever made. The Zonda R is damn close, though.
The one that always comes up for me, is the AMG M156 in C63's etc. Jag's new V8s are so good too. Love a good growl and a loose rumble under throttle.
Really did the voodoo dirty. The guy probably had it in quiet mode in the first clip and track mode in the second, that engine sound is a work of art.
Right… gt350’s v8 is my second favorite, first LFA
Same with the rs3, they barely let it rev out
Audio guy cackling in the back office wearing an LS fest shirt.
Def the worst sounding clips of the voodoo I’ve heard, never would have guessed it was a GT350 based off the clips
Came here to say this. They did it dirty in the V8 rankings too.
These two have amazing chemistry on screen. I would have sworn they worked together for years if I didn’t know better.
They did do a previous episode with the same topi c
@@MaxRamos8 yeah, but just one episode, didn’t say: “I would have sworn they never worked together”. That was also a good one. I hope they make him a regular.
So cool to see Engine Simulator used for the animations, such a great open source project
Engine Simulator is open source? I thought AngeTheGreat was gonna try to sell it once he finished it.
@@ads1035yup it’s open source
@@ads1035 The community edition is live on his github right now. Hasn't had any updates in last 5 months or so though.
@@ads1035last i checked he said he was going to keep it open so that everyone could have access to it!
@@ads1035 Engine Simulator 3D will be sold. The version out now is open source.
The Bullitt Mustang is one of the sweetest sounding cars ever made. Even the new ones they made for the anniversary from the 05 to 08 Mustang model had a modified exhaust system to sound the same, sounded great also!
The LFA's exhaust sound was developed by Yamaha's musical engineers (totally different from Yamaha Motors). So, when you have a company like Yamaha behind the sound. You know it will be good.
The LFA at high revs kind of sounds like my R6 lol, the scream is almost identical
@AhmeddR6 oh shit, you're right.
@@Ahmedd105well it's a V10 so... depending of the rev limit it will sound identic, meanhwhile Lamborghini ones are deeper
I mean Yamaha motors and the music are still all the same yamaha
@@Ahmedd105lol😅😅😅😅😅
The Mazda 787B is not the only Japanese car to ever win Le mans, Toyota won 5 times the past 2 decades
I think editing made an error. You can see how the video was cut. Toyota did win a handful of Lemans, even though their cars are so boring. Maybe he meant it's the first Japanese car to ever win Le Mans.
It was the first.
Then, Toyota won 2 times win the TS050 and 3 times with the GR010
He did say it WAS the only car to ever win Le Mans. Which could be a weird way of saying it was the first ;)
787B is the only Japanese car that won Le Mans with a Rotary engine.
Whoever wrote the script probably played too much GT4 on the PS2, because it was worded like that in the game, mainly because TS050 wasn't a thing back in the days.
Mark is the coolest! An absolute legend in the filmmaking world. Good get!
The 787 got done dirty here. It's an epic sounding car.
This chemistry is it! It's like a kid and his cool uncle that share the same passion. Grat back and forth and you can feel the love they have for these sounds
The 787B is my favourite sound from a car by far. I love how rotaries sound, especially racing ones. Also really enjoy the Zonda R noise
Didn't know the zonda r had a clk gtr engine, what a throwback! The clk gtr is one of those forgotten legends today unfortunately
The samples they used here for the 787B were awful, totally did not do it justice. There is a drive by YT vid with over 4mill views and it sounds better than the Zonda IMO.
Lancia Fulvia has an interesting soundtrack with it's unique V4. The V12 from an Aston Martin is quite mesmerizing as well.
Strongly agree.
The British V12s have a unique sound that I like a lot.
Another British car maker, TVR, make great sounding engines. All the way from their I6 to their V12, all their engines sound like they want to kill you. They have such a raw sound.
Yup fulvia is such a good car
Ford also made a V4... though the brand most known for using it is not Ford, but Saab x)
but yeah, V4's got a distinct sound.
but when it comes to italians... to bad they didn't add in a Busso based Alfa in this clip... good holley molley a tuned Busso V6 sounds good.
The V8 in an Alfa Romeo Montreal is also quite nice.
The LFA is what we all thought cars sounded like when we were 5 and what we thought our first car sounded like in high school
This is one of my favourite Donut videos. Being an audiophile and a car guy at the same time is such a bless. Love u guys. Greetings from Romania
I really can't imagine driving a car, no matter how fast, without the sound. It just makes it so good!!
When I heard the Pagani I recognized it immediately, man the sounds they got out of the Zonda line were incredible.
I know right. For me it was the way that the engine turned on was an immediate sign
7.3L N/A AMG derived V12, right?
Incredible.
@@MattH-wg7ou indeed
Definitely 😍 Mercedes v12 💪 I am building my dream V12 supercar with the m120😎
He just perfectly described the 4AGE and it's reliability, power and "protagonist" thing! And he didn't even know Initial D or Keiichi or AE86 racing heritage. Damn, this man is terrifying.
And perfectly describes the unreliability of an audi.
@@Towel1elmaoooo
wtf ... thats why they race in gt ? are you joking ?@@Towel1e
Unsubscribed for hating the Mazda 787b
Learn the story and you'll understand. Its a legend of a car for what it is but its performance and competion isn't what made it what it was.
@@eliasdanks4352 Blud this whole vid is about sound Lmfao
@@KeatoilOh, it sounds like a pitched up fart 👉
@@ICEM4N6 talked like someone who has never heard it in real life. The clip they used here is the worst sounding clip of 787b that i have ever seen.
@@ICEM4N6even sped up it’s not a human fart lmfao. Muscle cars fart not a freaking 787b what are you on
Love Mark being on the show!!
Some 1998-2010 Audi Quattro engines make very pretty sounds.
I didn't even recognize the RS3 in the clip because it is all pops and bangs and no real 5 cylinder sound anymore
@@Alexx120493that’s what I’m saying. They should’ve used a Volvo
@@Alexx120493 I didn't recognize the RS3 as an owner. Sounds nothing like what I'm driving :(
They should troll next one with hayabusa turbo
@@jkliao6486the sound from the inside is often different, and a lot of brands pump engine noises into the interior through the speakers
I think this is one of my favorite videos you've done so far. I could watch Sandro and Angelina all day, but this scratches a different kind of itch I didn't know I had.
I got to see an LFA at a cars and coffee not to long ago and that cars sound is just incredible.
I got to see one at a show in Cincinnati. It sounds amazing but it's not my favorite. I'm partial to deeper tones tho.
@@nateg08 yeah same here!
I saw one sitting in a random Lexus dealership 😂 a red one
@@nateg08I heard the GT40 Mk1 in a video and absolutely loved it, can only *_dream_* of hearing one in person.
A channel with great plans! I love the Lexus LFA V10. LFA's V10 sound is an "angel's roar".
It’s great to see this guy is back. Absolutely banger video idea, and I love to see he earned another Oscar for Dune
Dune is a boring movie.
Great video! You made one thing about the RS3 wrong thow. The rev fotage was an RS3 but the flyby was an Audi S3 with a 4 cylinder. The Rs3 sounds amazings on flyby💥
Yeah that makes sense. I was baffled bc I had a jetta with an 07k and a borla and it sounded way better in the flyby than that.
I believe they went for the worst RS3 sound clip available on youtube. That engine sounds so much better than that.
@@facusan2339Its S3 fly-by not rs3...
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here is the oryginal source
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Yeah defo cause in my head i thought it sounded like the 4 banger VAG engine
Bring this guy back. So cool. Really shows another level of engineering
I was working at MAHLE when they started putting TDI into upperclass and didnt want it to sound like tractors.
No active sound but frequency filtering, resonance, dampening... BMW Z4 and VW gti already had sound modules from MAHLE i think...
The Ford Focus RS had a different style membrane one..
We did a setup for an Audi A3 ranging from two stroke chainsaw to nasty racing engine.
Biggest bonus: you get a nice motor sound and feedback, while not annoying every living beeing around.
Volume and noise doesnt equal sound. If your engine needs that to get down your road at walking speed its broken..
There are just so many things going on within LFA's noise, it's so refined, yet so distinctively organic, it also doesn't shatter your ear buds or tear up your brain like a lot of high-pitch engines, it's literally an instrument, and is being masterfully played by something alive.
@apophisstr6719 nice profile picture! where's it from?
Im sorry lost one. Carrerra GT did it first, and better.
I hope I can guide you to the right path
I could listen to Mark talk about sound for hours and hours. Dune, Blade Runner 2049, Fury Road, Fifth Element, some of the best sounding movies ever.
We all know the LFA is the best, but hearing it back to back with all of the other cars shows just how clear and beautiful the sounds it makes really are
I saw the LFA for the first time at the 2011 Nürburgring 24H in it's GT3 Version ran by Gazoo Racing.
Dude...those two cars where sounding even more mental than the street Version.
That Engine is a Marvel of Engineering and I am in love with it ever since. Unfortunately they had to muffle it the year after because it was too loud lol.
That LFA sound clip was way better recorded than some of the others though
@@PalpatinesPlumber true, some of those recordings were trash
That Pagani is #1 for me 😊
LFA is not the Best Sounding Buddy Sorry.. It's Sounds good, but I think it's Overrated...ever heard a Lamborghini v12 or Ferrari V12 😅
Man that LFA is 12 years old and still!! That’s the cars I want!
Surprised you didn't mention the Delta S4's twincharged engine.
It's incredible in sound, very unique.
It’s also got 8 exhausts with 4 cylinders!
You guys really did the GT350 Dirty. That first clip was with exhaust valves closed. And that was stock exhaust. Need to do one with full exhaust
This guy is really good he is deserving of his awards. Yet another great video from donuts.
Never been on this channel before. Haven’t watched a lot. Of car content lately, but I’m glad this got recommended. Was way more informative than I was expecting. Cheers
Called the LFA straight away. I knew the Ferrari brand, but that Lexus is so unique that it stands out beyond the others. Incredible engineering!
Mr Mangini needs to listen to that clip of the Ferrari F40 LM driven by Jacques Lafitte. It's insane.
This guy is great. He sounds so passionate about sound, and probably is really interesting to listen to
Some LFA downshifts would have been amazing to hear
You brought him back!!! The first video Mark did with you guys has always been a personal favorite of mine. 10/10.
Mark is awesome!!! So glad you could have him back on the show ❤️❤️❤️
This guy is so amazing and it's a joy to watch him react to these beautiful sounds . Glad to see him back for another episode
I am V10 and I-5 man, but v12 always has that special something. New Murray T50 has amazing tunezzz.
Mark is easily my favorite donut guest of all time! So glad you guys had him back on the show
Awesome game to play! It's amazing how our sight can play a role in how "good" a sound is! This guy is like my hero as music nerd, I would love the ability to switch off outside 'interference' and hear what he hears
I would love to see how he would recreate these sounds.
the LFA and Zonda R really are some of the best sounding cars in the world. the zonda r sounds so good i thought it was an F1 car, and i know how beautiful the zonda r sounds. the LFA is just majestic, not a car sounds expert but just the sheer whine of that v10 is just so beautiful. it raced for first place in terms of sound and it is up there!
I really like this guy's passion. Paired with James' knowledge of engine layout, this was a really fun video.
I am so glad there's a second one of these. Loved the first one.
what if he was to listen to all the donut vehicles?
I always loved the 787, Pagani and the LFA. My favorite sounds out of motors ever. I will always appreciate Ferrari, Lamborghini and any and all V8’s, and nicely tuned 6 cylinder exhaust tones though.
My personal list for street cars only!
1st : GMA T.50
2nd: LFA
3th: Ferrari 812 novitec
4th: Zonda R
The chemistry in this video is so good. I loved this.
That RS3 segment most certainly didnt have a 5 cylinder engine at the guessing stage. 5 pots have a very distinctive sound and that wasn't it. It might have been an exhaust note from a GTI or S3, but not RS3.
It's definitely the sound of a 5 cylinder ... but with stock exhaust, soft limiter to 3000rpm and other limitations ... a very bad sample video !
The Audi RS3 soundtrack was not a RS3. It was definitely a 4 cylinder which means the sound was from a S3. 5 cylinders sound like mini V10's
You can actually see around 10:35 that the flyby was definitely from an S3
The idle WAS an RS3, which is part of why the idle sounded good and deep while the flyby felt more tinny and lackluster.
sounds 4 cylinder when he goes wot
No kidding. Definitely was a poor representation of 5 pots. Should have been a tuned up rs3 or TTRS (maybe the twr 850 racecar)
You really need to record the cars in the same way. The variations in equipment and techniques makes this apples and oranges.
That's not up to them. They get the clips from UA-cam and social media
@@user-so9cy7ec8z I get that this isn't old school Top Gear where they get their hands on about every car. My point is that this is very impartial based on the recordings used.
Damn the voodoo got done dirty, not a great audio sample because that engine makes some of the most immaculate sounds I've ever heard and many would agree
man i love listening to people talk about things they are passionate and informed about. Really feels like they got excited, and thats just good content.
The first sound they played was absolutely and without question a Honda 4-cyl engine. I guessed the B18C from the Integra type R, but thought it might also have been the F20C from the AP1 S2000.
I knew the GT350 the moment it started. The sound is very identifiable, even though the driver wasn’t taking it up to 8200RPM.
I would pause and write my guesses down as they went along, and was appalled that they tried to claim both clips came from the GT350. Somebody screwed up their game!!
And the RS3 one was most definitely NOT an RS3, sounded more like a Golf GTI than anything
okay i also thought it was a honda engine, glad i'm not the only one
@@initialdfan8352GTI or s3 (same engine) was my guess aswell. The 5 banger sounds way better.
I'll be honest, I'm butt hurt that the Mustang got shafted
THAT
As a sound designer and audio engineer, it's fun hearing folks chat about noise
its even better with mark mangini in it
I've said it before but it's interesting listening to people talk about things they are both knowledgeable in and passionate about.
But, are you actually? Everyone claims job titles and then you realize they work at Home Depot.
@@ChainsawChristmas yeah I've worked in recording, composition, acoustics, and mixing/mastering
It's even more fun to talk about sound. Noise is background or unwanted sounds. All noises are sounds, but not all sounds are noises. Seems like a SOUND engineer might know that.
Rotary in RX7 FD & 787B are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
the V12 sounds of the f1 in the late 80's and begin 90's sounds perfect all the way ❤
I want more of this, it was dope seeing Mark's expertise.
It's so cool seeing Engine Simulator to demonstrate how the engines work.
The Ford Cosworth DFV and BMW S70/2 V12 are almost supernatural in terms of pitch, resonance tone, All Of It. remarkable.
I KNEW IT WAS THE GT350, that special flatplane is so iconic, and gotta give HUGE credit to yamaha they made the trueno and LFA so good. this video is just so fun
That GT350 got shafted.
There’s no way that was a gt350 revving stationary.
I'm sorry, but that Voodoo sounds bloody fantastic.
Their audio from the front at idle / revi g didn't do it justice
It sounded like a honda in the front then v8 from the back hahah but flat plane v8's do have 4cylinder honda like sounds everywhere BUT the exhuast lmao
Id love to see what he thinks of the Aprilia RSV4. Incredible sounding motorcycle.
You ought to put the 1950's BRM V16 on the list. I love the LFA sound from the day it was made. Hearing the BRM makes my heart race like no other engine sound.
Not putting a cgt in this video is a crime
I'm seriously missing some F1 engines here. Probably the best sounding power units in existence
The 5 cylender was a horrible example 😢
I know, right?! That was easily the worst exhaust kit I've heard on the RS3/TT RS
Because the flyby was a 4cyl s3 not an rs3 lol
wasnt even a 5 cyl lol they used a s3 on the flyby
@@DuMamesGarage 😭
I know right. The Rs3 usually sounds like a baby lambo
The secret of the Pagani isn't just in the V12 (although it always helps), it's the equal length headers, who ensure that all equally spaced pulses keep being equally pulsed when they exit out of the exhaust pipes. Which makes for an ever smooth note, and keeps the pitch very high up. Also helps with power! But props to the engineers, the Pagani geniuses being given one of the best canvas to work on (AMG is nearly systematically known for the amazing sound of their engines), and the result is definitely at the level of our expectations.
Yup it's all in the headers on the m120 V12 , stock headers are terrible, zonda used equal length 3-2-1 headers then merged the banks at the tips. I am using the mercedes m120 (OG zonda engine) for my V12 build 😎
I would definitely rank the 787B higher. And you don't give it enough credit as a race car. True, it did run at a lighter weight than the other cars in group C at LeMans that year, but it was also the most reliable car there that year, and the most fuel efficient. Two things that you wouldn't normally associate with a rotary, unless you truly know rotaries that is. I think if you heard these cars in person, you would find it much more dramatic than in the audio clips you provided.
they did the 787b dirty for sure.
it was lighter but don't forget they were lumped with hundreds of kilos of ballast as a punishment for being old-school Group C cars..
@@cj09beirathey provided shitty sound clips
He totally bought into the ISMAs propaganda to get the japanese out of racing.
Really wish they'd also included the Lexus LC 500, with the 2UR-GSE. It sounds beautiful as well.
What is a 2UR-GSE
@@Kingofdestruction2019Lexus V8 engines
The GT350 just needed a better sample video 😂
An 86 over a gt350 is fucking insane
I agree, they did it dirty last video too.
that first sample is probably from the engine bay, i thought it was an f20c from the s2k
@@kensterfr33k yea the start up sounded terrible for a gt350
Yeah that startup and idle was definitely not recorded anywhere near the exhaust. I am genuinely curious how many good GT350 idle exhaust clips they had to search through to find that.
The Zonda sound REALLY nice... but nothing beats the LFA.
😍 Both nice but different 👍
Love the Engine animations from AngeTheGreat's Engine simulator!
Love the LFA, would have liked if they included that one off V10 from the BMW E60 M5
The M5 (stock) is sort of like the Viper in that it doesn't really sound like a V10
It was also in the M6
are you nuts ? a viper v10 and the s85 from m5 and m6 doesnt sound even close @@DjDolHaus86
@@AncientEvilSaiyanI didn't say that they sounded like each other, I said they don't sound like V10s
the s85 screams like a v10 lmfaooo dumbasss@@DjDolHaus86
V10 all the way, pick any of them. Totally unique sound in every rev range.
Disappointed that there was no rally car, Quatro or Lancia, those sound insane
an quattro or an 205 would have been really good
The Carrera GT is also a legendary car both in looks and sounds which could be included in this list at least as the Porsche candidate
Not to forget the best handling supercar ever made.
It was brutal and unforgiving and still looks timeless and elegant after 2 decades.
Man, 2004 was so good year.
Makes me old now
This was probably my favourite video from you lot so far.
Really enjoy the guessing game that we can all do from home.
And Mark as a guest to take a professional approach of a movie makers perspective was really really cool.
I wanna see the Grand Tour guys try this sound test out!!
Wonder how many they would get??
Considering these guys got zero, even 1 would be a feat.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE LFA!
LFA and carrera GT both V10, sound perfection to me in my opinion. And the Honda engines should be here as well ...
The LFA’s shifting makes it sound even more beautiful
2:16 I like that editors add bass to the background music when they mentioning bass
Loved geting Mark's perspectives on how sounds affect our being. Cars are cool too.