HORUS LUPERCAL - Reaction to the second found Primarch
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- Опубліковано 9 бер 2019
- Hi all, Wolf Lord Rho back again!
Today we are taking a look at Horus Lupercal, and his reaction to meeting his first brother found by the Emperor after himself. A truly interesting encounter when we know the future events! Was Horus... jealous? And did the Emperor of Mankind just crack a joke!?!?
A BIG THANKYOU for all the support and subscribers so far. You guys have been awesome!
The channel is still small yes... but so was the imperium once
I like the comparison!
The Emperor Protects!
May both be forever in glory!
yes, the Imperium was once small, then it grew to massive proportions, and it then collapsed and is now struggling to survive. the Imperium will not get to 50k. maybe not the best comparison...
Best comment I have seen 2day
Forget the Horus heresy.... this time its more like the Horus jealousy
10/10
cant blame erebus for that
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh snap
I like how the emperor threw in that little bit “he is a brother for you, if you like”.
"And if you don't then he is a coworker and you'll behave"
I loved how the Emperor seems somewhat fond of the primitive culture of Fenris.
Vikings are dope, the emperor knew this
Likely remind him of his own birth culture.
@@____________838 Great point.
@@____________838 nah, I read somewhere he was born in modern Anatolia's region.
@@lateshpatil5307 There’s really not too great a drift among the early indo-European culture, at least compared modern typography.
I always felt like the emperor was a stoic man. I’m glad they are showing us more of his personality
stoic but warm
Well, Dorn did take the stoicism after his Father, after all.
The Emperor is for each person what he needs them to be.
This is Horus’s fatal flaw on full display. He is prideful and insecure. He craves adulation and the feeling of being special and lives in paranoia of losing it.
The primarchs are called superhuman beyond superhuman, but its not really true. They are, ultimately, human as everyone else. They have capabilities, abilities, powers, gifts, talents, everything anyone can ever hope for. But their minds are simply human, with weaknesses of personality often greater than most.
Children grown up without a dad.
No matter their power, they are in danger of developing personality problems, and their power only makes the problems worse.
Its like straight from Basic Psychology for Dummies. Emps had a serious gap in his education.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 It's because Big E has the same problem. He's so in love with his vision and power that he doesn't ever look at himself and his personal shortcomings. Naturally, when designing the Primarchs, questions about strength of character and virtues vs flaws would not cross his mind, since they never cross his mind when thinking about himself anyway.
Then I am Horus..
@Stephen Shuford Malcador was Alpharius all along.
@@Sylinnilys or was he
5:50 Yall heard it. Fenris is actually a combination Midgard, Jurassic park hybrid theme park.
Oft is that a smooth voiced lore UA-camr that doesn’t read wikis word for word
Hope you keep up the good work my dude ❤️
Na he reads novel's and books .... kinda same principle like reading wiki.... but its cool nonetheless ...i enjoy ...
Burn @onemindsyndicate
@@DarthBane959 Listen, OMS is a good place to start with the lore if you don't like reading, they are not to throw away or burn
@@giuseppedagostino6854 honestly i treat them as a last resort i recommend 40k theories
I was never into warhammer till I came to this channel and heard you go into the lore. Now I’m 6 books deep and I love this! Good shit my guy
You deep down the rabbit hole now mate? :)
As the oldest of 5 I can really identify with Horus in this passage
Cool, i'm also the oldest of 5 brothers.^^ By the age of 8 or so, i had everyones butts wiped clean at least once.^^
As a father of 3, I can identify with the Emperor here (not comparing myself to Him, that'd be heresy 😆). But I've seen these sibling rivalry/jealousy/resentment emotions play out a couple times now and this writing/reading is spot on.
The primarchs were discovered in the following order
Horus
Leman Russ
Primarch of the second legion
Ferrus Manus
Fulgrim
Vulkan
Rogal Dorn
Roboute Guilliman
Magnus the Red
Sanguinius
Lion El'Jonson
Perturabo
Mortarion
Lorgar
Jaghatai Khan
Konrad Curze
Angron
Corax
Primarch of the eleventh legion
Alpharius Omegon
Old but I thought Corax was discovered after the II and XI was purged?
@@ReaperofValhalla I think that was retconned?
The primarchs of the 2nd and 11th legions, are they unamed still?
Correction: Alpharius was the first. 2021 :)
@@TheVikingLife wait, what?
I read the emperor meeting Russ for the first time over 10 years ago, directly reads like a Norse saga with the emperor taking the aspect of Odin and challenging the Russ to very Viking contests.
Dude your channel is dope. Keep making content like this and you'll grow fast.
Thanks man!
Just discovered you and subscribed in the Dorn meets Alpharis vid...love the choice of lore your picking...this is a great insight to Horus...the jealousy of his Brothers ( which comes full circle in his near death/ Chaos vision)...the fear to disappoint his Father..which gave Horus a inferiority complex about being the warmaster or second guessing his choices in battle plans ( before he turned to rebellion and chaos)...
Thanks for the support! That's a great assessment of Horus!
Honestly feel bad for Horus, he always wanted to be loved and his downfall now is all the more tragic.
he would not have been fallen if he wasnt hit by that ancient chaos weapon and beeing "healed" by chaos.
@@Vr6Zecke Yeah... fuck'n Erebus.
@@Sceptis It should have been FUCKING EREBUS, not FUCKING HORUS.
It's not that he wanted to be loved, it's that he wanted to be the only one to be loved.
It’s moments like this that makes me wish I had gotten into 40k before the Horus heresy happened
I feel the reason the emperor Never doubts Russ is that he and Russ seem to share something. Perhaps it's the humanity of Russ. But their interactions seem like there is a sort of mutual understanding better than many of the others.
I like to think that if Horus met the other primarchs first like Guillaman or Fulgrim. thing would have turned out more differently
Horus would be more salty meeting Guilliman and his patrician roman Emperor theme
Horus’s pride would’ve crumbled to ash if Sangiunius was found second
Horus when they find Ferrus: "how come I don't get shinny hands?!" *Sun reflects off his bald spott*
Greatness doesnt arise from the present status but from the present vision. The Emperor protects and provides.
For Emperor and Imperium!
The emperor did know the heresy was coming ;), when he said "he's as loyal as you" what he really meant was anyone could turn without actually giving away what he meant.
Fantastic content my man! Looking forward to watching the channel grow
I'd like to hear about his brother's reactions to meeting Sanguinius
sir you tell one hell of a story love the channel and your style keep up the good work
Dude I'm literally going thru your entire Playlist. I don't know why but your accent fits the lore so well. You sound like an orc masquerading as a loyal servant of the emporer btw. 😎
It was an honest and human reaction, to be sure. However, neither Horus nor any other Primarch were/are truly human and that is when the reaction becomes a problem.
Found your channel a few days ago. Its now one of my favourites. Great work please keep them commin
Great work! Loving your content.
Great job man! Love your vids ... keep em coming
You read very well mate, and I love the plainsong in the background too (you have the volume at a nice level) it helps enrich it.
This passage makes me feel for Horus, the effect being around the Emperor has on others is not to be understated, and Horus would stand to lose most of it eventually to his other brothers and to mankind as a whole.
Your channel is like the Tau empire, you just got from 11k to 46k you are growing fast
I have been beige watching your vids love them you and 40k theories need to link up yall are the best
This is a awesome emporer story, love it
I love your channel. Keep up the awesome work
This is a nice channel keep up the good work man. Long as you keep enjoying what you do people will come in time. ;)
Been binging your vids. Love the voice
Nice nice. Really liked this one. your narration was nice to listen to.
Big E: Horus, my boy, meet your brother and his friends
Horus *Somewhat looks forward to this*
Leman and co. *Act like bumbling primitives on an advanced spaceship*
Horus: *Tries very hard to hide his disappointment and whiny thoughts* ... Dad, can we commit genocide on these (Horus, don't say "savages", you know dad is judgy) sword-wielders (Dammit Horus that's not even slightly better, now you just sound like a whiny brat... I loved that rug...)
leman:uh...you good?
horus:uhhhhh(please say no please say no please say no!) y-yeah of course
Creating planet sizes 'experimental' biospheres mimicking the different Terran myths is a perfect way to explain wow the different primarchs became so varied and yet so similar to Terra's legendary figures. And i'm ready to bet it was the chaos gods idea to leave them on these specific worlds
Why would the Emperor have added specific lines of DNA to each Primarch when creating them then, or deleterd entire sections in others, for example Primarch VI (Russ) had wolf DNA added. All Fenrisians have wolf DNA, as the first settlers messed about with gene splicing to survive Fenris' harsh conditions. As Magnus said "There are no wolves on Fenris."
Such a crime that there are no good 40k/30 movies/series
Problem with 40k is deciding who to do the story around.
30k is easier but a solid quarter of the potential market will still have a hissy fit because it's "Bolter Porn".
@@psychedashell Its not bolter porn because it cant be. There is so much happening and limited time and budget that it will have to be mostly people talking. It will have to be more like, say, Babylon 5 in the way it looks. Talking, talking, talking, and a little bit of battle. You try to do something that looks even remotely bolter porn and you run out of time and money.
First we cut out the Khan. He is not in the movie. Flight of the Eisenstein gets half an episode, burning of Prospero is not shown, but Magnus talking psychically is... So we cut out Russ. Russ is not in the movie.
Neither is Corax, we dont need Corax, except at the Dropsite Massacre. Hes going to be a side chatacter.
Hmmmm.... we are going to cut out Big E. Its much more powerful to refer to him than see him, and we cut out the duel with Horus, so we cut out Sanguinius, well, he arrives, he goes to his mission. Horus needs a few episodes just to cover his complex personality... isstvan virus bombing needs to have a full episode. Powerful stuff there, with people reacting to it on both sides.
Lets see, we have limited budget, fully 3D animated, 12 episodes, so we have to squeeze an average of 3 books in 20 minutes each.
But not all books are important, so lets say 2. That means we introduce a new character every 5 minutes, needing 10-15 minutes per person. That includes different chapters as persons too. Emps, no, Malcador will be a storyteller. Yeah, but, new characters need to be introduced before they do something, people dont know who they are?
-What? No! Nono, dont be silly, making a movie this size for WH fans ONLY? Not economically viable, it has to go on public general use. Maximise viewer base.
We also cut slaanesh, because of titties. Fulgrim can worship Nurgle, kiddies love monsters. We can reuse Slimer from Ghostbusters, he can be a mascot for Team Evil.
Oh! Oh!
"Primarch Babies: Friendship is Psychic."
Now THATS the way to go, global markets. Less bolters, more diapers.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 Sounds legit.
3d animation is cheap and nasty though, we need something classy like stop motion animation.
@@psychedashell Stop motion 30K? Huh. I'm trying to imagine Laika-style stop motion with grim-dark 30K superimposed over it. Oddly, that... could... work.
Helsreach, Astartes, The Death of Hope...
I finally know where to start in the lore of 40k thanks to this video.
You may be a small channel, but you are great.
I love your content.
I think Horus was jealous but after meeting more of his brothers he grew to love them all and after fighting along his brothers and along the new legions respected them
This was such a great book front to back!
You say your channel is small…but your quality is as all ways amazing.
I'm always curious if the Emperor was truly a giant in physical stature like the Primarchs, or if he used his psycher abilities to create the illusion.
he is confirmed 15ft tall in several books of old lore so same height as Magnus
but the emperor could simply had made himself taller i mean he was a shape shiftier.
@@michaelkean5969 Wait... WHAT?!? I didn't know he was a shapeshifter. What shapes?
@@shipmate3577
squares, triangles and circles mostly.
@@shipmate3577 Read The Master of Mankind (book 41), as some of the main characters enter the Throne Room and move towards the Doors beneath the Golden Throne (I.e. the Webway Gate) a few of the troops, and the character of that passage in the chapter turn round (even though they were told not to) and they see the Emperor high above and back from the gate, most of them either loose their minds or just stare dumbly because of the power, but the main character sees through the power and illusion that mortal minds conjure up (or the image the Emperor puts in their heads) and all they see is an ordinary man in golden elaborate armour, human sized with black hair (like those very old and first illustrations of the Horus Heresy in the 90s) and exhausted from the effort of holding the power of the Webway Gate in check, with wrinkles appearing and the hair greying, his eyes screwed tight shut with concentration.
He or she (I forget now cos it was a long while ago I read it) is then pushed through the portal in the gate by the Custodian leading them and it breaks the spell the character was under, transfixed on the Emperor as they were.
It's interesting to note that everyone sees what they want to see or what image the Emperor embodies at that moment, like to Magos Arkhan Land (discoverer of the Land Raider STC, called it Land's Raider and was pissed that the Astartes always referred to it as the Land Raider lmao) who saw the Emperor as emotionless, almost like the Machine God, as he was examining Primarch 12 ((Angron) while 'it' was unconscious, contemplating that He couldn't remove the butchers nails from 'it', Land saw the Emperor as Japhetto, and the Primarch's as Pinocchios, creations or experiments that the Emperor used and only pretended were His sons because they called him Father.
Yet each of the Primarchs who speak to the Emperor in parts of other books feel an almost Fatherly warmth and emotion from Him, like a hot sun they want to bask in the radiance of, even as it burns them. Other humans see the Emperor as a god being, or as a terrifying warlord etc. etc. It makes for some great contemplation of the topic, and would make some great books, if Black Library would try and make another about Him, instead of on the Primarchs and just bolter porn.
@@greypilgrim228 Great reply; thank you.
This book is fantastic. It has three of my scenes in all the HH series - the opening chapter, the war council of Malcador, Valdor and four Primarchs, and Malcador and Russ's final meeting.
I think it would have been easier for Horus after Russ. There is the fact that he became best friends with Sanguinius, Dorn and Fulgrim, really didn't have any major rifts with his brothers aside from Corax, and always knew how to get the best out of all of them.
The Emperor is fantastically written in this first part - it plays to the older established lore that he did care about the Primarchs as sons. It's one of the main reasons I hated Master of Mankind, and the new lore that he views the Primarchs as only tools, which *does not* make sense in regard to his duel with Horus.
Tbh that is only 1 book out of how many we've now seen the Emperor appear in, so just put it down to ADB not writing good characters very favourably since he prefers the bad guys, like Khan or Argel Tal.
Then again, it may actually be some very good writing ironically, because it's just one scene out of the whole book, and it's from the perspective of Arkhan Land. A tech priest who believes the Emperor to be the Omnisiah(can't spell it) and then meets the Emperor (who allows you to see what you expect to of him), of course He's going to come off as an emotionless jackass to the Primarchs, seeing them as tools. Arkhan Land even comments it makes sense and is logical.
It's possible at a certain point the emperor knows he has to switch off his emotional feelings for his engineered sons when chaos starts pushing back. He knows some of his sons will turn but not which ones, and even the ones he is certain of the strands of fate end up changing in the end since again chaos is constantly fighting back and changing the future. That and the toll its probably taking towards the end
Being a slowly dying quadriplegic, in constant mind numbing agony on a slowly failing life support system powered by mass human sacrifices, while simultaneously trying to keep a warp rift from opening up on terra, while simultaneously working to keep interstellar travel working at all might have something to do with why the man seems a little dispassionate.
Also worth considering, everything in 40k is canon, not everything is true.
It's all a matter of who's eyes the story is being told through.
@@Cha-Khia Master of Mankind especially. That’s the point of the novel. The Emperor typically reflects what the observer desires and/or expects, or at least that’s what the author has said on the novel.
one of the better voices out of all the lore channels, love this channel and glad i found it
Loved this , probably my third listen hahaha
Love your videos and how you always support the black library very honorable. The emperor would be proud
The channel is still small...well, yeah BUT, as an absolute freak of Warhammer 30/40 k lore I ADORE your channel and I can say for sure that it's gonna be the biggest one yet.We can see your love for that universe because we do love it as well. Personally I've read almost everything out there, and I smile each time you make a comment about the "human" side of a Primarch or The Emperor because I fully agree :) You know what? I'd love if you make a vid about the short story "The Last Church" written by the mighty Graham McNeil. Keep up the good work brother!
By far the best channel for getting 40K lore shoved down your ear holes.
You have to thank the UA-cam Algorithim and pledge aledgiance to chaos for it...
INQUSITOR
Although I disagree with Russ being the best I think I can say this is the best lore channel.
love u too man.
Great channel bro,Subscribed immediately :)
Thanks for the support!
@@wolflordrho keep making great videos like this my friend 🙂
Listening to this for a third time about a year after the first, it seems to me Fenris was built as a test, dressed in the trappings of History.
I don't think the Emperor was sure Russ would survive.
Except he didn't control where the primarchs were scattered
Love the big E excerpts
every audiobook rho listens to is the best one ever according to him.
Old is gold 👍🏻💪🏻
"Brotherly competition is to be encouraged, as it will drive you to GREATER EFFORTS"
Jimmy Space exercising great judgement as usual.
The Emperor seems to have a habit of trusting his most human sons the most.
What book is that story from?
keep up your amazing work.
You should do stuff on Talos of first claw that was insane
Horus is just mad cause he bald.
I agree with your opinion, the seed was laid then and there, great story!
Good one
What about the entity that Russ met in the under verse. You should do a video on the demons that are the primes.
How was this two years ago !!
Sincere question here. What is the song playing in the background?
Mechanicus by the children of the omnissiah
I wonder how pissed someone like horus or or angron were when they see fulgrim or sanguinIcantspellhisname and think "why the fuck didnt the emporer make me good looking like that?!?"
It's Sanguinius. Like a lot of Latin it's largely just written how it sounds, Sang hwin ee uss. Sanguinius (I'll delete this after you correct it, don't worry)
Indeed, why don't they look like that if they all come from the Emperor?
I imagine the scene being like at the beginning of the Hobbit where all the dwarves are feasting in Bilbos house
the background music
After reading "The First Heretic" sadly no, Big E didn't plan the Primarchs to arrive on certain planets.
Note: sorry about the bastardly huge wall of text, but I felt it necessary to defend my beloved Emperor! If it helps I've broken it up into paragraphs.
You have to remember that the whole book 'The First Heretic' is seen through the eyes of the XVII Legion and Lorgar, that the entire time they are told these 'truths' they are told by chaos, which if you hadn't noticed chaos lies, or leaves out certain details when it does tell the truth (e.g. when it shows Horus the Imperium's future in his death vision during 'False Gods', then fails to tell him it only happens if he sides with chaos, and claims it happens if the Emperor becomes a god, and the Emperor will attempt to become one when the Great Crusade is over, casting the Primarchs aside. Two truths and a lie, and missed out information that would expose the whole vision as one big lie.) Corax visits the Imperial Palace during 'Deliverance lost', and discovers huge cloisters, with rooms off them, each courtyard dedicated to a Primarch and his retinue, staff etc. and ponders to himself how different things would have been had the Primarchs grown up on Terra, or if the Crusade had eventually been over and his brothers had not betrayed the Emperor, would these rooms have had a purpose?..
Further on in 'Deliverance Lost' Corax and his Apothecaries are examining equipment and data from the Emperor's experiments to create the Primarchs, all of whom were created from a single female Primarch template (extracted from the Emperor's DNA with several specific strands deleted obviously) and it is remarked upon (I forget by whom, probably one of the apothecaries) that many of the Primarchs have had great amounts of DNA sequence deleted, while others have had specific lines added, for example Primarch VI (i.e. Russ) has had Wolf DNA spliced with it. This would indicate that the Emperor knew full well where the Primarchs would land long before the events of 'The First Heretic', or had a fairly good idea.
And coming back to Horus' death vision, when he visits the Imperial Palace just as the Primarchs' pods are about to fall into the Warp Portal, the Emperor appears and freezes time, looks over at Horus and proclaims "I know you." It seems to show He knows at that moment, or has some understanding that Horus will trigger the heresy, and unfreezes time, allowing the pods to fall into the portal before vanishing as He arrived, leaving Horus screaming "NOOO, FATHER DON'T!!" Then again, it is a vision from Chaos, so who can say how truthful that exact moment is, since it's designed to make Horus believe the Emperor never cared for His sons.
It's also stated in 'A Thousand Sons' that "there are no wolves on Fenris" by Magnus, and that the first settlers to Fenris during the dark age of technology, tried to splice their DNA with many different animals to cope with the conditions of the planet, and all but wolves failed. This may also suggest that other animals on Fenris are related to humans, or their first ancestors were, hence why all animals on Fenris are such savage monsters. No normal humans could survive on Fenris with it's extreme heat in summer and horrendous cold in winter, shown by the Terran Casper Hawser at the beginning of 'Prospero Burns' when he lands on the planet seeking the Space Wolves, and his saviour character 'Bear' who later becomes his Space Wolf chaperone, explains that he'd have been dead had he remained outside the Fang much longer, either because of the cold which kills ordinary humans in hours, or one of Fenris's many predators.
@@greypilgrim228 Fruit for thought, nice info. Since I'm pretty new to 40k, with reading a 3 Horus Hersey books and the dark imperium books. After watching other 40k channels, I noticed each HH book details different perspectives, but I tend to forget the details about Chaos. So far my favorite HH books are: "Master of Mankind", "First Heretic", and "Born of Flame".
Emperor Have Give Horus Everything including the old Book,a Token of His Love,and Horus Betrayed the Emperor Yust Because of Jealousy , What a Shame 😑!!!!.
Its a lot more complex than that
You got beat by a girl. Zannah was a good choice though. Too bad Magnus never popped by to show you sith some real power though.
Not even close. Horus ultimately betrays the emperor for several reasons- being manipulated by chaos in a fevered dream (which he was helpless against, because the emperor never warned any of his sons about chaos), feeling alienated because empy left for terra with no explanation, the manipulations of Erebus, and the plain fact that the emperor lied about his true motivations.
I don’t think he became more jealous for every primarch found and honestly way he’s acting isn’t embarrassing at all I like it cause it makes him more human we need these acts and feelings by the pris and the big E cause the less human they seem the less it makes since for us “humans” to even exist
Sometime the big E and his kids come off so fucking godly they don’t feel human and it takes u outta narrative of the emporium
Seriously the primarchs need to get girlfriends!
I think in previous editions, there was some apocryphal stuff in the lore about Sanguinus having a mortal woman as a lover.
@@Diannalover Woah. Now *that* would make one hell of a fan-fic. ;)
No, we will not have them bow down to emotionally unstable, manipulative beings
@@carloreneeventura8714 incel
They would if there were women of the same level as them. It's hard to love normal women when you are a 3m tall Demi God who can live for milennia. I think The only female in the Galaxy that is capable of being a Primarch's girlfriend is some very powerful Eldari.
I feel like this moment started his turn to chaos
Yep. That was the moment Horus started down a bad road. Interesting.
big e:huh...
leman:aha ya bloody bastard good to see ya! your one wolfing man for sure,so i have a brother?
big e:20,but im working on finding them
leman:huh. neat
The writing is amazing
What are the top 10 WH40k books you'd recommend to someone who likes the setting but doesn't play any more?
(I looked up wolfsbane, but it was book 49 in the horus heresy series... not looking to read 48 books right now :P )
Read first 3 Horus rising false gods and galaxy in flame's then just read the rest in any order more or less.
As Conan stated, the first 3, Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames. I'd recommend too book 4, Flight of the Eisenstein as certain events in later books will make a lot more sense if you do, but it's pretty much optional. Edit, sorry, I know you wanted a top 10, but how the fuck do you select 10 from a list of 51 brilliant books? I managed to get it down to 18 books, if you don't include the first 3 in the Heresy.
After that You can jump and flip as you like, although some of the classics for me were: 14.The First Heretic(Word Bearers), 18.Deliverance Lost(Raven Guard), 41.The Master of Mankind, 5.Fulgrim(Emperor's Children), 7.Legion(Alpha Legion), 28.Scars and it's sister novel 36.The Path of Heaven(White Scars), 19.Know No Fear and it's sister novels 24.Betrayer and 27.The Unremembered Empire(Ultramarines) although somethings in Unremembered Empire may require you to read 26.Vulkan Lives(Salamanders), 21.Fear to Tread(Blood Angels) and several Dark Angels ones & short stories too to understand the Lion's part in Unremembered Empire, too many though to list here as stand alone books. Frankly the Dark Angels have had way too much story telling in the Heresy already, and very little happened in all of them.
Others too you might like, but may take time to get going, are 39.Praetorian of Dorn(Imperial Fists and Alpha Legion), 23.Angel Exterminatus and it's sister novel 45.Tallarn(Iron Warriors), 35.Eye of Terra, 37.The Silent War, 25.Mark of Calth(Ultramarines).
Wasnt Alpharius/Omegon the 1st Primarch descovered by Horus?
In the mean time Alphatius was serving dinner at the table grinning at Horus naivity
I miss my Brothers.
Is Russ one of the shorter Primarchs?
There is a list order of rediscovery for the Primarcs
Hear ye! Hear ye!
It's all Horus hearsay I tell you!
I thought 2 and 11 were the purged and forgotten ??
A thought -well I think the third primarch and his legion were made with support and flexibility in mind and that Russ is sworn to secrecy by the emperor on their whereabouts and mission because it either has to do with the tyranids or a way to actually kill the emperor
The space wolves will always be my favorite
I believe that the seed if heresy was planted in Horus by the treatment of the unknown primarchs by Malcador amd the Emperor. He realizet than thay they are only tools
I do like the glimpses of the emperor like this. In spite of his flaws he really did love his sons and humanity as best he knew how. As a powerful brilliant and flawed person.
I am a devout loyalist of the ultras but i thoroughly enjoy these readings of other marine bretheren storys during the dark heresy.
Ave Brother, (makes the sign of the Aquila) Chapter & Company designation? I myself am 3rd Centurion of 4th Company, 1st Chapter.
You should go on Adeptus Podcastus with Rem and Michael.
Is it real emotion from the Emperor though? Or is it just placation?
When the Luna Wolf is suprised that there are other wolves amongst the stars.
I wonder how Horus would react upon learning that Alpharius-who-became- Omegon was truly first .
for the algo. keep up the great work
Horus: I'm the first.
Alpharius: Bitch please...
What I really pull from this entire scene is that The Emperor does very, very, very much love his sons. He is their father and has the same love for his sons as a father would (the only reason why killing Horus wasn't done with but a simple swing of his sword) and seeks for them to love each other like brothers. Not battle brothers, but brothers. He clearly wants them to be a family.. but he knows the responsibility that will be put on each and every one of them and cannot dote on them as he would. Also it would seem strange, given they are all generally battle hardened spirits despite being but teenagers in some cases.
It's a shame The Emperor is so incapable of doing the same in 40k as he was in 30k.. probably a result of permanent fixture on the Golden Throne and mental fatigue. Ready to pass on, or at least being reborn so he can once more experience proper sleep and respite. However before he can, every son that is still loyal (even some that outwardly appear not to be) needs to be gathered and the Empire maintained. No room for doting on your sons then. No time. The Emperor is truly human and I love how it shines through here.
I know this was a year ago but just thinking, the emperor definitely didn’t love all his sons. For example, he totally agitated and neglected both lorgar and angron.