Its not just him, its any WEF controlled politician who will impemenet exactly the same policies. LIBLABCON are all the same party. Reform or an independent for me as long as they arent controlled they will do.
EVERYONE who receives an NIP for doing 24 in a 20 zone should choose to have their day in court instead of just accepting the fine and the points. No, we might not win, but if everyone chooses to go to court it will back up the court system for years!
You all miss the end goal of these people. They don't want you in your car at all. They quite happily publish that their ultimate aim is ZERO private car ownership.
And home ownership as well And cashless Just credits turned off if you complain Visited Zip world cashless Two reasons I won't be visiting Wales cashless 20mph 😢
I think this is the case but the problem is that there isn't public transport infrastructure that would enable people to get to work and a lot of homes won't be suitable for parking EV,s.Someone hasn't thought this plan through fully.
But, they don't seem to realise, that when we finally give up the fight and give up ownership, they will hsve no way of generating the necessary tax reveue that the car does, and the government and all e car manufacturerswill collapse.
We people want to be safer and want 20mph limits in our streets AND WE WILL GET WHAT WE WANT IN OUR STREETS, NOT WHAT YOU WANT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE PASSING THROUGH.
I was so paranoid about not going over 20mph yesterday that I spent most of the time watching my speed and not watching the road. Surely this will eventually lead to more, not less, deaths.
@@Zaranathax Not so much. After over 35 years of driving - mostly at 30 mph - I kind of instinctively knew how to judge 30 mph pretty accurately. When you first pass your test I think you do look at your speed more but, as humans, our judgement becomes semi-automatic over time. Don't you find that?
Living in a Welsh city, allow me to clarify what's happening. The answer is complete chaos. SOME roads are now 20mph, whilst other exact same roads, with no discernible difference, remain at 30mph. Lots of suburban streets remain at 30mph. It's all just randomly changed with no logic whatsoever. Also, 99% of motorists are taking zero notice of any changes anyway.
I got overtaken by a frustrated motorist today I was doing 20 , he did what he liked and swerved in front of me. It's getting people pretty angry and I'm using up more petrol. How can that be good.
@billfromgermany That's not how car engines work. The slower you go, the lower the gear you need to be in, and the lower the gear, the higher the revs. The higher the revs, the more petrol you use. You'll use up far, far, far more petrol doing 20mph in second gear than you would at 60mph in fifth gear.
The problem with a 20mph zone is that your average idiot wouldnt actually drive at 20mph they will drive at 15mph and will also not be aware of when they leave the 20 zone❤ its just insane, im all for it outside of schools, hospitals and so on but a blanket 20 is just going too far
I was on a preplanned trip last Sunday. the trip passed through a lot of 20 areas, most doing 10-15 mph, this has been caused by some officials saying that 1 mph over the limit will get fined, so in essence the government have altered the speed limit from 30 to 12.
@@johnlightfoot9967 I said all along that a sign for 20 in reality is 15.... I haven't drive since it came in and have totally gone off driving. It used to be freedom but now it's slavery.
It’s an excuse to put even MORE cameras up! Just the main roads isn’t enough is it, they have to intrude even further. Soon you won’t be able walk, talk never mind drive without being watched. It’s a vile intrusion on our human rights.
@@Zaranathax and a camera to fine you if you break seeing a speed camera,,coming to wales soon......electric cars is a reason why 20mph they sare 2x heaver and cannot stop as easy at 30mph
As if a 20 MPH limit will put a stop to all the nutters that drive their cars round the streets at stupidly fast speeds the ones that cause the most accidents, they're going to totally ignore it, As they have done with the 30 MPH limit.
Hi nutter here, well now, let us say that we should in view of your opinion, banish ourselves to the furthermost regions of hell, or at least the nearest waste ground amid the idea that speed kills, shocker! I always thought it was the sudden stopping, which did the damage but hey ho.
Not necessarily. As you point out, there are many road that are already 20mph. But many routes only have just the one main route along the bottom of each valley, and it only takes one driver to stick to the 20mph speed limit for all the cars following to have to drive at 20 too. Once people get used to it, things will be fine.
Why don't you go to Africa where the minority that lives there are people with college education, by the people that gets here by boat that you say they're all doctors and rocket scientist, and impose this law there, I'm sure they are all good drivers and obey the speed limit!! They will be more comprehensive!!! Go there, live the UK, we are all lost, without any chance of changing!!!
I refuse to give dickford any money. Its pathetic, To get to my local town, I can't get my car out of second gear. Who do I sue for the damage to my car?
@@VoiceOfThe you have not figured out that this is being coordinated worldwide? there is nowhere to go, it is all being planned at the global level, most governments take their orders from the WEF.
Where I am in South Wales there is now a stretch of road that has 20mph gateway signs but 30mph painted all over the road every few hundred yards. Bonkers.
4.6 Billion, when we have to keep going to England for hospital treatment or spend the best part of a day getting to Welsh hospitals. Can we please have a new hospital in mid Wales instead? 🏴
Well they did a survey on 1000 people and 50% so called agreed with it so how many people live in Wales ? only 1000 people we been taking for fool again .
@@richardbanks461 Please don’t be provocative, you know this is different. 2 mph over 20 on a motorcycle will get you nicked, stick to the limit and you have lorries tailgating you, its very scary.
if you hit someone at 30mph they're five times more likely to die than if you hit them at 20mph. if you don't know what speed you're travelling at, you really shouldn't be allowed to drive
I've noticed that in our local 20mph zone that more pedestrians walk out or cross in front of you, more cars pull out in front of you (as it takes traffic 33% longer to pass in a 20 and they have no patience), there's more pollution (as you're in the zone 33% longer and in a higher gear)... Who decided that all this is a GOOD thing to happen?!?!?
They did a survey of 1000 people and 600 of them thought 20mph was a good idea.... Wales has a population of 3.2 million. So 600 have decided their fate.
and they didnt ask anything about a 20mph speed limit everywhere, the company that did the survey asked thinks like, would you rather be knocked down at 20 or 30mph? there is also a suspicion that the people asked were on foot in city centres and many did not even own a car!!!!
They are. When I drove through a 20 mph camera watched area it was a case of watching speedo, speedo, speedo, road, speedo, speedo, speedo, road. I even commented to my partner that if a child ran out, I would not even see them because I was watching the speedo and I was doing 18.9 mph so as to ensure that I was under the limit and not fined.
First you could set your sat nav to audibly warn you if you have strayed over limit but if you really can't maintain a consistant speed without constant reference to the speedo perhaps you should lay off driving
We are going mad in Britain. They did this 20 idiocy in London and its chaos! 'Speed tickets' galore and people driving everywhere at 15 mph. Complete idiocy. Only in bonkers mad 2023 Britain
This will increase the noxious engine gases not decrease them, at 20mph the engine does not burn efficiently so there for pollution increases and mix that with traffic building up at junctions and traffic lights.
I am in no way for this 20mph BS, it has caused chaos already! But I dont see why people think this, in the right gear the engine will be revving at the same speed at 20 as it would at 56 plus theres less drag so probably does save fuel. Pollution still increases though as journeys take longer
I take it you do not drive much then as at 20 in 2nd gear in most cars it's on the limit to change into 3rd so about 2000 revs and if you put the car in 3rd at 20 the engine is near to bogging down and close to stalling which is stressing the engine whether your in 2nd or 3rd which is also burning more fuel as the engine is not running in an optimal zone in both gears, At 20mph consistanly it's a completely bad scenario as cars are not designed to do 20 mph consistantly for prolonged periods, Your also not taking into account journey time as your journey at 20 mph is nearly 3x longer on the clock compared to your 56 mph journey. @@geepersoilyrag1884
@@celtshaun1427 Willing to bet Ive driven more miles, in more different cars than most people in this comments section. I literally said at the end of my comment that the journey took longer, hence actually creating more pollution. Like I said, I despise this 20mph thing! But it isnt going to put much more wear on your engine or running gear.
i doubt that will happen , but expect them to be replaced by very very low powered electric cars that have same power of milk float. Hence the early conditioning of the roads.
Well we had the most superb hol in Wales this year,sadly my car cant go up a hill below 20 without it straining my engine so Wales will not be getting my money as a visitor again. I'm heartbroken to say this.
Delivery drivers are struggling with the 20mph in wales, always looking at the speedo worried about going over the limit and at the same time trying to be safe drivers and get their deliveries done in good time - this will ivariably lead to driver fatigue and weaken their driving ability. Very BAD situation!! Oh and people driving automatics are struggle because their car wants to change up a gear but then wants to change down and then up and so on while trying to drive at or around 20mph - the whole thing is a total shambles brought in by a shambolick government. People don't know if they should be doing 20 or 30 on many roads and it is so so so easy to go over 20 it's a complete nightmare. even cyclist are compaining about trucks that seem to be lingering alongside them scaring them.
In Wales we have 50mph on large dual carriageways to reduce pollution. The stupidity hurts. Slowing vehicles makes it bunch and produces excessive pollution
That'll be reduced to 40mph, then 30mph, with these goons. No reason or logic to this but to frustrate. They want us to ultimately surrender ownership and right to convey as we please. Driving is not a privilege but a right, those who say otherwise should remember was being "allowed" out to walk/exercise for an hour a "privilege" during the lockdowns? Didn't think so.
@@Sh4un1r1k they have already put 50 on the north Wales expressway turning it into a nonexpress way, creating dangerous congestion. They say it's because pollution kills. If that's true they are killing more people
I live close to Wales, and often go there for a day out. But not anymore. Their road system is already stone age and it takes ages to get anywhere. It'll be even worse now.
So can anyone answer me this… if you cover a 60 Mile journey in 1 hour or the same journey in 3 hours (20 mile ph) which had the most detrimental affect ? In these 2 journeys which costs the most in fuel and therefore in respect of lorries which adds the biggest cost to deliveries ?
the most detrimental for fuel use would be the 3 hour at 20 mph, fuel efficiency sweet spot is achieved at about 55 mph for a modern card, efficiency declines at slower and higher speeds than this.
What will the impact be on the pollution?!! All those people driving around at 20mph, taking double or triple the time to get to their destination, got to have an impact on the emissions dispersed into the atmosphere!!
20 mph is moronic, also nopw we have morons doing 30mph in 30mph areas!!! road rage will rule! this does not help the environment or accidents, just pure hatred of cars and the need for complete control of the people ! Should have spent the millions on the NHS !!!
Where I live we got the left side goin uphill 30mph and the downside 20mph,how does that work lol,already been 4 crashes and loads of road rage on the same road,I love it lol
WAW this guy really is talking sense, that Drakeford is a complete idiot and should be treated accordingly, get rid of those mad politicians with pointless stupid ideas , I am glad the signs are getting vandalised
So every time you enter a 20mph speed restriction drive at 10mph and cause total gridlock in the Towns ! never could work out how driving so slow in 2nd or 3rd gear creates less pollution ?
It doesn't. As I understand it, this was sold on the premise of children surviving a 20mph collision but not a 30mph one. More could be hurt from the exposure to NOX emissions than impacts.
As soon as you get a number plate it gives the government free range to tax you fine you and prosecute you in order to raise money while cyclists,deliveroos,electric bikes,scooters,evs,etc drive about on roads that we pay for.well done uk government.also the government are enforcers for greedy insurance companies.
We,ve had to live with urban speed limits of 20kmh here in France ,really confusing as it's not in every town or urban area. The most worrying point for me is when traversing these areas your attention is on the speedometer,,,, not the road !!. Unfortunately new cars are just to smooth and fast to regulate without constant speedometer attention to keep at 20mph/kmh.
It is not pollution-neutral. 20mph is more polluting because a traditional car engine races faster in the lower gears. Cars are not designed to travel distances in the lower gears. Since the traffic will pass slower over road lengths there will be more congestion. This will also result in more pollution because more cars will be waiting at junctions for a space to get out and more cars will be at a standstill coming off main roads and waiting for the traffic to move on. This will be the best raw material for comedy sketches in a long while.
I was so busy looking at my speedometer that I managed to run over 5 people two dogs and a cyclist, then I crashed into the Indian takeaway so I ordered a Murgh Kari and some Poppadoms.
I have just dropped my granddaughter off at school. We both walked. I would like to 'educate' Drakeford regarding reality. Loads of cars parked along two sides of the road outside school meaning you take a chance walking through the gap between vehicles to cross over. Numerous buses and mini buses dropping kids off. The uphill approach road to the school featured cars not doing 20, not even 30, more like 40. Instead our leader's idea is to impose this 20 mph on roads that rarely see a child anywhere near them. Then again they are in areas which can give him the most revenue from fines . The Senedd is full of know it alls who actually know very little. To my friends in England, vote Labour at your peril.
I was driving yesterday with my speed set at 18mph. Within a few minutes, I had road rage from the car behind me. 20mph will not stop bad driving 😢 this absolute madness and a waste of money to the Welsh tax payer.
Worth pointing out that although the perception is that Wales is largely rural, we do have fewer roads; and those roads can be heavily congested, especially in the valleys of South Wales, where there is often one road in the bottom of each valley, running through a series of towns and villages that nestle in the valley bottom.
The less people do the more the government will put on them, so the fact that people are to casual and cowardly to fight back gives the ok for the government take more freedom from the people
I'll be interested to see the impact on companies. Mathematics was never my strongest subject. However, if a multidrop delivery driver was able to 100 packages yesterday, it must stand to reason they will have a 33% reduction in productivity in those 20mph zones. Which would mean, today they might only be able to deliver 67 packages. Who's going to deliver/make up the shortfall? Many have said that efficiency of an engine is reduced, so where is the additional cost going? The consumer I'd guess.
its to keep us from moving around how many people would want to go out for the day when it take an hour to do twenty mile thats if you keep that speed up all the way which can not happen. your trip to the sea side will be just that, by the time you get there you will have to set of back. what a joke. its up to us to fight back
Police have already said they won’t be fining or prosecuting any stopped drivers, just “having a word”. Only thing to watch for is getting caught by speed cameras.
The main thing i noticed was that i ended up in 20 to 30 car covoys all driving much closer than before.😮, and I was only visiting, definitely a change from Saturday to Sunday.
Money hunger demons! First the charging for plastic Bags, tax rises the obsession with building student homes which go empty half the year! Now speeding tickets fines! Wales going to lose alot of tourists income
I have a new car with cruise control but it will not work on ordinary roads except motorways or dual carriageways, also as soon as you touch your brake you have to set it again.
There will be more accidents on the open road because of people having to put their foot down more to catch up on time that was lost going 20mph through villages, towns & cities
I absolutely see the sense of 20 mile limit on residential streets and near schools (during school hours only) but having to do 20 on a main road will be so frustrating and annoy the hell out of most drivers.
The VAST Majority of Cars are designed to cruise in 4th Gear at 30MPH. 20 MPH is a 3rd Gear and will comsume petrol and create stress to the driver. Expect more Road Rage.
10% + 1 is wrong @ 3:40 , its actually still 10% + 2mph as confirmed by 95 % of the police forces. Don't know where he is getting that from. Is Wales 10% +1mph, I didn't think it was different to England?
Can a speedometer read 20 mph accurately enough? A wheel fitted with over aspect tyres like winter tyres could be going at 30 but the speedo would read 20. In Older vehicles which I have driven the speedo needle didn’t even lift off the stop until 15 mph.
It's complete BS, it is already causing havoc on the roads!! Get Dickford out!!
Its not just him, its any WEF controlled politician who will impemenet exactly the same policies. LIBLABCON are all the same party. Reform or an independent for me as long as they arent controlled they will do.
I second that .
With each passing month, the people in positions of power, show just how much they are detached from the population of this country.
Its deliberate. WEF controlled, vote for the LIBLABCON party and get more of the same. Reform or an independent for me.
Octopusman9969 drakeford has been detached from reality since berth he should have been put down then.
Come the next elections both local and general there will be much employment …particularly among our politicians.
@@georgemorrison9280 or unemployment due to lost seats.
@@geraldandrew3289 …that’s what I meant .
Bye Bye Wales economy !
Whoops... where did all the tourists go?
Having driven for 57 years now (NO accidents, good driver), I now spend practically more time looking at my speedometer than I do the road.......
Likewise nearly 60 years driving - clean licence to date
EVERYONE who receives an NIP for doing 24 in a 20 zone should choose to have their day in court instead of just accepting the fine and the points. No, we might not win, but if everyone chooses to go to court it will back up the court system for years!
Hear hear
They are already years behind so your right.
agreed flood the system. Sadly most of the population will not have the balls.
Good point !
Well said . Definitely
You all miss the end goal of these people. They don't want you in your car at all. They quite happily publish that their ultimate aim is ZERO private car ownership.
And home ownership as well And cashless Just credits turned off if you complain Visited Zip world cashless Two reasons I won't be visiting Wales cashless 20mph 😢
I think this is the case but the problem is that there isn't public transport infrastructure that would enable people to get to work and a lot of homes won't be suitable for parking EV,s.Someone hasn't thought this plan through fully.
Spot on
Most people don't miss the end goal at all. We can comment on each phase while still being aware of what the aim is.
But, they don't seem to realise, that when we finally give up the fight and give up ownership, they will hsve no way of generating the necessary tax reveue that the car does, and the government and all e car manufacturerswill collapse.
Really happy they’re having a battle on their hands and I hope we the people win.
We people want to be safer and want 20mph limits in our streets AND WE WILL GET WHAT WE WANT IN OUR STREETS, NOT WHAT YOU WANT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE PASSING THROUGH.
You don't speak for me....grinding the country to a halt is one way of getting themselves out of Government next year. Hope you'll be satisfied then.
@@fitnessisgood4u you exagerrate.. there is not much difference in travel time
I was so paranoid about not going over 20mph yesterday that I spent most of the time watching my speed and not watching the road. Surely this will eventually lead to more, not less, deaths.
So you didn't bother watching you speed when the limit was 30?
@@Zaranathax Not so much. After over 35 years of driving - mostly at 30 mph - I kind of instinctively knew how to judge 30 mph pretty accurately. When you first pass your test I think you do look at your speed more but, as humans, our judgement becomes semi-automatic over time. Don't you find that?
Its more to do with the engine of a car, it is not designed to drive at 20mpr
I’m in Wales 🏴 and not many people are adhering to to 20mph imposed by the Kim Jom Drakeford Regime.
Yes but it only takes one to do 20 then you’ve got a queue of traffic that looks like the funeral procession for the queen
Living in a Welsh city, allow me to clarify what's happening.
The answer is complete chaos. SOME roads are now 20mph, whilst other exact same roads, with no discernible difference, remain at 30mph. Lots of suburban streets remain at 30mph. It's all just randomly changed with no logic whatsoever.
Also, 99% of motorists are taking zero notice of any changes anyway.
Yeah I live 10mins from the centre of Cardiff, it’s insanity, no one has a clue. I’m constantly watching my speed , not the road, it’s insanity
I got overtaken by a frustrated motorist today I was doing 20 , he did what he liked and swerved in front of me. It's getting people pretty angry and I'm using up more petrol. How can that be good.
@@flowerpower7389If you‘re driving slower, you are using less petrol.
Those who don’t take notice can enjoy their fine then. Simple
@billfromgermany That's not how car engines work. The slower you go, the lower the gear you need to be in, and the lower the gear, the higher the revs. The higher the revs, the more petrol you use. You'll use up far, far, far more petrol doing 20mph in second gear than you would at 60mph in fifth gear.
The problem with a 20mph zone is that your average idiot wouldnt actually drive at 20mph they will drive at 15mph and will also not be aware of when they leave the 20 zone❤ its just insane, im all for it outside of schools, hospitals and so on but a blanket 20 is just going too far
No not an idiot. The idiot is the one insisting on 20mph and the drivers can't afford a fine.
Oh ill be driving about 8mph on purpose. Just to piss everyone off until they get so angry they rebel!!!!
I was on a preplanned trip last Sunday. the trip passed through a lot of 20 areas, most doing 10-15 mph, this has been caused by some officials saying that 1 mph over the limit will get fined, so in essence the government have altered the speed limit from 30 to 12.
Good point 👍
@@johnlightfoot9967 I said all along that a sign for 20 in reality is 15.... I haven't drive since it came in and have totally gone off driving. It used to be freedom but now it's slavery.
Driving home from work at 20 mph! A sheep ran past me doing at least 25 mph! What is Drakeford going to do about speeding sheep?
It’s an excuse to put even MORE cameras up! Just the main roads isn’t enough is it, they have to intrude even further. Soon you won’t be able walk, talk never mind drive without being watched. It’s a vile intrusion on our human rights.
More cameras, really? They have changed the speed limit not introduced new ones.
@@Zaranathax and a camera to fine you if you break seeing a speed camera,,coming to wales soon......electric cars is a reason why 20mph they sare 2x heaver and cannot stop as easy at 30mph
@@minstrelofMir If only I knew what you meant.
I'm thrilled to see them engage in a fierce battle! 💪🤩 It's my hope that we, the people, come out victorious in the end. 🙌🏆
I can see the blade runners sorting this out for us
As if a 20 MPH limit will put a stop to all the nutters that drive their cars round the streets at stupidly fast speeds the ones that cause the most accidents, they're going to totally ignore it, As they have done with the 30 MPH limit.
Hi nutter here, well now, let us say that we should in view of your opinion, banish ourselves to the furthermost regions of hell, or at least the nearest waste ground amid the idea that speed kills, shocker! I always thought it was the sudden stopping, which did the damage but hey ho.
Not necessarily. As you point out, there are many road that are already 20mph. But many routes only have just the one main route along the bottom of each valley, and it only takes one driver to stick to the 20mph speed limit for all the cars following to have to drive at 20 too.
Once people get used to it, things will be fine.
slow drivers cause way more accidents. need to raise the limits grandad mf
Why don't you go to Africa where the minority that lives there are people with college education, by the people that gets here by boat that you say they're all doctors and rocket scientist, and impose this law there, I'm sure they are all good drivers and obey the speed limit!! They will be more comprehensive!!! Go there, live the UK, we are all lost, without any chance of changing!!!
I refuse to give dickford any money. Its pathetic, To get to my local town, I can't get my car out of second gear. Who do I sue for the damage to my car?
Between ULEZ and 20mph speed limits its a win for the WEF 15 minute Cities and virtual lockdown again.
It’s all coming. Leave the U.K. if you can. I did two years ago. Thankfully.
Tin foil hat
@@VoiceOfThe you have not figured out that this is being coordinated worldwide? there is nowhere to go, it is all being planned at the global level, most governments take their orders from the WEF.
Oh more is to come in 2024.....The new strain of COVID....you heard it here first.
It's so funny seeing it all break down right in front of us.
Yeah, hilarious ... hope you get purged.
@@hieroglyph321 Not before you thats for certain.
Where I am in South Wales there is now a stretch of road that has 20mph gateway signs but 30mph painted all over the road every few hundred yards. Bonkers.
4.6 Billion, when we have to keep going to England for hospital treatment or spend the best part of a day getting to Welsh hospitals. Can we please have a new hospital in mid Wales instead? 🏴
Petition against 20mph limit on Welsh Government site has received north of 80k signatures in circa 12 hours. No support for this !
Where do you find this petition, please?
Well they did a survey on 1000 people and 50% so called agreed with it so how many people live in Wales ? only 1000 people we been taking for fool again .
That will be ignored jus like all the others, we get nowhere with petitions. Vote for WEF and get WEF.
The petition is now around 330k signatures and still rising.
Over 350k
Reduce fatalities, how, by staring at the speedometer? BS. More control. Inch by inch.
Don’t you check your Speedo then?
@@richardbanks461 Please don’t be provocative, you know this is different. 2 mph over 20 on a motorcycle will get you nicked, stick to the limit and you have lorries tailgating you, its very scary.
@@Ukmongoose3cope Welsh muppet
if you hit someone at 30mph they're five times more likely to die than if you hit them at 20mph.
if you don't know what speed you're travelling at, you really shouldn't be allowed to drive
@@foxbor0 "if". Bore off.
A deeply cruel experiment for the Welsh population.
If the police are ever behind you drive at 10mph to be sure.
When was the last time you saw the police?
I've noticed that in our local 20mph zone that more pedestrians walk out or cross in front of you, more cars pull out in front of you (as it takes traffic 33% longer to pass in a 20 and they have no patience), there's more pollution (as you're in the zone 33% longer and in a higher gear)... Who decided that all this is a GOOD thing to happen?!?!?
It's good for the fuel duty there raking in
@@henrybull9586 they're
They aren't called the loony left for nothing!
A bunch of privately educated idealists with no connection to reality is who.
Spot on
They did a survey of 1000 people and 600 of them thought 20mph was a good idea.... Wales has a population of 3.2 million.
So 600 have decided their fate.
Maths isn’t your strong point lmao 1.92 million decided by your statistics, not. 600. Job centre clown
like brexit
and they didnt ask anything about a 20mph speed limit everywhere, the company that did the survey asked thinks like, would you rather be knocked down at 20 or 30mph? there is also a suspicion that the people asked were on foot in city centres and many did not even own a car!!!!
They are. When I drove through a 20 mph camera watched area it was a case of watching speedo, speedo, speedo, road, speedo, speedo, speedo, road. I even commented to my partner that if a child ran out, I would not even see them because I was watching the speedo and I was doing 18.9 mph so as to ensure that I was under the limit and not fined.
How do you check your speed in a 30, or any other zone?
Maybe you shouldn't be driving if you can't check your speed at the same time
First you could set your sat nav to audibly warn you if you have strayed over limit but if you really can't maintain a consistant speed without constant reference to the speedo perhaps you should lay off driving
We are going mad in Britain. They did this 20 idiocy in London and its chaos! 'Speed tickets' galore and people driving everywhere at 15 mph.
Complete idiocy. Only in bonkers mad 2023 Britain
This will increase the noxious engine gases not decrease them, at 20mph the engine does not burn efficiently so there for pollution increases and mix that with traffic building up at junctions and traffic lights.
I am in no way for this 20mph BS, it has caused chaos already! But I dont see why people think this, in the right gear the engine will be revving at the same speed at 20 as it would at 56 plus theres less drag so probably does save fuel. Pollution still increases though as journeys take longer
Depends what gearing you have but most likely you will be in 2nd gear with the revs higher than they would be if you were in 3rd at 30.
I take it you do not drive much then as at 20 in 2nd gear in most cars it's on the limit to change into 3rd so about 2000 revs and if you put the car in 3rd at 20 the engine is near to bogging down and close to stalling which is stressing the engine whether your in 2nd or 3rd which is also burning more fuel as the engine is not running in an optimal zone in both gears, At 20mph consistanly it's a completely bad scenario as cars are not designed to do 20 mph consistantly for prolonged periods, Your also not taking into account journey time as your journey at 20 mph is nearly 3x longer on the clock compared to your 56 mph journey. @@geepersoilyrag1884
@@celtshaun1427 not in my cars, its 1st in some of them tbh
@@celtshaun1427 Willing to bet Ive driven more miles, in more different cars than most people in this comments section. I literally said at the end of my comment that the journey took longer, hence actually creating more pollution. Like I said, I despise this 20mph thing! But it isnt going to put much more wear on your engine or running gear.
Wave bye bye to your tourist industry you will be much poorer with this idiotic scheme
My trip to Glamorgan cancelled now.
Don’t worry folks, it won’t be for long………you simply won’t be allowed to drive a car…………at all.
i doubt that will happen , but expect them to be replaced by very very low powered electric cars that have same power of milk float. Hence the early conditioning of the roads.
This is going to cost business a fortune in extra time taken travelling
Tourists will boycott this is ridiculous
yep.. i cancelled a Christmas break over this.. im not risking my licence and damaging my car because most modern cars struggle to stay at 20mph
@@Migman2020It takes more concentration to keep the car at that speed too. Increasing fatigue.
@MyMccarron:
You need no tourists with 15 minute cities
Forget about Tourists, I won't bother visiting Wales again
Well we had the most superb hol in Wales this year,sadly my car cant go up a hill below 20 without it straining my engine so Wales will not be getting my money as a visitor again. I'm heartbroken to say this.
Delivery drivers are struggling with the 20mph in wales, always looking at the speedo worried about going over the limit and at the same time trying to be safe drivers and get their deliveries done in good time - this will ivariably lead to driver fatigue and weaken their driving ability. Very BAD situation!! Oh and people driving automatics are struggle because their car wants to change up a gear but then wants to change down and then up and so on while trying to drive at or around 20mph - the whole thing is a total shambles brought in by a shambolick government. People don't know if they should be doing 20 or 30 on many roads and it is so so so easy to go over 20 it's a complete nightmare. even cyclist are compaining about trucks that seem to be lingering alongside them scaring them.
Watching the speed of the car your driving along with watching out for cyclists that are riding faster than the cars is unnerving.
If you cant manage a vehicle at 30 you shouldn't be driving These dictators were not voted in for this kind of governing Kick them out
In Wales we have 50mph on large dual carriageways to reduce pollution. The stupidity hurts. Slowing vehicles makes it bunch and produces excessive pollution
That'll be reduced to 40mph, then 30mph, with these goons. No reason or logic to this but to frustrate. They want us to ultimately surrender ownership and right to convey as we please. Driving is not a privilege but a right, those who say otherwise should remember was being "allowed" out to walk/exercise for an hour a "privilege" during the lockdowns? Didn't think so.
@@Sh4un1r1k they have already put 50 on the north Wales expressway turning it into a nonexpress way, creating dangerous congestion. They say it's because pollution kills. If that's true they are killing more people
This could possibly ruin the Welsh tourist industry, I love wales, but I won't go back untill this money grabbing scheme is removed.
I live close to Wales, and often go there for a day out.
But not anymore.
Their road system is already stone age and it takes ages to get anywhere. It'll be even worse now.
If fines pay for road infrastructure, what’s car tax for?
Spending 🤷🏻♂️
@@kevindarkstar 😂😂👍🏾
Eventually you’ll be paying per mile when EV are rolled out.
@@VoiceOfThe 😂👍🏾
tories
So can anyone answer me this… if you cover a 60 Mile journey in 1 hour or the same journey in 3 hours (20 mile ph) which had the most detrimental affect ? In these 2 journeys which costs the most in fuel and therefore in respect of lorries which adds the biggest cost to deliveries ?
What U Said Sunshine 🌞 what you said my love 😘❤️🙏
I don’t think you really understand what is happening.
@@ECECECECEC probably why I was asking the question - any ideas
the most detrimental for fuel use would be the 3 hour at 20 mph, fuel efficiency sweet spot is achieved at about 55 mph for a modern card, efficiency declines at slower and higher speeds than this.
What will the impact be on the pollution?!! All those people driving around at 20mph, taking double or triple the time to get to their destination, got to have an impact on the emissions dispersed into the atmosphere!!
Just avoid Wales, plenty of other parts of the Uk to visit.
20 mph is moronic, also nopw we have morons doing 30mph in 30mph areas!!! road rage will rule! this does not help the environment or accidents, just pure hatred of cars and the need for complete control of the people ! Should have spent the millions on the NHS !!!
Where’s our Welsh blade runners cutting down signs.
Hahaha, from national speed limit to 20mph in Wales on and off. Defo gonna catch people out. Cash grab if I've ever seen one.
To much time worrying about the speedometer rather than looking out for people. It's dangerous.
That's holidaying in Wales out !!!
Another way for them to increase ticketing and profits, while inhibiting the general public
Only 1000 "people" across Wales were "consulted" via a "survey".
Now this only equates to 0.03% of the Welsh 3.1million population.
Not fair is it?
Consultation has become the favourite loophole now used by politicians who want to push agendas through that they know nobody wants or would vote for.
Yes and only 60% voted for it so 600 people in 3.2 million god help us if starmer gets in
Where I live we got the left side goin uphill 30mph and the downside 20mph,how does that work lol,already been 4 crashes and loads of road rage on the same road,I love it lol
Without cameras drivers will overtake people trying to comply to the speed limit, how is that going to be safer?
Do not overtake peeps to many cars have dash cams with dobby drivers just waiting to call plod with the evidence.
E bikes will be overtaking you
most cars are not designed to travel at 20mph constantly
Speed limit goes down,
Exhaust emissions go UP because everyone is in a lower gear.
Brilliant!!
Welcome to the Cymru Soviet Socialist Republic.
Might go to wales just so I can overtake everyone on my bicycle
It will ruin the holiday hospitality business in Wales. People will be deterred from visiting encase they get a ticket.
WAW this guy really is talking sense, that Drakeford is a complete idiot and should be treated accordingly, get rid of those mad politicians with pointless stupid ideas , I am glad the signs are getting vandalised
Save lives.
Ffs it's like covid all over again.
What we going to do next, clap for the police with speed cameras. 😂
So every time you enter a 20mph speed restriction drive at 10mph and cause total gridlock in the Towns ! never could work out how driving so slow in 2nd or 3rd gear creates less pollution ?
It doesn't.
It doesn't. As I understand it, this was sold on the premise of children surviving a 20mph collision but not a 30mph one. More could be hurt from the exposure to NOX emissions than impacts.
Or just get rid of Labour and their lapdogs
As soon as you get a number plate it gives the government free range to tax you fine you and prosecute you in order to raise money while cyclists,deliveroos,electric bikes,scooters,evs,etc drive about on roads that we pay for.well done uk government.also the government are enforcers for greedy insurance companies.
33 million on signage the roads where appalling today people so unsure doing 20 in a 40 zone trying to pull out on to a main road was awful
Just get the signs down and save the sheep from a fine
Whats wrong with vandalising the signs, we are sick of these people vandalising our lives!
Rush hour is gone from bigger towns now it's at smaller towns, and villages. Bin days will be murder.
20 mph? May as well just walk there.
And that's exactly what they ultimately want 😏
Bullshite
Exactly, sell your car and walk everywhere, peasant.
Exactly, sell your car and walk everywhere, peasant.
Exactly, sell your car and walk everywhere, peasant.
the lower the speed limit the higher the emissions....my car does 40 to the gallon at 70mph but 28 to the gallon at 30mph
My citroen did 90 to the gallon at 30. My cooper s clubman 60 to 80 but 4 disc brakes that have a bit of drag
We,ve had to live with urban speed limits of 20kmh here in France ,really confusing as it's not in every town or urban area. The most worrying point for me is when traversing these areas your attention is on the speedometer,,,, not the road !!. Unfortunately new cars are just to smooth and fast to regulate without constant speedometer attention to keep at 20mph/kmh.
We'll have people walking in front of our cars soon with a red flag as they did when cars appeared on our roads
It is not pollution-neutral. 20mph is more polluting because a traditional car engine races faster in the lower gears. Cars are not designed to travel distances in the lower gears. Since the traffic will pass slower over road lengths there will be more congestion. This will also result in more pollution because more cars will be waiting at junctions for a space to get out and more cars will be at a standstill coming off main roads and waiting for the traffic to move on. This will be the best raw material for comedy sketches in a long while.
I was so busy looking at my speedometer that I managed to run over 5 people two dogs and a cyclist, then I crashed into the Indian takeaway so I ordered a Murgh Kari and some Poppadoms.
who voted for it??
we have rouge goverments everywhere
red governments? lol
On Caerphilly council's web site there is a list of 45 roads which are not affected by the 20mph limit
Your spot on. I am driving at 20 mph if not sure as it's not very clear in many places.
I have just dropped my granddaughter off at school. We both walked. I would like to 'educate' Drakeford regarding reality. Loads of cars parked along two sides of the road outside school meaning you take a chance walking through the gap between vehicles to cross over. Numerous buses and mini buses dropping kids off. The uphill approach road to the school featured cars not doing 20, not even 30, more like 40. Instead our leader's idea is to impose this 20 mph on roads that rarely see a child anywhere near them. Then again they are in areas which can give him the most revenue from fines . The Senedd is full of know it alls who actually know very little. To my friends in England, vote Labour at your peril.
I was driving yesterday with my speed set at 18mph. Within a few minutes, I had road rage from the car behind me. 20mph will not stop bad driving 😢 this absolute madness and a waste of money to the Welsh tax payer.
The guardian rag is the angel of death
Every fine you get, will make the motorist more angry at the politicians that voted for this.
So if you are coming from a 60mph speed limit to 20 you are going to have to stand on the brakes it’s absurd
Worth pointing out that although the perception is that Wales is largely rural, we do have fewer roads; and those roads can be heavily congested, especially in the valleys of South Wales, where there is often one road in the bottom of each valley, running through a series of towns and villages that nestle in the valley bottom.
Cope. Welsh boy
@@DontBeAWollyy if he thinks 20mph will improve his congestion, it's called deluded.
@@geraldandrew3289 most Welsh don’t have a brain
The less people do the more the government will put on them, so the fact that people are to casual and cowardly to fight back gives the ok for the government take more freedom from the people
I'll be interested to see the impact on companies. Mathematics was never my strongest subject. However, if a multidrop delivery driver was able to 100 packages yesterday, it must stand to reason they will have a 33% reduction in productivity in those 20mph zones. Which would mean, today they might only be able to deliver 67 packages. Who's going to deliver/make up the shortfall?
Many have said that efficiency of an engine is reduced, so where is the additional cost going? The consumer I'd guess.
Journeys take 50 percent longer at 20. A 30 mile trip at 30 is 60 mins, same trip at 20 takes 90 mins.
@@Slash1066 Hence the 33% reduction in productivity.
Just drive everywhere in first gear, that'll cause a massive spike in noise and pollution and wreck their stupid idea.
People need to take the cameras down becasue this is just the beggining otherwise. Parliament needs to be got rid of and start again.
This will certainly discourage tourism in wales.
its to keep us from moving around how many people would want to go out for the day when it take an hour to do twenty mile thats if you keep that speed up all the way which can not happen. your trip to the sea side will be just that, by the time you get there you will have to set of back. what a joke. its up to us to fight back
I hope the tourist trade drops as dramatically as Wales stupid speed limits. Drakeford you are clueless...
You can go from National speed limit to 40 limit to 20 limit in a space of 100 feet in some places in Denbighshire
Ebikes go faster its another hit at drivers
Police have already said they won’t be fining or prosecuting any stopped drivers, just “having a word”. Only thing to watch for is getting caught by speed cameras.
The main thing i noticed was that i ended up in 20 to 30 car covoys all driving much closer than before.😮, and I was only visiting, definitely a change from Saturday to Sunday.
Money hunger demons! First the charging for plastic Bags, tax rises the obsession with building student homes which go empty half the year! Now speeding tickets fines!
Wales going to lose alot of tourists income
I’m staying away as long as Drakeford lives.
I have a new car with cruise control but it will not work on ordinary roads except motorways or dual carriageways, also as soon as you touch your brake you have to set it again.
There will be more accidents on the open road because of people having to put their foot down more to catch up on time that was lost going 20mph through villages, towns & cities
I absolutely see the sense of 20 mile limit on residential streets and near schools (during school hours only) but having to do 20 on a main road will be so frustrating and annoy the hell out of most drivers.
I suppose you'll roll over and have your tummy tickled.
The VAST Majority of Cars are designed to cruise in 4th Gear at 30MPH.
20 MPH is a 3rd Gear and will comsume petrol and create stress to the driver.
Expect more Road Rage.
There is a petition on the senedd web site just over of 100k already.
10% + 1 is wrong @ 3:40 , its actually still 10% + 2mph as confirmed by 95 % of the police forces. Don't know where he is getting that from. Is Wales 10% +1mph, I didn't think it was different to England?
Can a speedometer read 20 mph accurately enough? A wheel fitted with over aspect tyres like winter tyres could be going at 30 but the speedo would read 20. In Older vehicles which I have driven the speedo needle didn’t even lift off the stop until 15 mph.
You'd have to fit super monster truck tyres for that difference ;)
The highway code states that 30 is a maximum,where cars are parked or obstructions its far less.