What a waste of money the policy has been. Even tiny 30' long dead end roads remarked with 20mph markings. Meanwhile real issues like potholes and blocked gullys ignored.
These absolute clowns wasted tens of millions on new 20mph signs, in some cases to alert drivers entering a small cul de sac what speed they need to follow.
I've got a radical idea. Why don't we all drive at half the speed limit say 50 down to 25 - 40 down to 20 - 30 to 15 etc. They would probably make some kind of adjustment to the speed camera's and fine us for going too slow.... I want to know what the hell happened to the petition signed by nearly half a million people. I suspect it has been mislaid somewhere.
It is causing so much stress for delivery drivers who are paid per drop and for people who have to work for a living. This stress translates to aggression by frustrated drivers prevented from earning a living. Does this stress benefit the health and welfare of the population I wonder?? Clearly those who created the policy have comfortable regular salaries and little awareness of the human psyche. Scotland U-Turn next please.
Well, good luck getting any government here other than Labour. Unfortunately the Welsh tend to vote blindly for labour, regardless of their incompetency. Conservative aren't much better. Vote Reform 👍🏻
Common sense prevails, clowns should never be given powers to cause chaos again. we just need the same in London now, there are dual carriage ways with 20 mph limits :(
@@DisleyDavid There are traffic lights ever 100 meters or so. Also by no traffic i meant reduce traffic compare to day time. Its always busy in Central London despite the time.
I paid for a drivers awareness course to dodge a one hundred pound fine and three penalty points for doing 23 mph in an un posted 20 mph zone on a road that was a 30 mph .it cost me 88 pounds and 3 hrs in a classroom .if the limit is raised back to 30 mph I will demand the return of my 88 pounds and compensation for a waste of 3 hrs of my time
Drive everywhere at 5mph and no-one will be killed on the roads. It's crazy. How many lives would be saved on Motorways by lowering the limit to 30mph? The true answer, as it always was, is driving according to the conditions. I used to use a rural road that has Average Speed cameras along a 15-mile stretch, 50mph, but I only used it at 3am. Almost zero traffic, but I still had to crawl along, chug chug chug, because the cameras were still recording.
The money wasted on the 20 mph experiment would have been better spent educating pedestrians to look where they are going instead of at their mobile phones, this applies everywhere not just on the roads.
If 20 is like falling from a 1st floor window, why not 10 then, or even 5mph so much safer? Hey why not ban cars altogether? Mark Drakeford take a bow!
They have already done the same in London. Local government decide on 20 limits, low traffic zones and pedestrian areas. They don't ask national government.
The tedious argument which taken to its logical conclusion means pedestrians would be safer if all cars didn’t move at all! Everything we do involves some risk, just wish some people could deal with that fact.
@@occamraiser No, those were unpaved and basically created just by people always going the same way. MOTORWAYS are paved and specifically designed for motorized traffic. Stop being dumb and walking out in front of cars/trucks and "hoping" that they will be able to stop.
Wrong they are made for everyone however they chose to travel. If 20 makes it safer for everyone then it's the way it should be. Cars are not the future of transport.
20 is too slow …most drivers are careful but the pedestrians roam the streets especially in London are like zombies on their phones not looking when crossing the road putting themselves in danger rather than taking responsibility knowing that the insurance policies are in their favour cause accidents on purpose to claim.
At your peril. I just got 4 NIP letters. 12 points 6 month ban instantly.Doing 28mpr in a 20mpr zone thinking I was under 30 so I was good...since ive just moved from England. Really unfair.
I don't agree with 20mph limit, it makes things slower and people are more frustrated. Some roads, understandable, but some big roads being 20 is a joke.
Gear ratio on my car is not optimised to do 20mph. Had to change down causing higher revs=less economy=more pollution! Plus because of LTNs had to take longer routes! 20mph only looks good on papers.
What the man is saying makes a lot of sense. I would like to extend what he’s saying to 10mph, and perhaps even 5mph. In fact, why don’t we all just walk slowly and carefully?
It is not just 30 mph stretches of road that have been reduced to 20 mph, I know of a straight wide stretch of 40 mph road which has suffered the same fate and it feels ridiculous driving so slowly on it.
If it’s about safety then maybe people should take responsibility when crossing the road without looking just like drivers are supposed take responsibility when they see someone crossing. Yes 20mph causes less damage but by that logic we might as well drive at 1mph it will be even safer then. Have some common sense
I've gotten 4 NIP letters through the door. Doing 28mpr thinking I was good just below 30. So now I'm facing 12 point 6 month ban and a fine.Just moved from England where its 30mpr. What a joke!
Now that 20mph has been enforced, the argument regarding a person being hit by a car traveling 20mph vs 30mph is no longer valid. Instead, since there is data, we should look if the new speed limits have actually contributed to a decrease road fatalities or not.
Clearly the government has a lot of money during this cost of living crisis to engage in these moronic schemes at the tax payers expense. Plus we need to send billions to Ukraine so the money has to come from somewhere. Why not fine thousands of motorists for driving at 24 mph on a road that was 30 mph for decades to raise the money?
and the 20 mph scheme here in London! .... and the no car zones here in London! .. and all the cameras being used to fine motorists so they can fund foreign wars and claw back money lost during COVID. I will never vote Labour again!
I bet that the councils will NOT revert to the proper, original speed limit , claiming they do not have the money to replace all the 20 signs and everything will stay, mostly, as it is.
We were told that the local authorities could set the limits on roads in their area when this came in? If so then if they set roads to 20 then and left a small percentage stil at 30 why would they change it? Our local council had the option to keep certain roads at 30 after complaints but refused. My take on it is that only certain main roads will change and the rest will stay at 20, so it's only a subtle change to please the masses and speed limits fines will be imposed more toughly. So it's a win/lose situation.
The councils will also claim that there is no money to change the signs, even though they would "love to do so". That way, they can still impose their will against us whilst pretending to be on our side.
@@martinf8508 Only a fool would fail to recognise it's a stealth tax on motorists by reducing the speed limit and putting up speed cameras to raise money. They have already done the research on the number of car owners per house hold. I personally know people who were engaged in this research. Next step is how to turn this knowledge into cash for the local governments by claiming/lying that they are protecting us from ourselves! 😂😂😂😂
20mph around schools and certain roads yes, but not on main roads. People need to be more aware of cars when crossing roads and police need to catch idiot drivers.
But that costs the council money. It's more financially rewarding to the council to just lower the speed to 20mph and put up speed cameras especially and strategically on hills/downward slopes where cars will inevitably pick up speed and then count the cash generated/stolen from the public!
@@DisleyDavid but central government also doesn't oppose it leaving cities and towns at the mercy of local labour councils run by criminal gangs who have decided to raise money by changing the speed limit from 30 mph to 20 mph whilst setting up speed traps. So while Wales may change to this "policy" nothing will change for the general public.
@TonyMontana33452 Lots of Tory and Lib Dem councils have 20 limits. It's not just one party. But, yes, national government do not get involved in England.
Although I am not convinced about implementation it would be interesting to see if in Wales, over the last year or so, injuries to pedestrians have changed. If they have reduced then a more considered approach where local authorities apply lower limits is justified. Central Government should provide guidance on road safety nationally but leave it to the locals to implement. I find it strange that nobody seems to have noticed the vast swathes of central London with 20 mph speed limits. Some of these have been in effect for over 20 years.
We all knew it was a stupid idea, put in place by stupid people! What a huge waste of taxpayer money!! How much are these people being paid to make idiotic short-sighted decisions?
What a waste of money the policy has been. Even tiny 30' long dead end roads remarked with 20mph markings. Meanwhile real issues like potholes and blocked gullys ignored.
Let’s start petition to recover costs of this outrageous exercise from those who made this decisions
What a total waste of tax payers money!
😂真的～
These absolute clowns wasted tens of millions on new 20mph signs, in some cases to alert drivers entering a small cul de sac what speed they need to follow.
Yes the change back to 30 is as there is nothing wrong with 20.
I've got a radical idea. Why don't we all drive at half the speed limit say 50 down to 25 - 40 down to 20 - 30 to 15 etc. They would probably make some kind of adjustment to the speed camera's and fine us for going too slow....
I want to know what the hell happened to the petition signed by nearly half a million people. I suspect it has been mislaid somewhere.
It is causing so much stress for delivery drivers who are paid per drop and for people who have to work for a living. This stress translates to aggression by frustrated drivers prevented from earning a living. Does this stress benefit the health and welfare of the population I wonder?? Clearly those who created the policy have comfortable regular salaries and little awareness of the human psyche. Scotland U-Turn next please.
Please take a 10/10 for this comment. I was a delivery driver in London, gave notice after 25 years, many of my coworkers felt the same.
Wasting money and making stupid decisions was a Drekford specialty. Really happy he has gone. Hope they will build the M4 bypass around Newport now .
20 uses more petrol than 30 to go the same distance. bad for the wallet and the environment.
Yes. Cars are designed to be most effective at 62 mph
@@daviddesert3132Well, that's not true. A cars peak efficiency might be 30 mph, or 40-50, or 52, depending on the car it's not arbitrary.
Yes, randomly saying things makes them true
@@daviddesert3132exactly
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k The 62 is a modal average. There are no vehicles that are most efficient at 30 though.
it was so short sighted and based on proper research. My mpg economy absolutely tanked every time I drive in Wales, its so stupid
Based on what research?
@@DisleyDavid real life experience of doing 3000miles in wales in the last year - in 3 different types of vehicle
Another waste of money from the Welsh Labour government. There allocation of money over the years has been beyond dire
Well, good luck getting any government here other than Labour. Unfortunately the Welsh tend to vote blindly for labour, regardless of their incompetency. Conservative aren't much better. Vote Reform 👍🏻
THEIR
Mainly English taxpayers money. Vote for the Abolish the Welsh Assembly party, devolution failed and was only ever supported by 26% of voters.
Common sense prevails, clowns should never be given powers to cause chaos again. we just need the same in London now, there are dual carriage ways with 20 mph limits :(
I drove down Central london at 1am yesterday took me 35 mins to cover 4 miles and there wasnt any traffic either just being stuck at driving 20mph
Insane.
@@Arichtofen 35 minutes at 20 mph = 11.6 miles. There must have been some other reason for your slow progress.
@@DisleyDavid There are traffic lights ever 100 meters or so. Also by no traffic i meant reduce traffic compare to day time. Its always busy in Central London despite the time.
@@Arichtofen So your slow progress is almost entirely due to traffic lights. The speed limit makes little or no difference.
I paid for a drivers awareness course to dodge a one hundred pound fine and three penalty points for doing 23 mph in an un posted 20 mph zone on a road that was a 30 mph .it cost me 88 pounds and 3 hrs in a classroom .if the limit is raised back to 30 mph I will demand the return of my 88 pounds and compensation for a waste of 3 hrs of my time
Class action required
I mean, just looking at the 20mph campaigner explains an awful lot.
Will Drakeford personally be paying for the change back to 30?
Drive everywhere at 5mph and no-one will be killed on the roads. It's crazy. How many lives would be saved on Motorways by lowering the limit to 30mph? The true answer, as it always was, is driving according to the conditions. I used to use a rural road that has Average Speed cameras along a 15-mile stretch, 50mph, but I only used it at 3am. Almost zero traffic, but I still had to crawl along, chug chug chug, because the cameras were still recording.
Classy
The money wasted on the 20 mph experiment would have been better spent educating pedestrians to look where they are going instead of at their mobile phones, this applies everywhere not just on the roads.
If 20 is like falling from a 1st floor window, why not 10 then, or even 5mph so much safer? Hey why not ban cars altogether? Mark Drakeford take a bow!
How about educating the young idiots who step out into the road staring at their phones? 🤔
Maybe we should all be placed in pods with feeding tubes? Much less stress on A&E...
Excellent point well made. The only safe speed must be zero.
@@petebraven1522 Or the drivers on their phones who drive into people and things.
The sign making company has made a nice few quid from the 20mph limit and back to 30+ (did they lobbie for both?)
Drakeford looks like he's got a Jesus complex. He seemed to so want to be some kind of saintly hero.
They should do the same in London
They have already done the same in London. Local government decide on 20 limits, low traffic zones and pedestrian areas. They don't ask national government.
I hope they kept the old signs then.
😂😂
That would be FAR too sensible! of course they didn't 😂
The labour councillor responsible for this should have been sacked, and his pension taken away from him... Idiots making up their own laws...
Nobody seems to be taking much notice of the 20 mph ...... 😄
The foreigners do in London.
V annoying.
Well I hope the Mayor is replaced and Ulez thrown out..
Well that's some good news for the people of Wales an visitors to Wales 👍
We pay council tax for them to waste it on nonsense like this :/
When I heard that they were going to introduce the 20mph limit I was frankly astonished at the stupidity. Maybe reason is going to prevail.
The tedious argument which taken to its logical conclusion means pedestrians would be safer if all cars didn’t move at all! Everything we do involves some risk, just wish some people could deal with that fact.
20 mph on the main road is Madness
Hint: Roads are made for CARS and TRUCKS; not as playgrounds.
well, not really, not the ones with houses and shops along them - they were made for pack mules and carts 800 years ago.
@@occamraiser No, those were unpaved and basically created just by people always going the same way. MOTORWAYS are paved and specifically designed for motorized traffic. Stop being dumb and walking out in front of cars/trucks and "hoping" that they will be able to stop.
No, they're for everyone. The auto industry created the myth that roads are for motor vehicles.
Wrong they are made for everyone however they chose to travel. If 20 makes it safer for everyone then it's the way it should be. Cars are not the future of transport.
That's a good u-turn
People power win at last
20 is too slow …most drivers are careful but the pedestrians roam the streets especially in London are like zombies on their phones not looking when crossing the road putting themselves in danger rather than taking responsibility knowing that the insurance policies are in their favour cause accidents on purpose to claim.
But many car driver's look at their phone while driving
Welsh Larry David right at the end 😂
@@James_Doyle83 No apostrophe needed,please James.
Here in Wales most of us ignore it. Though it should be kept near schools and housing estates.
At your peril.
I just got 4 NIP letters. 12 points 6 month ban instantly.Doing 28mpr in a 20mpr zone thinking I was under 30 so I was good...since ive just moved from England.
Really unfair.
Absolutely pathetic waste of money n resources to gain more control n failed, GOOD!!
Charge Mark Drakeford a proportion of the bill, what was his salary ?
All they do is waste money.
5 years of Labour soon this is going to get much much worse. the whole country will be 20mph
They don’t care about it environment or anything they just want to make money through fines
🎯 👏👏👏
Yes, just before the election.
20mph proves and does nothing. It’s so frustrating on big main roads with 20mph, yet tbh, I stick to 30mph. Hope it does get removed
I don't agree with 20mph limit, it makes things slower and people are more frustrated.
Some roads, understandable, but some big roads being 20 is a joke.
Gear ratio on my car is not optimised to do 20mph. Had to change down causing higher revs=less economy=more pollution! Plus because of LTNs had to take longer routes!
20mph only looks good on papers.
20mph? how about just walk
Or cycle 20 limits are great for cycling.
Labour is a complete joke, LMAO😂
Yet again.... Thousands of wasted pounds to do what?
Thousands????
£32Million it cost
And now it's a waste of time and has to be spent again just because drivers can't cope with a 20 limit.
Labour could not run a corner shop, never mind a country.
What the man is saying makes a lot of sense. I would like to extend what he’s saying to 10mph, and perhaps even 5mph. In fact, why don’t we all just walk slowly and carefully?
😂😂😂.....how lacking in common sense.....
Pay us back drakeford, we'll take it out of your pension.
It is not just 30 mph stretches of road that have been reduced to 20 mph, I know of a straight wide stretch of 40 mph road which has suffered the same fate and it feels ridiculous driving so slowly on it.
But it 'saves lives'. Or did the usual emotional blackmail tactics not work this time to justify a daft decision?
Exactly. People really need to wake up to this disgusting emotional blackmail.
Drakeford should foot the bill for his utter muppetry.
Unbelievable waste of money when nobody wanted it in the first place. Sheer arrogance .
If it’s about safety then maybe people should take responsibility when crossing the road without looking just like drivers are supposed take responsibility when they see someone crossing. Yes 20mph causes less damage but by that logic we might as well drive at 1mph it will be even safer then. Have some common sense
in edenbridge a town here in the southeast most people are doing 40 in a 30 😅, I can't even imagine doing 20.
Here in Newcastle on the bridge that takes 4 years to renew we need to stuck in traffic even less than 5 miles because of the road works 😂
What a total waste of money, Mark Dickford what a plebe :)
I don’t get the Welsh governments hatred of motorists
It's not the hatred of motorists, on the contrary, it's more the love of revenue from the fines by way of an easy target.
The WEF goal is to reduce vehicles on the road by 30%
@@ONYX-365 with an increasing population and a unrealistic public transport service I can't see that working
Make Drakeford pay for this debacle
Whats wrong with today. Dont wait til the end of the year. Do it now!
Cars are not geared for 20 mph efficiency.Utter madness from the start.Fascism.
Cars are not geared for any speed. A CVT or electric is the way to go.
About time too, what a stupid idea In the first place , has anyone got common sense in these positions of power 🙄
This is Labour all over. They are a complete circus. Thank god we still have the Tories! ❤
May?
Will be returning to 30mph
The welsh public have spoken.
That's why now I never holiday in Wales
Well I now chose to holiday in Wales because it's safer to cycle there.
I've gotten 4 NIP letters through the door. Doing 28mpr thinking I was good just below 30.
So now I'm facing 12 point 6 month ban and a fine.Just moved from England where its 30mpr.
What a joke!
Now I wonder why their doing this oh I know elections
It’s nuts that modern cars cause more environmental damage trying to drive at 20mph
They tried it here in Scotland and it got scrapped
not only was it a waste of time and money, it was also knackering my 6 gear car up never out of 2nd gear kept cutting out
Now that 20mph has been enforced, the argument regarding a person being hit by a car traveling 20mph vs 30mph is no longer valid. Instead, since there is data, we should look if the new speed limits have actually contributed to a decrease road fatalities or not.
I like that they'll admit something they tried didn't work.
If it's not broken don't fix it
Clearly the government has a lot of money during this cost of living crisis to engage in these moronic schemes at the tax payers expense. Plus we need to send billions to Ukraine so the money has to come from somewhere. Why not fine thousands of motorists for driving at 24 mph on a road that was 30 mph for decades to raise the money?
Thank goodness! Its a mess
The 20mph change cost each person in wales £10.66. I want my money back
And the stupid thing is it's going to cost another £10.66 because car drivers can't cope with a 20 limit 🤦♂️
@@Ed.R Don't think I've come across someone doing 20 since I was 2 cars behind a learner driver last week
Common sense prevails!
A will they won't they sop to potential Welsh Labour voters, come the General Election.
Vote Reform UK, for ALL of the UK.
It’s just like the ulez scheme here in London . When Khan is removed will drivers who have been fined , receive compensation ?
and the 20 mph scheme here in London! .... and the no car zones here in London! .. and all the cameras being used to fine motorists so they can fund foreign wars and claw back money lost during COVID. I will never vote Labour again!
I bet that the councils will NOT revert to the proper, original speed limit , claiming they do not have the money to replace all the 20 signs and everything will stay, mostly, as it is.
They have to replace them if they get tagged or trashed
Way to waste our money 🤦♂️
It’s just too slow for a modern vehicle
Am I supprised not one bit. 🇬🇧
What happens to any driver who got fined for breaking the 20mph limit? Any compensation?
Drakeford should pay
We were told that the local authorities could set the limits on roads in their area when this came in? If so then if they set roads to 20 then and left a small percentage stil at 30 why would they change it? Our local council had the option to keep certain roads at 30 after complaints but refused. My take on it is that only certain main roads will change and the rest will stay at 20, so it's only a subtle change to please the masses and speed limits fines will be imposed more toughly. So it's a win/lose situation.
The councils will also claim that there is no money to change the signs, even though they would "love to do so". That way, they can still impose their will against us whilst pretending to be on our side.
@@martinf8508 Only a fool would fail to recognise it's a stealth tax on motorists by reducing the speed limit and putting up speed cameras to raise money. They have already done the research on the number of car owners per house hold. I personally know people who were engaged in this research.
Next step is how to turn this knowledge into cash for the local governments by claiming/lying that they are protecting us from ourselves! 😂😂😂😂
Im surprised that 20mph campaigner wasn't swaddled in bubblewrap and wearing a crash helmet.
20mph around schools and certain roads yes, but not on main roads. People need to be more aware of cars when crossing roads and police need to catch idiot drivers.
But that costs the council money. It's more financially rewarding to the council to just lower the speed to 20mph and put up speed cameras especially and strategically on hills/downward slopes where cars will inevitably pick up speed and then count the cash generated/stolen from the public!
Put it up to 40 mph
What a total waste of money. All them signs that they have changed now going to change them back….
The pleb who made this law i bet doesn't drive
And in England please…
In England central government does not decide 20 limits. Wales is now shifting to this policy.
@@DisleyDavid but central government also doesn't oppose it leaving cities and towns at the mercy of local labour councils run by criminal gangs who have decided to raise money by changing the speed limit from 30 mph to 20 mph whilst setting up speed traps. So while Wales may change to this "policy" nothing will change for the general public.
@TonyMontana33452 Lots of Tory and Lib Dem councils have 20 limits. It's not just one party. But, yes, national government do not get involved in England.
Please do!
Although I am not convinced about implementation it would be interesting to see if in Wales, over the last year or so, injuries to pedestrians have changed. If they have reduced then a more considered approach where local authorities apply lower limits is justified. Central Government should provide guidance on road safety nationally but leave it to the locals to implement. I find it strange that nobody seems to have noticed the vast swathes of central London with 20 mph speed limits. Some of these have been in effect for over 20 years.
Lies.
Dickford needs to be prosecuted
Thanks for 2 speeding tickets for my trip to Wales, unfortunately I won't be back ever,ever, ever ,ever
Delivered in Wales for a few years. Lovely country, lovely people, crappie drivers.
We all knew it was a stupid idea, put in place by stupid people! What a huge waste of taxpayer money!! How much are these people being paid to make idiotic short-sighted decisions?
If people’s main concern was that is was a waste of money, surely putting it back to 30 is just wasting more money?
The change doesnt change the speed limit though it is just the ability to change it!
Socialism.
Guy with the glasses and red T-shirt nailed it. Checkmate!
More likely they will drop the limit to 15mph and under Labour it will be across that was once a Nation but is now a group of Council areas
They should as punishment for moaning about a 20 limit.
Devolution was clearly a mistake