Edinburgh is a nightmare. 20mph limits all over the place, traffic calming systems, roads narrowed down, bollards with largely unused bicycle lanes, narrowed roads taking more damage from traffic, congestion everywhere, trams in the town centre ... it goes on and on. They are trying to force us out of cars and it may work as driving just isn't fun at all now. My motorbike engine labours at 20mph, going through the town I rarely get out of first/second.
@@patrick6110 You're missing the point somewhat. I don't generally drive around town unless I really have to, I use public transport and at the age of 67, it's free. The point I was making was about the horrendous traffic management in the town and the resulting road damage and congestion. I have to pass through these 'systems' in order to leave the place (something I can't do often enough quite frankly). The roads are deteriorating at a rate of knots that the repairmen can't keep up with and tyre/suspension damage is something I've personally experienced. The 20 mph limit is only a small part of the problem.
The Mayor of London it seems wants to revert to before the Industrial revolution and the invention of the car, where a man with a red flag had to walk in front of a moving vehicle? However, if his objective is to reduce pollution, a 20mph limit is counter productive and will make that objective further away.
what gear and revs does your car use at 20 and 30 mph? Surly you are in the gear appropriate to the speed. Are you using a low gear and high revs in an attempt not to go above 20?
@@long_view Not quite sure what being an automatic has to do with it. Even in an automatic the driver can often select a gear, normally via paddles on the steering column or by moving the gear lever. Perhaps you car does not have this technology, you do not know about this feature or you don't know how to use it. :)
People are led up the garden path when they debate whether a 20 mph limit is good for safety or the environment. It is part of the agenda to get the working class off the roads. as long as people don't see this the establishment will succeed in their objective.
@@OscarOSullivanI disagree, what car do you drive most cars today are not designed to be driven at 20 miles an hour. The only time I I at 20 is in small side roads, Evan the police don’t drive at 20 miles an hour.
@@krisradjpaul278 20mph is 32 kilometres an hour 30 kilometres an hour zones have been well implemented into Irish towns and cities most cars are designed to drive that fast
He wants that because they are easy to catch people doing 25 mph, It is just a money making speed, I have never seen a mobile speed trap in a 30mph since the 20mph roads came in, I now have 3 point because I did 24mph in a 20mph, on a road that has been be 30mph for 120 years, no accidents reported, it's just for money, It won't be long before just stop oil are walking faster than the cars!
Yet there'll be a speed limit next on walking or maybe even using a pushchair/wheelchair? Wonder how many cyclists will get nicked for exceeding 20mph? Country has gone completely fckuing insane!
How about teaching pedestrains to use the Greencross Code when crossing the road or do the Labour run councils deem pedestrians too stupid to understand it
Carry on like this and eventually there will be someone walking in front of your car giving a warning message of a motor vehicle approaching. If that sound familiar then you've heard of what happened with early cars. Thought we'd progressed from those days but not so. We're heading backwards. Next will be horses and carts.
Why we simply take this stupid rules without challenging the moronic move? We need to remove this guy as soon as possible. I think 25mph is more realistic. We all know there is an evil agenda from power behind the scene. Let’s rise up and not submitting to these idiotic measures.
This is going lengthen journey times for both public transport and private car van users. How is slowing traffic going to improve business? This approach is slow suicide for business.
They say they want to make our roads safer yet you see school kids walking along, riding bikes with headphones on, can't hear what's going on around them, kids crossing the road without looking, tapping away on their phones?. They need to educate these kids on road safety, not keep punishing the motorist
I swear got a speeding ticket at 23mph was focusing on the speedometer whilst seeing Waze and Waze suggested 21 but camera still came on like wtf do I do 😭
Which means people are going to have to leave earlier for work. Get home in the evenings later than normal. Any school busing is going to affect that as far as times go kids are going to have to leave earlier in the mornings and get home later in the evenings, unless they reconfigure their bus routes. I could just see the headlines now police chase suspect on a high speed pursuit at 30 mph! Iol
So what we are saying is that it's OK for a driver who is supposed to be in control of their vehicle because that's why they got a licence (I hope) to not be in control? Kyle and Freeman: a right pair of morons imo.
The stupidity of these comments is stupefying. Firstly, in London there are a lot of streets that have too much traffic to be able to drive at more than 20 mph. The problem happens in streets where there isn't enough traffic and cars can pick their speed. These are more likely to be hyper residential narrow streets. Cars are a triple nuisance in residential areas: they are dehumanising to pedestrians, they create noise and vibrations that are felt inside the homes and they are dangerous to pedestrians. At 20 mph vs 30 mph, these nuisances are significantly reduced. Because traffic doesn't proceed at more than 20 mph in major axis that these small streets reach, there is no benefit in driving at more than 20 mph anyway. You're not happy with how cumbersome it is to drive a car in London ? Take the bus or the tube.
This huy advocates capitulation. 25 he suggests, I say bullshit. 30 and leave it there. Most drivers go below 30, as the situation dictates. There no such thing as Speeding, there only inappropriate speed. I could give tons of examples
Ok outside schools but not needed elsewhere and will cost billions of pounds pointless they say it will stop accidents but most accidents are caused by people speeding or on their phone not doing 30 mph think about the extra brake dust it now creates they asked the people where i live in the wirral area what they thought 98% didnt want them but they still go ahead will they fine e bike riders for going over 30mph like they do and riding through red lights and causing the accidents young people these days ride agàinst the flow of traffic spend most of the time just on the back wheel riding like tw#ts then wonder when they get hurt i know blame the motorist for me riding like a tw#t and there is always a solicitor who will take on the case and get money from you when its their fault its all wrong
You think so. Most OAPs have had clean licences for many years. It's the cafe racers you want off the streets for safety. AND....you'll be a dithering OAP yourself someday. That's if you live long enough.
I think they should put a 20mph limit on the British Grand Prix. No neeed for tyre changes, or dangerous over taking or Pitstops.
We need to fight these blanket 20mph zones across the UK. Could we start with a petition...? I'm sure we'd have the numbers to get noticed....
NOT
20MPH
32 kilometres is more than enough for an urban area
Edinburgh is a nightmare. 20mph limits all over the place, traffic calming systems, roads narrowed down, bollards with largely unused bicycle lanes, narrowed roads taking more damage from traffic, congestion everywhere, trams in the town centre ... it goes on and on. They are trying to force us out of cars and it may work as driving just isn't fun at all now. My motorbike engine labours at 20mph, going through the town I rarely get out of first/second.
Have to agree, when I visit the place its a nightmare. 20 to 30 to 20 to 40 to 30, trying to work out if your in a bus lane or not.
Edinburgh is a tiny city that is highly walkable. If you cannot walk, use a handicapped scooter. They do not exceed the 20 mph speed limit.
@@patrick6110 You're missing the point somewhat. I don't generally drive around town unless I really have to, I use public transport and at the age of 67, it's free. The point I was making was about the horrendous traffic management in the town and the resulting road damage and congestion. I have to pass through these 'systems' in order to leave the place (something I can't do often enough quite frankly). The roads are deteriorating at a rate of knots that the repairmen can't keep up with and tyre/suspension damage is something I've personally experienced. The 20 mph limit is only a small part of the problem.
The Mayor of London it seems wants to revert to before the Industrial revolution and the invention of the car, where a man with a red flag had to walk in front of a moving vehicle?
However, if his objective is to reduce pollution, a 20mph limit is counter productive and will make that objective further away.
Most people didn’t own a car 70 years ago
20mph means the car is in a lower gear = higher revs, so more pollution, not less.
yep but, what do we know .....
wrong doesn't work like that
what gear and revs does your car use at 20 and 30 mph? Surly you are in the gear appropriate to the speed. Are you using a low gear and high revs in an attempt not to go above 20?
@@radishpea6615 It's a torque converter auto, so the transmission system selects the appropriate gear. Perhaps you are unaware of such technology.
@@long_view Not quite sure what being an automatic has to do with it. Even in an automatic the driver can often select a gear, normally via paddles on the steering column or by moving the gear lever. Perhaps you car does not have this technology, you do not know about this feature or you don't know how to use it. :)
People are led up the garden path when they debate whether a 20 mph limit is good for safety or the environment. It is part of the agenda to get the working class off the roads. as long as people don't see this the establishment will succeed in their objective.
100%
Canopus anything that gets people out of there cars is good
The word you are striving for is 'their' you are entitled to your opinion however poorly educated you are.@@OscarOSullivan
@@canopus101 I am a lot better educated than you
Really? @@OscarOSullivan
"You might as well get out and walk". That's the intention.
Totally agree it causes accidents because it’s so difficult to drive at 20.
Do please explain how 20mph limits cause accidents
Driving is actually easier at lower speeds
@@OscarOSullivanI disagree, what car do you drive most cars today are not designed to be driven at 20 miles an hour. The only time I I at 20 is in small side roads, Evan the police don’t drive at 20 miles an hour.
@@krisradjpaul278 20mph is 32 kilometres an hour 30 kilometres an hour zones have been well implemented into Irish towns and cities most cars are designed to drive that fast
I've been saying this for about 5-years he want to make the car so difficult to drive and to have it on the road will all end up not to have one
It’s about revenue! Got to feed the Government beast
He wants that because they are easy to catch people doing 25 mph, It is just a money making speed, I have never seen a mobile speed trap in a 30mph since the 20mph roads came in, I now have 3 point because I did 24mph in a 20mph, on a road that has been be 30mph for 120 years, no accidents reported, it's just for money, It won't be long before just stop oil are walking faster than the cars!
I live in rural North wales a 20 MPH speed limit is going to create congestion and slow down emergency services! Its a mad idea.
If "20 is plenty", then why do 97% of drivers exceed it??? It tells its own story.
Because they are selfish
I will drive in first gear revving the arse out my company van
and Beeping! especially outside Townhall
Everyone should ignore these ridiculous rules...they can't prosecute everybody.
There's camera everywere that the problem
Yet there'll be a speed limit next on walking or maybe even using a pushchair/wheelchair? Wonder how many cyclists will get nicked for exceeding 20mph? Country has gone completely fckuing insane!
Cyclists can go over 20mph - does that make sense?
Because a cyclist doesn’t do as much damage as a driver does in a crash
At least someone raised the question about this bullshit.Well done, we need to fight back to these scammers in law
How about teaching pedestrains to use the Greencross Code when crossing the road or do the Labour run councils deem pedestrians too stupid to understand it
That is good and all but a metal box does more damage
Your point about auto car wanting to roll about 20mph is correct.
My auto gearbox 'hunts' between gears at 20, so I'll have to do 17 to 18. Sorry everyone.
The only appropriate speed limit is none. Only give licences to people who can be trusted. Design roads so that a safe speed is obvious.
YEAH BUT CYCLISTS DON,T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THIS LAW !
A man with a red flag walking in front of your vehicle would be a better idea🙃
Carry on like this and eventually there will be someone walking in front of your car giving a warning message of a motor vehicle approaching. If that sound familiar then you've heard of what happened with early cars. Thought we'd progressed from those days but not so. We're heading backwards. Next will be horses and carts.
Why we simply take this stupid rules without challenging the moronic move? We need to remove this guy as soon as possible.
I think 25mph is more realistic.
We all know there is an evil agenda from power behind the scene. Let’s rise up and not submitting to these idiotic measures.
but lets try 30 first - no compromise
This is going lengthen journey times for both public transport and private car van users. How is slowing traffic going to improve business? This approach is slow suicide for business.
They say they want to make our roads safer yet you see school kids walking along, riding bikes with headphones on, can't hear what's going on around them, kids crossing the road without looking, tapping away on their phones?. They need to educate these kids on road safety, not keep punishing the motorist
I have trouble controlling my speed to 80 mph in built up areas!
I swear got a speeding ticket at 23mph was focusing on the speedometer whilst seeing Waze and Waze suggested 21 but camera still came on like wtf do I do 😭
Khans 6litre range rover will that be doing 20mph lol do as I say not as I do is labours new motto
Plus his front and back police escorts clearing the plebs away for him.
How has he destoryed the livelihood of cabbies? And, who walks at 20mph?
What a load of utter crap.
Which means people are going to have to leave earlier for work. Get home in the evenings later than normal. Any school busing is going to affect that as far as times go kids are going to have to leave earlier in the mornings and get home later in the evenings, unless they reconfigure their bus routes. I could just see the headlines now police chase suspect on a high speed pursuit at 30 mph!
Iol
I thought the average speed in London was 12mph
not in my car
BAN THE WHEEL 🛞!! Be square ❤😂🎉❤😂😂😂😂❤
Don't have to, just send the signal to all EVs to limit to 20mph. All other cars will be slowed
The average speed in rush hour is 5 mph. Why not impose that
This country is ridiculous 😢
You delivery’s will take a lot longer, your fuel consumption will go up, there will be more emissions.
Pay TFL for price per mile and cabbies minutes in the cab
In stupid Australia it’s 20kl an hour that’s about 15 mph
Where ? I have never seen it.
when going down hills or slopes, why cant drivers engine brake, this will reduce the use of brakes?
or you could put the car in gear like everyone else does
@@joso7228 Engine braking is having the car in a "low" gear.
So what we are saying is that it's OK for a driver who is supposed to be in control of their vehicle because that's why they got a licence (I hope) to not be in control?
Kyle and Freeman: a right pair of morons imo.
Join the blade runners get rid of them all.
What next men walking in front with flags like the old days lol😂😂
I live Mid Wells we have 20mph speed limit it's crisis and stupid
Khan won't get my vote! Give him his P45 already!
Its all about making fines /tax from motorist to bankroll TFL
PRINCE ANDREW TO VISIT
SCHOOL
The state has 😂always told u what to wear! Try buying baggy jeans. Everything is slim fit 😂
Time to start traveling on horse back again. I'm sure they will love the pollution from that.
The stupidity of these comments is stupefying. Firstly, in London there are a lot of streets that have too much traffic to be able to drive at more than 20 mph. The problem happens in streets where there isn't enough traffic and cars can pick their speed. These are more likely to be hyper residential narrow streets. Cars are a triple nuisance in residential areas: they are dehumanising to pedestrians, they create noise and vibrations that are felt inside the homes and they are dangerous to pedestrians. At 20 mph vs 30 mph, these nuisances are significantly reduced. Because traffic doesn't proceed at more than 20 mph in major axis that these small streets reach, there is no benefit in driving at more than 20 mph anyway. You're not happy with how cumbersome it is to drive a car in London ? Take the bus or the tube.
This huy advocates capitulation.
25 he suggests, I say bullshit. 30 and leave it there. Most drivers go below 30, as the situation dictates. There no such thing as Speeding, there only inappropriate speed. I could give tons of examples
Can't drive more than 5mph in London anyway. Feel sorry for cabbies😂... Not me.
Oh no cars go faster downhill. How will we cope.?
Brakes?!
i drive way faster in london because i don't take the Tourist Routes that you use
20mph will back and more the so called ulez saving.
Ok outside schools but not needed elsewhere and will cost billions of pounds pointless they say it will stop accidents but most accidents are caused by people speeding or on their phone not doing 30 mph think about the extra brake dust it now creates they asked the people where i live in the wirral area what they thought 98% didnt want them but they still go ahead will they fine e bike riders for going over 30mph like they do and riding through red lights and causing the accidents young people these days ride agàinst the flow of traffic spend most of the time just on the back wheel riding like tw#ts then wonder when they get hurt i know blame the motorist for me riding like a tw#t and there is always a solicitor who will take on the case and get money from you when its their fault its all wrong
What a waist of money, spend the money on something else rather thousands of 20mph signed and paint on roads
Competency Driving Test at 70 - you can have one resit.
Get those dithering OAPs off our streets and Save Our Children!
You think so. Most OAPs have had clean licences for many years.
It's the cafe racers you want off the streets for safety.
AND....you'll be a dithering OAP yourself someday. That's if you live long enough.
if motorist can't stick to 20mph in certain areas then the country is most certainly doomed
motorists can't stick to 30mph. You are not looking!