For the greedy Slaanesh daemons that collect body parts, I think Godrick the grafted from Elden Ring is a perfect example of such a creature that stitches the body parts of both people & monsters alike. (A dragons head in Godricks case)
A unit that would be pretty lovely for Slaanesh would be Jhin from league of legends. An artist/sniper whose art is murder, obsessed with setting up the perfect shot. In general feel like Slaanesh could really use some more models focused either on music or art/painting/sculpting
It's because GW is terrified to admit sex exists, because it's easy to sell fictionalized torture and murder and warfare to kids, but we draw the line at sex, good sir.
Tbf they're already super edgy(as of decades ago) so i get being averse to it. I would feel like a perv playing with some of those proxy models with their junk out with the kids at my hobby store
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It never ceases to amaze me that ultraviolent, blood and gore is seen as acceptible, but heaven forbid someone see a boob.
That greed unit sounds really interesting. Like a more sophisticated version of Ork looting. Of course, GW would never do it because they could never encourage kitbashing in this day and age, and god forbid they add things to sprues that could be used with other armies.
Unit idea Masochist of Slaanesh. Infantry unit that gets buffs the more damage it takes. Gotta kill the unit quickly or they end up with crazy ward/invulnerable saves and increasingly more attacks
would make sense if it was 1 big model. otherwise small dead guys wouldnt feel pain, unless design wise your arguing they all feel eachothers pain? thatd be cool, like a sadistic triumph of saint catherine
The audience that GW seeks to court *loves* Slaanesh. But only in theory. Because Slaanesh is "going too far" embodied, personified, represented. They love the idea of being able to live in your desires. But they cannot conceive of the evil that can be born of hedonism in a way that doesn't happen off screen. They can't see it as an evil thing. You can't be evil if you are "living your truth." Yes. Slaanesh is sex, drugs, and rock and roll. And the campy version of that is meritorious in the same way the campy version of Khorne is. And while they can sell Khorne when he is written and portrayed seriously, they can't bring themselves to go portray the brutality of Slaanesh. They don't want to write about the sensation junky sticking spikes under his own nails just so he can feel the pain shriek up his overtaxed nerves. They can't bring themselves to write about a man slowly degenerating from an honest, honourable dutiful father to a monster in his flesh who would rape one child, eat the other alive, piece by piece, and make his wife watch the whole time, spiked to a rack. Slaanesh is in poor taste a lot of the time. It is snuff and smut and degeneracy, and there is no way the audience they are courting could stomach it done well; the disgust it rightfully should produce. Any writing done on it is just empty allusions. It is swept under the rug because they can't actually conceive of evil that is not an imposition, but a fall and degeneration.
I think you're completely right about that, and to be honest I'm happy that they don't go that far with it. That would very quickly be my least favorite chaos God. I don't know, I probably be turned off of the whole game if they actually went down that alley. But Slaanesh is more than just the sexual side, it's about obsession and excess so that can be anything from being obsessed with perfect fighting form or beauty or anything else.
@@LetsTalkTabletop That's just the thing though. The Chaos gods are _supposed_ to be the Evil that justifies the ruthlessness of the Imperium of Man, in no small part. Yes, the Imperium is pretty bad, with trillions suffering short, brutal lives daily for the privilege of just one more day. But the Chaos Gods are the _why_ to the what and how. Big E is both a Brutal Dictator, _and_ a Benevolent Saviour. That's the point. You have to choose your Evil. You aren't supposed to like the Chaos Gods outside of that context; they're supposed to be horrid things that do horrid things and make horrid things out of otherwise normal people. Campy is valid. But so is serious, is my point. And the reason they're backing away from Slaanesh in spite of the fact that they don't want to is because they're aware that it means something they don't like, when they want to be able to like it.
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GW should also hire Juan Diaz again to do more models for Slaanesh. 😃
tecnically Tzeench is the god of Change so it could be the most body-horror driven chaos god, remember the absolute beauty that was his chosen champion: Aekold Hellbrass Slanees should focus more on the extremization of concepts: like perfection of martial prowess, i immagine a unit of perfectly sincronized warriors, all with polished armors, much like the guard of Sigvald, without the beauty and horny aspects of it, like a warhammerization of Griffith fighting style
I agree, look at the old Pink Horrors, for a good example, they had their mouths open and other horrors were crawling out of it, as if they were constantly splitting and falling apart. The new ones look more like comic book demons in comparison. Though I always felt like Tzeentch could also cover the "strange unnatural geometry" kinda angle, the incomprehensible Lovecraftian stuff that makes you go mad just by lookin at it. A bit like the guy making the "Cubes of Tzeentch" army.
Tragically GW webt too hard on surface layer slaanesh (sex, drugs and rock) in the old days which led to a decade and a half of slaanesh being ignored. Nowadays we'll sometimes see what i call layer 2 of slaanesh in focusing on sins. Gluttony and pride are especially focused upon. But the reality of slaanesh is what i like to call layer 3 of writing slaanesh. Slaanesh is anything and everything taken to a self destructive extreme. A slow process of a daemonic muse walking you down the path of excess in whatever fixation you may have. Maybe they lead you to success before you burn out in a blaze of glory, or maybe they lead you deeper into your own misery and self loathing. I think theres a lot of room for shoeing how slaanesh preys on depression. A psyker spiraling into depression amplified by slaanesh's dark blessing to affect those around them, a desperate nobody driven to do any extreme to make a name for themselves or if you want to get really grim a poor soul so lost in their self loathing they've been manipulated and turned into a kamikaze trooper just so their death can have some semblance of meaning their life never had. Good slaanesh stuff writes itself when you're willing to step outside the realm of what's safe and simple
It's kinda silly though because that makes the other chaos gods obselete. Obsessed with knowledge and change? Tzeentch? Nope Slanesh. Obsessed with fighting and blood. Khorne? Nope. Slanesh.
There might be room with interesting flavour to diversify the slaanesh roster with each sin getting a few units and options to flesh each out. The key thing with slaanesh they are currently just fast and graceful. Mixing in some slower units and options that still emphasize the excesses. For example... greed could be represented as a form of mass attack or template ranged unit that sprays the enemy with a barrage of tainted platinum or silver/mercury projectiles that turn people to silver statues that be claimed or melted down into baubles or more projectiles, the victims soul still conscious as they are recycled forever. Envy with mimic enemies that tear way their victims identity. There are definitely ways to keep a unified aesthetic. A shared motif of pink and silver... and similar graceful appearing forms
@@TheScience69 Slaanesh can potentially be that... but I imagine the reason slaanesh cannot outstrip the other chaos gods is because slaanesh could not consume all the Eldar gods. The gods prevented from his reach are the laughing God, Isha the Eldar goddess of health, and khaine. Each one was denied by the other chaos gods, and so while theoretically slaanesh could be the best in all things, in reality... it can only manage to be a highly precise overly focused specialist.
@@TheScience69 not at all IMO. The difference is in the details. Looks at Kharn and Lucius for example. Bother are combat obsessed but from two different approaches. Kharn is just out for blood while Lucius is a perfectionist (despite becoming a punching bag in the meta narrative). Slaanesh's extremes often come from a hyper fixation on a particular aspect of something. A khorne berserker who wants to take as many skulls as possible and a slaaneshi executioner obsessed with decapitating blows are both chopping heads but are going to approach doing that very differently. On the tzeentch side it often involves the proliferation of knowledge or outright lying in addition to seeking information. Slaanesh meanwhile hoards knowledge selfishly, their greater daemons being keepers of secrets after all. Tzeentch magic warps reality while slaanesh magic merely warps how the target interacts with reality. Slaanesh may step on the toes of the other gods but unlike their all encompassing approach to their domains slaanesh instead finds niches to fixate on to their self destructive conclusion.
Slaanesh could have it's own glamour sorcery, inflicting sensate crowd control like manic laughter or delirious obsessions. Maybe instil the desire for an enemy captain to suddenly charge into melee with the nearest unit or to suddenly become obsessed to count the grains of sand on the ground. This sounds like illusory magic which would be Tzeentch' expertise I'd think but really one can just make sure to make it clear that Slaanesh is actually unlocking these feelings inside of the victim, the sensation isn't actually an illusion.
Slaanesh is a little too on the nose with a certain alphabet that the company is morally and contractually obligated to appease. The 80s and 90s were a different time, perhaps a better time to some.
I LOVE Sigvald. He embodies that excessive vanity and pride perfectly. I think GW could (and should!) elaborate on that concept, and, in a wonderfully mocking nod to the Aeldari, make a new “Slaanesh aspect warrior” unit that's just really arrogant, perfectionist, narcissist and egotistic. It would somehow embody the traits of all the different aspect warriors in like an “ultimate, perfectly optimised warrior”. Almost like an elite unit of chaosy autarch equivalents. That’s would be soooo ficking cool and suit them PERFECTLY - which, after all, is what Slaanesh is all about ; ) EDIT: Oh! An alternative is that they can either have the options of “the perfect shooty aspect warrior” loadout and a CC variant, or can switch stances during battle between being shooty, slashy and tanky. Mastering all different arts of war better than any aspect warrior😈 (and not all at once, that would be primarch-esque lol, but wargear options, or stance change ability, would both work very well imo).
The emaciated demons of greed is a fantastic idea. Also Slaanesh is spawned from the Eldar and should take from them more, like another commentor said honing perfection so perhaps something akin to the witches of Dark Eldar who have not just filed down their teeth but even their fingers to be perfect weapons, extra ligaments to improve the snap of their claw swings and speed of their charge etc
I made a slaaneshi chaos lord once who was completely and utterly obsessed with stealing people's eyes because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and this chaos lord wanted to be the most beautiful. I need to do more with him and expand on his story
It's weird because I think that 40k makes the perfect setting to revamp the Youngest God. 1) the main Slaaneshi faction in 40k are the Emperor's Children, who are more focused on the obsession/excess of sensation side of Slaanesh than the Diddle Deity side 2) I don't know if this is common knowledge but Space Marines have never been shown to have a libido, and might actually be completely sexually impotent. I think you can still sex up Slaaneshis a bit, but gone are the days where you'll see niche fetish pornography disguised as official 40k minis, sorry to all of you whose daemonette minis I would hesitate to touch with an orbital bombardment. I unironically like the more sexless Sisters Repentia btw :^)
I completely agree. Slaanesh is a hot spot of wasted potential. I totally understand wanting to tone down how fucked up it is. Getting Mom to buy their kiddo a Warhammer box when they see stuff like that is just not going to happen. Even in AoS, like you said, a lot of the mortal minis, while well designed, are pretty typical stuff. GW definitely seems to be afraid of pushing the 'excess' element too far for marketing reasons, which is both understandable and disappointing. Also, sadly, the 3D printing world has the opposite problem, where it's really hard to find something that isn't so overly sexualized that it's more off-putting than grimdark or immersive. Maybe the problem is that 'excess' can be interpreted differently for every person, and so there's no real easy way to nail that aesthetic for a broader audience.
a fun challange ive found is going over the different layers of slaanesh's castle and just making different units or creatures that would lurk in each one incase of intrusion. also i noticed this throughout alot of your ideas, you seem to consistantly go back to emaciation, starvation, and creepy bodyhorror stuff, but 90% of those concepts are all nurgle traits. throughout all Slaanesh models, they all are shown to be overly perfected versions of themselves around their desires, so instead of gluttony being emacciated, it would be overly fat akin to glutos. however, that does make you wonder what kind of mutations an excessive voyeur would have, possibly an enlarged eye and emmaciated but lengthened limbs as to hide in plain sight while watching?.
also, the tongue monster thing, thats what daemmonnettes do im pretty sure, just in a different way, so that would make more sense, but just argue they eat people like human frogs. also the flayed skin idea? thats the joyous ones... im so fucking annoyed that they arent a slaanesh unit because its SUCH A WASTE UGHHHH
Fully agree with your points, Scott. Slaanesh is massively underutilized. I was watching IT Part 1 and 2 and was thinking how Pennywise would make an interesting Slaanesh demon of fear. There is an interesting story in the codex about a Slaanesh demon inclusion and how, everywhere a beautiful song is heard, it slowly builds and becomes more discordant, with a sweet perfume that starts to sour. I also find the realm of Slaanesh very interesting, and how the final challenge is a restful beach that fills you with contentment, where you never get up from the white sands, and where the waves will grind you down into the very white sand in which you rest. Slaanesh, in my view, has the most narratively compex over the 4 (or 5) other Chaos gods. Slaanesh can also be viewed as the god of self-destruction (with Malice/Malal no longer being canon like it was). How many times do people pick short-term gain over long-term loss? A very human trait that some of the best stories explore. The philosophy of Georges Bataille is a great way to look at the ideas of slaanesh, without going to deep for a UA-cam comment his idea is that can a human experience pain in there life that transients into ecstasy/epiphany. A common idea that is seen in religious texts from around the world. Any way.... Looking forwed to when Emperor's Children come out someday.
The should be Famine incarnate. Willing to eat themselves just to feed. A unit that heals the enemy by draining the friendlies of that enemy There's so much cool shit. Should be something to charm a unit basically making it take an attack on a friendly at lower dice or some shit. The 7 deadly sins is basically slanesh isn't it, all about the excess of life.
famine is more akin to nurgle with pestilence. hence nurgle using flies and yes, 7 deadly sins indeed, thats each floor of their palace. id say look at their palace and youll find some ideas. (one of my favoirates is excess peace, which the fiends play into.)
Hard to have a well-written evil god of excess and perversion when you keep trying to pander to the people who consider it a virtue to deny that those things exist
It’s really not family friendly. This isn’t the 80’s or 90’s when we were latchkey kids and parents just chose to overlook “naughty things”. Different world. Little Timmy’s mom isn’t going to spend $3,000 over the next 7 years on warhammer figures if slutty plastic models are front and center when she shows up at a store with her son for the first time.
@@GrimdarkKing Warhammer was never for 12 year old timmy. GW doesn't give a shit about virtue they just want to sell as much as they can so they dumb down everything and neuter any lore or ideas that can be considered "problematic".
If they dont want sex they should double down on the excess. It should be the case that the excess religiousness of the imperium of man to the emperor should trigger a Slaanesh invasion.
Yeah they should. Like a preacher of the ecclesiarchy would continuously preach about the holy martyrs, such as Saint Celestine. His/her flock would slowly become obsessed with that saint. They would dedicate holidays to them, aspire to be them, stuff like that. This goes further, the people start thinking they should be exactly like that. They get extreme, try and adjust their bodies to look like the saint. This is when they fall into excess, into a pursuit for perfect 'holiness' that gradually gets twisted.
A unit I thought up was the Idol of Perfection. It would be an equivalent to the Slaughterbrute / Vortex beast. The style would be very slick, basically featureless, with six arms. I imagine it having potent mind control abilities/ it fascinates those around it (it could also put Slaaneshi units in a frenzy/euphoria). It approaches enemies that are stunned by it's perfection and rips them to shreds. Maybe it can even turn enemies.
Idk if this is actually in the lore at all or if this would go against it, but my head cannon for them is that Slaanesh kind've "focuses" on the excess of the seven deadly sins. Mainly cause I recently read through FMA lmao. Excess of Pride (vanity, self confidence) Excess of Sloth (laziness, literal sleep) Excess of Lust (sex, attraction) Excess of Greed (could be money but also stuff like land, weapons, trinkets, etc) Excess of Gluttony (food, alcohol) Excess of Wrath (anger, violence) Excess of Envy (Jealousy, Covet)
Thats why i prefer more older or even dead tabletop games , especially Mutant chronicles Warzone. You can add yourself new squads and homebrew it that you get fresh and cool ideas of figures and commanders that brings something fresh on the table . Warhammer 40k just lost its track and goes into auto-pilot with its creativity which actually bouncex me off WH40K overall .
Awesome! I also love Slanesh. My favorite 40K faction, idea, concept, whatever. Love the elder god concept. This one is the only one kind of original. As far as I know not a 1 to 1 copy like nyarlathotep and tzeench.
7 deadly sins are cover through various parts of chaos. Khorne=Rage/Wrath. Nurgle =gluttony & sloth leaving Pride (Chaos Space Marines?) Greed and Lust. All three would have to translate to a miniature or miniatures that convey the idea to many cultures. Greed can be good and bad. Pride can be both as well. Lust lends itself to sexual innuendo at minimum and will not be well tolerated by parents making purchases. It can be done but there is not necessarily universal translations for these ideas
In some cases, but a lot of it still boils down to being fast and torturing people. I don't really think they dip into the excesses of different styles.
If you are not against proxying and 3d printing I'd would suggest to look into Bestiarum Miniatures's Court of Balazar. If I was to make an AoS Slaanesh army I would probably go for those models but I probably won't because they creep me out a lot... Which is perfect for Slaanesh so Slaanesh's lovers go look for those if you can 3d print or know someone who can because those models are really great for Slaanesh.
I have been complaining about this for a while. My understanding of Slannesh was that she represented excess and not just murder sex, but that seems to be just about the only thing available from GW. I want some of the models you proposed. I loved the voyeur model idea you had. Like the concept of a lot of new Slannesh models being emaciated to symbolize obsession over something.
Glutos: excess greed masque: excess performance Helbane: excess instinct keepers: excess incarnate epitope: excess desire syl'esseke: excess synchronization synessa/dexcessa: excess synchronization/music chariots: excess speed its there, you just gotta look, not to mention looking into emperors children. but yeah, i agree that there should be more forward themes and designs
I think the boobs out miniatures of the 1980s which I saw as a kid have been scaled down / swept under the carpet by the GW design team. Also for WH40K people have wanted an Emperors Children codex and new miniature range but alas decades have passed and nothing much - a few upgrade sprues and a limited edition guitar playing mini.
I dont play tabletop but what if there some unit that love to be beaten up and when it does, it can "move faster" to bash the target. Or a painter that paints horror stuff.
I'm thinking for the Greed ones, like instead of just the gold horde type stuff, it's almost like they're drenched in molten gold, could make them larger in scale to almost say like they're so obsessed with not losing their stash that they straight up eat their own money which could tie into gluttony then and just the general sense of excess. I know GW are toying around with Daemonettes looking different since they did that Slaanesh Underworld set thing for AOS with the bloated and fat Daemonette which lead that group. As a whole though I agree with you, Slaanesh is just something they don't know what to do with mainly due to yeah washing a bit of the stuff away to appeal to younger audiences, not to mention just like, Vices are somehow more Taboo than literal murder a lot of the time now
GW never seriously knew what to do with Slaanesh beside the "female demons seducing people" archetype. They tried to shoehorn everything into Slaaneesh of being excess in anything and then things became very confusing again, oh you can be obsessed with practically anything but most of the things are not interesting on the tabletop. And most average people still think Slaanesh is only about sexuality and BDSM and pain but you also can't show those if you want to keep your products from going 18+ so that's never gonna work either.
From a real perspective of demons and mortal sin, you're missing the point. Demons use temptation against _us,_ not indulge in those things, themselves. For example, Greed would have things to lure their prey, not things which they, the demons, are obsessed about. And, this being a war game and all, it could be weapons, armor, treasures, and even things which then become "objectives", that pin down the enemy unit or character so that they can't go around killing enemies, claiming legitimate objectives, etc. For things like Pride, Lust, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth, Wrath... Well, the sky is the limit, really. I'm not sure how the rules work these days (old, 3rd edition fan, here!), but using Envy as an example, it could work by turning a unit or character against its fellows (animosity, in game terms). Wrath would make them exceedingly angry and unable to do anything until they kill or drive off the "offending" unit/character. Sloth would cause them to sit and be idle or move off the battlefield altogether, not caring about the fight anymore. Lust would send them into a frenzy of... well, you know! The point is, the Slaanesh demons, spells, special units etc would seek to lure others into those things. At least, if being _realistic_ about how actual demons function is the goal. Of course, a particular model meant to represent a particular temptation would have to have the look. For example, Wrath would look furious, Greed would have the look of avarice, and so forth. Jut my two cents (well, more like a dollar, due to inflation, but you get the idea!).
Slish is could be an interesting and dynamic opponent but workshop focuses solely on the torture. It would be interesting to have a group that uses someone’s greed or Everest against them or something other there are there is a reason there are seven deadly sins and let’s not get into pride, I mean more than that could fall to that one
Hmm... Well if we are going to go with the full 7 deadly sins... and since we already have some history of it. Why don't they bring back the dead Aldarei gods as Demi god Daemon princes of the 7 excesses. Then you can get really tragic with all the fallen gods and this vice they could never shake.
Ever since certain cultures emerged GW has been really hesitant to express the things that real life culture enjoys as “bad” or to portray some life - styles as not good
I'm not really into AoS, I like 40k. And for me Slaanesh is least interesting god if we talking about miniatures. Emperors Children are almost not existed. 2 ancient units (Lucius and noise marines) and that's all. And I'm not huge fan of Slaanesh demons. Why the hell almost all of them have these damn crab claws? Slaanesh is god of crustaceans? And I don't understand why GW didn't release new Emperors Children army yet. A lot of people asked this for many years. GW constantly releases new units and whole new fractions, but no EC. EC is part of Chaos which is one of the main sides in the setting, there are a lot of books and lore about EC from Great Crusade and Heresy to M42. I highly doubt that kroot army (part of the not very popular Tau) or Leagues of Votann (which finally got their first novell just this month) are more popular than EC.
They're long past delving into truly dark themes and imagery. Gotta maintain that mass-appeal. You know, the mass appeal of one of the most cost prohibitive, niche, nerd enthusiast hobbies in all of existence.
This is why I'll always love Ian Watsons books. His description of Slaanesh worshippers shows the excesses and wierd sex stuff they get into. They would never allow those kind of books now. It's why I preferred the grimdark tv show Lexx over Farscape. Sex has got to be booming in a galaxy as overpopulated as the one in 40k.
I think the core problem is that excess inherently just isn't great for units in a game that includes kids and teens as its target audience. It veers into various sensitive subjects far too quickly. Which isn't great when you want to make a relativly family friendly game. There's really only a handfull of options that can be considered safe in that sense. Also, the army needs to be somewhat coherent. Combining different types of excess will quickly result in a mismatched army. Which further complicates things. And of course there's the problem of stepping on the toes of other armies. And that's not just limited to stepping on the toes of other chaos factions. For example, the emanciapated hungry unit you describe is just FEC in AoS.
Slaanesh is really not an army kids should play, but teenagers will, as the idea appeals to them. Muddying the look with different types of excess is indeed a problem though. I mean, if you want to include gluttony, I would just give you an ogre army to convert, after all, they are all about it.
@@krinkrin5982 The issue is those kids will still encounter it. You can't exactly go and hide the boxes of Slaanesh units in the back of the store and only allow older customers access or something. GW would not be happy with that kind of solution. And even ignoring the age-appropriateness of the sensitive subjects, there's the simply fact that these subjects don't fit well with the rest of the tabletop. The tabletop is far too busy parodying sci-fi to treat such sensitive topics in an appropriate way. If you want to incorperate these things you'd need to do it in a more serious game/book/whatever (e.g. it could work in a 40K horror game or something... as long as it takes its subject matter seriously)
@@kakalukio I agree that it would probably fit far better into the novel and RPG space, rather than the tabletop, as it would both allow for more serious topics and for the individual miniatures to be better curated. It will also allow for a much wider variety without destroying the cohesion of an army.
A sloth demon that barely moves, sucking in its victims maybe, inflicting lethargy and breaking the will of whoever ventures too close. That idea is rough, but there could be a gem in there somewhere.
I said it earlier but I find the Choas gods to be utterly weak to the point where if they needed to fight outside their setting, they would get folded. Everyone but Nurgle depends on people willingly give up their soul to power them, they say "oh we are too busy fighting each other to focus on the mortals!" But.. they literally got scared of G man with Big E sword and regularly hide in 999999999 fortresses that instantly kill any intruder.. like bro who are trying to scare? Your own creations? 😂 Khrone talks all about fighting but he hasnt "won" a fight and skillset is a mildly effective memer. Tzeentch could and couldnt do anything mainly cuz he couldnt remember what to do. Slapanest is just...weird, like she did something and forever became a titanic jobber. 😂 I wish 40k wasnt so purposefully covered in ultramarine glue and allowed to move like.. 2 inches forward.
The Chaos gods don't need followers to exist though? Like fighting feeds Khorne regardless of who's doing it, because he's the embodiment of Anger and War, Tzeentch just gets fed by the notion of Ambition, and Slaanesh gets fed by basically anything anyone wants to perfect
Because it would become increasingly more difficult to justify other factions/subfactions? So, the gluttony approach - why aren’t Ogre’s highly susceptible? What about the Great Maw? Greed? Dwarfs are greedy, right? Why aren’t they susceptible? What are Chaos Dwarfs for now? There’s allot of cross over and redundancy by introducing themes like that. Just my initial thoughts on the subject.
They should just make some nc17 s&m type units only sold 2 adults w the shackles leather strapping spikes collars all that type of stuff. Maybe some other ones involving substance abuse like narco zombies/speed zombies etc. I liked yr voyer unit that was a great idea.
GW *wants* Slaanesh to be the god of lust, but they can’t get that past standards and practices. That’s why they go with this sanitized torture nonsense, and invest very little innovation into the character. All things honest? I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t eventually kill Slaanesh off and replace it with something more PG rated.
The irony of claiming GW are battling woke when the main problem with Slaanesh is it's little more than torture porn and dominatrixes because that's what appeals to the tragic, sweaty little minds of so many of its customers.
Pretty shallow analysis of what Slaanesh is, and represents, currently. He is more than just lust, sadism, and vanity. He is the Chaos God of Excess; in all things. I suspect you aren’t up to date with the lore updates in AOS. And you missed a lot of what the AoS range actually represents. You should do more extensive research before making these type of videos, rather than just a cursory glance at surface level themes. I like your idea of more body horror though. Although, it’s quite polarising; people generally love it or hate it. There’re already quite a few elements on the models that could be painting up as flesh instead of decadent fabrics; such as the stockings on the Fiends and Keeper of Secrets.
The reason why they don't do greed is because they'd have to model after themselves.
Hahaha
Yeah, if you want to collect a chaos army of greed, you could always buy GW stocks
GW won't do a greed based demon because that's too close to home
This is so spot on.
For the greedy Slaanesh daemons that collect body parts, I think Godrick the grafted from Elden Ring is a perfect example of such a creature that stitches the body parts of both people & monsters alike. (A dragons head in Godricks case)
I think body horror in general is just a solid direction to go in
A unit that would be pretty lovely for Slaanesh would be Jhin from league of legends. An artist/sniper whose art is murder, obsessed with setting up the perfect shot. In general feel like Slaanesh could really use some more models focused either on music or art/painting/sculpting
Great idea!
Theres like a laundry list of kinks everywhere online that they can take inspiration from and all gw can think of is BDSM
Ah yes, the diaper and foot fetish miniatures.
GW lost the plot a long time ago. They lost the plot, they lost the grim dark, they lost their soul. GW and its games are one step away from Monopoly.
It's because GW is terrified to admit sex exists, because it's easy to sell fictionalized torture and murder and warfare to kids, but we draw the line at sex, good sir.
Lol
In the grimdark setting of the forty first millennium sex doesn't exist
Tbf they're already super edgy(as of decades ago) so i get being averse to it. I would feel like a perv playing with some of those proxy models with their junk out with the kids at my hobby store
It never ceases to amaze me that ultraviolent, blood and gore is seen as acceptible, but heaven forbid someone see a boob.
Aside from the English lexicon having different words for them, id say they're pretty different as concepts.
That greed unit sounds really interesting. Like a more sophisticated version of Ork looting.
Of course, GW would never do it because they could never encourage kitbashing in this day and age, and god forbid they add things to sprues that could be used with other armies.
id argue its like gretchlings, you gain a CP from stealing opponents stuff.
Unit idea
Masochist of Slaanesh. Infantry unit that gets buffs the more damage it takes. Gotta kill the unit quickly or they end up with crazy ward/invulnerable saves and increasingly more attacks
I like it! Like they like the pain and they want to be hurt. LOL
would make sense if it was 1 big model. otherwise small dead guys wouldnt feel pain, unless design wise your arguing they all feel eachothers pain? thatd be cool, like a sadistic triumph of saint catherine
The audience that GW seeks to court *loves* Slaanesh.
But only in theory. Because Slaanesh is "going too far" embodied, personified, represented. They love the idea of being able to live in your desires. But they cannot conceive of the evil that can be born of hedonism in a way that doesn't happen off screen. They can't see it as an evil thing. You can't be evil if you are "living your truth."
Yes. Slaanesh is sex, drugs, and rock and roll. And the campy version of that is meritorious in the same way the campy version of Khorne is.
And while they can sell Khorne when he is written and portrayed seriously, they can't bring themselves to go portray the brutality of Slaanesh. They don't want to write about the sensation junky sticking spikes under his own nails just so he can feel the pain shriek up his overtaxed nerves.
They can't bring themselves to write about a man slowly degenerating from an honest, honourable dutiful father to a monster in his flesh who would rape one child, eat the other alive, piece by piece, and make his wife watch the whole time, spiked to a rack.
Slaanesh is in poor taste a lot of the time. It is snuff and smut and degeneracy, and there is no way the audience they are courting could stomach it done well; the disgust it rightfully should produce.
Any writing done on it is just empty allusions. It is swept under the rug because they can't actually conceive of evil that is not an imposition, but a fall and degeneration.
I think you're completely right about that, and to be honest I'm happy that they don't go that far with it. That would very quickly be my least favorite chaos God. I don't know, I probably be turned off of the whole game if they actually went down that alley. But Slaanesh is more than just the sexual side, it's about obsession and excess so that can be anything from being obsessed with perfect fighting form or beauty or anything else.
@@LetsTalkTabletop That's just the thing though. The Chaos gods are _supposed_ to be the Evil that justifies the ruthlessness of the Imperium of Man, in no small part. Yes, the Imperium is pretty bad, with trillions suffering short, brutal lives daily for the privilege of just one more day. But the Chaos Gods are the _why_ to the what and how. Big E is both a Brutal Dictator, _and_ a Benevolent Saviour. That's the point. You have to choose your Evil.
You aren't supposed to like the Chaos Gods outside of that context; they're supposed to be horrid things that do horrid things and make horrid things out of otherwise normal people.
Campy is valid. But so is serious, is my point. And the reason they're backing away from Slaanesh in spite of the fact that they don't want to is because they're aware that it means something they don't like, when they want to be able to like it.
GW should also hire Juan Diaz again to do more models for Slaanesh. 😃
tecnically Tzeench is the god of Change so it could be the most body-horror driven chaos god, remember the absolute beauty that was his chosen champion: Aekold Hellbrass
Slanees should focus more on the extremization of concepts: like perfection of martial prowess, i immagine a unit of perfectly sincronized warriors, all with polished armors, much like the guard of Sigvald, without the beauty and horny aspects of it, like a warhammerization of Griffith fighting style
I agree, look at the old Pink Horrors, for a good example, they had their mouths open and other horrors were crawling out of it, as if they were constantly splitting and falling apart. The new ones look more like comic book demons in comparison. Though I always felt like Tzeentch could also cover the "strange unnatural geometry" kinda angle, the incomprehensible Lovecraftian stuff that makes you go mad just by lookin at it. A bit like the guy making the "Cubes of Tzeentch" army.
Aekold Hellbrass - damn loved that character.
Tragically GW webt too hard on surface layer slaanesh (sex, drugs and rock) in the old days which led to a decade and a half of slaanesh being ignored. Nowadays we'll sometimes see what i call layer 2 of slaanesh in focusing on sins. Gluttony and pride are especially focused upon. But the reality of slaanesh is what i like to call layer 3 of writing slaanesh. Slaanesh is anything and everything taken to a self destructive extreme. A slow process of a daemonic muse walking you down the path of excess in whatever fixation you may have. Maybe they lead you to success before you burn out in a blaze of glory, or maybe they lead you deeper into your own misery and self loathing. I think theres a lot of room for shoeing how slaanesh preys on depression. A psyker spiraling into depression amplified by slaanesh's dark blessing to affect those around them, a desperate nobody driven to do any extreme to make a name for themselves or if you want to get really grim a poor soul so lost in their self loathing they've been manipulated and turned into a kamikaze trooper just so their death can have some semblance of meaning their life never had.
Good slaanesh stuff writes itself when you're willing to step outside the realm of what's safe and simple
Very well put. I very much agree. Slaanesh has so much more potential than it's surface layers, maybe even moreso than Tzeentch.
It's kinda silly though because that makes the other chaos gods obselete. Obsessed with knowledge and change? Tzeentch? Nope Slanesh. Obsessed with fighting and blood. Khorne? Nope. Slanesh.
There might be room with interesting flavour to diversify the slaanesh roster with each sin getting a few units and options to flesh each out. The key thing with slaanesh they are currently just fast and graceful. Mixing in some slower units and options that still emphasize the excesses. For example... greed could be represented as a form of mass attack or template ranged unit that sprays the enemy with a barrage of tainted platinum or silver/mercury projectiles that turn people to silver statues that be claimed or melted down into baubles or more projectiles, the victims soul still conscious as they are recycled forever. Envy with mimic enemies that tear way their victims identity. There are definitely ways to keep a unified aesthetic. A shared motif of pink and silver... and similar graceful appearing forms
@@TheScience69 Slaanesh can potentially be that... but I imagine the reason slaanesh cannot outstrip the other chaos gods is because slaanesh could not consume all the Eldar gods. The gods prevented from his reach are the laughing God, Isha the Eldar goddess of health, and khaine. Each one was denied by the other chaos gods, and so while theoretically slaanesh could be the best in all things, in reality... it can only manage to be a highly precise overly focused specialist.
@@TheScience69 not at all IMO. The difference is in the details. Looks at Kharn and Lucius for example. Bother are combat obsessed but from two different approaches. Kharn is just out for blood while Lucius is a perfectionist (despite becoming a punching bag in the meta narrative). Slaanesh's extremes often come from a hyper fixation on a particular aspect of something. A khorne berserker who wants to take as many skulls as possible and a slaaneshi executioner obsessed with decapitating blows are both chopping heads but are going to approach doing that very differently. On the tzeentch side it often involves the proliferation of knowledge or outright lying in addition to seeking information. Slaanesh meanwhile hoards knowledge selfishly, their greater daemons being keepers of secrets after all. Tzeentch magic warps reality while slaanesh magic merely warps how the target interacts with reality. Slaanesh may step on the toes of the other gods but unlike their all encompassing approach to their domains slaanesh instead finds niches to fixate on to their self destructive conclusion.
Slaanesh could have it's own glamour sorcery, inflicting sensate crowd control like manic laughter or delirious obsessions. Maybe instil the desire for an enemy captain to suddenly charge into melee with the nearest unit or to suddenly become obsessed to count the grains of sand on the ground. This sounds like illusory magic which would be Tzeentch' expertise I'd think but really one can just make sure to make it clear that Slaanesh is actually unlocking these feelings inside of the victim, the sensation isn't actually an illusion.
Slaanesh is a little too on the nose with a certain alphabet that the company is morally and contractually obligated to appease. The 80s and 90s were a different time, perhaps a better time to some.
All really cool ideas off the cuff, nice! Now if only GW would listen... that's the hard part.
I LOVE Sigvald. He embodies that excessive vanity and pride perfectly. I think GW could (and should!) elaborate on that concept, and, in a wonderfully mocking nod to the Aeldari, make a new “Slaanesh aspect warrior” unit that's just really arrogant, perfectionist, narcissist and egotistic. It would somehow embody the traits of all the different aspect warriors in like an “ultimate, perfectly optimised warrior”. Almost like an elite unit of chaosy autarch equivalents. That’s would be soooo ficking cool and suit them PERFECTLY - which, after all, is what Slaanesh is all about ; )
EDIT: Oh! An alternative is that they can either have the options of “the perfect shooty aspect warrior” loadout and a CC variant, or can switch stances during battle between being shooty, slashy and tanky. Mastering all different arts of war better than any aspect warrior😈 (and not all at once, that would be primarch-esque lol, but wargear options, or stance change ability, would both work very well imo).
Excellent idea!
Would expand the noise marines into the excess cult of the senses. In which noise is one path.
id like to present the wizard from inscryption. *"stimulation!!!"*
The emaciated demons of greed is a fantastic idea.
Also Slaanesh is spawned from the Eldar and should take from them more, like another commentor said honing perfection so perhaps something akin to the witches of Dark Eldar who have not just filed down their teeth but even their fingers to be perfect weapons, extra ligaments to improve the snap of their claw swings and speed of their charge etc
Filing their fingers down is such a wicked idea!
I made a slaaneshi chaos lord once who was completely and utterly obsessed with stealing people's eyes because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and this chaos lord wanted to be the most beautiful. I need to do more with him and expand on his story
reminds me of 'the Crow' movie.
It's weird because I think that 40k makes the perfect setting to revamp the Youngest God.
1) the main Slaaneshi faction in 40k are the Emperor's Children, who are more focused on the obsession/excess of sensation side of Slaanesh than the Diddle Deity side
2) I don't know if this is common knowledge but Space Marines have never been shown to have a libido, and might actually be completely sexually impotent.
I think you can still sex up Slaaneshis a bit, but gone are the days where you'll see niche fetish pornography disguised as official 40k minis, sorry to all of you whose daemonette minis I would hesitate to touch with an orbital bombardment.
I unironically like the more sexless Sisters Repentia btw :^)
The licking taster demon unit is a brilliant idea actually.
Thanks!
I completely agree. Slaanesh is a hot spot of wasted potential. I totally understand wanting to tone down how fucked up it is. Getting Mom to buy their kiddo a Warhammer box when they see stuff like that is just not going to happen. Even in AoS, like you said, a lot of the mortal minis, while well designed, are pretty typical stuff. GW definitely seems to be afraid of pushing the 'excess' element too far for marketing reasons, which is both understandable and disappointing. Also, sadly, the 3D printing world has the opposite problem, where it's really hard to find something that isn't so overly sexualized that it's more off-putting than grimdark or immersive. Maybe the problem is that 'excess' can be interpreted differently for every person, and so there's no real easy way to nail that aesthetic for a broader audience.
a fun challange ive found is going over the different layers of slaanesh's castle and just making different units or creatures that would lurk in each one incase of intrusion.
also i noticed this throughout alot of your ideas, you seem to consistantly go back to emaciation, starvation, and creepy bodyhorror stuff, but 90% of those concepts are all nurgle traits. throughout all Slaanesh models, they all are shown to be overly perfected versions of themselves around their desires, so instead of gluttony being emacciated, it would be overly fat akin to glutos.
however, that does make you wonder what kind of mutations an excessive voyeur would have, possibly an enlarged eye and emmaciated but lengthened limbs as to hide in plain sight while watching?.
also, the tongue monster thing, thats what daemmonnettes do im pretty sure, just in a different way, so that would make more sense, but just argue they eat people like human frogs.
also the flayed skin idea? thats the joyous ones... im so fucking annoyed that they arent a slaanesh unit because its SUCH A WASTE UGHHHH
Fully agree with your points, Scott. Slaanesh is massively underutilized. I was watching IT Part 1 and 2 and was thinking how Pennywise would make an interesting Slaanesh demon of fear. There is an interesting story in the codex about a Slaanesh demon inclusion and how, everywhere a beautiful song is heard, it slowly builds and becomes more discordant, with a sweet perfume that starts to sour. I also find the realm of Slaanesh very interesting, and how the final challenge is a restful beach that fills you with contentment, where you never get up from the white sands, and where the waves will grind you down into the very white sand in which you rest. Slaanesh, in my view, has the most narratively compex over the 4 (or 5) other Chaos gods. Slaanesh can also be viewed as the god of self-destruction (with Malice/Malal no longer being canon like it was). How many times do people pick short-term gain over long-term loss? A very human trait that some of the best stories explore.
The philosophy of Georges Bataille is a great way to look at the ideas of slaanesh, without going to deep for a UA-cam comment his idea is that can a human experience pain in there life that transients into ecstasy/epiphany. A common idea that is seen in religious texts from around the world.
Any way.... Looking forwed to when Emperor's Children come out someday.
That’s a really great interpretation of Slaanesh and Pennywise!
The should be Famine incarnate. Willing to eat themselves just to feed.
A unit that heals the enemy by draining the friendlies of that enemy
There's so much cool shit.
Should be something to charm a unit basically making it take an attack on a friendly at lower dice or some shit.
The 7 deadly sins is basically slanesh isn't it, all about the excess of life.
famine is more akin to nurgle with pestilence. hence nurgle using flies
and yes, 7 deadly sins indeed, thats each floor of their palace.
id say look at their palace and youll find some ideas. (one of my favoirates is excess peace, which the fiends play into.)
Hard to have a well-written evil god of excess and perversion when you keep trying to pander to the people who consider it a virtue to deny that those things exist
It’s really not family friendly. This isn’t the 80’s or 90’s when we were latchkey kids and parents just chose to overlook “naughty things”. Different world. Little Timmy’s mom isn’t going to spend $3,000 over the next 7 years on warhammer figures if slutty plastic models are front and center when she shows up at a store with her son for the first time.
@@GrimdarkKing Warhammer was never for 12 year old timmy. GW doesn't give a shit about virtue they just want to sell as much as they can so they dumb down everything and neuter any lore or ideas that can be considered "problematic".
@BrianReplies are kids even playing war hammer
@@nmr7203I don’t think they can afford it anymore. Stores used to be packed with kids but not anymore
@@GrimdarkKinginstead, they'll just drop a couple hundred bucks on some scantily clad anime waifu "model"
never ask a slaanesh player why their figures are sticky
Lol. Ew.
Shut the fuck up jfc jokes like this are why GW won’t touch slaanesh
dw bro its just greese from my chicken wings, mmm gluttony
If they dont want sex they should double down on the excess. It should be the case that the excess religiousness of the imperium of man to the emperor should trigger a Slaanesh invasion.
Yeah they should. Like a preacher of the ecclesiarchy would continuously preach about the holy martyrs, such as Saint Celestine. His/her flock would slowly become obsessed with that saint. They would dedicate holidays to them, aspire to be them, stuff like that. This goes further, the people start thinking they should be exactly like that. They get extreme, try and adjust their bodies to look like the saint. This is when they fall into excess, into a pursuit for perfect 'holiness' that gradually gets twisted.
A unit I thought up was the Idol of Perfection. It would be an equivalent to the Slaughterbrute / Vortex beast. The style would be very slick, basically featureless, with six arms. I imagine it having potent mind control abilities/ it fascinates those around it (it could also put Slaaneshi units in a frenzy/euphoria).
It approaches enemies that are stunned by it's perfection and rips them to shreds.
Maybe it can even turn enemies.
I love it!!
@LetsTalkTabletop Thanks. I like your ideas too👍
Slaanesh isn't easy to deal with lore wise. There are disgusting creeps out there who take things too far, if you get what I am saying.
Idk if this is actually in the lore at all or if this would go against it, but my head cannon for them is that Slaanesh kind've "focuses" on the excess of the seven deadly sins. Mainly cause I recently read through FMA lmao.
Excess of Pride (vanity, self confidence)
Excess of Sloth (laziness, literal sleep)
Excess of Lust (sex, attraction)
Excess of Greed (could be money but also stuff like land, weapons, trinkets, etc)
Excess of Gluttony (food, alcohol)
Excess of Wrath (anger, violence)
Excess of Envy (Jealousy, Covet)
Thats why i prefer more older or even dead tabletop games , especially Mutant chronicles Warzone. You can add yourself new squads and homebrew it that you get fresh and cool ideas of figures and commanders that brings something fresh on the table .
Warhammer 40k just lost its track and goes into auto-pilot with its creativity which actually bouncex me off WH40K overall .
Awesome! I also love Slanesh. My favorite 40K faction, idea, concept, whatever.
Love the elder god concept. This one is the only one kind of original. As far as I know not a 1 to 1 copy like nyarlathotep and tzeench.
7 deadly sins are cover through various parts of chaos. Khorne=Rage/Wrath. Nurgle =gluttony & sloth leaving Pride (Chaos Space Marines?) Greed and Lust. All three would have to translate to a miniature or miniatures that convey the idea to many cultures. Greed can be good and bad. Pride can be both as well. Lust lends itself to sexual innuendo at minimum and will not be well tolerated by parents making purchases.
It can be done but there is not necessarily universal translations for these ideas
Maybe for 40k but aos figured out how to do non sex excess a long time ago
In some cases, but a lot of it still boils down to being fast and torturing people. I don't really think they dip into the excesses of different styles.
If you are not against proxying and 3d printing I'd would suggest to look into Bestiarum Miniatures's Court of Balazar. If I was to make an AoS Slaanesh army I would probably go for those models but I probably won't because they creep me out a lot... Which is perfect for Slaanesh so Slaanesh's lovers go look for those if you can 3d print or know someone who can because those models are really great for Slaanesh.
I have been complaining about this for a while. My understanding of Slannesh was that she represented excess and not just murder sex, but that seems to be just about the only thing available from GW.
I want some of the models you proposed. I loved the voyeur model idea you had.
Like the concept of a lot of new Slannesh models being emaciated to symbolize obsession over something.
Glutos: excess greed
masque: excess performance
Helbane: excess instinct
keepers: excess incarnate
epitope: excess desire
syl'esseke: excess synchronization
synessa/dexcessa: excess synchronization/music
chariots: excess speed
its there, you just gotta look, not to mention looking into emperors children.
but yeah, i agree that there should be more forward themes and designs
It’s probably hard to make it look menacing and badass I’d assume
I think the boobs out miniatures of the 1980s which I saw as a kid have been scaled down / swept under the carpet by the GW design team. Also for WH40K people have wanted an Emperors Children codex and new miniature range but alas decades have passed and nothing much - a few upgrade sprues and a limited edition guitar playing mini.
I dont play tabletop but what if there some unit that love to be beaten up and when it does, it can "move faster" to bash the target.
Or a painter that paints horror stuff.
Oh yeah, that would be cool. A unit that actually wants to be hurt.
I think 40k Slaanesh could use some mortal followers. I wish there were mortal followers of Slaanesh.
Similar to jahkals?
@Ayahuasca98 I'm talking about Emperor's Children.
@@thorscape3879 I’m talking about like how
Khorne has world eaters but also a group of cultists called Jackals or something
@@Ayahuasca98 And I'm making a joke about Emperor's Children.
Woosh
I'm thinking for the Greed ones, like instead of just the gold horde type stuff, it's almost like they're drenched in molten gold, could make them larger in scale to almost say like they're so obsessed with not losing their stash that they straight up eat their own money which could tie into gluttony then and just the general sense of excess.
I know GW are toying around with Daemonettes looking different since they did that Slaanesh Underworld set thing for AOS with the bloated and fat Daemonette which lead that group. As a whole though I agree with you, Slaanesh is just something they don't know what to do with mainly due to yeah washing a bit of the stuff away to appeal to younger audiences, not to mention just like, Vices are somehow more Taboo than literal murder a lot of the time now
Lol, I think your last sentence is strangely right on the mark.
GW never seriously knew what to do with Slaanesh beside the "female demons seducing people" archetype. They tried to shoehorn everything into Slaaneesh of being excess in anything and then things became very confusing again, oh you can be obsessed with practically anything but most of the things are not interesting on the tabletop. And most average people still think Slaanesh is only about sexuality and BDSM and pain but you also can't show those if you want to keep your products from going 18+ so that's never gonna work either.
Well there’s the EC are coming for 40k so that might give you some insight as to where GW are going.
From a real perspective of demons and mortal sin, you're missing the point. Demons use temptation against _us,_ not indulge in those things, themselves. For example, Greed would have things to lure their prey, not things which they, the demons, are obsessed about. And, this being a war game and all, it could be weapons, armor, treasures, and even things which then become "objectives", that pin down the enemy unit or character so that they can't go around killing enemies, claiming legitimate objectives, etc. For things like Pride, Lust, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth, Wrath...
Well, the sky is the limit, really. I'm not sure how the rules work these days (old, 3rd edition fan, here!), but using Envy as an example, it could work by turning a unit or character against its fellows (animosity, in game terms). Wrath would make them exceedingly angry and unable to do anything until they kill or drive off the "offending" unit/character. Sloth would cause them to sit and be idle or move off the battlefield altogether, not caring about the fight anymore. Lust would send them into a frenzy of... well, you know!
The point is, the Slaanesh demons, spells, special units etc would seek to lure others into those things. At least, if being _realistic_ about how actual demons function is the goal. Of course, a particular model meant to represent a particular temptation would have to have the look. For example, Wrath would look furious, Greed would have the look of avarice, and so forth.
Jut my two cents (well, more like a dollar, due to inflation, but you get the idea!).
I see nothing but hate for Slaanesh all the time, refreshing to see someone actually speaking thoughtfully on the subject!
Hey thanks!
Slish is could be an interesting and dynamic opponent but workshop focuses solely on the torture. It would be interesting to have a group that uses someone’s greed or Everest against them or something other there are there is a reason there are seven deadly sins and let’s not get into pride, I mean more than that could fall to that one
10:15 that’s Fabius Bile. You’re describing Fabius Bile.
Oh you're right! I hadn't even thought of that. Although he really needs some sort of big fleshy golem monster to walk around with
Hmm... Well if we are going to go with the full 7 deadly sins... and since we already have some history of it. Why don't they bring back the dead Aldarei gods as Demi god Daemon princes of the 7 excesses. Then you can get really tragic with all the fallen gods and this vice they could never shake.
Great idea!
Ever since certain cultures emerged GW has been really hesitant to express the things that real life culture enjoys as “bad” or to portray some life - styles as not good
I'm not really into AoS, I like 40k. And for me Slaanesh is least interesting god if we talking about miniatures.
Emperors Children are almost not existed. 2 ancient units (Lucius and noise marines) and that's all.
And I'm not huge fan of Slaanesh demons. Why the hell almost all of them have these damn crab claws? Slaanesh is god of crustaceans?
And I don't understand why GW didn't release new Emperors Children army yet. A lot of people asked this for many years. GW constantly releases new units and whole new fractions, but no EC. EC is part of Chaos which is one of the main sides in the setting, there are a lot of books and lore about EC from Great Crusade and Heresy to M42.
I highly doubt that kroot army (part of the not very popular Tau) or Leagues of Votann (which finally got their first novell just this month) are more popular than EC.
Very cool ideas
Thank you! 😊
There should slanesh units that are obsessed with collecting miniatures!
Lol, it's just a normal looking dude with modern clothing and a couple army transports on his base.
@@LetsTalkTabletop That's practically just Trazyn.
i agree
They're long past delving into truly dark themes and imagery. Gotta maintain that mass-appeal. You know, the mass appeal of one of the most cost prohibitive, niche, nerd enthusiast hobbies in all of existence.
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Sob and cry about it
@@charlesb.1945 what?
Watches video, looks up Slaanesh NSFW, dissapointed by how little there actually is.
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This is why I'll always love Ian Watsons books. His description of Slaanesh worshippers shows the excesses and wierd sex stuff they get into. They would never allow those kind of books now. It's why I preferred the grimdark tv show Lexx over Farscape. Sex has got to be booming in a galaxy as overpopulated as the one in 40k.
I’ll take never before uttered opinions for 500.
I think the core problem is that excess inherently just isn't great for units in a game that includes kids and teens as its target audience.
It veers into various sensitive subjects far too quickly. Which isn't great when you want to make a relativly family friendly game. There's really only a handfull of options that can be considered safe in that sense.
Also, the army needs to be somewhat coherent. Combining different types of excess will quickly result in a mismatched army. Which further complicates things.
And of course there's the problem of stepping on the toes of other armies. And that's not just limited to stepping on the toes of other chaos factions. For example, the emanciapated hungry unit you describe is just FEC in AoS.
Slaanesh is really not an army kids should play, but teenagers will, as the idea appeals to them.
Muddying the look with different types of excess is indeed a problem though. I mean, if you want to include gluttony, I would just give you an ogre army to convert, after all, they are all about it.
@@krinkrin5982 The issue is those kids will still encounter it. You can't exactly go and hide the boxes of Slaanesh units in the back of the store and only allow older customers access or something. GW would not be happy with that kind of solution.
And even ignoring the age-appropriateness of the sensitive subjects, there's the simply fact that these subjects don't fit well with the rest of the tabletop.
The tabletop is far too busy parodying sci-fi to treat such sensitive topics in an appropriate way. If you want to incorperate these things you'd need to do it in a more serious game/book/whatever (e.g. it could work in a 40K horror game or something... as long as it takes its subject matter seriously)
@@kakalukio I agree that it would probably fit far better into the novel and RPG space, rather than the tabletop, as it would both allow for more serious topics and for the individual miniatures to be better curated. It will also allow for a much wider variety without destroying the cohesion of an army.
Last time I bought a mini was 20 plus years ago but gw hire this man
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A sloth demon that barely moves, sucking in its victims maybe, inflicting lethargy and breaking the will of whoever ventures too close. That idea is rough, but there could be a gem in there somewhere.
Oh yeah, like a dampening/depressing effect on enemies!
believe it or not, sopaphoric musk on the fiends
Enough of that shit. Bring back Doomrider!
I said it earlier but I find the Choas gods to be utterly weak to the point where if they needed to fight outside their setting, they would get folded.
Everyone but Nurgle depends on people willingly give up their soul to power them, they say "oh we are too busy fighting each other to focus on the mortals!" But.. they literally got scared of G man with Big E sword and regularly hide in 999999999 fortresses that instantly kill any intruder.. like bro who are trying to scare? Your own creations? 😂
Khrone talks all about fighting but he hasnt "won" a fight and skillset is a mildly effective memer.
Tzeentch could and couldnt do anything mainly cuz he couldnt remember what to do.
Slapanest is just...weird, like she did something and forever became a titanic jobber. 😂
I wish 40k wasnt so purposefully covered in ultramarine glue and allowed to move like.. 2 inches forward.
That’s the point dude, they corrupt people they don’t care about “winning”
The Chaos gods don't need followers to exist though? Like fighting feeds Khorne regardless of who's doing it, because he's the embodiment of Anger and War, Tzeentch just gets fed by the notion of Ambition, and Slaanesh gets fed by basically anything anyone wants to perfect
Because it would become increasingly more difficult to justify other factions/subfactions? So, the gluttony approach - why aren’t Ogre’s highly susceptible? What about the Great Maw? Greed? Dwarfs are greedy, right? Why aren’t they susceptible? What are Chaos Dwarfs for now? There’s allot of cross over and redundancy by introducing themes like that.
Just my initial thoughts on the subject.
They should just make some nc17 s&m type units only sold 2 adults w the shackles leather strapping spikes collars all that type of stuff. Maybe some other ones involving substance abuse like narco zombies/speed zombies etc. I liked yr voyer unit that was a great idea.
Are you joking? Wtf are they going to do? Keep them in the back behind a curtain and check your ID before you but them? Jfc dude
GW *wants* Slaanesh to be the god of lust, but they can’t get that past standards and practices. That’s why they go with this sanitized torture nonsense, and invest very little innovation into the character. All things honest? I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t eventually kill Slaanesh off and replace it with something more PG rated.
“Sanitized torture nonsense” wtf are you smoking?
They are best kill it off and replace with Malal or malice. They had the opportunity with the ynaari
Malal? Naw how about Zuvassin and Necoho
Worst idea I’ve heard all month 👍
Woke GW battling with their own nonsense. 3d printer go brrrr
The irony of claiming GW are battling woke when the main problem with Slaanesh is it's little more than torture porn and dominatrixes because that's what appeals to the tragic, sweaty little minds of so many of its customers.
Dead meme go brrrrrr stfu
Pretty shallow analysis of what Slaanesh is, and represents, currently. He is more than just lust, sadism, and vanity. He is the Chaos God of Excess; in all things. I suspect you aren’t up to date with the lore updates in AOS. And you missed a lot of what the AoS range actually represents. You should do more extensive research before making these type of videos, rather than just a cursory glance at surface level themes.
I like your idea of more body horror though. Although, it’s quite polarising; people generally love it or hate it. There’re already quite a few elements on the models that could be painting up as flesh instead of decadent fabrics; such as the stockings on the Fiends and Keeper of Secrets.
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@@LetsTalkTabletop Huh? That's the video I commented on... You can paste the link all you like, but my point still stands.
Slaanesh isn't the god of obsession or sin though...
Yeah, obsession isn't exactly the same as excess, but if someone's obsessed they're excessively interested in something. So I think it's similar.
Yes they are
It is pronounced Slaagnesh
No it is not
You are missing the point. Gw needs to put the 'slag' back to slaagnesh
Bruh this is lame
Just play Kingdom Death my dude, they do Slaanesh better than GW