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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
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So....this video comes when the right wants to cancel netflix?
Cancelling is always bad.....the left and right are all post modernists.......
We are all equally terrible.....
Dude, i used to love yoir stuff....what happened to you? Youve tried SOOOO hard to be a centrist that youve totally lost the plot
Uh, you can watch my cuties video from two days ago if you really want to see my opinion on cancelling netflix. (read: it's probably a good idea) But my point isn't that i think we're all equally terrible. I don't. My point is, my own subjectivity is not enough to declare something good or bad.
You miss the point.
@CTB It's more that I don't think so highly of myself that my thinking i'm right actually means that i am right.
@@ShortFatOtaku when did objectivity stop being a strong argument? Ie. "Up" is "up", and your subjective opinion doesnt matter?
It's not even "the right" that wants to cancel Netflix. It's basically the one point in the last 4 years that the left and the right are unifying behind. You have people on Twitter who are self-proclaimed communists with hammer and sickle avatars calling for the cancellation of Netflix too. It's pretty much everyone who's not a lefty "journalist" or "critic".
GamerGate was fighting journalists that weren't doing their jobs. Fighting for meritocracy.
Offensive tweets do not influence someones job merit.
Feminists taking over video games to push thier agenda.
Absolutely this.
he has some point but there are limitations... especially when it plays out against ideals... like gaming media should be informing the public because we are the customer... but its about self-dealing and self-service because in the end they dont make enough off of us or they can find more elsewhere whether its money or sex.
Didn't Gamer Gate start because game jurnos basically came out and cancelled gamers as a subculture as misogynists?
Abhh but it might harm the company's image so yes it does. Keep your shitposts on a separate account people.
Objective truth and subjective truth are two separate things. A subjective truth is oranges taste better than apple's. An objective truth is that touching fire with your bare hands will burn them. And post modernists try to claim that the one is the same as the other.
@@joaco8442 Why bother to change laws when you can simply alter the meaning of words to alter the meaning of those laws?
"Im going to tell MY truth" is the scariest statement ive heard all year. Post truth age for real.
MauLer has to put up with this shit way too often, a discussion between him and Dev would be awesome.
@@kizzagt Gravity's just a theory, maaaaaan
The truth is never subjective. There is only objective truth and subjective perception.
I believe in boycotting businesses for making horrible business decisions, that’s how the free market works. It’s when you relentlessly target individuals where it is wrong.
Seven V threats are definitely not boycotts.
Pretty much this. It's not cool to use the same tactics CEOs of various corporations and businesses use on each other against regular people who lack the resources and know-how to handle these tricky situations. Even moreso when the aggressor is savvy in these tactics, it's incredibly underhanded.
@@SpookyTanukiGaming Agreed.
I don't really join boycotts, but businesses that make decisions I dislike do not get my money and I'm vocal about it.
I consider EA to be a completely unethical company and I refuse to give them any more of my money. The last time I bought an EA game was 2014.
Choosing whether to consume or not is your right. Attempting to keep someone from making a living isn't your right. While Nike is asking something from you, a person isn't. You could even say that cancelling individuals is anticonstitutional because you're given a right to work. Cancelling a person isn't done out of a need to bring ethical justice. It's done to hurt this individual in an economic way, with the objective of preventing them from being able to communicate or punishing them for a perceived slight.
hombreg1 perfectly worded
Gamergate was self-defence.
I think everybody thinks that, about their cancelling efforts. But if the only difference between them and us is "we think we're right", well, they think that too. It's not much of a difference.
@@ShortFatOtaku being anti corruption isnt subjective though.
Gamergaters were objectively correct.
@@NicTheGreek1979 yeah he's really off on this one. Gamergate was about people being corrupt in their actual careers not what they did outside of it.
@@ShortFatOtaku How is me refusing to visit Kotaku, IGN and every other website involved in the Gamers Are Dead smear campaign canceling them?
How is me sending letters to my favorite devs thanking them for their hard work and praising their games canceling anyone?
More to the point, consumer boycott is not cancel culture. Unless you can, with a straight face, say that black americans boycotting businesses that had racist practices during Jim Crow is also cancel culture.
eyy, its robin hood
I think you're conflating a boycott with cancelling.
Gamergate wasn't about getting people fired it was about getting them held responsible for their actions, not their views.
Views being thoughts, not actions. Actions that effected the outside world that everyone else inhabits. Not the world in an individual's head wjere thoughts dwell.
It was more about the lack of integrity when it came to doing their job. You know about actually doing their job and not necessarily them just having an arguably bad take.
Definitively. I unsubscribed to Disney+ when they fired Gina Carano. Because I don't like how the acted. It wasn't cancel culture, since "vote with your wallet" has always been the tool of a liberal capitalist society. Cancel Culture isn't about "you should lose money" it's "You should lose everything you have! If we legally could we would probably shoot you". It's destructive.
Boycotts is in a sense constructive. It sends the message: Your product isn't good.
@@TheAurgelmir BASED
@@TheAurgelmir : You mean because she's an absolute moron with no sense of the historical record who claims that anything she doesn't like is the holocaust? Her statements clearly send a message: that she's an idiot.
I dunno, liking Vaush is pretty indefensible.
Remember when he defended pedophiles because his computer has silicon in it? Good times.
@@guanglaikangyi6054 link lol?
@@Chroncitrus ua-cam.com/video/eRJNQfVzV0s/v-deo.html
@Sam B by being the least radical element of it?
@Sam B i fail to see how?
You can disagree with sargon but comparing the two seems like a false equivalent.
There is a major difference with cancelNetflix vs what leftists regularly engage in. The usual cancel culture attack angle is an appeal to authority to squash the offender. Demanding employers, advertisers, or the state scrub the offending entity from sight. In the case of cancelNetflix, at least from what I have seen of it is the opposite. It is an appeal to the people and their personal morality to literally cancel their netflix subscriptions. It is a bit of schadenfreude that the term cancel is applicable in this case but it is so in a different way than traditional cancel culture.
I agree. There's a huge difference from censoring an individual or banning what they can put out into the world, limiting their ability to support themselves and just walking away or not purchasing their output. It's a fairly easy distinction to make, so anyone conflating the two is disingenuous or flat out thick as a post.
I suspect that the cancel crowd might prefer to muddy the two, not only to justify their behaviour but to gaslight or edge out people who might be convinced by the argument and strengthen their cultural monopoly.
Then don't call it #CancelNetflix. Why it it so hard to understand?
@@0bzen22 cancel as in cancelling a subscription is correct use of the word. If you want to co opt it into meaning something else that's your lookout.
@@0bzen22 Netflix is not an individual it doesn't matter. If it were a mom and pop shop I would be much more concerned. Small businesses suffer the most from "cancel culture" which I'm sure is planned and why this crap is being perpetuated gleefully.
@@0bzen22 nobody is trying to get the director of the movie to off herself.
If they were, That would be equivalent to the left's cancel culture.
Canceling Netflix is not cancel culture
It is boycotting...
If it were a mom and pop shop I would be much more concerned. Small businesses suffer the most from "cancel culture" which I'm sure is planned by corporatism and why this crap is being perpetuated gleefully. But yeah Netflix is a corporation and I could not care less about their bottom line!
One day No reason
The term “vote with your dollar” is the simplest form of civic engagement.
Mom and pop shop or not, if they are selling products that I think are morally wrong, by taking my businesses elsewhere, I can send them a simple message: “do better”
I figured "cancel Netflix" meant "cancel your Netflix subscription" you know, the actual proper meaning of canceling something. If I cancel a subscription to something that's just me ending my service.
TheGuyWhoIsSitting
That is now being conflated with “cancel culture”
Cancelling would be harrassing and trying to ruin the director of Cuties.
Saying you won't pay Netflix for content you find morally abhorrent is just a boycott. There's no undue attack against a single person for what may have been out of context or just a mistake. There's no attempt to demonize anyone. Just people choosing how to use their money.
There's a difference between targeting a corporation and an individual dev.
The difference between Cancel Culture and whatever Gamergate was is that games journos spent weeks to months attempting to gaslight and cover up. Multiple troves of evidence had to be uncovered before the movement even started. Gamergate also told the journos what types of changes would actually appease the group. Some just wanted it canceled but the meat of the movement wanted reform.
The anti-Gamergate movement was Cancel Culture, they wanted Gaters identified, shamed and canceled. Gamergate itself was more akin to a boycot... which is, you know, possible when you're largely a group that actually enjoys and supports the product. By contrast Cancel Culture is almost always people nearly 0 affinity towards the subject attempting to shutdown something they've never cared about and possibly never experienced or even attempted to.
A boycott that didn't work, BTW. Anti-SJWs love saying #LearntoCode but they didn't make their own games. Remember when Sargon said he was going to make a video game?
This is an important distinction between the two. I'm surprised Dev is looking at this shallowly. Did he just read the wiki and nothing else?
@@dragonknightleader1 Yeah, that was lame. Using his status as game developer in arguments for years, then bailing out when his channel took over most of his time. Altough to be fair he refunded all kickstarter donations
@@dragonknightleader1 To be completely fair to sargon, he clearly was working on games, he showed off a tonne of shit he had made in a live stream ages ago. Some of it looked fun, definitely more impressive than a twine text adventure.
GamerGate was different dude. You had a whole industry that was flat out lying to its consumers. You wanted a correction in that industry. when someone says something wrong and they get canceled for it well that's different You're talking about correcting the industry that had gone wrong
Gamergate: "Make your own, leave ours alone."
Cancel culture: "NEVER MAKE ANYTHING EVER AGAIN."
If so, then why the threats of rape and murder then? I can't quite grok what one has to do with the other.
@@ggunnelspct That's just the internet for you. Hell, I used to get rape and death threats back when you could send PMs on UA-cam. There's always going to be crazy people, especially in an anonymous mob.
GameJournos and their friends just reported those messages to try to deflect from the issues.
@@Lobsterwithinternet The issues being what exactly? I think the main issue is what always happens when people innovate and threaten the status quo - it upsets incumbents and they get nasty about it - be it in government, or in any marketplace. This is why it took so long, to give an analogy, for baseball to adopt Sabermetrics.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Indeed, given the crackpot and wholly irrational conspiracy theories that went along with Gamergate we can see one of the typical ways people resist change - by making shit up out of whole cloth to protect themselves via epistemic closure.
@@ggunnelspct Being the lack of ethical standards in gaming journalism and the insidious relationships and ideological gatekeeping that led to the former.
It's almost like you haven't watched the video that you're commenting on that explains that exact thing.
I noticed that social media, twitter especially, was rapidly deteriorating my mental health about a year and a half ago. I took a 7 month break from it and came back. I used it way less but still noticed that it was resulting in a generally more pessimistic and upset mood every time I spent more than 10 minutes on it. Two weeks ago I decided to just check it for a few minutes at the end of the night after work was over and I've seen a remarkable increase in not only how stress free I feel lately but how happy I've been since.
I still watch You, Sargon, Tim Pool, etc... but even with all the of potentially stressful news and events being brought to my attention through that, the largest form of stress relief and increase in mental health came from reducing my social media time to just what is necessary to see updates or post something myself.
congrats man!! glad to see you're doing better
That reminds me of Mean World Syndrome. Back in the 1970s, psychologists figured out that watching too much TV news makes viewers perceive the world as more dangerous than it really is. Overexposure to media makes you blackpilled.
Thanks. I mostly just check Harper and her crew's twitter now. I somehow got friendly with them and I figure it's always worth the check just to see if Harper posted cringe or something actually funny.
whozzat?
Social media is a cancer, specially Twitter, Instagram and Facebook
GamerGate was about going after corrupt individuals who were destroying a hobby and a medium that is enjoyed by billions
Cancel Culture is just about Canceling people for "Wrong Think" for something they did years ago
There is a difference
But a difference only we could identify, that's his point. We basically exist in parallel metaphysical realities at this point, we have different ideologies, moralities, and philosophies which are almost totally at odds with each other. So from a disconnected and disinterested objective position outside of the dichotomy its clear that both are internally consistent, we just happen to disagree because the things we value are different. From there it's clear that our certainty and faith in a particular vision of reality is the only discernible difference from that vantage point. So to that end the only way to combat them isn't to swing wild but to use their own logic against them, in a similar way as was done to the Christians at the beginning of the 21st century. He's most certainly not making a moral comparison, that's quite literally the sum total of this even though he doesn't properly formulate it, this is an amoral view, outside of the petty constraints of how things ought to be.
Funny how Kraut is now making better content than ever before and people from the killstream were found out to be doxxers.
2 minutes in and the base of his "both sides" argument is already conflating boycotting a company and cancelling a person.
He's been doing it a lot lately. I was really pissed off with the conflating of cop tactics to protect lives with malicious actions to harm them (e.g. slashing car tires as a riot line passes).
As a Canadian. I love watching other Canadians and other talking heads from across the pond talking about the US for 28 minutes and trying to make it relevant to their countries with vastly fucking different from a legal and social stand point. Dude sounds pompous as fuck. But hey anime fan, obviously galaxy brain.
He does it constantly lmao he jumps on the cancellation if he gets views and thinks sapience is the argument for abortion. He's like tim pool leftist olive branch to seem like they're not all nutjobs
GamerGate wasn't simple cancel culture. The journalists fired first, trying to cancel their own readers.
"Jonathan Haidt- a very well known conservative"
Haidt is definitely *not* a conservative. He's called himself a liberal and a centrist; he said on Sam Harris' podcast that he voted for Hillary and thought it was disastrous for public discourse that Trump won in 2016.
Sorry but Shoe would not talk with others and still will not even look up how medicare even works while she promotes it.
She needs to be ignored
>listening to women
>ever
Paulo Salles what fraction of shoe’s subscribers are motivated by simping? 1/3, 1/2? It’s a lot for sure
@@ZombieLicorice most to these days are just Bernie fans. I liked he better when she and A.S. Where skeptics
@@ZombieLicorice too many
What makes Gamer Gate different from Cancel Culture? Simple, during Gamer Gate journalists were actually giving fraudulent reviews and violating their ethics. Cancel Culture pulls the trigger over people expressing opinions, not whether or not they do their jobs correctly. It's a bit disingenuous of you to conflate the two.
THANK YOU!
To address your first point, belief has nothing to do with it. The defining difference is whether the actions affect the product being provided. An actor saying the wrong thing on Twitter doesn't affect their acting ability in a movie, but a game journo writing a positive story about a game whose developer he/she slept with affects the product being served, that product being game reviews. When the action affects the choices of a consumer negatively through deceit it is justified, being offensive in and of itself but not affecting the choices otherwise is not justified.
Reactionary just means anyone who opposes the "revolutionaries"
i am a proud counter-revolutionary
@@ShortFatOtaku I am a proud anti-revolutionary. As in, fuck, my hands are tired from revolving the goddamn wheel.
Stop conflating boycotts and criticizing corruption as cancel culture. This is an awful take.
If it is about boycotting a mom and pop shop I would be much more concerned. Small businesses suffer the most from "cancel culture" which I'm sure is planned by corporatism and why this crap is being perpetuated gleefully. Same with the Varus
Nobody cancelled Kraut, nobody cancelled Shoe, Gamergate didn't cancel anyone.
Criticism is not cancel culture, no matter how loud it is.
I still dont really understand why Kraut got cancelled. Wasn’t it because he said the alt right was dumb about genetics or something. Why was that controversial?
@@Eirik_Bloodaxe He apparently had a server dedicating to doxing certain members of the alt-right who he was debating against
That was the allegation at the time, not sure if things turned out to be more nuanced than that
He lost and ran away is what happened. I liked Kraut up until that nonsense. He used to make some sense. What the hell happened to him?
@@Cunnysmythe Well it turned out to be a lie. Braving ruin who had released the audio files claimed that they contained evidence of Kraut planning to doxx someone but he himself actually had no idea what was in those recordings.
Iirc they actually contained Krauts doxx
@Qwerty Bastard she's gone more insanerer than before so people don't want to deal with her anymore is all.
"For what it's worth, I'm sorry"
Dev is the most genuine (and Canadian) political commentator.
t-thanks
@@ShortFatOtaku uwu
Sorry eh, don’t know what that was all aboot
Who cancelled shoe, anyway? she seems to be doing well on breadtube
Yea because all 'cancel culture' is the same.
It is definitely a fair comparison to compare cancelling over 'mean words' and cancelling over actual corruption or child porn.
Oof, definitely a bad take.
@@MVargic cause that word salad had anything to do with what I said. Good job.
"Social media is turning an entire generation of people into sociopaths" THANK YOU ♥️
You think Krauts conduct in the preceding years is that of a good person?
yes
Given his pathological hatred and the horrid shit hes done to your friends I have no idea to what fucking standards hes operating under.
The shit he said about scrump was fucking horseshit.
@@d133710n
Isn’t kraut a doxer?
I don't think #cancelnetflix means social media cancel. I think means subscription cancel. I mean obviously they're being trashed on social media as well.
I don't know how you can mix up leftists unpersoning people with all others fighting back against this. Before leftists did that, there was no problem.
I understood "cancel Netflix" to be "cancel your account and stop giving them money", not "get them shut down completely". I canceled my subscription and I urge others to do the same
Gamergate was more like a boycott than cancel culture. The difference is that GG was for the most part focused on criticizing the bad actions of game journos and the industry at large, but modern cancel culture is more about destroying someone's life and livelihood due to a slight, whether it only percieved or actually real. They destroy and don't even ask questions later.
This never would have happened if you damn kids hadn't started using your real names on the internet.
Jonathan Haidt a Conservative ?!?
He describes himself as a progressive regularly.
Big oof there.
That one caught me by surprise as well. The simple fact that he's not a mad marxist now seems to mean he's a conservative, what a world...
"...and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but to deliverance from evil."
It's an admirable sentiment, but like all things easier said than done.
5:26 cack-o-phoney
OOPS
@@ShortFatOtaku Dev is cancelled for his horrible pronunciation.
@@SuperLlama42 #ShortFatCancelled
Booooooo lol
@@ShortFatOtaku UNSUBBED
Simple difference: the targets of Gamergate were accused of _fraud,_ and moreover it was a fight they started. They tried to cancel gamers as a group long before we retaliated. Or are we forgetting the "Gamers Dont Have To Be Your Audience" articles that all came out on the same day? Are we forgetting GamesJournoPros?
Jonathan Haidt would reject being characterized as a conservative.
The left don't care anyone. Everyone who disagrees with them is a "rightist". They've gone full commie.
And here I was thinking the real issue of GG was to call out triple a companies forcing good reviews of bad games by threatening to pull advertising money from sites. Somehow it got hijacked by discussions of sexism cause some indie developer nobody heard of gave a bj. Misdirection so good almost everybody lost the plot.
I think you're drinking the kool-aid
wat
Kraut left, came back, and completely turned his channel around. He makes great content now.
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Is he usually correct in his long recent videos though? A UA-camr by the name of The Distributist made a response video to Kraut on his Japan video for being very misleading at best.
Besides, Kraut isn't even part of the Skeptics or anti-SJW community anymore because Sargon and his friends, including Vee, have distanced themselves from him. Then again, anti-SJW commentaries aren't even relevant anymore because they don't understand the the deeper issues which led to people moving away from the center.
@@1685Violin i'm still the center and i think what i have to say is relevant.
@@1685Violin he's made a lot of videos. Some of them are probably not as good as others but overall hes making good videos.
@@ShortFatOtaku You can call yourself a centrist all you want but remember that "enlightened centrists" hate you for being a "hypocritical" anti-SJW. I have debated with them and they always call anti-SJWs like you worse than SJWs while ignoring the violence caused by the far-left. That's why "centrism" is bound to failure and capitulation to the far left. Those enlightened centrists are nothing but fence sitting sophists.
How could main stream media and regular people react to Cuties and Netflix in general without social media or the internet?
Imagine this was like 2004, when the internet wasn’t as widespread as it is now.
Back then, Cuties would have remained at Cannes and most people wouldn't have seen it.
pretty piss poor take dev.
The difference is simple. Gamergate was about "get these politics out of my hobby" while Cancel Culture is "get these people out of my politics"
Gamergate was Cancel Culture only in the sense that it was about cancelling ideology and propaganda. It was about fighting ideas, not people.
Meanwhile, Cancel Culture already showed it's not really about politics, it's about bending people to someone else's whims.
Best way to explain it: If the journalists went back to writing objective articles and the devs went back to just making games, everyone would shut up and be done with it.
However Cancel Culture has already shown you what they do to anyone that apologizes.
"Mobs chase murderers!"-Vaush 2020, intellectual giant and scholar
Jonathan Haidt is not a conservative...
I don't understand what you mean by participating in cancel culture against Kraut and Shoe. All we've been doing is mocking Shoe getting all buddy buddy with the far left BreadTube kids. I don't see anyone who was calling to have Shoe cancelled.
Same for Kraut - we've all laughed at his "right wingers to monitor" Discord server - I don't remember anyone calling for him to be cancelled, but I know personally I've stopped watching Kraut and Shoe because they're both unwilling to engage with the moderates and right wing in an honest manner.
You need to elaborate on what you mean by these two. Me choosing to not consume their content because they've gotten stupid is not me engaging in cancel culture.
I think there’s a difference if someone does corrupt actions that is tied to their occupation and if someone does something within their private life that is controversial.
I believe there are vectors that are legitimate and illegitimate in regards to "cancel culture" it's inappropriate to fire someone over personal statements unless they are made as a representative of or in some capacity directly related to the company where they are employed. A company is reasonable in preserving their brand and image but I do not believe it is acceptable for that preservation to extend into the private lives of employees unless the employee is speaking about the company or as an employee of said company. I don't believe there are illegitimate reasons to boycott a company because companies aren't entitled to sales in the same way that individuals are entitled to personal life. A company coercing another company into or out of a political stance is something I can't view as ever legitimate especially using underhanded internal pressures. This is a fascinating form of coercion that we haven't had to deal with as much but now we do and we should discuss what is procedurally "fair game" and what isn't. I could probably write several pages of specifics given enough time but I think this broadly summarizes my stance.
This passive, no one is better than any one else, all opinions are equal stance you take dev is really childish.
Obviously some people are better than others, some choices are better than others, some things are true and some things are false.
No one is saying they or you are the arbiter of morality or truth, but some issues are cleanly black and white and people use sophistry to try and make it look grey.
You should judge people who have bad ideas and make stupid mistakes.
Since you brought up gamergate, I do think there're many points that separate gamergate from your typical leftist outrage mob, which make it immeasurably more valid.
1) Gamergate was made up of gamers, about gaming. Not a group of twitter activists unrelated to the subject.
2) The issues were directly related to the work being done and the "news" sites themselves, not an unrelated tweet on someone's personal account years ago.
3) It wasn't just the political views being expressed that issue was taken with. It was that politics were being pushed at all. It was the cronyism and general corruption. Once again, all directly part of the work in question rather than something separate to the businesses, or the jobs.
4) It was in part retaliation to an attempt to cancel ALL GAMERS AND GAMING CULTURE.
5) It didn't follow the people in question outside of the gaming industry and continue to try to destroy them; cancel them. I'd say this is what made it not cancel culture. Of course there's trolls that will try to mess with anyone they can, but if some activist calling themselves a journalist got kicked out and left, or made a good faith attempt to change themselves like Ian Miles Cheong did (I know that didn't work out), GG wasn't interested in them anymore. Hurting people was never the goal in and of itself.
When you said talcum X I immediately thought of memology lol
Are you sure Jonathan Heidt is conservative? He says he has always been rather liberal in the American sense growing up and personally in some of his books.
But sometimes there are definitive answers to political questions based on data or common sense. For example Slavery is always bad. If I insist that slavery is always bad am I trying to sell you something? I don't think so. Same with the issue of gun control. If you look into the issue and do a lot of research. You will find that gun control laws are not effective and do not stop "rampage" style lone wolf shootings. If I insist that mass shootings are caused by media and cultural problems rather than gaps in the law. Am I trying to sell you something? I don't think so. What if I say rioting is bad. if I insist on that am I trying to sell you something? I don't think so
Everything is a transaction, you are selling an idea.
'If I insist that slavery is always bad am I trying to sell you something?'
you are trying to sell me on not using slavery for whatever purpose i would want, which would mean an increased cost for anything that required labour.
You think someone cannot own someone else. That's not going to work with someone that doesn't view the world in the same light.
so while I agree with you on both slavery bad and gun control bad, not everyone will, and as such you have to convince those that are neutral or disagree that you are correct. Sadly, at the end of the day it doesn't come down to who is correct or incorrect on any given matter, but who can convince others that they are the ones that are correct.
I really don't think Gun Control is a settled issue. I support 2A, but from what data I've seen, the gun amnesty in Australia was largely successful. I'm not sure it would work in the US, but on the other hand would not be keen on American levels of gun ownership in my native UK.
@@daveirate138 shows us the data you've seen. Did murder rates go down in Aus or were murders simply done without guns? I mean I know the answer it's just funny to see how people dont understand how reality works.
@@daveirate138 The Australian gun buyback did not work for 2 main reasons 1. It was not mandatory so only a few people turned over their guns 2. The drop in violent crime in Australia also just so happened to coincided with the drop in violent crime in other western nations. In all western nations the violent crime rate has been going steadily down since the late 80's. So I highly doubt it was the buy back that caused Australia's crime rite to drop. It was probably other things likely the economy.
@@gingerbeargames But even at the time of America's founding. Many of the founding fathers were against slavery or at the very least the issue of slavery/what does the US do with the slaves. Would become a problem later....and they were right. In fact some people who argued for slavery argued against the concept of capitalism and even called them selves anti-capitalists. So even way back 200 some odd years ago people knew that slavery was bad and would cause problems. I would argue common sense data never tries to sell anyone anything. People do have gut sense of basic moral compass of what's right and what's wrong.
If you follow these natural instincts it will lead you to certain good conclusions. That's not to say that people's compass can't be corrupted or influenced. But I am of the firm belief that if you sit people down and talk to them they will agree to certain foundational moral truths as a base line and go from there. But I guess we disagree on the nature of man I am not saying you necessarily wrong either.
I just think there are moral laws that follow a moral foundation from which everyone can move from just like there are laws in physics. While you think the free market of ideas or the more charismatic person wins at the end of the day as your base.
Gamergate was not cancel-culture unless you consider the industry players trying to "cancel" their customer base as cancel-culture.
The player and customer base gave a big wtf-moment to the industry and the industry responded with metaphorical guns blazing.
No offence meant SFO but this needs saying:
Your takes have been getting pretty bad recently, bro, I'm not sure what's going on with you, it's just that so much you've been saying has been flat out wrong.
ok, what
@@ShortFatOtaku GG was Cancel Culture for starters.
Cancelling NetFlix is actually cancelling a subscription to a service, a legitimate option for paying customers, not engaging in cancel culture.
And I know the right-of-center YT audience is unhappy with Sh0e, but who is calling for her cancellation?
Gamergate was about resisting subversive elements sneaking their way into our hobbies. That's what makes it different from cancel culture.
I was open to both sides of the argument regarding Kraut at the time that whole thing went down. Clearly some of the claims against him were exaggerated, and the same goes for Jeff Holiday. But I think it's going too far to just exonerate them altogether just because you didn't handle the situation as tactfully and levelheadedly as you could have.
Kraut lied and has continued to lie until people forgot about what happened and started believing him again due to their own biases. Jeff Holiday turned into a complete piece of shit out of some guilt complex, but that was after he was *caught* brazenly lying. I was entirely willing to forgive him at the time, but at this point fuck the guy. If these guys had owed up to what happened (in Kraut's case) or learned from it (in Jeff's case), I'm all for forgive and forget. But they didn't, so they don't deserve to be forgiven.
When the right cancels Journalists, it's because Journalists aren't doing their jobs. When the righy cancels anyone, it's because the person who is being canceled isn't doing their job.
When the left cancels people, it's because the person who is being canceled said something to offend their feefees. If you conflate the two, and condemn them both, then you give people like the Journalists who gamergate canceled a free pass to say and do whatever they want, and paint gamers and other groups with a broad brush as whatever "ist" word is fashionable nowadays.
You must never forget the difference between objectivity and subjectivity.
Kraut destroyed his credibility to the point that I can never take interest in anything he has to say on the grounds that it could be some fallacious op. Some might say, “but he makes okay content now.” So? Should I be more or less likely to trust someone’s word because now they are saying things I might like to hear?
When considering your sources, you don’t just check them, you check your biases. You check yourself most critically.
IMO check him out. he's great now.
I came to the comment section to point out the difference between Gamergate and cancel culture, but I'm honored to see so many people concisely point out the difference.
People say the UA-cam comments section is toxic, however I'm seeing so many good comments here. (Some making arguments I didn't even consider)
I love YT comment sections. From what I understand it was complete garbage in the early years, but I've had nothing but good experiences with it, minus YT's censorbots occasionally doing utterly stupid things.
Count dankula was just giving a critique of Nazism using his pug
I just want to point out Johnathan Haidt is NOT conservative, that's a pretty incorrect description. Definitely a left-liberal.
Labels like left, right, center, reactionary, completely useless.
Debate your policies, not for or against labels.
especially when they said "far Right haters" in regard to NonceFlix getting shit about pedo film...
congrats, you just showed everyone that labelling people with terms is an attempt to deflect and not argue because you have no argument.
@@TheAuron32
And 'normies' are now given the choice.
"Well, I don't like Cuties - I guess that means I'm a 'far right hater'. If they're against p3d0s, maybe they're not all bad."
TheMaleRei spot on, the author clearly didn’t think that through.
Ancient Chinese proverb say "Don't start none, won't be none."
The difference is simple: was there probable victims?
Yes? Then it was justified. Consumer being lied to.
No? Then it wasnt justified. A blackface hurts nobody.
While I do not agree with every point you've made in this video I at least understand the overall meaning. It reminds me of a saying I once heard in regards to Cancel Culture: "Nobody likes it until they have the chance to do it."
I have had a few times where I could have gone and "Cancelled" someone or something for past transgressions or perceived transgression. I get the easy temptation of a dopamine spike; I've never participated because everything that comes after is not worth that 10 minutes of Dopamine. Unless it is one very specific and personal example, I will never even consider partaking in a culture where everyone has to be clean and straight-laced forever lest someone bring up an ancient transgression to ruin your life. My childhood was filled with communities like that, and I would not want to inflict that suffering, even on my worst enemy.
You can't just disregard the content of Cuties. It's potentially illegal.
As for Gamergate, here's the difference. We weren't asking people to be fired, at first. We were asking for apologies, explanations, even just recognition that something wasn't kosher and we never got that. Cancel culture gets the heads theyre asking for on pikes and they keep wanting more from their catch. The difference is that complete capitulation isn't enough for them, whereas we got nothing and then boycotted.
I'm worried about you Dev. You're starting to Tim Pool a bit.
The canceling of Kraut was just as much justified as GamerGate was back then. Canceling somebody over unetchical practices while on the job is holding people to account.
But canceling somebody over necroing their twitter takes from a century(internet time) ago is just unethical itself.
Kraut was planning to cancel youtubers himself, it was not just about doxxing them.
straddle that fence boy!
"cancel Netflix" means "cancel your subscription", not "let's do a digital lynch". How did you conflate them?
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Can we call people who engage in cancel culture...
Can-cels?
I prefer cancer
Jonathan Haidt is actually not a conservative, he's just not a leftist.
This is why I left Tumblr in the past (before the exodus) and this is why I left twitter a couple of weeks ago
Cancelling organisations for terrible actions is fine, if you cancel a business it'll likely survive and if it doesn't the majority of people involved can likely walk away and get a different job.
Cancelling people for not even that terrible actions is not fine, if you cancel a person there's a good chance you've just rendered them unemployable and that's just it, game over man.
A weapon that destroys is not inherently good or bad, is just a tool with a specific purpose, you should be more aware of who wields it, since it will serve his purpose.
There’s a difference between canceling a subscription and trying to get someone fired.
5:26 Cacophony : Ka-cough-o-knee
Boycotting a product and dog-piling and ruining the life of an individual are two completely separate things.
I stuck with Kraut and Tea for a long time through even his apparent horrid actions and waited for him to come back to defend himself. I accepted his defense and moved on. Then he started going insane, I remember leaving comments on his videos both on UA-cam and Dissenter (it was the new hip thing then) complaining mightily about his extremely dishonest tactics in his videos (the three after Cheap Swastika Remake). Watching him conflate Sargon and other such characters with Richard Spencer and his ilk without even the spine to say it directly pissed me off to no end.
Now, he just makes history-in-a-nutshell videos with country balls. Cool but I have no interest in him now. He pissed me off and I don't forget slights like that easy even if I don't remember what I ate for breakfast today, and as such, I won't enjoy his content.
On that note, interest in the person is the only reason I continue to watch UA-camrs as opposed to doing it myself. I only started watched Blitzkreigsler because I liked the idea of Rimworld 6 years ago. I bought the early access game a short time later but I kept watching the man because I liked him. I would have never watched another one of his videos if I didn't love his child-like zeal for life. I still watch the eventually Christened "Blitz" because I want to hear him and his eternally happy reactions not because I want to see playthroughs of some bullshit, flavor-of-the-month game. Similarly, I would do the research in Marxist theory or scour through historical manuals on European Swordsmanship myself if I didn't like the UA-camr covering it. The only reason I watch Shadiversity or ScholaGladitoria or Sargon or you is because I like you and like hearing your thoughts regardless of how much I may disagree.
To quote one of my favs, Goodbye and I love you.
Having been part of the outrage machine surrounding NetFlix and Cuties, I don't support the cancellation of Cuties(and I hope the film is still on NetFlix when I've got money to spend as I'm planning on reviewing it).
In my, _very_ , humble opinion you cannot oppose Cancel culture and at the same time demand that things you do not like be removed, because that is the very essence of Cancel culture, and something we all should fight with word and deed.
Projared legitely deendu nutin.
Are you trying to say “legitimately”?
@@Ace-zb5xr His wife cheated first
I knew Pro-Jared because of the scandal involving him, and I liked his channel a lot. He is making a great documentary about the games of my childhood. When he explained the case, he made quite a good defense of himself.
9:59 "But no word is inherently offensive."
Ahem. _Moist._
And delicious
I actually really appreciate this video, and I'm happy to illustrate what I think is the difference between Cancel Culture and things like Gamergate.
Fundamentally, Cancel Culture is not liking a person due to their views and actively trying to destroy the person's livelihood *because* you don't like those views. In other words, you're not going after the person because they have done something demonstrably wrong. Their views are either offensive or, in the case of politicians, politically inconvenient for you. So you want to see them ruined as a means of shutting them up, as well as frightening to silence anyone else who holds similar views.
Of course, in the case of politicians, it's less about their views and more about their political inconvenience. So the politician will *play* at being morally outraged while dragging up outrageous things as a means of getting rid of the competition. Same goes for other elites like celebrities.
Whereas Gamergate and the Netflix boycott were customers responding to something that an entity has *done* that is demonstrably wrong. Netflix posted something that borders on child porn. We can see that such a thing is wrong. The game journos colluded behind the scenes to attack their own audience as a means of covering up the corruption and cronyism that was first revealed in The Zoe Post (and then further exposed by more digging, later). We can see that corruption, and attempting to cover up corruption, is wrong.
Overall, if a person can point to a demonstrable wrong that has been committed, I'm not comfortable with calling it 'cancel culture' if that person then wants the one who committed the wrong to be held accountable.
Real simple, Gamergate was an exposé and a denial of the corruption seen within the gaming press. Zoe Quinn slept with a variety of different journalists, all giving her favorable reviews. Then, once there was backlash to this, the industry conspired together in online calls and posted articles claiming the gamer identity was dead. As Metokur said back in the day, imagine if a journalist interviewed a politician, giving them favorable coverage, but later you find out that the two were sleeping together. Do you not see that as a clear conflict of interest and against journalistic ethics? The same is true here. This isn’t even getting into the ideological nonsense we see.
That's why I've been silent about Shoe. I disagree, but I'm not going to outright judge her.
I believe her heart is in the right place, and I love her content.
Anything I care to say or ask can be done in private.
kraut scares me
Daniel Hodgson
What?
@@hudsondunn8385 Was one of the things that somebody found on some old forum posted by him. Think metokur had a video about it. (same series of videos where he covers Kraut's secret doxing discord)
@@RossMitchellsProfile Dang, sounds rough.
"I remember when The Left was all about "Freedom of Speech"."
Yeah that was just about porn and porn alone.
Haven't finished the video yet, but Kraut is one of my favourite UA-camrs right now. I didn't watch him back in the political days but his highly polished countryball content is what I love. Reminds me of Brain4Breakfast r.i.p. :(
One if not the most disgusting aspect of social media. Cowardly, requires minimum effort, incurs no personal costs whatever the result, and can have life-changing consequences for the victim.
The worst part, makes you feel righteous, virtuous, when it is anything but. It makes people engaging in it not able to recognise their own immorality.
academics pls respond
They cannot....they are afraid of being cancelled
@bokudensuduharagmail Very little can be done to you when you are a student. An instructor (grad student, adjunct or professor) can have their careers, their LIVES destroyed by these evil children. I am not excusing the fear, but it is not irrational, and it cannot be compared to a student speaking up to an instructor.
@bokudensuduharagmail I believe that you have completely missed my point. A particularly obnoxious professor with an ideological axe to grind can certainly hurt a student, but even their worst efforts pale in comparison to what can happen to a full time academic who gets caught in this sort of thing. Students confronted with the consequences you describe certainly suffer, but they can (and do) recover from these things, and go on with their lives. A professor looking for tenure, a grad student looking to complete their terminal degree, an adjunct looking for next semester's contract can easily see their career's vaporized in an instant, and quite often no recovery is possible. That you compare this to a grade being lowered (or even failing a single class) shows an almost inconceivable lack of proportion.
@bokudensuduharagmail I believe that if you asked Brett Weinstein (Jordan Peterson is most definitely a special case, and in any event, was already well established in his field outside of the purely academic setting), he would agree with me on this. Some VERY lucky individuals manage to survive with some career shreds to hang on to, but for someone who has committed 2+ decades to gain a tenured position, no...running a youtube channel and writing the odd book that is ignored within his chosen field is NOT an acceptable substitute. Again, we are talking about careers being destroyed. As for the 'being unsuited for work outside of McDonalds', you are overdramatizing (though I suppose I shouldn't be surprised)...undergrads have plenty of options to rebuild. Try losing everything when you are 40 not 20....
As for my 'half the picture', I left a tenured position in academe 30 years ago because I could see this coming, and had no desire to live with it. I miss what academe could have been, but not what it has become. Before that, I was a conservative student in a very liberal field (political science), so I did indeed see exactly how hard it is for undergrads under these circumstances.
I have no further interest in you. Last word is yours....then go away.
Anyone else actually been a victim of cancel culture or seen someone who has?
I have. Watching someone lose their job over another person getting offended over a word another said. Spoke to that person just recently, found out he was diagnosed with asperger's shortly after he lost his job. The corporation only cared about diversity and inclusivity, but only if the company isn't affected. If also curious, he went back to school, got accepted into honor society, and still isn't working. This job loss was almost 2 years ago. He told me that he had applied to over 150 jobs, no response from anyone. He also deleted his Facebook, reddit account, only has UA-cam account so he can watch videos. Trying to talk him into making content too. Guy is funny and insightful.
The way is, stop saying "This ain't it, chief."
_Progress_ is no longer saying, "This ain't it, chief."
We just wanted ethics in game journalism
I would never want you cancelled, ShortFatOtaku.
What happened with Shoe?
@@JesusFriedChrist is he a tankie because he weighs the same as a tank?
@@JesusFriedChrist She always was left leaning.. hmm
And what did SFO do to her that he regrets?
Did she become a communist before or after she broke up with Armored Skeptic?
The solution to all this: just don't buy something if you don't like it for one reason or another.
Don't not avoid buying it on someone else's behalf, that would be MADNESS.