Why Do People Grow More Conservative As They Age?
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OK, here's me sources:
www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/706889?journalCode=jop
www.verywellmind.com/piagets-stages-of-cognitive-development-2795457
www.researchgate.net/publication/342466678_Notes_on_Piaget_Inhelder's_Formal_Operational_Stage_as_a_Messianic_Stage
www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0#Sec3
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038932/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_and_crystallized_intelligence
What we need to do is find balance between Vash's idealism with Wolfwood's realism.
@@judsongaiden9878 that's a pretty good analogy
thank you i will read these , this is fasnateing
@@DJBSharpMusic Thankee. Anime is real!
It wasn't just america that's ruined the label of 'liberal/conservative'. Britain had a large part to do with it as well, and Canada just followed along.
Namely, Sir Edward Grey pushed for 'social liberalism' 100 years ago, which was basically dressing up socialist morality (ie. more and more equity; equality above freedom) in liberal politics. Since then, what it has meant to be liberal has become more and more socialist, until we now have socialists who very easily pretend to be liberals.
You don't actually need to change to become more Conservative. You just need to stay the same while the world changes around you.
yeah thought about that also. That is literally what it mean. Keeping things the same like in a can
Yea, that’s basically what I thought too.
yes
i have technically speaking moved to the left from where i was 10 years ago, yet according to the same mate i still have from then, i'm not "alt-right"
no, i just became WAY more libertarian and way less conservative. (drugs good, prostitution good, fuck the police, gib capitalism.)
You just need to stay the same while the world get's turn for the worse around you !
At a certain point you realize change isn't always good.
"the lifestyle that fosters leftism is not compatible with the lifestyle that fosters self improvement" - Absolutely brilliant closing point. Well done good sir.
Thank you!
Why Jordan Peterson's "Clean your own room" hits so well, that in order to become a better person, you need to self-reflect and see that maybe it might be your fault instead of constantly blaming everyone and everything else. Not all circumstances are entirely your fault, but it is a matter of taking self-responsibility first. How can one change the world when they cannot even change themselves?
@@RequiemDelta yep, focus on yourself first, then move onto things that can actually change. that shifts things to the more conservative side of things via the chart in the video (conservatives care more about community and family).
“Self improvement is masterbation, now self destruction is the answer” Tyler derton
Makes sense that gym bros are conservative then.
That Russian in RED said it best:
"As you get older, things seem less important. Perspectives change."
Brian Cox, hell of an actor, playing a very amusing character in a very underrated movie (Retired. Extremely Dangerous).
@@DarkCyberElf underrated movie, underrated actor, pretty much everyone has seen him in something and liked him, and liked the movie, but not that many people know him by name.
I've watched it in real-time. My mid-20s sister mooched off my parents and did nothing until a year ago. She was hardcore anti-Trump anti-capitalism pro-BLM pro-gender politics.
She's been working for a year now and is voting for Larry Elder.
It took a year of having democrats steal her hard-earned money to funnel into ridiculous social programs to flip her 180*..
wow
Conservatives: Place more moral weight upon things they can actually interact with and change.
Liberals: Place more moral weight upon things they can fantasize and idealize about, but can't actually affect.
Interesting.
It's also interesting, due to the study wich found that alot of ppl on the left, did not have an inner monologue/internal awearness of self conciusness^^
@@gampie13 So according to this study you mention. You mean to imply leftists are a hivemind?
Idk something smells foul
@@shroomer3867 my guy he can't even spell I don't think he's read any academic papers to be honest with you
*effect
@@unbearablysmug2437 Affect is used here correctly. Definition, a verb meaning "To have an effect upon" vs effect, a noun, meaning "a change that results when something is done or happens". Verb vs noun.
*"Conservatives tend to be old because it takes a long time for life to beat the stupid out of you."*
- Bill Whittle
I got more progressive as I got older when I realised that just how many people are deprived of opportunity.
@@Nimish204 shame.
@@Nimish204 based
@@Nimish204 fair. We need advocates for both sides anyways.
Or because their views are outdated 😂
My friends mom told me “You become more conservative every time I see you” with a big smile and I realized I’ve only become this way because I love history and I saw my friend get bullied because she was the only white kid in our black majority class. History can really change your perspective on the world
Let’s you have a good laugh when you see people try the exact same thing then have the exact same failure
It makes you understand that people who are trying to teach false history do so with malice.
Reality has a habit of coming for you fast.
i wish i could get the same encouragement. i live in a culture void of responsibility.
I had the opposite effect. I become more liberal when I went to that racist ass high-school and got called slurs in my math class then got suspended for defending myself when a white dude tried to snatch my food away.
Imagine yelling at your kid when they're being obnoxious and entitled. No one ever does that.
Damn this girl makes me angry
The difference now is that people can easily record it and paint it as abuse. Also her being "hit" could easily have been her just slapping the phone against herself to imitate it. I do not like Kellyanne at all but holy shit her daughter seems like a twat.
@@josiahclarke3535 I don't care for Kellyanne either. Seems like she was useful for when specific thing during the campaign, but then overstayed her tactical usefulness.
@PaulvonOberstein even with her faults, I don't think it was right for her parents to treat her that way.
@@whenimmanicimgodly4228Kids should be seen and not heard.
As someone from the Balkans, this perplexes me. Maybe because we went through both types of political extremes we're now mostly centrist/libertarian.
What is a "Balkan"?
You having lived through it is exactly why. Fools here in the US have no understanding of the terror Communism brings and live in some fantasy world, thinking Communism will grow some Utopia. These hipsters think everyone will be able to sit around all day with their iPads and big houses not understanding how they will be the prime target of persecution. They do not realize it will be their dumb heads who will be shot by the local Commissar for "not being Communist enough".
@@sik3xploit You're never left/progressive/woke enough... You described nicely the so called "useful idiots". After the "useful idiots" have fulfilled their purpose, they're just idiots and will end up being on the wrong side of the barrel...
@@nikkili8944 Yes, "it's never enough" is what resonates from them. They don't see something like an apology as a reason to make an amends, but rather a queue to persecute further because it's never enough.
@@sik3xploit That's why many like-minded people like us aren't interested in this ideology because we see how destructive it is. This "you're never left/progressive/woke/communist enough" attitude makes the whole endeavor of being left/progressive/woke/communist really pointless. Why should we try when it's futile anyways? Seems rather self-defeating to me...
It's easy to care about the world, it requires no actual effort other than virtue signalling. It's not surprising that "liberals" value abstract notions rather than the things within their immediate circle that they can actually influence. That would require actual effort.
That makes a lot of sense
Yeah that is the whole attraction of the leftist ideology. An apology to be your worst self.
it is easier to complain and say "tax the rich" and then instead tax the middle class instead of working to create the world you want to see.
My favourite people are those who think THEY should pay more tax. I always tell them to write a cheque to the Treasury, nothing's stopping you.
Additionally school is the perfect breeding ground for baseless ideals.
"People are conservative about what they know best." People generally learn more as they get older.
Or they just believe they know more when they're really just stuck. You can't teach an old dog new tricks as they say.
@@Tb0n3 the old dog also knows not to shit on the carpet and how not to fall down the stairs :)
@@Wulfen73 An old dog will shit on the floor just as much as a puppy if you don't train it. Old people are just as likely to be retarded as young people. Just because you've lived longer doesn't mean you've learned anything special along the way.
@@Tb0n3 yeah young folk have had less chance to learn though
@@Tb0n3 some people are stuck on stupid, but you don't typically get more stupid as you get older. You at least gain more wisdom, even if to a lesser degree than other people. You're going to know more when you're 50 than you did when you were 25. No matter who you are.
It's what happens when you mature and have financial responsibilities other than video games and buying shitty weed.
I have financial responsibilities that I fulfil and still buy video games.
Imo I buy shitty weed and play videogames..... And Yet I'm the most conservative person in my family lol
Seems like everyone didn't read the part where he said "OTHER than video games and buying weed" as in when those are your ONLY responsibilities u stay liberal but when additional concerns pop up that's when u become more conservative. You can play video games and smoke weed and still become more conservative as you take on OTHER ADDITIONAL responsibilities like career, paying taxes, kids, etc..... He's not condemning weed or video games.
yes, only in my case i was prepared for the shitty financial slide, and damn when i hit that i was like "Im fucking getting taxed for everything i do, what else do you want from me, you motherfucking leeches of the state", and well, i still think that, every day, and god damn i wanna get the fuck out of my country
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast you could also say they are more intelligent
Makes sense why Marx felt the way he did even at his old age. They want freedom with no responsibilities.
Beyond the Taliban, Marxist societies are probably the most conservative there are ironically
@@soreliansorelianism6802 I've always found hints of wanting to return to the pre-industrial world from Marxist thought- living in a small village with a small clan of friends and family where your labor (farming) is your most valuable asset, and yours only to control. You communally share your produce with the community to help sustain it, because they are the people you actually care about and want to do well.
It takes a bit of reading between the lines, but in this way- Marxism can appear to try and adapt a Conservative world view onto a Modern Society.
@@TheKeksadler
The socialist idea can work on a personal scale like within a family and neighbourhood. Not on an anonymous, state-wide bureaucratic Level.
I remember on some livestream hearing a comment about freedom and responsibility.
Dude said stranded on a deserted island with no predators youre as free as you can get. Youre still responsible for your survival.
@@hildegardvonbingen9092 I want to call bullshit on that, as Marxs own family was a damn disaster. The bastard was a bad parent whose neglect and general lack of responsibility lead to the death of damn near all of his kids, either early in life or later through suicide. Even when his labor would've helped his own family, Marx STILL couldn't find the motivation to work. He was just that selfish.
8:46 You know: This bears out something I thought of about a year back. Someone asked Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles what their favorite "-isms" were, and because they were both sleep-deprived and distracted they didn't realize what the question meant (they thought I.S.M. was an acronym for something).
I thought about how I would answer, though, and because "libertarianism" was too easy I went with "anthropocentrism."
You cannot make "Nature" or "The Environment" or "The Planet" or "Society" more important in your moral decisions without making the individual rights of other people _LESS_ important. I think a lot of really radical leftists have used their idealistic fantasy of a perfect world to give themselves permission to write off vast numbers of other people, until they simply cannot entertain the concept of individual rights any longer.
It seems like right-wingers are always kinder in person than in their "tough love" political personas, and left-wingers are always meaner in person than in their "bleeding heart" political personas. Conservatives and libertarians are trying to make the best possible world that people can live in, while liberals and progressives are just trying to make the best possible world - and if some people _can't_ live in it then those people must be the problem.
That's why true Utopia is evil. True Utopia necessitates the removal of those who would stand against it, for its not truly a Utopia if there people unhappy with it, and no Utopia can please everyone.
@@xdragoonzero0 It is also why utopia litteraly means "a place that cannot exist"
"Conservatives and libertarians are trying to make the best possible world that people can live in, while liberals and progressives are just trying to make the best possible world - and if some people can't live in it then those people must be the problem."
This sums it up: conservatives and centerists are trying to make small, sustainable changes that are reasonable and leave a better world. Liberals just wants to dick themselves morally and don't care who pays the price because they're usually isolated from the consequences, and to hell with the future.
Your final paragraph is nonsensical. How can you generalize about two massive groups of people like that so confidently? There's mean right-wingers and there's nice ones. There's also mean left-wingers and there's nice ones. Also Bush gave the CIA insane surveillance powers to infringe your rights to privacy. I can't remember, was Bush right or left wing?
@@krschu00 you are reading too far into this comment; I bet it struck deep. But, we’re discussing trends and generalizations, not every individual. Men, generally, are taller than women, but not every man is taller than every women. It’s the same thing here.
When your specific progressive goals are met, you eventually become conservative on those issues.
_Example: gay marriage_
If you are old enough, you remember a time in your country when gay marriage was illegal. If you were young and progressive, you probably wanted that changed. By now, your country probably has changed that.
If you are sane, you don't want marriage rights extended further (to children, animals, etc.). You don't want to end gay marriage, you just don't want any more progress on that item.
_end example_
When enough items get ticked off of your wish list, you may find yourself aligning more with the conservative political parties than the progressive ones. That isn't you getting more conservative over time, that's just winning politically.
That sums things up rather nicely. When I was young, before I was politically-active, gay marriage in my country wasn't a thing. It became a thing before I was politically-aware. And because I became politically-aware after that, I ended up realising "huh, the only 'progressive' thing that really matters was already done. I have no reason to support it."
And even if I had, the progressives have become more and more insane to the point that I have gone from being neutral towards them to believing it is a moral imperative to oppose it at every turn.
Ay big brain right here
I think that's a good insight and true. Nobody is trying to move the country backwards really. It's funny though because I see so many claiming they want a single income family so they can stay home and that was "conservative" when I was growing up and now it's seen as progressive. It's really weird out there.
If you don't understand what "Conservative" means in western society, then sure that sounds ok.
But Conservatives don't give a shit about winning for winnings sake, it's not about ticking boxes over time. Our interest is primarily in what preserves our principles and way of life. The problem with Progressives is, their ideology doesn't permit them to stop and so we will always be antithetical to each other. The difference is progressives will eventually become what they hate, totalitarians trying to impose their will on others "stuck in the past" or who otherwise couldn't keep up with their subjective and ever changing politics.
or rather, @@Let_The_Foolish_Take_The_Lead, if you do.
*Conservatism* (from Wikipedia):
_"Conservatism is the aesthetic, cultural, social, and political outlook that embodies the desire to conserve existing things, held to be either good in themselves, or better than the likely alternatives, or at least safe, familiar, and the objects of trust and affection."_
dont force your children into your ways, for they were created for a time different from your own - plato 341 bc
Ah yes, Plato, the author of the tyrannical, anti-liberal book "Plato's Republic"
Kinda cringe ngl.
I prefer Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Goes more with the "crystallized intelligence" Dev mentioned. We've been here longer, and we won't know everything but certainly know enough to guide the little ones.
Just don't be Kellyanne, or let your wife be one :)
The rules aren't about "into your ways" but to protect them , also just because parent's won't buy them a $1000 phone that isn't oppression !
What shall I teach them other than what I believe about how to be a good person.
Personally it's because I started to understand that you can't just imagine what the perfect world should be and make it so. You have to work within the confines of how the world is currently, and you have to work with other people. People who disagree with you.
Political peace is when disparate sides work out a compromise. Certain things should not be compromised, but you should always have some flexibility.
At some point, hopefully, people realize that there are different types of people in the world who want different things and thrive in different situations. A utopia for one is a hell for another. Rather than trying to remake the world in one's image, one can simply choose to surround themselves with like-minded people and seek to improve the small piece of the world that they inhabit.
The problem, in my opinion, with the more left-leaning idealists is that they are never content to leave other people and their small pieces of the world alone.
@@jero37
If you're willing to compromise on your values, then you never had any values in the first place.
@@jero37 Compromise leaves everyone unhappy. Compromise is ultimately the worse solution. At least if Satan decorates hell, the pits of sulfur match the pillars of flame.
@@aaronbrown8377 why would compromise leave everyone unhappy? Ive seen examples of compromise in my life where it doesn't
A good chunk of young people try to be "left" out of spite for someone close to them.
If my kid tries to ruin my life on social media, they get everything taken away and only getting food, a mattress, and cloths.
But what if a complete stranger does?
@@Code7Unltd nails under 3/4 of their car's tires
@@DolphinPain oddly specific but okay lmao.
@@sakurasarmy insurance generally doesn't cover it if it's not all of them
@@DolphinPain ahhhh I get it now. Interesting.
For me it was owning a business and paying taxes
People tend to become a lot more libertarian/smaller government as soon as they start making money because they realize how much more money they would have in their pockets if it wasn't for all the taxes.
Well, unfortunately too many people nowadays are dependent on the welfare state and relying on social benefits and food stamps. Therefore they probably won't learn their lesson...
@@nikkili8944 Bingo, they are choosing peaceful slavery to dangerous freedom
@@1810jeff They're slaves and they love it! Take your Soma guys! You'll own nothing and you'll be happy...
@@nikkili8944 Yeah such a shame, good thing communism always fails so if enough freedom lovers survive we can rebuild the west and make sure this doesn't happen again by making sure only those with skin in the game can control the levers of power.
Funny, I'm 15 and I'm becoming more conservative and right-leaning everyday. Now if the rest of my fellow zoomers can catch on...
Quit generalizing entire groups of people for things they can't help
Blacks aren't all homophobic well fare leeches, Latinos aren't all socialist, and White's aren't all Nazis
@@weebishusername9288 what? When did he say any of that?
Don't become too conservative because they are just as cringe as progressives.
@@weebishusername9288 what are you talking about
I feel like I am going farther and farther into conservative as I get older, though I am only 22 now.
I've certainly gone more conservative as I've aged , you lose more family and so you appreciate them more
As people grow older, they grow wiser and more experienced and they recognize the practical from the foolish.
Responsibility sooner in their teens allow for that to happen sooner.
Dunno man; People just become number to everything as they grow older.
It works only until they become senile
My main takeaway is that Kelly-Ann and her daughter deserve each other. I'm happy to no longer care about that drama.
As you age you are more likely to work in which you realize a lot of your income goes to taxes. As a result, people get more conservative.
What about on social issues?
For me personally, I went from a little more than center left to dead center/center right after GamerGate.
Experiencing being treated as a liar, a nazi, a fascist, a misogynist, a homophobe and so on just for explaining basic information, I immediately understood that I'd done similar things (in a much less hostile way) against "right wing" values.
I gained humility and understood almost immediately that one though has to remain in the foreground: We have to share this planet, so at the end of the day, even if we don't all agree, we at least recognize that fact and can coexist. If the young left is ignorant of that fact, and yes I absolutely believe that it's more than vital to maintain society, then there is one side that is extremely obviously in the wrong.
If I can be tolerant of opposing viewpoints and things I disagree with coming into law or power, then the opposite has to as well. If that's not possible and we devolve down to who has more power, then violence is guaranteed, which we're seeing the majority of in Portland, US.
Funny enough, I've just had a spat with someone who'd older than me (adult past his 40's) who has displayed a fundamental inability to be humble and considerate of opinions different from his own. He has a fairly hard left wing position and he views me with disdain and paints me as arrogant. I'm not even trying to disprove his position, I'm trying to explain mine which he interprets as an attack.
It confuses the hell out of me, because this happens with what I consider to be smart people, where they regress into a child like mode, get defensive, lose confidence and take it personally instead of just trying to understand information presented to them. Hell, we all get angry and sometimes stubborn if an argument gets really heated, but more and more things from from 0-100 in an instant.
So obviously not all people get more conservative, but I don't feel like that's true either. As stated, I feel that for myself it's just growing up, being more humble, open minded and sometimes yes, being more learned about something and being able to explain the difficulties or problems with an idea that fundamentally is flawed, such as ideological communism and all patterns of logic going the same direction.
Unfortunately, many people tend to tie emotions and their identity to their politics. It gets to the point where if you say something that slightly disagrees with them or has a different conclusion, they treat it as if you were saying they're wrong and their whole existence is wrong. It's dumb but it happens.
The only thing that truly urks me about these types is that they're hyper critical of certain things but completely buy the narrative of other issues. Its like going to a carnival with rigged games, accusing one or two of being rigged but refusing to admit the possibility if one or two were rigged, they could all be rigged. Their hypocrisy gets to me sometimes, I'm sorry for the tangent.
It was 2020 that did it for me. I was called a Nazi, Fascist and a Racist for pushing back against the absolutely insane knee jerk solutions people were coming up.
I still get called a racist for saying Kyle Rittenhouse did nothing wrong.
Kids and being older change you. Look at Sargon. He went further right after his kids got older.
I think it's the parental instincts kincking in. Can't blame, considering how degeneracy is being praised nowadays
Weird, my friend went full liberal when "his" kids (adopted) started getting older. It's to the point where it seems like I don't even know him any more.
@@jackdaone6469
Nope, all involved are white. The wife came with the kids as a packaged deal. Of course almost 12 years later and they are now divorced so 🤷♂️. It seems like he never got his balls back from the seperation.
@@jovenc4508 your friend’s situation is far from common. The paternal drive is biological and I suspect the ready made family was a real kick in the teeth when it arrived and even bigger kick when it was taken away. Anecdote is not data.
I can’t even imagine dealing with such things.
It's because you want to protect them from the crazy and honestly right now, there's a lot of crazy.
2:35
She's very, very lucky to not be behind bars over that, since that qualifies as creating and distributing cp.
Then again, she's female, so let's just give her a slap on the wrist and get her to say she's sorry and we'll call it good enough.
Considering the behaviour of the daughter, I can fully believe it was posted by her daughter who somehow got access to the twitter account, which honestly isnt hard if you live with the other twitter user.
I'd like to see the gender demographics of progressivism. Just a guess, but I'm gonna guess that the overwhelming majority are female, minus the gender identity bs.
I bet there are a lot of simps in there too grifting to catch the attention of the progressive women.
weak, emotional people tend to be leftist.
@@simbadas1234 you forgot the manipulated
@@onyxxvenom9198 i think that's a lil redundant, because the ones being manipulated are emotional people. it's harder to manipulate someone into activism, if they don't give a shit.
@@simbadas1234 yes... thats the point
I say they don’t get more conservative and the overton window just keeps going further left.
Cthulhu swims slowly, but he always swims left, as they say.
That's where the NAP fails. Sometimes you DO need force
This makes a lot of sense. The study said political views didn't change much but the label is likely to change through out one's life. That's probably why. Not only do people go through different social groups through out life but the general public terminology used in politics changes through out time. That's why we have so many disaffected liberals, people who haven't changed their political views at all, are now being called conservative by the farther left and the democrat establishment. And these old school liberals are seeing themselves siding more with traditional conservatives more and more each day.
Though the far left aren't exactly doing a good job of painting themselves as virtuous, despite all their virtue signaling, it's pretty hard for the average person to support riots, looting, violence and insane communistic idealism. It's no wonder sane liberals and centrists, normal folk are trying to distance themselves from the chaos of the left.
@@deathzero0212 yea that's true. When I was younger I got some shit from family for being "too liberal', and my overall views haven't changed that much, at least I don't think. I'm for legalizing weed and reducing penalties for all drug possession, I don't want a federal ban on abortion even though I think it's gross and immoral. Those have been my views since I was about 18 or so, since I started casually paying attention to politics. That was moderate right, maybe even centrist back in the day. But according to the far left psychos, I'm "alt right" now.
@@markzuckergecko621 That's always been my positions and I was "progressive" in the 80s. I was libertarian and still am. Now FB said I'm conservative. I've never supported a party and I never will, but I can say I know one party I won't ever vote for again.
I don't care what your views are,
If you're an adult that abuses children in any way,
Someone out there is willing to take you out for free.
That's not a threat, that's how the world works.
The longer you're around, the more time you have to consider the world around you, how things work, how things are connected to each other, and why the world won't simply conform to utopian ideals. One of the routes to 'growing more conservative' is to consider how the things you use on a daily basis came into being; e.g. what processes were required to manufacture the clothing you wear, the tech you use, and the food you eat, how many people were involved in that and, again, what processes were involved to allow those people to do their jobs. This involves a LOT of cooperation between people which utopian thinking is at odds with as it seeks to divide people.
What about on social issues?
“If you’re not liberal as a kid, you’re heartless. If you’re not conservative as an adult you’re brainless.”
Too bad I never had a heart :p
Neither the Right or the Left have hearts, the Left is just better at giving off the illusion of care.
If you want to have success in politics, then having a heart is an obstacle
@@oldstyle5114 That's why the entire political system is a farce and the left and right are inner and outer parties, respectively.
there are chances that you might be brainless as an adult conservative, especially when one doesn't even try to make some quick research on topics one barely grasp, mixing facts with opinions.
@@TheHulk1850 people pretend to care?
"I DONT WANT TO CHANGE WORLD, I JUST WANT TO LEAVE IT COLDER"
Breaking Benjamin? I will not bow?
People get more conservative as they learn that idealistic ideas are all wrong. Happened to me. 9/11 was a huge wake up.
What happen I am curious
Saying you care for everything in the universe sounds like a very euphoria inducing notion. If you care ☺️about EVERYONE then you care about one.
Pretty much all liberal talking points are appeals to emotion to make people feel good like they are actually accomplishing something.
It means they are full of shit and just signalling. When push comes to shove they favor their own just like everyone else.
You can care about the well-being of humanity. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that it means you have zero empathy for literally anyone. Elaborate maybe?
It's my experience that people generally don't shift much in their political leanings after their early twenties barring some sort of extreme trauma. People don't become more conservative the overton window just shifts so that what was once progressive is now considered intolerant or conservative.
I went from voting Nader in 2000 to thinking trump was too left for me.
That's why libertarianism is the best. Leave people alone, make all interactions voluntary, and be responsible, goddamnit.
That I agree with wholeheartedly. This goes for religion too.
So make weed legal yes?
@@krschu00 Make all drug use legal. No one else can tell you what you can and can't put in your own body.
@@chbrules amen
Make all drugs legal, as long as i don't have to pay for other people's consequence, they can build or ruin their own lives however they like.
I'm pretty sure being a bad parent has nothing to do with political leanings. I've seen it on the right and the left.
And I'm noticing a pattern that almost none of them spend enough time with their kids.
@@linkskywalker5417 I never understood how most normal people had that problem. I've worked 70 hours a week for decades and I still managed to spend several hours with my son's every day. More when I had the chance.
That is until they were teens. Then they were gone when I was there.
Most people work 40 hours and should be able to spend way more than that.
@@keithvincenttucker9923 That's the thing. They're so obsessed with politics, they forget about their kids, leaving them susceptible to indoctrination.
It's generally either that people tend to realize their mistakes after growing up or that the political scene has shifted too greatly.
Just look at how many liberal/libertarian people from the 90s are considered conservative now
Society is just growing too fast and demands of newer generations aren’t being met.
@@shroomer3867 The demands of the new generation is Free stuff with no work
That’s just not realistic
@@prettyboyjeremy Socialism is when free stuff
@@shroomer3867 Nothing is free.
Anything that monetarily free still requires labor and free labor is slavery
@@prettyboyjeremy the demands of the new generation is a decent salary and the ability to find the job they like without the fear of losing everything if they aren't forced to do 3 jobs to mantain a family. What's not realistic is pretending that anyone can suddenly become a millionaire out of hard and honest work.
I think it’s partly because society moves left and people don’t change much. But there’s also a real phenomenon of people stopping being a socialist after they get their first paycheck. i.e. Cthulhu swims left faster than people mature and move right.
"Cthulu always swims left..."
There are more aspects at play than just the OP. Society is moving Left at this moment but this isn’t even close to the majority of history.
@@Xplora213 I know but for the past two or three century is it seems like society has been moving left and it seems like it’s going to do that until it completely crumbles in on itself, and we literally return to the Middle Ages.
@@1lobster “seems”?? Based on what?? The world has been getting far more brutally capitalist. The left doesn’t create factories. They create ideas. Ipads aren’t made by Steve Jobs but his group of engineers and accountants, and they are very conservative people compared to the creatives.
The last 200 years saw the rise and fall of the British empire, the rise of the USA, the rise and fall of Russia, the rise of China, the return of Israel, there are 10 times as many people... I’m not suggesting you are wrong but I don’t feel the evidence backs it up.
The world has moved towards liberalism over 300 years. Sure. But that is not progressivism and Dev has been talking about loony progressives in this video. Liberalism is not a threat to human progress and happiness. Progressivism certainly is.
@Xplora Was it not the left who were the ones advocating for capitalism under the guise of “liberty” a historically left wing concept? Right wing used to mean monarchism but there are hardly any right wingers nowadays that defend the idea of monarchy. Likewise advocates of liberal capitalism would have been considered the leftists of their time. The politics have shifted no doubt and there have certainly been right wing societies and movements throughout history but overall I would say that history tends to move in a leftward direction.
Is it because they get smarter and less idealistic?
People on the left are not idealistic. They think half the population is going to be dead by 2030 and they think the end is nigh
Top tier shoe cameo, I have to say. I love her shouting 'Sargon was right' like it's a joke or it's something to be proud of when he seems to have absolutely been right and that isn't a positive. I remember when she was one of my favorite political youtubers. What a strange timeline we've evolved into.
Extreme progressivism is like the Dunning-Kruger effect, but for life in general lol
You're barely exposed to the impossibly complex systems that make up human society, and confidently feel like the solutions are obvious and in plain sight.
Only you don't realize that thousands before you have already had the same inclinations only to be humbled by learning of past efforts or experiencing the sting of trying themselves.
It's never as simple as it seems unfortunately. That's why you work as slowly and carefully as you can, removing and replacing pieces of the Jenga tower and praying it doesn't just all colllapse.
From childhood to early adulthood, the answer is simple - reality. Reality comes along and kicks your pretensions to the curb.
As soon as people have to pave their own way (i.e. not supported by parents or the state) they begin to understand and actually value things.
Its a long slow learning curve, a good decade or so in most cases... whilst those who never embark on the learning curve, eventually end up as extinction rebellion protesters or some such.
For actual adults to the elderly, consider Conquests first law - everyone is conservative about what they know best.
Todays conservatism is simply 20th Century progressivism.
Probably the reason why housing prices are rising to outrageous proportions to keep people from being able to reach that stage of paving their own way and learning the value of things.
@@jovenc4508 Politely disagree. "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."
The issues with housing prices arent some machiavellian plot, theyre a simple result of mass migration into the west and infastructure not keeping pace.
Supply and demand 101.
At least in general and not considering some company mass purchasing properties as investments etc etc.
@@jovenc4508 Then what's the point of having kids? I seem to have a different point of view on this. Maybe babies do appreciate what you do for them. And, oddly enough, babies are known not to like change, especially by far, sudden changes. This is why travelling with a baby may not be a good idea, unless you enjoy hearing your tiny human suffer, which I hope that isn't the case.
@@DavidWalker1987
Who's to say it's not a combination of both? Unchecked migration due to incompetence or intention drives the prices up to make it harder to buy.
@@DavidWalker1987 "never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence". That is as good as a fucking joke when talking about modern politics. It has become painfully obvious that the elite resent us. The elite didn't get to where they are by being retarded and accidentally fucking everything up. If that described them they wouldn't be running the show.
While not every little thing (such as perhaps the conversation about how the housing market maybe what it is to keep the youth with out responsibilities) maybe due to the elite saying "fuck you" and there will be rippling effects; there *is* a general intentionally malicious bend to most things in society these days. They know what they are doing, it's intentional.
When I had a kid, my dad became one of my closest friends and I became a born again Christian. Needless to say I went from Bernie (cause school debt) to Trump within a year.
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@@ShortFatOtaku like you too...Carl light
Most successful conservatives I've met were rather good at making money the "successful" liberals I've met are better at taking money
Social liberals and fiscal conservatives, is that a good thing?
I call bullshit.
@@vincentgiasullo thats called being a libertarian
@@your_waifu_hates_you and what are your thoughts on them?
I don't think I became more conservative, everyone just went more left.
This ^
Claudia Conway:"You're mad your marriage failed."
If she were my daughter she would've gotten her ass smacked for that comment.
In high school my history teacher said, "If you're young and not liberal, you have no heart. But if you're an adult and not conservative, you have no brain."
20 years later, he was right.
That's a paraphrasing of Winston Churchill's quote
Yeah Kellyanne didn't come off great in those videos her daughter posted, but have you seen how evil a 15 year old girl can be to her parents when the camera isn't on?
My guess is shit hit a boiling point and the daughter played it cool while mom explodes.
I suppose her job didn't allow her to be as good of a parent as she otherwise would've and could've been. Unfortunately, that seems to be the reality of parents who spend little to no time with their kids. Which is why I want to travel and potentially change the world now before I have kids.
If I have a daughter like her, bridge goes both ways. She burned the bridge, she doesn't get to come back. If I die, my wealth die with me.
As I get older I want to do the best for the family as I know how. Doesn't mean the know how is correct. It worked for me, should work for the daughter as well. So kind of sympathize there.
And at some point, you do you. I'll provide the bare minimum required by law until I don't have to anymore.
I’ve found that the older I’ve gotten the more right wing my beliefs have become, because I’ve watched society and culture around me change and become almost unrecognizable. I don’t think the leftward march is ultimately going to result in the betterment of society.
Why is that?
@Vincent Giasullo Because the left isn’t leading society in a direction where people learn to be morally upright citizens. Rather it is incentivizing a culture of narcissism and entitlement.
@@nsanenbrane53 what do you think about social liberalism and fiscal conservatism?
@Vincent Giasullo As in people holding both positions at once? Not really a fan. Both social liberalism and fiscal conservatism have their merits but I don’t really think that’s an adequate political philosophy.
Can we take a moment to compare the message in this video to the parable of the Prodigal Son.
For me it's the unwillingness to accept victory. The left groups I was associated with (as a gay leaning man) fought for gay marriage rights through most of my 20s. I campaigned, held raffles and dinners and spoke to mayor's and celebrities to push this cause. We finally achieved the goal, but there was a bad smell in the room. That smell was those who didn't know where their next charity related paycheck would come from or soiree to attend. And thus the goalposts moved, to gay marriage even in religious halls, removing the 'enemies' safe space. Total domination. And then 4 bathroom types in every office and use these pronouns or go to jail...
I have since sincerely shifted to right leaning Liberal. Still gay though. But wasn't born that way. It's a preference.
I recall when I was young I saw a French woman protesting gays on TV. She was saying that accepting homosexuality was a gateway to pedophilia and pthef degenaracy. I laughed back then but now it pains me to see that she was right. As you stated it should have stopped at the point you mentionned but it carried on...
@@VivAtreyu not nessecary. And what was said did not say that? At all?
@@VivAtreyu She wasn't entirely correct. That being said, the people fighting for gay rights failed to comprehend its grave implications. If they just gave some time to slow down and think about it, they might have come up with a solution that would maintain balance between social justice and social order.
@@linkskywalker5417 the correct solution would have been to remove marriage licenses and abolish the idea that the government gets to intervene in people's marriage (and divorce). Instead let people deal with the topic on their own and help from their local community, religious institution (if they belong to any) and their families. It would have even have the added benefits of getting rid of the divorce industrial complex.
@@linkskywalker5417 I disagree... I more think that, for a good chunk of the gay population, it was done when gay marriage was achieved. GG, campaign completed, we'll reunite every year for beers (or cosmos, if you're of the Camp variety.) The problem was monster hunters running out of monsters. (A very bad problem with any movement and why I tend to gadfly people on my own side about this. It takes great strength to make a movement, it takes greater strength to stop it where it needs to end.) There were brakes on the slippery slope, and most of the people crying it are forgetting that there's no concrete compelling link between gay marriage and obscenity, to coin up an umbrella term, even if that's what happened now. Now malicious actors may want to force such a link into existence, but the existence of a campaign for gay rights does not automatically mean pedo rights and shit. Most of your slippery slope-claiming prophets here are just the benefit of hindsight and didn't actually predict shit, they had a 50/50 shot at being right and if they want credit someone will need to show actual proof of someone pointing out just how we'd get from otherwise tame gay rights advocacy in the 80's to the DesmondIsAmazing crap we got in the late 2010's.
Because I just want to do my job, live my life buy a home and raise a family in peace. When far left people yell at me with the your with me or against me, it just tells me they lack any ability to compromise, argue, and not be insufferable to be around. Personally im more in the middle of taking the good from both sides and try to talk and compromise with people who disagree with either side. However, more and more I find that the more reasonable people are either close to the middle or some what right leaning
Why do people get smarter as you grow up?
Kellyanne Conway shouting at her kid sounds like a serious case of menopause and I’m not being sarcastic. My mother was the same age when she turned into a monster, and turned our home into a nightmare with her nasty attitude and constant screaming. When such a thing happens to a kid it’s very difficult to not end up completely hating your mother. Luckily my father wasn’t having it, and he reined in her shitty attitude.
She is most likely a bad parent trying to force her daughter to be more like. Teens are very anti authoritarian and this kind of shit simply makes things worse.
I'd chalk it up to either wisdom, or gaining something you dont want to lose
Demanding everyone else change while your own life is a mess.
Aging is realising that logic is broken
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Eventually life stops handing you things and instead starts taking them away. And sooner or later you realize you want to keep some of it, especially when it wasnt just handed to you. Like when you were a kid
I heard an old phrase " Todays conservatives are yesterday's liberals." Though this is about the agenda trends that libs love promoting whether it be homosexuality and transgenderism.
Betraying your family is over the top and evil, even for a lefty. I was sort of a shitlib as a kid, and would argue with conservative (sometimes far right) relatives. Even as an immature brainwashed kid, I never even considered trying to slime my own people to outsiders.
God am I glad I grew up in a fairly well adjusted lower middle class household.
I'm barely 18 and want complete isolationism and fully automatic M60s for every citizen. I wonder what I'll be like when I'm 70.
hey,finally someone that I can identify with
For me, it was my first paycheck and seeing how much was deducted in taxes.
For me it was realizing the entropic nature of the left and the decline in social cohesion.
For me it was getting back into work after both destroying my knee and having an extreme epileptic episode - had to pay a shit ton in back tax!!
@@nsanenbrane53 and what’s wrong with social liberalism?
@Vincent Giasullo I didn’t really say anything about social liberalism. It depends on what social policies you are referring to. I am in favor of government programs that benefit people’s wellbeing and grant basic protections. Most of my grievances against the left are cultural. Left wing ideas and attitudes tend to degenerate societal cohesion ie feminism and the decline in healthy relationships, promotion of promiscuous behavior resulting in high depression rates among both men and women in particular. That’s just one example off the top of my head. Watch Devs latest video on weakness it goes more in depth with left wing cultural deterioration.
$450/m for $15,000 deductable for Medicare for me. Cause I totally could afford that and rent at minimum wage (about $10 at the time).
I have a very healthy relationship with my father and my sister does not. I'm a Libertarian/Conservative and she's a Green/Leftist. I think there's a correlation.
I remember in my political science courses in freshman year I asked myself, “which political faction relies on the manipulation of empathy to drive its core policies?”
Guess what party I hate? I used to volunteer for them as well just to be sure of my own thoughts on them, and boy are there some dense, gullible, and well-meaning people being lead by grifting psychopaths hell-bent on sowing division and chaos to juxtapose their savior/god-complex
10:25 "living a more normal life would make people more conservative"
Inb4 "Conservative? I think you mean normal"
Conservatism also changes with times; it's all about preserving what the conservative in question perceives as the "status quo."
Younger conservatives grew up with a different status quo than older conservatives. There's a phrase I like to use to describe this:
"Boomers want things to be like the 1950s; Millennials want things to be like the 90's or 2000s."
I wouldn't say I'm more conservative with age. I'm more understanding of my far right colleagues, and their ideas. When we don't necessarily agree, we don't fight, we talk it out. Sometimes it's how something is worded, and leftist-speak is like a different language to them.
@Bull Moose I don't correlate the two. I have a lot more respect for the far right than conservatives.
well, without watch the vid, easy answer to the question, the older you get the more you learn and the more reality sinks in.
I am 16 and I am not a communist… guess I’m a sociopath
For real question do they push CRT to you in school know or the past few years ???
@@yatarookayama8329 yeah they’ve tried, nobody really gives a shit tho. “Nobody cares” is a good description of racial relations for most normal kids
@@yatarookayama8329 I’d like to revise my comment with a little anecdote.
Yesterday we had a class about post-colonial relationships with Native Americans and European colonists, ending in the message that colonialism in fact never ended and that we are all living in a “colonized” society. The mask was just torn completely off when the lecture ended with the thesis that basically things like work ethic, owning property, and literally having an education was part of colonial indoctrination. It absolutely blew my mind, but when I talked to some friends after the class nobody really seemed to oppose it, was like I was the only sane person in the class. Like they still think it’s just some boring thing that they have to remember for the exam but fuck me, was jarring coming from a college educated APUSH teacher.
Older people tend to be more conservative not because they become it but the paridime moves more left ward that they just want things to be their status quo .
I've experienced that lefty ideological shift from my friends. I honestly didn't believe it was happening at first.
Told to me by an ex Soviet state person:
_-"If you are under 20 and not a Communist, you have no heart... but if you are over 30 and STILL a communist, you have no brain."
I fancied myself a socialist until I got my first paycheque, and realized that I got the same minimum wage as the goofballs who worked half as hard as me, and that on top of that the government was going to take 20% in taxes to pay the people who didn't want to work at all. There's a reason that communists tend to be university students from wealthy families, and not actual members of the "proletariat". Working class lads luv 'ard work, luv fam'ly, luv Ingerland. Simple as.
They don't grow more conservative... they stay the same while the younger people get more progressive.
So basically it was the collective unconscious all along
It all comes back to one of my favorite quotes:
"If you're not a liberal in your 20s, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative in your 40s, you have no brain."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I got more liberal as I got older
"If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not conservative by the time you're old, you have no brain."
- Pauly Shore
I apparently have no heart then. Honestly, I think that's for the best.
Better to have no heart then no brain.
(And obviously, me attributing this to Pauly Shore is a joke. It's been attributed to several people, so who knows where it really came from)
I have a feeling that this generation is not going to sway more conservative as they get older...although the overton window will likely make it seem that way
Weirdly, I've become less "Conservative", but not toward the "progressive" axis and instead towards the "libertarian" axis.
I don't Libertarian sure do seem to be heading in the progressive direction.
Or maybe it's just another step before you become conservative because you know what you realize weed always draws in bad politics.
I can tell from experience, the point at which the kid starts recording is the culmination of them doing fucked up stuff, and they are suddenly the angel.
Great video Dev. Nice work explaining Piaget's model; simple, precise and easy for laymen to understand
Many thanks!
Hmm. After reading the comments I think that we are just stuck fighting against each other by putting everyone (including ourselves) into nice little boxes.
I certainly do not care what you politically think, as long as you are not endangering anyone in your beliefs then what gives?
Live and let live.
Revolution is a young mans game. The older you get the more you accept the reality of how things are.. and you do not actually WANT them to change.
Also the more you make with your hands and aquire the more you want to conserve what is yours
I miss mean tweets
@@oldluke7653 mean tweets made for a great president
@@maeton-gaming Don't worry ....Joe is F-ing the the pooch biggly...we got 2022 in bag then 2024 for sure if Joe kicks or hand it off to Katoken Embarrass
@@oldluke7653 still have to deal with them rigging elections first
Short answer: because now you actually own something. Your car, a condo, a house, you have kids, you have a job/career, SOMETHING that you are now responsible for. And it makes you realize that the "free education" or "free healthcare" comes out of YOUR pocket. Not thin air. And suddenly you don't want your rights infringed on and BOOM! Conservative. Or at least independent.
1: better understanding of human nature
2: having your own family that you have responsibilities for
3: looking after your own finances
Though there are many people with families and jobs that don't become conservative necessarily but rather become or stay a moderate liberal. My views have remained almost entirely the same since high school and I'm in my mid 30s with a wife a kids and a house. I am still a person best described as a moderate left libertarian. I strongly believe there's a role for public organizations (governments) and private organizations (small and large businesses, non-profits, not-for-profits and so on). I don't like the idea of those two mixing or involving themselves in teh affairs of the other. Public orgs shouldn't engage in enterprises which are not wholly public and private organizations shouldn't take on public roles, like having privately run prisons as the potential profit motive behind incarceration is rather concerning. I think we should have very limited laws regulating the actions of individuals, and more laws regulating the actions of corporations as corporate power can be as great as government power, this has been known for a long time. I don't think the government should be operating in the realm of morality. This was a problem in the late 70s through 2000s as it pertained to the religious right, now we have a moralizing left. I don't like critical social justice as it doesn't operate according to the enlightenment rationality or liberalism which are core to the US. I do not agree with conservatives when it comes to a number of policies from tax policy to regulatory policy and other things, but that doesn't seem to matter now. I think that if "public health" is a thing then we should have a national health insurance system, medicare for all perhaps.
As a result of all of the above I am lumped in with conservatives by the left and lumped in with the left by the conservatives.
Side? I am on nobody's side, because nobody is on my side.
I always been a conservative my whole life but I do understand where a lot of liberals are coming from. They described it as being politically homeless.
I don't know. My grandma is one of the most insane hardcore leftists I've ever seen. She's 87. I still love her but we can't talk politics at all. That's the part that bugs me now, we can't even discuss politics and that's been recent. Last 5-10 years or so. I've never really considered myself conservative but according to her because I don't make snap decisions on news headlines and like to gather information first so I'm literally Hitler. I miss her, she makes some damn good lasagna.
What a great video. I found this very informative and may use it to refer back to layer.
Thanks, SFO!
You're very welcome!
I just got done watching the video on Odysee(I don't know if you read comments on Odysee, so I'm commenting here), but one other reason why I suspect this to be the case is, at least for the moment with the current education, the liberal indoctrination that is happens in school wears off as they experience more of the world. I don't remember like 90% of the stuff I was taught in school because new memories and knowledge have replaced old ones. I also feel like its less likely for you to get liberal indoctrination than you are to get conservative indoctrination, since as far as I know, publicly funded education is a value from liberals.
Hollow Knight is bad.
don't remember like 90% of the stuff I was taught in school , i feel that for me will be 80% !
I remember long ago watching a news program about liberal parents who raised kids who turned out to be conservative, and how that experience is as a parent. One of the couples said the most insightful, mature things I'd ever heard from an adult: "Look, we raised our son to be independent, a critical thinker, and to make his own conclusions and decisions. We gave him those tools, we can't be upset he used them and came to his own conclusions like we taught him to do."
I'm like DAMN, if even only half of parents were that enlightened and consistent with their ideals, actually TOLERANT, our problems would reduce massively. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they die to you, they just disagree. It's not the end of the world, and if it is that's sad.
I'm calling for the Voting age to be raised to 30.
Grow up,... which becomes a little ironic considering your opinion.
Actually we need more younger politicians
1:40 "What? Wut? Wuet? Huat?" Lmao 🤣
So Kellyane is a terrible mother, her ex-husband was a weak man and her daughter is the typical product of a broken home? Yeah, nothing remotely shocks me about this.
Even less so the fact that she's a working mom who doesn't spend enough time with her daughter.
Society keeps moving left til it collapses and the ensuing hardship causes a reset. Only to begin moving left again once things start getting comfortable again.
I agree that conservatives and liberals need to start coming together on some things. No one side is always right and all the negativity and fighting is getting us literally no where. Also people need to focus on what is happening in there current world and life and stop raging about "the world" as the internet portrays it.