Pontiff is just another word for Pope. It's a derivation of Pontifex, because in ancient roman times the head priest was the "Pontifex Maximus" or "greatest bridge builder". The Pope is the Pontiff of the Christian religion, also called the "Supreme Pontiff" as a modern version of pontifex maximus. The word "Pope" doesn't always have the same meaning. In the early Christian church there were many popes. It was originally just another word for bishop. In some Orthodox churches any parish priest is a pope. In my opinion, "Pontiff" is an appropriate translation.
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The word Pontiff is derivative of the Latin 'PontifEX'. Sulyvahn also has a removed animation where he performs a cross cut. Consider also how he ANNEXED Anor Londo Other painted world denizens include CROSSbreed Priscilla, the wheel-cross skeletons, phalanX, Xanthous King Jeremiah... Inside the cold painting, curiosity could be your cross.
What if this was secretly Miyazaki who made this channel to clear up mistranslations Can confirm heavenly is mistranslated from noble. I went on the Japanese Wiki, found the text and ran it through word by word on a translator and indeed the word noble is the proper translation. Is there a chance that Rosaria is related to Gwynevere? Something I'm noticing with Miyazaki is that when he writes he uses specific and carefully chosen words to act as a throughline to connect ideas and concepts. I'm trying to learn and use his style and technique in my own writing.
I think Rosaria is related to Gwynevere. Probably a descendant is what I'm thinking. And I agree with you. Miyazaki has a very specific style to his writing. I love his writing style.
Thanks my friend. I dunno if I have the bandwidth to make and run a Discord community regarding translation lore. I'd love to. I just don't think I would be able to commit the time that a discord community would deserve and need.
A few things I want to question here First, you say that pontiff was responsible for the evil eye destroying Astoria, but that event is talked about all the way back in DS1. And I know there's time fuckery throughout the series, but doesn't that seem to imply that pontiff would have done that thousands of years before ds3? He would have to be quite old, and have not been mentioned anywhere else until his coup at anor Londo/ds3 in general I don't see why you would assume that pontiff gave an eye to the evil eye. Could it not be that pontiff got the idea for his eyes from that event, or from understanding the processes of dark that birthed it? I also don't understand the final note. Are you saying that because Gertrude is angelic, she can't be Gwynevere's daughter because Gwynevere only had noble children? Because I don't see it saying she "only" had noble children. Having many noble children does not preclude having angelic ones And going along with the note before that, things being considered "angelic" or "godly" are often up to hearsay and subjectivity. I don't understand how "was even revered as a goddess" proves that it isn't Gwynevere. Firstly, when you say the queen is being compared to Gwynevere, do you mean the game is comparing them for us the player using referential language, or that the people of Lothric literally compared her to Gwynevere? Because I don't see the second one would make sense with that language, and the first one could just be the game winking at us that it's Gwynevere without saying it out loud.
I was never a fan of the widely proclaimed theory that Gwynewere was just the straight up wife to the King of Lothric not only was it explicitly stated that she married Flan but it would not have made much sense for the royal House of Lothric having to go to such extreme lengths to create an heir to link the fire if they had the blood of the actual Anor Londo Royalty in the mix I would also argue that Lothric came long, long after Anor Londo, being were originally the Dukes Archives stood, so the timeline of a Daughter who lived in the Time of the Great Lord running off, then coming back to marry the King of the following Kingdom of her own ruined one really did not make sense to me
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The Ring of Evil Eye and the lore about a beast assaulting Astora predates the existence of Sulyvahn as it can be found in The Depths in DS1. That ring has always been a mystery to me because its location is tucked away in a side area passed a load of basilisks. I think you're dead on that knights from Astora are of Noble decent. This is reinforced by Ricard wearing the Elite Armour guarding two chests with one of them containing a Divine Blessing. Also Sen's Fortress is pretty much the Nameless King's training fortress, making the link that it's royal building. BTW can you answer this for me. For the longest time the definition of 'Sen' has been of much debate in the Souls community. I personally think that Sen's Fortress is supposed to mean War God's Fortress. The reason is that the firstborn has had his name purged from history, so people from now on refer to the fortress by his rank in the gods because that is all that is known about him. It's written in Katakana so a lot of people think Sen is his name, but I think it is a play on words because Katakana is used to describe foreign names to Japanese, which is used to distinguish from descriptions, actions and occupations in Kanji. The term "War God's Fortress" is an inelegant name in English, which I can see why Sen's Fortress was used, but for me I just call it War Fortress as it still maintains its function and an air of mystery of its patron.
Sen means "thousand" in Japanese. I'm more inclined to believe the name is "Thousands Fortress" as in "fortress where thousands of warriors come through or trained in.," 千(sen)→thousand
@@KanonMulticraft Sen also means battle or war. The question is about clarification from a native Japanese speaker, and as I point out it makes more sense given the fact the Nameless King had his name purged from history. It doesn't make sense for it to be thousand because Sen's Fortress is written as possessive, meaning Thousand would be a name.
Regarding "Sen" its hard to say what the word could point to. センSen is written in katakana so its hard to point to which Sen the meaning could be pointing to. Sen can mean battle戦. But it also can mean thousand千. But can also mean ship船. and many others. If the castle was meant to mean War God's Fortress or Battle Fortress, I feel like a different name fromセンの古城(Sen no Kojyou)Sen's Ancient Castle would've been used. I always assumed it was the name of one of the gods from Anor Londo. But I don't think Sen is the name of the Firstborn.
Amazing video, full of insight, like all of your videos XD If Gwynevere isnt in fact the queen of Lothrik as the japanese seems to point at, I wonder where that leaves the conection Rosaria - queen of Lothrik - Gwynevere. Also, that theory from a decade ago where Solariee was the first born etc. So he wasnt the first born but it was a distant descendant of Gwynevere then? And same for Oscar and King Astor? Keep up the good work my friend
Thanks my friend. I assume Rosaria is a descendant of Gwynevere but I'm open to new theories. Queen of Lothrik, I'm still unsure of. For now, I'm leaning towards her being the fire keeper mentioned in the dark sigil. And Solaire is a distant descendant of Gwynevere for sure. Likely Oscar as well yes since he's from Astora. I pretty much theories the bulk of the royalty and nobility are descendants of Gwynevere. This includes Ricard.
If Gwynevere is not Queen of Lothric then does this still leave the possibility for her to be Rosaria? I would be interested in you delving into Rosaria and anything on Flame God Flann so we can a piece together more about Gwynevere
Sulyvahn's swords are references to Velka. Greatsword of Judgement -> Judgement Set = Velka's set Greatsword of Sin -> Goddess of Sin Bonuses: Dancer of BV is a reference to Sufi Dervishes Boreal is a combo of "bore"(erode) and "real". Vordt (and Velstadt and Licia of Lindeldt [sic]) are references to the infinitesimal, dt, in calculus. Aurora veil -> Aurora = Chasma = Abyss
Interesting ideas. The connection to Velka might connect Sulyvahn to the occult rebellion, and the Dancer being a reference to Sufism may indicate her dancing was for a higher purpose than showing off the Pontiff's authority. Dervishes often dance in order to enter a meditative trance of sorts, to commune with the divine. Did the Pontiff wish for her to do the same? But then, what would an impious man like Sulyvahn consider divine?
Given we don’t know Gwynevere’s fate in 3, it’s more safe to assume that history had repeated itself. Fist she ran of with Flan to Astor, then around when Sulyvahn took over, Oceiros married someone “Gwynevere”-like but “obviously” “not” “Gwynevere” else why would Sulyvahn send outriders to Loftrian and sure is a cowincidenced around the time the kingdom falls to undead and ruin the queen up and disappears? Very Gwynevere patterns.
The connection between the eyes,Beasthood and cannibalism is pretty interesting. Still, I'm curious: If they represent vengeance, then what for? Sulyvahn doesn't look like a person who'd be offended by moral depravity or hypocrisy. His fire is literally the Flame Of Sin. As such, whatever makes him hate the gods must be very personal. I just have trouble imagining what it is, and how much of it is his Flame talking. Aldrich seems pretty clear in comparison. A twisted mind,to be sure. As a cleric, he lived in a world where no one was there who could link the Fire. Not being a warrior,he initially couldn't either,so instead, he grew strength through eating people. It is possible Sulyvahn convinced him with that logic, and indeed, it worked. The Church following Aldrich is a different sect from Sulyvhan's, and he linked the Flame. Only after waking up again, did he realise all he did was for nothing, and began seeing visions of the deep Sea to prepare for. Sidenote: What do you think angels are, precisely?
Good points. Perhaps the Darklurker was a scholar who found what they sought. Oolacile fell for trying their hand at the Dark, after all.Perhaps, someone learned from their mistakes. Some of them visited the Painted World, so, Sulyvahn could've picked up a few things. Still, that doesn't quite explain his desire for terrible vengeance on the gods. Moreover, since he resembles the Darklurker, what exactly is he seeking?
My thoughts: Lindelt/Londor originated the Angelic faith. It is unknown whether it was invented or discovered by Lindelt but Darklurker was an angel, Milfanito were based on Cherubim (spirits of Harmony), the giants were partially based on Nephilim, the Throne(s) themselves were angels (spirits of Will). Gael even becomes an Archangel (note that angel means messenger, and that Gael leaves multiple messages). Sulyvahn's painted world is a Lindelt restoration of the original. The word Ariandel is a reference to Arendelle, Norway (as seen in Frozen) as well as Arundel, England and Allendale, England (as seen in An Arundel Tomb (poem), as seen in Rose of Allendale (folksong)). Sulyvahn was a Lindelt scholar and his mother was a witchtree. I think he was experimenting with using frost as a preservative.
@@core-nix1885 Interesting, though I've heard some indicate the cut lines indicate a female child of a witchtree. In any case, it does explain part of his appearance. The Angelic Faith does seem to have roots in Dark Souls 2, but Gertrude either founded it or was it's principle " prophet" ,being the first to see such beings in Lothric. The principles of this faith are vague at best, but I don't think they squarely coincide with those in Lindelt,known for it's devoted clerics. The only ones we can accuse of some degree of heresy would be the Archdrake Sect, and even then, it's not quite as dark-focused as Londor. If anything, Londor is likely born from more than one religious tradition, in my opinion. However, Lindelt was indeed likely connected to the Painting. The Painting doesn't need much in the way of introducing new occult and dark elements, since it was created in the first place to contain at least some of them within it's purview. As such, it could be that Sulyvahn, as a sorcerer and a cleric, was inspired by both traditions during his upbringing. With that said, Londor itself appears to have some connections to the Painting as well, but also began outside of it. Kaathe is a likely candidate, given Yuria's words, and others may have been involved. Others include Aldia and possibly, the Bearer Of The Curse. All of them could've influenced Lindelt, and others, into something different. Something new. Something beyond light and dark. If I may ask, though, what makes you think Londor is Lindelt specifically?
@@core-nix1885I know it's been a while, but after playing through the Shrine Of Amana, I think I see your point on the Angelic Faith. If the Shrine is devoted to the Darklurker, then the Shrine's residents do indeed possess an earlier version of the Angelic Faith, and the residents themselves are from Lindelt, including the Archdrake Sect. I have also come to learn that the sect exhibits " hypocrisy" by using some level of sorcery, which makes sense in this context of exploring the bounds of Light and Dark. I also have the sneaking suspicion that the Shrine is somehow older, but that's only because of a single Old Knight I crossed paths with, which hardly proves anything. As for Lothric having a second coming of the Faith, this may in fact have something to do with Lothric's origins. You've probably watched the video on this channel which states it shares it's Four Pillars with Heide, originally. If Lindelt considered Heide to be a Holy land, and Heide itself is a dead nation, then Lothric was most likely founded by former residents of Lindelt, with some still being familiar with tales of the Shrine and the Angel within. It would certainly explain how it took off so quickly.
Could you make a video about Patches if he really can be the furtive pygmy or the first pygmy to take dark souls? There are many theories as to why he can travel between worlds after what he says in the ringed city.
No, it isn't. We just got that the Queen Of Lothric isn't Gwynevere, that her children and Astora are connected due to using the same terms of description( to my knowledge, no one ever referenced this idea. Or the fact she mightve gone to Astora in the first place), and that the Weathered Straight Sword is the exact same weapon used to slay the Evil Eye long ago, which curiously depends not on any measure of faith, but luck. An attribute of humanity. We also got Solaire's identity, albeit away from the more complicated theories disproven by the Nameless King's existence.
@@alyseleem2692 Well the OP jumped the gun with Astora's translation. There is a difference in defining "Nobility" and "The Old Royalty" The Old Royalty are Gwyn's family. The Nobility can mean anything from Deific Nobles of Anor Londo, to Human nobles from any of the settlements. I like the idea of Astora being closer to the Gods than other locations, but characters like Solaire was definetly just a human, and not a demigod Irythyllian. Irythyllian is a racial trait in DS3 but so his Astora Nobility, they are different fundamentally
@@Garl_Vinland Firstly, Astora is not like Irithylll because Irithyll is literally Anor Londo itself. It's denizens are handpicked for their resemblance to the gods, and even then, they still look human. As such, Astora's people are likely more distantly related, and look more like humans. This,of course, doesn't go into the theory of Flame God Flann from before. The word used the same word used for Gwynevere's children, and if it was literally just a country full of nobles, I'll eat my hat.
@@alyseleem2692 Yeah buddy, I know Irithyll is Anor Londo. The Medials that exist in Anor Londo (Like Artorias) are not human. The facial features shown in the Irithyllian trait are not human, or atleast not fully human unlike the Astora Noble trait. Astora is a land of humans. Like Carim or Thorolund. The one contrary use of the word "Nobles" In Japanese no doubt, to ascribe Gwyn's Children, does not mean every use of the word "Noble" means Gwyn's Children. After all, Flame God Flann is mentioned exactly once in the whole series and is never mentioned again, not even in the Japanese text- but it is mentioned. The Lore is, unfortunately, fallible.
@@Garl_Vinland Except it is only used twice,and it is used for Gwynevere's children specifically, which is odd because her children shouldn't just be called nobles. They are divine. In fact, the translators mightve thought it was a mistake,which is why they replaced it with heavenly, but in the context of lore, it has more than a little value.And, more importantly, the difference in features between Astorans and Irithyllians comes from the distance each have from their own ancestors. Irithyllians are close enough that some of them might actually have divine parents or grandparents,because they live in Anor Londo or are picked for that specific reason. Astora had only one wave of gods visit them, during what was likely the middle of the very first Age Of Fire , before Gwyn even linked the Flame. I don't suppose you see the point in that difference.
Personally, I think if Astora fell before DS1, Sulyvahn can't have been the one to do it. The evil eyes do seem linked to the Black Eye Orbs though. Also, I think Gertrude is the Fire Keeper; if not for Gael, she paves the way to the Dreg Heap and Ringed City - endpoint of Lindelt and Londor pilgrimages. Her crown is also similar to Lorian's, indicating a relation.
The evil eyes and linked to Nito and Velka in DS1. Nito literally in a description is stated to await the era of the evil eye. Can't remember if it's era or time. Velka is also likely Melina before dying and losing her memory.
@@Stephen-so9oi Nito is a transposition of the word Not-I, which is a concept from the philosophy of Fichte (nicht-ich), drawing upon Descartes' "I think therefore I am." The Not-I is symbolised by the Basilisks who have false eyes. Death sounds like desu [dess] to a Japanese ear, which is the verb "to be". Hence, "eye of death" becomes "I of Desu", the "I of Being" - This is similar to Fichte's "Absolute I" that posits the "I" and the "Not-I". There's also stuff linking "Eye" and "I" in Bloodborne but I digress. Also Velka represents the Eternal Feminine, and is symbolised through Absence, in contrast to Gwyn representing the Eternal Masculine, symbolised through Presence.
Pontiff is just another word for Pope. It's a derivation of Pontifex, because in ancient roman times the head priest was the "Pontifex Maximus" or "greatest bridge builder". The Pope is the Pontiff of the Christian religion, also called the "Supreme Pontiff" as a modern version of pontifex maximus. The word "Pope" doesn't always have the same meaning. In the early Christian church there were many popes. It was originally just another word for bishop. In some Orthodox churches any parish priest is a pope. In my opinion, "Pontiff" is an appropriate translation.
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The word Pontiff is derivative of the Latin 'PontifEX'.
Sulyvahn also has a removed animation where he performs a cross cut.
Consider also how he ANNEXED Anor Londo
Other painted world denizens include CROSSbreed Priscilla, the wheel-cross skeletons, phalanX, Xanthous King Jeremiah...
Inside the cold painting, curiosity could be your cross.
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What if this was secretly Miyazaki who made this channel to clear up mistranslations
Can confirm heavenly is mistranslated from noble.
I went on the Japanese Wiki, found the text and ran it through word by word on a translator and indeed the word noble is the proper translation.
Is there a chance that Rosaria is related to Gwynevere?
Something I'm noticing with Miyazaki is that when he writes he uses specific and carefully chosen words to act as a throughline to connect ideas and concepts.
I'm trying to learn and use his style and technique in my own writing.
I think Rosaria is related to Gwynevere. Probably a descendant is what I'm thinking.
And I agree with you. Miyazaki has a very specific style to his writing.
I love his writing style.
@@ChannelYoshimitsu glad to see more of your videos.
Miyazaki is the main inspiration for the writing style I'm trying to develop.
These are so fucking well-researched. Have you thought about making a Discord community or something like that?
Moderating people is a lot of work
@@DonutSwordsman Oh yeah, I know it; I run three. I just want more of this.
Thanks my friend. I dunno if I have the bandwidth to make and run a Discord community regarding translation lore.
I'd love to. I just don't think I would be able to commit the time that a discord community would deserve and need.
A few things I want to question here
First, you say that pontiff was responsible for the evil eye destroying Astoria, but that event is talked about all the way back in DS1. And I know there's time fuckery throughout the series, but doesn't that seem to imply that pontiff would have done that thousands of years before ds3? He would have to be quite old, and have not been mentioned anywhere else until his coup at anor Londo/ds3 in general
I don't see why you would assume that pontiff gave an eye to the evil eye. Could it not be that pontiff got the idea for his eyes from that event, or from understanding the processes of dark that birthed it?
I also don't understand the final note. Are you saying that because Gertrude is angelic, she can't be Gwynevere's daughter because Gwynevere only had noble children? Because I don't see it saying she "only" had noble children. Having many noble children does not preclude having angelic ones
And going along with the note before that, things being considered "angelic" or "godly" are often up to hearsay and subjectivity.
I don't understand how "was even revered as a goddess" proves that it isn't Gwynevere. Firstly, when you say the queen is being compared to Gwynevere, do you mean the game is comparing them for us the player using referential language, or that the people of Lothric literally compared her to Gwynevere? Because I don't see the second one would make sense with that language, and the first one could just be the game winking at us that it's Gwynevere without saying it out loud.
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I was never a fan of the widely proclaimed theory that Gwynewere was just the straight up wife to the King of Lothric
not only was it explicitly stated that she married Flan but it would not have made much sense for the royal House of Lothric having to go to such extreme lengths to create an heir to link the fire if they had the blood of the actual Anor Londo Royalty in the mix
I would also argue that Lothric came long, long after Anor Londo, being were originally the Dukes Archives stood, so the timeline of a Daughter who lived in the Time of the Great Lord running off, then coming back to marry the King of the following Kingdom of her own ruined one really did not make sense to me
Damn, I'll never say no for a Pontiff lore
I've just found your channel, and you keep blowing me away with your videos. Clear and concise and really insightful. I'm learning things I thought would never be answered. Thanks Yoshi!
The Ring of Evil Eye and the lore about a beast assaulting Astora predates the existence of Sulyvahn as it can be found in The Depths in DS1. That ring has always been a mystery to me because its location is tucked away in a side area passed a load of basilisks. I think you're dead on that knights from Astora are of Noble decent. This is reinforced by Ricard wearing the Elite Armour guarding two chests with one of them containing a Divine Blessing. Also Sen's Fortress is pretty much the Nameless King's training fortress, making the link that it's royal building.
BTW can you answer this for me. For the longest time the definition of 'Sen' has been of much debate in the Souls community. I personally think that Sen's Fortress is supposed to mean War God's Fortress. The reason is that the firstborn has had his name purged from history, so people from now on refer to the fortress by his rank in the gods because that is all that is known about him. It's written in Katakana so a lot of people think Sen is his name, but I think it is a play on words because Katakana is used to describe foreign names to Japanese, which is used to distinguish from descriptions, actions and occupations in Kanji. The term "War God's Fortress" is an inelegant name in English, which I can see why Sen's Fortress was used, but for me I just call it War Fortress as it still maintains its function and an air of mystery of its patron.
Sen means "thousand" in Japanese. I'm more inclined to believe the name is "Thousands Fortress" as in "fortress where thousands of warriors come through or trained in.,"
千(sen)→thousand
@@KanonMulticraft Sen also means battle or war. The question is about clarification from a native Japanese speaker, and as I point out it makes more sense given the fact the Nameless King had his name purged from history. It doesn't make sense for it to be thousand because Sen's Fortress is written as possessive, meaning Thousand would be a name.
@@slightlytwistedagain i thought the nameless kings name was Faraam...
@@whatsnewbois9814 It pretty much is. But is it his birth name rediscovered, or a new name given to him? We will never know.
Regarding "Sen" its hard to say what the word could point to.
センSen is written in katakana so its hard to point to which Sen the meaning could be pointing to.
Sen can mean battle戦. But it also can mean thousand千. But can also mean ship船. and many others.
If the castle was meant to mean War God's Fortress or Battle Fortress,
I feel like a different name fromセンの古城(Sen no Kojyou)Sen's Ancient Castle would've been used.
I always assumed it was the name of one of the gods from Anor Londo. But I don't think Sen is the name of the Firstborn.
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If Gwynevere isnt in fact the queen of Lothrik as the japanese seems to point at, I wonder where that leaves the conection Rosaria - queen of Lothrik - Gwynevere.
Also, that theory from a decade ago where Solariee was the first born etc. So he wasnt the first born but it was a distant descendant of Gwynevere then? And same for Oscar and King Astor?
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I assume Rosaria is a descendant of Gwynevere but I'm open to new theories.
Queen of Lothrik, I'm still unsure of. For now, I'm leaning towards her being the fire keeper mentioned in the dark sigil.
And Solaire is a distant descendant of Gwynevere for sure. Likely Oscar as well yes since he's from Astora. I pretty much theories the bulk of the royalty and nobility are descendants of Gwynevere. This includes Ricard.
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If Gwynevere is not Queen of Lothric then does this still leave the possibility for her to be Rosaria? I would be interested in you delving into Rosaria and anything on Flame God Flann so we can a piece together more about Gwynevere
I assume Rosaria is a descendant of Gwynevere but it's possible she could be a twisted version of Gwynevere.
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Sulyvahn's swords are references to Velka.
Greatsword of Judgement -> Judgement Set = Velka's set
Greatsword of Sin -> Goddess of Sin
Bonuses: Dancer of BV is a reference to Sufi Dervishes
Boreal is a combo of "bore"(erode) and "real".
Vordt (and Velstadt and Licia of Lindeldt [sic]) are references to the infinitesimal, dt, in calculus.
Aurora veil -> Aurora = Chasma = Abyss
Interesting ideas. The connection to Velka might connect Sulyvahn to the occult rebellion, and the Dancer being a reference to Sufism may indicate her dancing was for a higher purpose than showing off the Pontiff's authority.
Dervishes often dance in order to enter a meditative trance of sorts, to commune with the divine. Did the Pontiff wish for her to do the same? But then, what would an impious man like Sulyvahn consider divine?
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Given we don’t know Gwynevere’s fate in 3, it’s more safe to assume that history had repeated itself. Fist she ran of with Flan to Astor, then around when Sulyvahn took over, Oceiros married someone “Gwynevere”-like but “obviously” “not” “Gwynevere” else why would Sulyvahn send outriders to Loftrian and sure is a cowincidenced around the time the kingdom falls to undead and ruin the queen up and disappears? Very Gwynevere patterns.
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now that i think about it you know what Profane flame reminds me off? Izalith's flame
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The connection between the eyes,Beasthood and cannibalism is pretty interesting. Still, I'm curious:
If they represent vengeance, then what for? Sulyvahn doesn't look like a person who'd be offended by moral depravity or hypocrisy. His fire is literally the Flame Of Sin. As such, whatever makes him hate the gods must be very personal. I just have trouble imagining what it is, and how much of it is his Flame talking.
Aldrich seems pretty clear in comparison. A twisted mind,to be sure. As a cleric, he lived in a world where no one was there who could link the Fire. Not being a warrior,he initially couldn't either,so instead, he grew strength through eating people. It is possible Sulyvahn convinced him with that logic, and indeed, it worked. The Church following Aldrich is a different sect from Sulyvhan's, and he linked the Flame. Only after waking up again, did he realise all he did was for nothing, and began seeing visions of the deep Sea to prepare for.
Sidenote:
What do you think angels are, precisely?
Good points. Perhaps the Darklurker was a scholar who found what they sought. Oolacile fell for trying their hand at the Dark, after all.Perhaps, someone learned from their mistakes. Some of them visited the Painted World, so, Sulyvahn could've picked up a few things.
Still, that doesn't quite explain his desire for terrible vengeance on the gods. Moreover, since he resembles the Darklurker, what exactly is he seeking?
My thoughts:
Lindelt/Londor originated the Angelic faith. It is unknown whether it was invented or discovered by Lindelt but Darklurker was an angel, Milfanito were based on Cherubim (spirits of Harmony), the giants were partially based on Nephilim, the Throne(s) themselves were angels (spirits of Will).
Gael even becomes an Archangel (note that angel means messenger, and that Gael leaves multiple messages).
Sulyvahn's painted world is a Lindelt restoration of the original.
The word Ariandel is a reference to Arendelle, Norway (as seen in Frozen) as well as Arundel, England and Allendale, England (as seen in An Arundel Tomb (poem), as seen in Rose of Allendale (folksong)).
Sulyvahn was a Lindelt scholar and his mother was a witchtree. I think he was experimenting with using frost as a preservative.
@@core-nix1885 Interesting, though I've heard some indicate the cut lines indicate a female child of a witchtree. In any case, it does explain part of his appearance.
The Angelic Faith does seem to have roots in Dark Souls 2, but Gertrude either founded it or was it's principle " prophet" ,being the first to see such beings in Lothric. The principles of this faith are vague at best, but I don't think they squarely coincide with those in Lindelt,known for it's devoted clerics. The only ones we can accuse of some degree of heresy would be the Archdrake Sect, and even then, it's not quite as dark-focused as Londor. If anything, Londor is likely born from more than one religious tradition, in my opinion. However, Lindelt was indeed likely connected to the Painting.
The Painting doesn't need much in the way of introducing new occult and dark elements, since it was created in the first place to contain at least some of them within it's purview. As such, it could be that Sulyvahn, as a sorcerer and a cleric, was inspired by both traditions during his upbringing. With that said, Londor itself appears to have some connections to the Painting as well, but also began outside of it. Kaathe is a likely candidate, given Yuria's words, and others may have been involved. Others include Aldia and possibly, the Bearer Of The Curse. All of them could've influenced Lindelt, and others, into something different. Something new. Something beyond light and dark.
If I may ask, though, what makes you think Londor is Lindelt specifically?
@@core-nix1885I know it's been a while, but after playing through the Shrine Of Amana, I think I see your point on the Angelic Faith.
If the Shrine is devoted to the Darklurker, then the Shrine's residents do indeed possess an earlier version of the Angelic Faith, and the residents themselves are from Lindelt, including the Archdrake Sect. I have also come to learn that the sect exhibits " hypocrisy" by using some level of sorcery, which makes sense in this context of exploring the bounds of Light and Dark. I also have the sneaking suspicion that the Shrine is somehow older, but that's only because of a single Old Knight I crossed paths with, which hardly proves anything.
As for Lothric having a second coming of the Faith, this may in fact have something to do with Lothric's origins. You've probably watched the video on this channel which states it shares it's Four Pillars with Heide, originally. If Lindelt considered Heide to be a Holy land, and Heide itself is a dead nation, then Lothric was most likely founded by former residents of Lindelt, with some still being familiar with tales of the Shrine and the Angel within. It would certainly explain how it took off so quickly.
Sullivahn wanted revenge cause he was originally from a painted world
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Really awesome content, all our videos are very well researched. Will you ever delve into Elden Ring?
Eventually yes. For now, I'm researching Elden Ring and waiting for the dlc to come out.
Could you make a video about Patches if he really can be the furtive pygmy or the first pygmy to take dark souls? There are many theories as to why he can travel between worlds after what he says in the ringed city.
what does he say
I like how you give the Japanese translation but all this stuff was inferred from the English translation anyway
No, it isn't. We just got that the Queen Of Lothric isn't Gwynevere, that her children and Astora are connected due to using the same terms of description( to my knowledge, no one ever referenced this idea. Or the fact she mightve gone to Astora in the first place), and that the Weathered Straight Sword is the exact same weapon used to slay the Evil Eye long ago, which curiously depends not on any measure of faith, but luck. An attribute of humanity.
We also got Solaire's identity, albeit away from the more complicated theories disproven by the Nameless King's existence.
@@alyseleem2692 Well the OP jumped the gun with Astora's translation. There is a difference in defining "Nobility" and "The Old Royalty"
The Old Royalty are Gwyn's family. The Nobility can mean anything from Deific Nobles of Anor Londo, to Human nobles from any of the settlements. I like the idea of Astora being closer to the Gods than other locations, but characters like Solaire was definetly just a human, and not a demigod Irythyllian.
Irythyllian is a racial trait in DS3 but so his Astora Nobility, they are different fundamentally
@@Garl_Vinland Firstly, Astora is not like Irithylll because Irithyll is literally Anor Londo itself. It's denizens are handpicked for their resemblance to the gods, and even then, they still look human. As such, Astora's people are likely more distantly related, and look more like humans. This,of course, doesn't go into the theory of Flame God Flann from before.
The word used the same word used for Gwynevere's children, and if it was literally just a country full of nobles, I'll eat my hat.
@@alyseleem2692 Yeah buddy, I know Irithyll is Anor Londo. The Medials that exist in Anor Londo (Like Artorias) are not human. The facial features shown in the Irithyllian trait are not human, or atleast not fully human unlike the Astora Noble trait.
Astora is a land of humans. Like Carim or Thorolund.
The one contrary use of the word "Nobles" In Japanese no doubt, to ascribe Gwyn's Children, does not mean every use of the word "Noble" means Gwyn's Children. After all, Flame God Flann is mentioned exactly once in the whole series and is never mentioned again, not even in the Japanese text- but it is mentioned.
The Lore is, unfortunately, fallible.
@@Garl_Vinland Except it is only used twice,and it is used for Gwynevere's children specifically, which is odd because her children shouldn't just be called nobles. They are divine. In fact, the translators mightve thought it was a mistake,which is why they replaced it with heavenly, but in the context of lore, it has more than a little value.And, more importantly, the difference in features between Astorans and Irithyllians comes from the distance each have from their own ancestors. Irithyllians are close enough that some of them might actually have divine parents or grandparents,because they live in Anor Londo or are picked for that specific reason. Astora had only one wave of gods visit them, during what was likely the middle of the very first Age Of Fire , before Gwyn even linked the Flame.
I don't suppose you see the point in that difference.
Wow ths makes alot of sense now
Personally, I think if Astora fell before DS1, Sulyvahn can't have been the one to do it.
The evil eyes do seem linked to the Black Eye Orbs though.
Also, I think Gertrude is the Fire Keeper; if not for Gael, she paves the way to the Dreg Heap and Ringed City - endpoint of Lindelt and Londor pilgrimages.
Her crown is also similar to Lorian's, indicating a relation.
The evil eyes and linked to Nito and Velka in DS1. Nito literally in a description is stated to await the era of the evil eye. Can't remember if it's era or time. Velka is also likely Melina before dying and losing her memory.
@@Stephen-so9oi Nito is a transposition of the word Not-I, which is a concept from the philosophy of Fichte (nicht-ich), drawing upon Descartes' "I think therefore I am."
The Not-I is symbolised by the Basilisks who have false eyes.
Death sounds like desu [dess] to a Japanese ear, which is the verb "to be".
Hence, "eye of death" becomes "I of Desu", the "I of Being" - This is similar to Fichte's "Absolute I" that posits the "I" and the "Not-I".
There's also stuff linking "Eye" and "I" in Bloodborne but I digress.
Also Velka represents the Eternal Feminine, and is symbolised through Absence, in contrast to Gwyn representing the Eternal Masculine, symbolised through Presence.
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So why the change from the Catarina to Havel armor?
Any idea why Sullyvahn wanted revenge on the old gods?
Felt abandoned and clearly he is somewhat related. He sees the lie of the order of white and takes it over from the inside
He also imprisons allfather Lloyd
My guess is Sullyvahn was angry at everything and wanted to see the world burn.