Understanding Strategic Ideas | Karpov vs. Kamsky 1992 - GM Ben Finegold

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  • Опубліковано 30 лип 2013
  • Grandmaster Ben Finegold presents a lecture at the Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis on understanding strategic ideas and small advantages. He looks at a 1992 game between GM Anatoly Karpov and GM Gata Kamsky.
    2013.06.20

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  • @Nic_DM
    @Nic_DM 5 років тому +338

    I'm pretty sure the Tal Memorial is named after Mr. Memorial.

    • @ikinoktace1280
      @ikinoktace1280 3 роки тому +18

      People discredit Mr. Memorial too much nowadays

    • @joeljose182
      @joeljose182 3 роки тому +4

      Named before*

    • @michaellhoover94
      @michaellhoover94 3 роки тому +7

      Show the proper respect!! That's Grandmaster Memorial!!!!

    • @otakurocklee
      @otakurocklee 2 роки тому +4

      Yes because Mr. Memories was really tall.

  • @BrezHurley
    @BrezHurley 8 років тому +344

    Don't castle into checkmate unless you are playing me.
    ~Ben Finegld

  • @re4072
    @re4072 7 років тому +479

    "What did Kamsky do to stop mate?" "resign"

  • @wizardseye
    @wizardseye 10 років тому +73

    His lectures are even funnier in person. He tends to give those in the room a hard time which is hilarious when you know everyone he's talking about.

    • @orangebetsy
      @orangebetsy Рік тому +2

      haha awesome. i can't stop laughing when he breaks the 4th wall with those hilarious looks.

  • @herzwatithink9289
    @herzwatithink9289 9 років тому +233

    My favourite player, Anatoly Karpov, covered by my favourite analyst, Ben Finegold. Doesn't get any better!

  • @johngreco8498
    @johngreco8498 9 років тому +463

    This guy is wayyyy funnier than his class gave him credit for. I would have been laughing too hard if I was in the class haha

    • @WalyB01
      @WalyB01 6 років тому +4

      The knight might go there later.....

    • @gregoroque
      @gregoroque 5 років тому +7

      "That makes our bishop not happy" - cracked me up

    • @joseruiz844
      @joseruiz844 5 років тому +2

      Totally agree. He is very funny indeed!

    • @ronclass1782
      @ronclass1782 5 років тому +1

      I figured that out in less than a minute

    • @msDanielp369
      @msDanielp369 4 роки тому +1

      He's the coolest GM ever!! I dare you name a cooler one

  • @1rauno
    @1rauno 7 років тому +161

    "Mate is good, because then you win!"

  • @mrtampham
    @mrtampham 6 років тому +68

    Strategic ideas are soooo good. When he owned the f file and then went back to control the c file. I would have 100% pushed my kingside pawns and sacrifice something to break open the king.
    This teaches me so much about positioning, preventing opponent's good moves, and patience.

    • @jpg6296
      @jpg6296 5 років тому +3

      Haha, though I prefer the wizardry of Tal, I agree with you, we must first learn strategy and solid positional play before we can have a basis for other styles.

  • @EVANGELOSS54
    @EVANGELOSS54 5 років тому +34

    Finegold is possibly the best chess commentator in the world ... I would love it if he did some A0 vs Stockfish games analysis

  • @buttkrustable
    @buttkrustable 9 років тому +81

    not only did i learn a lot from this but this guy was funny as hell. i need to see more of him.

    • @JamieTransNyc
      @JamieTransNyc 3 роки тому +12

      You will be lucky in that regard, there is a lot of Ben Finegold to see.... at least 280lbs.

  • @aliveli-hq6zk
    @aliveli-hq6zk 8 років тому +133

    "When you play Nc2, it is really hard to play Rc2."

  • @hplovecraftmacncheese
    @hplovecraftmacncheese 8 років тому +40

    I keep coming back to these vids for the jokes.

  • @spartnstarcraft2
    @spartnstarcraft2 9 років тому +12

    this class under appreciates his humor so much. Great analysis in tandem with the jokes always make his lectures the easiest to follow and retain the information. Plz more of Ben.

  • @mitchellhodgemeyer
    @mitchellhodgemeyer 7 років тому +25

    This is my favourite of Ben's lectures (although the Paul Morphy ones are awesome too).

    • @rafaelgmota
      @rafaelgmota 7 років тому +7

      Typical Morphy opponent... Terrible! xD

  • @stopit405
    @stopit405 3 роки тому +5

    His one-liners are so great. I enjoy them every single time.

  • @ss9392
    @ss9392 3 роки тому +4

    My favourite game by far, Karpov's style really stands out to me

  • @LexFloyd
    @LexFloyd 8 років тому +68

    I really felt the pressure to answer at 36:22

    • @fisheatsyourhead
      @fisheatsyourhead 6 років тому +9

      highschool flashbacks of not paying attention and being called for an answer

    • @thijsyo
      @thijsyo 5 років тому +6

      The Tal Memorial, named after mister Memorial

  • @samsadax230
    @samsadax230 3 місяці тому +1

    Karpov's positional skills are unmatched.

  • @ivek7773
    @ivek7773 10 років тому +9

    Man this guy just made my day

  • @joseluisparreno4999
    @joseluisparreno4999 7 років тому +3

    One of the best videos by Ben Finegold.

  • @boschmidt7824
    @boschmidt7824 10 років тому +4

    Amazing lecture, explaining with humor the ideas behind every move. Simply great.

  • @walterparker2641
    @walterparker2641 10 років тому +7

    The most concise and instructional chess lecture I have encountered on UA-cam,

  • @iehudim
    @iehudim 10 років тому +2

    thank you for this precious videos

  • @petersodhi1762
    @petersodhi1762 7 років тому +6

    Superb analysis and presentation

  • @rgsliwa8298
    @rgsliwa8298 6 років тому +1

    A very good lesson by big Ben Finegold. Health is wealth so you can keep teaching.

  • @toastersman217
    @toastersman217 10 років тому +4

    A very instructive video! Thank you!

  • @iamnahidashrafuday
    @iamnahidashrafuday 8 місяців тому

    These lectures are so helpful. His detailed explanations cooperate to understand middle game better!

  • @Uerdue
    @Uerdue 4 роки тому +7

    3:44 Of course we've heard of him! He's a famous f***ing legend!

  • @Crazeyfor67
    @Crazeyfor67 10 років тому +3

    Ben always makes chess fun. I surely missed his coverage at this years U.S. Championship. Yasser did a good job,,but the chemistry of Ben & Jen was superb. Watching their coverage last year made me jump up and drive to St.Louis (from Louisville) to experience the show live. Some of the post game interviews by Maurice Ashley were a bit cheesy and the excitement wasn't there. It all seemed contrived and slightly forced. Ben's coverage is easy and natural. Thanks for the lecture SLT CC

  • @Grandcapi
    @Grandcapi 9 років тому +1

    Very instructive and funny!! Ben is good for young players, he knows how to make them learn and laugh at the same time. It was the first time I watched him on youtube and loved it.

  • @mathewmgmg
    @mathewmgmg 8 років тому +9

    Excellent lecture sir...watched it twice!!
    One of the best lecturers here along with Yasser Seirawan

  • @MyRook
    @MyRook 10 років тому +3

    Great example showing how space advantage gives you all the options(attack and defense).Great piece coordination.

  • @Tobias-fe2hm
    @Tobias-fe2hm 5 років тому

    Thank you for uploading

  • @bhuvanc4992
    @bhuvanc4992 10 років тому +11

    As entertaining as instructive...awesome video!

  • @tarzanhedgepeth354
    @tarzanhedgepeth354 8 років тому +23

    I actually like this game as much as the Fischer-Spassky 1972 game 6. It really revealed a lot about positional playing and also showed the wisdom of both players. Even in championship games, it's not easy to see how the loser was playing very well usually (it always looks so easy watching, though, doesn't it...?)

  • @dangelobenjamin
    @dangelobenjamin 10 років тому

    Both, it's awesome. You learn a lot from Ben!

  • @myriadwhims
    @myriadwhims 10 років тому

    I really enjoyed this lecture! Thanks!

  • @sleepyeyeguy
    @sleepyeyeguy 9 років тому

    Instructive lecture, thanks a lot!

  • @Chris-if1di
    @Chris-if1di 7 років тому +36

    Took 78 seconds for him to mention Paul Morphy xD I love it!

  • @craig7102
    @craig7102 9 років тому +3

    thanks you gave me some idea's hadn't thought of

  • @mottian
    @mottian 8 років тому +84

    5:56 "That's something that we should probably talk about for an hour because I get paid by the hour" :D

    • @followingtheroe1952
      @followingtheroe1952 8 років тому +16

      +Martino Garonzi Sounds like something a "Finegold" would say.

    • @itrofimow
      @itrofimow 8 років тому +3

      +Myrdred Deceiver its just what he said

  • @orlandorodriguez1291
    @orlandorodriguez1291 6 років тому +7

    Watching this in 2018, I find his humor smirkable at most then I remember they're usually kids/teens then I laugh my ass off!

  • @Dybbouk
    @Dybbouk 2 роки тому

    Great game. Great explanation.

  • @joseruiz844
    @joseruiz844 5 років тому

    You make these explanations really enjoyable and vivid. Thanks a lot Ben!

  • @JamesJones-oq7hy
    @JamesJones-oq7hy 9 років тому

    your lectures are awesome

  • @fireballxl-5748
    @fireballxl-5748 Рік тому +1

    Karpov, a very interesting game. Finegold, a very interesting player & commentator

  • @xhemalvezi3999
    @xhemalvezi3999 5 років тому

    It's impossibile to get bored with him. I would pay a lot of money just to follow one of his lessons.

  • @tze-weilim1632
    @tze-weilim1632 8 років тому +25

    I like GM Finegold. He's really funny here.

  • @oshanmodi
    @oshanmodi 10 років тому

    I am your fan.. Ben Finegold.. very helpful illustrations...

  • @Samuel-cu9vo
    @Samuel-cu9vo 4 роки тому +3

    I love the fact that someone was shocked about the knight going to a8 at 17:40

  • @johnhechtlinger9465
    @johnhechtlinger9465 5 років тому

    nice lecture....that Karpov game was impressive....

  • @TexasSizzle
    @TexasSizzle 10 років тому

    Awesome lecture Ben! Also very funny!

  • @johnmichael642
    @johnmichael642 5 років тому

    wow the best chess channel i have ever seen O_O

  • @anasbouayad6826
    @anasbouayad6826 6 років тому +1

    Karpov's gameplay is really magnificent

  • @daveanthony3880
    @daveanthony3880 7 років тому +6

    FINEGOLD IS A CHESS GOD

  • @tharkanzox1493
    @tharkanzox1493 7 років тому +1

    We need ben finegold back

  • @gmcenroe
    @gmcenroe 9 років тому

    really nice lecture and funny at the same time

  • @sleepyeyeguy
    @sleepyeyeguy 10 років тому

    That's a valuable lesson that I learned after being swiftly crushed by a 2200. It's not sufficient to just do what you want to do, but to proactively prevent your opponent's plan. My rating has since improved dramatically!

  • @stanleygsf
    @stanleygsf 10 років тому

    Yaay! Fun lecture!

  • @maelstrom57
    @maelstrom57 10 років тому

    more from Ben!

  • @orangebetsy
    @orangebetsy Рік тому

    The quote that sums it all up for me: "Karpov likes different things than I do"

  • @Inbal_Feuchtwanger
    @Inbal_Feuchtwanger 10 років тому

    This is just awesome

  • @thetransferaccount4586
    @thetransferaccount4586 5 місяців тому

    nice lecture

  • @sleepyeyeguy
    @sleepyeyeguy 10 років тому +5

    "That's something we should talk about for an hour... because I get paid by the hour... right?" friggin hilarious!

  • @GymChess
    @GymChess 10 років тому

    Nice lecture and nice guy.

  • @logansoileau8238
    @logansoileau8238 3 роки тому +1

    The St. Louis chess club is found is in the city of Club.

  • @hiwibaba22
    @hiwibaba22 5 років тому

    Awesome!!!

  • @kingcarisma
    @kingcarisma 8 років тому +221

    Finegolds jokes are very suspicious...but his teaching is not...Cudos..

    • @federicogarcia4446
      @federicogarcia4446 8 років тому +42

      +kingcarisma oh thats not true, his jokes part from a premise equal or boring and then slowy improve to a better and winning punch line, he's jokes are solid.

    • @kingcarisma
      @kingcarisma 8 років тому +3

      Your`e correct!

    • @adatta3046
      @adatta3046 7 років тому +16

      His jokes are just terrible.

    • @Spiderhip
      @Spiderhip 7 років тому +57

      Why is his jokes are suspicious? You with the wrong answer.

    • @johnkom2339
      @johnkom2339 6 років тому +3

      His jokes are at your expense. Sarcasm but keeps the pace lively.

  • @sooooooooDark
    @sooooooooDark 2 роки тому

    43:43
    man id be really curious what the thought process is behind pushing (/sacrificing) the pawns the specific way white does there
    very hard for non titled players to understand 😢

  • @BravingTheOutDoors
    @BravingTheOutDoors 10 років тому +1

    what an incredible game

  • @TheConcentrationmoon
    @TheConcentrationmoon 8 років тому +13

    i dont understand why some portions are edited. Its suspicious!!

  • @manictiger
    @manictiger 7 років тому +10

    Did you know this isn't even Karpov's final form?
    Later on, he fuses with IBM's 'Deep Blue' to become Deep Karpov, during the second 1997 match against Kasparov.

    • @arsenalfanrichi
      @arsenalfanrichi 7 років тому +1

      I swear Karpov was a computer.

    • @LuisManuelLealDias
      @LuisManuelLealDias 5 років тому

      jesus christ, deep blue was as much of an anti-karpov as possible.

  • @tims7174
    @tims7174 6 років тому +2

    That picture in the beginning though....

  • @joshuahunter7972
    @joshuahunter7972 4 роки тому

    Is that a new touch screen? Bens stepping up in the world.

  • @BizuteriaMoxie
    @BizuteriaMoxie 4 роки тому +1

    I like his videos

  • @Crazeyfor67
    @Crazeyfor67 10 років тому

    Actually I haven't watched it all yet. But I will keep your remark about Kamsky's mistakes in mind while viewing.

  • @suleimanshaaban6586
    @suleimanshaaban6586 9 років тому

    Very nice

  • @illmaculatechess
    @illmaculatechess 10 років тому +3

    i watched this lecture super blazed laughed my ass off

  • @youngadultsuis
    @youngadultsuis 10 років тому +9

    Ben Finegold for president!!!!

  • @ThePawn-xi3zb
    @ThePawn-xi3zb 5 років тому +1

    14:08 He glued the pieces into the board.

  • @stateofmontanapal.2506
    @stateofmontanapal.2506 4 роки тому

    Great!

  • @betuscb5707
    @betuscb5707 9 років тому

    buenas combinaciones estrategicas de ajedrez

  • @iMannyLP
    @iMannyLP 4 роки тому

    34:47 why not qf3+ with followed checkmate qg3 or qh3??

  • @thorn35
    @thorn35 5 років тому

    Conrad Holt is a grandmaster born in Witchita Kansas.

  • @meenay2728
    @meenay2728 6 років тому +1

    East or west Ben is the best

  • @RonakBadhe
    @RonakBadhe 6 років тому

    Conrad Holt was born in Kansas @23:32

  • @thomasrebotier1741
    @thomasrebotier1741 4 роки тому

    At 35:02, what is wrong with ... Q c3. It forces queen trade

  • @nfltrrrqwsa7512
    @nfltrrrqwsa7512 4 роки тому

    To me, Qc4 Rd4 is a much stronger move than bxc5 Rdd3, assuming the Krejcik Gambit holds in parallel with a subdivision 6.5 strategy in the end game scenario.

  • @harleykf1
    @harleykf1 4 роки тому +1

    Leela says that 20...Nc6 was a significant inaccuracy. Recommending (I kid you not)... Na8 instead (I'm guessing to prepare b5)

    • @harleykf1
      @harleykf1 4 роки тому

      I think 28... Qh4 was also a decent try for a draw. Fianchettoing the queen was possibly a mistake too. Honestly this game is a pain to analyse even with computers :P

    • @harleykf1
      @harleykf1 4 роки тому

      Ultimately though it was probably Nd8 and b5 that were too passive. Well specifically playing b5 first made a lot more sense.

  • @gregtaylor6146
    @gregtaylor6146 5 років тому

    Whoa there Ben.... you're a veggie? that's awesome man, good for you!!!

  • @MrBardun111
    @MrBardun111 2 роки тому

    10:40 since black defended 2 times his pawn, why doesnt he move his other knight rather (d7)? that way he moves other pieces to develop instead same knigth 2 times. Sure ur bishop will be free now but like, ur other move hasnt moved yet and since we played pawn move to protecrt pawn, now we can play it without blockin our queen.

  • @pfsloan8230
    @pfsloan8230 10 років тому +1

    ...unless you're playing me...can't stop laughing...can't breathe...passing out. OK I may be exaggerating but Ben is a (Grand) master at making a point with such pointed humor one can't help but remember the lesson.

  • @gowri75
    @gowri75 6 років тому

    nice!!

  • @blessedbethelord4835
    @blessedbethelord4835 7 років тому

    isn't pawn h4-h6 at 33:29 mate? why did karpov check with the bishop? is their something im missing?

    • @DoomRater
      @DoomRater 7 років тому

      Blessed betheLord h6 is illegal, because that pawn has already moved, notice how it's on h4 not h2. he'd have to play h5 first which is risky because after black takes, his King can run forward.

    • @DoomRater
      @DoomRater 7 років тому

      Well actually h5 loses the Queen outright because there's no check stopping black from capturing it

  • @vincenozambli6485
    @vincenozambli6485 10 років тому

    Ottimo

  • @nubiankenpo
    @nubiankenpo 7 років тому +20

    The "Don Rickles" of chess. A dry humor savant.

    • @sebastianquilt
      @sebastianquilt 7 років тому +1

      Rickles was more jovial than this guy, whose attention span for humor is about 3 seconds, and who ought to partake in Impractical Jokers, finally, as Joe's fatter, smarter brother :) Great teacher, too.

  • @skillywilly187
    @skillywilly187 7 років тому

    i see old man karpov still playing..whats his fide rating nowadays? also what was his best year rating? was he up in the mid 2800s ?

    • @arsenalfanrichi
      @arsenalfanrichi 7 років тому

      Late 2700's afaik

    • @palmarius104
      @palmarius104 6 років тому +1

      If you adjust for rating inflation then actually he was late 2800s

  • @copypacer7464
    @copypacer7464 6 років тому

    16:00 i dont understand why closing up the position when you have the bishop pair

    • @palmarius104
      @palmarius104 6 років тому

      Well Karpov uses bishops to control counterplay rather than as attacking pieces most of the time.

  • @mottian
    @mottian 8 років тому +11

    6:30 "So, you go to the store and you buy chicken. Right Ben?"

  • @Blaisem
    @Blaisem 4 роки тому

    26:10 could black have just moved his queen to E7 instead of G7? Then repeat between E7 and F8 until white's queen gave up on this pinning tactic or accepted a draw?