Why is The Last of Us HBO Episode 3 so Controversial
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2023
- The last of us hbo episode 3 has been extremely controversial online in the last couple of days for multiple of reasons and in this video, I want to discuss about why the last of us episode 3 is so controversial and other things I want to get out of my chest. A lot of people love episode 3 while also a lot of people hate it for different reasons.
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Fans of the game: "We want to see more of Bill's backstory!"
Craig and Neil: *Dedicate an episode for a Bill and Frank backstory*
Fans of the game: "The episode didn't advance the story!"
No one asked for that
@@flensoest - YOU didn't. Others did.
@@flensoest Speak for yourself. Episode 3 was awesome.
@@flensoest
99% of people love it and are fine with a loving gay couple being on air, if it really bothers you maybe stop being a homophobe perhaps? just a suggestion.
Those are not fans though ..most of them complaining hate Neil
Totally agree with your points made. As far as adaptations go, I think the series does a great job in staying pretty faithful to the source material so far…
Unfortunately, people forget there’s also a dissonance between both mediums, the action and drama are paced differently. Considering TLOU game has a lot of action throughout, it simply isn’t possible to recreate that for every episode, as the production budget would be insanely high, so the writers have to pick certain episodes that are more character driven and shuffle around action/set pieces into other action oriented episodes.
We can’t have it all people, if you don’t like the show, just play the game again. A lot of the new audience become intrigued and then play the games, the fan base grows, allowing us to have more constructive conversations on what the game/show did better. Everybody wins!
If people are losing their shit now. Wait until season/part 2 when they give more context to Lev's backstory. Which personally, I'm very excited to see.
They are gonna die of a heart attack lol
@@apnerds as a Christian you're okay with all of that?
@@edwin99901 It doesn't affect me and I respect people's decisions and lifestyles.
@@apnerdsthank god someone else actually feels that way
I can't wait for people to start foaming at the mouth because of lev's existence LOL
Personally for me it was an amazing experience, hands down the best TV I’ve ever seen and that’s coming from someone who loved both TLOU and Part 2 ..genuinely cried like a baby
I agree. I loved the episode
I’m a huge fan of the last of us 1. I’ve played it through like 12 times. I’ve played part 2 all the way through 4 times even though I don’t like the way the characters were written. I love the gameplay and world. And I love lev and the saraphite stuff. Anyway my opinion is that episode 1 was amazing except for Ellie getting sadistic excited when Joel had to beat a face into a pulp.
Episode 3 sucks. It’s not because bill is gay. I’ve always known he was gay. That does not matter. No matter what this played like a boring save the budget garden lunch party episode.
Lastly if you think this some all time great episode. Go watch breaking bad. Most of the episodes of that entire show are better than this episode.
On any yardstick along the lines of storytelling, writing, acting, production, this episode was top shelf and absolutely deserves to win awards this year. All we're really left with is deconstructing the various guises, excuses and proxies people are using to attack that they hated seeing a storyline about a gay character (who is also gay in the game) and try to re-spin it as an invention by HBO to force a woke agenda because they are viscerally disgusted by gay people.
Its crazy how theyll call us snowflakes, then turn around and freak out over a couple dudes kissing.
Facts
Because it’s weird as hell try watching this shit with family it’s awful
@@gtmo55mack20 there shouldn’t have been a sex scene if this is supposed to be for kids but gay people aren’t sexual just by existing I haven’t seen the scene so I don’t know how much it shows
@@thedifferenceincolour7341 this isn't a show for kids, nor was the game
Not only toxic Nature of the Last of us Community but the whole world. That is one of the things why humanity would die out in case similar events Like a fungus pandemic became reality.
Ep 3 Was a love story, and just because of that I was afraid it would be plain and end without conclusion for main story, but it had the letter, and that was enough for me to glue it together.
Imagine being a fan of the last of us, a show with a lesbian main character and a trans supporting character, but being homophobic….. in 2023
As funny as it is to say it, it's simply cuz of the gay stuff.. I don't see any other reason why ppl would dislike it. Some would say "its filler" but that wouldn't be right as it is a SHOW & more stuff helps flesh out the world & the ep is about one of the game's main themes.
I heard it replaces everything that happens in that section of the game is Bill is dead, that's what people are mad about
@@bishbosh4815 Yeah & I can see why ppl wouldn't like it. I understand it. It doesn't deserve the hate tho as it uses the change to tell a different story for that character.
Actually, Bill and Franks story was like a full movie with 3 acts within a TV episode. The writing on that episode was one of the best I've ever seen. All the little details are just incredible. I love Part 1 and Part 2, they are by far the best games I've ever played and I just LOVE the adapation HBO / Craig / Neil are doing. Many of the iconic moments, but then the newly added stuff feels so "fresh" and makes the whole The Last of Us world even better! I can't wait to see what they do with adapting Part 2, especially some of the HOLY SHIT moments like the island. This is gonna be epic!
While I did not cry when I saw this episode I actually did feel happy for Bill and Frank because they have found something that we all want one way or another and that is love. I also like how they handled Bill’s character in the show while he still sort of is the same isolated loner who has trust issues and is a little paranoid (still putting it lightly) and there is some of that signature humor like when Joel and Ellie find the note. He finally made something of himself that was never in the game and I think it was a good choice that the creators of the show made.
This definitely was the version of bill we had in the game. In game Bill did have a partner he lives with for a while. The point of divergence is probably the argument we saw. Video game Bill separated from Frank while TV show Bill stuck it out. Personally I found TV version to be much more interesting.
It's difficult to sympathize really with people want to try to grapple Last of Us and force it to just be a straight linear zombie apocalypse story about Joel and Ellie killing infected. Pretty much every divergence in the fanbase beyond that comes down to a question of inclusion: are you okay, or not okay, with an incredibly well crafted world and an incredibly well crafted story which also includes, as in reality, characters who are gay, lesbian, trans, whatever. None of it ever felt forced or artificially crammed into the story for me, weak and cheap storytelling is the very last thing I hear pretty much anyone accuse TLOU or Naughtydog of. And this divergence really reflects people's real world values and beliefs. I can't sympathize with people who want to say they're OK with there being gay people, but they just never want to see them. And can't sympathize with people who played the games and know there were gay characters, including the most critical character of both games, but say that that was somehow a problem and they went about their business playing a game where they pretended that wasn't there, so now it's all a big controversy that the show is actually sticking to it and not changing it for a very narrow, prejudiced part of the fanbase.
If there was some equal/opposite and compelling position that the diversity of characters shown in the TLOU world are somehow over the top and not a reflection of real people you find in the real world, and would find in an apocalypse, we could have that discussion. But there isn't. There's wishful thinking from people who do not like any of these people that we could just have videogames and television that completely exclude them from storytelling so that "they don't have to see them/have it forced on them." I think that pretending we have to force a posture that both sides have valid views here and nobody should be called out for being in one or the other is a very false equivalency. This is akin to the discussion that went on in our culture half a CENTURY ago when black characters first began appearing as neighbors, housekeepers, side characters in otherwise all white shows. There's a right side and a wrong side.
@giveaways..45 Oooh yea?
Just finished listening to your first part, and honestly, expanding on certain side characters does work for me. It was done a lot in the Once Upon a Time show on ABC, and in the Ghost of Tsushima game, both of which are stories that I love, so I’m cool with this show going that route.
I hope they expand on Sam and Henry the same way.
The thing that annoys me is that people really thought they would be watching "The last of us" without main queer plotlines?? like are they fr. i could you not the amount of happiness, i felt when Ellie and Riley were bonding at the mall, its still one of my top moments in both games and i was kinda mad (not that i should even care about these cry babies complaining about "why is there "Queer" in the franchise ) that both eps 3 and 7 were review bombed, quite literally the best episodes and them evening saying there was no point of eps7?? like to as viewer who've played the game, i was really looking forward to this scene and they did their best (TY neil). It shows more of Ellies ptsd side kinda (where she has lost many ppl) and pls its quite literally how the game did, it takes place during the winter 😭 like see the source materials, dont be mad at the show! I cant wait for the homophobic fandom to rise once season 2 is out, lord help them 🙏lmao
I don’t think it’s worth discussing episode 3 anymore. Move past it, bc every negative yt videos comment section is overwhelmingly positive, so I think it’s safe to say that the majority of viewers enjoyed the episode on some level.
I went to a haters channel, didn’t watch their full video bc 5 mins into it they’ve made it abundantly clear what their position is. I paused the video and read the comments. To my surprise, it wasn’t a groupthink echo chamber that was echoing the sentiment of the channel, quite the opposite in fact.
I'm conservative and loved the game and i'll say this. The episode was definitely different and I absolutely enjoyed it. Only uncomfy part was the sexual tension but after that passed and I sincerely enjoyed it. I think the game's story wouldn't have worked that well and this just seems to fit really well while advancing the story in the correct direction. Never thought I'd be entertained watching a gay couple and their time in the apocalypse but hell it worked and did a damn good job.
It's funny this video came out today because last night I went to go visit my friends and one of my friends asked me what I thought of them doing something incredibly different from the games so strongly and it didn't bother me I loved this episode and my friends did too they are loving this show and they didn't care that Bill and Frank were lovers in this , also we couldn't help but laugh about the homophobes losing their minds about this and we said if it was two women on screen being lovers no one would complain or at least way less people would complain
good on you for actually taking on the anti-SJW/woke crowd.
Theres little to no pushback when it comes to things like these where the story is slightly modified and something more inclusive is applied, because they represent groups oppressed in everyday life, all over the country, all over the world.
While these are shows based off source material, at the end of the day--the source material is fiction. The fact people would judge a show based on the skin color of characters is essentially cloaked racism.
Looking forward to the episode tonight!
I don't mind changes. I thought was amazing. Thought we would meet Frank and go into game story to make loss hurt more.
... about Bill standing in the middle of the road shooting at the raiders ... I took it as him trying to draw their fire toward himself and AWAY FROM HIS HOUSE... where Frank was. It was another way of trying to protect Frank. If Frank had not been in the house, he would have probably started shooting them from his upstairs bedroom window, but he wanted to keep the raider's fire away from Frank.
I don’t pay attention to those people. I just ignored them. They can cry all they want.
Excellent argument and observations.
What’s your take on episode 5? I personally like the little shift in how the Sam and Henry story ended, because it adds to Ellie’s main goal in part 1.
The fact some people were upset over this is mind boggling to me
It’s fine not to like the changes, but to get all snowflake about dudes kissing, that just hilarious
@@apnerds Homosexuals are gross
I definitely like the tv version better. He was gruff and tough but he still had a beautiful, vulnerable side.
Honestly my favorite characters AND I got to live out my fantasy of what successfully surviving the apocalypse would be like!
everything you said about this I agree since it was really good episode but people in the comments just keep attacking me for it even though they said it was well received I just don't get people like that.
I was a bit bummed we didn't see some of the action of traversing through an overrun version of Lincoln with a grumpy Bill, and didn't get the car scene with Ellie/Joel/Bill, but I did really enjoy the episode. I loved the time Joel and Ellie got in the beginning and end, and the end felt like a satisfying start to their journey. And I especially loved that we got to actually see Bill and Frank's relationship and backstory bc Joel's sexuality wasn't fleshed out much in the game thanks to the controversy (He only referred to frank as his 'partner' and had multiple gay porn magazines so like)
Personally I think the show's main and really only issue is the time constraints, being HBO does such short seasons. I think the show should've had like- 12 episodes maybe? Instead of 9. Episodes 1 and 2 felt good on time but I think episode 3 could have been a 3 and 4. Show us maybe Bill tries to die with Frank but say, something messes up and he cant, and he cant bring himself to do it afterwards and remains miserable. Skip like 2 years later, hes stopped really keeping care of Lincoln and it looks like it did before Frank showed up. He finds Joel and Ellie in a section of the town thats cut off from the rest, and sort of overrun. He helps them get through the town and we have alot more scenes from the game. Like Joel getting in Bill's trap, the group moving through the highschool, and then through the neighborhood. Then we finally get to Lincoln and he gets Joel and Ellie on their way, maybe something happens and Bill dies trying to get them out of there, or after his encounter with Ellie and Joel he finally brings himself to join Frank. We could still get Ellie and Bill's interactions but maybe they also get an emotional moment where he opens up about Frank and just balls, and Ellie could comfort him. Joel would have been wondering throughout the episode what had happened to him.
Firstly, I appreciate the open dialogue and discussing difficult subjects within the community. I believe this is the message Neil and his team at Naughty Dog were trying to convey, especially with Part II. Having said that, I'm having difficulty separating the game's story from what they're doing on HBO. Many of the diversions from the show just don't hit the same emotional story beats that I got from the game, which I think just does it better. The love story between Bill and Frank, while not my cup of tea, is something I think works as a standalone episode. But what I find frustrating is it makes Bill's role in the story less vital to Joel and Ellie's mission.
I understand your point mate..it is true that bill's impact on joel and ellie's adventure is lessened because of the episode but i thought the letter at the end really brought everything together..
Enjoy tonight's episode!
You too bro. Hopefully episode 4 can just brush the negative shit that came back to the tlou community 🙏🏼
Wish I could watch it tonight but unfortunately I am in the UK…
@@Mewster2331 Has the episode released yet cuz its getting review bombed again
@@Warona.Gaanakgomo maybe in US
@@Warona.Gaanakgomo it’s people rating it before it even comes out lol
If you try and pretend that the episode is problematic for fans by implying the gay couple is a problem no one buys that it isn't homophobia, sorry.
Amazing video man preach 🔥💯
I appreciate it bro :)
For me, it has to do with pacing. For a TV audience that is being drip fed episodes every week there has to be some element of hope or the show is going to fall too far into nihilism to recover. There has to be some sign that life is still worth living, or else people are going to stop caring. The direct connection between player and character is not there in a TV show; writers have a different task. Honestly, I think that has more to do with why HBO did this than any other reason.
That isn't to say that people upset about it being changed are wrong, I'm just tossing out my theory for why it happened and whether or not I think it worked.
It was beautifully done. Even if you don't like the change, if you can view it just as an alternate universe or an independent side story, it's a fantastic piece of media. The actors rocked it, and I think that it will tie neatly into the theme of the show, albeit in a different way than Bill did in the game. But I just think that after the deaths of Sarah and Tess, and without Tommy back in the narrative yet, with the upcoming death of Henry and Sam, HBO had to throw the audience a bone and BIll and Frank were it.
I love both versions of Bill.
same!
If I had known what I was in for, I would have appreciated this episode even more.
I went in expecting all the scenes of Bill just like in the game or atleast a different execution of it. Episode 3 was amazing but it just wasn’t something I was looking for.
A heads up would have definitely made me more open minded to this deviation.
I hate how people are saying they’re going “woke” by diverging from the story. There should be nothing woke about having gay people, as they existed.
Plus, we know Bill was gay. There were gay magazines that Ellie found in his bunker.
As someone who’s always loved the game and even was a bit disappointed that Bill took his life, I think it makes sense. I feel as this would have been the same route that Bill would have took had him and frank worked it out in the game. He obviously cared a lot and loved that man. That’s what turned him cold in the first place.
Just like with the earlier episodes, I feel like some changes were made just because a lot of it relied on gameplay and survival that probably wouldn’t work the same on screen / in real life. Like that truck scene in the game? What are the odds that someone survives something like that?
I cried like a baby in the end, it was gut wrenching. And because Bill is only in like 5% of the game, it doesn’t effect the story as a whole. It was nice to see a break from the whole intense scenes to see that there were two people who could still live a whole life together and die happily in each other’s arms, neither taken over by the infected. I’m excited for episode 4!
9:16 Wrong episode. It’s said episode 3, not episode 2.
Bravo for bravely addressing the ‘elephant in the room’. Other reviewers have avoided addressing it directly. 👍👏👏👏
To be frank, most if not all 1 star reviews are purposefully hateful. Few things are worth that rating, and those that give it can’t give real criticisms.
Tell me right now would the same story have been told if bill was straight no it wouldn’t also the director said he tricked people into watching it
I don’t mind reputation in media like Doom Patrol and The Last of Us Show. But when it’s obvious when they are punching in the check box, that’s when I’ll go bananas
I don't hate episode 3. It's not that bad. Not everyone is same to like same thing. Just sometimes people being too much of an a*s and goes too far to criticize.
I loved the game and also loved this episode. But yeah for people who want it to be the same as the game then I can why they don't like it.
For me it was a great episode and an awesome example of adaptation, we already knew Bill and Frank were gay from the game, but the show gave them so much depth, i believe people are mad because they think this is pushing an agenda which is not, they are just expanding on things that weren´t fully covered in the game
What do you have to say about the director admitting that they intentionally tricked their audience into watching this episode with a gay agenda?
To give context, he meant it as that the story wasn’t gonna be obvious that frank and bill were gay from the beginning. It was just gonna happen like if any straight couple were to fall in love just in this case with 2 men. The goal was just to show that love is normal in straight and gay relationships.
@@apnerds - are you sure he didn’t mean it as a Trojan horse?
I think every 1 vote Is disgusting even with legit criticism. People may not like the story and that's fair but giving it a 1? The quality of writing, acting, set designs all was superb. So if someone had a legit criticism and gave it a 1 then I question their honesty. They are hiding the real reason they hated it.
yea...no doubt a lot of them have those hidden intentions
@@apnerds “a lot of them” ..lol let’s be real. All of them. 1 star for an episode of that quality is smooth brain behavior.
Hollywood has s monopoly on expression and down voting is the only real feedback the consumer can give.
The irony of missing that some people feel marginalized while you carry the banner of Inclusivity is pretty funny.
On the surface the episode _looks_ woke, despite being very well written and a useful side story for the series' themes.
...Given the current political climate, consider the perception of those you think are just whining. That's exactly the dismissal and dehumanization that used to be applied to the vulnerable groups that are being exalted presently. And politics is about getting people to other each other.
@@briansinger5258 It's those who are whining that are making it political. Nothing about this episode was woke, Nothing! How about you get passed your own bigotry and put on your big-boy pants. Start realizing gay people existing is not woke. I know gay people, black people, and strong women, so they do exist. Those little snowflakes you mentioned claiming they are Marginalized is BS. You all are pushing a White Christian agenda and everything that has something to do with other than a straight white Christian male or an obedient woman you guys call woke. GROW THE FUCK UP.
Here’s my issue. In a vacuum, Bill and Frank’s story is perfectly fine. Within the context of the story of the show, though (notice I’m not coming at this for how inaccurate it is to the game), it makes absolutely no sense being here. Their story has literally no effect on the plot of the show. You could cut it and lose absolutely nothing if you ask me, especially considering the fact that Bill and Frank are already dead by the time Joel and Ellie get to their town. We spent an hour dilly-dallying away from the actual plot and it absolutely killed the pacing for me. I was just waiting for that segment to be over.
This episode was a solid 3.5/10 for me, where the first two were around 8/10s.
I’m glad people did enjoy it, I really am, but I wasn’t a fan at all.
Let me start by saying i have not played the games and my criticism is not for the content its self. i finished the episode deeply confused to what narrative purpose it served.
As a standalone narrative the acting is great and the concept is compelling, but it felt like a sudden and jarring loss of narrative traction on what is supposedly a serialized premium show.
Upon reading the wiki to work out how this could possibly been a level in a game i have come to the realization that the episode seems to represent the show runners trying to counteract or directly comment on the existing narrative of the game. Thats their right, but as a tv viewer Bills arc exists in a vacuum, has essentially no impact on anything, and is mismatched with the overall tone of the world.
tldr; this episode does not serve the meta-narative and i feel penalized for not owning a playstation and playing the game.
The third episode disgust me man..I was watching with my little bro and we saw two guys smooching..I mean wth bro every fking western shows I watch..they are influencing these types of behaviour..it's disgusting man..but so far apart from this bill story I liked it..
This is my opinion
I bet the ones that love all TLOU it saved there lives and had a big impact on there lives even mine like I’m bi also I’m dealing with my gender I know for sure but scared of my family
“Forcing gayness on all of us!” 😂😂😂
While it may not be my cup of tea watching 2 care bears in episode 3, I was still blown away with the high level of acting and well written story. An absolute master piece. I love the game, but I also stand and applaud every person responsible for this episode and taking a risk that others are too chicken sh&t to do. The outcome was successfully executed.
This is the queer media that needs protecting. The phones are a loud minority and don’t speak for the majority of fans.
I don’t care about that aspect. I’m just annoyed by the terrible and awful dragging and filler episode 🤦♂️
Make sure you watch the video bc it’s not just about that which I talk about
The woke vs anti woke is very stupid conflict in today’s entertainment lol 😅 I liked bill backstory and overall theme of the episode. but it was unnecessarily long. I gave it 6 out of 10, theme of episode was great but poorly dragged unnecessarily But I do agree review bombing episode 3 is absolutely absurd af 😅
It took for the 3rd episode for the show to get wide media coverage, like Kimmel, Colbert, snl, Fallon. Some outlets dont even care about the game or the overall story, they just care that it had a gay story.
To be fair, the episode was really well made, and it was review bombed negatively partially because it had a gay story. But let's not act like people arent blindly giving it 10s for the same reason. There's review "bombing" on both sides.
Imo I thought the episode was great on it's own, but I felt like it did nothing to progress the main plot or add to the lore of the important elements of the game. As far as the gay love story, I dont mind it at all, I just feel like the point and emotion can be made just as great without a scene like the one with them doing it.
I agree and feel this is the way most people feel about the episode in general.
If your religion is preventing you from enjoying The Last of Us, i'm really sorry that you're missing out on this masterpiece.
Nah they ain’t missing shit
Hope u realize people don’t like the series because it’s literally so far from the game that made this relevant. They’re straying further and further from the story that it gets annoying. They could’ve made this series based off the Main series and it would’ve been golden
These aren't the reasons I dislike the approach they took; Here's why I do:
The only reason (most) people fell in love with the game is the bond between Joel and Ellie because, it being a video game, their's was the only perspective we could follow. Taking that away and telling stories of all these side characters takes not only the focus away, but the time needed to see them bond with one another. Unfortunately, I think this issue already presented itself in episode 3 - Ellie asking Joel weather she's 'family' felt out of nowhere to me, because the whole last episode they barely had screentime together and the episode before Tess just died. See where I'm getting at?
How did it effect the story at all? If the last of us were just a gay love story in a Boston suburb, it was just a gay TV show. It had no zombies in a zombie apocalypse. No outside threats at all.
It was a freaking soap opera!
It didn’t “deviate a little bit from the game”. It literally had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was forced virtue signaling for a trophy.
I loved both games and their storytelling and the show is very good. But episode 3 just really isn’t for me. No shade toward any who enjoyed it though.
The gay stuff with bill doesn't bother me i just wanted to see the back-and-forth between Bill and ellie
Yea I missed the Ellie and Bill banter
In my humble opinion I loved episode 3 I thought it was a nice expansion on the characters from the game itself. Now my only issue is they got the actors to come out and make a breakdown about the episode. Personally they did not need to do that. just treated like an ordinary thing which it is. As soon as you start blowing it up and let's face it it's just a Studios trying to get a pat on the back. The episode didn't need to be explained by the actors it was perfectly done in the episode because they were good actors and personally trying to highlight it just brings unnecessary eyes on it. If something is normal it does not need to be explained so let's it be normal
Great episode nuff said
I agree :)
the thing I don't like about this episode is 1) I miss the Joel and Ellie-parts!! It's a whole different story, one that doesn't matter (that much) to Joel and Ellie's story. I don't necessarily care that they changed a lot from the game, I care because we see Joel and Ellie for like ten minutes and 2) people are obsessed with it and will probably not be as obsessed with a couple that'll matter more in the end (read: Ellie and Dina)
I think the episode is amazing. I think it's beautiful and it's super cool to see two gay people grow old and happy together!!! But I think it would've been better as a standalone episode or movie.
also, to explain why Bill stands in the middle of the road: he doesn't get shot until he shouts. no one saw him (and Bill probably knows no one would see him), he only got shot because he was being loud.
That’s how it should be
Why?
It's not
Personally for me, I have nothing against gay people so my comments are not because of the episode. However my thoughts why I'm not happy with this adaptation is they miss so much out. Episode 3, and already we are in Pittsburgh and going passed it. Virtually all of episode 3 shown here is not even in the game. It is interesting to see some back story. But I feel the episodes are moving too fast in comparison to the game. The game has the script all laid out, and many of us have played part 1 and 2 a couple of times because its so good. What might be interesting is to run a poll. Who has played the game and if they liked the episode. I have played both games, so far I'm disappointed how it's going but will try a couple more episodes before iIgive up on it. So far, not a fan of the series.
It was controversial?
I genuinely don’t think it’s fair to label every single person who doesn’t like episode 3 homophobic. Yes, people like that exist but they’re not gonna watch anyway. There are however people who are upset because they skip so much events from Bills town segment in the game and it diverges a lot. This episode ain’t a masterpiece but it ain’t the worst thing ever, but that’s just my opinion. Yeah you can say that this episode just expands on the games theme of hope and there’s still something to live and fight for but I just wish Bill and Franks story connected more to the main narrative. I usually separate myself from anything Last of Us cause of how basically every side of the community is gonna hate on you for existing
yea that is understandable. It wasn't really gonna be an episode for everyone...but I guess we move on to episode 4
@@apnerds For what the episode was it was pretty emotional and I think it would work better as a stand alone episode. I’m looking forward to episode 4 though
Honestly, I don't think a 'game'-based episode would've worked as good in the series. Most of the time during this in-game episode you are roaming around the trip-wired city looking at infected being blown up. And the gameplay became even boring at some point. Yes, I said that. Fight me.
So there was a need in character development anyways.
The love story? Well, yeah, I skipped a couple of scenes because they didn't work for me personally (it took me a while to figure this formulation out). And yet, the episode itself did work for me. And the 'happy end' of Frank and Bill gave me some "On the Beach" vibes (F to emotional stability of anyone who survived this film).
Not the best love story out there, not the most tragic love story out there. Yet, the episode has done things properly. So why not.
*may the shit storm begin*
I thought the episode was boring honestly.
how am i here just minute after upload"??!! but yes i agree with the opening, i like both of the games, i might not liked that they killed my boy Bill, mainly cos i will never see "JOEL needs a CAR" conversation and Bill's character to the fullest, the lone wolf pissy dude :D
ab 3rd episode, i just hope that they didnt choose to put detailed relationship between the 2 just to fill in pockets, because alot of movies, games, shows push lgbtq in their stories just for views and it hurts me... if you dont have some diversity/gay etc in your story, media gets mad, when you do it, media gets mad... its a weird world we live in rn!
This world is just crazy. We can never have peace
The Last of Us community really can't catch a break can they? All it takes is one moment or thing to reignite old wounds and ptsd to start another battle or war.
Men making out with men, women making out with women, is every LGBTQ's God given right.
I dont know the last of us, never played the game just watched ep 1 going onto 2 tonight everyone should be happy the show is watchable, here I'll explain, im a halo fan haven't watched 1 episode of that hot mess cause it's all just a load of crap, Sony fans at least have a good show episode 1 was insane I enjoyed it wish halo was like that to me...will never watch that basterdize mess
It's not a legitimate criticism. I do not recall before the series came out or was announce that they said they would copy the game, word for word , scene for scene and character for character. In fact they came out and said play did not want to copy it add to it takes certain visual scenes from the game and put it into the series like Easter eggs all the people who played the game. I am gobsmacked when has a game which has been turned into a movie being exactly the same as the game it comes from. Assassin's Creed Mortal Kombat Mario you people are Lunatics
I enjoyed episode 3 very much
Wow listening to you cry on the internet about other people crying on the internet made me really proud of how free my mind is
If crying means stating pure facts…then so be it
6:50 AGREED LMAO
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it was a great story with great cinematic and great directing, but in the terms of tlou, it was not good.
Btw, great video.
Come on man, I more worried that Neil won't make TLOU 3
Why would he? After all the hate and attack?
@@amimim69 but also think how much copies TLOU2 has sold.
@@bioshootoverload9135 that's a good point..let's hope for the best
I think it’s more to do with him not knowing if he has a story at tell for a part 3.
I’m sure he’ll come up with something in time
I’m sadly not surprised at all by those anti-woke reactions. Less than a week ago, I saw someone crying about the Dead Space remake being “woke”, and even before that, I saw TheQuartering hate on a high-school teacher for supporting students who consider coming out (unsurprisingly, TheQuartering got a lot of backlash for that)
Hi there. I'm a massive fan of this franchise. First of all I work in the most ethnically inclusive and diverse environment in the UK the NHS. So I have no problem with people of colour or their sexual orientation. Yes this episode was very well done, yes I was uncomfortable with the homosexual content. But that's because in the UK that kind of stuff is only really shown in programmes that are squarely aimed at the LGBTQ community, so it's fairly easy to avoid, if someone doesn't want to see it. I have no problem with Bill's sexuality either, as I was expecting it to get at least one mention during the episode. No my problem is that Bill's town is one of the highlights of the game and that episode 3 basically tore it up to focus on one minor character (Bill) and a corpe (Frank). I feel they could have covered their story in around 15 minutes, then have Joel and Ellie turn up. They could then have easily had Bill & Frank help the pair with maybe Frank eventually getting bitten and the pair taking their own lives after Joel & Ellie leave. This would have covered their storyline and finished the episode as it did.
That could have been a nice way to go
The ONLY thing fans of the game could possibly miss out on is the banter between Ellie and Bill. EVERYTHING ELSE that happened in-game, involving Bill, can still be done in some form (and based on Episode 4, that seems very likely). And based on the negative comments I've seen, the vast majority of them are from obvious homophobes, which honestly fuck those bigots (just wait till they find out more about Ellie 🤣). Episode 3 is well deserving of the praise it's receiving.
Are you okay? Are you alive?
I’m loving the show rewatched the first 3 episodes and I love them the episode 3 grew on me in second viewing! I can’t wait for episode 4 (side note my mum who has never played the game but i told her to watch them and I watch the episodes with her and she loves the show! She’s excited for the rest episodes just like me it’s great to watch a video game into a TV show adaptation and watch with someone who hasn’t played the game and get her opinions and her reactions it’s wonderful experience! Honestly we are both loving the show!
Geeks and Gamers are perfect example of sad losers haters who just want the clicks and views and see the reason for unnecessary hate..
Great video man! I been a big fan since your review of the last of us part II flawed masterpiece video!
its awesome that even non-gamers can sit and watch a good adaptation of one of the best story based games. Glad your mom loves it and also thanks for the support throughout all these years :)
this episode is just sad bro
Why is it so controversial? It’s simple: gay
Even though Bill was gay in the game, also I get that people would be mad that they strayed away from the game and I’m also a little disappointed but it is what it is
The Last of Us franchise is the greatest
I havent watched the episode yet, but I get the sense they're changing a lot, and fans who want the show to be a more faithful adaptation of the game are frustrated. I think what they did in this episode is absolutely beautiful and well worth watching (from what I've heard), but they also cut out an entire section of the game in favour of it, which would've been awesome to see on screen. It really calls into question what an adaptation is supposed to be and what makes a good one. Is it supposed to use the source material is inspiration to do their own thing and tell new stories or dive deeper into existing characters and storylines, or is it supposed to be a carbon copy from book/game to screen? People were already pissed at some of the casting decisions, and I saw that clip of a clicker kissing Tess and I have to wonder WTF they were thinking?! On the one hand creativity is a good thing and it would be too predictable to keep the show exactly the same as the game, but at the same time there are iconic moments and relationships that fans of the game want to see in this TV series that they have skipped over or replaced with something else, and sometimes that works and is actually an improvement and sometimes it doesn't and leaves fans confused and unsatisfied. You see this all the time in TV and movie adaptations of beloved books and games etc. I think adaptations are best when they take what worked in the original and dive deeper into it, but when they completely replace it with something else and the story and relationships between the characters is different because of it, then it will get rightly criticised
It is very faithful despite what people are saying. Joel learned a lesson from Bill and got his truck from Bill. Sure Bill and Frank's story is different but that changes nothing about the whole story.
@@wizarddragon I'll come back when I've seen it 😂
@@bishbosh4815 you do that. lol
@@wizarddragon I'm getting there!
@@wizarddragon Agreed - Bill and Frank's story was different (more expanded upon), but the overall story is the still the same.
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And I'm sure you're gonna get a lotta woke internet trolls screaming that anyone who doesn't like the episode is homophobic, but it isn't because of that, everyone knows Bill is gay and further exploring his relationship with Frank and telling a genuinely touching, realistic and nuanced gay love story is remarkable. BUT it comes at the expense of some of the best moments of the game! If that had just told that story in flashbacks while still adapting the Bill's Town section of the game and having Bill, Joel and Ellie interact while still getting that Bill and Frank content, then nowhere near as many people would be complaining about it. And I wonder how many people who are praising it haven't even played the game so they can't compare the two
Let them trolls lose their minds. They’ll just give me clicks and views lol
It’s not controversial.
People just need to grow the hell up come on it’s only dudes kissing this is why the world is as controversial and as messed up as it is like the constant negativity over that is just unnecessary
i blame the boomers and religious fanatics that can't live a day without making others lives miserable
Yea I also love the points that’s u make over this bc ur totally right I’ve also been a huge last of us fan since I was like 15 and from the game being as phenomenal as it is to being review bombed and people saying “oh this is shit the gayness needs to stop” thier just wrong people are just too stupid to realise they just think it’s forced upon but it’s not its called character development that’s what people don’t realise when watching this
I also love your content as a big story based game fanatic myself so keep up the good work 👍
I'm not gona take that "I don't mean to offend anyone" route because quite frankly I'm tired of sugar coating it. People complain because no one wants to see a story about 2 gay couple. No one is "scared" that 2 gay men are kissing or getting intimate on screen. They are grossed out & discusted by it.
And yet millions of people enjoyed that episode...
@@amimim69 vs the majority that didn't.
Majority don't watch shows.
@@amimim69 Majority don't watch gay content in general.
@@MarkMark-un5vy still more than 15 million people watched this episode.. People watched will and grace and queer as folk..
Also people watched sex education a big part of that show is gay couple....people watch good content it can have gay characters or not..doesn't matter...homophobics bigots don't need to watch these shows..and still those shows will be a hit and popular...becuase content is king and bigots can cry
Thanks, a very good take on the entire drama! Personally I have nothing against LGBTQIA+ content in culture, a lot of my friends are gay and trans, really it does not bother me at all. I just found that episode boring - a kind of banal, cliché love story not in tune with the entire Last of Us universum. If it were straight, I'd find it equally not appealing. However I understand it is important for LGBTQIA+ community to see characters like themselves playing a major role on screen as historically they have been super repressed. Fair enough. It's only a pity the creators have not managed to correct the representation bias in a way that would not be so lame on the level of narration and story design.
I like your video a lot. Personally I didn’t enjoy episode 3, but not necessarily because it was different from the source material. I think it’s ok to change things in a story to adapt for the new medium, as long as it improves the story. I like the change they made with Sam, since it makes him more reliant on Henry. Changing the story to adapt to a new medium or improve the story is completely fine. It is a video game ADAPTATION. My problem lies more with this being a waste of time. By the time Joel and Ellie get to the town, Frank and Bill are both dead. So what was the point of telling us their lives, when they have no bearing on the main plot? If Frank or Bill were still alive, and had a role similar to in the game, I could understand a flashback a little more, since they would actually interact with Joel and Ellie in the confines of the main story. This story could’ve been told with a few lines of dialogue. Ellie asking why Joel would know this place or its people, and Joel explaining that they used to trade together in the past. Now usually I don’t mind expanding on things. Even if it is undeniably pointless. But this season is only getting a handful of episodes. That time could have been spent fleshing other things out, rather than focusing on side characters that aren’t even present during the main story. At that point, you might as well make an episode about that soldier that Joel sold those pills to in EP1. I saw some similar issues in episode 5, and it’s starting to get a bit annoying. I’m still interested in the series, but being called a homophobe by people involved in the series for not liking ONE of the episodes is not at all appreciated. So I’m glad you touched on that.
It's only controversial because people are snowflakes. They are either too obsessed with the game or they are grossed out by 2 dudes kissing (or both).
Last of us fans are just the worst