Thank you for such a great review!!! These are EXACTLY the things riders need to know when considering a bike! No bike is perfect, so knowing the strengths and weaknesses really helps one consider the experience in which they might invest money, time, and energy. Wow! Happy safe riding to you!
Thanks so much for the comment - great to know that my review - as amateur as it was :-) is helpful. I've been quite humbled and surprised by so much positive feedback - thanks so much!
This review was more of a review on this bike than 10 others combined. Love how he states everything good and bad about the bike and let's you decide what is a deal breaker or not for yourself. He said it was a long video but didn't even notice. This guy need to demo more bikes and review them. Great job man really great job.
@@amateurhour3966id say this review is a great resume😊. As long as any manufacturers of other motorcycles dont mind hearing the downsides which as far as development is an upside. Critical thinking, upsides and downsides 😊
Defo one of the best reviews by normal biker out there. Just ordered my new Ninja 1000sx this weekend. This review was a big help in me checking my priorities against the list for potential improvements, whilst appreciating the great things about this bike. Critical, fair and in depth from a real rider perspective. Wicked review fella - cheers!
Nice to hear feedback from an owner after a good few miles of riding. I particularly value your comments about the comfort and riding position as I am 6'2" and all other road tests I have seen were by riders significantly shorter than myself.
I'm considering this bike for a while now. And your review was simply awesome. Thank you so much for all the effort you clearly have put in it. Well done!
Cheers. Appreciate the feedback. I'm told I think about things too much some times. Probably not good for most things in life - but probably an asset when it comes to reviewing things. :-)
Hi Michael. Thanks so much for the very generous compliment. FWIW - I wouldn't be against Kawasaki (or any other bike manufacturer for that instance) - flying me over to their press reviews and letting me go on tour with them for a few days and giving some feedback. (Although maybe I'm too critical for any to want that). :-)
I've done over 100k on my 2013 model and love this bike. I can confirm I did change the rear tyre size to prevent drop in when low speed cornering but the changes you describe with this model only makes me sure to stick with the Ninja in the future. Heated grips and a more padded seat and it is a no brainer. This engine is the bomb for me. Straight line power delivery means no worries even when the front starts to rise. Not one for the track due to weight but pure fun with double f on the road and from a standing start the weekend warriors on their Gixers get a massive 'sit the f down'. Love it.
Awesome video! So hard to find an actual 1000SX owner's personal review. Helped me decide about moving up to this bike. Currently riding my Yamaha FJ-09...love my bike but am ready for moving up to the 1000SX.
Thanks Stonehands for the feedback. So glad that my review has been helpful. I'm disappointed I couldn't do a better review (get that 5,000kms under my belt touring around for a week and a bit in the twisties) - but hopefully the day will come. Good luck with your future riding, and stay safe!
@@amateurhour3966 Hey don't worry about not being a better review. It was good. How about another review in about 8-10 months, enough to cover any maintenance issues, seat comfort and any mods you did or plan on doing. Like I said before, rather watch your "user" review than a guy that borrowed the bike, did a quick review and returned it back to the dealership. Keep riding safe!
Hi. This and your first review in my opinion are the best I have seen about the Ninja SX. Very detailed an honest. Helped me a lot to go for my green MY 2020. Have it since 2 weeks now and I'm really impressed about that bike. Wonders me kind of because I had a 2016 Aprilia Tuono before which is a very emotional bike. But driving at normal speeds or in the town is not really fun with the Tuono here in Switzerland, at 80 kph on normal roads outside villages. 4th to 6th gear are useless... :-). So the Ninja feels also very sporty, stabel, soft, creamy and easy to drive. I have installed the higher airscreen, what helps a lot (I'm 1.80m). Also riding with my wife is a pleasure, you nearly do not notice the extra weight and the seating position is comfy and she is not pushing from behind while breaking. With the bags installed it is a little complicated for her to place her foots on the pegs for climbing up the rear seat. Hopefully we will work this out and find a proper technique.... Would be nice to see more reviews from you. You should work at a motorcycle channel or newspaper. This is professional- and no way amateur stuff. Ride safe and greetings from Switzerland, where tomorow finally the weather will change for the better... Greetings Michael
Hi Michael. Thanks very much for your kind words, and I'm so glad that it was helpful to you. My wife loves being on the back too (much more than the VFR!) :-). I would love to put some more video's up, but unfortunately at the moment life has become crazy on multiple fronts and is taking away from any free time I've had for a while to do so, but if things change I hope to be able to do some more reviews. They're definitely amateur (as in production as well as not being paid ;-) ) - but what I lack in polishing I try and make up for in content. Switzerland ey? Oh man - have you got some wonderful riding ahead of you! Jealous!!! :-)
Thanks for putting in the time to make a really informative review. This is the best review i have seen, showing the good & the bad points of the bike, with a lot of useful info along the way. I am waiting for my 2021 model to arrive & have my Hopnel inner bags waiting in the garage already thanks to you.
Hi Steve. Sweet! Glad that you found the review helpful. Wish I had have known about the Hopnel's myself before I committed to the Kawasaki, but I guess I've saved myself in other areas due to others that have gone before me and learned the hard way too - so it's a bit of take and share. Hope you get many enjoyable miles next year!
Finally, a ridgey-didge review of this bike. I've been scouring the interweb for ages looking for a decent review - with none of the OTT blokey BS or crappy death-metal soundtrack. Even at 27mins duration, I enjoyed your review very much. Thank you! Awesome bike - I'll have one in pride-of-place in my garage in the not-to-distant future! -Will, Canberra
Hi Will. Thanks very much for your feedback! Canberra ey? You've got some nice roads nearby - and you aren't too far away from some of Australia's greats. I think you'd love this bike up there in the high country. I got a days riding up there on this before they closed the borders and locked everything down. (Was supposed to have a whole week). Wishing you good luck with your future purchase and riding!
This is one of the best reviews of a motorcycle that I have seen on UA-cam. You have covered all the little details which a prospective buyer really wants to know. Great work mate, keep it up! One thing you missed is the fuel economy though.
Hi Uday. Thanks very much for the encouraging reply. I thought I did touch on fuel economy in my previous review - but to give you an idea - it looks like I can get close to 400kms out of a tank. Much better than I expected. I hope this is of help, and thanks for he constructive criticism - it's welcome and greatly appreciated.
Thanks for an excellent in depth review. The best Ive found on YT. I hope Kawasaki act on your final points - esp re centre stand, heated grips and panniers. The 1000SX is sill on my next possible bike list along with late model FJR. But gave me lots to consider. Thanks for taking the time to put the vid together.
Thanks very much for your encouraging words. After 3 years I have a few extra thoughts where I probably should do a follow up video. I just need to find the time. LOL. I don't have hope's for a centre stand unfortunately, but even with the other stuff, if Kawasaki don't make the change, at least people know what to expect of what they have, and can make up their minds if they buy genuine, or after market versions. Safe riding!
Hands down the absolute best review of this bike I've seen bar none. I'm sniffing around for one of these and the other reviews don't get anywhere near the detailed information you provided. An excellent jobby mate!
Thanks for the encouragement Phillip - I appreciate the feedback. Now, if only I had some more personality / expressions to put with the information. ;-)
I am looking at this Bike so cheers for the great review . Love the roads around Mitta / Omeo and can't wait to be allowed back in the area . Take care
Hi David. You're welcome - and yes - was really cut that my once every 2 year trip up there was cut short and we only got a day instead of a week in that area because of COVID. Hopefully opportunities will present themselves again!
Thanks for your honest review on this particular model! You shared lots of useful information about this bike and any person (like me) who is considering to buy this bike should take note of it before actually put down the deposit to a dealer without regret after that point of time.
Hi Autobot. Thanks for the feedback. Indeed - it's nice to know exactly what you're getting in for before making a decision. Don't let my critical review turn you off though (unless one of those things is a deal breaker). If I was to buy any other bike, I'd be just as critical on it with reviews - not to put it down, but I always believe there is room for improvement - whether it's large or very small is all that changes. (Of course, other things will be personal preference, or changes due to height or weight). Good luck with your search for your next bike!
I just bought this bike. Thanks for the review. I get the bike in a week. I have had 2 Honda CBRs and a Suzuki, Katana, I think this is the perfect bike. I’ve been looking for something sporty, and comfortable. This bike has it all.
AH - thank you for the informative review. I am considering consolidating 3 bikes for this one, so absorbing as much info as possible before taking one on a test ride. Many thanks again for sharing! EW from the States! :)
Thanks Adrian. :-) Re the lines - yeah - I'm very much a in wide, out tight kinda guy - it's saved me from a few frights with people being well over my side of the line so far, and I don't expect drivers to improve on the roads anytime soon. ;-)
A wonderful review and so nice to see the "local" country, I am looking to buy a older bike and considering both the Ninja 1000 (earlier version) and a VFR800. You seem to be the perfect person to give a comparison, do you miss the VFR? ... bugger should have listenned to the very end :)
G'day. I still have the VFR but will be selling it shortly. Pointless having 2 bikes. There are a few things I still miss with the VFR. The more sporty seating position, the way it 'feels' in the corners and the centre stand (bigtime!). But I've had my time on the VFR. I'm only getting older - and with some back issues having a less sporty position makes more sense now. I exchange a sportier seating position for a sportier engine - and there is a lot of power difference. :-) If going the earlier version of the 1000, be sure to check out the 'rear tire mod' by changing from a /50 to a /55. (Do a search on the net - there's plenty of talk abou tit).
Very informative review. This bike is on my short list so I took special interest in your review. In your next review could you comment on a night ride, preferably one with a few tight corners so you can assess how well the headlights light up the road on the inside of the corner. Thanks again for doing the review.
Hi Alan. Thanks for the feedback. I've been meaning to go out on a night ride with my daughter, but as far as tight corners are concerned, it would be more around town at low speeds than in Twisties - but I'll definitely do my best to provide some feedback. (Hopefully the go-pro will pick up well in the low light).
Thoroughly enjoying these reviews, so I visited your channel to see the latest update, only to find the last one was the night riding from three months ago. I hope all is well with you and look forward to your longer term update. All the best..Michael
Hi Michael, Thanks very much for your post and for checking in. I do apologise - I was hoping to have an updated review at the moment, but life has been challenging (as I'm sure it is with many) at the moment. I will try and get around to another one when some time opens up for me though! Stay safe - take care!
Thanks for the very comprehensive review that covered many topics other reviewers miss. Very helpful. Thank you also for addressing my concerns about possible heat issue when stationary. I hope you continue to enjoy your new bike and I look forward to future updates. Stay safe.
Hi Sam. You're more than welcome - and glad that I was able to include your concerns with the heat issues. Just wish that I had a proper hot day to give a full review on. Have a great weekend!
Well sir, thanks in no small part to your candid reviews of this bike, I have had enough of the cheap and cheerful Tracer 900GT and pick up a new Ninja 1000SX in black on Saturday. As I stated in a previous comment, your review content puts most others to shame. Not mentioning any names, but so many just regurgitate the brochure or the press release blurb or state how great bikes are nowadays or worse, perpetuate false headlines like 'Yamahas wonderful build quality' or 'exciting Hondas' (that's a joke to wind up the Honda boys and girls). I rarely learn anything about useful or unpublished about the bike. Despite your misgivings of the touring pack, with the deal I got, it is worth the hassles you mention just to get matching panniers and neat looking heated grips (really dislike the Oxford gubbins you have to have on the bars). I did deliberate long and hard because of your comments, as it is another £800, but I think the advantages outweigh the negatives. I too will miss the centre stand, mostly because I need to turn the bike around in the garage and currently use the centre stand on a dolly and the Rideology app will frustrate me no end for sure. Unlike you, I am a Kawasaki fanboy (yes, I've owned 2 whole bikes some 20+ years ago) and I think that the 1000SX is one of the best looking bikes ever, seriously I really do, of all genres. But coming back to biking last year after a 20 year absence, I just didn't like the ride of the last model (hence the Tracer). But this new one with those geometry, suspension tweaks and latest toys, results in one of the nicest bikes I've ever ridden. You called it refined, yes, I think that is a perfect description, but I also think it is gorgeous, what a combination ....... I'm getting butterflies just thinking about collecting it Saturday. I look forward to chatting about this most wonderful bike over the coming months, and thanks again for a few awesome videos. (Wish I could find twisties like that in the UK).
Hi Bob. Congratulations on your new Ninja purchase! Black? I didn't realise that they came in black (unless you mean the black & gray with the green stripe like mine)? I really hope you like the bike and find that my review stacks up with your own experiences! Enjoy and stay sunny side up! :-)
Great video! Informative and entertaining and didn't seem long at all. Amazing road you were on to and getting to hear the sound of the Porsches' in front of you was COOL. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks man. Considering this bike and it's pushing into the lead now. This is the only review that hasn't been "Best. Tourer. Ever." Still going to get one but good to know the foibles first.
Glad my review was of help. I haven't been on enough bikes to consider whether it's "the best tourer ever", nor would I want to state that it would be (even if it was for me) as I know each individual needs of each person are different. Good luck with your search.
Hi Bikesandbytes. Thanks for coming back and watching another one of my video's. I wish you all the best with your finance - now is a difficult time with all the shut downs and all. Stay safe!
Oh - sweet. I still have some issues (very occasionally) with the cruise control 'bleeping' or accelerating hard after a while. Maybe happens twice in 5,000kms or so - very rare. Hopefully they're ironed out any bugs in the 4th year of this model though. Stay safe and enjoy the ride!
Great review! I appreciate your take on the new changes for 2020. I have a 2016 with 35,000 miles and am still in love with it. Only things I need from the 2020 are the gear indicator, outside temp and new improved display, (eyes are getting weaker at 71 lol. I think I can live without the rest for now. Still have the stock shield, run a Garmin GPS, and use electric liner and gloves when needed under an Aerostich suit. Use the N1K for mostly sport-touring; 3,500-5,000 mile trips. I came off a 2008 Concours14 with 85,000 miles, the nearly 200 pound weight loss was what sold me. Thanks again for a very informative review.
Thanks for the feedback. Great to hear that you're getting so much good use out of your 2016. The display is a huge improvement - no doubt there. (From another person with aging eyes) :-)
Great review, i'm pushing 3500km on my 2021. And i will get my points as in the video. As i live and ride in Sweden some issues might not apply in other areas. Also, i'm only doing 300km+ trips when riding. like 2% commuting and more weekend rides. im 176cm short and (200cm if going for weight) Cruise Control: No "errors" but as you said, it retard the speed when leaning. that has to do with the speedo and tyres, when leaning the area decreases and slows down the speed. Only an issue when on open roads with some twists you still can go thru on cruise. Quickshifter: Magical when threated correct. In Road mode it is smoother than in Sportmode. Nothing to report as negative. more than it needs getting used to. ABS: no issues, i think it's well balanced. i got the front to kick in on track but not on road. TC/Riding modes: Road is suitable for every rider i think. Your explanation is spot on. Sport mode gives you the ability to lift the front wheel more, but is not unrestricted. It only feels that way if your not used to doing wheelies. Rainmode is my "long day cruise mode" saves fuel and will save you going round a blind corner when gravel comes up. Raider mode is just the ability to map of your own. Handling: i come from naked bikes and i felt the first 1000km was feeling like loading a cow on a trailer. Frontheavy and did not give me the feedback i needed. The issue was the suspension being to soft setup, a day at the track and some help from Dave Moss youtube and i got it correct. And gave me the comfort on road as well. So first impression is not all. You need a correct suspension setup for YOUR driving style. Lean angle: Well, as you said. Do not look at this trying to hit high score. I can tell that on normal roads i hit 40 degrees easy. On track 50 deg without scraping the pegs. However i think i'm on the limit with 50 degrees. It's not a track bike, but it's good enough for a blast. The Battlax S22 is hypersport with good grip overall, but i'm changing them to Pilot Road 5 soon due to wear. Luggage: Nothing to report. Heated grips: Underpowered, Oxford has more punch. And also your feedback is spot on regarding interface. Screen: You are spot on. i feel that when on highway, the screen in top mode gets you the protection needed, but with turbulence in the helmet area. in lower settings less turbolent but more wind on body of course (130km/h) Rideology App: I miss when i thought it would be a good thing. total crap. Overall im really happy with the bike, i tested a few other brands before and are not finding a better sport touring for my needs. im that guy in a crossover, still wanting to hit the track sometimes and driving style is more sportish than touring. next step would be an adventure bike i think. and a track bike on the side. So this bike is a really good middleway.
Thanks for your very detailed response. Like you - I suspect my next bike will be adventure. I expect the roads to get worse as our government is in an ever increasing debt as well. Great points you have raised. Thanks for taking the time to write!
HUGE VFR fan here.... the '98 NON-VTEC is the gold standard! However, I remember when these Ninja 1000's came out and they were strong on my list of contenders to buy. There are some things that seem a bit impractical about the Kawi like no center stand, shite exhaust placement, looks that are.... subjective, buzzing in the bars, poor factory saddlebag design. And let's not forget, the VFR has that SOUND! No bike sounds like the VFR! But, overall it seems that Kawasaki has done a good thing for the 'every day rider" like myself who enjoys long trips as much as he does a trip to the local super market. I may continue to consider one of these -- your video has definitely pushed me back in the right direction. It'll be a tall order to get me to forget about my Viffer, lol....
The VFR and Ninja are two different bikes indeed. Both Sports Tourers, but from the opposite ends of the spectrum in my opinion. I won't like. I miss the center stand heaps! I also miss that more sporty seating position. But the buzzing in bars isn't an issue anymore for me - either it's gone, or subsided so much I don't notice it. Maybe one thing they fixed up. In the end - the pickings for a new sports tourer bike are slim, and what the Ninja lacks in some areas compared to the VFR - it makes up in others. If you can - my suggestion is to hire one for a day and get a good few hundred km's on it and see what you think at the end. Take care and stay safe!
I Benjamin. I'll see what I can do. Hopefully COVID doesn't have us locked down too much and the weather will be kind enough to let me get out and get the k's up! :-)
Hi there. Thanks for your vids and effort. I'm just about to trade in my BMW F800R for brand new SX. And your reviews were especially helpful in making up my decision. Also I do have several questions if you do not mind: - how the bike feels on long distance trips. Is it comfy enough for a let's say 1000km run in a single day? - did you experienced whatever technical issues with the bike so far? - may be you can recommend some most essential/most useful upgrades for it? And again thanks for excellent and helpful reviews.
Hi, Never done 1,000km on it in a day, but have done 700km's and compared to my VFR doing the same - it's far more comfortable. No problems for me at all.. Technical issues with the bike have only been what's reported here. (The cruise 'blipping' has occurred twice more over the past 12 months). As for upgrades - I've done none at this stage. I would like to get my hands on a touring windshield but current financial situation will have me tight for cash for a little while. Hope this is of help, and good luck with your decision making!
This is exactly what I wanted....a review from a fellow amateur rider. All the reviews out there are filled with too much technicality which honestly I don't need. However I understand the European models and the US models would have some difference. For instance we don't have the heated grips even as an option. Great video and loved the pop up explanations of Aussie slangs in between !!!!!
@@amateurhour3966 I have had a few motorcycles but my 2013 Yamaha FZ6R was sitting for two years but I still had a chance to place 78,000 miles on it 😁💪🏼. This has been the onely bike that has peaked my interest with the combinations of what I like and how I like to ride.
How about another one of your update reviews with the top 10 best things about the Ninja1000SX.... (compared to the VFR if you like). Really like the way you ride and the roads look amazing. We are still in lockdown here in Scotland because of corona virus so enjoying your vids meantime. Thanks. Stay safe.
Great review mate. Very professional and informative but never boring. I'm strongly considering getting a Njnja and you're video is very helpful. Cheers!
Hi N-Biker. Glad to hear that it's not boring - I was concerned with the length of time of the video, but so far it seems as though most people have enjoyed it. Glad that you found it very helpful. Good luck with your hunting!
Very well done!! The comments say it all!!👍👍👏👏👏 For someone who was a little too self critical on your first review, and considering a "radio presenter coarse" may I congratulate you on a very clearly presented, honest unbiased review, which put the "Professionals" to SHAME!!. No annoying overbearing background music!! No rushing through a reading from someone else's script. To clearly hear the engine/ exhaust sound, whilst being totally immersed in the ride experience, I felt as though I was riding pillion with you!! Let's hope this Lockdown doesn't drag on too long, or that any of the restrictions are allowed to remain in place after it's over. I get a gut feeling that this " Virus" is more LETHAL to people's freedoms and resetting the economy, whilst also dehumanising humanity, than it is " deadly" in other ways!! Many more people seem to be suffering from it's SIDE EFFECTS, than from it's SYMPTOMS?!! Stay Safe everyone!! Don't let the B@$+@!?£$ grind you down!!
Hi Michael. Wow - thanks so much for your encouraging feedback. So glad that the way I presented it was so immersive for you! I love music, but I'm aware it's very personal - what one person likes another dislikes. Plus - even though I miss the V4 sound - I'm beginning to enjoy the sound of the inline 4 more and more - and think it would be a shame not to have it in the background on the video. :-) I completely agree with you that the virus's lethalness isn't just in physical health but also in other areas. Mental health, economy as well as changes to people's freedoms (some of which I have concerns will never be completely returned 100% when this is over). Stay safe, and thanks again for such encouragement!
Very good review. Kawasaki listened to people from the last bike. So good chance they will improve on some of the points you have mentioned. Nice looking bike aswell.
Great, thorough review (the aussie slang definitions were a riot!). Looks like a fun machine to tool around on. "Kinking" those bags like that definitely seems like a "style overrides function" type of choice. Great work and great edits as well!
Great review! I have just ordered a 2020 to replace my 2019 Z1000SX. That was a great bike, but the improvements are noticeable, and (almost) worth the hit I took on depreciation. I have to agree the shape of the panniers makes them less useful. A Question: why did you change the tyres so early?
Hey @Alan Briggs. Can you do an "actual user" review after about 8-10 months of ownership? I'm ready to move up from my Yamaha FJ-09, but would like to see more user reviews.
Hi Alan. Thanks for the feedback. I would be VERY interested in hearing a review from you - being a previous Ninja owner. Interesting to hear that the improvements are worth it for you! Me coming from a VFR I fear that my review would be no where as informative as what yours would be. In regards to the tires - I was supposed to go on a 5000km tour. I was told that the OEM tires aren't the same as after market (in that there's less rubber), and that they would wear out quicker. I didn't want to take the risk of wearing down my tires and not having good rubber left before the end of the trip (I'd wear through a set on my VFR on one of these trips - the majority of the riding along twisty sections the whole time) - and figured if I did that on my VFR with after markets, I could risk wearing down too much on the OEM's. I've kept them and can put them back on after these wear out - but that was the main reason.
@@amateurhour3966 I will try to remember to give you an update after I have had mine for a month. On my 19my I kept the oe tyres for about 1000 miles before changing them. My reason for the early change is that the reviews for oe tyres were universally bad. I was going on a 3000 mile trip and didn't want to do it on those tyres. Metzeler had a two-for-one deal at the time, so I changed.
Coming in late here, but great video! Thank you. I will say, as someone who would almost certainly remove the stickers, I'm grateful that they're not painted over.
@@amateurhour3966 True! But I think it's definitely worth it. I removed the stickers on my 19 Ninja 650 and, personally, I think it looks much better. Also, I forgot to say, thank you for your honesty in the video! Most reviews these days feel more like third-party marketing adds. I'm glad you went over both the good and the bad.
Great review very detailed and honest i have my ninja on order so your videos have been great entertainment whilst I await its delivery...keep up the great work
Hi finally got mine on May 2nd but lockdown in the uk meant I cant legally ride it, hope you dont mind me asking it looks like you have had the power socket fitted was that a factory fit or third party..... also after taking a back road trip out on a sunny warm day my heated grip on the left became loose in the heat !! Have you had any experiences with yours.. thanks in advance
11: Make the ride app auto connect on startup 12: Make it possible to push the telephone screen to the TFT in order to use google maps as navi 13: Put a sidestand warning light on the dash.
I also came from the VFR to Z1000SX. I am enjoying the bike quite a bit. I have found an issue that is repeatable and I don't like. I don't change the ride mode out of Sport so it may be a Sport mode issue only. When i do a hard roll-on to higher rpm's, as soon as I let off the throttle completely, the bike will start to decelerate but the throttle will blip to full throttle for just a moment and nearly throw me off the back of the bike. It then resumes a normal deceleration and everything is good. Wasn't ready the first time and it was a bad moment. Rode home and changed my underwear and then went on with my day. Wondered if you have experienced this. You mentioned the throttle during your cruise control discussion. Great review. Honest and well thought out.
hi Chris. Can't say that I've experienced that but will keep an eye out for it. I'm assuming yours is a older model? Z1000SX? The 2020 and beyond is an electronic throttle, so not sure if that makes any difference but I'll be keeping an eye out for that one.
The cruise control works on RPM, when your bike leans, the rpm will rise automatically because the size of the wheel becomes smaller. Hence the RPM goes up, and the cruise control softens up.
Hi Jurgen. Thanks for your comment. That would make a lot of sense - (I'll have to double check) - but I think with this model the cruise actually works on the speed itself. (It displays the speed it is set to against the cruise if you go 'off' that speed, and if I recall correctly - I was able to resume the cruise in a different gear and have it still reset back to the same speed - as opposed to the same RPM's). When it occurred it was sudden, not linear. (ie, I could go over a certain angle and it maintained speed, and then when I went a little further it changed significantly). I'll keep in mind what you've mentioned and see if I can find any more details. Have a great weekend!
@@amateurhour3966 hahaha.. It means very good.. Thank you so much for the practical review. I was sooo about to upgrade to Ninja 1000SX, but I decided to keep my 650 for now upon watching your detailed & practical review.. Maybe next year... 🥰😍
Hey man, I believe your true qualities are your honesty and thoroughness, which are widely appreciated. I own the 2019 version myself. Regarding the cruise control, I believe the issues are caused because it's programmed to maintain the amount of rpm's (revs), rather than the speed itself. When you go uphill or lean in a corner the load on the engine changes (and the revolutions increase, thus the ECU wants to lower the revolutions per minute to "equal' the set amount). This would explain why your cruise control falters.
Hi Tommethjeuh1. Thanks very much for your kind remarks. Regarding the cruise - A good thought and it would explain it - however with what I've observed (if I recall correctly) - I believe I can resume in another gear and it still goes back to the same speed, not the same revs. Additionally it actually displays the speed that the cruise control is set on the screen. The question is whether it uses the abs sensor device for the speed from the front wheel, or gets it off the front sprocket. I'll double check when I get the chance again ton confirm when I get the chance.
Hi again Tommethjeuh!. Just an update. i took the bike out again last night for a short ride. I can confirm - cruise is based on speed and not rev's. (I set the cruise at 50kph, then changed down a gear. When I resumed cruise - it went back to 50kph, and matched on speed - not on the original rev's). Also - just a note with the cruise retarding - it actually drops the rev's after a certain lean angle. I'm not sure if it disengages completely and then resumes, or just retards (I haven't found a sweeper big enough to let it go completely). :-) I'll keep an eye on it and hopefully be able to post an updated short video on the cruise when I have it all figured out. Stay safe!
@@amateurhour3966 hmm, in that case, it will indeed be set on speed. But your speedometer calculates speed according to the revolutions of your wheel... The more your lean angle increases, the more you digress from the accuracy of the speedometer (the circumference of your wheel when upright is larger when at lean angle because of the shape of the tires). Your bike thus 'falsesly' detects a lower speed when leaning and probably that's why it shuts itself off
@@tommetjeuh1Thanks. That could well be the case. I would have expected that the experience would be more linear, and not as sudden as it was - but it could be a delay in calculations or something. I'm not sure of a practical way of testing whether or not it is due to tire radius or lean angle sensor - but I guess at the end of the day it doesn't matter - the effect is still the same. Thanks for your thoughts!
Hi John. Someone else has already done that, there's a youtube video of it. I'm also thinking the same thing myself too now. I know that it's a irreversible decision so I'm not jumping in, but I'd like to remove them and paint the front cowl the same black as the rest, leaving the silver stripe down the side. I think it'd look epic.
Great review and wonderful riding choice of road. I found myself daydreaming and had to rewind a few times to hear your comments. haha..... It's been 4 yrs and I'm thinking of pulling the pin on a 2023 model with 4000kms on it, HOW DO you find the engine vibrations you noted near the end of the video. Again, great review. Cheers mate.
Good questions. I keep meaning to do a follow up video but time and priorities at the moment get in the way. lol. Engine vibrations I don't notice anymore. Whether it''s because I've gotten used to them, or they've died down to being like any other normal bike, I'm not entirely sure. I think it might be a factor of both. I'm fairly certain that they've died down significantly since first purchasing the bike. (I've got 28,000kms on it now). For me, no regrets on the purchase at all. I've got a mate who owns a European made bike from new (and paid a lot more for it)- and he's had numerous warranty issues and a factory recall on it. The Ninja in comparison had none. She's been solid right out of the gate! Hope this helps, and good luck with your decision!
@@amateurhour3966 definitely helps and appreciate your perspective. Going to test ride next week. Fingers crossed 😁 Thanks for the quick response. Cheers
Am Hour: Great review. Was looking to buy the 2018 model but decided against it when some reviewers mentioned the revised suspension dimensions causing the bike to "have a vague front end and having it drop" into corners. Dont know if this was the case, test rides of 40mins around suburban back streets dont reveal much about bikes. Ended up going with an MT10. After some were available to test at a track day i was attending. And i love it. Great listing of various pros & cons. I tell you what more established YT reviewers like Mr Pulling could do worse than taking a few notes of your format. Also what road is that youre riding along. Am assuming its in Vic? Looks fantastic. Stay safe keep the content coming.
Thanks YY. I completely agree with you. I think the best thing manufacturers could do is have their new models available for a day hire - allow people to get out and spend a full day on it. (Charge hire rates or whatever). I'd gladly put a few hundred dollars down to spend a whole day or two to take a bike out where it counts and see what it's like after a full day's riding before committing. I can't help but think if a manufacturer did this - they'd get more sales - simply because the fear of 'whether the bike is good enough or not' would be gone. I suspect most modern day bikes would be great to ride given the time to get used to it - but alas we don't seem to have that option. Hope you get much enjoyment and miles under your feet on your MT10! Great bike! The road(s) in this video were in the Vic's alpine ranges. Omeo Highway (one of the all time fav's of mine), Great Alpine Way (Hotham) and Falls Creek.
@@amateurhour3966 Yeah just discovered the Omeo in April 2019. Im in Sydney so i rode it with some mates. Was that impressed with it, we went down it again during moto gp weekend the next october? I think. Must admit though both times ive ridden it there was barely any traffic, which makes it more enjoyable. Im not a fan of Dan Andrews but if hes the one responsible for the upkeep of your roads, well he cant be all that bad afterall. NSW roads are good but their surfaces can be a bit dodgy at times. Anyway all the best keep up the good work.
Great review. I have ridden my VFR for seven years and I now need to move on. So test ride on the Kawasaki this coming Wednesday arranged by Fowlers in Bristol (UK).
Actually I came across this video because I bought one today. I wish I watched this before I decided to get one. But even with these flaws I dont think I would have changed my mind. Didnt know there even was a centerstand as an optional but will definately look that up. Great review . Thanks from Sweden 👍
Hi Rickard. Congrat's on your purchase! Just to clarify - there is no centre stand as an option. I just wish that there was! (The centrestand is on the VFR which I have come from). I hope you have safe and enjoyable rides!
New subscriber 😊 I have a Triumph Street Triple RS and looking to exchange that to the Ninja 1000SX soon. The RS is a bit too extreme for me. Thanks for the extended video, loved it. Cheers
Some quirks, yeah. You are gonna love it. I've got the 2014 N1K sport/touring. 40k+ miles and still impressed. I also have a 2019 ZX-10R. I have had no major issues with either bike. Rear tire myth. The rear spring is a little soft. I may upgrade mine. Get a sag meter and know where 35mm is on rear suspension when just you, w/passenger, loaded bags. Properly adjusted suspension is the answer, not a higher profile tire.
Fantastic video! Great feedback on everything...room for improvement but still an amazing bike and definitely still my top choice for when it comes time to get my tourer bike. I don’t know if I missed it, but still waiting on the pillion comfort feedback =)
Hi PIPE. You haven't missed it - I haven't had my wife on the back yet to give a review sorry. Unfortunately now with the lockdown - it will be some time before I get a chance to do that sorry.
Very well done hands on review! I have the 2022 version of that bike, although I don't think much has changed. I really love that bike, did now put on 10000kms on it in the first 9 months I owned it. And so far it's really great, especially for touring, did a two week trip around Norway with it and it was just smooth sailing. I agree with most of the issues you have, especially the heated grips. They work great, but the interface is just garbage. Also I found that the panniers and bags are not that big of an issue for me, yes they are a big compromise between looks and practicality, but once I got used to packing them it was no problem. For longer trips I also use an additional tank bag on the rear seat. Also seems like they did not really improve the Rideology app in the last two years, it's still garbage. With cruise control, I basically never use it, I just don't know, in the car I use it all the time, but on the bike it feels weird, but then speed limits and speed traps are not that much of a problem here in Germany as they seem to be in Australia ;)
Thanks for your comments trustme. Funny you say that. I'm planning another trip in a weeks time (finally getting another big ride in on her) - and have settled for the tank bag on rear seat + pannier options. My biggest concern now is the phone holder. I've upgraded from an iPhone8 to a 14, and hear that there's issues with the camera getting damaged. Have purchased a quadlock dampner kit, but not sure I can fully trust it, so trying to work through my options with that now. As for the cruise, yeah - our government sold all their methods of making money (telco, elecricity, privatising roads, etc) - so their only option with raising revenue now is taxes and fines - and they're making the most of what they can unfortunately. Exceeding by as little as 2mph can cost us nearly $200, so the cruise is a wallet saver here for sure. Thanks for the reply!
Thanks Danijel. Yes - I do plan on looking into a replacement windshield, howvever I'm holding off any new purchases at this stage until lthings stable down with this COVID lockdown and I know how much cash (if any) I have remaining to put towards such things.
Thank your for a fantastic review. Best one I’ve seen thus far on this bike. One question, I am considering this bike and CB1000R+. I know they are quite different bikes but any feedback you may have will be appreciated. Thank you.
Hi Pedrum. Thanks for your feedback. I would love to be able to help but I know absolutely nothing about the CB1000R+. I wouldn't know one if it passed me on the street, so I'm unfortunately the last person to be asking. ;-) Good luck with your search and decision making.
Getting back into biking after nearly 20 yrs and having a big off which put me off riding. Next year I want to get myself a small bike to get my riding skills back then I want a tourer for me and the Wife to travel on and this bike looks the right tool for the job, thanks for the review and helping me make my decision.
You're welcome Kenny. A possible cost saving option for you - buy the 1K, and run it in 'rain' mode to get your riding skills back. Save you buying two bikes. ;-)
I too have one of these and have noticed the same slow down when cornering on cruise control, I have actually put this down to the cruise maintaining the same rpm as opposed to the same speed and when you lean the tyre has a smaller diameter on the side and therefore speed will reduce. Haven't done the math but it is what it feels like to me. Falls creek rd is one of my favorites too. nice accurate review.
Thanks Dave. With the cruise - I wasn't in the corner long enough to see if it stablised at alower speed, or whether it continued to reduce. I wondered if it may have been a sensor safety thing to stop it if it thought the bike was 'going over' but either way - it's good to have confirmation that it's definitely happening and not my imagination. :) Falls creed Rd - hanging out to get back up there!
I did hear that the reason that they don't allow panniers and a top box at the same time is because when the shortened the steering rake angle to sort out the steering they made it less stable at high speed and the concern is that having both pannier and a top box affected the air-flow over the bike and could make it unstable. Dunno if it's true but a sports tourer that can't take a top box and panniers is very poor. Also the panniers and top box are re-badged Givi units I believe.
Hi Tom. I've just completed a 3,300km week with the panniers and a after market tail bag. Didn't have any problems at all with the handling of it. I did 'hear' that it had to do with stability or structural integrity at high speeds (aka, over 100mph). But that's unconfirmed web rumors.
The reason the cruise slowed down in corners is when you lean, the rolling radius of the wheel gets smaller, so the wheel turns faster for a constant speed, so the bike thinks you sped up, and begins to slow down.
Thanks horus909. Others have suggested this, but the change is actually sudden. You can go over so far with no change, and then it's a distinct lowering with the throttle. I hope once the COVID is lifted to be able to record a demonstration - and put it up for others to evaluate as from what I felt it seems to be more than just the tire radius - but I could be completely off the mark and you might be right. Thanks for the tip!
Thank you so much for your two videos. I too am now a proud owner of a sx and am still delighted. Only small gripes would be vibes (coming from a twin) and less wind protection than I expected from the touring screen. Two years on, do you have any other comments to share?
Hi Gavin. Yes - I would like to get a touring windshield as well. There's not much more to comment on at this stage. I've had the 'bleep' of the cruise control happen a couple more times since which is a bit disconcerting, but apart from that it's been pretty smooth and enjoyable. I hope you enjoy many more k's under your belt on your new
Beautiful review which has covered almost all aspects of Motorcycle and It's indication the experience/ expectations someone upgrading from Honda to A Kawasaki, Probably every Honda owner thinks That it is last line in The Motorcycle world, Well probably that may be case But Kawasaki always provided new technological breakthrough,I always loved Kawasaki as it is remain underrated. Anyway Superb hill roads. Good riding though very Restrained (any speed limit restriction). Looking forward for more riding review.
Hi Rajesh. Thanks for the feedback. It was hard to switch from Honda to Kawasaki - but in all honesty - I feel that Honda have let the team down for a while. The VFR's (especially the earlier ones) were plagued with electronic / wiring issues - the engine over engineered, but the wiring underso - and it surprised me how many years this went on for - instead of addressing so quickly. I feel with Kawasaki's shorter 'turn around' from generation to generation (What was the 6th Gen VFR - 7 years?) - they address issues faster. I haven't heard of any known issues in their more recent models - which is really a credit to them! As for the speed limits - yes - they are restricted. The pace wasn't too bad on one of the roads - but the angle of the camera is a bit deceiving. I'm also not a BLAT rider (Brake late and turn), and prefer smoother riding, whilst keeping corner speeds up - especially on the public roads.
@@amateurhour3966 great to note, Anyway it's law of average I guess caught with them, Before coming back hard. Till such time enjoy Kawasaki. Meanwhile your service experience may be as good as the Motorcycle itself. Again beautiful winding road. Take care and looking fwd for more touring video.
Great review. Just rode one very quickly today. Have a 2017 V-Strom 650XT which I bought around a month ago to try adventure riding which I have found is not my thing. Now going the sports tourer option which I had been considering. Have a 2020 Street Triple RS and the Ninja will be perfect as my other bike. Just need to decide on colour! Like yours and there is one sitting in the showroom as well as two black and a 2021 green just waiting on a decision.
Thank you for such a great review!!! These are EXACTLY the things riders need to know when considering a bike! No bike is perfect, so knowing the strengths and weaknesses really helps one consider the experience in which they might invest money, time, and energy. Wow! Happy safe riding to you!
Thanks so much for the comment - great to know that my review - as amateur as it was :-) is helpful. I've been quite humbled and surprised by so much positive feedback - thanks so much!
@@amateurhour3966praise was worth it. Heckofa review👍👍👍
This is the 5th review I have watched and by far the best one
Thanks Enhancedreality! Appreciate the feedback!
Ricki Tang is a good one.
👏👏👏 half an hour felt like 10 minutes!! Great review!! 👍👍
Thanks Henry! I'm glad it didn't sound dragged out! :-) Just wish I had better video footage to show!
This review was more of a review on this bike than 10 others combined. Love how he states everything good and bad about the bike and let's you decide what is a deal breaker or not for yourself. He said it was a long video but didn't even notice. This guy need to demo more bikes and review them. Great job man really great job.
Thanks for the kind comments Stephen! I'm more than happy to review other bikes if the manufactures want to put me on the list of test riders. :-)
@@amateurhour3966id say this review is a great resume😊. As long as any manufacturers of other motorcycles dont mind hearing the downsides which as far as development is an upside. Critical thinking, upsides and downsides 😊
Defo one of the best reviews by normal biker out there. Just ordered my new Ninja 1000sx this weekend. This review was a big help in me checking my priorities against the list for potential improvements, whilst appreciating the great things about this bike. Critical, fair and in depth from a real rider perspective. Wicked review fella - cheers!
Thanks Bob - I appreciate the feedback. Good luck with your decision making!
Nice to hear feedback from an owner after a good few miles of riding. I particularly value your comments about the comfort and riding position as I am 6'2" and all other road tests I have seen were by riders significantly shorter than myself.
Hi Graham. Thanks for the feedback. Indeed - it's sometimes hard for us to get ideas from reviews being so much taller than the average population.
I'm considering this bike for a while now. And your review was simply awesome. Thank you so much for all the effort you clearly have put in it. Well done!
Thanks Eddy. So glad that the reviews were helpful for you!
Love the pop up of Aussie translations 😂 ace review chap!
Thanks Robert - I figured there's a lot who may not understand the old style Aussie slang. :-)
The best review of that bike Ive ever seen. Well done.
Its all those little things you notice after a while that can really add up.
Cheers. Appreciate the feedback. I'm told I think about things too much some times. Probably not good for most things in life - but probably an asset when it comes to reviewing things. :-)
Thanks for taking the time to give such a detailed review. Great job.
Thanks for taking the time to watch it. :-)
BEST review of the 2020 Ninja 1000sx on the internet. TWO thumbs up!
Hi Michael. Thanks so much for the very generous compliment. FWIW - I wouldn't be against Kawasaki (or any other bike manufacturer for that instance) - flying me over to their press reviews and letting me go on tour with them for a few days and giving some feedback. (Although maybe I'm too critical for any to want that). :-)
I've done over 100k on my 2013 model and love this bike. I can confirm I did change the rear tyre size to prevent drop in when low speed cornering but the changes you describe with this model only makes me sure to stick with the Ninja in the future. Heated grips and a more padded seat and it is a no brainer. This engine is the bomb for me. Straight line power delivery means no worries even when the front starts to rise. Not one for the track due to weight but pure fun with double f on the road and from a standing start the weekend warriors on their Gixers get a massive 'sit the f down'. Love it.
LOL - glad you've been getting so much enjoyment out of yours. It's taken a while for me to get to a Ninja - but it is sure a nice bike!
Fantastic review! Well done, sir! Thanks!
Hi Cablecutter12. Thanks for the feedback.
Awesome video! So hard to find an actual 1000SX owner's personal review. Helped me decide about moving up to this bike. Currently riding my Yamaha FJ-09...love my bike but am ready for moving up to the 1000SX.
Thanks Stonehands for the feedback. So glad that my review has been helpful. I'm disappointed I couldn't do a better review (get that 5,000kms under my belt touring around for a week and a bit in the twisties) - but hopefully the day will come. Good luck with your future riding, and stay safe!
@@amateurhour3966 Hey don't worry about not being a better review. It was good. How about another review in about 8-10 months, enough to cover any maintenance issues, seat comfort and any mods you did or plan on doing. Like I said before, rather watch your "user" review than a guy that borrowed the bike, did a quick review and returned it back to the dealership. Keep riding safe!
Hi. This and your first review in my opinion are the best I have seen about the Ninja SX. Very detailed an honest. Helped me a lot to go for my green MY 2020. Have it since 2 weeks now and I'm really impressed about that bike. Wonders me kind of because I had a 2016 Aprilia Tuono before which is a very emotional bike. But driving at normal speeds or in the town is not really fun with the Tuono here in Switzerland, at 80 kph on normal roads outside villages. 4th to 6th gear are useless... :-). So the Ninja feels also very sporty, stabel, soft, creamy and easy to drive.
I have installed the higher airscreen, what helps a lot (I'm 1.80m). Also riding with my wife is a pleasure, you nearly do not notice the extra weight and the seating position is comfy and she is not pushing from behind while breaking. With the bags installed it is a little complicated for her to place her foots on the pegs for climbing up the rear seat. Hopefully we will work this out and find a proper technique.... Would be nice to see more reviews from you. You should work at a motorcycle channel or newspaper. This is professional- and no way amateur stuff. Ride safe and greetings from Switzerland, where tomorow finally the weather will change for the better... Greetings Michael
Hi Michael. Thanks very much for your kind words, and I'm so glad that it was helpful to you. My wife loves being on the back too (much more than the VFR!) :-). I would love to put some more video's up, but unfortunately at the moment life has become crazy on multiple fronts and is taking away from any free time I've had for a while to do so, but if things change I hope to be able to do some more reviews. They're definitely amateur (as in production as well as not being paid ;-) ) - but what I lack in polishing I try and make up for in content. Switzerland ey? Oh man - have you got some wonderful riding ahead of you! Jealous!!! :-)
Thanks for putting in the time to make a really informative review. This is the best review i have seen, showing the good & the bad points of the bike, with a lot of useful info along the way. I am waiting for my 2021 model to arrive & have my Hopnel inner bags waiting in the garage already thanks to you.
Hi Steve. Sweet! Glad that you found the review helpful. Wish I had have known about the Hopnel's myself before I committed to the Kawasaki, but I guess I've saved myself in other areas due to others that have gone before me and learned the hard way too - so it's a bit of take and share. Hope you get many enjoyable miles next year!
Finally, a ridgey-didge review of this bike. I've been scouring the interweb for ages looking for a decent review - with none of the OTT blokey BS or crappy death-metal soundtrack. Even at 27mins duration, I enjoyed your review very much. Thank you! Awesome bike - I'll have one in pride-of-place in my garage in the not-to-distant future!
-Will, Canberra
Hi Will. Thanks very much for your feedback! Canberra ey? You've got some nice roads nearby - and you aren't too far away from some of Australia's greats. I think you'd love this bike up there in the high country. I got a days riding up there on this before they closed the borders and locked everything down. (Was supposed to have a whole week). Wishing you good luck with your future purchase and riding!
This is one of the best reviews of a motorcycle that I have seen on UA-cam. You have covered all the little details which a prospective buyer really wants to know. Great work mate, keep it up! One thing you missed is the fuel economy though.
Hi Uday. Thanks very much for the encouraging reply. I thought I did touch on fuel economy in my previous review - but to give you an idea - it looks like I can get close to 400kms out of a tank. Much better than I expected. I hope this is of help, and thanks for he constructive criticism - it's welcome and greatly appreciated.
Thanks for an excellent in depth review. The best Ive found on YT. I hope Kawasaki act on your final points - esp re centre stand, heated grips and panniers. The 1000SX is sill on my next possible bike list along with late model FJR. But gave me lots to consider. Thanks for taking the time to put the vid together.
Thanks very much for your encouraging words. After 3 years I have a few extra thoughts where I probably should do a follow up video. I just need to find the time. LOL. I don't have hope's for a centre stand unfortunately, but even with the other stuff, if Kawasaki don't make the change, at least people know what to expect of what they have, and can make up their minds if they buy genuine, or after market versions. Safe riding!
thanks, an update (even a short one) would be excellent.@@amateurhour3966
Another great 'amateur' review. Good work, mate!
Thanks Lee!
Hands down the absolute best review of this bike I've seen bar none. I'm sniffing around for one of these and the other reviews don't get anywhere near the detailed information you provided. An excellent jobby mate!
Thanks for the encouragement Phillip - I appreciate the feedback. Now, if only I had some more personality / expressions to put with the information. ;-)
I am looking at this Bike so cheers for the great review . Love the roads around Mitta / Omeo and can't wait to be allowed back in the area . Take care
Hi David. You're welcome - and yes - was really cut that my once every 2 year trip up there was cut short and we only got a day instead of a week in that area because of COVID. Hopefully opportunities will present themselves again!
Excellent review and thanks for all information going to order mine when this covid lockdown is over, I’ve subscribed and can’t wait for next vid
Hi Wayne, Thanks very much for your kind reply. Hopefully I can find enough worth making more video's on to warrant your time watching them. :-)
@Wayne Laidler Can you do a "user's" video also? Just not enough actual user videos on the 1000SX.
Thanks for your honest review on this particular model! You shared lots of useful information about this bike and any person (like me) who is considering to buy this bike should take note of it before actually put down the deposit to a dealer without regret after that point of time.
Hi Autobot. Thanks for the feedback. Indeed - it's nice to know exactly what you're getting in for before making a decision. Don't let my critical review turn you off though (unless one of those things is a deal breaker). If I was to buy any other bike, I'd be just as critical on it with reviews - not to put it down, but I always believe there is room for improvement - whether it's large or very small is all that changes. (Of course, other things will be personal preference, or changes due to height or weight). Good luck with your search for your next bike!
I just bought this bike. Thanks for the review. I get the bike in a week. I have had 2 Honda CBRs and a Suzuki, Katana, I think this is the perfect bike. I’ve been looking for something sporty, and comfortable. This bike has it all.
Hi Allan. Congratulations on your purchase! I hope it gives you as much enjoyment and pleases you as much as I have gotten out of it. :-)
AH - thank you for the informative review. I am considering consolidating 3 bikes for this one, so absorbing as much info as possible before taking one on a test ride. Many thanks again for sharing! EW from the States! :)
Hi Ernst. You're welcome - I hope it's of some help! Good luck with your search and decision making!
Very informative review, thanks! (Nice lines through the twisties too.)
Thanks Adrian. :-) Re the lines - yeah - I'm very much a in wide, out tight kinda guy - it's saved me from a few frights with people being well over my side of the line so far, and I don't expect drivers to improve on the roads anytime soon. ;-)
Fantastic review! Answered all my questions and have made my decision so much easier. Thank you very much.
Hi Stuart. Thanks for the feedback. So glad I could help! Good luck with your decision making!
Excellent review thank you. I'm debating between this and the BMW 1250RS, test-riding both next week. Cheers from Scotland.
Hi Gary. Though choice. It was easier for me as the nearest BMW dealer is over 3 hours away for servicing. Good luck with it!. :-)
A wonderful review and so nice to see the "local" country, I am looking to buy a older bike and considering both the Ninja 1000 (earlier version) and a VFR800. You seem to be the perfect person to give a comparison, do you miss the VFR? ... bugger should have listenned to the very end :)
G'day. I still have the VFR but will be selling it shortly. Pointless having 2 bikes. There are a few things I still miss with the VFR. The more sporty seating position, the way it 'feels' in the corners and the centre stand (bigtime!). But I've had my time on the VFR. I'm only getting older - and with some back issues having a less sporty position makes more sense now. I exchange a sportier seating position for a sportier engine - and there is a lot of power difference. :-) If going the earlier version of the 1000, be sure to check out the 'rear tire mod' by changing from a /50 to a /55. (Do a search on the net - there's plenty of talk abou tit).
@@amateurhour3966 thank you
Very informative review. This bike is on my short list so I took special interest in your review. In your next review could you comment on a night ride, preferably one with a few tight corners so you can assess how well the headlights light up the road on the inside of the corner. Thanks again for doing the review.
Hi Alan. Thanks for the feedback. I've been meaning to go out on a night ride with my daughter, but as far as tight corners are concerned, it would be more around town at low speeds than in Twisties - but I'll definitely do my best to provide some feedback. (Hopefully the go-pro will pick up well in the low light).
Probably the best review video I’ve ever seen on UA-cam. Thank you!
Wow - thanks Chris! Appreciate the encouragement.
Thoroughly enjoying these reviews, so I visited your channel to see the latest update, only to find the last one was the night riding from three months ago. I hope all is well with you and look forward to your longer term update. All the best..Michael
Hi Michael,
Thanks very much for your post and for checking in. I do apologise - I was hoping to have an updated review at the moment, but life has been challenging (as I'm sure it is with many) at the moment. I will try and get around to another one when some time opens up for me though! Stay safe - take care!
Quite a thorough review, well done. You are specific and detailed, which I appreciate. Thanks!
Thanks for watching Steve, glad it was worth your time to watch. :)
Thanks for the very comprehensive review that covered many topics other reviewers miss. Very helpful. Thank you also for addressing my concerns about possible heat issue when stationary. I hope you continue to enjoy your new bike and I look forward to future updates. Stay safe.
Hi Sam. You're more than welcome - and glad that I was able to include your concerns with the heat issues. Just wish that I had a proper hot day to give a full review on. Have a great weekend!
Thanks AmateurHour, same too you.
Well sir, thanks in no small part to your candid reviews of this bike, I have had enough of the cheap and cheerful Tracer 900GT and pick up a new Ninja 1000SX in black on Saturday.
As I stated in a previous comment, your review content puts most others to shame. Not mentioning any names, but so many just regurgitate the brochure or the press release blurb or state how great bikes are nowadays or worse, perpetuate false headlines like 'Yamahas wonderful build quality' or 'exciting Hondas' (that's a joke to wind up the Honda boys and girls). I rarely learn anything about useful or unpublished about the bike.
Despite your misgivings of the touring pack, with the deal I got, it is worth the hassles you mention just to get matching panniers and neat looking heated grips (really dislike the Oxford gubbins you have to have on the bars). I did deliberate long and hard because of your comments, as it is another £800, but I think the advantages outweigh the negatives.
I too will miss the centre stand, mostly because I need to turn the bike around in the garage and currently use the centre stand on a dolly and the Rideology app will frustrate me no end for sure.
Unlike you, I am a Kawasaki fanboy (yes, I've owned 2 whole bikes some 20+ years ago) and I think that the 1000SX is one of the best looking bikes ever, seriously I really do, of all genres. But coming back to biking last year after a 20 year absence, I just didn't like the ride of the last model (hence the Tracer). But this new one with those geometry, suspension tweaks and latest toys, results in one of the nicest bikes I've ever ridden.
You called it refined, yes, I think that is a perfect description, but I also think it is gorgeous, what a combination ....... I'm getting butterflies just thinking about collecting it Saturday.
I look forward to chatting about this most wonderful bike over the coming months, and thanks again for a few awesome videos.
(Wish I could find twisties like that in the UK).
Hi Bob. Congratulations on your new Ninja purchase! Black? I didn't realise that they came in black (unless you mean the black & gray with the green stripe like mine)? I really hope you like the bike and find that my review stacks up with your own experiences! Enjoy and stay sunny side up! :-)
Great review, thank You! Since I’m about to purchase this bike in spring it was very helpful!
Great to hear! i hope you have many safe km's of riding under the tires! :-)
Great video! Informative and entertaining and didn't seem long at all. Amazing road you were on to and getting to hear the sound of the Porsches' in front of you was COOL. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed Carm. Thanks for the encouragement!
Brilliant review thank you so much most comprehensive review available to date on this bike
My pleasure. Thanks for the encouraging feedback.
Wish I could've left you a like for every section you covered. Great detail, and really helpful as I'm considering to get one at some point in 2025.
So glad that this was informative and helpful to you. All the best with your future purchase.
Thanks man. Considering this bike and it's pushing into the lead now. This is the only review that hasn't been "Best. Tourer. Ever."
Still going to get one but good to know the foibles first.
Glad my review was of help. I haven't been on enough bikes to consider whether it's "the best tourer ever", nor would I want to state that it would be (even if it was for me) as I know each individual needs of each person are different. Good luck with your search.
Thanks for the further updated review. Still trying to juggle finances to get myself on one of these!
Hi Bikesandbytes. Thanks for coming back and watching another one of my video's. I wish you all the best with your finance - now is a difficult time with all the shut downs and all. Stay safe!
Thank you very much for a great review! It has been very informative. Greatings from the Netherlands.
Hi Marcel. Glad it was of help to you! Hi from the land down under. :-)
Great review, in-depth and honest. Thanks 👏👍
Thanks for watching!
Wow. Very good review, very through lots of good points! I just got the 24 model ninja sx a week ago and love it!
Oh - sweet. I still have some issues (very occasionally) with the cruise control 'bleeping' or accelerating hard after a while. Maybe happens twice in 5,000kms or so - very rare. Hopefully they're ironed out any bugs in the 4th year of this model though. Stay safe and enjoy the ride!
Great review! I appreciate your take on the new changes for 2020. I have a 2016 with 35,000 miles and am still in love with it. Only things I need from the 2020 are the gear indicator, outside temp and new improved display, (eyes are getting weaker at 71 lol. I think I can live without the rest for now. Still have the stock shield, run a Garmin GPS, and use electric liner and gloves when needed under an Aerostich suit. Use the N1K for mostly sport-touring; 3,500-5,000 mile trips. I came off a 2008 Concours14 with 85,000 miles, the nearly 200 pound weight loss was what sold me. Thanks again for a very informative review.
Thanks for the feedback. Great to hear that you're getting so much good use out of your 2016. The display is a huge improvement - no doubt there. (From another person with aging eyes) :-)
Great review, i'm pushing 3500km on my 2021. And i will get my points as in the video.
As i live and ride in Sweden some issues might not apply in other areas.
Also, i'm only doing 300km+ trips when riding. like 2% commuting and more weekend rides.
im 176cm short and (200cm if going for weight)
Cruise Control: No "errors" but as you said, it retard the speed when leaning. that has to do with the speedo and tyres, when leaning the area decreases and slows down the speed.
Only an issue when on open roads with some twists you still can go thru on cruise.
Quickshifter: Magical when threated correct. In Road mode it is smoother than in Sportmode. Nothing to report as negative. more than it needs getting used to.
ABS: no issues, i think it's well balanced. i got the front to kick in on track but not on road.
TC/Riding modes: Road is suitable for every rider i think. Your explanation is spot on. Sport mode gives you the ability to lift the front wheel more, but is not unrestricted. It only feels that way if your not used to doing wheelies. Rainmode is my "long day cruise mode" saves fuel and will save you going round a blind corner when gravel comes up. Raider mode is just the ability to map of your own.
Handling: i come from naked bikes and i felt the first 1000km was feeling like loading a cow on a trailer. Frontheavy and did not give me the feedback i needed. The issue was the suspension being to soft setup, a day at the track and some help from Dave Moss youtube and i got it correct. And gave me the comfort on road as well. So first impression is not all. You need a correct suspension setup for YOUR driving style.
Lean angle: Well, as you said. Do not look at this trying to hit high score. I can tell that on normal roads i hit 40 degrees easy. On track 50 deg without scraping the pegs. However i think i'm on the limit with 50 degrees. It's not a track bike, but it's good enough for a blast. The Battlax S22 is hypersport with good grip overall, but i'm changing them to Pilot Road 5 soon due to wear.
Luggage: Nothing to report.
Heated grips: Underpowered, Oxford has more punch. And also your feedback is spot on regarding interface.
Screen: You are spot on. i feel that when on highway, the screen in top mode gets you the protection needed, but with turbulence in the helmet area. in lower settings less turbolent but more wind on body of course (130km/h)
Rideology App: I miss when i thought it would be a good thing. total crap.
Overall im really happy with the bike, i tested a few other brands before and are not finding a better sport touring for my needs. im that guy in a crossover, still wanting to hit the track sometimes and driving style is more sportish than touring.
next step would be an adventure bike i think. and a track bike on the side.
So this bike is a really good middleway.
Thanks for your very detailed response. Like you - I suspect my next bike will be adventure. I expect the roads to get worse as our government is in an ever increasing debt as well. Great points you have raised. Thanks for taking the time to write!
HUGE VFR fan here.... the '98 NON-VTEC is the gold standard! However, I remember when these Ninja 1000's came out and they were strong on my list of contenders to buy. There are some things that seem a bit impractical about the Kawi like no center stand, shite exhaust placement, looks that are.... subjective, buzzing in the bars, poor factory saddlebag design. And let's not forget, the VFR has that SOUND! No bike sounds like the VFR! But, overall it seems that Kawasaki has done a good thing for the 'every day rider" like myself who enjoys long trips as much as he does a trip to the local super market. I may continue to consider one of these -- your video has definitely pushed me back in the right direction. It'll be a tall order to get me to forget about my Viffer, lol....
The VFR and Ninja are two different bikes indeed. Both Sports Tourers, but from the opposite ends of the spectrum in my opinion. I won't like. I miss the center stand heaps! I also miss that more sporty seating position. But the buzzing in bars isn't an issue anymore for me - either it's gone, or subsided so much I don't notice it. Maybe one thing they fixed up. In the end - the pickings for a new sports tourer bike are slim, and what the Ninja lacks in some areas compared to the VFR - it makes up in others. If you can - my suggestion is to hire one for a day and get a good few hundred km's on it and see what you think at the end. Take care and stay safe!
Fantastic review!!!! I am moving from Ninja 650 to 1000sx and your detailed review has cemented the decision.... thanks!!!!
Sweet - glad I was able to be of some help! Thanks for the feedback.
Great video! Just bought my bike yesterday. However, being below zero C, I only took it for a short ride. Thanks for the tips using the tire sensors.
Sweet. Hope the weather warms up enough for you to enjoy some nice riding soon!
Great review mate. Looking forward to the next one
Hi Benjamin. Thanks for the compliment. I'm not sure what else there is to review - do you have any thoughts on what you'd like to see? :-)
AmateurHour i was thinking your 10k review or whatever else like that. It will be interesting to see what your thoughts are after that time
I Benjamin. I'll see what I can do. Hopefully COVID doesn't have us locked down too much and the weather will be kind enough to let me get out and get the k's up! :-)
Hi there.
Thanks for your vids and effort. I'm just about to trade in my BMW F800R for brand new SX. And your reviews were especially helpful in making up my decision.
Also I do have several questions if you do not mind:
- how the bike feels on long distance trips. Is it comfy enough for a let's say 1000km run in a single day?
- did you experienced whatever technical issues with the bike so far?
- may be you can recommend some most essential/most useful upgrades for it?
And again thanks for excellent and helpful reviews.
Hi,
Never done 1,000km on it in a day, but have done 700km's and compared to my VFR doing the same - it's far more comfortable. No problems for me at all..
Technical issues with the bike have only been what's reported here. (The cruise 'blipping' has occurred twice more over the past 12 months).
As for upgrades - I've done none at this stage. I would like to get my hands on a touring windshield but current financial situation will have me tight for cash for a little while.
Hope this is of help, and good luck with your decision making!
The best review I've seen of this bike.
Wow - thanks so much for your kind words!
This is exactly what I wanted....a review from a fellow amateur rider. All the reviews out there are filled with too much technicality which honestly I don't need. However I understand the European models and the US models would have some difference. For instance we don't have the heated grips even as an option. Great video and loved the pop up explanations of Aussie slangs in between !!!!!
Thanks for the feedback - glad that it was helpful to you. Yes - I found the reviews with 'technical specs' pointless too. Take care and say safe!
Thank you 💪🏼👍🏼 I watched the entire video. Cheers from California US. I will purchase the 2022 model.
Thanks mate. I hope you get many enjoyable rides on your '22!
@@amateurhour3966 I have had a few motorcycles but my 2013 Yamaha FZ6R was sitting for two years but I still had a chance to place 78,000 miles on it 😁💪🏼. This has been the onely bike that has peaked my interest with the combinations of what I like and how I like to ride.
How about another one of your update reviews with the top 10 best things about the Ninja1000SX.... (compared to the VFR if you like). Really like the way you ride and the roads look amazing. We are still in lockdown here in Scotland because of corona virus so enjoying your vids meantime. Thanks. Stay safe.
Hi Ivor. Great idea - we're still in lockdown too - but that won't stop me from considering the idea and preparing. Stay safe! :-)
Thanks mate. Hope you and the family all stay well. Take care.
Great review mate. Very professional and informative but never boring. I'm strongly considering getting a Njnja and you're video is very helpful. Cheers!
Hi N-Biker. Glad to hear that it's not boring - I was concerned with the length of time of the video, but so far it seems as though most people have enjoyed it. Glad that you found it very helpful. Good luck with your hunting!
Very well done!! The comments say it all!!👍👍👏👏👏 For someone who was a little too self critical on your first review, and considering a "radio presenter coarse" may I congratulate you on a very clearly presented, honest unbiased review, which put the "Professionals" to SHAME!!. No annoying overbearing background music!! No rushing through a reading from someone else's script. To clearly hear the engine/ exhaust sound, whilst being totally immersed in the ride experience, I felt as though I was riding pillion with you!! Let's hope this Lockdown doesn't drag on too long, or that any of the restrictions are allowed to remain in place after it's over. I get a gut feeling that this " Virus" is more LETHAL to people's freedoms and resetting the economy, whilst also dehumanising humanity, than it is " deadly" in other ways!! Many more people seem to be suffering from it's SIDE EFFECTS, than from it's SYMPTOMS?!! Stay Safe everyone!! Don't let the B@$+@!?£$ grind you down!!
Hi Michael. Wow - thanks so much for your encouraging feedback. So glad that the way I presented it was so immersive for you! I love music, but I'm aware it's very personal - what one person likes another dislikes. Plus - even though I miss the V4 sound - I'm beginning to enjoy the sound of the inline 4 more and more - and think it would be a shame not to have it in the background on the video. :-)
I completely agree with you that the virus's lethalness isn't just in physical health but also in other areas. Mental health, economy as well as changes to people's freedoms (some of which I have concerns will never be completely returned 100% when this is over). Stay safe, and thanks again for such encouragement!
Very good review. Kawasaki listened to people from the last bike. So good chance they will improve on some of the points you have mentioned. Nice looking bike aswell.
Thanks Adam. Yes - I think Kawasaki have done a great job at continuing to refine and listen to it's customers. Hopefully they'll continue. :-)
Great, thorough review (the aussie slang definitions were a riot!). Looks like a fun machine to tool around on. "Kinking" those bags like that definitely seems like a "style overrides function" type of choice. Great work and great edits as well!
Thanks for the feedback Genome. Glad you enjoyed our slang. :-) I miss that it's not used as much as when I was a kid actually....
Aw man, it's so nice to get someone giving a honest and indepth review without swearing every other word xD
Well done Sir, have my sub.
Thanks Steven! Appreciate the feedback. I'm hoping to do a 12 month update soon if I get the time as to what I've found along the way.
Great review! I have just ordered a 2020 to replace my 2019 Z1000SX. That was a great bike, but the improvements are noticeable, and (almost) worth the hit I took on depreciation. I have to agree the shape of the panniers makes them less useful. A Question: why did you change the tyres so early?
Hey @Alan Briggs. Can you do an "actual user" review after about 8-10 months of ownership? I'm ready to move up from my Yamaha FJ-09, but would like to see more user reviews.
Hi Alan. Thanks for the feedback. I would be VERY interested in hearing a review from you - being a previous Ninja owner. Interesting to hear that the improvements are worth it for you! Me coming from a VFR I fear that my review would be no where as informative as what yours would be.
In regards to the tires - I was supposed to go on a 5000km tour. I was told that the OEM tires aren't the same as after market (in that there's less rubber), and that they would wear out quicker. I didn't want to take the risk of wearing down my tires and not having good rubber left before the end of the trip (I'd wear through a set on my VFR on one of these trips - the majority of the riding along twisty sections the whole time) - and figured if I did that on my VFR with after markets, I could risk wearing down too much on the OEM's. I've kept them and can put them back on after these wear out - but that was the main reason.
@@amateurhour3966 I will try to remember to give you an update after I have had mine for a month. On my 19my I kept the oe tyres for about 1000 miles before changing them. My reason for the early change is that the reviews for oe tyres were universally bad. I was going on a 3000 mile trip and didn't want to do it on those tyres. Metzeler had a two-for-one deal at the time, so I changed.
Very well presented mate. Very thorough and honest. Thanks.
Thanks Andrew for the kind feedback!
Fantastic review, setting me up for a big buying decision. I noticed you reviewed the app on the app store too :)
Thanks Dan. Yep - hopefully a bit of feedback may get them to make some changes to that app!. :-) Good luck with your future purchase!
Brilliant, detailed observations. More convinced this will be my next bike. I have owned two VFRs in the past so have a similar perspective.
Thanks for the feedback - Glad it was helpful!
Coming in late here, but great video! Thank you. I will say, as someone who would almost certainly remove the stickers, I'm grateful that they're not painted over.
Yes - I'm thinking the same - just haven't done it yet - knowing that it's a irreversable decision. :-)
@@amateurhour3966 True! But I think it's definitely worth it. I removed the stickers on my 19 Ninja 650 and, personally, I think it looks much better.
Also, I forgot to say, thank you for your honesty in the video! Most reviews these days feel more like third-party marketing adds. I'm glad you went over both the good and the bad.
Great review very detailed and honest i have my ninja on order so your videos have been great entertainment whilst I await its delivery...keep up the great work
Thanks Kevin. Wish I could provide more entertainment, but I'm sure you're going to love yours when it arrives!
Hi finally got mine on May 2nd but lockdown in the uk meant I cant legally ride it, hope you dont mind me asking it looks like you have had the power socket fitted was that a factory fit or third party..... also after taking a back road trip out on a sunny warm day my heated grip on the left became loose in the heat !! Have you had any experiences with yours.. thanks in advance
11: Make the ride app auto connect on startup
12: Make it possible to push the telephone screen to the TFT in order to use google maps as navi
13: Put a sidestand warning light on the dash.
Hi Oscar - great suggestions. With any luck Kawasaki R&D might be looking through this to see ideas for their future. :-) (One can only hope).
@@amateurhour3966 Maybe take a closer look at Aprilia. They can do this for 5 years now.
I forgot...
14: Self cancelling indicators.
Hi Oscar. You're right - there are no self cancelling indicators on it! Great idea!
Great review I am also a VFR owner and have been awaiting a 1000cc version from Honda with no luck and have now been looking at the 1000sx.
Thanks Wayne. Hopefully this review is helpful to you from a VFR owners perspective. :-)
Honda definitely lagging behind. We need a new VFR and a skinny Crossrunner! :)
I also came from the VFR to Z1000SX. I am enjoying the bike quite a bit. I have found an issue that is repeatable and I don't like. I don't change the ride mode out of Sport so it may be a Sport mode issue only. When i do a hard roll-on to higher rpm's, as soon as I let off the throttle completely, the bike will start to decelerate but the throttle will blip to full throttle for just a moment and nearly throw me off the back of the bike. It then resumes a normal deceleration and everything is good. Wasn't ready the first time and it was a bad moment. Rode home and changed my underwear and then went on with my day. Wondered if you have experienced this. You mentioned the throttle during your cruise control discussion. Great review. Honest and well thought out.
hi Chris. Can't say that I've experienced that but will keep an eye out for it. I'm assuming yours is a older model? Z1000SX? The 2020 and beyond is an electronic throttle, so not sure if that makes any difference but I'll be keeping an eye out for that one.
The cruise control works on RPM, when your bike leans, the rpm will rise automatically because the size of the wheel becomes smaller. Hence the RPM goes up, and the cruise control softens up.
Hi Jurgen. Thanks for your comment. That would make a lot of sense - (I'll have to double check) - but I think with this model the cruise actually works on the speed itself. (It displays the speed it is set to against the cruise if you go 'off' that speed, and if I recall correctly - I was able to resume the cruise in a different gear and have it still reset back to the same speed - as opposed to the same RPM's). When it occurred it was sudden, not linear. (ie, I could go over a certain angle and it maintained speed, and then when I went a little further it changed significantly). I'll keep in mind what you've mentioned and see if I can find any more details. Have a great weekend!
Great review thanks .... mine arrives in a week or so .... may be garaged for a while but appreciate your review mate 👍
Ouch - I feel for you - having this beautiful new bike and not being able to ride it yet! Hope that you are able to get out on it soon!
Great review. Very informative. Looking at this bike when I come off my LAMS.
Thanks Jeff.
Going to get this bike in a couple weeks. Glad the stickers are not "lacquered" over. I plan on removing them as soon as I get the bike home.
Exciting stuff. I'd love to see a video of your bike with the stickers off once you get it! :-)
This review is sooooo dope !!!!! ... After watching this review, I will just keep riding my Ninja 650 at least for a while... Thank you !
As an old fart - I'm not sure if dope is good or bad. :-) Hopefully it was informative either way.
@@amateurhour3966 hahaha.. It means very good.. Thank you so much for the practical review. I was sooo about to upgrade to Ninja 1000SX, but I decided to keep my 650 for now upon watching your detailed & practical review.. Maybe next year... 🥰😍
Hey man, I believe your true qualities are your honesty and thoroughness, which are widely appreciated. I own the 2019 version myself. Regarding the cruise control, I believe the issues are caused because it's programmed to maintain the amount of rpm's (revs), rather than the speed itself. When you go uphill or lean in a corner the load on the engine changes (and the revolutions increase, thus the ECU wants to lower the revolutions per minute to "equal' the set amount). This would explain why your cruise control falters.
Hi Tommethjeuh1. Thanks very much for your kind remarks. Regarding the cruise - A good thought and it would explain it - however with what I've observed (if I recall correctly) - I believe I can resume in another gear and it still goes back to the same speed, not the same revs. Additionally it actually displays the speed that the cruise control is set on the screen. The question is whether it uses the abs sensor device for the speed from the front wheel, or gets it off the front sprocket. I'll double check when I get the chance again ton confirm when I get the chance.
Hi again Tommethjeuh!. Just an update. i took the bike out again last night for a short ride. I can confirm - cruise is based on speed and not rev's. (I set the cruise at 50kph, then changed down a gear. When I resumed cruise - it went back to 50kph, and matched on speed - not on the original rev's). Also - just a note with the cruise retarding - it actually drops the rev's after a certain lean angle. I'm not sure if it disengages completely and then resumes, or just retards (I haven't found a sweeper big enough to let it go completely). :-) I'll keep an eye on it and hopefully be able to post an updated short video on the cruise when I have it all figured out. Stay safe!
@@amateurhour3966 hmm, in that case, it will indeed be set on speed. But your speedometer calculates speed according to the revolutions of your wheel... The more your lean angle increases, the more you digress from the accuracy of the speedometer (the circumference of your wheel when upright is larger when at lean angle because of the shape of the tires). Your bike thus 'falsesly' detects a lower speed when leaning and probably that's why it shuts itself off
@@tommetjeuh1Thanks. That could well be the case. I would have expected that the experience would be more linear, and not as sudden as it was - but it could be a delay in calculations or something. I'm not sure of a practical way of testing whether or not it is due to tire radius or lean angle sensor - but I guess at the end of the day it doesn't matter - the effect is still the same. Thanks for your thoughts!
Great update and a very fair and balanced review. Happy the stickers aren’t lacquered as they’ll be the first thing I remove.
Hi John. Someone else has already done that, there's a youtube video of it. I'm also thinking the same thing myself too now. I know that it's a irreversible decision so I'm not jumping in, but I'd like to remove them and paint the front cowl the same black as the rest, leaving the silver stripe down the side. I think it'd look epic.
Nice reviews.... really useful info for real bikers.... think this might be my next bike.
Hi Ivor. Thanks - glad you found it informative!
Great review and wonderful riding choice of road. I found myself daydreaming and had to rewind a few times to hear your comments. haha..... It's been 4 yrs and I'm thinking of pulling the pin on a 2023 model with 4000kms on it, HOW DO you find the engine vibrations you noted near the end of the video. Again, great review. Cheers mate.
Good questions. I keep meaning to do a follow up video but time and priorities at the moment get in the way. lol. Engine vibrations I don't notice anymore. Whether it''s because I've gotten used to them, or they've died down to being like any other normal bike, I'm not entirely sure. I think it might be a factor of both. I'm fairly certain that they've died down significantly since first purchasing the bike. (I've got 28,000kms on it now). For me, no regrets on the purchase at all. I've got a mate who owns a European made bike from new (and paid a lot more for it)- and he's had numerous warranty issues and a factory recall on it. The Ninja in comparison had none. She's been solid right out of the gate! Hope this helps, and good luck with your decision!
@@amateurhour3966 definitely helps and appreciate your perspective. Going to test ride next week. Fingers crossed 😁 Thanks for the quick response. Cheers
Am Hour: Great review. Was looking to buy the 2018 model but decided against it when some reviewers mentioned the revised suspension dimensions causing the bike to "have a vague front end and having it drop" into corners. Dont know if this was the case, test rides of 40mins around suburban back streets dont reveal much about bikes. Ended up going with an MT10. After some were available to test at a track day i was attending. And i love it.
Great listing of various pros & cons. I tell you what more established YT reviewers like Mr Pulling could do worse than taking a few notes of your format.
Also what road is that youre riding along. Am assuming its in Vic? Looks fantastic.
Stay safe keep the content coming.
Thanks YY. I completely agree with you. I think the best thing manufacturers could do is have their new models available for a day hire - allow people to get out and spend a full day on it. (Charge hire rates or whatever). I'd gladly put a few hundred dollars down to spend a whole day or two to take a bike out where it counts and see what it's like after a full day's riding before committing. I can't help but think if a manufacturer did this - they'd get more sales - simply because the fear of 'whether the bike is good enough or not' would be gone. I suspect most modern day bikes would be great to ride given the time to get used to it - but alas we don't seem to have that option.
Hope you get much enjoyment and miles under your feet on your MT10! Great bike!
The road(s) in this video were in the Vic's alpine ranges. Omeo Highway (one of the all time fav's of mine), Great Alpine Way (Hotham) and Falls Creek.
@@amateurhour3966 Yeah just discovered the Omeo in April 2019. Im in Sydney so i rode it with some mates. Was that impressed with it, we went down it again during moto gp weekend the next october? I think. Must admit though both times ive ridden it there was barely any traffic, which makes it more enjoyable. Im not a fan of Dan Andrews but if hes the one responsible for the upkeep of your roads, well he cant be all that bad afterall. NSW roads are good but their surfaces can be a bit dodgy at times. Anyway all the best keep up the good work.
Great review. I have ridden my VFR for seven years and I now need to move on. So test ride on the Kawasaki this coming Wednesday arranged by Fowlers in Bristol (UK).
Glad to hear you liked the review. Enjoy your test ride on Wednesday! :-)
Actually I came across this video because I bought one today. I wish I watched this before I decided to get one. But even with these flaws I dont think I would have changed my mind. Didnt know there even was a centerstand as an optional but will definately look that up. Great review . Thanks from Sweden 👍
Hi Rickard. Congrat's on your purchase! Just to clarify - there is no centre stand as an option. I just wish that there was! (The centrestand is on the VFR which I have come from). I hope you have safe and enjoyable rides!
Well done video! I appreciate the honesty. The criticism seems as fair as the praise.
Thanks zero! I appreciate that!
New subscriber 😊
I have a Triumph Street Triple RS and looking to exchange that to the Ninja 1000SX soon. The RS is a bit too extreme for me.
Thanks for the extended video, loved it.
Cheers
Good luck with your decision making. Safe riding!
Some quirks, yeah. You are gonna love it. I've got the 2014 N1K sport/touring. 40k+ miles and still impressed. I also have a 2019 ZX-10R. I have had no major issues with either bike.
Rear tire myth. The rear spring is a little soft. I may upgrade mine. Get a sag meter and know where 35mm is on rear suspension when just you, w/passenger, loaded bags. Properly adjusted suspension is the answer, not a higher profile tire.
Thanks for the tips!
thank you ! Great Video. such an excellent and well balanced approach
Thanks - glad that you enjoyed it.
@@amateurhour3966 have you ridden the Yamaha FJR 1300? i was wondering how they compare if you have ridden it?
Fantastic video! Great feedback on everything...room for improvement but still an amazing bike and definitely still my top choice for when it comes time to get my tourer bike. I don’t know if I missed it, but still waiting on the pillion comfort feedback =)
Hi PIPE. You haven't missed it - I haven't had my wife on the back yet to give a review sorry. Unfortunately now with the lockdown - it will be some time before I get a chance to do that sorry.
AmateurHour no worries. Stay safe!
Very well done hands on review!
I have the 2022 version of that bike, although I don't think much has changed. I really love that bike, did now put on 10000kms on it in the first 9 months I owned it. And so far it's really great, especially for touring, did a two week trip around Norway with it and it was just smooth sailing. I agree with most of the issues you have, especially the heated grips. They work great, but the interface is just garbage. Also I found that the panniers and bags are not that big of an issue for me, yes they are a big compromise between looks and practicality, but once I got used to packing them it was no problem. For longer trips I also use an additional tank bag on the rear seat. Also seems like they did not really improve the Rideology app in the last two years, it's still garbage.
With cruise control, I basically never use it, I just don't know, in the car I use it all the time, but on the bike it feels weird, but then speed limits and speed traps are not that much of a problem here in Germany as they seem to be in Australia ;)
Thanks for your comments trustme. Funny you say that. I'm planning another trip in a weeks time (finally getting another big ride in on her) - and have settled for the tank bag on rear seat + pannier options. My biggest concern now is the phone holder. I've upgraded from an iPhone8 to a 14, and hear that there's issues with the camera getting damaged. Have purchased a quadlock dampner kit, but not sure I can fully trust it, so trying to work through my options with that now. As for the cruise, yeah - our government sold all their methods of making money (telco, elecricity, privatising roads, etc) - so their only option with raising revenue now is taxes and fines - and they're making the most of what they can unfortunately. Exceeding by as little as 2mph can cost us nearly $200, so the cruise is a wallet saver here for sure. Thanks for the reply!
I just subscribed. Thanks for such a detailed review. Do you plan to add an aftermarket windshield?
Thanks Danijel. Yes - I do plan on looking into a replacement windshield, howvever I'm holding off any new purchases at this stage until lthings stable down with this COVID lockdown and I know how much cash (if any) I have remaining to put towards such things.
@@amateurhour3966 Understandably, sure. Hope you can comment when you will have one installed. Stay safe.
Thank your for a fantastic review. Best one I’ve seen thus far on this bike. One question, I am considering this bike and CB1000R+. I know they are quite different bikes but any feedback you may have will be appreciated. Thank you.
Hi Pedrum. Thanks for your feedback. I would love to be able to help but I know absolutely nothing about the CB1000R+. I wouldn't know one if it passed me on the street, so I'm unfortunately the last person to be asking. ;-) Good luck with your search and decision making.
AmateurHour thank you. I’ll keep you posted on my decision.
Getting back into biking after nearly 20 yrs and having a big off which put me off riding. Next year I want to get myself a small bike to get my riding skills back then I want a tourer for me and the Wife to travel on and this bike looks the right tool for the job, thanks for the review and helping me make my decision.
You're welcome Kenny. A possible cost saving option for you - buy the 1K, and run it in 'rain' mode to get your riding skills back. Save you buying two bikes. ;-)
Ah the Omeo Hwy, one of the best roads in Oz. Thanks for a great review
Glad you enjoyed it. And yes... definitely one of the best roads in Oz. :-)
I too have one of these and have noticed the same slow down when cornering on cruise control, I have actually put this down to the cruise maintaining the same rpm as opposed to the same speed and when you lean the tyre has a smaller diameter on the side and therefore speed will reduce. Haven't done the math but it is what it feels like to me. Falls creek rd is one of my favorites too. nice accurate review.
Thanks Dave. With the cruise - I wasn't in the corner long enough to see if it stablised at alower speed, or whether it continued to reduce. I wondered if it may have been a sensor safety thing to stop it if it thought the bike was 'going over' but either way - it's good to have confirmation that it's definitely happening and not my imagination. :) Falls creed Rd - hanging out to get back up there!
I did hear that the reason that they don't allow panniers and a top box at the same time is because when the shortened the steering rake angle to sort out the steering they made it less stable at high speed and the concern is that having both pannier and a top box affected the air-flow over the bike and could make it unstable. Dunno if it's true but a sports tourer that can't take a top box and panniers is very poor. Also the panniers and top box are re-badged Givi units I believe.
Hi Tom. I've just completed a 3,300km week with the panniers and a after market tail bag. Didn't have any problems at all with the handling of it. I did 'hear' that it had to do with stability or structural integrity at high speeds (aka, over 100mph). But that's unconfirmed web rumors.
great review. thanks mate. what brand is your tail bag? looks nice
Cheers. I believe that tailbag is a Ventura. I have sinced purchased a larger one however.
The reason the cruise slowed down in corners is when you lean, the rolling radius of the wheel gets smaller, so the wheel turns faster for a constant speed, so the bike thinks you sped up, and begins to slow down.
Thanks horus909. Others have suggested this, but the change is actually sudden. You can go over so far with no change, and then it's a distinct lowering with the throttle. I hope once the COVID is lifted to be able to record a demonstration - and put it up for others to evaluate as from what I felt it seems to be more than just the tire radius - but I could be completely off the mark and you might be right. Thanks for the tip!
Thank you so much for your two videos. I too am now a proud owner of a sx and am still delighted. Only small gripes would be vibes (coming from a twin) and less wind protection than I expected from the touring screen. Two years on, do you have any other comments to share?
Hi Gavin. Yes - I would like to get a touring windshield as well. There's not much more to comment on at this stage. I've had the 'bleep' of the cruise control happen a couple more times since which is a bit disconcerting, but apart from that it's been pretty smooth and enjoyable. I hope you enjoy many more k's under your belt on your new
Great review! here in India it is least costly inline 4 1000cc bike and therefore a popular choice.
Thanks Arvind! Appreciate the feedback! And yes - it's a lot of bike for the price! :-)
Beautiful review which has covered almost all aspects of Motorcycle and It's indication the experience/ expectations someone upgrading from Honda to A Kawasaki, Probably every Honda owner thinks That it is last line in The Motorcycle world, Well probably that may be case But Kawasaki always provided new technological breakthrough,I always loved Kawasaki as it is remain underrated. Anyway Superb hill roads. Good riding though very Restrained (any speed limit restriction). Looking forward for more riding review.
Hi Rajesh. Thanks for the feedback. It was hard to switch from Honda to Kawasaki - but in all honesty - I feel that Honda have let the team down for a while. The VFR's (especially the earlier ones) were plagued with electronic / wiring issues - the engine over engineered, but the wiring underso - and it surprised me how many years this went on for - instead of addressing so quickly. I feel with Kawasaki's shorter 'turn around' from generation to generation (What was the 6th Gen VFR - 7 years?) - they address issues faster. I haven't heard of any known issues in their more recent models - which is really a credit to them!
As for the speed limits - yes - they are restricted. The pace wasn't too bad on one of the roads - but the angle of the camera is a bit deceiving. I'm also not a BLAT rider (Brake late and turn), and prefer smoother riding, whilst keeping corner speeds up - especially on the public roads.
@@amateurhour3966 great to note, Anyway it's law of average I guess caught with them, Before coming back hard. Till such time enjoy Kawasaki. Meanwhile your service experience may be as good as the Motorcycle itself. Again beautiful winding road. Take care and looking fwd for more touring video.
Great review. Just rode one very quickly today. Have a 2017 V-Strom 650XT which I bought around a month ago to try adventure riding which I have found is not my thing. Now going the sports tourer option which I had been considering. Have a 2020 Street Triple RS and the Ninja will be perfect as my other bike. Just need to decide on colour! Like yours and there is one sitting in the showroom as well as two black and a 2021 green just waiting on a decision.
Good luck with your choice. I'm a black fan myself. I haven't actually checked out the 2021 color schemes. Will have to take a look