"The Inquisition did what the Inquisition does best, Escalate!" Their fundamental problem as an organization in a nut shell. Inquisitors always have the tools and authority for escalation, so it is plan A even when they really should try for subtilty or persuasion first. Luckily the galaxy is so awful they normally have a point.
That's how the stupid ones with no responsibility act. Inquisitor lords and smart ones know that one wrong step leads to the mechanicus, administratum and military cutting them off from the resources they need to get shit done.
See that's the hard part, a situation like Vraks could easily be a problem of over escalation, but in the lead up it probably would have been better for the Hereticus to escalate sooner and take out the Cardinal before he got dug in, or once he was deploy an Eversor. It's a careful balance especially when you don't fully know how dire the situation is. The Mechanicus may scream at the loss of a productive mining world supporting a forge world, but a delay could mean loss or corruption of the entire forge world.
The Grey Knights should have just told the Inquisitor to Fuck off and left. They may be a chamber militant of the Ordo Malleus but they are not the Inquisition's Lap Dogs and are still Space Marines and would be well within their rights to do so, especially to an Inquisitor that isn't even apart of the Ordo Malleus.
@@cnlbenmc Telling an Inquisitor to "fuck off" can be very hazardous action for a Space Marine chapter, even as vaunted as the Grey Knight. There must be an Inquisitor out there who is so full of himself, so as to option declaring them Excomunicate Traitoris, just because they wounded his ego, or else, try to cut them off from behind the scenes, like in Badaab.
Eldar diplomacy is taking a sterotype to a whole new level like treating humanity as if they are the Ork-like Mon'keigh. They think human diplomacy is violence.
@@cryptosporidium1375 I mean...considering how often the Imperium chooses violence with anything not human...and things human, they're not that far off.
I dunno. His entire being is corrupted. His heart shard was missing and filled with a little gift from the great deceiver... not sure there can even be redemption for someone as corrupted as Magnus... I would bet my money on Ahriman breaking free of Tzeentch before Magnus.
@@MrFallenone Bruvus made me love Magnus and wish he was a good dude. Because the way he is portrayed as I have seen thus far is a man of the mind whose thirst for knowledge, curiosity, and recognition from Golden Daddy lead him to take actions before thinking. Ironic. He needs a hug and a cup of cocoa... As well as some more humanity
That’s always been something I never got about the plan to banish chaos... Big E wanted to do it by destroying all religion and worship, all “veneration” of deities that certain elements of human nature are attributed to, but we have seen multiple times that the Chaos gods don’t actually need worship or veneration. They can and do feed off acts and emotions that don’t have any kind spiritual or religious elements to them. Also I just find it funny that this entire plan seems to imply Big E(or the people writing Warhammer) think only in religions are things worshiped and venerated. Because let’s be honest, there are a lot of things that we don’t categorize as religions that people pour a lot of “emotions” into.
Yeah I've actually talked about this with my friends alot. Big E was esentslly destroying the natural bulwark humanity had built up against chaos. By destroying these belief systems he not only set humanity back culturally by thousands of years but he also destroyed any competition that the chaos gods would have had.
@@BlueSatoshi Well put, because of the Universal laws of the Warhammer 40k Universe their will always be Chaos gods and not to mention the fact that there are potentially multiple galaxies outside of Terra’s that contain life, the Tyrannids are undeniable proof of that. Meaning their are potentially an infinite number of chaos gods as such it is not possible to destroy chaos only stave it off. The only thing you could theoretically do would be to force the eye of terror back into the imaterium yes with certain weapons you could permanently kill a chaos god, BUT given the strongest chaos gods are simply the representation of base level emotions another god, with enough time, would be created. Even in theory there will never be nor could be a victory over a basic law of the Universe.
@@blanetamez532 Well, regarding the Tyranids, there's always that theory that they were a last ditch effort by the Old Ones at neutralizing the Warp (besides the Orks). Basically their take on the Forerunners' Halo Array. Can't have Chaos gods if everyone's dead.
Arch, why, when discussing ways of beating Chaos, do you never mention the fact that a technological solution is provably possible? The Necrons show that with enough time you can figure out how to turn off the Warp.
There is a story of the little hooded figures in Blood Angel Rock fortress who scare even greater demons away. They gave a warning that chaos can be fought but never defeated. The necrons can indeed close off the warp with enough time, but can expect a lot of things to go crazy since most are connected to the warp as NateMcBrady mentioned.
Not exactly Akuinator. The Nekrons had almost no presence (if any) in the Warp in the first place, probably less than the average Tau. And the price they paid was... significant; they lost their souls, their individuality, their sanity, their culture, everything. They are no longer "Necrontyr", just robots with an AI that is so buggy it often begs to just be put out of its misery. Now, you are quite possibly referring to the Necron Pylons in Cadia (NEVER FALLS). But even that... wasn't really what you might think it was. For starters; it only stopped the further opening of the Eye of Terror, they didn't reduce it and, most importantly, they were powerless against daemons. If anything, I think they were not technological so much as they housed a small part of C'tan power. Maybe not in the form of a shard (as they were apparently constructed before the C'tan were shattered), but possibly some form of energy source that they channeled and recycled. So, not wholly technological, but more an arcano-tech that was too unique to be replicated (after all; the Imperium has no one that can stop the Warp outside The Emprah and he... can't do much right now). And that's, of course, without counting on the possibility of a technology-based Chaos God appearing. Which again assumes that such an aspect doesn't already fall under Tzeentch's portfolio, in which case, such tech will NEVER be discovered.
The knights errant are, in my opinion, one of the greatest parts of the Horus heresy novels. Especially considering the fact that nearly half the bastards were loyalist marines from traitor legions. Garviel Loken, Nathaniel Garro, fairly certain the Lotalist world eater turned black shield Endryd Haar (also known as the “Riven Hound”) was a member as well. The stories of the loyalist sons of traitor fathers is both heartbreaking and moving in the extreme and reading of how these marines worked and fought to redeem their legions was a true privilege. If nothing else, the Horus heresy series and the siege of terra books do them honor.
On the subject of Fulgrim, I think they might of retconned that in some book or maybe in some codex that a perfect clone of Fulgrim with his actual soul was created by Fabous Bile. He of course traded the Fulgrim copy to Trayzen for 18000 perfectly preserved emperor’s children gene seed so I doubt anything will come of it.
I really dig how the wolves baited Angron into another "Rus talks to Angron" moment, except this time the ones doing the talking were the Grey Knights. And then the saga ends with an assault on a previously friendly command ship, where Logan Grimnar does what Rus just emotionally could not and decapitates the enemy commander, regardless of relationships. Grimnar is the Wolf King, and I think he is criminally underused in stories.
I think a “redemption” arch for the Alpha legion, if done correctly, would be very cool. Especially if they appear during a super dark time where it really looks like chaos is winning right before the emperor dies.
There would need to be an Alpha Legion Civil War first and more probably a schism between a Loyalist and Traitor faction as there's gonna still be someone who clings to that Cabal BS theory that "Humanity Must Die to kill Chaos".
@@cnlbenmc What if part of what the emperor knew was that the heresay was going to happen so he CREATED the alpha legion to be the infiltration legion meant to work with chaos but in the END betray them for the imperium.? From my knowledge that is a very plausible outcome…
@@cnlbenmc For primarchs i don't know why the twins even thought this was a good idea without question to begin with. It's like saying to prevent sharks you need to drain all oceans. Even if they did kill all humans chaos is constant - it will always exist in one form or another.
During the siege of Terra, as the Fists are trying to repel the World Eaters and Guilliman is getting wrecked by Angron, Abbadon suddenly shouts "Hydra Dominatus, for the Emperor!" and a dozen chaos marines just jump on Fulgrim and tear him to pieces.
@@cnlbenmc Which is stupid and demonstrably WRONG. Exhibit A: ELDAR Have Khornite Warriors and a greater Deamon of Khorne. And fucked Slanesh into existence.
Wasn't there an incident with the Sisters of Battle? Something about taking their pure blood to ward off Daemons of something? I remember Matt Ward coming up with that nonsense
Matt Ward please come back. At least your overpowered nonsense was just supposed to be cool instead of being a cynical move to make all Space Marine players' armies obsolete so that they re-buy them!
@@HTWW god it’s one of my favorite HH books and makes the why does big e fuck up shit make sense finally by going, well yeah he can see the future but not how to get there. Was perfect
*I am the Hammer. I am the sword in His hand. I am the gauntlet about His fist. I am the bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous. I am the End.*
Love these things Arch. I'm glad you still do this for the fans despite the company's crappy behavior. some thoughts - for psybolts, don't forget the short story where they are also bleesed in the blood of innocents to get them that extra oomph. If you do a follow up video on the grey knights, please keep in mind Justicar Anval Thawn. That guy won me a tournament. Just wanted his legend to continue :P
The Grey Knights, the reason why I started this hobby. The Grey Knights, some of the best stories in the lore and yet, so completely under represented on the table top. These marines could be put in any story role from horror to detective.
To be fair, in the Siege of the Fenris system, the Grey Knights were working with the Space Wolves and the Dark Angels were tricked by a Changeling all Balthazar Gelt style.
@@strangerlucky5753 End Times lore. Balthazar Gelt in Warhammer Fantasy was tricked into using Necromancy by a Chaos Changeling, marking him as a heretic and causing the Great Bastion against Chaos to gradually fail as the Cult of Sigmar turned from Gelt's creation.
GAWD DAAAAMN That's a 1 hour + video Arch - make more of these!!! I use these to do my cardio - it's amazing how quick an hour can go by when it's you.
Don't fustigate yourself so much Arch. The war for Armageddon serie is still great to listen to this day (well I listen to it last month but the point still stand)
Still waiting for the video on the months of shame. The sight of Logan Grimnar curb stomping an army of grey knight terminators near single handily is quite possibly the most satisfying thing I’ve ever heard. And I would love Arch’s take on the event.
He is running out of cool big lore, small lore is fine imo but he has covered everything s+ tier when it comes to big events. Now he is left with kinda meh lore like "superer super soldiers"
Imagine if the space wolves were declared traitors to the imperium. That would be fucking weird. Obviously the space wolves would still fight for the humanity and the emperor discreetly. I'm also sure multiple space marine chapters would disagree with it and join the space wolves.
There is a reason the inqistion prefer to keep this quiet. Space wolves have a lot of pull. Declaring them traitiors without losing vast amount of space marine chapters is difficult. Same thing with most founding chapters. It is going to take something so heretical that even there fellow space marines would hate them before you can declare a founding chapter traitors.
Great Video, please do one on Imperial Commisars, I would like to know how their command structure intersects with the Astra Militarum's, who can they take orders from, what's the process in which they can take command from an Imperial Guard officer, etc
58:59, for info Hyperion, real name is Zael Efferati, yeah the kid that appear in Ravenor novel, basicly he is a psychic mirror, if a telephath is around he can be a telepath to. I kinda like the character.
Great video, good job, once again ARCH beat the GW AGAIN, thanks ARCH. Can you talk about the ships in 40k? How big are they, how much people can even fit in them, how fast they can go, how much firepower they can wield, ranging for the Empire of man, elder, necroms, tyrinds, to the demons, hell even the orcs. Ectra, ectra, ectra, ectrahh, ectrahh, you got the point. Can you please talk about this? On next content?
Yep well with the primaries becoming more and more of a thing it's kind of like the Star wars thing where the prequels really that bad now that you have something to compare it to lol
If 10 grey nights are the equivalent of a company of marines , just think Russ needed those silent sisters or the space wolves would have been decimated !
You reffering to the Burning of Prospero? He also had Custodes there... Who did nothing about the clear violation of Emperors orders by the Space Wolves... but thats a plot hole we rather not open.
I think you've provided one of the literal ONLY examples/opinions on the Emperor not telling his sons about the Gods as an act of kindness, rather than one of stupidity, rock on Ratman.
It would be interesting to see a video about the way the background has changed from edition to edition. Back in the old Realm of Chaos books, the Grey Knights were entirely non-psychic for example.
I wonder how long it takes the engravers and master metal crafters to add all that detail to the armor ? It must take a small army decades to finish each piece !
He's stuck in a loop killing his clone. when he's in his right mind chaos free he cries over what he has done. so much to work with GW... yet they let it fall to the floor every fucking time.
This devistated me. The Fulgrim soul in the painting found by loyal clone Fulgrim.....and somehow reabsorbed into him....🥲 the Phoenix could have risen from the ashes. And fought the Daemon Primarch.
@@HorusLupercal90 Much as we talk about wanting a redemption arc to balance the universe we'll need a 'good guy' falling to being a traitor or stumble into chaos *cough*Lion'el*cough* ... second thought maybe its best to let sleeping dogs lie. lol
Going by the book "watchers of the throne: the emperor's legion". Blanks like the sisters of silence nerf their psychic powers and slow them down a bit. At least that's how I remember it.
@@LethargicGM I could already guess that part, I'm talking about how they would react; Would they horrified that blanks exist or would they see blanks as the invaluable recourse they(blanks) are?
@@mikemerchant9242 I seem to recall they do work together time to time with most horrid enemies knights cant handle by them selfs, or least handle transport. Essentially sisters are primary way to keep A class psychers at bay, while grayknights are following closely, ready to turn the ship into slag, and to be ou shit hit the fan insurance option.
@@mikemerchant9242 As powerful psykers, they would be horrified, disgusted, etc. by the abominations and likely couldn't handle being near them. As disciplined soldiers, they would see the blanks as the powerful tool against enemies connected to the warp that they are.
Hey Arch, if you're ever thinking of looking into other sci-fi universe's lore again, maybe you should do a video on the Xeelee Sequence books? If only because it's a sci-fi universe that is even more grimdark and extreme in scale then WH40K, except it's all backed by hard sci-fi rather then space fantasy. At least you'll be able to say "See? The Imperium isn't so bad after all!"
Fantastic video as usual. One of my favorite chapters and some of the coolest backstory. Also, can’t thank Arch enough for deriding that absolute pile of horse manure known as the “ThE bEaSt ArIsEs”.
Nah, they sit on the shelf with the Custodians fine the way they are. Primaris marines already commented on this fact when working with the grey knights. They were all huddled in a corner of the ship getting ready for battle with a 'GrEY KNIGHTS ONLY' sign basically. Primes were like "Brother, did you notice that there are NO PRIMARIS in their number?" "Yeah.. odd" Source: Guilliman's plague war trilogy.
According to Alphabusa Draigo isn’t corrupted just a bit crazy. "Greeterlings. That is a good-looking beard you have there sir! I too have a beard. It is full of tiny men. Please... KILL THEM ALL!!"
I always love a new Arch lore video, every view feels like tasting a good year in wine and the lore videos age as such. Personal favourite is the Vraks series but hope Arch and anyone who sees this a healthy day
Love your style of portraying this deep universe Arch :) I have to ask though, why does a chapter made entirely from librarian level psykers even bother with a librarius?
Because when all of your boys are on the level of a normal librarian, the guys who are expected to specialize in that shit have to be even better to justify their job titles
"The Inquisition did what the Inquisition does best, Escalate!" Their fundamental problem as an organization in a nut shell. Inquisitors always have the tools and authority for escalation, so it is plan A even when they really should try for subtilty or persuasion first. Luckily the galaxy is so awful they normally have a point.
There are very few problems in 40K that cannot be solved by reducing everything in the sector to ash and dust, then stamp a gothic I on it.
vraks
If escalation doesn't fix the problem that means you didn't escalate far enough.
That's how the stupid ones with no responsibility act.
Inquisitor lords and smart ones know that one wrong step leads to the mechanicus, administratum and military cutting them off from the resources they need to get shit done.
See that's the hard part, a situation like Vraks could easily be a problem of over escalation, but in the lead up it probably would have been better for the Hereticus to escalate sooner and take out the Cardinal before he got dug in, or once he was deploy an Eversor. It's a careful balance especially when you don't fully know how dire the situation is. The Mechanicus may scream at the loss of a productive mining world supporting a forge world, but a delay could mean loss or corruption of the entire forge world.
"The Inquisition invading and attacking Fenris" an example of eldar type of diplomacy
And failing, say what you want about the Corgies but they are right proper killers.
The Grey Knights should have just told the Inquisitor to Fuck off and left. They may be a chamber militant of the Ordo Malleus but they are not the Inquisition's Lap Dogs and are still Space Marines and would be well within their rights to do so, especially to an Inquisitor that isn't even apart of the Ordo Malleus.
@@cnlbenmc Telling an Inquisitor to "fuck off" can be very hazardous action for a Space Marine chapter, even as vaunted as the Grey Knight. There must be an Inquisitor out there who is so full of himself, so as to option declaring them Excomunicate Traitoris, just because they wounded his ego, or else, try to cut them off from behind the scenes, like in Badaab.
Eldar diplomacy is taking a sterotype to a whole new level like treating humanity as if they are the Ork-like Mon'keigh. They think human diplomacy is violence.
@@cryptosporidium1375 I mean...considering how often the Imperium chooses violence with anything not human...and things human, they're not that far off.
Magnus Redemption Arc?
"R-reclaim my soul from Tzeentch? That's impossible!"
"JUST FUCKING WATCH ME."
I dunno. His entire being is corrupted. His heart shard was missing and filled with a little gift from the great deceiver... not sure there can even be redemption for someone as corrupted as Magnus... I would bet my money on Ahriman breaking free of Tzeentch before Magnus.
@@MrFallenone false. Not his entire being. The shard used to make Janus is his humanity. Pure and safe within Janus.
@@owlsayssouth Yeah ... it is as much HIM as your heart is you...
MY HEAD HAS NIPPLES ON THEM!!
@@MrFallenone Bruvus made me love Magnus and wish he was a good dude. Because the way he is portrayed as I have seen thus far is a man of the mind whose thirst for knowledge, curiosity, and recognition from Golden Daddy lead him to take actions before thinking. Ironic. He needs a hug and a cup of cocoa... As well as some more humanity
*sees title*
Ah, grey knights lore *and* shade thrown at Matt Ward. Excellent.
Wait, if he's shitting on Ward, how did he keep the video under 3 hrs?
"The right decisions are always the hardest"
Thanks Arch....you rekindled my love for the Grey Knights...
Grey knights a chapter that could be the coolest if the inquisition would just let them be demon hunters
That's why the Inquisition does not give them any freedom, they ae scared they will be too good at their job.
Hunt demons? They couldn't even handle space wolves without getting slapped around like unruly children.
@@619soysauce they have a easier time killing demons than space werewolf's
@@jamesfreeman3617 I do suppose I'd rather fight a demon than a spwcewolf too
No they are the lamest most mary sue creations of matt ward.
That’s always been something I never got about the plan to banish chaos... Big E wanted to do it by destroying all religion and worship, all “veneration” of deities that certain elements of human nature are attributed to, but we have seen multiple times that the Chaos gods don’t actually need worship or veneration. They can and do feed off acts and emotions that don’t have any kind spiritual or religious elements to them.
Also I just find it funny that this entire plan seems to imply Big E(or the people writing Warhammer) think only in religions are things worshiped and venerated. Because let’s be honest, there are a lot of things that we don’t categorize as religions that people pour a lot of “emotions” into.
Yeah I've actually talked about this with my friends alot.
Big E was esentslly destroying the natural bulwark humanity had built up against chaos. By destroying these belief systems he not only set humanity back culturally by thousands of years but he also destroyed any competition that the chaos gods would have had.
He was basically well on his way to creating a Chaos god of Unbelief, or Atheism.
Probably why they call him Anathema.
@@BlueSatoshi Well put, because of the Universal laws of the Warhammer 40k Universe their will always be Chaos gods and not to mention the fact that there are potentially multiple galaxies outside of Terra’s that contain life, the Tyrannids are undeniable proof of that. Meaning their are potentially an infinite number of chaos gods as such it is not possible to destroy chaos only stave it off. The only thing you could theoretically do would be to force the eye of terror back into the imaterium yes with certain weapons you could permanently kill a chaos god, BUT given the strongest chaos gods are simply the representation of base level emotions another god, with enough time, would be created. Even in theory there will never be nor could be a victory over a basic law of the Universe.
And now I'm imagining a chaos god of anime waifus......
@@blanetamez532 Well, regarding the Tyranids, there's always that theory that they were a last ditch effort by the Old Ones at neutralizing the Warp (besides the Orks). Basically their take on the Forerunners' Halo Array.
Can't have Chaos gods if everyone's dead.
YESSSSS ANOTHER HOUR LONG ARCH VIDEO ON ONE OF THE INQUISITION'S BESTEST LADS
other than the grey knights and that inquisitor who "discovered" the tyranids...are there any good people in the inquisition?
Arch, why, when discussing ways of beating Chaos, do you never mention the fact that a technological solution is provably possible? The Necrons show that with enough time you can figure out how to turn off the Warp.
That might have unintended consequences for mankind since we’re linked to the Warp
well they more seam to be more able to turn off Chaos than the Warp proper.
@@asaenvolk The warp IS chaos, and chaos IS the warp. There’s no “unfucking” the Warp since the War In Heaven and the Birth Of Slaanesh
There is a story of the little hooded figures in Blood Angel Rock fortress who scare even greater demons away. They gave a warning that chaos can be fought but never defeated. The necrons can indeed close off the warp with enough time, but can expect a lot of things to go crazy since most are connected to the warp as NateMcBrady mentioned.
Not exactly Akuinator. The Nekrons had almost no presence (if any) in the Warp in the first place, probably less than the average Tau. And the price they paid was... significant; they lost their souls, their individuality, their sanity, their culture, everything. They are no longer "Necrontyr", just robots with an AI that is so buggy it often begs to just be put out of its misery. Now, you are quite possibly referring to the Necron Pylons in Cadia (NEVER FALLS). But even that... wasn't really what you might think it was. For starters; it only stopped the further opening of the Eye of Terror, they didn't reduce it and, most importantly, they were powerless against daemons. If anything, I think they were not technological so much as they housed a small part of C'tan power. Maybe not in the form of a shard (as they were apparently constructed before the C'tan were shattered), but possibly some form of energy source that they channeled and recycled. So, not wholly technological, but more an arcano-tech that was too unique to be replicated (after all; the Imperium has no one that can stop the Warp outside The Emprah and he... can't do much right now).
And that's, of course, without counting on the possibility of a technology-based Chaos God appearing. Which again assumes that such an aspect doesn't already fall under Tzeentch's portfolio, in which case, such tech will NEVER be discovered.
The knights errant are, in my opinion, one of the greatest parts of the Horus heresy novels. Especially considering the fact that nearly half the bastards were loyalist marines from traitor legions. Garviel Loken, Nathaniel Garro, fairly certain the Lotalist world eater turned black shield Endryd Haar (also known as the “Riven Hound”) was a member as well. The stories of the loyalist sons of traitor fathers is both heartbreaking and moving in the extreme and reading of how these marines worked and fought to redeem their legions was a true privilege. If nothing else, the Horus heresy series and the siege of terra books do them honor.
On the subject of Fulgrim, I think they might of retconned that in some book or maybe in some codex that a perfect clone of Fulgrim with his actual soul was created by Fabous Bile. He of course traded the Fulgrim copy to Trayzen for 18000 perfectly preserved emperor’s children gene seed so I doubt anything will come of it.
18 chapters worth? Damn, he really can get whatever he wants.
Fabius will probably waste half of it on “superer super soldiers” because he is not named Cawl.
[Mentions Magnus]
Me immediately: "MUST BE THAT SHITSQUID TZEENTCH AGAIN"
(Mentions anything in 40k)
MUST BE THAT SHITSQUID TZEENTCH AGAIN
Yeah I remember that Armageddon series. My favorite part was when you narrated the blood angels descent with drop pods.
'but even on the darkest of days...'
*Screen fades to black*
'THE EMPEROR PROTECTS'.
Yeah, man. Mine as well.
Pure chills every time!
I occasionally come back to those Armageddon videos. I love how it feels like your watching a brilliant WW2 battle break down.
That was good
Yea while i go to arch mostly for offthecuff lore that was beautiful.
I love the story of Ianus being the first Grand Master. It makes the noblest aspect of Magnus as one of the founders of the Grey Knights.
I really dig how the wolves baited Angron into another "Rus talks to Angron" moment, except this time the ones doing the talking were the Grey Knights.
And then the saga ends with an assault on a previously friendly command ship, where Logan Grimnar does what Rus just emotionally could not and decapitates the enemy commander, regardless of relationships.
Grimnar is the Wolf King, and I think he is criminally underused in stories.
I think a “redemption” arch for the Alpha legion, if done correctly, would be very cool. Especially if they appear during a super dark time where it really looks like chaos is winning right before the emperor dies.
There would need to be an Alpha Legion Civil War first and more probably a schism between a Loyalist and Traitor faction as there's gonna still be someone who clings to that Cabal BS theory that "Humanity Must Die to kill Chaos".
@@cnlbenmc What if part of what the emperor knew was that the heresay was going to happen so he CREATED the alpha legion to be the infiltration legion meant to work with chaos but in the END betray them for the imperium.? From my knowledge that is a very plausible outcome…
@@cnlbenmc For primarchs i don't know why the twins even thought this was a good idea without question to begin with. It's like saying to prevent sharks you need to drain all oceans. Even if they did kill all humans chaos is constant - it will always exist in one form or another.
During the siege of Terra, as the Fists are trying to repel the World Eaters and Guilliman is getting wrecked by Angron, Abbadon suddenly shouts "Hydra Dominatus, for the Emperor!" and a dozen chaos marines just jump on Fulgrim and tear him to pieces.
@@cnlbenmc Which is stupid and demonstrably WRONG.
Exhibit A: ELDAR
Have Khornite Warriors and a greater Deamon of Khorne.
And fucked Slanesh into existence.
An incorruptible warrior waging an endless war against the forces of Hell on their own soil. Why does that sound familiar?
I don't know what you are talking about, the Grey Knights actually need to work together to massacre daemons.
@@robertnelson9599 *cough* Kaldor Draigo *wheeze*
Good Ol' Doom Marine
*Rip and tear starts playing*
The Only Thing They Fear Is You intensifies
Wasn't there an incident with the Sisters of Battle? Something about taking their pure blood to ward off Daemons of something?
I remember Matt Ward coming up with that nonsense
5th edition codex if I am not mistaken
Yeah Grey Knights covered themselves in SoB blood
They retconned it because it was so ridiculous, unfortunately the Warhammer fanbase remembers such things like a dwarf remembers his grudges.
@@robertnelson9599 Still better lore than primaris marines
@@viorp5267 fucking Cawl
Holy emperor!! A hour long lore video!!! We are truly blessed
"Ordo Draigo present. WE WILL PROVIDE THE HAMS!" - Kaldor Draigo
Matt Ward please come back. At least your overpowered nonsense was just supposed to be cool instead of being a cynical move to make all Space Marine players' armies obsolete so that they re-buy them!
39:30 : "Radius..... Yesssssss" LMAO, Arch. Was perfect!
"Have you ever eaten... A tangerine? 🍊"
Imperial Citizen sees* a Grey Knight
Grey Knight: You have seen too much!
Also Grey Knight: "So you have chosen death... 😤"
Arch, you forgot their most ancient battle cry, “Bustin makes me feel good!”.
Arch are you in danger? You said you would never do this, blink twice if your being held hostage!
Ah the second most plot armory chapter in 40k after the space Spartans
AT least they have psychic powers and ancient Dark Age crap to explain themsleves, unlike a certain chapter of Roman Blueberries.
Well, either of them are full of bull.
I’m okay with plot armor protecting my boyz
The Adeptus Custodes would like to petition for some plot armor back. We lost 1/5 of the lot os us to some bloodletters....very embarrassing.
True. 40k is full of plot armor. Because it makes more money than proper storytelling. Gw knows this very well.
Still stumps me how ADB, set in his heretical ways, managed to write them so well in 'Emperor's Gift'.
That's only because they're THAT awesome.
Even a Chaos lover can hate the one force that daemons are scared of.
He also wrote master of mankind remarkablely well tio
@@alexpaul4144 yes, that was also him. And the whole 'In the sunless realm sun rose at last' bit was outstandingly well-written.
@@HTWW god it’s one of my favorite HH books and makes the why does big e fuck up shit make sense finally by going, well yeah he can see the future but not how to get there. Was perfect
Lord Arch let the Emperor in his grace continue to bless you for this effort. It is what I was waiting for years now. THANK YOU SO MUCH. F..K YEAH.
*I am the Hammer. I am the sword in His hand. I am the gauntlet about His fist. I am the bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous. I am the End.*
Love these things Arch. I'm glad you still do this for the fans despite the company's crappy behavior.
some thoughts - for psybolts, don't forget the short story where they are also bleesed in the blood of innocents to get them that extra oomph.
If you do a follow up video on the grey knights, please keep in mind Justicar Anval Thawn. That guy won me a tournament. Just wanted his legend to continue :P
The Grey Knights, the reason why I started this hobby. The Grey Knights, some of the best stories in the lore and yet, so completely under represented on the table top. These marines could be put in any story role from horror to detective.
BY THE EMPEROR.
PRAISE THE ARCH, FOR IT IS GREAT AND GOOD!
Think my favorite joke here is pretending there's such a thing as too much shitting on Angron.
Ahhh yes.... another hour long video for me to watch 20 times over, perfect.
I love the lore of the Grey Knights -- an invisible force keeping everyone safe 😀
To be fair, in the Siege of the Fenris system, the Grey Knights were working with the Space Wolves and the Dark Angels were tricked by a Changeling all Balthazar Gelt style.
Wait what ? I don't get the ref ( i know who balty is)
@@strangerlucky5753 End Times lore. Balthazar Gelt in Warhammer Fantasy was tricked into using Necromancy by a Chaos Changeling, marking him as a heretic and causing the Great Bastion against Chaos to gradually fail as the Cult of Sigmar turned from Gelt's creation.
The Curse of the Ward is here
Damn it, you beat me to it
Kaldo Draigo; "A wizard NEVER reveals his secrets!"
GAWD DAAAAMN
That's a 1 hour + video
Arch - make more of these!!! I use these to do my cardio - it's amazing how quick an hour can go by when it's you.
The Emperor definitely protects! Makes my soul glad to hear more lore telling.
"Enough shitting on Angron, for the time being." No
Don't fustigate yourself so much Arch. The war for Armageddon serie is still great to listen to this day (well I listen to it last month but the point still stand)
I have listened to all of his long form video series several time over and will again. I'm about to start Vracks again this weekend.
ho yes, I think I listen to Vraks something like 6 time by now, Armageddon 8 and baddab a couple time
Still waiting for the video on the months of shame. The sight of Logan Grimnar curb stomping an army of grey knight terminators near single handily is quite possibly the most satisfying thing I’ve ever heard. And I would love Arch’s take on the event.
That would be interesting
It was lame. Space wolves are lame. Even bjorn thinks they are lame.
I can’t even begin to explain how long I’ve waited for Arch to do a Grey Knight video
He is running out of cool big lore, small lore is fine imo but he has covered everything s+ tier when it comes to big events. Now he is left with kinda meh lore like "superer super soldiers"
Now we wait impatiently for the Kaldor 'Coke-beard' Draigo video.
M-Master Kaldor?
*SNIIIIIIIIFFFFF*
..Dwaaaaaaa.. (que happy music)
Warp Dust is a hell of a drug.
hey now, your Armageddon series are great. i still go back and listen to them every now and then
Imagine if the space wolves were declared traitors to the imperium. That would be fucking weird. Obviously the space wolves would still fight for the humanity and the emperor discreetly. I'm also sure multiple space marine chapters would disagree with it and join the space wolves.
There is a reason the inqistion prefer to keep this quiet.
Space wolves have a lot of pull.
Declaring them traitiors without losing vast amount of space marine chapters is difficult.
Same thing with most founding chapters.
It is going to take something so heretical that even there fellow space marines would hate them before you can declare a founding chapter traitors.
@@malaficus Nah they'd intend to keep it quiet to not break the morale of imperium... like with blood angels
I have never clicked on anything faster, thank you Arch, my merciful lord for speaking the word of my favorite space marine legion!
4 years, 4 years ive begged for a lore vid for the grey knights, and now its here.
Great Video, please do one on Imperial Commisars, I would like to know how their command structure intersects with the Astra Militarum's, who can they take orders from, what's the process in which they can take command from an Imperial Guard officer, etc
58:59, for info Hyperion, real name is Zael Efferati, yeah the kid that appear in Ravenor novel, basicly he is a psychic mirror, if a telephath is around he can be a telepath to.
I kinda like the character.
Great video, good job, once again ARCH beat the GW AGAIN, thanks ARCH. Can you talk about the ships in 40k? How big are they, how much people can even fit in them, how fast they can go, how much firepower they can wield, ranging for the Empire of man, elder, necroms, tyrinds, to the demons, hell even the orcs. Ectra, ectra, ectra, ectrahh, ectrahh, you got the point. Can you please talk about this? On next content?
"Only two invasions of Armageddon? True, Inquisitor. By Orks, and then by...also...Orks."
I really like your lore videos. These are the videos I want form Arch Warhammer
This was awesome, more lore on the white scars would be awesome as well as they seem to involved in a lot of lore with other videos you do
Everybody hates him, but I would rejoice at a Nailless Gladiator Angron.
But eveyone hates him because of how he behaved _with the nails in his head_ - which was most of his life (pre-demon), to be fair.
Listening to these helps me sleep. But then I have to go back and listen to them again … and again … and again
Arch in his Titan video: I don’t think I’ll make a Gray Knights video!
Arch now:
Yep well with the primaries becoming more and more of a thing it's kind of like the Star wars thing where the prequels really that bad now that you have something to compare it to lol
If 10 grey nights are the equivalent of a company of marines , just think Russ needed those silent sisters or the space wolves would have been decimated !
You reffering to the Burning of Prospero? He also had Custodes there... Who did nothing about the clear violation of Emperors orders by the Space Wolves... but thats a plot hole we rather not open.
Yes prospero would have gone very , very differently
The pampered hit squad of the ordo malleus
For the emperor of mankind that arch are able to tell us about the grey nights for over an hour.
I think you've provided one of the literal ONLY examples/opinions on the Emperor not telling his sons about the Gods as an act of kindness, rather than one of stupidity, rock on Ratman.
Man I missed those massive lore vids . thank u for ur time and effort and awesome narration. Respect from Nehekhara.
It would be interesting to see a video about the way the background has changed from edition to edition. Back in the old Realm of Chaos books, the Grey Knights were entirely non-psychic for example.
Arch does some of the best 40K lore videos on the internet
I wonder how long it takes the engravers and master metal crafters to add all that detail to the armor ?
It must take a small army decades to finish each piece !
For Arch, The Emperor and the algorythm
The finest the imperium has to offer unless they’re facing Logan grimnar
and unless the Custodes show up without their plot armor. :( we custodes need more plot armor.
Are you saying there was Demon primarch on planet Armagedon? Orc snipers are en route to your location...
Arch, Not just the painting for Fulgrim: remember the "Perfect" clone story..
Better put that in stasis. LOL
He's stuck in a loop killing his clone. when he's in his right mind chaos free he cries over what he has done. so much to work with GW... yet they let it fall to the floor every fucking time.
This devistated me. The Fulgrim soul in the painting found by loyal clone Fulgrim.....and somehow reabsorbed into him....🥲 the Phoenix could have risen from the ashes. And fought the Daemon Primarch.
@@HorusLupercal90 Much as we talk about wanting a redemption arc to balance the universe we'll need a 'good guy' falling to being a traitor or stumble into chaos *cough*Lion'el*cough* ... second thought maybe its best to let sleeping dogs lie. lol
Glory to lord Arch the Blondie, the holy algorithm and The Grey Knights.
...so TTS' Mini-Magnus is actually based on something in the lore. I would never have guessed!!
You seriously make my life better with these lore videos! The dissecting is immaculate👌
Woo-hoo, return to some long form stuff.
I must renew my request for a mini series on the chaos gods, it'll fill a hole in the channel.
over 1 hour, now that's the arch i know and love!
Would love to hear an in depth narration of The Months of Shame, Arch-style of course.
Love it arch take on UA-cam and GW.
I'm here wondering: is he going to complain about Matt Ward
One of first Warhammer books I read when I was younger was greyknight omnibus. It's influenced my Warhammer love ever since if you can tell
I think a good April fools joke. Would be Arch uploading a WH lore video but it's Kyle instead of Arch reading off the lore.
Ordo Drago here.
We will provide the HAMS!!!
God Emperor bless the grey knights.
Yey - something to listen to whilst I paint some. Thanks Arch 🙂
Question: how well do they respond to blanks?
I'm curious for a story I'm working on.
Going by the book "watchers of the throne: the emperor's legion". Blanks like the sisters of silence nerf their psychic powers and slow them down a bit.
At least that's how I remember it.
@@LethargicGM I could already guess that part, I'm talking about how they would react; Would they horrified that blanks exist or would they see blanks as the invaluable recourse they(blanks) are?
@@mikemerchant9242 I seem to recall they do work together time to time with most horrid enemies knights cant handle by them selfs, or least handle transport. Essentially sisters are primary way to keep A class psychers at bay, while grayknights are following closely, ready to turn the ship into slag, and to be ou shit hit the fan insurance option.
@@mikemerchant9242 As powerful psykers, they would be horrified, disgusted, etc. by the abominations and likely couldn't handle being near them.
As disciplined soldiers, they would see the blanks as the powerful tool against enemies connected to the warp that they are.
I have been waiting more than 5 years for Custodes lore, Arch. Since you had 11k subscribers. DOOOOO EEEEEET! :)
Hey Arch, if you're ever thinking of looking into other sci-fi universe's lore again, maybe you should do a video on the Xeelee Sequence books? If only because it's a sci-fi universe that is even more grimdark and extreme in scale then WH40K, except it's all backed by hard sci-fi rather then space fantasy. At least you'll be able to say "See? The Imperium isn't so bad after all!"
Fantastic video as usual. One of my favorite chapters and some of the coolest backstory.
Also, can’t thank Arch enough for deriding that absolute pile of horse manure known as the “ThE bEaSt ArIsEs”.
praise the algorythym. What I missed is the history when the GK became the Ordo Malleus chamber militians.
Just wanted some 40k lore in an acid and intelligently sharp flavour and cadence.
*Arch video shows up and does little dance before hitting play*
Some of the last Astartes yet to be Primaris'd. That already makes them warriors of quality.
Nah, they sit on the shelf with the Custodians fine the way they are. Primaris marines already commented on this fact when working with the grey knights. They were all huddled in a corner of the ship getting ready for battle with a 'GrEY KNIGHTS ONLY' sign basically. Primes were like "Brother, did you notice that there are NO PRIMARIS in their number?" "Yeah.. odd"
Source: Guilliman's plague war trilogy.
They were primaris before it was cool.
Ah, yes ideal length of video for my evening bath. So relaxing!
You know, I get the strangest impression that Arch may not be a fan of the war of the beast books. Anyone else picking up that vibe?
That's because he's not he's told us this lol
According to Alphabusa Draigo isn’t corrupted just a bit crazy.
"Greeterlings. That is a good-looking beard you have there sir! I too have a beard. It is full of tiny men. Please... KILL THEM ALL!!"
I like the Grey knights but I hate the dreadknight. When did GW decide to steal an idea from Gundam advance of Zeta TR6 Woundwort configurations.
I always love a new Arch lore video, every view feels like tasting a good year in wine and the lore videos age as such. Personal favourite is the Vraks series but hope Arch and anyone who sees this a healthy day
This is going to be good! The censorship marines!
Nothing relaxes me more than hot bath and grey knights lore
Love your style of portraying this deep universe Arch :)
I have to ask though, why does a chapter made entirely from librarian level psykers even bother with a librarius?
Because when all of your boys are on the level of a normal librarian, the guys who are expected to specialize in that shit have to be even better to justify their job titles
@@barbatosmcmurderton4209 idk seems like another “super duper space marines” like primaris
@@balistak6225 Nah this is big brain magic powers
9:59 Mini Magnus was one of the best things to come out of TTS.