Yes But instead of using your hands to move it. You use your emotions. Which is REALLY hard for the loyalists running the Pharos. (Mechanicum, Imperial Fists and an Iron Warrior) Blew the loyalists minds when the Night Lords got it running perfectly on accident.
The Scythes are such a cool chapter in that they were actually defending the people of the Imperium and living with them while being a blight on the Ultramarines and Guilliman. Their story in 30k is mostly one of hope while in 40K it is of hopelessness. Fighting an enemy that can never be defeated yet doing their duty anyway. All while lamenting the loss of what once was. They are tragic heroes and the most interesting Ultramarines spinoff that there is.
Alas, almost every other time the Tyranids have shown up in a story, they have been soundly beaten. The Scythes story is one of the few that shows the true horror of the Tyranid.
@@Gorbz Ka'Bandha dispelled the notion that the shadow in the warp defeats Daemons. The impossibly tall skull stack of an entire Tyranid splitter fleet stood as testament to that.
@@mutegrab666 And yet the Tyranids have an entire hive fleet dedicated to destroying daemons with a super powerful shadow that does banish them. Except in the game rules, where it sucks
I think the videos on specific Chapters might be my favorite of Arch's videos. It's nice to hear the legends of the lesser known Astartes. Gives more life to the already vibrant Space Marines faction with all these different colors, thinking, warfare, and cultures.
The original Scythes are sadly all gone now according to the novel The Great Work. Turns out that their planet had been infested by genestealers and that's why they fell so easily. What was left of them received the primaris reinforcements but the last few sent the Primaris away so the Firstborne scythes could take revenge on the Genestealer Patriarch that was the actual cause of their planet to fall. The last survivor (the chapter master) sacrificed himself to kill it. Keep in mind this Patriarch was still there just hanging out after the nids had already devoured the place. Then Cawl saw their planet and said "yeah I can fix that but it will take a few centuries" and the now Primaris only scythes will take over guarding Sotha.
Yep, the original Scythes are dead. As for the genestealer, it makes sense that it remained behind. On most Planets, the Nids graze off the surface and move on. But that doesn't mean tge planet is truly dead. In a few thousand years life will re-emerge. So the Genestealers are placed there to await the next cycle.
so... they basically stole the name of an honored and prestigious astartes chapter..... their previous (astartes most of all) allies should have MASSIVE problems with working with them as well as a lot of firstborn marines since what happened to the scythes is what they are afraid of will happen to them with the primaris replacing them. Also they should be having chapters demanding their gifted relics back for all the reasons above.
@@robrib2682 no, the original Scythes were quite happy to give the planet they failed into new hands. Chapters being replaced is nothing new, the fact that this one took up the colours and name of the previous one is a sign f respect and reverence for those who came before. When the primaris came, there was no chapter left, no relics no nothing. There was a single, battered squad of marines and a dead world. In the millenia before, the Imperium would have simply founded a new chapter and let it take up where the previous one left off. This way at least the scythes legacy and rememberance lives on
@@robrib2682 Nah, what's really lost is their initial purpose. They were tasked to guard the Pharos beacon on their home planet. Now the beacon is blown up, they are just holding a normal planet like any other planet in the realm of Ultramar. The planet still has a massive Blackstone reserve but it's not as cool as (spoiler alert) guarding literally jail that holds a C'tan shard.
Inquisitor: Scythe huh? Scythes: so? Inquisitor: Mortarion had a Scythe... And just like that things got tense. But at least they were a device to make the tyranids look good... so can't hate them too much.
Scythes: Turns to the Black Templar escorting the Inquisitor "Your chapter master Helbrecht is bald huh?" Black Templar: "so?" Scythes: "Horus was bald..." Tension levels at maximum.
One thing I have to disagree with: Cawls restoring of the scythes didn't save the chapter, not really. At the point we see the process of reinforcement there are only a handful of Firstborn Scythes left and they categorically refuse to pass on their chapter's culture and knowledge. The planet below is dead and eventhough with effort it will eventually be returned to life via terraforming, its culture is forever lost. The Primaris Scythes aren't reinforcements, they are inheritors of a name and a duty, replacements that have been granted the right to bear the original colours. The originaly Scythes are dead, they died taking out the Genestealer Patriarch that damned them to extinction.
@@TheMithridates Wolves of fenris deemed primaris worthy after Kaag passed his trials on fenris. Dark angels used Primaris as Bullet Sponges and mindwiped them over and over again until the Primaris figured it out and confronted them about it, causing the Primaris who Confronted them to be killed all save one. That remaining one ended up being inducted into the higher echelons of the DA command hierarchy. Don't see how primaris aren't worthy after the 5 years worth of backfilling books and lore we've gotten for them.
The Advanced Space Crusade entry on them stated there were 6 surviving members and the rescue party had to wait for the standard bearer (a veteren Sargent?) to regain consciousness before he would release his grip on his standard.
You guys remember that emporers scythes sergeant who got chopped in half a hive tyrant? The gaurdsman medic having to keep him alive with meatball surgery and tech heresy?
Thought, Guiliman was worried the severial thousand strong legions under his 'proven loyal brothers' were too strong so he broke them up to chapters.... then turns round and allowed a robot man the resources to create millions of marines.... what if robot man went chaos? 40k universe be screwed!
Really goes to show how prideful he was. Rebuilding the legions would admit to his brothers that he had made a mistake, so make reinforcements secretly, so when the worst happened and the legions were needed, he'd receive praise not condemnation.
@@shanehudson3995 I can't recall much details about Codex Astartes, but weren't there exemption for Chapters to create Legion strength against extraordinary threats? After all, it was meant to be a guide, not hard rules to go by.
The idea was so it wouldnt happen again, in case someone forgot the Traitor Legions were loyal and he did more then that, the . The Imperial Army was reorganized into what is the Astra Militarum that was composed into planetary regiments and when a Army is raised its not allowed all arms of that Army from being of the same planetary regiment with some exceptions (Death Korps of Krieg) to minimize the chances it all goes traitor and even if some does, its easier to put down. As a bad idea that was in hindsight, at the time the Imperium wasnt in such a dire situation as it found itself 10 Millennia later, the Traitors were defeated and fled to the Eye of Terror and this was before the Tyranids and Necrons, the Orks were a problem but this was before the War of the Beast and you still had many Primarch around that could rescind it if needed it, Dorn even enacted a protocol to recreate the Imperial Fists Legion just in case, Dark Angels "complied" because they are all loyal and have no secrets what so ever (and are in fact still Legion, just more decentralized because they all share that terrible secret) and funny enough the Ultramarines due to Ultramar unique status are at Legion strength so its not as if they all followed that bad idea and what happened is the only ones that could rescind that order were the Primarchs that disappeared for one reason or another or the Emperor that never bothered likely due to spending most of this time keeping the Warp out of Terra, the fact when Girlyman returned he pretty much revoked it says this was more of a case were nobody had the authority to actually do it until someone come back.
Ah the Scythes of the Emperor. When you need to extract a Zoanthrope from an active warzone with Orks because the Inquisitor's crazy Magos Biologis buddy needs a test subjet, accept no substitutes. EDIT: may have been to fake a tyranid incursion during said inquisitor's conclave, or may be just opportunism.
Well Doc kept that damn Marine alive through thick and thin, he might not even need to be interred into a Dreadnought to return to service as long as a cybernetic rebuild can be done on his lower half.
I spit out my coffee when you flashed the Primaris design for the scythes. Emperors hairy balls did they not realize that it looks like a onesie swimsuit? Throw some yellow rings around the biceps and they could be confused for 5 year old girls going for a dip in the inflatable pool.
I still recall one of their stories from the space marine Omnibus. Involving a Sgt from their chapter training up neophytes or scouts I believe when they discover the living legend of one of their own in the bowls of a space hulk or a Tyranids hive ship. Then the scouts wanting to live amongst the legends of their chapter followed the new space marine and unfortunately the story doesn’t end all that well but it was definitely interesting. Reminds as well I’d believe one of my first novels involved Deathwatch also facing off against Tyranids but I even knew fully what the Warhammer 40K franchise was.
Though sounding worse, it would be more accurate to describe the Scythes as a ‘hobo chapter’ than a ‘vagrant chapter’. Because vagrants travel and don’t work, while hobos travel and do work (and bums neither travel nor work)
"Danger is only dangerous if it can cause harm" Precisely why Yabba-Dabba-Don is the most dismissable threat and why the Tyranid hive fleet have lost some of their bite. Unless your antagonists can make an impact on the status quo that forces the other characters to grow, they will not be seen as having any agency in the direction of the story.
i'm trying to imagine any other franchise pulling the Primaris shit. Half way through Empire Strikes Back some random asshole pops up to tell Luke "Oh i've had a million SUPER JEDI in my basement since just after Order 66 happened. you think they're gonna be any use in this here rebellion of yours?"
@@TheCreepyLantern based and agreed, although I would argue that Cawl and most of the recent 40k lore developments feel more like the recent SW crap than the good old warhammer.
Yeah I'm fairly new to 40k lore so I didn't even had a favorite chapter yet but, the I learned about the Lamenters through Arch and I can say that they now are and always will be my absolute favorite chapter.. nothing can break those guys, not even a massive space hulk that drove other chapters to madness, not the inquisition and not even the Minotaurs.. tho they did surrender before the Minotaurs finished the job.. but the Lamenters emerged victorious and redeemed from their 100 year long penitent crusade.. absolute favorite..
I appreciated the lack of a ad, I know its a necessary evil without a large enough donation base. But it was nice not having one for once. Also really neat to hear about some more obscure things. My only interaction with warhammer lore are loretubers.
(monotone) All hail the Ultrasmurfs. 3:00 - Ah yes, THAT planet, 4:15 - Ah, so there's a theory that the Silver Skulls are loyalist Iron Warriors posing as Ultrasmurfs. 7:33 - Ah yes, before the Lion "baned" him. 9:55 - Where the sons of fiction's 2nd most horrific version of Batman caused the hive fleets to come, because of that. 14:10 - Titus had the right idea, then. 21:35 - Ah yes, THAT region. 24:28 - I remember finding an image, involving Imperial Governor Statler and Magos Waldorf, it's quite fitting for this crusade, as it was "Tau-rrific."
It's my opinion that they were intended to be loyalist Death Guard preserved by Papa Smurf. That dove-tails better either his hiding and shepherding their existence. And you know, their heraldry.
@@NetMoverSitan I don't know WHO'S they are. I just think that was the original intent in their early writings. It also would have been a pretty cool story line.
Reminds me a lot of what they did with the Soul Drinkers. The Soul Drinkers are totally back u guiz. They're all Primaris now! Sure, the original Soul Drinkers were wiped out to a literal man, but at least these pretenders have their colors and name, colors and a name they didn't earn and don't deserve...
Fun fact: the 11th company still exists it's now made up a ultramarine successor chapters and was posted near the eye of terror. The meta reason is so that ultramarine players could have fought in battle of cadia campaigns.
They should have just left them out of it and made them repaint their marines, then released an updated Ultramarines supplement for $40 that just gives them an extra command point, forcing them to repaint all their marines blue again.
They are NOT cured, its just buried. Recent Astorath the Grim novel talks about it in detail during a enslaver invasion post devastation of baal adventures and events. The tldr: its very much still there it just takes alot to release it and have it come to the surface.
I used to dislike their color theme because it looked like an incomplete unpainted model with custom resin parts. Then I read the lore, and thought they we're cool.
@@benjaminwhite3292 Except Legends was killed by Disney. Retroactive saying "but it happened before! It's somewhere in that massive open grave with everything Disney shot in the back of the head" doesn't work. Also, like everything else from Legends that Disney took a look and decided to copy after turning the original non canon, their version is shit and really bad made.
@@caiocbcn When he says force healing was a major plot point, it was only a major plot point in the characterisation and stories of Dark Lords of the Sith, not jedi. Light-side Jedi couldn't do it. Dark side Jedi couldn't do it. It was exclusively Sith nonsense beyond the purview of jumped up little force users like Yoda. That little green fuck couldn't cure a stubbed toe! It was even beyond the reach of Darth Sidious. Even after studying Sith Alchemy for literally decades the best he could do was die and then climb his Force ghost into an empty body and drive it around like monkey in a stolen golf cart.
Somehow the end talk about astartes being humanities defenders just reminded me how darn good the Astartes web series was. Shows how strong Astartes are and then shows how this might not even be enough to prevail.
Hey arch, I know that you've done videos on many of Blood Angels successors, but could you ever do a video on the blood angels themselves? Like you've done with the Scythes, Flesh Tearers, Lamenters, etc? I think that'd be kewl. Have a good day.
Wait, I recall some lore about the Tyranids on some planet making a beacon of some sort reintroducing Kryptman to advise on the subject, well shit. Also one of Guilliman's historitors(?) found a record of the short lived "Imperium Secundus" with some "unintentintional" aid by a greater daemon of Nurgle, the rainmaker(?) during the nuglite siege of maccrage.
Ah yes, one of the few loyalist space marines utilising power scythes. A damn shame, if you are geht fan in Warhammer universe, you gotta stick with herpes marines. Or Necron. Although Necron in melee are quite meh.
Another reason it takes the Imperium forever to make the necessary preparations and begin launching their attacks/counter-attacks is the levels of bureaucracy things have to go through.
@@malaficus wouldnt it be a matter of balance though? You have chaos and the tirinids growing in strength and advancing on the empire from both sides so having a few of the chapters return to legion or near legion strength may be be a means of balancing it.
@@tobydawes6007 You think games wokeshop would balance it. Want to buy the loden bridge? Joking aside games woke doesnt know how to balance. I rather have them not make it worst then risk them "Balancing" it.
Well i woukd say that the Codex could be somewhat defined by a famous quote of Pablo Picasso: Learn the rules like a pro, so that you can break them like an artist.
Black Templars "Can we have 12 companies? We want more recruits for an eternal crusade!" Guilliman "Sure I have an 11th company that is like twenty guys, you can adjust the size by one or two as needed" 1k years later Room temperature IQ imperium "No, exactly 10 like Guilliman intended!" They live in a society.
They are all rumored to have the highest tyranid kill of all the Astardes,also I would love to have the crossed scythes on the breastplate in space marine 2 pleaseeeeee
So Dantioc’s attempt at contacting Guilliman is basically like trying to move an antenna around trying to get a better picture quality.
Except you might appear in the TV😆
Yes
But instead of using your hands to move it. You use your emotions.
Which is REALLY hard for the loyalists running the Pharos.
(Mechanicum, Imperial Fists and an Iron Warrior)
Blew the loyalists minds when the Night Lords got it running perfectly on accident.
"Surrounded by enemies in a chaos fueled warpstorm, what he needed was more enemies." Just gunna put this here
Yeah I thought my hearing was messing up for a second. Must’ve been a brain fart on arch’s behalf
Probs meant Allies. Funny nontheless
MORE ENNEMIES!!!! MORE COME FACE OUR WRATH!!!!!!
Just Arch being Arch
@@gammaspector true, but it would be a very 40K quote though, when surrounded by enemies all you need is more enemies :D
The Scythes are such a cool chapter in that they were actually defending the people of the Imperium and living with them while being a blight on the Ultramarines and Guilliman. Their story in 30k is mostly one of hope while in 40K it is of hopelessness. Fighting an enemy that can never be defeated yet doing their duty anyway. All while lamenting the loss of what once was. They are tragic heroes and the most interesting Ultramarines spinoff that there is.
How are they a blight on the Ultramarines and Guilliman? 🤔
Essentially an Ultramarine counterpart to the Lamenters if you will. Not to dull their awesomeness by saying they are clones or something
Alas, almost every other time the Tyranids have shown up in a story, they have been soundly beaten. The Scythes story is one of the few that shows the true horror of the Tyranid.
@@Gorbz Ka'Bandha dispelled the notion that the shadow in the warp defeats Daemons. The impossibly tall skull stack of an entire Tyranid splitter fleet stood as testament to that.
@@mutegrab666 And yet the Tyranids have an entire hive fleet dedicated to destroying daemons with a super powerful shadow that does banish them. Except in the game rules, where it sucks
I think the videos on specific Chapters might be my favorite of Arch's videos. It's nice to hear the legends of the lesser known Astartes. Gives more life to the already vibrant Space Marines faction with all these different colors, thinking, warfare, and cultures.
Yeah I enjoy them a lot too
The original Scythes are sadly all gone now according to the novel The Great Work. Turns out that their planet had been infested by genestealers and that's why they fell so easily. What was left of them received the primaris reinforcements but the last few sent the Primaris away so the Firstborne scythes could take revenge on the Genestealer Patriarch that was the actual cause of their planet to fall. The last survivor (the chapter master) sacrificed himself to kill it. Keep in mind this Patriarch was still there just hanging out after the nids had already devoured the place.
Then Cawl saw their planet and said "yeah I can fix that but it will take a few centuries" and the now Primaris only scythes will take over guarding Sotha.
Yep, the original Scythes are dead.
As for the genestealer, it makes sense that it remained behind. On most Planets, the Nids graze off the surface and move on. But that doesn't mean tge planet is truly dead. In a few thousand years life will re-emerge.
So the Genestealers are placed there to await the next cycle.
so... they basically stole the name of an honored and prestigious astartes chapter..... their previous (astartes most of all) allies should have MASSIVE problems with working with them as well as a lot of firstborn marines since what happened to the scythes is what they are afraid of will happen to them with the primaris replacing them. Also they should be having chapters demanding their gifted relics back for all the reasons above.
@@robrib2682 no, the original Scythes were quite happy to give the planet they failed into new hands. Chapters being replaced is nothing new, the fact that this one took up the colours and name of the previous one is a sign f respect and reverence for those who came before.
When the primaris came, there was no chapter left, no relics no nothing. There was a single, battered squad of marines and a dead world. In the millenia before, the Imperium would have simply founded a new chapter and let it take up where the previous one left off. This way at least the scythes legacy and rememberance lives on
@@draochvar9646 that changes things I guess.... still there should be some friction of "we knew the scythes, who are you and where are they?"
@@robrib2682 Nah, what's really lost is their initial purpose. They were tasked to guard the Pharos beacon on their home planet. Now the beacon is blown up, they are just holding a normal planet like any other planet in the realm of Ultramar. The planet still has a massive Blackstone reserve but it's not as cool as (spoiler alert) guarding literally jail that holds a C'tan shard.
Inquisitor: Scythe huh?
Scythes: so?
Inquisitor: Mortarion had a Scythe...
And just like that things got tense. But at least they were a device to make the tyranids look good... so can't hate them too much.
I read that in the Forest Gump voice for some reason.
Scythes: Turns to the Black Templar escorting the Inquisitor "Your chapter master Helbrecht is bald huh?"
Black Templar: "so?"
Scythes: "Horus was bald..."
Tension levels at maximum.
@@aeterna789 That made me laugh way too much. Thanks, it really improved my day.
One thing I have to disagree with: Cawls restoring of the scythes didn't save the chapter, not really.
At the point we see the process of reinforcement there are only a handful of Firstborn Scythes left and they categorically refuse to pass on their chapter's culture and knowledge. The planet below is dead and eventhough with effort it will eventually be returned to life via terraforming, its culture is forever lost.
The Primaris Scythes aren't reinforcements, they are inheritors of a name and a duty, replacements that have been granted the right to bear the original colours. The originaly Scythes are dead, they died taking out the Genestealer Patriarch that damned them to extinction.
Exactly
They refuse to pass on knowledge? And culture? WHY?
That's even dumber
@@leonemaledetto1500 because primaris are not worthy, what is dead may never die.
@@TheMithridates Wolves of fenris deemed primaris worthy after Kaag passed his trials on fenris.
Dark angels used Primaris as Bullet Sponges and mindwiped them over and over again until the Primaris figured it out and confronted them about it, causing the Primaris who Confronted them to be killed all save one. That remaining one ended up being inducted into the higher echelons of the DA command hierarchy.
Don't see how primaris aren't worthy after the 5 years worth of backfilling books and lore we've gotten for them.
@@Benthesniperof8 and both of those parties doing that was weak writing to justify gw's power creep by making superer super soldiers
The Advanced Space Crusade entry on them stated there were 6 surviving members and the rescue party had to wait for the standard bearer (a veteren Sargent?) to regain consciousness before he would release his grip on his standard.
Well, as of "The Great Work", the original Scythes are officially extinct.
Ultramarines: 11 companies at the scattering
Leandros: The Codex Astartes does not support this
Broke: space marines as police in their spare time
Woke: space marines as landscapers in their spare time.
Bespoke: space marine hobos
You guys remember that emporers scythes sergeant who got chopped in half a hive tyrant? The gaurdsman medic having to keep him alive with meatball surgery and tech heresy?
Thought, Guiliman was worried the severial thousand strong legions under his 'proven loyal brothers' were too strong so he broke them up to chapters.... then turns round and allowed a robot man the resources to create millions of marines.... what if robot man went chaos? 40k universe be screwed!
Really goes to show how prideful he was. Rebuilding the legions would admit to his brothers that he had made a mistake, so make reinforcements secretly, so when the worst happened and the legions were needed, he'd receive praise not condemnation.
@@shanehudson3995 I can't recall much details about Codex Astartes, but weren't there exemption for Chapters to create Legion strength against extraordinary threats? After all, it was meant to be a guide, not hard rules to go by.
@@Panocek The Imperial Fists set up a trigger, the Space Wolves just ignored it, but everyone else fell in line.
The idea was so it wouldnt happen again, in case someone forgot the Traitor Legions were loyal and he did more then that, the . The Imperial Army was reorganized into what is the Astra Militarum that was composed into planetary regiments and when a Army is raised its not allowed all arms of that Army from being of the same planetary regiment with some exceptions (Death Korps of Krieg) to minimize the chances it all goes traitor and even if some does, its easier to put down.
As a bad idea that was in hindsight, at the time the Imperium wasnt in such a dire situation as it found itself 10 Millennia later, the Traitors were defeated and fled to the Eye of Terror and this was before the Tyranids and Necrons, the Orks were a problem but this was before the War of the Beast and you still had many Primarch around that could rescind it if needed it, Dorn even enacted a protocol to recreate the Imperial Fists Legion just in case, Dark Angels "complied" because they are all loyal and have no secrets what so ever (and are in fact still Legion, just more decentralized because they all share that terrible secret) and funny enough the Ultramarines due to Ultramar unique status are at Legion strength so its not as if they all followed that bad idea and what happened is the only ones that could rescind that order were the Primarchs that disappeared for one reason or another or the Emperor that never bothered likely due to spending most of this time keeping the Warp out of Terra, the fact when Girlyman returned he pretty much revoked it says this was more of a case were nobody had the authority to actually do it until someone come back.
Ah the Scythes of the Emperor. When you need to extract a Zoanthrope from an active warzone with Orks because the Inquisitor's crazy Magos Biologis buddy needs a test subjet, accept no substitutes.
EDIT: may have been to fake a tyranid incursion during said inquisitor's conclave, or may be just opportunism.
Scythes of the emperor the best makers of xenos acid nades in a pinch
@@chillyavian7718 nah, it's always nubby fault.
@@Gakido117 Yeah, he chose that fucking wreck that refuses to give up and die
@@Jfk2Mr to be fair, it was Inquisitor Oaks orders to buy the ship....
Well Doc kept that damn Marine alive through thick and thin, he might not even need to be interred into a Dreadnought to return to service as long as a cybernetic rebuild can be done on his lower half.
The scythes were actually my first Warhammer book.
Glad to see them covered!
Crawl: *exists*
Arch: *chambers bolter with malicious intent*
I spit out my coffee when you flashed the Primaris design for the scythes. Emperors hairy balls did they not realize that it looks like a onesie swimsuit? Throw some yellow rings around the biceps and they could be confused for 5 year old girls going for a dip in the inflatable pool.
Oh yes. More lore stuff from the arch man-thing!
Ohhh, Dantioch!! I just read that book with him in it, I f-ing loved it. That dude is an absolute badass!
I still recall one of their stories from the space marine Omnibus. Involving a Sgt from their chapter training up neophytes or scouts I believe when they discover the living legend of one of their own in the bowls of a space hulk or a Tyranids hive ship. Then the scouts wanting to live amongst the legends of their chapter followed the new space marine and unfortunately the story doesn’t end all that well but it was definitely interesting. Reminds as well I’d believe one of my first novels involved Deathwatch also facing off against Tyranids but I even knew fully what the Warhammer 40K franchise was.
Any idea which book it was? Was it called "the space marine omnibus?" Thanks bro!
Though sounding worse, it would be more accurate to describe the Scythes as a ‘hobo chapter’ than a ‘vagrant chapter’. Because vagrants travel and don’t work, while hobos travel and do work (and bums neither travel nor work)
Then what's a vagabond?
A pirate scoundrel
@@davidfrancisco3502 someone who travels and does petty crime
I learned something today.
My former favorite successor chapter.
Damm you Cawl.
I’ll admit, “The Weed-Wackers of the Emperor” just doesn’t have the same ring to it. ;D
"Danger is only dangerous if it can cause harm" Precisely why Yabba-Dabba-Don is the most dismissable threat and why the Tyranid hive fleet have lost some of their bite. Unless your antagonists can make an impact on the status quo that forces the other characters to grow, they will not be seen as having any agency in the direction of the story.
This video:
5% Scythes of the Emperor
95% Guilliman's sofa
time for my weekly archsmr session
i'm trying to imagine any other franchise pulling the Primaris shit. Half way through Empire Strikes Back some random asshole pops up to tell Luke "Oh i've had a million SUPER JEDI in my basement since just after Order 66 happened. you think they're gonna be any use in this here rebellion of yours?"
dude, Palps literally pulled out a gazillion star destroyers out of his ass in the last one.
@@doubt_ movies that count my guy. not movies written by epileptic gibbons slamming their heads against a piece of paper.
@@TheCreepyLantern based and agreed, although I would argue that Cawl and most of the recent 40k lore developments feel more like the recent SW crap than the good old warhammer.
@@doubt_ and THAT is 100% correct as well
The Lamenters are my favorites. But dang if I’d known about these guys would it have been a close race these guys are awesome!
Yeah I'm fairly new to 40k lore so I didn't even had a favorite chapter yet but, the I learned about the Lamenters through Arch and I can say that they now are and always will be my absolute favorite chapter.. nothing can break those guys, not even a massive space hulk that drove other chapters to madness, not the inquisition and not even the Minotaurs.. tho they did surrender before the Minotaurs finished the job.. but the Lamenters emerged victorious and redeemed from their 100 year long penitent crusade.. absolute favorite..
I appreciated the lack of a ad, I know its a necessary evil without a large enough donation base. But it was nice not having one for once. Also really neat to hear about some more obscure things. My only interaction with warhammer lore are loretubers.
(monotone) All hail the Ultrasmurfs.
3:00 - Ah yes, THAT planet,
4:15 - Ah, so there's a theory that the Silver Skulls are loyalist Iron Warriors posing as Ultrasmurfs.
7:33 - Ah yes, before the Lion "baned" him.
9:55 - Where the sons of fiction's 2nd most horrific version of Batman caused the hive fleets to come, because of that.
14:10 - Titus had the right idea, then.
21:35 - Ah yes, THAT region.
24:28 - I remember finding an image, involving Imperial Governor Statler and Magos Waldorf, it's quite fitting for this crusade, as it was "Tau-rrific."
My favorite is when lesser known Astartes chapters get covered.
Cawl is so awful he made everyone forget about Cato Sicarius.
It's my opinion that they were intended to be loyalist Death Guard preserved by Papa Smurf. That dove-tails better either his hiding and shepherding their existence. And you know, their heraldry.
So you believe that they're Filthy Frank's boys?
@@NetMoverSitan I don't know WHO'S they are. I just think that was the original intent in their early writings. It also would have been a pretty cool story line.
I look at these guys and I can't help but think of dinobots. Awesome!😺
Am I the only one that wants to see Arch cover legion structure of the Heresy, the principa bellicosa if I recall the name?
Love the lore. Thank you
Correction my good sir. Hive Fleet Kraken was 990 M41, Behemoth was 745 M41, the same year as the Damocles Crusade (725-745).
I love the small number of Loyalist Marines of the Traitor Legions.
ARCH CAN WE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET A VIDEO ON THE ANGELS PENITENT? PLEASE!
8:51 "but he realised that he was going to need ENEMIES" ... emm ... what ????
is this chapter the same chapter as in the "All Guardsmen Party?"
I have trawled through all the comments to see I'd there are any other men of culture here.
Excoriators, maybe? They whip themselves very nicely!
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This Arch Leads To Long Form Lore Fetish
Reminds me a lot of what they did with the Soul Drinkers.
The Soul Drinkers are totally back u guiz. They're all Primaris now!
Sure, the original Soul Drinkers were wiped out to a literal man, but at least these pretenders have their colors and name, colors and a name they didn't earn and don't deserve...
Hold on.
*Check Arch's video on **_The Mortifactors._*
Huh... Hey, Guilliman, buddy, you have something in your chest you want to talk about?
Fun fact: the 11th company still exists it's now made up a ultramarine successor chapters and was posted near the eye of terror.
The meta reason is so that ultramarine players could have fought in battle of cadia campaigns.
They should have just left them out of it and made them repaint their marines, then released an updated Ultramarines supplement for $40 that just gives them an extra command point, forcing them to repaint all their marines blue again.
I hope at some point we can see some Firstborn stories about the Emperor's Spears.
I’m curious if you ever gonna cover the octarius situation and the increasing unstableness
Loremaster Arch is at it again!
Arch, do you think Clonegrim is a attempt by GW to soft retcon "The Reflection Crack'd".
The scythes of the emperor are pretty badass
Scythes of the Emperor and Celestial Lions should have teamed up.
Throw in the Lamenters for some wacky fun.
On a mission to fight the Nids while the inquisition is trying to backstab them.
So are Blood Angels cured now in the lore, speaking of Cawl.
*Yesn't*
@@Benthesniperof8 disturbing
@@markmooney9416 Not as much as you think.
They are NOT cured, its just buried. Recent Astorath the Grim novel talks about it in detail during a enslaver invasion post devastation of baal adventures and events.
The tldr: its very much still there it just takes alot to release it and have it come to the surface.
They are more resistent to it, but once they get it, its even worse
Great lore and the Chapter is very cool. More interesting then the Ultrasmurfs and most of the other successors
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I used to dislike their color theme because it looked like an incomplete unpainted model with custom resin parts.
Then I read the lore, and thought they we're cool.
Belisarius Cawl and his Primaries caused the same damage to 40k than Rei and Force Healing caused to Star Wars.
Except force healing was in Legends and proved to be a major plot point at times.
@@benjaminwhite3292 Except Legends was killed by Disney. Retroactive saying "but it happened before! It's somewhere in that massive open grave with everything Disney shot in the back of the head" doesn't work. Also, like everything else from Legends that Disney took a look and decided to copy after turning the original non canon, their version is shit and really bad made.
@@caiocbcn When he says force healing was a major plot point, it was only a major plot point in the characterisation and stories of Dark Lords of the Sith, not jedi.
Light-side Jedi couldn't do it.
Dark side Jedi couldn't do it.
It was exclusively Sith nonsense beyond the purview of jumped up little force users like Yoda. That little green fuck couldn't cure a stubbed toe!
It was even beyond the reach of Darth Sidious. Even after studying Sith Alchemy for literally decades the best he could do was die and then climb his Force ghost into an empty body and drive it around like monkey in a stolen golf cart.
@@CallMeMrChainmail But don't worry, Rei can do it perfectly without training!
Fuck Disney.
Somehow the end talk about astartes being humanities defenders just reminded me how darn good the Astartes web series was. Shows how strong Astartes are and then shows how this might not even be enough to prevail.
My favorite founding is the curse founding, what is your favorite founding?
This is more an episod about Sotha, and i am not mad abut that
Hey arch, I know that you've done videos on many of Blood Angels successors, but could you ever do a video on the blood angels themselves? Like you've done with the Scythes, Flesh Tearers, Lamenters, etc? I think that'd be kewl. Have a good day.
Seconded. Although blood angels lore is suprisingly sparse, only in depth novels are dante and devastation of baal imo.
Wait, I recall some lore about the Tyranids on some planet making a beacon of some sort reintroducing Kryptman to advise on the subject, well shit. Also one of Guilliman's historitors(?) found a record of the short lived "Imperium Secundus" with some "unintentintional" aid by a greater daemon of Nurgle, the rainmaker(?) during the nuglite siege of maccrage.
There was is much great artwork for the chapter ( and others) fighting inside the hive ships in the Advanced Space Crusade rulebook.
If I can make a suggestion? A mini series of the different hive fleets sound's interesting
At some point red scorpions could use your attention. They have been revisiting stars in 2 of the series after all.
Yo arch, would you ever do a video about your miniature collection?
He's to self conscious to show his minis.
Ah yes, one of the few loyalist space marines utilising power scythes. A damn shame, if you are geht fan in Warhammer universe, you gotta stick with herpes marines. Or Necron. Although Necron in melee are quite meh.
Are these guys the same as the Emperor's Scythes in All Guardsmen Party?
If they partnered with the Whetstones of the Emperor, they would be even stronger.
Would you do a video series on the first Tyranid invasion?
If there isn't a campaign book for that battle he can't make a series about it.
Commenting for the algorithm. Thx for the vid boss, have a nice day, night....whatever it is where you are. Peace✌️
I think the first time I came across these guys was in Advanced Space Crusade.
been watching 40k content for years, never heard of these guys
Do the soul drinks at some point
Odd the Necrons where not super protective of their tech
OOoh I hear about these guys being one of Guillimens terrifying secret projects? I can't wait to hear more.
Space Marines, "Screw peripheral vision! Want want a helmet with extremely obstructed vision and a big piece of metal behind my head."
Very high anime potential in these ones ...
Another reason it takes the Imperium forever to make the necessary preparations and begin launching their attacks/counter-attacks is the levels of bureaucracy things have to go through.
will the legions be rebuilt in the present 40k setting?
I hope not.
It would ruin the settings if the imperium regains it strenght.
@@malaficus wouldnt it be a matter of balance though? You have chaos and the tirinids growing in strength and advancing on the empire from both sides so having a few of the chapters return to legion or near legion strength may be be a means of balancing it.
@@tobydawes6007 You think games wokeshop would balance it.
Want to buy the loden bridge?
Joking aside games woke doesnt know how to balance.
I rather have them not make it worst then risk them "Balancing" it.
If the Lion or Dorn come back next: maybe
Near the end it sounds a bit like astral claws 15:00
I like your none too humble opinion brother...
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The more I hear about Cawl, the less I like it
ITS ALMOST HARVESTING SEASON
"Orphans of the Kraken" was metal
I mean. The Sofa needs to be protected! .. Aw. The sofa got eaten.
Hey there Arch what books would you suggest for someone getting into Warhammer 40K ?
I believe in an old Q and A video he recommended the Night Lords, Eisenhorn and Chiaphas Cain books.
Gaaaareeeetings to you too Arch
So Marines Malevolent video?
Yes, a marines malevolent video please
Or as Arch calls them "The Marines of Evil" *dramatic noises*
Great video. My favs are the Angels of Redemption.
And the got their plant back
Well i woukd say that the Codex could be somewhat defined by a famous quote of Pablo Picasso: Learn the rules like a pro, so that you can break them like an artist.
Black Templars "Can we have 12 companies? We want more recruits for an eternal crusade!"
Guilliman "Sure I have an 11th company that is like twenty guys, you can adjust the size by one or two as needed"
1k years later
Room temperature IQ imperium "No, exactly 10 like Guilliman intended!"
They live in a society.
So by replenishing something that other things simply disappear?
Tragic what happened to these folks and their homeworld
They are all rumored to have the highest tyranid kill of all the Astardes,also I would love to have the crossed scythes on the breastplate in space marine 2 pleaseeeeee
Awesome as always 👏
❤️ this chapter
Wow i got more information from the damocles crusade from a vidoe about a space marine chapter then from mayjorkills video.