It is not the responsibility of app and social media makers to keep your kids safe I'm sorry. And it's ridiculous to say so, it's your responsibility as a parent and there is ways you can monitor their internet and their phone and their apps and that is your job. I mean seriously her parents going to start going after rated X websites and expect them to keep their children off of those sites as well
@@crystaldawn9255In the 2nd episode this is an ADULT man. The father can't keep him safe. It's up to him to keep himself out of trouble. Parents are only responsible for keeping minor children safe. Sometimes that is very difficult also. You seem somewhat COLD hearted.
Exactly, where’s the shame on holding onto someone that tight? Ladies, if you have to track him and make sure he’s not cheating, then he’s cheating, and you are making a fool of yourself thinking you can control someone and make them faithful to you.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that if you're a walmart employee and someone comes in past midnight and they purchase bleach, rope, shovels, disposable gloves and the like, just go ahead and call the police and have that person surveilled.... seriously. At this point, seriously...🤦
It would definitely be sending red flags, mostly people rather not get involved for fear. ? But that would make me feel very curious & I'd probably tell someone 🤔 if I knew who would maybe listen? Without becoming suspect by association or they'd just think I'm crazy.
Am a Kenyan and I watch this platform and I follow it I feel so much pain seeing how someone you love can change into a beast Condolences to all family who lost their loved ones R.I.P. to their souls
I swear if I worked at a store and someone bought cleaning supplies, gloves, and a shovel, I would automatically assume they just killed someone (or were about to). I watch too many crime shows.
Naw - you can never watch too much True Crime. Everyone should be watching the people around them and sharpening their critical thinking skills. It’s a scary world.
Same for most interested in true crime, we want to understand why people unexpectedly do the most horrific choices, especially when there were so many better options.
@@donnahobson9263 Me too. The hardest part for me, is watching how their family and friends grieve their loved-ones' passing. There are left do *try* and cope with the pain. I cry with them, but the best part is when the "peeps get caught." Be safe out there my friend. Be aware. ♥ 🕊
I have no doubt his parents would have expected accountability for all his lies, but in the end, they would have tried to help him. Such a shame, live with it.
They wanted the best for him and wanted to help him reach his potential. Even after the lies they would have helped him. I wonder if he'll ever understand that?
They would have forgave him. They would have totally helped him get on his feet and held his hand through the whole thing, but nooo he thought: I need to redrum them instead. I never thought something like that when I had to tell my parents I messed up! Not ever would something like that cross my mind! He’s sick!
That seems to destroy the belief of many who say, "every killer is a victim of abuse when they were a child." I never believed that. There are perhaps hundreds of cases of murderers (who killed their parents or others) but had wonderful childhoods, enjoying everything that money can buy, and having complacent and doting parents. No abuses at all. Conversely, there are probably millions of people who suffered horrors when they were children and never became murderers.
@@3BK235Y you’re absolutely correct! Some are just born to be bad. And no matter how good you are to them, their choice is to go dark. So extremely sad. Chris Watts, he’s one who I cannot understand at all, Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony, just an assortment of good childhoods
Love these 48 Hours marathons! I’m too financially strapped to do many activities. But each Saturday night becomes my fun night as I typically prep for a fun night of viewing these videos. 48 Hours team…thank you, really.❤
@@BudFuddlackerhahaha you’re not wrong, but I mean, I personally know if I’m heading to the comments on a whodunit video then I’m 100% going to find out who the killer is. Side note: your username is awesome
I cant imagine the last thoughts of Chandler's parents, especially his mother. The last text she sent to the family proved she actually did believe Chandler. She was so proud of him. Truly heartbreaking. I hope Mitch finds peace .
Killing and then chopping up your own parents because they caught you in your lies?? That’s some next level psycho behavior. I hope the brother & his fiancé are in therapy…same with the gf, Cat. I’m sure they’re all torn up about how someone so close to them could be such a monster without them knowing it.
It truly is the ultimate betrayal. What bother's me is that these people KNOW how to behave properly... they do it all the time to lure people with their _charm._ But are absolutely duplicitous. No honor. No shame. No loyalty. No compassion. How, just HOW do they live with themselves? I can't imagine that they even know how to look themselves in the eye.
Chandler is untouched with reality period. There are no explanations for what he did. He is literally crazy. Heads up, folks, there are signs. Pls be aware and not ignore them. Address these signs. They might cause you your own life in the end.
Wow! I make the choice to read comments As I watch…. This spoiler was up quick. lNow I’m hanging in and making a bet on which son did it. The “quiet sensitive “ one or the “Outgoing “ one…. 😅
@@GetRightOrGetLeft7I mean men tend to close up really badly, it's "normal" if we get older, try asking him what movie he cried about last or just watch hachiko (the dog movie, I don't know how to spell it)
What does that mean? I know some people that I have never seen cry and I thought that was weird... Like moments where they should have cried they didn't... I wonder what that means
Bull. What mother of a grown man has many opportunities to see a son cry? What did Chandler’s mom say was worth crying about? Lack of crying denotes nothing.
They didnt mention that he tried to burn their heads in the fireplace. Im from where this happened and it shocked all of us, especially those that were close to the family.they were loved and will be missed.
They also didn't mention that the farm belonged to the longtime girlfriend of Cat's mother. She was like a 2nd mother to Cat. He wasn't just at the farm the day before. He & Cat spent the day there swimming in their pool & cooking out. The next day when he popped up alone the girlfriend was annoyed because he invited himself into the pool & she wanted to swim & sunbathe topless but he wouldn't leave. That's what made her take notice that he was up to something down by the water. Someone covered this case in a 3 or 4 hour upload. Especially his sit down with police. That went on forever and so did the interview with Cat. She came off as weird as him. At the very end after he was in prison Cat stated she doesn't think he did it. Yet most of her info is what convinced them he or only he did it.
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@@sandrab2589exactly especially if they ignored signs of him being mentally ill or overly detached , but I’d never blame the parents because we’ll never know until chandler speaks out behind bars or his brother may until they are innocent victims
Until people decide to study narcissism/psychopathy, you will never understand people like Chandler. Their manipulation and diabolical nature are beyond our comprehension. May his parents RIP.
I nearly was murdered by my mentally ill husband. He put on quite a facade ie mask 🎭 for years. When I knew who he was, all hell broke loose with him. My sister is especially cunning and desperate. We haven't spoken in three years. I had to set a boundary and honor it. I am keenly aware of how these people think and behave as I had been around them and had dealt with them for 57 years. Lots of first hand experience. 😕
@@DonnaMayStanish I understand. My husband and I both come from toxic families. Some people have no understanding about how devious and how good these people are at hiding their true selves but we do because we've experienced it.
The people like him are easy to understand, you just have to know that their brains don't work correctly. They don't feel guilt, pity, care or love for anyone but themselves. They care only for themselves. Once you understand that, they are easy to figure out and RUN as far as you can and build impenetrable boundaries. If you allow yourself to waver, you're doomed. Just pray you never come in contact with one.
My heart breaks for Joeys father and mother . The loss of your child is indescribable, like no other loss ever. However, losing a child suddenly was such a tragic circumstances is heart wrenching. Losing my daughter unexpectedly has been the most tragic ever in my 65 years of life. it’s been a year and a half and I don’t think I’ll ever be back to myself. Sending prayers for Joey ‘s parents. I understand your pain!
Omg, Barbie Townsend! I went to college with one of her sons. She visited a lot and we always loved seeing her. Such a good-hearted person. And it didn’t surprise me one bit that she provided such an engaging, intelligent, and precise interview. Go Barbie!!
Joeys dad got the ultimate tat to honor his son ! Great artist! May Joey rest in peace! There are no words to take away their loss but I hope they were able to eventually find comfort in each other and their good memories of Joey. 🙏💙
Imagine thinking that the worst thing your boyfriend will do is cheat on you, just to end up finding out that he'd KILLED BOTH OF HIS PARENTS THAT DAY INSTEAD. Good Lord 😩
@@S4NSE The darn algorithm apparently deletes comments that use certain words... try using alternative spellings. Additionally, if enough people mark a comment as inappropriate often enough it will also get removed.
The Chandler case haunts me more than any of these. A kid who has parents that love him dearly and every opportunity in the world wastes it all then kills his parents and has absolutely zero remorse. Unbelievable.
I think Joey"s fun night out pursuing hot girls ended up in a gay felon attempting a SA ending up in murdering him. They coerced him back in the apartment with promoses of drugs or something. Once girls leave, and its daylight, no incentive for a guy to hang out with 3 guys he just met. They enticed him back.
How sad. I have watched many crime documentaries. I am weeping for this father , mother , sister and all the friends who loved Joey. I have never cried watching these until today. May his memory be a blessing to all who knew him.
The Nicole Lovell case is extremely heartbreaking. Only 13 years old brutally murdered.. Social media is extremely dangerous for everyone, but especially for children ... too many dangerous sick in the head predators running around free as a bird
My solution: I am not interested in their opinion, and I am not in any social media plataform with the ONLY exception of UA-cam and WhatsApp (the latter just for business and contacts with close friends, and never participating in WhatsApp Groups).
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They'd have killed him anyway, whether he faught back or not. The only thing that might have saved him was having more power than they had. He didn't. The other thing that might have saved him was not having gotten envolved with them in the first place. The moment he decided to join them, that's when things started going downhill.
His lawyer saying that all 12 members of the jury were going to come to different conclusions is insulting. Them coming back so quickly with a guilty verdict should be a sign that she should find a different career path.
I'm having a hard time believing Elizabeth claiming she wishes the guy had gotten more than 3 years for the "pain he caused her". She was willing to run away with him, tried to protect him when her parents became suspicious, they even had to lock her in her room when they confronted him.
She's partly to blame for what happened. She can't say her life was ruined because of the guy. When you told the guy you're 15, even if the guy wants to continue the conversation she should've block him. Why lead the guy on and was willing to run off with him too. She needs to own up to her part. Some girls these days are secretive and act like they're innocent when they get on camera. If her friend's mom didn't said anything to Elizabeth parents, she would had ran off.
I absolutely agree! She was complicit in the planned elopement. She also said that the 30-year-old guy she was dying to escape with should have gotten a life sentence! Sorry, I don’t feel sorry for her at all, but I do feel for her parents.
Who starts living with a guy you meet in a gym, pay for his everything, set him up in posh apartment unless there's an intimate relationship. James the con man did what he had to do to get a leg up
I watched the entire trial of the Halderson case, and my mind was blown !! Not only the thorough professionalism of the police but all the scientists involved to piece together the case, but the judge and prosecution conducted an outstanding trial. I never will understand the depth of evil humans will do. God Bless everyone impacted by that devil Chandler.
I’ve never had Parents like what Chandler had, and I can Understand how perhaps he hated to **Disappoint them** by his flunking out of school and not having this “wonderful job position”, but murdering them was definitely **Not the Answer**. What’s the worse his Parents could have done after finding out his lies? They certainly wouldn’t have killed Chandler I’m almost certain.
All children need to be told, early and often, that anyone older than you who has a romantic interest in you--or who really wants to "hang out" with you--is someone messed up in the head. Anyone who says that you're "mature" for your age is a predator.
Nobody would be able to convince me that Joey's girlfriend wasn't a little upset that Joey was out chasing strange tail. Of course they sugarcoat it... they were just taking a little break lol.
Feeling extremely bad for joes father 😭so sorry your beautiful son was murdered in a very horrific way 😭 these evil men are soulless 👿they will receive wrath from God because nothing on this earth is justice enough for joe. May Joey RIP🙏🏼❤️😭
41:05 I had less than ideal parents, to say the least. I would never hurt them. This monster murdered two very loving parents that a lot of us who come from abusive homes would have loved to have. Tragic.
Right. My father was so abusive there were times I was like you know, if I did I probably wouldn't go to jail, but finally he did. Back in the day child abuse wasn't taken even a bit seriously. It stays with you unfortunately for me not just emotionally but I get keloids ( a form of scarring) so I get to see those every day but hey I'm alive.
I think the claim of dad and name change might be more to keep his young pc in his will, legal relative, or wealth without having to be a married gay man. I have never heard of these people prior to this case, so what do I know.
I’ve watched many, many trial cases. The prosecutor for the Chandler Halderson case was one of (if not thee) _greatest_ prosecutor I’ve ever seen in any trial! He was just perfect!
Agreed! He was exceptionally talented! I’ve seen a lot of great prosecutors lately too: Georgia Kapleman & Susan Dougan (from Tallahassee) are both amazing! 🙏🏾♥️🙏🏾♥️
This case didn't seem particularly difficult to prosecute. There was plenty of evidence, no other suspects, and clues that were very easy to follow up on.
@@JJJJ-gl2uf There are many cases that *seem to be* easy to prosecute yet the state bungles it anyhow. But not with this case. Yes it was a slam dunk case, but that doesn’t take away the fact that he’s a great prosecutor
Ugh his dad broke my heart. That was so so so sad to watch him just cry for his son - as any parent would - but you could absolutely see how much that dad loved his son.
I love Erin's journalism. Always kind, yet direct! This kid Chandler is a little ant! I feel a lot of empathy for his brother who has been left all alone! He's better off without his brother but soooo sad at the loss of his Mom and Dad! R.l.P to them both! Thank goodness Kat stood up to the little ant! Shameful and heinous actions. May you rot with the devil, Satan
Or that Google search records can be found, or car gps, or that with DNA it now doesn’t matter if you never had your DNA on record, they can find you if any relative is on the large genealogy database, or can tell your eye color, race, etc. Chandler got caught by most all of those, and more, thought that his obvious lies would hold up under scrutiny.
The girl who was talking to the grown man and lied about her age, she knew exactly what she was doing. I’m happy the grown man is put away but that little girl had very supportive loving parents she wanted to be grown. I really hope she looks how blessed she truly is because the other little girl didn’t make it at all. I see a manipulator in her big time with the crying and all.
What a RELIEF it would have been to drop all the lies he was living.... can you even imagine juggling a half dozen major lies every day and never knowing what will happen. In a day or two he could have been on the way to getting his REAL life back together after telling his parents everything. I am baffled by his psychology. There is something going I can't quite see.
And it's not a unique crime. Just off the top of my head there's Syndey Powell and Jennifer Pan. Killed one or both parents for the same reason. So bizarre.
Yes, there was that Vietnamese decend girl, with a very Western name, like Emily or Rose, she was hiding for over 4 years that she had not gone to the Uni and then she just arranged thru a person to get rid of her parents....
Cat is such a brave young lady. I saw her interview at the police station . She is so kind. I wish nothing but the best for her. Chandler was a nasty pos.
Chandler is absolutely a 💩. RIP to Bart & Krista. I feel so bad for Mitchell & everyone else that loved them. The prosecutor has the best opening statement I have ever heard. It's an hour long, and just amazing. It's here on UA-cam.
I watched the whole Halderson trial. The DA was amazing from start to finish. The opening and closing statements alone are worth a watch. The evidence was overwhelming and sad. The defense sat and watched the whole thing that didn't even no cross one wittness. They may have done that to give him a chance for appeal. The world lost some great people when Krista and Bart died. I hope Mitchell and his fiancé were able to heal, cherish each other, and their future together.
This breaks my heart, his father Pat, the way he loves his son and crying my prayers for everyone involved his friends, his family. You’re all in my prayers God please bless this people.
Good afternoon everyone from Boston, Massachusetts. This one gives me nightmares!! I can't believe what he did to his parents to conceal his lies..crazy MF!!
That is called a coincidence, which are common collectively. That is like the people who think they are being “gang stalked” by large groups of highly organized people because….they saw 4 white cars at the traffic light they stopped at, or because they saw 2 different people walking a black dog past their houses or because the mailman drives by their house every day.
Even tho this girl was only 15, she knew it was wrong. Her crying and saying her life is ruined I don’t feel sorry for her. She snuck out and slept with him several times. She’s just sorry they got caught. She’s lucky she’s alive.
💯i agree. She pushed him into a corner. She had evil intentions.Ridiculous that she is now pretending to have been manipulated. Her parents are ridiculous, too.
I can relate with the murderer unfortunately. In that I also had issues with my education and it became a stressor between me and my parents but I am glad I was honest with them and went through the humiliation and constant insults. My parent used to call relatives in and ask them to insult me for failing. Still I never thought of doing anything so extreme. Most worst I thought was of suicide but then I never tried it and I even completed my degree. It was very very tough time. As I suffer from mental health issues which affect my career.I wasn't failing because I was lazy or slow. I was failing because I was unwell and could not focus
@elara2498 Be proud that you finished. Don’t focus on the negative ( i.e. parents harsh treatment). You persevered despite obstacles and remember that is what builds resilience.
I'm a parent of 9 it's time parents took some responsibility..a nine yr old has ideas not all healthy but if parents don't take the time to school and check what they do on the Internet...but many are letting the Internet babysit their kids instead WRONG
I'd like to know how Chandler is holding up in prison. In fact, I think it would be interesting for reporters to look up killers in high-profile cases and report on how they are doing and feeling. Do they have any support? Have they confessed? Do they spend 23 hrs a day in their cell; how on earth do they cope?
Most of them are masters at denial and live in a reality built on lies of self-deception. But, I bet the horrors of their actions visit them in their dreams. There's ample documentaries (on yt) on all sorts of dark triad types in prison that you could find to watch. I actually wished that they'd do full-length documentaries on the victims (like how they lived before they were murdered) without the focus ALSO being the entire time on the perps. Or, well, that it's not ALL about the terrible thing that took them from us. Something about the good they did in their lives... even if all it is, is a bunch of interview of people who knew they victims and who wished to share all the good they knew about the victims. But, maybe their lives were TOO boring? Anyhow... I wish we, as a society, honored the victims better. Even IF their lives were boring. Most of them are only known to us THROUGH the evil acts perpetrated on them... I bet a lot of victims were good/nice people.
This case floors me for many reasons, but I just keep asking myself why Chandler could not have put all of that energy into actually finding a job. Bart and Krista look like people I would’ve loved to have known. When I first heard Chandler say he had a job at SpaceX, I knew he was lying right then.
I've seen this told story told over 50 different times in 50 different ways. It chills me to the bone every time. I have watched the 'family' and lack of love, empathy and kindness for parents dissolve right before my eyes over the past 30 years. The internet and quack UA-cam therapists have desensitized complete generations of children and produced some scary narcissistic sociopaths. So sad.
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It is not the responsibility of app and social media makers to keep your kids safe I'm sorry. And it's ridiculous to say so, it's your responsibility as a parent and there is ways you can monitor their internet and their phone and their apps and that is your job. I mean seriously her parents going to start going after rated X websites and expect them to keep their children off of those sites as well
All stories about losing a child is upsetting, but Joey’s father really hurts my heart. I wish this story ended differently
@@crystaldawn9255 18:44
@@crystaldawn9255In the 2nd episode this is an ADULT man. The father can't keep him safe. It's up to him to keep himself out of trouble. Parents are only responsible for keeping minor children safe. Sometimes that is very difficult also.
You seem somewhat COLD hearted.
42:22 42:22
Here I am, watching cases I’ve seen before… but 48 Hours puts such a great spin on them, I still enjoy them 🤷🏾♀️
It's sickening😅
I’m not alone 🫶🏾😂
Me, as well. 🫣
I'm doing the same 😊
Right lol. It’s like I saw it on dateline but not 48 hrs lol
If you need to put a tracker on your boyfriend's phone to make sure he doesn't cheat on you AGAIN, then you shouldn't be with him!
that's sad
Exactly, where’s the shame on holding onto someone that tight? Ladies, if you have to track him and make sure he’s not cheating, then he’s cheating, and you are making a fool of yourself thinking you can control someone and make them faithful to you.
That’s the take awake from this? No, you shouldn’t need a tracker. Without that tracker - it might not have been as easy to convict him.
@@LalithoTheRedBorderCollielqs
I'm getting a tracker for my CAT, not my damn man. That's so insane.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that if you're a walmart employee and someone comes in past midnight and they purchase bleach, rope, shovels, disposable gloves and the like, just go ahead and call the police and have that person surveilled.... seriously. At this point, seriously...🤦
And a hacksaw and muriatic acid.
@@AlpineSprinkles exactly....
He had a receipt, that's where their job ends. Catching a killer is way above their pay grade. 🤔🤐
I said if I was a cashier and that happened it would take a lot to keep my mouth shut.
It would definitely be sending red flags, mostly people rather not get involved for fear. ? But that would make me feel very curious & I'd probably tell someone 🤔 if I knew who would maybe listen? Without becoming suspect by association or they'd just think I'm crazy.
Am a Kenyan and I watch this platform and I follow it
I feel so much pain seeing how someone you love can change into a beast
Condolences to all family who lost their loved ones
R.I.P. to their souls
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Sema! I'm also here...
From 🇰🇪 too, amid the sorrows, I like how the law enforcement and justice system swoop in and deliver justice!!!
@@atienogoga1195
Poa sana
Ningepeda pia jamuhuri watu walio uliwa zifuatiliwe hivi 😢😢😢
Kenyan American from NYC, pole sana for all the families…
I can’t imagine losing my son. The father of Joey can’t even stop crying. I really feel for him
Made me tear up as well😢 can’t imagine his pain!
I swear if I worked at a store and someone bought cleaning supplies, gloves, and a shovel, I would automatically assume they just killed someone (or were about to). I watch too many crime shows.
I have worked in retail. If you buy more than three bottles of bleach, you get the side eye🤣
😊😊😊
Naw - you can never watch too much True Crime. Everyone should be watching the people around them and sharpening their critical thinking skills. It’s a scary world.
Yea your mind needs therapy because alotta people purchase those items late nights ..are they murderers too?😒
erm people do buy those things for lots of otehr reasons! I think it safe to say 99.9% of people buying them havent just killed somebody
It's not the *macabre* that is appealing, but the human phyche, the human behaviors, forensics, and motives that intrigue me. Great upload.
Same for most interested in true crime, we want to understand why people unexpectedly do the most horrific choices, especially when there were so many better options.
@@tinydreamI also like to hear how the investigations play out.
I like to see perps get caught.
@@donnahobson9263 Me too. The hardest part for me, is watching how their family and friends grieve their loved-ones' passing. There are left do *try* and cope with the pain. I cry with them, but the best part is when the "peeps get caught." Be safe out there my friend. Be aware. ♥ 🕊
@@Scottallen8909 LOL his defense atty was LAME and I don't blame her one bit WTF could she say?
I have no doubt his parents would have expected accountability for all his lies, but in the end, they would have tried to help him. Such a shame, live with it.
He had supportive, loving parents who wanted to help him be a responsible adult and he murders them in the worst way possible. So sickening.
They wanted the best for him and wanted to help him reach his potential. Even after the lies they would have helped him.
I wonder if he'll ever understand that?
They would have forgave him. They would have totally helped him get on his feet and held his hand through the whole thing, but nooo he thought: I need to redrum them instead. I never thought something like that when I had to tell my parents I messed up! Not ever would something like that cross my mind! He’s sick!
@@Juhani139I think he couldn’t imagine coming clean and being vulnerable.
That seems to destroy the belief of many who say, "every killer is a victim of abuse when they were a child." I never believed that. There are perhaps hundreds of cases of murderers (who killed their parents or others) but had wonderful childhoods, enjoying everything that money can buy, and having complacent and doting parents. No abuses at all. Conversely, there are probably millions of people who suffered horrors when they were children and never became murderers.
@@3BK235Y you’re absolutely correct! Some are just born to be bad. And no matter how good you are to them, their choice is to go dark. So extremely sad. Chris Watts, he’s one who I cannot understand at all, Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony, just an assortment of good childhoods
Love these 48 Hours marathons! I’m too financially strapped to do many activities. But each Saturday night becomes my fun night as I typically prep for a fun night of viewing these videos. 48 Hours team…thank you, really.❤
I hope your finances are better. But I'd advise you to get out and get some air. Also read a book. Don't just binge on these.
Imagine carrying a child under your heart and loving him, and then he kills you and destroys everything. 😢
It’s a horrific thought! 💔💔💔
Way to spoil the episode for people who haven’t seen it
@@BudFuddlackerhahaha you’re not wrong, but I mean, I personally know if I’m heading to the comments on a whodunit video then I’m 100% going to find out who the killer is.
Side note: your username is awesome
Right!!! Read the comment I just posted about this. I cannot be any clearer than this.
Maybe he just didn't get enough hugs and kisses 😢. 😅
Does not make sense a guy would give someone he hardly knew, a rifle and 400 rounds. That witness was odd too.
Yes, he was very strange.
yeah, the head bobbing was bizarre.
US militaristic gun culture is suicidal.
💯% I hope Homeland security keeps an eye on that dude.
Ammunition is very expensive, and the rich are not known for the gregarious nature or generosity😂
I cant imagine the last thoughts of Chandler's parents, especially his mother. The last text she sent to the family proved she actually did believe Chandler. She was so proud of him. Truly heartbreaking. I hope Mitch finds peace .
His father was shot in the back, she probably was too.
Killing and then chopping up your own parents because they caught you in your lies?? That’s some next level psycho behavior. I hope the brother & his fiancé are in therapy…same with the gf, Cat. I’m sure they’re all torn up about how someone so close to them could be such a monster without them knowing it.
It truly is the ultimate betrayal. What bother's me is that these people KNOW how to behave properly... they do it all the time to lure people with their _charm._ But are absolutely duplicitous. No honor. No shame. No loyalty. No compassion. How, just HOW do they live with themselves? I can't imagine that they even know how to look themselves in the eye.
Chandler is untouched with reality period. There are no explanations for what he did. He is literally crazy. Heads up, folks, there are signs. Pls be aware and not ignore them. Address these signs. They might cause you your own life in the end.
And he wanted his inheritance early cos he felt like a failure
Wow! I make the choice to read comments As I watch…. This spoiler was up quick. lNow I’m hanging in and making a bet on which son did it. The “quiet sensitive “ one or the “Outgoing “ one…. 😅
kids these daze.
It was brought out that Chandler's mother had never seen him cry since he was a small child. Chris Watt's mom said the same thing about her son.
That’s spooky! I’ve never seen my husband cry we have known each other for 20 years.
@@GetRightOrGetLeft7I mean men tend to close up really badly, it's "normal" if we get older, try asking him what movie he cried about last or just watch hachiko (the dog movie, I don't know how to spell it)
Wow, that's interesting. Where did you learn that?
What does that mean? I know some people that I have never seen cry and I thought that was weird... Like moments where they should have cried they didn't... I wonder what that means
Bull. What mother of a grown man has many opportunities to see a son cry? What did Chandler’s mom say was worth crying about?
Lack of crying denotes nothing.
They didnt mention that he tried to burn their heads in the fireplace. Im from where this happened and it shocked all of us, especially those that were close to the family.they were loved and will be missed.
They also didn't mention that the farm belonged to the longtime girlfriend of Cat's mother. She was like a 2nd mother to Cat. He wasn't just at the farm the day before. He & Cat spent the day there swimming in their pool & cooking out. The next day when he popped up alone the girlfriend was annoyed because he invited himself into the pool & she wanted to swim & sunbathe topless but he wouldn't leave. That's what made her take notice that he was up to something down by the water. Someone covered this case in a 3 or 4 hour upload. Especially his sit down with police. That went on forever and so did the interview with Cat. She came off as weird as him. At the very end after he was in prison Cat stated she doesn't think he did it. Yet most of her info is what convinced them he or only he did it.
I’ve watched hundreds of 48 Hours episodes and never paid much attention to the opening credits visuals. They’re stunning and incredibly effective. 48 Hours is a class act.
I agree! The visuals and music are so iconic!
I put it on 1.5x and the music is a bop 😂
That violin makes you want to grab the popcorn and cut the lights off
Yes but they can slow down on the pre-episode spoilers 😅
They are good.
Joey's father is heartbroken, his pain is palpable.
Sometimes, evil is just born...no excuses here...no traumatised childhood, no abuse, nope....
100 percent true! They were such great parents! He just was a psychopath!
@@AidaShawJ.D. Did you know the parents? Were you privy to what went on behind closed doors? Appearances can be deceiving.
@@sandrab2589🙄
@@sandrab2589exactly especially if they ignored signs of him being mentally ill or overly detached , but I’d never blame the parents because we’ll never know until chandler speaks out behind bars or his brother may until they are innocent victims
@@sandrab2589 appearances can be deceiving for sure...even his own girlfriend NEVER imagined what he was upto till the evidence was clear...
Until people decide to study narcissism/psychopathy, you will never understand people like Chandler. Their manipulation and diabolical nature are beyond our comprehension. May his parents RIP.
He’s probably beyond a narc smh
I nearly was murdered by my mentally ill husband. He put on quite a facade ie mask 🎭 for years. When I knew who he was, all hell broke loose with him.
My sister is especially cunning and desperate. We haven't spoken in three years. I had to set a boundary and honor it.
I am keenly aware of how these people think and behave as I had been around them and had dealt with them for 57 years. Lots of first hand experience. 😕
@@DonnaMayStanish I understand. My husband and I both come from toxic families. Some people have no understanding about how devious and how good these people are at hiding their true selves but we do because we've experienced it.
The people like him are easy to understand, you just have to know that their brains don't work correctly. They don't feel guilt, pity, care or love for anyone but themselves. They care only for themselves. Once you understand that, they are easy to figure out and RUN as far as you can and build impenetrable boundaries. If you allow yourself to waver, you're doomed. Just pray you never come in contact with one.
Thank you. His actions baffle me. So so unbelievable.
My heart breaks for Joeys father and mother . The loss of your child is indescribable, like no other loss ever. However, losing a child suddenly was such a tragic circumstances is heart wrenching. Losing my daughter unexpectedly has been the most tragic ever in my 65 years of life. it’s been a year and a half and I don’t think I’ll ever be back to myself. Sending prayers for Joey ‘s parents. I understand your pain!
Me too
Lost my only child last year
Rest In Peace Talib 🙏🏾
I hope you both find peace. I cannot imagine the pain of losing a child. 🙏🏼
💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
Omg, Barbie Townsend! I went to college with one of her sons. She visited a lot and we always loved seeing her. Such a good-hearted person. And it didn’t surprise me one bit that she provided such an engaging, intelligent, and precise interview. Go Barbie!!
Do you remember her son's name, the one you went to college with? What college? When?
Joeys dad got the ultimate tat to honor his son ! Great artist! May Joey rest in peace! There are no words to take away their loss but I hope they were able to eventually find comfort in each other and their good memories of Joey. 🙏💙
Joey's father 💔 What happened to his son just floored me.
That was horrible seeing the pain in joeys dad pats face what a gorgeous man and loved by everyone xx
We'll NEVER know exactly what happened because he lies too much and refuses to speak the truth. May he rot in prison until CROAKS.🤬
Imagine thinking that the worst thing your boyfriend will do is cheat on you, just to end up finding out that he'd KILLED BOTH OF HIS PARENTS THAT DAY INSTEAD. Good Lord 😩
That's tough. Now imagine that he might have killed her, too. She'd never have found it out.
Awww this dad is in so much pain! 😔 I wish I could just hug him. My heart aches for him. Wishing him peace and healing.
What’s baffling is how on earth he thought he was ever going to get away with this 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
weird how yt deletes my comment 🤔🤔🤔
@@S4NSE The darn algorithm apparently deletes comments that use certain words... try using alternative spellings. Additionally, if enough people mark a comment as inappropriate often enough it will also get removed.
1 word: narcissist.
@@S4NSEyeah, I constantly have my comments deleted. And I’m a premium subscriber. Fk YT.
@@Rockoblocko yea..
So if he wasn't working at the internship, and he wasn't going to school, what was he doing all day, every day?
playing video games
Well he was scamming everyone. Full time job.😮
Watching UA-cam
He actually was pretending to do those things lmao madness
The Chandler case haunts me more than any of these. A kid who has parents that love him dearly and every opportunity in the world wastes it all then kills his parents and has absolutely zero remorse. Unbelievable.
I love how disgusted Erin sounds when she says, "Chazzle Dazzle." 😂😂😂😂
I think Joey"s fun night out pursuing hot girls ended up in a gay felon attempting a SA ending up in murdering him. They coerced him back in the apartment with promoses of drugs or something. Once girls leave, and its daylight, no incentive for a guy to hang out with 3 guys he just met. They enticed him back.
Or maybe he was gay too, or at least bi.
Yeah it was probably a gay thing, and Joey fought back.😢
This show make me realized anything can happen anytime and anywhere and don’t trust anyone around you !!!!!
How sad. I have watched many crime documentaries.
I am weeping for this father , mother , sister and all the friends who loved Joey.
I have never cried watching these until today.
May his memory be a blessing to all who knew him.
Chandler didn’t have a sister … and no one named Joey in this case.
@@pjnix5618there's more than one episode. It's not just the Halderson case.
@@echoshawndee6898 oh! Sorry.
@@pjnix5618 no worries. 😃
@@pjnix5618there are three cases here...
Simple yet profound with all the bells and whistles. That's why I'm a 48 Hours lifer.
400M worth of security company... The irony. The heartbreak of a father is just as palpable as a mother.
The Nicole Lovell case is extremely heartbreaking. Only 13 years old brutally murdered.. Social media is extremely dangerous for everyone, but especially for children ... too many dangerous sick in the head predators running around free as a bird
From Kenya....watch all your videos.thank you for giving these cases a platform...good work... condolences to all affected ❤
Glad to find my country people here
Sasa? Niaje? Good to see fellow Kenyans here!🇰🇪
😅😅 mambo , I'm here too
Pia mm nko locked in😂😂
pls stay in Kenya, is good nice country.
Ah, yes - Chandler wearing a neck brace and a SMIRK.
26:35 "How do you feel about allowing people to track you on social media apps? Join the conversation now on social media"
lol
😂😂
Lol 😂😂 and here we are
I mean... youtube is social media...
My solution: I am not interested in their opinion, and I am not in any social media plataform with the ONLY exception of UA-cam and WhatsApp (the latter just for business and contacts with close friends, and never participating in WhatsApp Groups).
@@3BK235YI only have UA-cam as well
Why is 48 hours the best of all these classic true crime shows, it’s so entertaining.
"I survived" is also a good one.
“Father son relationship” yeah ok 😂
Chandler is an absolute monster. Who the hell does that to another human, much less their parents?!
Joey and his dad’s bond was heartbreaking.
To the people and brilliant minds , journalists , camera men , technicians, ALL THE CREW , you are timeless , you bring nostalgia to our busy lives and chaotic world , you are a staple , a continuum of fresh air in our lives . When your episodes come on , it takes me to a place of happiness , and mind muscle memory that the time spent with you is a part of my life I enjoy . Thank you for bringing your audience a thrill ride every time !! You guys are awesome.
I love how you bring some positivity to this world!
I think that dude came onto Joey, and he fought back, and it went downhill from there. That’s my take.
I agree 100 %
They'd have killed him anyway, whether he faught back or not. The only thing that might have saved him was having more power than they had. He didn't. The other thing that might have saved him was not having gotten envolved with them in the first place. The moment he decided to join them, that's when things started going downhill.
It crossed my mind too.
His lawyer saying that all 12 members of the jury were going to come to different conclusions is insulting. Them coming back so quickly with a guilty verdict should be a sign that she should find a different career path.
Who gives someone they barely know a gun as a gift 😒
And qualifies each letter of their name out like Delta Uncle Donkey
I'm having a hard time believing Elizabeth claiming she wishes the guy had gotten more than 3 years for the "pain he caused her". She was willing to run away with him, tried to protect him when her parents became suspicious, they even had to lock her in her room when they confronted him.
She's partly to blame for what happened. She can't say her life was ruined because of the guy. When you told the guy you're 15, even if the guy wants to continue the conversation she should've block him. Why lead the guy on and was willing to run off with him too. She needs to own up to her part. Some girls these days are secretive and act like they're innocent when they get on camera. If her friend's mom didn't said anything to Elizabeth parents, she would had ran off.
I absolutely agree! She was complicit in the planned elopement. She also said that the 30-year-old guy she was dying to escape with should have gotten a life sentence! Sorry, I don’t feel sorry for her at all, but I do feel for her parents.
Her and her parents are ridiculous.
I definitely don’t feel sorry for her she’s playing victim now since she got caught
Your tattoo is beautiful, sir. I'm so sorry for your loss. For your profound loss. ❤
Who starts living with a guy you meet in a gym, pay for his everything, set him up in posh apartment unless there's an intimate relationship. James the con man did what he had to do to get a leg up
No DNA test was done, they were on the DL.
One has to be stupid beyond measure - stupid to the point of being dangerous - to think differently.
I watched the entire trial of the Halderson case, and my mind was blown !! Not only the thorough professionalism of the police but all the scientists involved to piece together the case, but the judge and prosecution conducted an outstanding trial. I never will understand the depth of evil humans will do. God Bless everyone impacted by that devil Chandler.
I watched every minute of the court proceedings, too. Judge and prosecuting attorney were stellar.
I’ve never had Parents like what Chandler had, and I can Understand how perhaps he hated to **Disappoint them** by his flunking out of school and not having this “wonderful job position”, but murdering them was definitely **Not the Answer**. What’s the worse his Parents could have done after finding out his lies? They certainly wouldn’t have killed Chandler I’m almost certain.
This broke my heart ...he was so loved by his family xx
yea and friends..
All children need to be told, early and often, that anyone older than you who has a romantic interest in you--or who really wants to "hang out" with you--is someone messed up in the head. Anyone who says that you're "mature" for your age is a predator.
Exactly right! It’s so heartbreaking to see how children seek solace from strangers and their parents are clueless.
Exactly right! It’s so heartbreaking to see how children seek solace from strangers and their parents are clueless.
Nobody would be able to convince me that Joey's girlfriend wasn't a little upset that Joey was out chasing strange tail. Of course they sugarcoat it... they were just taking a little break lol.
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My thoughts too lmao 🤣😂😂😂😂
i thought the same exact thing😭😭😭
In these documentaries about crime they sugarcoat lots of things.
The Halderson case is chilling! It’s crazy scary what their own son did.
Watching from Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹
Same
Cabo Verde 🇨🇻
In Western Africa
Trini abroad
Feeling extremely bad for joes father 😭so sorry your beautiful son was murdered in a very horrific way 😭 these evil men are soulless 👿they will receive wrath from God because nothing on this earth is justice enough for joe. May Joey RIP🙏🏼❤️😭
Good Saturday evening 😊love all the reporting on all stories.shout out from Bangkok 🎉
Morning from Cyprus. What a horrific case. Reminded me of a westerner in Hong Kong who killed a lot of ladies
41:05 I had less than ideal parents, to say the least. I would never hurt them. This monster murdered two very loving parents that a lot of us who come from abusive homes would have loved to have. Tragic.
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Same here 🙏🏻 Ill never know whats like to have a wholesome home. Its too bad!
Right. My father was so abusive there were times I was like you know, if I did I probably wouldn't go to jail, but finally he did. Back in the day child abuse wasn't taken even a bit seriously. It stays with you unfortunately for me not just emotionally but I get keloids ( a form of scarring) so I get to see those every day but hey I'm alive.
Anyone believe for one second that Jeffrey Rackover was the “surrogate father” of James Rackover?! 😂 #utterBS
No.
I think the claim of dad and name change might be more to keep his young pc in his will, legal relative, or wealth without having to be a married gay man. I have never heard of these people prior to this case, so what do I know.
“How do you feel about people tracking you on social media apps? Join the conversation now on social media!” 🤣🤣
I’ve watched many, many trial cases. The prosecutor for the Chandler Halderson case was one of (if not thee) _greatest_ prosecutor I’ve ever seen in any trial! He was just perfect!
Agreed! He was exceptionally talented! I’ve seen a lot of great prosecutors lately too: Georgia Kapleman & Susan Dougan (from Tallahassee) are both amazing! 🙏🏾♥️🙏🏾♥️
This case didn't seem particularly difficult to prosecute. There was plenty of evidence, no other suspects, and clues that were very easy to follow up on.
@@JJJJ-gl2uf There are many cases that *seem to be* easy to prosecute yet the state bungles it anyhow. But not with this case. Yes it was a slam dunk case, but that doesn’t take away the fact that he’s a great prosecutor
I loved his compassion for the witnesses. The judge was good too.
Another great prosecutor is the one that crossed Nancy Brophy.
This kid Chandler looks like a psycho from the get-go. Just calling it as I see it.
Definitely, first I’ve heard of this case and it was all in the eyes from the picture I seen of him
That one about Joey, his dad will pull on the heartstrings a bit. Pretty sad cases.
Ugh his dad broke my heart. That was so so so sad to watch him just cry for his son - as any parent would - but you could absolutely see how much that dad loved his son.
I love Erin's journalism. Always kind, yet direct! This kid Chandler is a little ant! I feel a lot of empathy for his brother who has been left all alone! He's better off without his brother but soooo sad at the loss of his Mom and Dad! R.l.P to them both!
Thank goodness Kat stood up to the little ant! Shameful and heinous actions. May you rot with the devil, Satan
My sentiments!
It amazes me how people forget there's cameras everywhere, and phones tracking their whereabouts.
Or that Google search records can be found, or car gps, or that with DNA it now doesn’t matter if you never had your DNA on record, they can find you if any relative is on the large genealogy database, or can tell your eye color, race, etc.
Chandler got caught by most all of those, and more, thought that his obvious lies would hold up under scrutiny.
The girl who was talking to the grown man and lied about her age, she knew exactly what she was doing. I’m happy the grown man is put away but that little girl had very supportive loving parents she wanted to be grown. I really hope she looks how blessed she truly is because the other little girl didn’t make it at all. I see a manipulator in her big time with the crying and all.
What a RELIEF it would have been to drop all the lies he was living.... can you even imagine juggling a half dozen major lies every day and never knowing what will happen. In a day or two he could have been on the way to getting his REAL life back together after telling his parents everything. I am baffled by his psychology. There is something going I can't quite see.
And it's not a unique crime. Just off the top of my head there's Syndey Powell and Jennifer Pan. Killed one or both parents for the same reason. So bizarre.
At first view of the photo of Mr. Rackover and his “son” I thought, “Those two are lovers, not father and son”. Anyone else?
I thought James and Larry had a relationship
Sugar daddy for sure but trying to be on the DL by saying it was his long lost son. What a bunch of psychos 😮
I totally agree with you 💯 sugar daddy for sure long lost son yeah right lmao 🤣😂😂😂😂
Yup
Me.
Chandler's case isn't an isolated one but extremely rare...not being able to admit failure to parents and consequently deceiving them.
Yes, there was that Vietnamese decend girl, with a very Western name, like Emily or Rose, she was hiding for over 4 years that she had not gone to the Uni and then she just arranged thru a person to get rid of her parents....
Jennifer Pan, Sydney Powell. To name two
Joel Guy Jr, Grant Amato, AJ Armstrong, & Alexander Jackson just to name a couple more.
True. I remember at least another case very similar to this one. Can't recall details, but I am sure I have watched it.
Good Afternoon from Indiana. I followed this case from the beginning & it’s a heartbreaking case I’ll never forget. Thank you for posting!
Snap chat was a huge clue in this case infact it helped locate some of Christa Haldersons remains because of Chandler's past infidelities 😮🧐💔
Same as Murdaugh. The son took a video of dad with the dogs which unraveled the lies that he (the dad) was not at the house when the killing occurred.
@@AidaShawJ.D. 😉 That was my favorite clue... he couldn't talk his way out of that one...
Not “chazzle dazzle” 💀
Cat is such a brave young lady. I saw her interview at the police station . She is so kind. I wish nothing but the best for her. Chandler was a nasty pos.
I recently read she still in contact with Chaz:
You haven’t heard their phone calls. You’ll change your mind, she and her mom are so strange.
@@Hartleymolly : I still suspect Cat,her mom and the creepy lady that lived on her Father’s farm were also involved in this horrific crime.
Chandler is absolutely a 💩.
RIP to Bart & Krista. I feel so bad for Mitchell & everyone else that loved them.
The prosecutor has the best opening statement I have ever heard. It's an hour long, and just amazing. It's here on UA-cam.
I watched the whole Halderson trial. The DA was amazing from start to finish. The opening and closing statements alone are worth a watch. The evidence was overwhelming and sad. The defense sat and watched the whole thing that didn't even no cross one wittness. They may have done that to give him a chance for appeal. The world lost some great people when Krista and Bart died. I hope Mitchell and his fiancé were able to heal, cherish each other, and their future together.
This breaks my heart, his father Pat, the way he loves his son and crying my prayers for everyone involved his friends, his family. You’re all in my prayers God please bless this people.
"I want my children to be the best men they can be"...... poor lady half succeeded... sometimes devils are born in the home of angels..... RIP!
Good afternoon everyone from Boston, Massachusetts. This one gives me nightmares!! I can't believe what he did to his parents to conceal his lies..crazy MF!!
Greetings from Germany and you're absolutely right, I hope eternal hell is actually a thing
Just recently moved from Boston. I actually miss it. Despite my location, watching 48 Hours on a Saturday night has been a long standing tradition.😁
I've seen five documentaries of kids killing their parents. And three of them were in wisconsin. What is it with those crazy kids in Wisconsin?
That is called a coincidence, which are common collectively.
That is like the people who think they are being “gang stalked” by large groups of highly organized people because….they saw 4 white cars at the traffic light they stopped at, or because they saw 2 different people walking a black dog past their houses or because the mailman drives by their house every day.
Even tho this girl was only 15, she knew it was wrong. Her crying and saying her life is ruined I don’t feel sorry for her. She snuck out and slept with him several times. She’s just sorry they got caught. She’s lucky she’s alive.
💯i agree. She pushed him into a corner. She had evil intentions.Ridiculous that she is now pretending to have been manipulated. Her parents are ridiculous, too.
I can relate with the murderer unfortunately. In that I also had issues with my education and it became a stressor between me and my parents but I am glad I was honest with them and went through the humiliation and constant insults. My parent used to call relatives in and ask them to insult me for failing. Still I never thought of doing anything so extreme. Most worst I thought was of suicide but then I never tried it and I even completed my degree. It was very very tough time. As I suffer from mental health issues which affect my career.I wasn't failing because I was lazy or slow. I was failing because I was unwell and could not focus
What is your mental illness? I’m just curious.
@elara2498 Be proud that you finished. Don’t focus on the negative ( i.e. parents harsh treatment). You persevered despite obstacles and remember that is what builds resilience.
I'm a parent of 9 it's time parents took some responsibility..a nine yr old has ideas not all healthy but if parents don't take the time to school and check what they do on the Internet...but many are letting the Internet babysit their kids instead WRONG
I'd like to know how Chandler is holding up in prison. In fact, I think it would be interesting for reporters to look up killers in high-profile cases and report on how they are doing and feeling. Do they have any support? Have they confessed? Do they spend 23 hrs a day in their cell; how on earth do they cope?
Most of them are masters at denial and live in a reality built on lies of self-deception. But, I bet the horrors of their actions visit them in their dreams.
There's ample documentaries (on yt) on all sorts of dark triad types in prison that you could find to watch.
I actually wished that they'd do full-length documentaries on the victims (like how they lived before they were murdered) without the focus ALSO being the entire time on the perps. Or, well, that it's not ALL about the terrible thing that took them from us.
Something about the good they did in their lives... even if all it is, is a bunch of interview of people who knew they victims and who wished to share all the good they knew about the victims. But, maybe their lives were TOO boring? Anyhow... I wish we, as a society, honored the victims better.
Even IF their lives were boring. Most of them are only known to us THROUGH the evil acts perpetrated on them... I bet a lot of victims were good/nice people.
So glad for these on you tube!
I so feel sad for Joey's father and the rest of his family. So so sad
that guy who killed both his parents can't be rehabilitated
What a tremendously sad case. How in your right mind, are you capable of murdering your parents and then dismember them????????
Aah, well done to the guy who gave him a gun as a “gift” as he thought he “might appreciate it”. Bravo! 👏👏
Condolences to Joey’s father and family. 😢😢
England here 👋
Hello Harlaxton College in Grantham
Hereford England here
James’ attorneys look like they have cocaine for breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks
Longing for love? You’re 13 for cripes sake. Doesn’t justify being murdered tho. Sad and sick world we live in.
This case floors me for many reasons, but I just keep asking myself why Chandler could not have put all of that energy into actually finding a job. Bart and Krista look like people I would’ve loved to have known. When I first heard Chandler say he had a job at SpaceX, I knew he was lying right then.
what job? working fast food?
This poor father 💔 my heart breaks for him 😢
I've seen this told story told over 50 different times in 50 different ways. It chills me to the bone every time. I have watched the 'family' and lack of love, empathy and kindness for parents dissolve right before my eyes over the past 30 years. The internet and quack UA-cam therapists have desensitized complete generations of children and produced some scary narcissistic sociopaths.
So sad.