Sail Life - Picking up a Refleks 2000KV diesel stove to heat my sailboat
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Join my on a quick trip to Refelks to pick up my brand new 2000KV diesel stove. I chose a 2000KV based on the size of my sailboat (38 ft) and also because it's possible to use radiators to help distribute the heat evenly throughout the boat (hydronic heating). The 2000 model provides roughly up to 3620 Kcal of heat (4200 Watts or 14400 BTU).
Links:
Refleks: refleks-olieovne.dk/
All models of stoves: refleks-olieovne.dk/specifikat...
Model 200KV: refleks-olieovne.dk/2000k-kv/
Installation instructions: refleks-olieovne.dk/monterings...
Ha ha I just rewatched this 4 years later and after watching your latest vid and it’s funny how stuff changes. And also bring back yokul so we can see him.
Always nice to see you in such great spirits. A lot of up's and down when living aboard.. Look forward to your next video. Cheers. And be well.
It's always good to visit these kinds of manufacturers as they can give you instant advise. And he seems to be very proud of his product. I had the same experience with Windpilot.
Fire investigator/sailor Sean Payne the space in the ring over the stove is there for two reasons. One is the ring would break its weld being heated up and expanding at different rates. Two you need room for the kettle handle!
Keep up the good work! Please show us your first aid kit!?!?!?
Thank you, Sean
I think I first watched you in an episode of cruising the cut, very interesting to catch you again, keep up the great work.
Stove looks like it will be an awesome addition for Athena!!!
Mads, I always love watching your vids!!! Especially great watching "Life is like sailing" and how you have connected with eachother... I hope during your transatlantic journey... or better yet... trans-pac we can all grab a beer and shuck some oysters!
Thank you so much :) I had SO much fun cruising with Alfy (Life is Like sailing). I hope we get to do that again some day! I'm up for beers and oysters any day ;)
your vids are always fun and informative. thanks for sharing and keeping us up to date.
Thank you so much :)
Thanks for the video's. Can't wait to see the new boat finished.
Love the videos. High quality and entertaining and educational. Frustrating a bit for me because I have seen your later videos and know that somehow along the way you decided to gut the galley... wondering how and when you got to that point. I will have to just wait and see ask I keep going through your videos in order. well done. thank you.
Hey Mads! My last boat, a 1973 Columbia 30, came with an Espar diesel forced air heater installed. I loved it! I was out doing club races in 40 Degrees with the cabin hatch open and it was 75 below. Somewhere I have a picture of a crew member down below warming her bare feet in front of the air vent! My current plans are to head south on my Hunter 35.5 when I retire, the heater question will be unnecessary...Key West here I come!
as always, I enjoy the information shared in all of your videos. keep up the good work
When I bought my boat, the Eberspacher (which is there for hot water and/or the radiators) was broken; the ECU and burner needed replacing. It cost £700!! So yes, they're expensive to fix. Glad I've also got a solid fuel stove for heating, I use that mostly instead. The Eber just gets used for hot water if I haven't had the engine running and am not on a shoreline.
The opening is I guess for the tea pot handle. Or if ur heating soup in a pot for the pit handle .. so cool all together!! ✌🏻💗☺️❣️
ace video again mads. now looking at getting a reflek.
i live on a channel 32 hunter in the uk. gonna find ya next year for a sail.
HAHAHA loved the angelic choir in the stove factory....that made my day!! :)
I just realized you're danish! Hello from Sweden! Love your channel!
Looking forward to another 10-part series on the installation of the new Refleks stove! ;-)
Haha, I'm thinking maybe a 6 part series will do this time ;) I'm planning on doing the entire installation in one video :)
+Sail Life I'll believe it when I see it, Mads. ;-)
Haha ;)
Thank you very much for your most excellent videos!
Maybe you could comment a little bit on the stove selection: It seems large in terms of heating power for your boat size, no?
And then one more question: I would be very interested on your experience with the overflow tank on your first sailboat: Did it ever fill up? If yes, how do you empty it? What are you going to do on your new boat regarding this overflow tank?
All the best, keep up your excellent work!
Very, very useful Mads - thank you. Have given us quite a bit to think about.
Another great video. Thanks Mads.
oh I love your humour!! You answered one my question about Refelks vs force air!! Thanks! that wasn't long enough Mads! lol
Love the face palm insert! :D
Re: Middelfart jokes - I give you license to tell us any English words that give the Danes a similar chuckle. Let's call it a bid for international understanding... We have as much such fun just amongst the Brits, Aussies and Yanks.
I'm pretty sure that the gap in the rail around the top of your stove is there to provide a clear space for the pouring spout of a kettle while sitting on the top plate of the stove. ...I'm not a sailor nor do I own a boat or stove but it only makes sense. Located somewhat centrally in Canada leaves me a long way from blue water sailing. Full keel steel hulls are the way to go but everyone has an opinion. Cute puppy....
A forced hot air diesel furnace called Planar, from Russia, is now available in the US for a price of about $700. 12,000 btu model is the basic version. Siberiantruckers use them for cab heat. I installed an Espar D2 and it has worked flawlessly for four years of near daily use.
The cut out is for handles for pots and pans. It allows clearance so they fit.
Good teaser video from reflex stoves. Forced airheater has many disadvantages in liveboard vs stove. Thanks for clearing that to me. Have to say about the warranty issue that for example SAFIRE airheaters has 2 year warranty with no limits in using hours. Keep up the good work.
Interesting :) I'll try reaching out to Safire to get some more details! I'd like a forced air heater in the boat for when sailing. If they are that confident in their product it might be worth taking a closer look :)
I've heard back from Safire. I asked them about their warranty policy. Specifically, if they limit their warranty to 2000 hours of operation. I also asked them if their heaters are suited for continues operation (3-4000 hours/year). Their response was that I should contact their reseller in the Netherlands. Odd that they don't want to answer those two questions themselves. Anywho, I've contacted the company they referred me to :)
I've heard back from the reseller in the Netherlands. Below is his answer. I'm very intrigued! :) Thanks for pointing me in that direction :)
There is no limit on the running hours, the warranty is 2 years.
The Safire is suited very well for continious heating, the longest running Safire heater had around 40.000 hours.
The big advantage having a Safire heater is that you can service it yourself, spare parts are cheap and always on stock.
So there is no limit on the burning hours, you will only need to service it once a year.
I think you should build a pedestal like you did in Oblix. That would keep you from bumping into it and it would also raise it to a level where cooking on it would be easier. It would also look really nice.
Heat rises...keep it as low as possible..
Refleks have been a very popular brand here in Norway for decades due to it's simplicity and durability.
Tomorrow I am going to travel by train to to a small town named Hell...
Thanks for the video, great as always.
Another great and informative episode! I see why you are sold on Reflex stoves, but at some point, could you discuss other diesel stoves that you considered and why you ultimately passed on them? "Middlefart", the air freshener capital of the world....;)
Thanks for sharing your experiences about such importance piece of equipment for colder climates cruising.
Some other people reviewing other brands insist into using only the sweetest (low sulphur content) diesels to run their stoves (they keep a spare tank for diesel oil that they buy at petrol stations, like the one for cars) and explain that using regular diesel causes excess of smoke and can even clog the regulators. I wonder if your year long experience has been using regular diesel like the one from the boat's engine tanks, or do you buy car diesel to run in the Reflex.
Thanks for the answer eventually and merry X-masts
Julio
Well, on our boat we cut a recess out so we could fit pots and pans as well as kettles. We even bake on our reflex :)
You make awesome videos! thank you!
I assume that your fridge is going to be cooled using the ocean as a heat sink, this will reduce the problems that you might encounter with having a heat source right next to the fridge.
Stoves don't reduce humidity. The way that you remove humidity in the winter is by exchanging warm moist air on the inside with cold dry air from outside (cold air doesn't hold much water, so even what seems moist, isn't by the time you heat it to room temp).
it's a relief for a frying pan of coffee pot.
100% correct :D It's so that a frying pan can fit on top of the stove :)
So it's where the handle on the frying pan can fit and the pan can stay level?
I have read other responses…so it is the answer. Thanks stewart for answering the question.
Great video
I like your refleks stove I had a Dickerson diesel on my cal 35 I am looking for a abi deck iron for my oday 272 I liked the screw in flue and deck cap. The refleks deck iron looks nice can you remove the chimney and cap it for sailing Dave
Thanks for the video.Are you going to connect some radiators and show us how that works?
Beautiful stainless steel stoves pot burners but they use too much fuel in continuous use.
7 liter a day 24 hours for the 4 kw model when it's freezing outside. I have sold the heater it consumed too much fuel. Especially because the price of diesel continues to rise. al most €1,50 a or $1,77 not per gallon but per liter.
Now i using a Safire DI32 hot air heater, nice dry heating throughout the boat. The fuel consumption is low a maximum of 3.5 liters of diesel a day when it hard freezing outside.
Big enough area on top of stove to put a still for makin rum
You should already know this, male sure you have lots (can't have too much) of insulation around the tubing, when you run to your radiators (return line also). You can install isolation valves to the different zones, you can use the valves as a manual thermal control to throttle the heat going to the zone. Place the valve near the radiator, if it gets too warm at night , you don't have to get out of bed to turn down heat going to cabin
Greetings from Denmark 🇩🇰
Love the head slaps, cracks me up every time.
middlefart lolol. I was looking at a Dickinson stove but I'll add reflex to my list. Here in Canada we used two electric heaters on our boat for the winter. The reasons were, "A" we have cats and they're pretty stupid so we didn't want them hurting themselves, "B" they came with built in fans to circulate the air and "C" we didn't have diesel engines so it was just easier to not install a separate fuel tank. But cost wise we'd probably have saved about $10 a month but there were some drawbacks..power went out and I had to run a generator.. can't cruise in cold climates etc..
The piece is missing so that pot, pans or a kettle can be placed. Them stove are used in many a fishing boats cabins they give not only heat but a loverly mice feeling in the cabin, but also a hot brew coming in off a cold deck in winter.
Another good heat source but it needs radiators and a calorifier is a Hurricane heater, these need electricity, but unlike a lot of the heater they are very well engineered and reliable. Canadian Thermal Research makes them.
Hi mads, will you need to run a recirculating pump if you install radiators and run them off the Refleks stove. Or, will the radiators run off of natural heat convection through the pipes... I'd be interested in hearing about this. Thanks, keep up the great vids!!!
Super gode videoer du laver...
Terrific video. This is what I have been looking for. Teapot handle?
Mads once again a great video,
Can I ask why you wish to put the stove on the port side? As you are currently in the renovation stage could you not move it to directly opposite on the starboard side where you presently have part of the settee which i guess you might not need quite so often . I only say this as it would keep the access clear and safe to the forepeak. Whilst also allowing you to have a larger front opening fridge if you so desired.
All the best.
Thank you so much :) There is a water tank under each of the settees. Port side next to the fridge is the only location that won't require major surgery. Plus it's not bad in real life I think the camera might make it look worse than it is :) I prefer a top loading fridge :)
That makes perfect sense, messing about with water tanks is a severe pain in the rear.
Too bad about losing your time-lapse footage, but great visit to reflecks. Cheers from PEI Canada, Bryan
Stove next to the fridge? What a wonderful idea!
See the previous episode.
Is placing the heater next to the icebox a great idea? It seems like that is the last place you would want to place a heater, although maybe in Denmark keeping things cold isn't a problem.
Hi.. following you for some time and most items i agree with... however... is it wise to place a heating source next to a refrigerator and the vent outlet. The condensor needs cooling and adding a lot of heat will effect the working of that... perhaps reconsider that before installing. On my Moody its places specially in a cool cabinet against the hull for better effect...
You could make a curved centre piece for the panel. theres plenty of vids on steam bending ply on UA-cam. And the insulation loss would be negligible similar to a bicycle tyre at the point of contact to the ground. It's an idea, but wouldn't it look nice.
A cute puppy shot, followed by an underwear shot. I see you have cracked the internet. :D
ha ha
I literally laughed out loud to this comment. Sooooo true!
Hej Mads!
Love your videos! We are planing to move on board in a year or two so you are realy an inspiration.
Regarding the gap on the stove, is it to fit the handle on a frying pan?
Hilsen fra Sverige
Hej Henrik :)
Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying the videos :) I'm sure you'll love living aboard! It's the best decision I've ever made!
You're 100% correct about the frying pan :D
Could you have gotten the window on the Refleks stove on the side instead so you can see the flame from the main seating area?
I have my own multi fuel stove that I burn wood , coal and diesel , mostly I burn wood I've had 5 years trouble free running out of it and I think its great for cooking pizzas ..up top I have a removable chimney extension so ash won't cover the deck when I turn it....I've found I can buy a weeks worth of wood from the cost of one nights diesel use .....cheers
In an earlier video you used Armflex XG for isolation purposes. It is self adhesive on the back. I’m considering too to use armflex for isolation and wanted to know what your experience is in terms of how well the self adhesive side works? Did you need additional glue to keep it in place? Overall, are you satisfied with the end result? Br, Patrick
Hey, thanks for filming. About to connect my 2000kv to radiators but a bit unsure as to how. Do i need to block off the valve on the radiators before connecting to the 2000kv? The instructions are pretty limited in this area. Thanks in advance
I'm deducing that the ring cutout might be for the handles of pots placed on the stove top. Have you considered using kerosene in the heater? "Alluring Arctic" is doing an episode on the the Refleks also with a lot of experience (3 years) in Norway. He has hinted at gimbal mounting the control valve so as to minimize the effects of rough seas on stove use underway. I think I heard you speaking Viking to Tonney. It's good you haven't forgotten how! ;)
can i make a suggestion with regards to the saloon maybe you could remove the port side seating where you measured 450 mm gap this would open up the area and fill more roomy ...
good video Mads. Hmmm what if you're sailing in the North Atlantic plenty of wind probably more than 10 degree list how can you heat the boat...I guess you cant
All this time I thought that a diesel stove gave off HEAT, but apparently it gives off VOLTAGE, and a lot of it, about FIVE times higher the the largest transmission lines criss crossing the country That is so cool.
hey Mads did you every think about getting an ecofan for our stove. i know you been looking for a silent fan
That intro made me laugh...ahh the life of the single guy. At first when I saw where you were going to place the stove, i thought "not good!" but your rational for placement is good and it is in a nice central location and likely with the air gap back drop it should be OK. Is your fridge and "ice box" or will it be a plug in fridge? Is there any possible other place for you to re-locate the fridge and turn that space into storage of some sort? Those stoves look great... how does it get it's fuel and is there any burn odor? About how much fuel does it consume in a day? Thanks for the great vid.
Hi Mads, much inspired by you my family and I are looking to become liveaboards north of you, on the Åland Islands to be precise. We are in the process of getting the right boat and I have question concerning heating that I hope you could answer. Have I understood correctly that you are going to leave Athena uninsulated and that you feel that having a refleks 2000 stove plus radiators is going to be sufficient to keep her warm? Or is this plan relying on you guys heading south? Our boat is most likely going to be insulated but I’m curious of how effective the refleks really is. Thanks for a great channel, Erik
Mads, I would seriously consider putting your fridge under seating or the other end of the kitchen. It's a bigger boat and your squeezing stuff in. The stove would look much better pushed back into the old fridge space leaving ample walk throu.
What do you think?
I've got water tanks under (inside) the seating - that would be a major operation :) I could move the stove out towards the hull but I think that would make the gally look kind of odd. I've got a feeling that the camera makes it look more cramped than it is :) To me, it's perfectly acceptable :)
The space is for the handle of a pot or kettle.
Hey Mads, when did you decide against the reflex stove? I don't remember you saying anything about it when you went with the dometic. Maybe say a little something about it in an upcoming video. Cheers
middle fart sounds pretty windy to me,,progressing nicely it looks like
LOL, I haven't heard that one before :D That goes on my mental list of Middelfart jokes ;) Thanks, slow and steady wins the race ;)
is there no smell from the burning diesel? Another Great Video. I have an 80 pound pit bull that thinks he is a 2 pound lap dog. he sleeps on top of my legs and you can't move at all during the night. I might change my UA-cam picture from the crazy face that I thought was so funny to a picture of him. His name is Boudrow. We love our dogs!
If you get a bit of backdraft it does smell a little but like I mentioned that rarely happens :) Hehe :) Dogs are wonderful! They are a big respirability but it's more than worth it in the end :)
Hey just say this video and this may be way too late but "the guys at MJSailing " who almost are finished with a 2 year refit project pointed out some of the goodies they bought like electronics and other stuff , water pumps etc early on as it was a bargain have found they did not work or are out of date so have to be replaced, out of warranty etc, so better to only plan purchases and buy when you need actually them. Good advise but hard not to make a purchase when you put a lot of research into what you want.( I'm going to try and take that advise on my small project if I can!)
Just a thought
Cheers Warren
hey mads,
look for "photorec" online, it is a tool to recover image and video files from SD-cards. works even when you format the card, and it is freeware !
I did try one recover application when that didn't work I just decided to forget about it :)
The missing section is where they ran out of material, it just so happens that it worked out as a relief for a pot handle.
Haha ;) You are correct!
Please may I ask
about the cast iron top plate.
Why is there a tiny hole in the middle of the cast iron plate. Best wishes
With the popularity of Diesel engines in pickup trucks, plus the availability of diesel fuel, they should really market those heaters for RV's in the US
It would be great if Refleks could somehow customize a cooktop to be a combined heater and cooktop. This would solve the issues about the heater being in front of the refrigerator and blocking access to the front cabin. I don't know much about the requirements for these heaters and cooktops, but there's no such thing as a stupid question, right? (just stupid people who ask them?) So anyway, if it could be done, it seems Tonny and the Reflex shop is right for the job. Now, that would be excellent customer service! Alternatively and again just brainstorming, what about locating your new Reflex stove up where your existing cooktop is. You could potentially live with just a one burner cooktop, and Jökull wouldn't have to worry about bumping into the hot heater in rough conditions.Your videos are really great! Thank you for the time you put into this!!!
I think the reason there is a section missing from that ring on top of your new stove/heater is to make room for the handle of a shallow pan.
Could it be wall mounted up high. Do they make one that's longer horizontal for that purpose.
Need a flue pipe? Hold on, let me make one! 🤣
the hole in the stove is for the Handel oft a boiler vor something
The question was “what is the cut out in the stove top rail for?”
My answer would be that the cut out allows for frying pan handle.?
the piece of the rail is missing so you can set a kettle or pot with a handle on it, if the rail ran all the way around some would not sit level.
Hi Mads, am I seeing double , do you have two yachts , one you live on the other you fixing up ?
He does. Obelix is current (smaller) home, and Athena is getting refurbished for moving to later.
The gap in the stove is for a coffee pot handle
The example Tonny used was a frying pan but sure a coffee pot makes sense too :)
Your boat Athena didn't have any heating in it originally? The stove design looks neat, simple, so less to go wrong, right?
No, there was no heating board Athena, when I purchased her :) Exactly - simple is good! :)
what kind of dog is jokull? nice videos man, I have the exact same problem with my hull, your videos have helped in my planning on how to fix it.
Awesome! I'm glad the videos were helpful to you :) Jökull is an Icelandic Sheepdog :)
+Sail Life dude he's super cool. after watching a probably embarrassing amount of your channel, I came across a video where you talked about him. great videos man, and awesome dog; I'm looking forward to seeing how your refit goes! if you're ever in the Northeast of the US, it would be sweet to chill or sail for a few days. good luck either way, I'll be diligently watching your videos! thanks, Chris
Middlefart has to be a much nicer place than Bottomfart, no? Are you going to take Obelix sailing this season?
Haha, true! :) As soon as I've replaced the portlights and gotten the Refleks stove up and running the pressure will be off and I can go sailing :)
nice!
What episode coves fuel and water and waste tankage ?
Hi Mads, just a question of thermal transfer. The stove is meant to heat. The fridge is meant to cool. Will the fridge run all the time because it's absorbing heat due to it's proximity to your stove? Or will you be building a thick layer of that lovable foam insulation?
Hi :) check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/_xlFua-rZFY/v-deo.html :)
So back up a sec, they make a Stove that runs off of diesel and it doubles as a heater???? Why are we not using this? and how had would it be to swap out a propane stove for one of these.
wow , now that's how you spot weld baby !
Truly enjoy your videos. I have yet to sail colder areas/times where an installed heater would be worth the trouble of adding, but should that time come, you're videos have given me lots to think about. As humorous a name as Middlefart is, there is a small town in western Austria that I've been with a verb type name that begins with "F," ends with a "g," seven letters long, and wouldn't be considered a word used in polite society. I've mildly tried to research the origin for the naming of this one horse town, but the best I can come up with is a couple of guys traveling when one guys asks the other where they are and the response is "We're in F$%^&*g, Austria." Thus, I think the name stuck. The couple of times I've been to Salzburg and asked locals, they seem reluctant to engage the topic. Probably just as well. Again, thank you for sharing your videos. Tot de volgende keer!
I'd guess the Opening in that Ring is for some Kettle / the Handle of a Kettle
I'm also thinking frying pan handle but thats probably too simple... So I'm going for an old fashion bed pan heater, so you can warm your bunk withoue using electricity ;-) yep figured I was wrong ;-)))))
Warren
Hello Mads,
I like your videos because you have your own style, rather than just replicating the format of other sail cruising you tubers.
When you install your radiators,would I be right in thinking that they need to be stainless for the saltwater environment also?
If so does refleks make stainless radiators or will you need to get them custom made?
I have never plumbed a boat, but I have installed radiator heating systems in the two houses which I have owned, all radiator systems need a means of expansion and circulation, the expansion is usually through either a header tank in an open system, or an expansion vessel in a closed pressurised system. The circulation in a house can be gravity fed by using the heating process to force the heated antifreeze fluid mix in the boiler circuit to a first floor copper tank and let gravity force it around the system, it is less efficient but uses no electricity, the more efficient method is using an electric circulating pump to evenly distribute the heat through the system.
It seems logical for a boat, that a self contained pressurised system with an expansion vessel and ciculating pump would be more practical and efficient, but it would require both space to install them and power to run the pump. Have you given any thought to these issues of expansion and circulation?
Regards,
Dave.
You need to start your own boat restoration company!
That would be a lot of fun! :)