The Truth About Crit in Genshin
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- Genshin players talk about artifacts a lot, but we often get it wrong.
Take a look at those two artifacts for an electro-damage DPS Raiden: they both have the ideal main stat, and are from her ideal set. The only difference is their substats, but that's where they're really different.
If you have spent any time at all thinking about artifacts you'll probably feel like it's easy to tell at a glance which is better - most people would think it's not even close. Most people would be mistaken.
What if I told you that they're as good as each other, with just an insignificant gap in between?
How on earth could that be true? Let's find out!
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00:00 Intro
00:35 Target Stats
01:47 Crit Value
03:54 The Trap
06:20 Roll Value
08:35 Tools & Calculators
09:45 Alternate Investments
12:47 Conclusion
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Hey folks, something which seems like it wasn't clear enough in the video based on a few reactions; the damage calculator takes into account the consistency of critting, and the overall damage difference between the two builds is the average after factoring in the lower crit rate of one of the builds! Sorry for any confusion! ☺
Just wanted to let you know that your Raiden build prefers More ATK% cause of your weapon choice. Homa has a high base ATK which scales really well with ATK%. But as you are not using any ATK% mainstat, your ATK is on the lower side so any ATK% from substats becomes extremely valuable. (Also Homa already gives a lot of CD). If you were using Engulfing, The ER sand with Higher CV would perform much better
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General rules for building any character, the more stats that multiply. Crits, atk, Em, depending on the reactions you make. In case of Raiden would be ER Sand, Atk goblet (its easier to farm). Crits. In your case Houma (crits), ER sands, don't know the goblet but lefting out Xianling makes you lack some atk. Also Houma isn't much relateable and would use the Catch instead. Then do the testing. This testing was already done many times and crits are the most rare and the best stats to increase the dmg. I have just rolled +20cv flower (Engulfing, ER sands, atk goblet) and my initial burst dmg went from 340k up to 414k. So no, crits are overrated at all, people just dont understand the over multipliers.
Those calculations isn’t show the real problem with low crit rate.
Example: you fighting 3 Maguu Kenki. It doesn’t matter, if you burst is crit on 2 of them. Because you will only clear that chamber when the last one that you didn’t crit is dead.
So it crucial to have high crit rate so that unfortunate event will rarely happen
@@Deman_Dema Or, alternatively, you can build your characters so that you do enough damage even when you *don't* crit that you can beat the abyss without even needing to restart and fish for crits!
My philosophy has been "try to get 3/4 of the substat categories you need, then the roll value doesnt matter, because every roll will go to something they need". Do that for every piece and then you dont have to reinvent the wheel 100x trying to get that perfect roll.
With my luck I would still be running artis 1000 years after humanity is annihilated.
@@illinnyan4053 lol
i agree! it's a bit more sifting but the grind is much less painful overall
Bruh I do that but I still roll 3-5 times on the 1/4 chance I'm actually cursed 😭
@@liculle I'm back to farming for Raiden and I'm NEVER happy with the result. So I feel you. (I think she needs all 4 subs to be perfect to get performance like you see on vids).
Thank God I got good rolls on Furina, alhaitham and Wriotheslys builds.
I've got something decent on Kuki but thats the golden goose: a build for kuki with +1000 em, plus +30k hp, plus 70critX/150critD.... the elusive impossible build. One day... one day.
Part of the reason why the atk% is so useful here is because of Raiden's gearing. If she'd been using an atk% cup instead of a DMG one, the crit substat sands would win out by more. Likewise, if she had her signature weapon, that would give her a bunch more attack than the Homa she's using and consequently, reduce the impact of the atk% substat. Homa also adds a bunch of crit DMG, which means the impact of the crit DMG on the artifact is reduced, while the impact of the atk% is boosted. And, of course, many people run a Catch on Raiden, which provides DMG for her burst, and consequently, adds value to an atk% cup, rather than a DMG one, which would in turn lower the value of the atk% substat on the Sands. And then all of that is then all impacted by team considerations as well, as the video mentions
But anyway, a single artifact can't be properly evaluated in a vacuum. In this case, the Raiden should be looking into if she should swap to a different cup to better go with the new sands. And so, yup, people definitely need to look at more than just CV. Including making sure you have enough ER% for burst dependent characters.
Yes exactly this! My own raiden still has an ATK cup because I never managed to get an ER sands OR an electro cup on set (after a solid year of living in hat domain, i kid you not), and the cup she has is a very very good one!
I have personally never used CV or even roll value as a measure, as I long ago discovered sometimes you just need a sub par looking artefact to fill in the slot and balance the build 😁
Yep, couldn't have said it better myself. Weapons, team buffs, constellations and character passives all greatly influence which stats better impact dmg for that specific character.
This is the best explanation I’ve seen of this.
I first noticed this phenomena when building Ganyu. I had a 4* circlet with like 16% attack, and when I tried to replace it with 5* circlet with no attack, it actually did less damage, even though the crit damage was much lower. Eventually I managed to roll much nicer 5* artifacts, but it was a huge learning moment for me.
People don't get the effects of diminishing returns. In fact, they just don't get Maths :D
@@ScottBarthelemy there aren't any diminishing returns in this case, only reactions have diminishing returns. In fact the opposite is happening, stacking Att % doesn't make the stats less valuable it makes others more valuable since they multiply off the Att value, similarly stacking crit and dmg bonus doesn't make them less valuable, but makes Att stat increases more valuable. Hopefully this doesn't come across as snobby but I've seen so many people claim that the attack stat has diminishing returns.
Here is an example:
If i have 100 base attack, and i get 10% Att stat, i now get 110 final attack value, if i get another 10% att stat i would get 120 final attack value, there was no diminishing return I got the same exact proportion of Att value from 10% as i did from 20%.
If we now suppose that we have 100 base attack and 100% damage bonus, final damage value would be 200, if I got another 10% damage bonus it would go up to 210. However, if I got 10% Att stat the final damage value would be 220, every % att bonus we get is worth double because of the 100% damage bonus, it's not that damage bonus has diminishing returns it's that att % has become valuable due to stacking % dmg bonus.
Lastly with 100 base attack, 100 % damage bonus, and 10% Att bonus, if we now got another 10% damage bonus, we would see that this 10% damage bonus would give more final damage than if we only had 100 base attack and 100% damage bonus, 11 extra final damage vs 10 extra final damage respectively.
Genshin's artifact system is so terribly complicated, I wish there was an easy way for new players to learn all these considerations. I think it just takes time to learn all the nuances to stat distribution, and that often deters new players. I really want more of these videos to spread online so people can decide on the real value of an artifact. Anyways, great content without too much complexity! Keep up the good work :)
The biggest thing for newer players is having a whole set at level 20, it makes a huge stat difference, even without perfect rolls
I don't think it's very complicated at all. and even if you don't understand it... do you really have to? You can just play however you want and figure things out youself (or not), or if you want to be stronger quickly, just follow a guide for the specific character you're building.
@TexasRedFam @GenshinYuppe Most casual players I know who are willing to farm artifacts want to heavily invest into 1 character/team and don't really care about anything else. They want to know the most optimized build for their favorite character, and there's no easy way to reach that level without lots of experience. I've found that a lot of casual players are often reducing the dmg output of their characters because they only see CV, and not other factors. Sadly, RV is also not perfect, especially when the player doesn't quite understand what counts as a good stat.
Just look at if the stats benefit you. Do you proc reactions?
What does your dmg scale on?
If you know to maintain a 1:2 crit ratio then all you need to do is count the beneficial stats on artifacts and try not to go too all in on one stat.
If you play other gacha games like PGR, Honkai star rail, TOF, Aether Gazer, Honkai impact 3rd, you'd see that genshin systems have all already been simplified as much as possible. They dont give explaination for what stats you should go for because they claimed in their interview "they dont want to give their players anxiety or stress over having options and flexibility." Alot of genshins "balance" is based on RNG so everyone has to hope they get good stats AND rolls that they wanted, and there isnt any option to change or fix the stats so we just have to keep spending resin until we get pieces we are satisfied with.
Dendro definitely alleviated a lot of the need for players to keep farming crit stats because hyperbloom, burgeon, and bloom teams just don't care about those stats, and they're some of the most available/accessible teams in the game (can run full 4 star teams for those archetypes)
you can run a full 4 star team with most archetypes... i think. well geo can anyway, pretty easily. national and its 4 star variations are also pretty good, a bunch of dendro teams, some electro variations... all viable with only four stars. i think the only ones that might not work sufficiently well with only four stars are teams like freeze teams. but you can still do melt if you want to go cryo. should work with enough investment.
Every time I think I’ve got a good grasp of something in this game it turns out there’s always more to learn and deeper to go (if you wish). Thank you for yet another wonderful video! And also for mentioning the raiden button smashing, i definitely did not feel called out 😂
hahaha listen I'm a button smasher too until the fight's tough enough hat I feel like I *need* to actually be strategic 😂
I do the same thing raiden is my lazy character when i dont feel like putting in effort i run my raiden team. Its her nahida jean and dehya all i really do is scan with nahida bring out raiden ans everythings dead.
Actually one thing to note is if you use for example Xingqui/Yelan, then actually spamming normal attacks could be better, or maybe doing few normals followed by a charged. All of that would depend on your support's DMG and if it's worth not using optimal combos, to enable extra DMG from supports. You also need to look into stamina economy when you have to do dash cancels and charged attacks.
End point being, never follow a guide blindly. Take your time to understand the fundamentals and then you can form your own strategies.
I needed this video so much!! I was getting bored of always spending my resin in the same few domains but this helped me see that i don't always need to have the perfect crit artifacts to have a fun and powerfull team. Great video as always!!❤
yeah the overall damage difference between perfection and "good" is shockingly small! thank you 💜🥰
Tbh u need cv to be powerful and to 36* abyss
U can do everything in world even with trashy artifacts.
i just want to add that this video actually explained what i've been doing for the past 2 years without realizing it. bc i was always confused as to how people are complaining about how hard it is to farm artifacts but when i get a decent or good one, i stop farming already. but still even with a little time and resin invested into those farming, i was able to build my characters that deal decent enough dmg to 36 star the abyss (i've been clearing the abyss with 36 stars for over a year already with decent/mid artifacts, and also decent/mid playstyle)
tldr: decent/mid artifacts is enough already to build a great character, what's more important is to build more characters especially supports, as well as the weapons and talents and the level of the characters themselves. (also you can invest a little time building current meta characters and they can help you ALOT in the abyss)
Leveling up the character talents is more important and much easier than wasting hours on trying to get super good artifact stats
@@zerogear6049 This video is misleading acc to me. In span of 2 years my every support and DPS is 60+/120+ cr cd on average with dps 70+/200+.
U need cr cd along with er. Farming artifacts is not that hard and on top of that if u don't farm artifacts, what will u spend resin on?
Legit when I got that artifact I was so excited ...and then it was literally zero difference! I mix teams up a fair bit - that team for the current floor 12 relies on Raiden without Benny, and her old 0CV artifact is legitimately stronger in that team.
Makes it even harder to throw away artifacts though 😂
It's a good thing they are slightly upping the artifact inventory again then 😂 I'm in the same boat. I have pieces saved I'll likely never use just because they MIGHT be useful in a very off-chance situation. My Shenhe did benefit from that habit when she first came out
@@zeteri4563 Yeah! Just wish it was a bigger increase! And yeah that's a great point too - you never know when they'll release someone who needs a completely different build to what you're used to as well 😅
YEha i had the same thing happen with the most perfect feather i rolled some time ago; i was SO excited to put it on any of my best DPS peeps, only realise none of them actually needed it because their build were currently balanced 'just right' 😂 if any of ten di get better stats the DPS increase was like
@@zeteri4563 My only nonnegotiable criteria for throwing artifacts is if there's two unuseful flat substats. It keeps my artifact count below the cap, and saves me from the 77.5% chance of despair. 2 bad rolls is my limit.
@@zeteri4563 they are? yaaaay. couldn't tell you how many times i've seen the "you can't get the rewards because your inventory is full" message.
to be honest, it all depends in the end; depends on the team you're using, the weapon, the set, the character, etc.
like, an atk cup on raiden isn't as viable when you have her signature, as if you were like, with the catch
because of that, crit would be a better option, and, as said in the video, bennett and his atk buff would also make the characters needs different.
great video overall, it does increase the awareness of overvaluing crit.
p.s: some time ago, my ayaka had 2k atk and 278cdmg, but i managed to change my build to a 2.5k atk and 230cdmg and her damage go up considerably, so yeah, not only we overvalue crit but we also overcap onto it sometimes
Highly underrated video. Roll value really is the way to go. Another benefit of not focusing too much on crit is that you can mix and match artifacts better as the stats are more spread out.
This is invaluable info! It's so easy to get burnt out, or overwhelmed, with the artifact grind. I would hate to lose my love for the game, as you said, for a few percentages. Definitely makes CV easier to understand and where/when it IS critical. Can't wait to have loadouts too! Great video 💜
Aye, I think it's food to know what people are talking about when they talk about "CV", but also important to understand how little that actually matters in the grand scheme of things, especially if it starts stressing you out and taking away from the enjoyment!
@@saurusnessyes really food to know
@@gradenegamer7232 lmao
I wanted to point out one thing about improving your damage without touching artefacts (you did brush on it slightly). When you're doing hard time-gated content (abyss) and doing your rotations, quality is better than quantity. It's much better for you if you do one setup and rotation properly, than trying to squeeze in as many as possible incorrect ones. Learn your setups. If youre playing anemo unit with VV, learn how to swirl properly the element(s) you need, trust me on this, a big chunk of dmg comes from that (also, Zajef77 has a video how to swilr with kazuha in every team). If you're playing characters with snapshottable abilities (xiangling) learn when to cast them to get the buff you need.
Just, understand your team. Yt has an overbudance of guides, abyss runs and such, and you'll see big improvement should you learn rotations/setups. Also build your ER folks!
Yeah people massively underrate this! Optimising your rotations takes far less effort than grinding artifact does, it's just a bit more abstract and harder to get started for some people. That's why we created the rotations app - makes it easier to get started! (genshin-rotation.com/)
EM is a super underated stat too, depending on the team. I only yelan's skill after setting up pyro on targets first to cause vaporise, and the insane damage buff + EM boost practically quadrupled her damage, far more useful than increasing her HP%
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Em is not underrated at all It’s one of the most popular stats cause of dendro or if ur using someone like Kazuha
This is why I love Reaction teams. All you need to care about is the EM on this one character and the ER on everyone else.
Players should definitely focus more on spending resin on talents/character levels/weapon levels which are just guaranteed upgrades, and will give you much more than artifacts can, at least on average. Sure, it’s not as fun to spend your resin on ley lines instead of chasing the high of the perfect artifact, but especially as you get to a point where your artifacts are good enough on a few important sets, you’ll get a MUCH better value focusing on things like talents and experience instead of getting that piece with 8 useful rolls instead of 5. I think artifacts should be the latest priority once you have a good artifact basis (which right now I would say comes in the form of investing on the emblem domain, deepwood domain and the rest you’ll get with strongboxes)
Imagine not maxing your shit before farming artifacts.
@@chaosinfernoid9008 many people do not do that cause of the gacha aspect of artifact farming/flexing their build
10:54 exactly what I always felt like too. For example my mom needs a lot of help with her account and I'm happy to help her but she's constantly worrying about putting all her daily Resin into new artifacts and I told her so many times "please get your important talents to 9 and your characters and weapons to 90 before you worry so much about tiny bit better artifacts" 😅
This is exactly what I needed to learn for better builds. Thank you so much! 🙏
So glad if I can help🥰💜
Instant fave. I've been putting off artifact farming for a while now and focused on leveling a bunch of characters, because the couple of weeks I farmed Emblem were the least fun I had playing the game. I know I'll have to get back to the artifact grind eventually, I hope the ideas in this video will help make that feel more rewarding.
Yeah I did the same thing a few months ago, and building the characters themselves just felt so much more rewarding! In the meanwhile i've every slowly gone through my hoard of artefacts to level them and see ow they roll, but not really expecting anything specific since I'm not levelling them for any specific character, which help fight the utter disappointment of less than ideal rolls ^^
Sumeru is a gift to me. You know, people complained about predatory artifact crit rng and blah-blah-blah.
They released Nilou & Nahida who fixed artifact problem *entirely*
Nilou and Nahida are characters who are designed to not care about crits. Now the only rng you care about is enemies. Everything else is under your control. Those characters provide you insanely consistent gameplay, you will never play number casino gaming simulator with them. Entire run depends on how you press buttons...and enemies rng. That's it! This is what the true genshin experience should be.
I agree, and nahida especially is an asset because she can single handedly help solve another issue a lot of characters have: almost perfect build EXCEPT they don't have enough EM. This is why I'm fond of EM buffers like nahida, sucrose, and albedo even more so than attack buffers ^^
tbh it's not just them. i build most of my dendro artifacts with no concern for crit. the exceptions being alhaitham and dogboy since they have massive personal damage that outweighs the value of EM.
@@saurusness I really like mona using a instructor's set on my nahida party. A nice 120EM boost for everyone on top of the massive damage boost for my yae's burst (as well as nahida's E proc which can be as high as 90k herself because c2 is broken)
My tighnari is dendro main DMG dealer, I'm using atk sands, dendro goblet, and crit DMG hat. Does he need crit? As a dendro dps
@@buttercup86900 yes the reactions he will cause benefit from crit, but as always making sure your base damage is high fist is imo first priority (so making sure he has enough atk, dendro dmg and EM in his case)
I'm in awe of how detailed your videos are!
Great guide, I think you covered just about everything. The only thing I might add is that some people undervalue useful stats that are not crit in that they will roll an artifact that has both crit stats and for example flat defense and flat hp, but will fodder/strongbox one with crit rate, attack percent, energy recharge and elemental mastery. Even if the latter doesn't hit crit rate every time it's still a very strong artifact, whereas if the former hits anything but crit even once it's going to be less valuable.
Yeah that's a very good point! Love to see artifacts like that, just sad that they mostly only exist for me with a DEF main stat 😂
Yes a very good point! Personally I'm a bit of a hoarder and I almost always lock anything that has at least 3 useful, or 2 highly valuable substats (and roll them at least once to see where they go), and thus I have about 1400 locked pieces 😅
Roll value is the secret Hoyo doesn't want you to know, you don't have to chase that perfect artifact friends, you can be free.
One of the best Genshin videos I've seen I've been obsessed with watching this type of youtube content for 2 years now. Still learning so much. Well articulated and such a relief to the constant needless grind.
Thank you so much! 💜
Another thing to consider: most stat buffs have less relative value the more of that stat you have (like Bennet's atk buff making atk% substats less valuable), but some stats don't decrease linearly. Notably, EM loses value much faster due to its contribution to a dynamic multiplier rather than being s simple % increase, making values past 200-400 have limited value outside of transformative reactions and values past 1000 usually not worth it outside of pure reaction teams like bloom+its derivatives.
The reason why crit value is so often focused on is because crit offsets its value loss by *gaining* some value the more of it you have, due to crit damage being more effective the more crit rate you have. In practice, this is only really relevant in the highest stages of investment, where characters are assumed to have most of the large, easily-accessible buffs like Bennet and VV/Kazuha.
As a general rule, first consult kqm's fantastically detailed character guides, but assuming the character isn't lacking important stats that aren't being made up through external buffs, a 60-120 ratio is about where crit starts becoming more valuable than other stats most of the time, and past 70:140 crit is usually notably more valuable than anything else (note that characters like Raiden or Nahida don't usually make it past 60:120 because they have other stats that are more valuable for them that they need artifacts to invest into, whereas those like Hu Tao and Ayaka tend to go very far into crit simply because they can do so without sacrificing the bare minimum of other stats).
Yep, for my noelle, a CR roll is worth over 2 DEF% rolls, and over 1.5% CD rolls. She's 95/240 though, kinda unattainable for most people (and the best CV for noelle in the entire world *humble brag*)
@@GenshinYuppehow tf u get 95/240. I just got mine at 60/240-ish. Plus, aint 95 crit rate is a bit of an overkill.
@@yummy5529 I mean, 280CV Noelle is probably overkill in general. But in terms of the crit rate, not really. Every time you don't crit, you're leaving a ton of damage on the table.
@@Falllll Cant deny that and its beautiful asf. Though I am actually thinking about your overall DEF since that amount of crits probably affect a lot of her DEF.
@@yummy5529 nah, i found a new sands, now i'm 100.3/225. it's about the same DPS as before (about 0.1% less DPS), but i have more ER now.
you can never have enough CR if it's under 100%.
Hyper bloom has taught me that the reactions you’re doing with your characters matters way more than the gear you have on them not to say good gear isn’t important it is but just because your gear is ok at best doesn’t mean you should use thousands of resin to try and get a new artifact set that gives you 10% extra crit rate & maybe 30% more crit damage but that’s just my opinion
I mean, Hyperbloom doesn't actually crit
That only counts for heavenly reaction based teams of course.
thank you for this video!! for a player like me where it can be a struggle to log in to do dailies sometimes let alone artefact grind, it's reassuring to see this open discussion regarding artefact stats. it gives a new perspective on what would be "best" for certain situations/teams/characters as opposed to the standard crit and crit only 🤔 also makes sense why this obsession with crit played a huge role in how kokomi was received when her base stats were revealed💀but overall fantastic video!! and yet another thing you've taught me to take into consideration with this game!! 💜
OH gods the flashback to kokomi's release omg 😂 Thank you so much, I'm so glad this helps lessen the pressure 🥰💖
Thank you for this video! It made me appreciate the crit value of my artifacts more since I'm running a hypercarry of Ayato so I rely mostly from the buffs of my supports.
I really needed to hear all this, thx!
Great video and editing!
So brutal. I have several elemental damage goblets for each element, but they're all scattered into strange sets. Like for example a great dendro damage goblet but its from the Pale Flame set. Etc, etc. So seems like the obvious 'off piece' slot, but then that means I HAVE to get the other artifacts that aren't goblets as good as possible, wether I'm using a two piece, two piece or a whole set. Its rough
Yup! and then it becomes a matter of figuring out whether having 2pc+2pc with really food artefacts is better value vs the ideal 4pc bonus with maybe less than ideal pieces would be
in my experience, finding a good sands from the set you want is actually harder than finding a goblet, as weird as that might seem at first.
@@GenshinYuppeIt's statistically just impossible because each element has a 5% chance to be hit on main stat on a goblet, there is no main stat on the sands with odds that low
@@Neuhier i mean finding a godly one. over 3 years and i still haven't found a godly def goblet on the bolide set to go with my PERFECT off-set geo goblet. only a couple of very good ones.
@@GenshinYuppe I think you meant you haven't found a godly DEF% sands and not goblet?
The odds of hitting a DEF% sands would be 26.66% while getting one specific element is only 5% (or 40% if you want just any element in general).
However since you still have DEF% for the substats the odds of hitting decent substats increases since both crit values are 7.5% each for both sands and goblet and the goblet also has the 9.09% chance of getting DEF%/ATK%/HP% each adding up to 27.27% of getting one of these 3 at least (it's not exactly how it works since the odds change after you get the 1st substat, then the 2nd, etc. but it's easier to explain this way).
TL;DR
If you go for a specific element getting a goblet with the mainstat + godly substats is much more unlikely
If you go for any element the goblet becomes easier to get a godly piece on
Source:
genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Artifact/Distribution
Solid video mate. Been playing since day one, literally. And I learned some new things, even if it's going to make filtering artifacts a bit more complicated.
It´s crazy how much stuff there is for optimization without even being a PvP game
Honestly yeah 😂 I find genshin's combat system and all its intricacies really fascinating, and I can see the appeal in wanting to push damage further/to the max for "science's" sake or *if* you're struggling with content. What I personally don't like though I how people try to turn it into a competition, despite the fact that such a large part of what makes up your damage is RNG... (or money if you whaled for c6r5 I guess heh)
As a casual player, I personally focus on main stats and take whatever I can get. Less stress.
ER is sooo Important!!! It wasn't until the constipated beasts were thrown into the abyss that I realized how important ER is. I overvalued crit so much that my team can't burst every rotation and have to recharge while running around like a headless chicken trying to avoid them temper tantrum attacks lmao, so I rebuilt my characters and tried to increase their er even if i lowered my attack or crit. It definitely became A LOT easier to beat those hell spawns since I can burst more reliably and thus eye frame more often to avoid their attacks.
This is a very beautifully edited video with a lot of good points. I just have a comment regarding RV:
Although RV can somewhat correlate with how "good" an artifact is, it is by no means perfect. This is simply due to the fact that it is very difficult to judge how effective an artifact is without putting it in the context of a build on a character/team. This is why RV(or even relative RV) should not be the only metric to judge how good at artifact is: it only tells you how well you rolled your artifact according to the maximum it can roll, but it cannot account for main stats, artifact set, nor how effective your characters can utilize each stat. Unfortunately, since the Genshin Optimizer does not, and will not tell users how to play the game, it is up to the players to properly educate themselves, and mentally weigh the RVs on their artifact in context with their artifact availability, main stats, character setup, and overall usefulness. The state of Genshin discourse is very CV heavy, which leads to a lot of ignorance, but the same can be said for RV as well, if creators and guide creators don't frame its nuances in the right manner.
I think your video is heading in the right direction towards making users more aware and more empowered with their artifacts, and I want to applaud your efforts towards providing such insightful resources towards genshin optimization.
Thank you so much! love the optimiser, think it's a great tool - thanks for your hard work on it 🥰 Also I fully agree, and I think I could've communicated how I actually decide whether an artefact is worth keeping or not better; while I think RV is a 'better measure' I 100% eyeball/feel it - sometimes that odd looking feather that rolled mostly ER and a bit of ATK is precisely the missing piece to make your character perfectly balanced and powerful! 😂
Someone said, "When you can one-hit kill any enemies, the game will become boring more quickly, I don't want to be Saitama, so I prefer to enjoy my game at a leisurely pace"
Again something I had no idea of!! Thank you for making this video❤😊
Ty for watching 🥰💜
It's my first time watching your video (bless the algorithm), but it was a much more pleasant experience than I thought it would be. While I don't fiddle with the rotational aspect a lot, I'm one of those stat optimizers. Your point is totally valid, you nailed it better than anything I could explain. I'm just here to explain some of the more interesting math facts.
1. A 5% difference is actually huge. You don't often see artifact output difference this large. One of my funniest experience happened to when I upgraded my Hu Tao Shimenawa last year or so. I got a pretty nice 6 crit rolls piece with 1 ATK% (my current piece is also impressive, with 5 crits, 2 ATK% and a EM roll). I eyeballed it to be better, but to alleviate my trust issue, I went to genshin optimizer anyway. It did pick that, with something less than 0.2% difference. I didn't devaluate the single EM line in calculation - Hu Tao can only vapes smth like 80% of her damage because it was a hassle. Shouldn't change the actual difference much.
2. Take another example, an additional crit line (6.6 CV) on a 90 180 dps (92.2 184.4) is 3%. It's big, right? True, but going from 5 crit lines to 6 crit lines is a bigger RNG hurdle than most people think. We are more likely to use 7 or 8 useful rolls with 5 to 6 crits and changing more of the composition instead of the number of useful rolls. Changing the composition usually does not result in 1 or 2% margin. That big of a margin only comes from adding additional lines.
Your roll value method is the actual way to go, although eyeballing requires somewhat a good understanding of the stat distribution and usage. For example, while a crit line typically results in 3-3.5% dps increase, while getting a 5% ATK from 1000 Base ATK is just 1.67% dps increase at 3000 ATK, and even at 2000 ATK it's 2.5%, way less than what a crit line could do. Typically we need something like 1.5 lines of ATK% to be equal to a crit roll, although some teams suffle this up. For example, Ayaka with free 55% CR from set and double Cryo typically have 1.2 ATK% = 1 crit. Other stats like EM and ER is A LOT harder to correctly evaluate. 140% ER is kqm reccommendation for Ayaka, although if you are little more concious of your energy usage, you can go down to 110% with practically the same team. So, it goes from the most important stat to just fault tolerance device.
3. Some teams have a character doing 90% of the work, something like Xiao hypercarry. Not very typical, someone like Hutao in double Hydro only does 40-50% of team damage. That being the case, 3% dps increase in Xiao is even more valuable than Faruzan doubling her damage.
Excellent video! Thank you for sharing!
Thank you very much for this vid. Coming back to GI after a long time, the concepts in the vid help a lot, to get a grasp and develop an own strategy regarding artifacts.
EDIT: and you have a new sub ;)
Thank you so much! 💜
Thank you for this!🤩 So much good info in here about artifacts. Also FIRST & I love yooouuuwuwuwuwuwuwu ❤❤❤
yayy I'm so glad you found these helpful! 💜
Such a great video and such a nice take ! This is what I’ve been in noticing since early genshin. Its better to feel enough of the decent artifacts rather than losing sanity in the artifacts domain 😀 , despite that i still regularly clear the abyss with 36stars . Just read the description and do the calculations . You’ll be fine !
Exactly! One of the issues is that artifacts don't work alone, what's good and what's not depends entirely on what other artifacts you have on a character. What makes high CV artifacts good isn't because that's what you should aim for with all your artifacts, but rather they have higher flexibility on what characters you can put them on.
It bothers me so much how so many people force themselves to grind for artifacts without realizing that what they're seeking could actually be worse for their character than what they have. People need to either learn what makes something good for their build or just learn to settle with their perfectly fine artifacts that they have. If your character is an atk scaling character, keep in mind that 1% atk is more likely to do more for your character than 1% CD, so add that when you're determining the value of your piece! Whether it's actually better still depends on what artifacts you have though
Well said!
I love this video so much, FINALLY someone's saying this out loud 👏
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this video was so interesting and informative, ive played since 1.0 and still learnt some new stuff
Thank you, I'm so glad!
A great video and explanation here, this opens up a wider perspective of how character builds works, reminds me back when i built Yelan C0, i spent so many resin to get the best CV, but i know that i sacrifice a lot of balance in return, ER and HP are below the minimum standard, and i pay the price in the Spiral Abyss where burst availability at every rotation is more important than the damage output in one single rotation, i cut down fair amount of CV to balance her ER and HP and finally got the "comfort zone" which work better for Abyss.
In conclusion to my opinion, my own standard for a character that needs CV is 1:2 CV ratio, and trying to get at least more than 50 CR, when i have 60 CR then 120 CD is completely fine, higher the better as long as it don't screw up the balance.
Ty so much ! This video is so underrated
Thank you for all this information !
Thank you UA-cam algorithm for recommending this step by step masterpiece. As someone who is horrible at math and struggle from to time time with sub stats and utilizing the right ones, this video was extremely helpful and easy to understand. I tip my hat off to you for this. Thank you.
Thank you so much, I'm so happy to hear that!💜
This is very useful! Thank you so much. I learnt this way too late into the game LOL but I'm still currently trying to make my Wanderer stronger 💪💪💪
Most of electro characters have strong multipliers thus love raw ATK.
It’s all a matter of balancing stat correctly.
ATK and ER are still underestimated by most of the high-AR-rank players.
I will never get the point of having sick crit stats while being unable to burst lacking ER, or some Ayaka builds with 300% CD on top of abysmal 1700/1800 ATK.
ER is any burst user's best friend 💜
Thank you for explaining a well thought explanation!
Thanks for the explanation quick to understand 👍🏻
Great job! Just subbed and look forward to more
Haven’t watched the whole video but I believe the first clip is referring to a solo raiden. And no one plays single character teams last I checked. If 4 atk% is better than 5 crit rolls then everyone would ditch their crit dmg and crit rate circlets for atk circlets and no one uses that
Yeah you should watch the whole video! It *is* referring to solo raiden at the start there, but even with attack buffs it's only a couple of percent difference, absolutely not worth grinding away forever and neglecting all the other fun characters instead. Plus half the teams I use her in don't have any attack buffs, so for those the one with attack is actually marginally better! Point is that focusing too much on crit value can lead you to waste a ton of time for like zero benefit 😅
In reality Cv is the best to go for while managing good ER. Rest is okay if ur unable to get those.
I mean having cr/cd above 60/140 feeling is really satisfying.
It's an interesting take on the crit rolls vs value rolls. Certainly makes me look at relevant % stats in a different light.
Also appreciate your brief covering of how ER is very important for any burst reliant character, which most are. A lot of people say they get their burst no problem, but they actually only get it every minute or so, instead of having it fully charged right as it comes off cooldown.
Bothers me almost as much as the 20/300 crit split because "big number good" even though it's effectively 0% crit damage 80% of the time.
Very much this!
Really interesting video and earned a sub from me. The main lesson here is not to over-value crit like you say but I suppose its also to not under-value ATK%. Will definitely bear this in mind. Thanks!
yes! You'd be surprised how many DPS characters I see with a mere 1-1.2k attack despite having very good crit - often they also lack other essential stats like ER and EM 😬
I started Genshin 3 months ago & been just lvling different characters, talents & weapons. Played far too much, though. I 've noticed for me it's just better to ignore crit stats altogether if I don't have a meaningful way to get good values. For example some of my characters have Atk% or even EM circlet instead of Crits If I wouldn't be getting more like 15% Crit rate of the artifact set I want to use, anyway. Then constant dmg boost from ATK% just works much better.
Also don't forget the ER. I can't explain how much more fluid and enjoyable my team comps became after I started building more ER. Ideally, you want enough er to be able to finish one rotation and when you're done, next one is ready. I allow myself a few more seconds to fuel some particles, but it gotta be just a few skills/favonious procs, else you're losing time (if you're in abyss) and health (if enemy scary and you have no bursts to ). Of course, won't apply to teams that don't use bursts, like hyperboom. Happy building
@@hannuak in the early game crit is pretty meaningless. Crit only really becomes valuable once you can do so consistently, which generally means all 5 star artifacts and a halfway decent ratio. At that point, assuming your mainstats are the right ones and you're using a more or less appropriate weapon, stats like atk tend to fall off, especially with 5 star characters if they have decent base stats to begin with.
Some people go feral when you say theyre too hyperfocused on CV.
Lmao truth. It's quite bizarre!
I love this video! More Genshin videos please!
This is a great video, CV is not everything. Even roll value is slightly dubious, but weighted roll value is probably the best metric!
The real reason your 0 CV sands performs similar to your 32 CV is because you have quite unbalanced main stats, this is kinda like a special case. We know that Raiden needs at least 1 ATK main stat on either Sands or Goblet, but you have neither. Instead, you are overflowing in terms of DMG bonus; see your A4, Goblet and 4-set Emblem. If you want to do ER + Electro as you have now, you better pull Engulfing Lightning to balance out the stats with more ATK%!
Right! but that's part of the issue/the point: these are the best artefacts the account has after hundreds of hours of farming, and it just goes to show you can't guarantee your main stats OR your sub stats, and so it'll always be a balancing game in the end! the point being that ultimately you'll have to judge a build by the overall stats, rather than on an individual artefact basis 🥰
My own Raiden actually does have engulfing heh, and she's in fact on an attack goblet because on my own account I never managed to get an ER sands or an electro dmg goblet on set, despite also living in that domain for well over a year 😂
@@saurusness Great answer! I think what you are saying is especially true if resource management is of great importance (resin optimization). Especially for new players, you are much better off chasing upgrades in other areas rather than banging your head on the same artifact domain over and over again, especially if you already have a decent mix of useful stats.
But at the same time, I do believe that the true final end game of Genshin is actually to just chase after these meaningless 2-3% dmg increases. If you also played since day 1, I'm more than certain that you are very rich in the game in terms of mora, xp books, talent books and gem stones. This is probably only a problem for the veteran players; but what else do you do with all of this overflowing resin if not perfect your builds?
Funny how this video comes as I just despaired at my third shimenawa flower roll into nothing but ER for my yoimiya
Thanks for the vid
nice detail, great video!
thank you!
my general rule is tbh, get around 50 cr - 140/150 cdmg, at least 2000 atk (or less if character can boost their atk in some way... looking at you hu tao) and of course get the main stats correctly. Thats for most dps characters, the exception is the pure reaction teams (the dendro stuff mostly), here its just stacking em and crit instead (unless its bloom reactions, there you just stack em)
Very interesting point. I’ve often spent lots of resin rolling for crit
An absolute shame it is - you having only 3710 Subs ... should have more like 3 million instead!!! - absolute well done video! Thank you for clarifying that crit isnt everything especially if you are more like a genshin enjoyer than a tryhard. I experienced it myself that as soon as you have the feeling that lategame its just about getting the best out of any artifact - the game can get really frustrating and i think there are many ppl that may feel the same.
hehe thank you so much, I just want to make videos sharing stuff that will hopefully help others enjoy games more or try different things, and I'm happy if there's someone who enjoys them 🥰💜
I am exmain razor this helped me to prioritize the minimum energy recharge, then critical/prob and finally any stat of the value it takes for the talents, thanks to this my rotations always have enough energy and comfort is noticeable despite there being no numbers tall, you can imagine that I was at home when the "emblem of destiny" set came out, for me the most broken stat is energy recharge, there is nothing more satisfying than finishing the rotation and having the ultis ready for the next one
I 100% agree!
as a noelle main, i offload her energy issues to her party. as such, i can maintain full time burst with no ER substats at all (although i do have 115 ER total in my usual build). but not many characters have this luxury.
@@GenshinYuppe That's true, I wish all the characters were like that
Thank you for this explanation!! It’s nice to see that crit isn’t the absolute best all the time stat. I’ve been getting tired of the artifact grind for elusive better ones and seeing that the damage difference isn’t even that great makes me more motivated to move on already to build more characters.
I have been playing daily since release and have never seen such beautiful artifacts !
Its also hard to evaluate artifacts when you are building characters that also scale well with EM, decidimg on a EM vs ER vs Attack sands for my Alhaitham is tough.
Specially for someone who started playing fairly recently playing catchup is really complicated when everyone's standards are so high and i struggle with resin on the daily
ATK on alhaitham. his personal damage is absurd. just try to squeeze some EM subs and you're golden.
Wrong use em the team that alhaitham is played use mostly transformative reaction and quicken/spread scales incredibly hard into em than it does atk plus alhaitham kit scaled heavily into em
@@TybossMaster no it's not. aihatham's procs do upwards of 35k damage every 2 seconds on top of his NA/CA attacks and his burst. but only if you build him for damage. If you go nuts for EM his personal damage gets much worse to the point the overall party damage decreases. you can't just neglect one of the stats he scales on.
plus, in my case, it's kuki that needs EM for reactions since she's the one that procs hyperbloom. she has over 1000 EM and that's what matters. 40k hyperblooms without nahida on the team, plus alhaitham's own broken personal damage, already makes for a incredibly powerful party even with just 3 slots used.
There maybe some weird parties where you use him to proc reactions, but those parties are probably not the best way to use him.
Anyway, he can use SOME EM, but focusing on it entirely is wasting his whole kit. You have to balance it out. And since you're probably not using him with bennet, his attack with an EM sands will be pretty bad.
Quicken / spread don't proc often enough to justify sacrifices, most of the time. they're more complimentary reactions imo. like bonuses you get on hyperbloom / burgeon parties. they help a lot, but they're hardly worth it focusing on by themselves.
ps: if you have zero EM, then maybe it might be worth going for that sands. but my alhaitham has 450 EM during battle without it, so no need.
Alhaitham almost always builds EM/Dendro/Crit. You should be able to get enough er from substats, unless he's solo dendro. His skill does most of his damage and it has em scaling as well as proccing spread every other hit, so he really benefits from EM.
super helpful, really made me rethink trying to aim for impossible crit ratios lmaoaoao
yeah no need to push it further than you want to - at least not to the point where you stop having fun/get frustrated!
more... i like this kind of analysis . My button smashing tactics is hurt
for my builds I tend to divide them into stages.
usable: 60 crit rate, over 100cd and enough er
ok: 60/160+, enough er and some useful substats, doesn't have to be the bis set
good: 80/160+ for consistent crits, and enough useful substats (er can drop a bit if there are enough batteries in the team), bis set
great: 80/200 (or 90/190 for those who refuse to roll cd) for that juicy crit ratio, sacrificing a little bit of useful substats
amazing: 80/200 with great substats.
I only have 3 characters at great and above, Scara (who only needs a crit circlet with an atk% sub to be perfect), Bennett (who's on 4pc crimson), and Ningguang who somehow has my best build with her 2pc atk 2pc atk.
crit rolls give the largest increase in dps in the long run, but you gotta have useful subs as well or your characters will be lacking, technically I can get my wanderer to have a better crit ratio if I switch to an offset sands and an on set feather (like +10cv), but his offset feather has 13% atk which is his only piece with an atk substat, so it's insanely valuable.
Great video!
While this is more effcient i find that if you skip the artifact grind or at least shorten it youll eventually run out of characters to build which of course is mainly a lategame concern but i think it still needs to be mentioned
Did mention it at the end! Idk though - I've been playing since 2.1, and I've still got ~10 characters at level 20 completely unbuilt, and a further ~20 who are around level 70 with *lots* of work to do before they're abyss level...
@@raptori then Im likely biased as I have been playing since klees first run
@@justsomeguywithahandlebarm2456 Ahh nice! Yeah I think that's one place where the experience for people who started later is very different - there's now an overwhelming number of characters, and you usually get only low constellations for each, so it's really hard to figure out who to focus on. I made the mistake of trying to build like 20 people all at once, and really struggled due to underlevelled characters around AR30-40 or so 😅 satisfying to get past that point though!
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Crit damage is only valuable if you crit, otherwise all those stats (including crit) go down the gutter on those hits. Meanwhile the other stats are non conditional in their value. EM will always provide its value when you play, atk/hp/def/er will also always present value. Then there’s the fact that some character’s personal dmg is so low it’s a bit silly to prioritize Cr/CrD. Like Toma would be better off prioritizing EM and ER. If you get some HP%, Atk%, or Cr then take those as a nice bonus.
Not to mention had you put those resins towards guarantees such as lvls, talents, and weaps then you’d find your account naturally growing stronger. I have almost every character in the game and almost every character fully built. They may not be ideally built in terms of having the perfect matching set but they have most of the stats they need to function. Once finishing talents, a very expensive endeavor, then I can focus on slowly increasing the value of my account at the mercy of RNG gods.
To 36 star the abyss your artifacts only need to be decent in terms of consistency across your team. If anything, it’s only those occasional battle events that have stricter artifact requirements to nab those bonus weapon xp crystals.
This is to not mention that it’s very possible in the future there will be domains or enemies that modify your crit value which lowers the importance of crit. It has happened in many other games before. So I agree, don’t get hung up on spending months chasing after a 1-5% increase (maybe even decrease if you underestimate the other stats)
Very much this! I also love building characters and swapping them in and out frequently, and I HATE sharing artefacts, which means a lot of my characters, especially supports/sub DPS types, have merely "good" builds, nothing to applaud, they simply meet the requirements. Some of my most used abyss characters, like Xiangling, haven't had their artefacts updated for over 2 years, and I think if some people saw her build they'd be appalled 😂
These tools are saving my life to save time as a fresh ar45 bless you for making this vid
This video is so important. I also enjoy more self sefficiant characters.
as a player who likes flashy looking builds with high CV, I've burned myself out of the game simply because of the grind it takes to get the sets and numbers that look good. but even before then, i figured that attack versus crit is just a matter of diminishing returns. attack only goes so far, and same with crit. My Raiden has pretty okay stats (something like 50/120 but close to over 2k attack and 287 ER%) and can do an okay 60-100k with her burst. it really is just dependent on what you have for your build and what you're willing to sac to get the stats you want.
like I use skyward spine over my R5 catch because it has a way higher base attack, so her attack gets higher with Bennett, meaning the damage is only off by about ~5%, which is less than enough to make me want to switch when xiangling can just as easily use it
I generaly go for a basic whatever set not realy caring for stats to have the set bonus. Then ill start lookin for acceptable main stats replacing as i go, at this point ill take them to about +12. Lastly ill look for substats if they roll well to +20 they go.
The replaced 5 star artifacts go to a secondary character if i have one i want to build or gets it recycled otherwise.
50%ish crit rate is enough for me.
At the end of the day it is a matter of balance
This video is well fucking done. It would be even better if you use other character as example cuz normally Raiden don't use Homa as a weapon and she doesn't have crit ascension bonus so it is very rare where crit substat end up giving you less damage overall, with her BIS/The Catch, etc she would want ton of ER and crit substat much more than attack or other stat. Oh and Emblem set is just the best set to farm ever so yes getting one piece upgrade for a single character after spending 10k resin is not worth it but he must have gotten multiple decent set for multiple character like XQ, Yelan, Xiangling etc.
I think using newer character with more niche artifact set would make a better example but it was a minor nitpick, the actual information in this video is great. Completely agree with Alternate Investment and conclusion especially.
I'm not a whale and I have limited resource but I would rather get 7 different character than C6 but I do get C2 Raiden and Wanderer cuz I love them and I have C1 Nahida hoping to get her to C2 just so that I could buff more electro character like Keqing, Beidou, FIschl etc cuz I love em too. I have most of my character at lvl 90 with lvl 9 talent than grinding for more artifact but Fontaine make me addicted to artifact grinding again cuz I need the new set for my Fischl
I'm the same, I'd rather have more characters than constellations for sure. I could always make a video showing some different examples, the raiden in the video just kind of happened to have the perfect story to naturally illustrate a point I'd been wanting to cover for ages! 😁
Thank you so for watching 🥰
True, It's all about balance.
Most DPS characters requires Main scaling stat(HP/Def/Atk), CR/CD with certain ER requirements. Some high and low. Others needs EM
For Raiden specifically on standard build, she needs ER, ATK, CR, CD.
The only exception for DPS are the new Dendro bloom reactions.
All you need is just one stat. EM.
Overall, CV isn't everything.
A non-wasted stat distribution is.
When I level artifacts for my characters, I aim to have a minimum of 3 useful substats. If both are crit and the other two are useless, I'll try anyway. Sometimes the artifact just has EM, atk, and ER but as long as those are useful, it's fine! Once an artifact has two failed rolls before +20 (and counting an artifact with only 3 substats as having a failed roll already), I'll unlock it and feed it to another "maybe" artifact if one is available.
But it's worth noting that I'm not going to farm an entire domain just for one character. When I'm in Momiji-Dyed Court, I'm looking for HP for Yelan+Thoma, atk for Xiangling+my future Raiden, and DEF for Gorou. And of course I want ER for all of them, and Thoma and Gorou don't care about crit but do benefit somewhat from EM. There are many possibilities to make a piece have potential, so it doesn't feel like a waste to keep farming and farming. And on the other side, a great Shimenawa piece can be a good placeholder for a character I'm still building if it isn't good enough for my Yoimiya.
You might have noticed that Xingqiu isn't in this list. That's because Xingqiu already has excellent hydro dmg bonus artifacts so there's no reason to start his build over from scratch. Even though Emblem is his BiS, there is no way an Emblem build is going to beat the pieces I have on him when there is so much competition for Emblem pieces and none for what he's got.
Yeah I have a very similar method although I'm sometimes slightly less strict on the failed rolls; a total of 3 failed rolls **if** the the other 3 substats are very good and the other 2 rolls have gone into the "ideal" one(s) so to speak.
I agree, there's little need to rebuild a character with their BiS if you've already got a good build for them. In vast majority of cases you'd likely not improve their build much, and with Xingqiu for example his needs are so generic there are many other characters who would love to use the sae pieces especially from emblem!
For what it's worth: this video is not meant to discourage people from farming artefacts, nor is it in anyway meant to say there's no point to it at all! This video is meant to highlight that there comes a point at which the grind (if it feels like a grind) for better pieces isn't necessarily worth it, just like with your Xingqiu :)
I personally use crit value as my baseline when judging artifacts, and just eyeball secondary stats that are nice.
I usually weigh good attack% rolls more favorably than a "slight" increase in CV. But I'll often take CV over ER or EM unless it's a character that really wants more of those two stats.
My Xinqui is particularly finnicky to improve because while it'd be easy to just improve his CV, his artifacts have JUST enough ER that he can battery himself in a single Sac Sword combo. Meanwhile my Xiangling has 270% ER and still feels like she needs more.
First of all, thanks. Now I don't feel bad having ATK% main Stat on DPS characters.
A solid year of farming for substats? AR 50 here, and I feel exhausted that I don't get the set piece I want nor the main stat, by farming just a couple of days. Makes me feel lucky that I never tried abyss and never will try in the future.
I have been running 4 star HP sands on Raiden. Because I don't wanna return to that unfun grinding. It gets the job done in the over world and I get more time to just explore various places. Even the ones I have been to before, feels fun to explore.
Honestly, once your characters reach abyss level builds, fighting in the overworld becomes less fun as the overworld enemies are so much weaker :/
I very much enjoy the abyss still and I have my trusty crowd that's built for that, but I realised I almost never use many of those characters in the OW precisely because they're too powerful!
@@saurusness You have a really good point. My characters are barely built and I face some difficulties in the overworld in daily basis. Probably that's the whole reason I like over world fights, instead of finding it boring. In the end, it worked out how I wish to play the game.
But respect to you for building and maximising potentials of characters for the abyss. I usually put whatever in my team and play with a very bad and inconsistent rotation. So, I can see it's a bit of work to be good at abyss.
Also, I do play traveller DPS. So, yeah, you can see why I wouldn't try abyss.
i was doing artifact domains for 2 months and only got 1 hyperbloom piece, i felt so burnt out but hate wasting resin. started doing talent books and now im doing mora. mora is always 60k, no variance its nice when you feel bummed out
The crit thing is something of a conundrum with others like Xiao: who perfectly abuses Vermillion not just because of the proc mechanic but the Atk% it gives on top of his own Dmg% sources. Also I've actually farmed enough mats to get his ER to 141% while maintaining a respectable 75/186 ratio with 4pc Vermillion when I transition to a PJWS, which even if somewhat low, actually far outclasses my current 70/197 ratio with other weapons. I mention this because of the whole upcoming crit set that he can also use and some are frothing at the idea when it could probably be not worth it
That said, great video
My Raiden is C0 and Skyward Spine, and using the Genshin Optimizer I found that for my build, your new Crit Sands would have performed worse for me than the ATK% Sands, and both performed worse than the ATK% main stat Sands she's currently wearing. But the only reason I checked is because I still thought your Crit one would've been much better... the more you know.
great video. earned a sub from this guy
honestly I've become desensitized to good artifacts going bad. to the point where I don't have any expectations for them. if it rolls good Pog; if it rolls bad it's whatever
The thing with crit is you need two stats for it to work, but the effect grows multiplicatively.
The huge crit damage will not help you unless you have crit rate above the certain level. And then, having your CR higher than the certain amount (which is different depending on the character, team, and other bonuses) will bring no effect whatsoever.
And no, this is not about balancing crits 2:1, just forget it already. There is no such thing, get it? Crit rate is more important in the beginning, when you don't really have much. Each percent below 50% is a huge deal. But after you hit the ceiling, there is no benefit at all.
Crit damage on the other hand have no ceiling, but it only matters as long as you can land a crit hit. If you have only 20% chance of doing so, your actual crit damage value is as low as 1:5 when compared to attack percentage stat.
So before you evaluate your artifact, have a look at the character stat summary. Each percent of CR changes the value of your CD.
the fact people go so crazy on an easy game like genshin is craazy for me, but I appreciate the effort.
The point of this video is to say that you don't *have to* go as crazy as some people would have you believe - you don't need perfection to fully clear even the hardest content :D
i have understood your explanation from someone else. Although I know that crit value is not everything, sometimes i still throw away artifacts which are useable, but low crit value just for a better crit value one. because i like to see high crit value. maybe it's just an obsession
I think it's only a problem when people feel "bad" about their artefacts, or get too frustrated with them(or worse, mock others for their artefacts), otherwise everyone has their own preference, and what you do with your artefacts doesn't affect anyone else! 😊
I'm at the other end of the extreme where I'm too much of a hoarder to throw away anything even vaguely usable and hence my artefact inventory is bursting to the brim at all times 😅
i consider myself an artifact hoarder who still collect artifacts eventho i have had 260 gold artifacts with decent subs :v@@saurusness
What’s funny is I just finished my raiden build. Like I finished it, got up to get food and clicked this video to watch right after. It’s only been about a month of me running the emblem domain though, not in one shot, and I don’t know what else I would have done so I don’t feel too bad 😂
When leveling artifacts, look at how many useful stats/roll values it has. When gearing characters, pay attention to the stat balance between different artifacts and adjust accordingly based on what artifacts you have available to you. In the end I find it easiest to try to balance ATK%, CDMG% and DMG Bonuses roughly evenly, with a slight bias to the latter 2 stats, and for Crit Rate I just aim for 70-80%, or as close as I can get to those stats.
It's not often I watch Genshin videos that go into the numbers because I largely ignore them 😅 but this was very interesting!
It's hard for me to justify the effort artifact optimization requires when highly optimized teams are only useful for time-gated fights. The only place it matters are events (which are typically easy to get most/all the rewards), exploration battles with the red bell (95% extremely easy), and of course spiral abyss where imo the rewards arent worth the effort. I basically stopped playing spiral abyss after I hit AR 60 in 3.1 because I realized the time and effort to do the frustrating fights was less fun to me than just walking around the world or playing another game, all for another 3 and a half wishes or whatever. I can get 34-36* basically every time but if i hate it what's the point. 😆
My newer characters have something like 25% CR and 85% CD and I dont even notice for 90% of content. In fact its more fun because I dont one-shot everything instantly like i do with my Yelan or Itto. Unless they give me reason not to, I'm gonna keep playing like that for the most part.
Yeah those last couple of stars give 50 primos, so it's really not worth it for that. Sounds like you've got a much healthier way of playing than the vast majority do tbh! 😂 I keep doing it because at this point when I do struggle to get 36* it feels more like a puzzle, and I tend to figure it out within an hour anyway, so it doesn't end up getting frustrating. Beyond that I'd definitely just skip!
And yeah good point about having lower crit being more fun in the overworld... same goes for the characters who are "bad" - they're usually better balanced for being fun in the overworld!
@@raptori that's been my experience at least! And I can't knock people for enjoying Sp Abyss. The puzzle mentality is interesting! I like things that are mechanically demanding (instead of intellectually) a bit more when it comes to combat. Genshin doesn't particularly excel at that so I enjoy it for different reasons. :) Underwater stuff has been SO fun for me because the focus is so far away from the combat.
I agree I think you have a super healthy attitude towards the game/spiral abyss, and I love that 😊 I'm with raptori int hat I still see the tougher abysses as a bit of a puzzle, so solving that puzzle is quite enjoyable, but I no longer try to build new people into "abyss condition" if it doesn't happen naturally.
Funnily enough though, I think some crit heads would be horrified by my Xiangling's build (she has no crit at all, only attack and ER as she's still running with artefacts from 2 years ago), and yet she has carried every abyss and to this day does hahah
Fontaine has revitalised my love for exploration again, especially the underwater parts 🥰Also yes agree that when your character are too strong they're far less fun in the OW!
Skill based is SO much better than RNG I 100% agree.
Still, I tend to lean in favor of high crit (edit i mean CRIT RATE) since all my characters that nevefit from criticals tend to already have everything else going for them or even to an excess. Also when will 120FPS be added for PC genshin?
Usability, versatility and flexibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximized Damage output
Great work ! I've been player for 3 years, my advice would to upgrade a lot of different caracters with different elements for abyss. It's ok to not have the best artefacts ! 70-80% efficiency is enough, try to optimize your caracter if you really love it and want to be proud but thats all. Generaly your best caracters are the ones where you're lucky and not the ones you want !
You will go crazy if you try to hard farm, I spent like 3 months for my tartaglia
Very much this! I also find I more satisfying to fnish up people's talents than I do endlessly rolling artefacts for the same character, and in the end you get you'll benefit far more from a diverse build roster than a couple of hyper invested characters!
I'm only missing a handful of 5 stars I chose to skip, and almost everyone else is fully built and fully equipped at all times (no sharing equipment), and I like it that way as it allows me to swap teams on a whim without having to rebuild people every time and easily test different teams ☺
@@saurusness Totaly agree with you ! I think that's the best way to play Genshin Impact. At least for me 😁
Nice video.. the content is very informative.
thank you! 💖