Is it even possible to fix Aloy? Genshin character review!
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- When it comes to Genshin character ratings, Aloy is so far down the list that she might as well not exist. On the rare occasions that she does get mentioned, it’s to dismiss her as irrelevant and underwhelming.
Sadly, there’s a lot of truth in that.
But since she’s one of my favourite videogame characters, I find myself coming back to her occasionally, and trying to find a way to make her shine.
A couple of weeks ago, on a whim I paired her with Furina …and may have discovered something.
Does Furina fix Aloy? It’s a little complicated.
00:00 Intro
00:32 Who is Aloy, and why do I care?
01:45 Why is she in Genshin?
03:06 How does she work?
04:37 How is she broken?
06:06 How would I fix her?
07:34 What I tried
09:04 What I discovered
10:11 What are its flaws?
12:06 Can she beat the abyss?
13:52 Verdict
14:30 Conclusion
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Some people have had a little more trouble getting furina to trigger aloy's cryo infusion, and we're a little unsure as to why this might be since there are so many things affecting it and it's impossible to tell what the the difference in other people's set up is. It's possible ping plays a huge role for example. I did struggle to get it to trigger in the abyss against PMA, for anyone wondering. In general, for me the success rate of getting the first 3 triggers within a couple of seconds of using her skill has been over 90% regardless of the other 2 members of the team, but your mileage may wary! 💜
It's not that hard to proc, Kazuha is a good partner and permanent partner for Aloy. Jean is also a solution it's actually fun to learn how to quickshot the bombs with Jean skill.
Learning also how to lure enemies towards the bombs is also a really good tactic I've learned from play ing with her for so long
After testing, my current theory is that the Furina's summons might just affect the trajectory of the chillwater bomblets only at the time of impact when Aloy throws her skill.
It seems like the bomb distribution is tighter if the summons are also closer.
And if a summon is able to delay that contact by staggering the timing of bomb contacts, that might be just enough to get past her coil stacking cooldown....but that's just a theory. A genshin theory.
You might want to try Thoma instead of Xiangling cause he mostly build of er and he pump alot of pyro, also he doesnt do much damage and give some much welcome stagger resistance
Ah! I really want to try more team with Aloy now but she it forever lost to my account
Why not try Sunfire Melt?
I will go test if Furina and Kazuha together can proc Aloy's cryo infusion consistently. I consider 90% more than enough and a huge win.
The fact that Aloy doesn't deal extra dmg to machine enemies leaves me borderline insane
No character has a buff like that so it’d be weird for her to be the only one
@@LilyLiam23well, there are weapons that deal more dmg to slimes
@@LilyLiam23 nope
@@LilyLiam23i dont think you get what he meant 😢
@@LilyLiam23would make sense if she had that bonus cuz she isn't from this world plus expert when dealing with machinery enemies
Furina has brought justice to Aloy
Archon of the people 🥺💜
She did justice to many other characters too .truly archon of justice
What a fun video. I was getting tired of the overpopulation of meta-teams videos, guides and tier lists. This felt refreshing, unique, and a lot more personal. Not to mention, it was very well constructed. I'm happy you found a team to play with your very much loved character, I might try Alloy myself one of these days as I also loved HZD.
If you want more, there's a whole playlist of different character reviews along these lines! 😁 ua-cam.com/play/PL9ZYbPkYPaHN8z-E33LB7b4VLyayFHnfJ.html
@@raptori thanks!
Ikr.. i especially love watching videos about low usage characters, like Aloy, Xinyan, Amber, etc.. it amazes me how people can make use of the characters that most people deemed so bad or unusable..
I love the story-focused nature of your videos. Pretty unique as far as most Genshin creators are concerned
omg I had built aloy ages ago and although she did fine, I never really felt comfortable bringing her into abyss with me. I'm so happy she has a chance to shine now!!!
YEs in the overworld she has always been plenty mroe than good enough, and there were a few times early on where i brought her as a cryo burst support into the abyss (in a triple cryo freeze team againt the hydro lector things 😂)
But she needs constellations
Around the time when Kirara was released, the game received an update where HoYo fixed the bombs for Klee, Kirara and Aloy, but didn't specify what exactly they changed. It can be assumed that they made the bombs to explode more easily. Maybe that's what made Aloy gain her stacks a lot easier than before. When I tried Aloy after a very long time of not touching her I noticed that it's a lot easier to gain her infusion. Haven't tried her with Furina, but after this video I definitely will! I got interested in Aloy again because I've got Thundering Pulse but didn't get Yoimiya, and Aloy is the only character besides physical Fischl and Childe (who I don't have) who can utilize its passive. She's far from being the strongest character, but still quite fun to play!
That was 3.8. "Fixes an issue whereby in specific situations, Kirara's Cat Grass Cardamoms, Klee's bombs, and Aloy's Chillwater Bomblets will not go off upon contacting opponents."
@@MorbidEel oh, so they did specify it. I thought it said something like "changed the bombs logic/behavior". Good thing they've fixed it, but a shame is took such a long time
Do that's what happened recently! I remember levelling her up and playing her even before I got Ganyu in 2.3 and then abandoning her, benching. Until recently, a few friends and I were doing the bosses on a randomised challenge (we often do 10 bosses for the BP that way, it's definitely more fun than just doing 10 bosses on your own) where we co-op and randomise a list of 10 bosses and for each boss everyone randomizes a character, you also can't have the same character more than once. So, this time, I got Aloy for PMA and I noticed I was instantly getting the infusion. I thought it was something about the boss but likely it's due to these fixes
@@andris404 In particular it was because of the Desert Dorito Mechs - if you threw Aloy's Bomb at them and then used Kazuha's Grouping, somehow the bomblets would then hover ON TOP OF THE DORITOMECH but not go off. It was very annoying.
Also I think those mechs could sometimes unironically push the bomblets if they floated through them.
“Let’s discuss who she is and why I care” is me every time I talk about Aloy lol
There’s something so satisfying seeing people creatively make unusual teams that end up working really well
...and none of them contains Aloy.
It's really lovely hearing you so positive about a character that's been looked down upon by the community! I'm glad you were able to make her work, and thank you for sharing with us!
even if I didn't love her from her own franchise, I think I always have a thing for the underdog 😂 Plus making a character whose kit isn't perhaps quite as smooth as others' is it's own kind of special puzzle 😁
As someone who got Aloy to level 90 on day 1 of her debut (Ps4 player) and also have been asking for her constellations for over 2 years now, I salute you and congratulate you for making this video. I'm gonna try this team to make my gameplay more varied.
I'm leaving my like, this comment for the algorithm and a subscription.
Dedication! Maybe if a lot of us keep asking maybe… a small hope that maybe we would get her constellations.
My immediate thought when you’ve said that Furina fixed Aloy was, actually, running atk% goblet on Aloy as Furina provides a lot of all dmg%, so you can get decent numbers no matter how much stacks you’ve gained.
Surprisingly, you’ve found something way more interesting.
As a big fan of underappreciated characters, I salute you for never forgetting to check on your favorite character despite their originally lackluster kit. More power to you and your Aloy!
I’m an Amber main, and when Aloy first came out, I ran her with Amber, Kazuha and Kokomi. It’s a really fun freeze/melt team, since Kazuha Carrie’s Amber and Ally’s bombs with his skill.
Amber mains and aloy mains 🤝💜
good video! furina and hunter's set make soo many characters shine
I really liked these little progress bars throughout the video
Thank you! 💜
If Aloy didn't exist, I wouldn't have found amazing people to play with (you and a certain Raptor) and I would have stayed on the "I give up" train of people who started Genshin but got frustrated because they didn't have anyone to play with when help was needed to slay one of the bosses in that horrible ar35-45 area. She'll never be a bad idea to me, I wish we'd had the chance to experience what they may have had planned for her if only the game hadn't been delayed. I can't wait for another chance at Furina now since I might actually invest in my poor Aloy with her to make her shine 😍Thank you for testing things and explaining them in a way we all understand 💜
Originally I got all mooshy about the way Aloy has essentially brought some of the BESt people into my life but we had to cut the script a little since it was rather long 😎💜
I was so unbelievably excited about this discovery that even though I did hours and hours of experiement, I'm hoping there's still some new trick to make things work even better!! Also here's to hoping future character will be the missing pieces 🥰
i half expected they would tie her constellations to in-game progression in forbidden west. like after beating a chapter you find one of six mysterious codes that you plug in to the genshin code redeem thing. all i would want from constellations is removing the ICD on her coil stacks and when she uses her burst she instantly enters/extends the rushing ice state. I'm gonna write them out like I'm a dev cuz it's fun:
C1: Aloy gains a second charge to her elemental skill.
C2: The 0.1s cooldown on Aloy's bombs' coil stack gain is reduced to 0s. Additionally, using Aloy's elemental burst puts her in the rushing ice state immediately. If used when already in the rushing ice state, its cooldown is reset.
C3: The level of Aloy's normal attacks is increased by 3.
C4: When Aloy attacks a frozen enemy or freezes an enemy, she generates one cryo particle. This effect has a cooldown of 5 seconds.
C5: The level of Aloy's elemental burst is increased by 3.
C6: Using Aloy's elemental skill immediately puts her in the rushing ice state and resets its cooldown. Additionally, when Aloy hits frozen enemies or enemies affected by cryo with her normal attacks, she gains 15% attack speed and 100% crit damage for 10s. This effect can not stack.
Your hypothetical cons are almost precisely what I've had in mind as well!! 👏
And the things is, if they were worried she'd be "too powerful" and thus people wouldn't wish for limited 5 stars - first of all they were wrong because many of us wish for character regardless of power, but because we like them, and second they could have just reduced her scalings a tiny bit and made her a 4 star! I would have been perfectly happy with that personally.
Yeah that would've been interesting! Those cons would be perfect, wish they'd just go back and add them...
Not bad i think those constellations could actually work if it was implemented in to the game
These cons are perfect for her.
As someone with a lvl 90 Aloy because I exploited the 1 mora exp bug when she was released, I've been waiting for news like this.
Considering Aloy has less than a 1% playrate anyways, needing Furina on the team isn't bad. Aloy doesn't have constellations, and Furina can be used in other teams, so I'd say it's a worthy investment
Funny enough, the Aloy Stella Fortuna item exist in the game data, it's just unobtainable, and of course does nothing if you somehow manage to get the item
12:15 That's an Oven team, and Alloy acting as the on-fielder for the team is genius, she gets to apply a lot of cryo that xiangling can melt and also increases the number of dendro cores generated by baizhu and furina. To improve it, change xiangling to Thoma and set him on a full EM build. I'll have to try that team, too bad her personal damage is so bad
It’s more accurate to call it a Bain-Marie team, invented by @Zajef77. Aloy doesn’t apply enough cryo to get rid of the pyro aura (especially because of Xiangling’s no ICD), which allows Aloy to melt and even Furina to vaporize. But occasionally, a few dendro cores can appear which allows Xiangling to burgeon.
@Zajef77 initially made this team for Wriothesley, since he has similar cryo application to Aloy using his normal attacks. Very cool to see another application of this team comp other than Wriothesley.
Is there another way I could set up this team without Baizhu? I don’t have him and I wondered if I could set it up with maybe Nahida or Dendro MC and a Superhealer Bennet? Or something else even. I love love Aloy and would be super excited to try out this team if I could
@@lethaldoseofweird9511neither nahida nor DMC heal, so they wouldn't go well with furina, plus DMC's burst is delicate when having a pyro teammate since furina's pokemon would be unlikely to hit it with hydro so that it doesn't explode from a pyro hit, if you reeeeealy want to make it work you can use a full healing Bennett, with an energy weapon and HP, HP, healing bonus mains stats, or even ditching noblesse and going for something like maiden's beloved or other full healing set
@@lethaldoseofweird9511i just tried this team with Jean instead of Baizhu and achieved 9 stars on Floor 12 of the Abyss
@@alec.dayupay I've seen this before Zajef give them lame names, can we all call these teams other names rather than stroking ego?
I've loved aloy as a character for a while now, but i only recently got into genshin. I'm feeling very upset that she hasn't come back and probably never will, but it's cool to see people still trying to give her a shot
Always nice to see a video uplifting under-appreciated characters. Glad you've experienced the joy of finding a team they feel valuable in, like I have.
I prefer using Aloy in a Freeze team with Rosaria/Shenhe, Jean, and Furina. Jean in particular is godsend here because, on top of being able to double Swirl Hydro and Cryo with ease and keep the the team healthy, her held skill allows me to slowly and carefully maneuver Aloy's bomblets so that only one goes of at a time, making max Coils stack generation much more consistent.
Funnily enough I hadn't thoguht to try jean with furina prior to uploading, but it's the perfect combo because: furina triggers a very quick 2-3 stack (usually 3 but well, it's not 100% guaranteed), and jean can help trigger the 1-2 remaining precisely as you said! Since Jean can also heal furina's HP drain thus help buff, that leaves space for shenhe! 😁
Thank you for this vid. It's really nice to see more Aloy gameplay! I've not seen much (since I don't have her), and as so often, it's usually someone poo-pooing her as a character and that doesn't make a good watch imo. This was wonderful, as usual. Making things make sense, and sharing your love for the game, is contagious and refreshing. 💜❄
Thank you so much 💜
Holy shit I gasped so hard when you figured furinas companions to do that! I always got frustrated on paying aloy despite really enjoying the idea of her kit and character, now i can finally give it another shot and have some fun, for this vid you definitely deserce a sub ❤
A few people in the comments have tried it and it's not been working for everyone, seems like it might be some other interaction rather than just her companions attacks directly triggering them - but even when it doesn't work, Furina/Aloy combination is a massive improvement on her previous teams imo so still well worth a shot. Hope it works for you too!
You really said, "I can fix her." 😂
But nice video. Aloy really got done so dirty, and I like that Furina magically fixes her bomb problem. She actually has so much wasted potential. She could have been a weak-point focused archer. Do additional damage to mechanical enemies. And constellations could have 100% fixed her.
Also, the heck where they thinking with her signiture weapon?
The lengths we go to for our favourites 😅 Truly though, it alsmot feels like she was made good, and then as an afterthought handicapped to prevent her from being "too good", and in general her element and kit functionality were odd choices lore wise.. For now I'm happy with furina's effect, and looking forward to future characters "completing" the team 😁
this video is a master piece ngl, the storytelling is so on point that made me want an alloy 😭
Since Dehya is now on the standard banner which makes 2 Pyro characters in that Banner. It now gives the possibility of multiple characters of the same element in the standard banner (I hope). With that logic in mind, Hoyo should just put her in the standard banner so that we can see what Aloy's true potential is through her constellation since there is no other way to get them as of today.
I'm assuming it has to do with monetization on the part of Sony, which is probably why she hasn't gotten an event banner rerun. They'll want a cut of whatever she makes and I'm wondering if not putting her on the standard banner was part of the deal with Sony as well.
@@heihei3453 so it all boils down to corporate intentions eh. Sigh, money always wins with these people. 😅 Its a shame that Aloy and Aloy enjoyers can't really show her full potential. I just home things will have a turn somehow. Great video BTW. :)
What a terrible idea. I did NOT wait 365 days for her to expire in my mailbox for this. I wanted her gone, and now that she is gone, I don't need any possibility of her coming back.
this was such a positive video, im so happy for you getting her to work!! as someone with oceanid trauma and thus longing for a cryo catalyst (that isn't melee...) i was delighted with her upon release. i didn't really get to use her outside of commissions, but im still happy to have her on the off chance i ever have to go fight that thing again 😂
Thank you! 😁💜
Loved watching the thought process and the testing with different characters kits! Helps to really understand how they all work and combine. Amazing.
Thank you! 🥰
I absolutely love how you edit the video! Having the title of the topic and a little time bar underneath it is incredible
With Aloy I wouldn't be surprised if Hoyo went out of their way to make her bad on purpose like they did with the Dhaya. Given how much hoyo versus seems to hate doing crossovers in their games it really wouldn't surprise me.
Oh ma gashhhh, should I finally build up my Aloy? I actually like how she feels with her animations.
Doubt she’ll ever make it to Abyss, but for overworld exploration, she’ll be fine.
For OW she's brilliant with or without her best teams honestly!
12:59 Congratulation! You just (re)discovered Bain-Marie!
I'm glad you've found a home for your fav character. I'd say keep trying new teams with each new characters and you'll never know what fit!
I absolutely love Horizon. I was so encapsulated by the way they narrated the story! I haven't had a chance to play Forbidden West though. I hope it's just as amazing as the original. 😊
I started HFW but then my life and schedules got so hectic I haven't had the time to sit down and finish it which greatly annoys me because I waited for that sequel for almost 5 years!
I'm pretty confident it'll completely consume me for X number of days so I have to make sure I have the time set aside, but I reall can't wait to properly play through it 💜
@@saurusness oh I'm sure you'll enjoy it more if you're able to immerse yourself in the world. Hope you get some time first it soon. 😁
No matter what new artifacts or supports that comes out, if the root of the problem is the underwhelming design nothing will change.
wow i dont think anyone would have find out about this weird tech if not for your love of the forgotten aloy! though not meta-defining, it’s definitely interesting. maybe in the future we might get a pyro full party healer with great pyro application that works well with furina and in this niche aloy setup lol natlan pull through!
As someone who loves a lot of non-meta characters and plays the heck out of them out of love and spite, I've been trying different builds and teams for Aloy ever since i got her - can't wait to try these combos!
If you ahve the, definitely giev a go to Furina/shenhe/jean/ aloy - I honestly can't believe I didn't try that one before uploading 😅
THANK U FOR TALKING ABOUT ALOY 😭😭😭 i rarely see anything positive about her i try to play her in coop and i get kicked with ‘’disgusting aloy mains’’ and other stuff
This made me smile a lot. I do think that Pets have attacks that can trigger them but also Aloy, Klee and Kirara had a change to their bombs, making them easier to trigger. Now i dont have Furina to test it out for myself but i believe u. Thanks for talking about my fav huntress it really made my day 🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵
damn some people are really nasty :( I love aloy to bits of course, but I'll never understand the hate some people have for another person who's maining a character they don't like??
Ok having only just started this video I'll first say this:
We Aloy Mains have been having a grand ole time with Aloy before Furina. Now among the vocal Aloy Mains you'd think the most popular playstyle would be Melt teams with her, but it seems like according to the game's recommended Artifacts, it was Freeze teams.
So my personal favourite Freeze Aloy (dubbed Freezeloy, possibly by me actually) is Aloy, Shenhe, Kaz and Yelan. It's a team where Aloy does a lot of damage during her Ice Rush duration, and if you're using Thundering Pulse, Aloy can be played as an Energy Funnel for Shenhe as well. And then Kaz can double swirl Cryo and Hydro so there's a lot of damage going around. We're talking 20-40k normal attacks during Ice Rush which is pretty nice.
What FURINA brings to the table is the fact you can run Marechausee on Aloy. Which means you can play a Freeze team that still does all the Crits against Bosses. Now granted this is a team where you'll need a healer (I haven't yet figured out the playstyle for a healer less Shenhe Kaz variant), but with Mika and Song of Days Past, at least I have had great success so far and it's very smooth to play.
"But Aloy does noth-" in a 25s rotation (coz I play loose rotations, tight rotations are for speed runners) Aloy is doing damage for 10-12s, but still manages to do 40% of the team's total rotation damage (Furina does 53% but she's always doing damage) so is that Nothing? I'd say you'd have to be a real hater to claim nothing is happening.
Anyway sorry that's my rant. 😅
I love Aloy to bits so I've used the same team as you multiple times, but I definitely ran into the issue of inconsistency with triggering her coil stacks, so a lot of the time she was mostly skill + burst quick swapping, vs with furina I consistently got an instant 3 stack and the 4th was all but guaranteed in the vast majority of situations! 😁
@@saurusness as I mentioned to old mate on the Subreddit you're already doing pretty much what I do so... Best advice I could offer is practice haha. Yeah it's real touch and go sometimes
Man.. Found your channel today and your voice made me so chill, so calm that i felt asleep in minutes! Thank u! I was having bad nights with no sleep at all FOR DAYS! Instantly subscribed! And your content is AWESOME! ❤❤❤❤
Omg this is such a sweet comment 🥺💜 I've suffered from severe bouts of insomnia most of my life, so I know the struggle all too well.. Glad you got some rest 🤗
So happy this exists! Aloy is so much fun with this trick.
Really really hoping future characters will make her even mroe viable 💜
just dusted my Aloy off thinking that she could have some weird synergy with Furina, and then this video pops up, glad to know someone else had the same idea
but yeah Furina Aloy teams are a blast to play, just a shame that I have to constantly steal Yomiya's Bow to make it work lol, might be time to finally level up my Amos bow
13:10 "burning leading to vaporizes and melts for furina and aloy. much of the time however, it behaves more of a fridge burgeon team"
this team is actually called 'Bain-marie' and the premium cryo option is wriothesley. kinda funny how you arrived almost with the same team as the theory crafter who coined the name 😂
i love how much you loce this character and how you constantly come back to try to make her work. your discovery is so cool! i dont have Aloy but im very happy for u! fun vid to watch 🥰
respect to see an aloy main... probably the rarest group of mains...
huh. the way i fixed aloy was by extending her charge attack times to deal splash damage, changing her skill to a single burst of cryo (no more bombs), and then making the burst an extended period of continuous aoe cryo. she also grew horns.
I love that your connection with HZD ushered in such a refreshing video. I didn’t know much about her kit until you explained it and its flaws. It was fun to see then how Katrina could help “fix her” - made for an exciting journey towards the conclusion for the viewer 😊 excellently constructed vid. Also I love the added interface that shows what you’re talking about and how long you’re talking about it. Well done ❤❤
Who’s Katrina
@@1mol831 I think this is a bot comment, look at how it's written lol.
@@yveltalsea Hahah it's an in-joke from Saurus's twitch/discord community - we all have a bad habit of typoing a lot, and always lean into them, @OG_Mela gives Furina a random similar name every time 😅
KATRINA 😭 also hank you mela 💜
@@yveltalsea haha alas no, mela's a real person and part of the community, the "katrina" is just an in joke that has morphed through several phases after a few unfortunate typos became a "meme" 😅
This was so entertaining to watch with the narrative of it, just lovely. Subscribed!!
I hope that if there’s another crossover character like aloy, then they give some way to get constellations for aloy. My idea was to have a hangout quest that becomes available when you own her and rewards constellations for every ending
That would have been amazing! But I'm guessing hoyo didn't get paid enough to put in more effort 😔
Wow, I am so happy you found this little trick out and shared it with us. It's so cool Aloy finally works.
Furina dosnt Trigger the mines.
We got baited
I always wanted to build aloy and this video was the final push i needed to finally do it. Thank you!
Ee hope you have fun with it! 😁 I'll probably make a follow up video in the future covering my favourite teams and what situations they do or don't work in, but it'll take some time to properly test things out, and in the meanwhiel we gotta hope this sin't a bug hoyo will "fix" 💀
This might seem like a small thing but I love that you have a line that tracks where we are in each section of the video. All round this is a brilliant video and so fascinating to see what you tried with Aloy ❤
I LOVE THIS SO MUCH THANK YOU FOR THIS HUGE DISCOVERY
You can try Bennett on a superhealer build (4pc Maiden ER/HP/Healing) when played with Furina.
You still need to do some extra micromanagement to spread out the healing ticks, but they become large enough that they can instantly fill up a character and/or trigger overflow to team.
What a breath of fresh air! I love that the algorithm recommended your video to me. I’ve never played horizon games, but I’m so inclined to try it now.
I have played with Aloy before, but after awhile she kinda became a wardrobe of artifact sets for another character… I have nothing against her, and I thought it was going to be temporary…
But after watching this I am going to play with her again. Congratulations on 36 stars with Aloy! I feel that is so hard to mak nowadays with non meta teams.
Thank you so much! 💜
Recently I tried this combo in the new vibro-crystal event (though i replaced Xiangling with Bennet because of their levels).
Something I noticed is that if you swap Aloy while she is in her cryo infusion state, she won't lose the infusion unlike other characters like Hu-tao. This is a great qol that will allow her to do quick emergency rotations. It was quite helpful during the event.
Oh yes that's true!
Great video! The narration was fluid that it kept me watching from start to end :D
Keep it up!
Thank you so much! 💜
This was very nice to watch, thank you! I should give her some testing too
This is such a great video! I recently dusted off my own Aloy to try her out on marechaussee with Furina too, and was pleasantly surprised that she actually did pretty well! It's fun to play with unconventional units :D I wish she'd gotten treated better by HYV, but I'm glad there are new ways to make her work since I do find her quite fun!
with my plans go pull for furina in just two months. it's a huge relief to see that aloy may actually see use on my account. i really wanted to use her, but could never truly justify it given my focus on geo focused characters. only recently leaning more into reactions and finding that- while simply brute forcing it ( geo ) may be fun, i genuinely do enjoy seeing reactions pop off. it will be a nice little thing to experiment with! Thank you for this video.
9:44 Sadly, that doesn't work. The easiest way to test this is to stand at a cooking pot like in Inazuma City (Furina's pets constantly target the cooking pot). Now when you use the Elemental Skill with Aloy, one, sometimes two bomblets are usually triggered when they touch the cooking pot after the initial hit, as it has its own hitbox. The rest stay put and Furina's summons can hit the bomblets as often as they want, nothing will happen.
Very large enemies (such as the Ruin Enemies) have very large hitboxes and even small movements or animations can trigger the bomblets. In the artifact domain you show it is therefore very easy to generate all 4 coil stacks.
We're not saying that the summons will target the bombs, but that *something* is triggering them, and that it's been happening even when the enemies are permafrozen - the only thing moving is the summons. Since they definitely don't target the bombs directly, the only thing we could think of was that maybe their attacks have a small AoE, which could then trigger the bombs if they're close enough? Not sure how to test that either way though.
It could absolutely be just sample bias, and that we'd gotten unlucky when testing with e.g. Kokomi in place of Furina, but if that's the case then it's super odd that it's been so consistent for us on two separate accounts!
yep noticed that too and you can also clearly see in the video that aloy only accidentally triggers the 4 coil stacks against the two lawachurls during the abyss showcase. 🙁
@@TianSongun It's always happened at random - for example 7:22 it doesn't even hit the enemy properly and jumps straight to 4 stacks - it's more a question of consistency. Which does make it susceptible to luck and sample size... it's been *really* consistent for both of us though.
@@raptori Ruin Cruiser, Ruin Grader etc. can trigger the bombs with their Aoe. In the clip at 9:42, if you pay attention, you can see that a Ruin Cruiser hits Aloy with its AoE during her burst animation. Since her bomblets are in the AoE raidus at this time, they got triggered. The reason why the runs with Kokomi resulted in less triggering is probably because Kokomi has a significantly larger hydro application radius and therefore freezes not just one or two, but all enemies. This means that none of the opponents can move or attack anymore. However, that is just a guess.
@@viewsloo581 Ooh yeah that could be it - and since Aloy's burst has such a big radius they'd definitely have cryo applied too 🤔
I only started playing Genshin towards the end of 2022, so I missed Aloy. But looking at her design and origin I feel like it would have been better both lore wise and skill wise if she came out later and her element was Dendro. I think it fits her better based on what little I know about her (haven’t played horizon). That and dendritic is just broken I think any character with a bad kit who isn’t dendritic would be massively improved and buffed just be being dendro.
Possible - if I remember correctly she has some poison arrows available in the game, though the most commonly used ones were fire, ice, and electricity... Honestly they could've given her any element and it'd have worked, but I did always feel like electro would've been more appropriate, but would have been noticeably worse than she is already.
Hopefully they'll get around to doing a full crossover event someday, and everyone who doesn't have her can get her!
I agree! It was hoenstly always a bit weird that they chose to make her cryo, since even thoguh she can shoot cryo arrows, those are by no means her signature! In the game there are fire, electro, ice, and poison (dendro? 👀) arrows, as well as ones that explode in various ways, so I would've thought the more logical choice for element would have been pyro, OR she should have been a fully physical unit where the cryo is just there to help her super conduct!
I'm still disappointed that she doesn't use ruin guard drops as her ascension mat (and it's not just because it would have meant i could have levelled her before inazuma)@@saurusness
@@Theachen7 Yeah I'll never understand that. It would've also been cool if her boss material had been one of the robot bosses!
HONESTLY THIS @@Theachen7 Such a missed opportunity! I also kind of think she should've used the PMA as her boss since her ascension mats were in inazuma anyway, but they really went for this ice team for some reason....
they really should add a dungeon/ instance to farm for matts/constellation/ for her and when you get that stuff then it turns into another artifact instance for cryo users.
Thanks for the video and sharing your discovery!! I will try her out 😍 And hopefully post a video! She's already at lvl 80 for me anyway :3
amazing video, thanks! i leveled her up when she came out and also tried to make her work ❤
this is crazy i never thought that i would see aloy actually being able to clear the abyss
I honestly didn't either 😅 I have used her as a burst support/battery in the past, but as oon as I got shenhe I had no more need for tha
I mean... I've been clearing Spiral Abyss for a good while with Aloy haha
I did'nt even have Aloy and I'm also Not interested in her, but fund myself watching the whole video.. Your way of telling a story and giving a introduction into the video is really unique! You are underrated. Thank you for your work and effort!
Great video! Regarding Furina triggering Aloys bombs, did you check if the summons walking into the bombs triggers them instead of the attacks?
I do not have Aloy to test this, but I checked with Kirara and neither the summons walking into them nor their attacks trigger her bombs, so either Aloys bombs work differently, or it is simply the summons pushing the bombs into enemies that increases the consistency. My current guess is that it is just them pushing the bombs, as I see that with Kirara, though the hitboxes are a bit odd (in my brief testing I never saw the crab push them, for example)
I'm so happy about that. I love the Horizon franchise and I wish Aloy was better in Genshin. But with Furina it becomes possible for Aloy to cross the abyss. It's a shame I only started playing recently and I don't have her😢
9:40 After further testing, it is not Furina that triggers Aloy's bombs. The true culprit was Dendro Cores generated through bloom reaction. With this in mind, there's finally a reliable way to force her grenades to explode at separate intervals.
This is not only limited to Aloy, kirara's Burst also behave the same way as Aloy's bombs. I'm not sure whether the same thing happens with Klee or not as I don't have her on my account, but Dendro Cores *should* be able to trigger them as well!
UPDATE: There's more to it than just bloom, needs more testing.
During covid, the wife and I feel in absolute love with aloy. The horizon series is amazing. Unfortunately, I had quit genshin at the time, and life was doing life things at the time. Missed out on getting her
Damn I'm sorry about that 😔 I really wish they'd make her re-redeemable somehow..
Very cool interaction, nice work, will definetely try it out for fun
Mad props to you for finding a use for your Aloy! The team does look fun.
i got aloy when i was low AR and a long way from inazuma (and i didn't have your dedication lol), and while i was always planning to lvel her when i got to inazuma, sadly she's been sitting unused as over time i got other characters that made more sense to level first. which was a shame as i think i'd have really enjoyed using her early game when i didn't have as many characters. while i don't need to level her now, i'd quite like to simply to have fun with her in the overworld. and as i'm saving for furina rerun it's great to have extra motivation to build her :D
I love your videos as always..! and I really enjoy getting inspiration for different teams to try out :)
Thank you so much! 🥰
I have Aloy in my Kazuha DPS team, where she's more of a seatwarmer than anything, She does good damage sometimes, but thats about it. Will def check out this team
Your video was a godsend. As a healer enjoyer, I have Fuina and I tested on Masanori since your combo didn't cross my mind.
First of, enemy attacks with weapons can Aloy's bombs just bounce away intact, like Masanori/Samurai's wide sword swing charge. That could be an issue, yet Eremites with pets just double the enemy hitbox.
That said, the bombs seem to explode when Gentilhomme Usher (Octopus) & Mademoiselle Crabaletta attack, because they have the aoe attack and that triggers the bombs.
I tried to look if that works in combo with something, but no changes there: neither dendro cores nor Sayu's Mujina Flurry work, so Furinas Minions don't enable other mechanics, they alone just seem to activate them.
So, thank you! I used an full set Echoes of an Offering and the bow Song of Stillness, since that works on- and offield with Baizhu.
This video is the kind of thing i LOVE from the genshin community. The way you talk and think about aloy is really how i feel about qiqi. She was one of my first 5 stars and i was determined to make her a dps despite her being one of the most overhated characters, like aloy. Just like you, i found myself with a wonderfully viable qiqi, even with qiqi’s kit’s various flaws. This video is amazing, really resonated with me, and was so clear and enjoyable, all in all, amazing content 🩵
Thank you so much! 💙
Oohh, what's the team you came up with for Qiqi?
@@MusicLoverInTheSky she’s very versatile the way i have her built, i use 4pc clam to boost her heals and filet blade for pretty great extra damage. She is my sub dps/healer combo most of the time, unfortunately when i pulled raiden she was naturally outclassed, but qiqi is still pretty awesome for me. My main team for exploration is raiden/qiqi/xiangling/yelan, but im trying to brainstorm a freeze comp with qiqi for abyss :))
@@AshTheInventor Ooh, what stats did you give her?
Ty for this video and since i have a lvl 90 aloy, I'll give her a try soon by God's will .. my only problem with her was her skill targeting was SOOO OFF sometimes
thank u for talking about aloy, i been meaning wantin to build her since i hav extra blizz set
bt alot of my friends told me to give up, save the resources to some1 else
i think i might give this team a try
omfg finally an Aloy enjoyer aaaaa, im so happy to find a new interesting set for my Aloy, im trying to give her a decent team for so long! thank you so much for this video and info
THIS is the big part in why i think Furina's release was so good, seeing characters that were considered bad become good just makes me so happy. I didn't know that Furina had this interaction with Aloy but it makes me really happy for people who main Aloy
I didn't know either until accidentally stumbled into it 😂 Same, I lvoe it when new character add a bit of spice orsometimes give whole new life to older ones!
Glad to see that we sorta got some "fixes" for Aloy.
Thanks for sharing~
oooh this is cool, i will try it! i think aloy in genshin is so cute and fun, and i hate that she got so much hate!
btw feel you, i also didn't try genshin for the longest time, for me the reason was that no one told me that it is single player xD but just like you when i finally started, i fell in love instantly. and i was just in time for aloy as she was given out just one month later!
I still play aAoy for explore sometimes, I mean I can just apply pyro and Yelan them away. But making Aloy infuse her bow its on another level of satisfying, I use 4 emblems with atk sands to make sure only need one time skill to make sure burst ready but not leaving normal attack potential behind. For me Aloy 8/10 frustation. 9/10 fun. 10/10 will play her again.
It’s honestly so nice to hear someone who loves Horizon as much as I do both games are hella underrated imo
100% agree!💜
@12:47, going through frame by frame it looks kinda like crabaletta's AOE is setting off the 3 bombs right next to the vishap. Usher might as well, but I haven't found visual evidence of this on this video & haven't done my own testing yet, but seems worth looking into.
This is probably why may feel inconsistent, or at least one of the reasons. It'd depend on which enemy crabaletta decides who's life to debt collect & where it hits relative to the bombs. If the bombs are equidistant from the explosion center they would be set off simultaneously, and only one should proc. If the distance between the bombs and the crab is different then that could be enough for the 0.1 sec stacking delay.
The enemy could also be big enough that where crabaletta hits is far enough away that it can't reach the bombs.
Edit: I couldn't repro the effect, but I have been seeing some weird physics behavior between the salon members and the bombs. These are the first proper moving turrets that I can remember so maybe that could be it. On top of that, if the bombs are entering sleep state in the physics engine then it could be dramatically changing the behavior of the bombs in differing scenarios and set ups.
What an amazingly put together and edited video, subbing for more
I feel the same pain about Aloy on Genshin. I loved this idea (Furina) and I'll try it today. Amazing video!
Thank you!! I hope you have fun wiht it too 😁
I was playing my Aloy again recently to do shenanigans in co-op lol. This is great
Yo, you accidentally made a team zajef made recently and called it Bain Marie which is basically fridge burgeon as you said but with a slow hydro applier being furina
I love Aloy so much, your video single-handedly pushed me to install Genshin again
Tysm for this video!!
Insane. Great video!
Finally Aloy getting some teams
Great video
Hey, I have to try that. I been meaning to try Aloy in some new teams again. Been a while.
First I tried sacraficial bow as well thinking two throws would be nice. It only helped if I got a bad throw on the first. If you throw the second, your previous bombs disappear. How annoying. I combined her with Jean though and that was fun. When Jean is holding an enemy, she pulled the bombs in at the right rate to trigger the infusion. Also, I can collect up the bombs and launch them all at once at an enemy like a mortar. Now that I have Klee, I plan on trying a team with Jean, Aloy, and Klee. With pyro and cryo bombs all over the field, melt reactions should be no problem. Got to get Qiqi up to snuff for a healer though. Do not want my healer applying hydro and messing with the melt reaction.
I have Furina and Xiangling built so maybe i could try out Aloy too. I use Jean as the healer with the favonious sword to gain more particles. Plus you get a buff from the 4 piece viridescent set. I already have two cryo dps but i was really excited to get a character like Aloy because she felt special and different from the roster we have in genshin. I just didn't build her because i already had better characters and building new ones is expensive so i had to prioritise. Now that i have the choice and don't need to prioritise as much as before i might just give this team a go!
yeah jean would be great! And same, I like variety in my gameplay, but since resources are oftne tough it doens't make sense to build "less useful" peopl until you have the spare resources (because everyone you "need" is already built!
I remember how excited about the potential of her kit and the future of crossovers I was, I was underwhelmed on both fronts... Cons could salvage anything if they're OP enough, I wouldn't mind waiting, though. If it turns out she has more interactions down the line, they can take those into account when rebalancing her with cons and give her a good niche. I get gacha games want release-hype, but I kinda like releasing stuff on the weaker side to let it settle into the meta before touching it up, you can end up with great balance without ever having nerfs invalidate previous investment. I think none of this is on miHoYo's mind (Besides some passionate employees), but it's still fun to think about.
If they ever release anything as warping as Dendro again (Maybe not as crazy of a system but more stuff there for it to interact with), it makes the decision of when to rebalance what so much weirder. It kinda reminds me of the dilemma regarding things like space missions, start now, or wait until the process becomes faster? It can be kinda paralyzing.
Aside from your videos being adorable in style, I LOVE ALOY TOO!! I spent all my time since her release thinking of ways to change her and my changes were a bit more radical than yours, but after watching this video I have hope in Aloy persevering through her horrible crossover and the people who did nothing to show support and make the collaboration just. I still have a part of me that thinks Hoyoverse will re-discuss their negotiations with Guerilla and PlayStation and redo the Aloy crossover event with a new and improved kit and constellations so that she can be the Solid 5 star all genshin players deserved.
Furina/Aloy/Dehya has been surprisingly effective!! Im glad I 10/10/10'd them all!
The butt zoom was iconic (and quite accurate for a vast majority of the community)