Yes he is. Steve Perry has a big controlling interest in Journey. All the songs they play live which are 99% of them have Steve's name stamped on them.
Steve was the smart one.. He apparently saw things coming when he made that deal. Good for him. Steve P. had made some comment about the way Neal lived his life. I think he said he was “relentless“. Hard to deal with someone like that. Plays a mean guitar, but it does seem like all the troubles they had stems from Neal.
@@serdip Agreed. I tuned out the bs of the last few years pretty well but the constant back and forth between Cain and Neil wore me out. The same goes for Hagar and the late great EVH. (rip) Just tired of hearing it no matter who was right or wrong
Steve knew he was getting older and his voice would change and he d get slammed if he stayed in the band and couldn’t do the songs Justice… he was very smart and got out at the right time..he was gone what in 89’?after the raised on radio tour?….a smart winger knows when his nasel area is getting worse, and or his voice starts cracking..or starting to not hold the notes as long or in pitch…. Steve’s a lot smarter than we think, he got out before he looked like a train wreck…..look at all the older bands still touring everyone has to” Tune down a key “ for their aging singers….
Seems that way. Look at all the people who aren’t in the band. The lawsuits, etc. The turnover of replacement players. It’s a shit show and I detect a spouse is behind at least some of it.
For so many years, I never really understood why Steve Perry left the band and never looked back. Now I understand. I would not want to deal with all this drama. I would prefer to live peacefully in a quiet area far from the BS that consumes the band.
This just proves Steve Perry was dealing with drama queens. So sad!!! Honestly i was done with this band years ago....but perry's voice never gets old....
@DrTomoculus Yea but steve seemed to learn and grow from his mistakes, remaining private and seeming to make amends with those other guys. We don't hear much about steve. I like not knowing much about Steve's personal life.
@@dupersuper6516 I'm mainly going from that Behind the Music from years ago, where it seemed like Journey's management and the band were bending over backwards to make the guy feel at home, because they knew they had scored. And somehow, he comes out saying he felt "isolated". And you can tell, as soon as he joins that band, is when members start departing one after the other. And then the final straw when he boots out Valory and Smith. They're all old men now, fighting for their retirement. They won't have any left if they keep in litigation. But I personally lost a lot of respect for Steve Perry all the way back in 1986, when I saw Valory & Smith were out. I played in a Top 40 cover band that regularly played "The Girl Can't Help It", so I was almost "obligated" to do it. But I was done with them when that happened. I didn't know all the details, I just knew it was wrong. And that Neal and Jonathan went along with it, says just as much about them as it does him. So it's not even a band of people united together. It's a bunch of suits with gig bags.
I was under the impression Steve had a hip injury and there was a quick fix and a “proper” fix and the band wanted him to do the quick fix. So he was out. I can clearly see Cain saying he had to call Steve and tell him he was out. I’ll have to find that interview or documentary. Steve never talks about it. The story is he just walked away. I don’t think it was that simple.
Since the early days of Journey there's been multiple feuds, lineup changes etc and the only common denominator is Neal Schon, he's at the center of all of them.
I really like your comment cause I never bought a Journey album but, I did buy The Best of Steve Perry. Obviously, Journey just had to keep his voice.😂
I mean Augeri, Pineda & pre-Steve Perry Journey did contribute to that 75m albums as that’s over their entire existence, but he did sell a vast majority of that number.
Then why wasn't his solo career just as big? Not to mention the relatively less successful and very different sound of RoR after he pushed to fire Valory and Smith? It was a collab, not just the Voice of Steel that took Journey to their Zenith.
Neil. It's a jerk behind it be real Steve Perry. All these other guys will tell you that. When you Hero about him. You know, it's all true about Neal. Bad person, not a good guy.😅
Neal is a narcissist and a spender-living a fantasy with his wife. If he wants to do that fine, but let HIM pay for it, not the company! It's not that complicated...
@@devinjeffrey275 except it is HIS band and HIS $. Jon pulled this same lawsuit before. I think it’s time to call it a day and not let this be their legacy. A legacy of lawsuits.
@@CherylBattista It’s not Neal’s band. Also, Neal has been doing the spending in question, not John. Listen, I love them both but beholden to the truth!
@@CherylBattista Neal and Jonathan are born one day apart from each other, don't know when that day is.......I take it Neal's proably March 30th, with a Moon is Leo apparently they say those born on the 10, 20th, or 30th have battle energy.....and I know a guy born March 30th, his planet is hell.
I’m with Team Cain on this one. Neal is a melody savant and a world class player, but he doesn’t have good financial sense. He dropped out of high school to play with Santana, so he’s not exceedingly educated. How many Lamborghinis does he have now? Now he’s got this dingbat wife, who strikes me as a money-grubber. Neal needs to grow up and get his spending under control. Cain should just take his cut and retire.
Yet again, thank God, Journey is supplying us with more episodes of "As the Stomach Turns". These guys really know how how to provide us with a new definition of "Pathetic".
This is more than just a feud. It's about an alleged theft and/or misappropriation of corporate funds. In any other industry, Schon, if the allegations are true, would not only be fired but would be prosecuted for theft. Using personal funds is one thing, but using corporate funds for personal use without authorization is illegal. Like any other corporation, why can't Cain and Schon simply draw a salary and then submit expense reports for reimbursement, which would either be approved or rejected, just like any other corporation? Just because you are an owner of a company doesn't mean you have automatic license to use the corporate funds for personal expenses. The corporation is not an ATM for personal use.
All of the lineup changes throughout the decades make sense now. Just imagine being Perry...and constantly being hounded with the question, 'why don't you go back to Journey'. Imagine voluntarily putting yourself back into the middle of that mess. hehe. In the past, I have heard that NS 'lives it up'. ..but for a longtime bandmate/friend to sue you over your spending..that shows that it has to be true.
Agreed. Let go back in time..Its a historical fact that Perry orchestrated Smith and Vallorys exit prior to recording ‘Raised on radio’ The narrative was he wanted a ‘different sound’ . Hmm Those two guys were seasoned talented musicians. They could olay anything……Vallory was a founding member so if true that never sat well with me. Smith started with Journey in 78. They were a big time act by then but Escape hadn’t happened yet. Almost every track landed on Billboard. He knew his voice was the driving force. One or two less share holders replaced by contracted side men earning a lot less than Ross and Steve. More in his pocket…Weird group of people actually. Ross comes back for decades. Steve Smith comes back for a few years. They both get fired….Still not sure of what happened even though I read the complaint. Better them than me. Smh
Anybody that’s been paying attention to Journey over the years knows that Neal is a guy who never grew up. You’re basically dealing with a 10 year old who never grew up. That’s why he’s spending so much. I’m glad Jonathan is being the adult here.
I’ve heard for years that Schon and his wife live a crazy “rockstar” lifestyle and spend insane amounts of money to support their lifestyle, with a lot of the funds coming from the Journey “company” funds.
I remember Journey having infighting in the past. I’ve been a fan since the 80’s I gotta say when Steve left I didn’t feel the same way anymore. However, I’ve kept up with them and Neil has been a common denominator in most of the problems that plagued them over the years. Yes he’s talented And he is a founding member of the band he never lets anyone forget it either. I think he’s Always had a big ego and I’m surprised the band has managed to last this long
@@seanl67 Right! Neil should have never gotten plastic surgery. Men can age gracefully and they still look Hot. Now he Looks like he had his face stretched!! And, black hair dye will age our complexion, too. Unless you’re a 15 year old groupie!! LOL
Anybody else remember this ..scandal? years ago where this DC guys wife disappeared, and he thought she had been kidnapped? In reality, she had left him to shack up with Neil. ...good times
Yep, I remember. Unfortunately, Schon’s current wife and her ex-husband were notorious con artists. Her story is an interesting one. I was bummed and disappointed when she ended up with Neil. And Cain’s wife is even nuttier. It’s a real soap opera.
The funny thing is, journey actually ended long, long time ago when Steve Perry left for the second time. What has remained since is basically a really good journey cover band 😉
I’m reading these comments. Many ignorant ones. This is not a Journey problem. This is a Neal Schon problem. Don’t believe me? Go back and read all the interviews from their old manager who invented Journey. He has bad things to say about Neal Schon the human being. He’s a dirt ball.
One of Neals issue with Cain is partly political believe it or not. Cain is a hardcore conservative and Neal is pretty far left. The same thing happened to grace slick and Mickey Thomas from Jefferson starship.
That door was locked shut! Neither Steve Smith, Ross Valory, and Steeve Perry were invited to a single anniversary show to perform. Smith and Valory's move to take over the property of Journey doomed both of them! Perry, screwed over his bandmate's twice. The comeback album that charted extremely well on adult contemporary stations with a tour slated booked. His mother passes away, which is understandable. He informed the band he needed hip surgery and knew he knew that during the Trial recording sessions, he never disclosed he was having problems and needed surgery. Till they were to hit the road. Tour canceled. Once bitten twice shy. Steve Perry wrecked what could have been something great. Not Neal. Neal is a big ass for the continued issues. It is great that Cain and Schon can work on stage. They know the money is there, Neal needs to stop pulling the slot machine lever. He will destroy what he and Cain created as musicians. I know they can get past this! Neal needs to stop spending.
@shawncosmos5431 he actually had no interest for over 20 years, not due to the band issues it was he did not want to do the grueling tour. He prefers going out when he wants. He knows he can't hit those high notes anymore. He was given a chance to go up and perform at the RRHOF. He said it is Arenels position, and he is the front man. He has been and will continue.
The two of them drop the issue at that stage door. They know they can not do what happened with VH on that reunion tour. They want to give it to the fans on stage. Keep it off that playground they love, the stage.
They’ve seem to forgotten the fact that they have one of coolest jobs in the world. It’s a slap in the face to any struggling musician/band/artist. Be grateful for the opportunity you’ve been given!
And they wonder why Steve won’t appear with them. They probably been doing this forever and I know Steve is not partial to upheaval and just wants to get on with it.🇦🇺😘
I think perry carried them and they didn't care about his voice ..no singer of his caliber can sing 180 plus shows a year .he was trying to preserve himself and was thought to be a pain in the butt....
@@patrickking9181 With an unheard of, iconic 8 octave voice would you abuse it? Steve knew how to preserve it. Since the hits were mostly Steve's voice, lyrics, and Steve's productions I'd say Steve carried them - still do to this day! Would your band even want you to abuse it?
A thought occurred to me earlier, the alleged coup by Steve Smith and Ross Valory. Was there really a coup, or did Neal just want to get rid of anyone who he considered 'equal authority'? Was Ross not a founding member, just like Neal? So now, he's got exactly what he wants, what he sees as HIS band because he's the only founding member left. He can hire and fire at will because there's no one to challenge him, spend as he wants because he's the 'president' of Journey, with no one to answer to. Maybe Cain isn't the real bad guy here. Perhaps hiring a forensic accountant would be the best way to go. Let someone with no vested interest come in and examine the books for the last decade and see what happens.
Journey is just a nostalgia band. The real Journey ended when there was no more Steve Perry. Neal Schon thinks too highly of himself and all the newer crap he plays. I agree with Steve Perry's take on Journey, to handle Journey as a business based on the empire they created, while remaining a defunct band that's not playing anymore. I know as a fan of the real Journey, they became a parody of the former band they once were, when they continued w/o Perry. Age is a real thing and all bands have an expiration date, whether some of the members and clueless fans think so or not. Rock is a young man's thing. Look at how ridiculous Metallica looks and sounds now. It's just a cash grab for them now.
"Clueless Fans"? You underestimate SP's enormous fan base! They still turnout to hear SP songs! Think Neal would still do those songs if fans didn't want them, or would buy tickets if they DIDN'T do them? or if Neal had made new 'hits'? There's many older bands still gigging!
I’m with Cain on this one. Unfortunately Neal is really into “The Image thing”. He’s been married numerous times. Has to pay child support. Has had multiple plastic surgeries. He enjoys an extravagant lifestyle. Cain is much down to earth from what I’ve seen. So he’s probably concerned with Schon blowing through all of their money. I don’t blame him.
Neil and Cain seem to make up, Tour and then waste their coin on lawyers to sue each other. They are like a couple of bickering old ladies at the casino.
Yeah way. Journey was an incredible band. Definitely one of the hottest bands of my high school days in the early 80’s. To me, Journey was over when Perry left. Anyway, my point is this greed and band members suing other band members because they wrote more or something they had more creative input for the band turns into lawsuits and division and band breakups. It’s a huge turnoff. Other bands I was a fan of did and are doing the same shit. Eagles, Judas Priest, Queensryche, etc. the one thing I can’t blame bands from the 70’s and 80’s, even as far back as the 60’s for is coming back and doing these farewell or reunion tours at advanced ages because they can make as much $$$ in 1 tour than in their entire careers
The common denominator seems to be Schon. Maybe I am wrong but we have ALL wondered why Steve could have walked away. When you are young anyone can have issues but in their 70"s?????
Their " legendary accomplishments" did not happen with the present band. It happened between '77 - '86. Then again in '96. I can't name even 1 song the current band has had a hit with.
Somewhere, Ross, & the two Steve's are smiling. Isn't Neil's wife the one who was once kicked out of the WH? If so, nuff said. I see the source of the issue.
Yes, she was in the first season of real housewives of DC and they (her and the ex-husband) somehow got into a WH reception uninvited. Guys can I make a suggestion. Take a page from Queen's book. There are five equal shares of everything. No one is the managing member.
Since the two children in the band can’t be thankful and say “I am sorry,” they will feud their way into tearing up the band’s reputation and Journey’s legacy as a song writing machine having written some of the best tunes - ever.
So glad i saw them back in 1983 and 1984. I wouldn't pay to see them now, not the same. I would only pay to see them if Steve Perry did a guest appearance, but that won't happen. At least i have my 1980s memories.
Seriously? Would you say that to Chicago? Jason Scheff has been with them 23 years, and Cetera was just as hard to replace as Perry. Did they stop doing Cetera songs? Of course not. Arnel has been there 16 years, still bringing in fans, still making them money. Personally, that's who I'm paying to see.
I am glad I saw them in Pittsburgh for the farewell tour, just before his injury. They rocked ! Sorry to see them not sing again. Health is more important than……but still sad.
Journey were so good together. With Steve great foundation for the most notable selling albums/records. Touring on the good music with Arnel singing still making money is awesome. But, everyone over 70 now (except Arnel) maybe it’s time to stop.
Perry, Cain, Valory and Smith should get back together and find a guitarist that fits the style. Perry, Cain and Schon all have rights to perform as Journey.
I actually feel bad for Deen... He screwed up pretty bad a few years ago but I’m convinced he got clean and straightened his life out . And this is his reward. Schon and Cain constantly at odds…. Jeez
All the problems keep going back to the root cause of many band problems, the guitarist. Goes back to their first keyboard player, then to singer Perry. Their current singer is willing to leave at anytime.
And now we know why Steve Perry left. Neal Schon is my main influence on guitar and Steve my main influence vocally and this breaks my heart and reminded me why I don't follow the personal lives of musicians, actors, and all celebrities for that matter. Appreciate the art, but never forget that we are all very human. We all know that nothing really changes after high school.
Folks forget Perry is a gifted musician and songwriter in his own right, so it wasn't just his charisma and voice fronting Journey. He was dead right to talk about "not breaking the stone". Guess folks more or less have had a good time at their shows, but I always thought it was pretty cringe. To the end of my days when I picture Journey, it'll be with SP in front in his tails. I sure would never picture Cain and Schon at opposite sides of a stage because they're not talking. Or Cain trying to sing Don't Stop Believing lol. Or Schon messing with his face wtf. Sad because it's embarrassing. Was a time I would've emptied my bank account to see Journey but not this faux Journey.
They were first. Had they not done their thing Steve Perry would not have had a Journey to join. And they were a excellent band. A different band for sure but loaded with talent..
Running it like a business, except half the band has left! The people who mattered, know we get day players. These two men have ruined the band over what GREED!!!!!!
Neal seems to love living an extravegant lifestyle and has not problem showing off his wealth on his Instagram page. I recently read an article where he claimed to own in the neighborhood of 1,200 guitars, and these aren't your normal, run-of-the-mill basic guitars, but most are rare and/or custom guitars. On the low side, let's say that each guitar is worth $3,500....that's $4.2 million in guitars alone! Not to mention his taste in expensive cars (Ferrari's) and custom Harley-Davidson motorcycles.
Sounds like Pink Floyd 2.0 There is nothing more saddening honestly than to see people who were so close and inspirational to others become estranged and bitter towards one another. It’s typically over envy, greed, or ego which makes it that much worse.
@@pamlatham7032 Yes, you are absolutely right. But egos alone are mostly somewhat manageable. Now add drugs and gynocentric bored gold diggers to the equation and...🔥⚡💣💥
Schon tried to book a gig with Rolie's name about 2-3 years ago and Rolie called him out. Won't have anything to do with Neal now. Neal has literally ruined all his relationships with all the people who made him famous. It's insane how one person could crap on everyone like he has.
My dad had a trucking company that work for Journey for years ReBanda transportation, started with them in the late seventies all the way to early nineties Neil used to come to the house same with Steve Perry. Neil has just changed always was really kind to me and my brothers and my dad. I think the money and fame kind of got to who he truly is. Money can do that to a lot of people and all that Fame and attention. He still Smokes on that guitar since the first time I saw him open up for Thin Lizzy in 1978. Peace everyone
Money issues at this point is ridiculous. That's why you have to respect RUSH. They agreed in the beginning that they would split everything 3 ways equally no matter who wrote what parts and any tour money etc. They never fought over money and remained close friends until the end....I love Journey but this is ridiculous.
You know, even in the late 70s when they were peeking, there was some thing about them I didn’t like, good songs, good playing, but I don’t know just some thing about them back to me, and years later here it is
Steve is living large, drama free and still getting PAID !!! 😂😂
Yes he is. Steve Perry has a big controlling interest in Journey. All the songs they play live which are 99% of them have Steve's name stamped on them.
He is Journey!
Steve was the smart one.. He apparently saw things coming when he made that deal. Good for him. Steve P. had made some comment about the way Neal lived his life. I think he said he was “relentless“. Hard to deal with someone like that. Plays a mean guitar, but it does seem like all the troubles they had stems from Neal.
thats right ... ! 🔥
@@Cassie670566 Good try Cassie but it has always been and still is Neal's egotistic, narcissistic personality!
I bet Steve Perry is wondering Who's Crying Now.
John and Ross were amazingly in lockstep on that song.
Chunkie, 😂🤣✌🏼😊
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That's a good one lol
Journey definitely needs to go their Separate Ways.
And stay worlds apart from one another.
Back to the Baby's JC.
@@serdip Agreed. I tuned out the bs of the last few years pretty well but the constant back and forth between Cain and Neil wore me out. The same goes for Hagar and the late great EVH. (rip) Just tired of hearing it no matter who was right or wrong
@shawncosmos5431 hagar arguing with himself.....lol.hahaha.
Obvious Alex has no interest....move on Sammy...go 55....lol.hahaha
@@DidntDoo Well stated…
Steve Perry must be glad he's out.
i agree
Haha’ yeah dude for sure ✌️
He gets a good chunk of the pie without all the drama and chaos. That's the dream.
He gets to relax, focus on his solo stuff, collect residuals.
the party's over.
Now we know why Steve Perry quit and never rejoined. Very disappointing to see one of my favorite bands growing up such a mess.
Exactly, those of us who grew up in the 70s and 80s knew who the real Journey was.
Van halen has joined this chat…😂
i bet steve perry is glad he left
And Ross and Steve...
Probably the reason why he left. All this was probably going on back then, only they managed to keep it all secret
He's been gone for years.
@@chriskelly6559 Yes, we know. We all know.
Steve knew he was getting older and his voice would change and he d get slammed if he stayed in the band and couldn’t do the songs Justice… he was very smart and got out at the right time..he was gone what in 89’?after the raised on radio tour?….a smart winger knows when his nasel area is getting worse, and or his voice starts cracking..or starting to not hold the notes as long or in pitch…. Steve’s a lot smarter than we think, he got out before he looked like a train wreck…..look at all the older bands still touring everyone has to” Tune down a key “ for their aging singers….
I think Neil is the common denominator in all the issues the band has ever had.
Correct
Seems that way. Look at all the people who aren’t in the band. The lawsuits, etc. The turnover of replacement players. It’s a shit show and I detect a spouse is behind at least some of it.
they can't have a healthy band if Schon is spending money like crazy. No band could stay solvent
Yep pretty much!
Literally and I’ve met him didn’t like him at all. JMHO.
For so many years, I never really understood why Steve Perry left the band and never looked back. Now I understand. I would not want to deal with all this drama. I would prefer to live peacefully in a quiet area far from the BS that consumes the band.
This just proves Steve Perry was dealing with drama queens. So sad!!! Honestly i was done with this band years ago....but perry's voice never gets old....
The guy who had Ross Valory and Steve Smith ousted from the band? OK.
@DrTomoculus
Yea but steve seemed to learn and grow from his mistakes, remaining private and seeming to make amends with those other guys. We don't hear much about steve. I like not knowing much about Steve's personal life.
@@dupersuper6516 I'm mainly going from that Behind the Music from years ago, where it seemed like Journey's management and the band were bending over backwards to make the guy feel at home, because they knew they had scored. And somehow, he comes out saying he felt "isolated". And you can tell, as soon as he joins that band, is when members start departing one after the other. And then the final straw when he boots out Valory and Smith.
They're all old men now, fighting for their retirement. They won't have any left if they keep in litigation. But I personally lost a lot of respect for Steve Perry all the way back in 1986, when I saw Valory & Smith were out. I played in a Top 40 cover band that regularly played "The Girl Can't Help It", so I was almost "obligated" to do it. But I was done with them when that happened. I didn't know all the details, I just knew it was wrong. And that Neal and Jonathan went along with it, says just as much about them as it does him. So it's not even a band of people united together.
It's a bunch of suits with gig bags.
The only ones that weren’t drama queens were Ross valor y and Steve smith.
I was under the impression Steve had a hip injury and there was a quick fix and a “proper” fix and the band wanted him to do the quick fix. So he was out. I can clearly see Cain saying he had to call Steve and tell him he was out. I’ll have to find that interview or documentary. Steve never talks about it. The story is he just walked away. I don’t think it was that simple.
Since the early days of Journey there's been multiple feuds, lineup changes etc and the only common denominator is Neal Schon, he's at the center of all of them.
You mean Steve Perry sold 75 million records
I really like your comment cause I never bought a Journey album but, I did buy The Best of Steve Perry. Obviously, Journey just had to keep his voice.😂
Exactly!!! Steve sold 75 million.
Amen! 👏 and that's why Neil doesn't want to work with him haha. Great band but egos ruining it smh 🤦
I mean Augeri, Pineda & pre-Steve Perry Journey did contribute to that 75m albums as that’s over their entire existence, but he did sell a vast majority of that number.
Then why wasn't his solo career just as big? Not to mention the relatively less successful and very different sound of RoR after he pushed to fire Valory and Smith? It was a collab, not just the Voice of Steel that took Journey to their Zenith.
I agree I believe Neil spends like it grows on trees. When you’re that rich you can never get enough. Sad! Glad Steve got out of that mess.
Loving Touching Feuding.
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Na na na na na,...
Na na na na na nee na na nahhhhh😁🤟🥃
@@steve-0493 Damnit its lodged in my head now, its bed time too lol.
Neil. It's a jerk behind it be real Steve Perry. All these other guys will tell you that. When you Hero about him. You know, it's all true about Neal. Bad person, not a good guy.😅
more like Lovin Touching Suing
Neal is a narcissist and a spender-living a fantasy with his wife. If he wants to do that fine, but let HIM pay for it, not the company! It's not that complicated...
@@devinjeffrey275 except it is HIS band and HIS $. Jon pulled this same lawsuit before. I think it’s time to call it a day and not let this be their legacy. A legacy of lawsuits.
@@CherylBattista
It’s not Neal’s band.
Also, Neal has been doing the spending in question, not John. Listen, I love them both but beholden to the truth!
@@devinjeffrey275whose band is it if not Neal’s?
@@devinjeffrey275 it IS Neal’s band!
@@CherylBattista Neal and Jonathan are born one day apart from each other, don't know when that day is.......I take it Neal's proably March 30th, with a Moon is Leo apparently they say those born on the 10, 20th, or 30th have battle energy.....and I know a guy born March 30th, his planet is hell.
I’m with Team Cain on this one. Neal is a melody savant and a world class player, but he doesn’t have good financial sense. He dropped out of high school to play with Santana, so he’s not exceedingly educated. How many Lamborghinis does he have now?
Now he’s got this dingbat wife, who strikes me as a money-grubber. Neal needs to grow up and get his spending under control. Cain should just take his cut and retire.
It's sad how money becomes more important than anything else.
I've had it with them. specifically with Neal and his wife. They make me gag to the point that I can no longer stand the sound of Neal's guitar.
Yet again, thank God, Journey is supplying us with more episodes of "As the Stomach Turns".
These guys really know how how to provide us with a new definition of "Pathetic".
You would think that 1500 hotel fee and a personal security guard would be small money for what journey would be pulling on tour.
That is $1500.00 per night + Neal's extra (2nd) chartered plane!
This is more than just a feud. It's about an alleged theft and/or misappropriation of corporate funds. In any other industry, Schon, if the allegations are true, would not only be fired but would be prosecuted for theft. Using personal funds is one thing, but using corporate funds for personal use without authorization is illegal. Like any other corporation, why can't Cain and Schon simply draw a salary and then submit expense reports for reimbursement, which would either be approved or rejected, just like any other corporation? Just because you are an owner of a company doesn't mean you have automatic license to use the corporate funds for personal expenses. The corporation is not an ATM for personal use.
And even Arnel was in the crosshairs of Neil a bit ago. It wouldn't be surprising if there were drugs or alcohol involved in this, too.
All of the lineup changes throughout the decades make sense now. Just imagine being Perry...and constantly being hounded with the question, 'why don't you go back to Journey'. Imagine voluntarily putting yourself back into the middle of that mess. hehe. In the past, I have heard that NS 'lives it up'. ..but for a longtime bandmate/friend to sue you over your spending..that shows that it has to be true.
I cant believe they let Steve Smith go geezus. One of the best drummers on the planet.
Agreed. Let go back in time..Its a historical fact that Perry orchestrated Smith and Vallorys exit prior to recording ‘Raised on radio’ The narrative was he wanted a ‘different sound’ . Hmm Those two guys were seasoned talented musicians. They could olay anything……Vallory was a founding member so if true that never sat well with me. Smith started with Journey in 78. They were a big time act by then but Escape hadn’t happened yet. Almost every track landed on Billboard. He knew his voice was the driving force. One or two less share holders replaced by contracted side men earning a lot less than Ross and Steve. More in his pocket…Weird group of people actually. Ross comes back for decades. Steve Smith comes back for a few years. They both get fired….Still not sure of what happened even though I read the complaint. Better them than me. Smh
He and Ross fired not once but twice, unheard of.
Anybody that’s been paying attention to Journey over the years knows that Neal is a guy who never grew up. You’re basically dealing with a 10 year old who never grew up. That’s why he’s spending so much. I’m glad Jonathan is being the adult here.
BINGO!
I’ve heard for years that Schon and his wife live a crazy “rockstar” lifestyle and spend insane amounts of money to support their lifestyle, with a lot of the funds coming from the Journey “company” funds.
You heard correctly.
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I don't know any details, but Neil seems to think that he is Journey and everything that the company makes is his money.
It would be better for them if they would FAITHFULLY commit to settling their differences and DON'T STOP BELIEVIING or it will be LIGHTS out for them.
I remember Journey having infighting in the past. I’ve been a fan since the 80’s I gotta say when Steve left I didn’t feel the same way anymore. However, I’ve kept up with them and Neil has been a common denominator in most of the problems that plagued them over the years. Yes he’s talented And he is a founding member of the band he never lets anyone forget it either. I think he’s Always had a big ego and I’m surprised the band has managed to last this long
So talented I never see his name come up on 'the best guitar players on the planet'. Sometimes, talent is only in one's mind.
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Neal was using the band credit card for more cosmetic surgery and hair dye.
His wife is a big spender as well.
@@seanl67 Right! Neil should have never gotten plastic surgery. Men can age gracefully and they still look Hot. Now he Looks like he had his face stretched!! And, black hair dye will age our complexion, too. Unless you’re a 15 year old groupie!! LOL
Anybody else remember this ..scandal? years ago where this DC guys wife disappeared, and he thought she had been kidnapped? In reality, she had left him to shack up with Neil. ...good times
Yep, I remember. Unfortunately, Schon’s current wife and her ex-husband were notorious con artists. Her story is an interesting one. I was bummed and disappointed when she ended up with Neil. And Cain’s wife is even nuttier. It’s a real soap opera.
Neil must have had more money than her husband.
The funny thing is, journey actually ended long, long time ago when Steve Perry left for the second time. What has remained since is basically a really good journey cover band 😉
You are exactly right. I've been a big fan of the SP version and have yet to hear anything done since he left the band.
I’m reading these comments. Many ignorant ones. This is not a Journey problem. This is a Neal Schon problem. Don’t believe me? Go back and read all the interviews from their old manager who invented Journey. He has bad things to say about Neal Schon the human being. He’s a dirt ball.
One of Neals issue with Cain is partly political believe it or not. Cain is a hardcore conservative and Neal is pretty far left. The same thing happened to grace slick and Mickey Thomas from Jefferson starship.
So much for the original lineup coming back
Original lineup or classic lineup?
@@deadliestassassin3092 classic with Cain, Perry, Valery, Schon, and Smith
That door was locked shut! Neither Steve Smith, Ross Valory, and Steeve Perry were invited to a single anniversary show to perform.
Smith and Valory's move to take over the property of Journey doomed both of them!
Perry, screwed over his bandmate's twice.
The comeback album that charted extremely well on adult contemporary stations with a tour slated booked. His mother passes away, which is understandable.
He informed the band he needed hip surgery and knew he knew that during the Trial recording sessions, he never disclosed he was having problems and needed surgery. Till they were to hit the road.
Tour canceled.
Once bitten twice shy.
Steve Perry wrecked what could have been something great.
Not Neal.
Neal is a big ass for the continued issues.
It is great that Cain and Schon can work on stage. They know the money is there, Neal needs to stop pulling the slot machine lever.
He will destroy what he and Cain created as musicians.
I know they can get past this!
Neal needs to stop spending.
@@azrocker06. Yeah. I’ve read all that to. Perry is looking back thinking God he’s not part of the drama anymore.
@shawncosmos5431 he actually had no interest for over 20 years, not due to the band issues it was he did not want to do the grueling tour. He prefers going out when he wants. He knows he can't hit those high notes anymore.
He was given a chance to go up and perform at the RRHOF. He said it is Arenels position, and he is the front man. He has been and will continue.
The first concert I took my girlfriend, later wife to was Journey \Loverboy in 1981 or 82. We still remember that concert with fondness.
I’m sorry but Journey is not Journey without Steve Perry, his voice is something very special and no one fills that void
move on...with or without SP journey band must be continue..they need money to finance..just accept no permanent in this World. everything is faded
Who wrote the songs?
Please excuse my ignorance, I'm just here for the drama...
Yep.
His voice sucks now
So, their first three albums don't count? JOURNEY lost it when Steve joined the band.
I just saw them in Cleveland on Tuesday & it was amazing. You would never know anything was wrong! Just wow.
good to hear.. am scheduled to see a show in a couple of weeks and this was my first thought.. thanks.
The two of them drop the issue at that stage door. They know they can not do what happened with VH on that reunion tour.
They want to give it to the fans on stage.
Keep it off that playground they love, the stage.
@jenb8128 hey, Van Halen could play well on the 1984 tour in spite of Eddie and Dave feuding out of view.
I agree. I was thinking that they looked genuinely happy and enjoying themselves on stage.
NEVER get the old ladies involved. EVER. This is what happens every time. Its such a toxic ingredient that its destroyed the biggest bands ever.
I worked with Schon when he was with another band. He is a very strange character!!!
Tell us more!
Neil wants all the money. At least I saw Journey when Steve was the lead singer
His wife too ! She is a huge part of this problem.
They’ve seem to forgotten the fact that they have one of coolest jobs in the world. It’s a slap in the face to any struggling musician/band/artist. Be grateful for the opportunity you’ve been given!
And they wonder why Steve won’t appear with them. They probably been doing this forever and I know Steve is not partial to upheaval and just wants to get on with it.🇦🇺😘
Heck and we thought it was Steve Perry that was the issue.
I think perry carried them and they didn't care about his voice ..no singer of his caliber can sing 180 plus shows a year .he was trying to preserve himself and was thought to be a pain in the butt....
@@patrickking9181 With an unheard of, iconic 8 octave voice would you abuse it? Steve knew how to preserve it. Since the hits were mostly Steve's voice, lyrics, and Steve's productions I'd say Steve carried them - still do to this day! Would your band even want you to abuse it?
A thought occurred to me earlier, the alleged coup by Steve Smith and Ross Valory. Was there really a coup, or did Neal just want to get rid of anyone who he considered 'equal authority'? Was Ross not a founding member, just like Neal? So now, he's got exactly what he wants, what he sees as HIS band because he's the only founding member left. He can hire and fire at will because there's no one to challenge him, spend as he wants because he's the 'president' of Journey, with no one to answer to. Maybe Cain isn't the real bad guy here. Perhaps hiring a forensic accountant would be the best way to go. Let someone with no vested interest come in and examine the books for the last decade and see what happens.
Cain is the good guy! Rarely at odds with anyone!
Journey is just a nostalgia band. The real Journey ended when there was no more Steve Perry. Neal Schon thinks too highly of himself and all the newer crap he plays. I agree with Steve Perry's take on Journey, to handle Journey as a business based on the empire they created, while remaining a defunct band that's not playing anymore. I know as a fan of the real Journey, they became a parody of the former band they once were, when they continued w/o Perry. Age is a real thing and all bands have an expiration date, whether some of the members and clueless fans think so or not. Rock is a young man's thing. Look at how ridiculous Metallica looks and sounds now. It's just a cash grab for them now.
"Clueless Fans"? You underestimate SP's enormous fan base! They still turnout to hear SP songs!
Think Neal would still do those songs if fans didn't want them, or would buy tickets if they DIDN'T do them? or if Neal had made new 'hits'?
There's many older bands still gigging!
Steve Perry is probably sitting poolside relaxing and glad he's not part of all of this.
I’m with Cain on this one. Unfortunately Neal is really into “The Image thing”. He’s been married numerous times. Has to pay child support. Has had multiple plastic surgeries. He enjoys an extravagant lifestyle. Cain is much down to earth from what I’ve seen. So he’s probably concerned with Schon blowing through all of their money. I don’t blame him.
Yep.
No wonder Perry left.
I've gotten everything I need from this band. The drama is too much and I consider this to be a post-Journey era.
There are some bands that HAVE to tour to keep from losing everything they own.
It's sad when senior citizens act like high school children.
Spoken like someone who has no clue about adult lif 😂🤣
Journey is over . The band is very close to only having one original member left anyway . So just call it a day already .
Neal is the only remaining original member since they fired Ross. Journey has not had more than two original members in the band since 1980.
Neil and Cain seem to make up, Tour and then waste their coin on lawyers to sue each other. They are like a couple of bickering old ladies at the casino.
The lawsuit is prob just a first step to arbitration as a goal. Legally binding, and no need to drag anything out in court.
It’s not that simple. The problem seems to be coming from Neal’s wife causing all the problems. Neal’s wife is the Yoko Ono here.
This is a Neal problem. It’s that simple. Jonathan had to do this.
Agreed! Neal always had a mega ego, his way or no way🙄
@@christybradley4049 remind me, which one of Jonathan or Neal founded the band ?
Clown show. Greed isn’t uncommon. Sick of hearing about this garbage. These guys can all disappear along with the Eagles.
No way
Yeah way. Journey was an incredible band. Definitely one of the hottest bands of my high school days in the early 80’s. To me, Journey was over when Perry left. Anyway, my point is this greed and band members suing other band members because they wrote more or something they had more creative input for the band turns into lawsuits and division and band breakups. It’s a huge turnoff. Other bands I was a fan of did and are doing the same shit. Eagles, Judas Priest, Queensryche, etc. the one thing I can’t blame bands from the 70’s and 80’s, even as far back as the 60’s for is coming back and doing these farewell or reunion tours at advanced ages because they can make as much $$$ in 1 tour than in their entire careers
Both bands are decades past their prime, they're just collecting checks at this point.
Nothing lasts forever...
The common denominator seems to be Schon. Maybe I am wrong but we have ALL wondered why Steve could have walked away. When you are young anyone can have issues but in their 70"s?????
Agreed. Neal needs to grow up.
All those people that blamed Steve Perry for being the problem must be feeling pretty stupid right about now….and Neal- enough with the Botox.
Their " legendary accomplishments" did not happen with the present band. It happened between '77 - '86. Then again in '96. I can't name even 1 song the current band has had a hit with.
Neither can anyone else, save for a few guitar players!
Somewhere, Ross, & the two Steve's are smiling. Isn't Neil's wife the one who was once kicked out of the WH? If so, nuff said. I see the source of the issue.
Yes, she was in the first season of real housewives of DC and they (her and the ex-husband) somehow got into a WH reception uninvited. Guys can I make a suggestion. Take a page from Queen's book. There are five equal shares of everything. No one is the managing member.
And she ran off with Neal after a show for 7 days, ghosting her husband throughout that time span. She's the common denominator in this.
Steve Perry turns out to be a genius - sing a bunch of cool songs and walk away! Pure genius!
Steve is worth more than either of the other two and he is not out there touring and fighting about money.
Since the two children in the band can’t be thankful and say “I am sorry,” they will feud their way into tearing up the band’s reputation and Journey’s legacy as a song writing machine having written some of the best tunes - ever.
Seeing journey on the summer stadium tour very soon. I’m so excited!
So glad i saw them back in 1983 and 1984. I wouldn't pay to see them now, not the same. I would only pay to see them if Steve Perry did a guest appearance, but that won't happen. At least i have my 1980s memories.
ISNT THIS THE REAL REASON PERRY LEFT NEAL WANTED IT ALL FOR HIMSELF AND DIDNT WANT TO SHARE THE STAGE
Journey died when steve perry left....its just a rehash of a band
Journey is now called KARAOKE
Seriously? Would you say that to Chicago? Jason Scheff has been with them 23 years, and Cetera was just as hard to replace as Perry. Did they stop doing Cetera songs? Of course not. Arnel has been there 16 years, still bringing in fans, still making them money. Personally, that's who I'm paying to see.
@@betsysimek8955 Did Cetera write/arrange the music or just sing it? Steve Perry did it all!
@@ptlatham7488 Jason Scheff did all that for 20 plus years, but it's 'not Chicago without Peter', right?
I am glad I saw them in Pittsburgh for the farewell tour, just before his injury. They rocked ! Sorry to see them not sing again. Health is more important than……but still sad.
My understanding, Neil schon has been the toxic one for years, even during the days with Perry
I bet schons goal is for him to be the only one left from the original lineup so he has all control
It's Neal's wife. She is breaking up the band. She's the Yoko Ono
Journey were so good together. With Steve great foundation for the most notable selling albums/records. Touring on the good music with Arnel singing still making money is awesome. But, everyone over 70 now (except Arnel) maybe it’s time to stop.
Perry, Cain, Valory and Smith should get back together and find a guitarist that fits the style. Perry, Cain and Schon all have rights to perform as Journey.
Lincoln Brewster for guitarist. He played for Steve in between.
Perry, Cain, Valory and Smith would work!!
I actually feel bad for Deen... He screwed up pretty bad a few years ago but I’m convinced he got clean and straightened his life out . And this is his reward. Schon and Cain constantly at odds…. Jeez
Journey without Steve Perry is irrelevant. Only one original member left. Neal should just do solo work.
Steve Perry was not original.
Journey? Oh ya that band Steve Perry was in
All the problems keep going back to the root cause of many band problems, the guitarist. Goes back to their first keyboard player, then to singer Perry. Their current singer is willing to leave at anytime.
And now we know why Steve Perry left. Neal Schon is my main influence on guitar and Steve my main influence vocally and this breaks my heart and reminded me why I don't follow the personal lives of musicians, actors, and all celebrities for that matter. Appreciate the art, but never forget that we are all very human. We all know that nothing really changes after high school.
The band members have always been biting each others butts for guys who have weathered the storms of the many band member changes.
I feel Neil’s WIFE should be included in all the spending, as well. I’m sure she enjoys living the “Rock Star” lifestyle too!
Folks forget Perry is a gifted musician and songwriter in his own right, so it wasn't just his charisma and voice fronting Journey. He was dead right to talk about "not breaking the stone". Guess folks more or less have had a good time at their shows, but I always thought it was pretty cringe. To the end of my days when I picture Journey, it'll be with SP in front in his tails. I sure would never picture Cain and Schon at opposite sides of a stage because they're not talking. Or Cain trying to sing Don't Stop Believing lol. Or Schon messing with his face wtf. Sad because it's embarrassing. Was a time I would've emptied my bank account to see Journey but not this faux Journey.
Neil’s paying for 4 wives that’s enough to make anyone broke
Plus the current one!
He’s been married 5 times? Wow didn’t know that. That explains a lot….if you can’t get it right by 3 your the problem
Sounds like they deserve each other!
I know that i'm in the minority, but i liked the original lie-up the best...Gregg Rolie on keyboards and singing and Aynsley Dunbar on drums!
They were first. Had they not done their thing Steve Perry would not have had a Journey to join. And they were a excellent band. A different band for sure but loaded with talent..
I think when Neil started promoting himself as Neil "Magic Fingers" Schon, that really lost me.
I wonder how Def Leppard feels when they are backstage
Joe Elliott brags about how Def Leppard members are loyal to each other. The nutsy Journey story today pretty much proves it.
@@AsHatSelfieStick oh I meant since they are touring together, I wonder if there’s tension backstage lol
@@NOTB666-p7v No bad vibes from Jon - he isn't like that!
Neal is though!
How awful some things end up as. Let’s take solace in the fact that Journey gave us some of the best rock songs and rock ballads ever.
Running it like a business, except half the band has left! The people who mattered, know we get day players. These two men have ruined the band over what GREED!!!!!!
This is really sad to hear Journey is such an incredible iconic band. I wonder how much longer they can go on
Schon and Cain should just get a room already. Jeez! Enough!
Guys please call it quits. It's time. Infact it's been time.
Neal seems to love living an extravegant lifestyle and has not problem showing off his wealth on his Instagram page. I recently read an article where he claimed to own in the neighborhood of 1,200 guitars, and these aren't your normal, run-of-the-mill basic guitars, but most are rare and/or custom guitars. On the low side, let's say that each guitar is worth $3,500....that's $4.2 million in guitars alone! Not to mention his taste in expensive cars (Ferrari's) and custom Harley-Davidson motorcycles.
Sounds like Pink Floyd 2.0 There is nothing more saddening honestly than to see people who were so close and inspirational to others become estranged and bitter towards one another. It’s typically over envy, greed, or ego which makes it that much worse.
And now you know why Steve Perry is no longer there.
This is the wheel in the sky...and it just keeps on turning!!😑🤟🥃
Johnny Thunders putted it so eloquently: "Two things fuck bands up; drugs and girlfriends". 👏👏👏
And, egos!
@@pamlatham7032 Yes, you are absolutely right. But egos alone are mostly somewhat manageable. Now add drugs and gynocentric bored gold diggers to the equation and...🔥⚡💣💥
Don't forget the thing that buys both of those, money.
Neal is broke spent all his money on plastic surgery 😮
Spent a lot on his wife as well. She's a big spender just like him.
Old ass bands way past their prime in a public dispute. Pretty routine these days.
Frankly I'm looking for more Schon/Rollie shows in the future. Those first three albums w/Gregg Rollie as the lead singer were EPIC!
Schon tried to book a gig with Rolie's name about 2-3 years ago and Rolie called him out. Won't have anything to do with Neal now. Neal has literally ruined all his relationships with all the people who made him famous. It's insane how one person could crap on everyone like he has.
When was the last time they made new music ?
2022. Wasn’t that great tho
Senior wasteland.
My dad had a trucking company that work for Journey for years ReBanda transportation, started with them in the late seventies all the way to early nineties Neil used to come to the house same with Steve Perry. Neil has just changed always was really kind to me and my brothers and my dad. I think the money and fame kind of got to who he truly is. Money can do that to a lot of people and all that Fame and attention. He still Smokes on that guitar since the first time I saw him open up for Thin Lizzy in 1978. Peace everyone
I’m Irish saw thin Lizzy twice back in the day then saw Phil play with his new band yellow pearl before his sad untimely death
I'm glad I got to see them last month, but I'm ready for them to retire already.
Money issues at this point is ridiculous. That's why you have to respect RUSH. They agreed in the beginning that they would split everything 3 ways equally no matter who wrote what parts and any tour money etc. They never fought over money and remained close friends until the end....I love Journey but this is ridiculous.
You can use many of Journey's song titles and much of their lyrics to illustrate their ongoing problems as a band.
You know, even in the late 70s when they were peeking, there was some thing about them I didn’t like, good songs, good playing, but I don’t know just some thing about them back to me, and years later here it is
Im done of these groups not growing up. Hats off to Steve though.