Couldn’t agree more. It’s as if Honda knows this and purposely tries to force us into an upgrade we don’t want by not making the car we actually do want.
Type R has a nicer interior, NVH, technology, better manual, and practicality. The GR has AWD, cheaper price in some trims, and little more fun on the road.
@@Fadic4I dunno about tech I mean parking sensors heated steering and seats on the grc vs type r . Depending on your daily commute and weather you may value these above all else
Absolutely great commentary, you’ve a great way with words. Something that’s hard for others to duplicate. Wishing you many years of success. PS I’m a GR Corolla fanboy haha
@@axledog7297 Or go up on width! I run 275 30R 19 rather than the stock 265 and the ever so slightly taller side wall actually improves ride quality more than you would think! The crashiness is gone!
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No, it aint... I drive only in +R 😅😅😅😅😅fake engine noise is taken care of with the individual settings.. and a Milltek Non-Res complete exhaust.. 😅😅😅😅😅😅...I don't even hear it anymore....I just hear the hum of the exhaust .....
@@CJ-gh4eh and dropping down to an 18" wheel provides EVEN MORE sidewall... There was zero chance I was sticking with any type of 19" wheel, especially the porky OEMs. I lost 8 lb per corner while I was at it.
I chose the GRC, but you really can't go wrong with either. CTR will feel more refined, but I want/need AWD and the physical handbrake. Also, it's very neat to give people a ride and then surprise them with the fact that it's only a 3 cylinder.
I think one of the fascinating points about these cars is the argument of “enthusiasm” vs “spec sheet”. These cars are intentionally made as a compromise, and likewise, you don’t get the ultimate performance from either in a sense. The GRC is smaller, and has a rev-happy 3 cylinder, that you hypothetically could take to a track day. The Type R has especially refined suspension and geometry that allows for it to put down 300 horsepower without similar hop/torque steer from the N products. Each has its own character, and it’s up to you as the consumer, an enthusiast: are you more excited about the GRC or the Type R? Your own experience will vary, and a lot of it has to do with how excited you get about the car while seeing it every day. You can’t let someone fool you into thinking that one is better than another, because fundamentally they’re cars meant to be enjoyed, not necessarily professionally raced and benchmarked. Like… One is better for a track day. When was the last time you went to a track day? When was the last time you drove in snow? Each buyer will see different benefits from each. Buy the one that makes YOU happy. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I heard that someone had a GR Corolla and it caught on fire! He then tried under warranty to get a new one. He went to Toyota and they asked him if he had tracked the still stock GR Corolla. My understanding it came from the top of Toyota he’s on his own, they’ll do nothing. So you have a car with a track mode button and if you just use it once and you loose you warranty. So this questions to me is a no Brainer.
I think there’s more to those stories than was originally reported. I kept digging into one of the stories and hearing details like the car misfiring and the guy going 130 mph on public roads while saying there was a problem. Dealer said fuel was getting combusted in the turbo as a result and causing a fire. I could also see the owner’s POV that the car was recently cleared by service so it shouldn’t have had a problem. I came to the conclusion that I couldn’t come to a conclusion yet. I’m keeping my eyes and ears open on that one but I wouldn’t be terribly concerned with the warranty just yet.
@@Realistick Toyota also doesn't give a lot of confidence with the GR86 with the low oil pressure issues either. Still think the Honda is in general the more reliable product for this segment.
I went with the GRC. I use mine as a daily driver and actually hopes it snows this winter. They are both very good cars. I've heard that noise, I thought it was from the turbo.
I absolutely adore my GRC. I’d take it anyday over the type R. I also really like the type r, it’s just to me the GRC is more special. It still blows my mind that a 3 cylinder can be this fast. I think the type R is super cool but but the GR just puts a wider smile on my face.
Great comparison! Got a blue GRC Circuit at MSRP after expecting to go Integra Type S. The CTR was in the running but winter is real in WI and giving up heated seats would be tough. 4WD and cheaper tires were also part of the appeal of the GRC, and my wife can’t stand the CTR spoiler. 😂 Anyway, I love that all of these exist, and feel kinship rather than animosity for anyone I see driving any of them. (Or an Elantra N or a Kona N or a Golf R…) Great time to be a driver!
I'll never regret buying my Type R. It is such a fun daily and so freaking practical. I'm always shocked at how much I can fit in it. Plus the seats are some of the most comfortable I've sat in. I've done a few 1000+ mi trips in mine and was super comfortable the whole time. I'd have to get out constantly when I had the Elantra N. I also barely go a day without someone wanting to talk to me about it lol
Type R has more space for sure! Better looking is subjective. But the Type R is definitely not cheaper. I daily a GRC and this car is such a blast to drive daily, especially in a cramped city. Ive moved states in this car, hauled bikes and camping gear with it. It definitely has some great practicality too
Toyota did add the availability for a larger intercooler (or maybe it was an additional one, I can’t remember), so at least the engine will stay cool as the car becomes front wheel drive😂 As for the CTR, it’s much better than it used to be but could use a little love on the aftermarket! Unfixable is a bit harsh.
@Realistick yeah in there defense every stock "affordable" car overheats except the SS1LE. I do believe there is no fixing them during the summer you're not getting more then 3 hot laps outta them. You can ask the owners themselves I'm at the track every month see it first hand. Doesn't matter how much you spend in cooling mods either. Sad thing a Tesla model 3 is a better track car then GR/Type R will go longer/faster(what she said) anyday
@@FATmenDRIVEtruckshaving owned a GRC, 6th gen SS, and a Tesla Model Y Perf which is on the same platform as the model 3 Perf i can say the Tesla is probably the fastest only for a lap or two, then you have too much heat in the motors which pulls power down significantly. Shortly after you will lose even more power due to the battery running low. The 6th gen SS is a lot of fun and doesn’t have issues with cooling, it will however in my experience eventually start to have a high oil temp. The GRC will have the AWD system overheat for sure. Happy that a fix is finally available for that. I have a fried that owned a CTR and his oil temp would run out of range about the same time i mange to overheat my AWD system. The CTR definitely needs an oil cooler and the GRC definitely needs a Transfer case cooler, and imo an oil cooler just to be safe. As you mentioned, in this price range every car has needs it seems. They are all still fantastic still.
Interesting take in that you mentioned the EVO in this video being a choice if you want a high driver input AWD car, after I mentioned in in a recent previous video of yours. And then you follow it up by saying anyone debating this cars value is a “hater” lol. The facts don’t lie. The GRC is a pretty slow AWD vehicle, especially for the power output it claims on paper. It’s expensive and its interior quality I would say is on par, or even worse, than an EVO, which is pretty sad especially since it’s a modern 2023 car. You’re biased towards it obviously, because you spent the money for one. So really, your opinion has too much subject-tification towards it, and hard to take a face value.
Maybe you’ve missed the videos but I’ve mentioned the Evo name in comparison to the GRC several times (and this video was shot 6 weeks ago). The Lancer evolution was $35k+… in 2014, and it too was a fast, cheap box of plastic with a ton of character. The GR Corolla is quicker than the manual versions of its direct competitors (though its neck-and-neck overall) and it costs less than half of them! Ultimately, this is all just my perspective on cars. You don’t need to agree, but if you hate Toyota or my POV, you don’t have to watch every video (though I appreciate it). Additionally, I didn’t pick the GR Corolla in either of my comparisons for this series. I’ll use my money to say which is my favorite but it’s not the Toyota🥸 have a nice weekend✌️
As cool as the Type R is, it would have been great if the Civic Si was built on the Hatchback, would have been a great every day car.
This.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s as if Honda knows this and purposely tries to force us into an upgrade we don’t want by not making the car we actually do want.
I mean, that's like saying it would've been nice if the Type R was $30k lol
Civic si needs to be closer to 250 HP/torque. It's way way to close to a regular civic. Needs to be in a middle between type r and civic.
@@chrislo2007funny enough: the type r was $35,000 6 years ago.
Type R: Track warrior
GRC: Road/Commute warrior
Proud GRC owner here 👍
Type R has a nicer interior, NVH, technology, better manual, and practicality.
The GR has AWD, cheaper price in some trims, and little more fun on the road.
@@Fadic4I dunno about tech I mean parking sensors heated steering and seats on the grc vs type r . Depending on your daily commute and weather you may value these above all else
The Corolla isn't a better commuter car you can't fit adults in the back and far less overall space. How so?
Absolutely great commentary, you’ve a great way with words. Something that’s hard for others to duplicate. Wishing you many years of success. PS I’m a GR Corolla fanboy haha
Integra suspension module and defeating the fake engine noise is a must for the type R. Sucks to have to spend more after paying that much
at least the module is pretty inexpensive though
18" wheels with a bit more sidewall is also a highly recommended move. Combined with the ITS ADM, it's quite nice.
@@axledog7297 Or go up on width! I run 275 30R 19 rather than the stock 265 and the ever so slightly taller side wall actually improves ride quality more than you would think! The crashiness is gone!
No, it aint... I drive only in +R 😅😅😅😅😅fake engine noise is taken care of with the individual settings.. and a Milltek Non-Res complete exhaust.. 😅😅😅😅😅😅...I don't even hear it anymore....I just hear the hum of the exhaust .....
@@CJ-gh4eh and dropping down to an 18" wheel provides EVEN MORE sidewall...
There was zero chance I was sticking with any type of 19" wheel, especially the porky OEMs. I lost 8 lb per corner while I was at it.
I chose the GRC, but you really can't go wrong with either. CTR will feel more refined, but I want/need AWD and the physical handbrake. Also, it's very neat to give people a ride and then surprise them with the fact that it's only a 3 cylinder.
Really amazing series, excited for your overall rankings video!
This exact topic has been a recent question in my head, so thanks for this video
Another excellent video, Tyler. The GR Corolla is my favorite.
Thank you! Part of me wants to buy another down the road, modify it and relive rally fantasies🤠
GR Corolla is roughly 400lb heavier than my '06 FG2 Civic Si coupe, and I have no fear in my K20Z3 catching on fire 😅
Fabulous job on this video. Subscribed.
I picked the GRC over the TypeR. Having AWD is too good to pass up.
Congrats!
Same, I love it. 10k miles in 6 months
16k on mine, love it!
I think one of the fascinating points about these cars is the argument of “enthusiasm” vs “spec sheet”. These cars are intentionally made as a compromise, and likewise, you don’t get the ultimate performance from either in a sense. The GRC is smaller, and has a rev-happy 3 cylinder, that you hypothetically could take to a track day. The Type R has especially refined suspension and geometry that allows for it to put down 300 horsepower without similar hop/torque steer from the N products. Each has its own character, and it’s up to you as the consumer, an enthusiast: are you more excited about the GRC or the Type R? Your own experience will vary, and a lot of it has to do with how excited you get about the car while seeing it every day. You can’t let someone fool you into thinking that one is better than another, because fundamentally they’re cars meant to be enjoyed, not necessarily professionally raced and benchmarked. Like… One is better for a track day. When was the last time you went to a track day? When was the last time you drove in snow? Each buyer will see different benefits from each. Buy the one that makes YOU happy.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I heard that someone had a GR Corolla and it caught on fire! He then tried under warranty to get a new one. He went to Toyota and they asked him if he had tracked the still stock GR Corolla. My understanding it came from the top of Toyota he’s on his own, they’ll do nothing. So you have a car with a track mode button and if you just use it once and you loose you warranty. So this questions to me is a no Brainer.
I think there’s more to those stories than was originally reported. I kept digging into one of the stories and hearing details like the car misfiring and the guy going 130 mph on public roads while saying there was a problem. Dealer said fuel was getting combusted in the turbo as a result and causing a fire. I could also see the owner’s POV that the car was recently cleared by service so it shouldn’t have had a problem. I came to the conclusion that I couldn’t come to a conclusion yet. I’m keeping my eyes and ears open on that one but I wouldn’t be terribly concerned with the warranty just yet.
@@Realistick Toyota also doesn't give a lot of confidence with the GR86 with the low oil pressure issues either. Still think the Honda is in general the more reliable product for this segment.
Put gr corolla powertrain and awd into a type r body then it would be perfect!
Both are amazing , and they’re fortunate to not have competition from the Cupra Léon in North America.
12:05 Is that the iconic spot where a dodge viper fell of the cliff?
I went with the GRC. I use mine as a daily driver and actually hopes it snows this winter. They are both very good cars. I've heard that noise, I thought it was from the turbo.
I absolutely adore my GRC. I’d take it anyday over the type R. I also really like the type r, it’s just to me the GRC is more special. It still blows my mind that a 3 cylinder can be this fast. I think the type R is super cool but but the GR just puts a wider smile on my face.
It also blows up when pushed hard, you guys are funny 🤣. K20c1 is a works horse it's exclusive the R/S I'd have to argue that point.
I test drove both and picked the GRC circuit edition but it was a tough choice. Both priced at sticker in the Midwest
would be a intresting to put the gr corolla vs the EN since prices are so comparable
Great comparison! Got a blue GRC Circuit at MSRP after expecting to go Integra Type S. The CTR was in the running but winter is real in WI and giving up heated seats would be tough. 4WD and cheaper tires were also part of the appeal of the GRC, and my wife can’t stand the CTR spoiler. 😂 Anyway, I love that all of these exist, and feel kinship rather than animosity for anyone I see driving any of them. (Or an Elantra N or a Kona N or a Golf R…) Great time to be a driver!
Will never regret buying my FL5 Type R. I'm fortunate that I get to daily drive my Type R, and it's a damn good one.
Anyone who desires $1000/month + car payments can do this. But most people don’t want to do that with a Civic…
@@JacesOwnWorld It’s a Asian thing
Love my gr corolla
I'll never regret buying my Type R. It is such a fun daily and so freaking practical. I'm always shocked at how much I can fit in it. Plus the seats are some of the most comfortable I've sat in. I've done a few 1000+ mi trips in mine and was super comfortable the whole time. I'd have to get out constantly when I had the Elantra N. I also barely go a day without someone wanting to talk to me about it lol
2 questions Are you Asian? And you don’t regret paying $1000 a month?
How bad is the wheel spin and hop off the line? If I floor it at the lights, would I be scared for my life?
@@janoycresnova9156 You definitely get some spin through 3rd, but not a lot of wheel hop. I had the Elantra N before and it had serious wheel hop
Type R for the win.
for the wheel spin
I wish the GR Corolla was based on the 4 door version of the Corolla. That’s why I feel like the Civic just looks better.
as in the sedan? WHY? I'll take a hot hatch over and POS sedan any day.
GRC if you don't know how to drive, now it will even get an automatic.
Type R
You have a great job. Jealous
He created that job.
Both of them are unaffordable and with 10k CAD in markups pushing them close to 70k CAD at best.
Ouch, I can’t speak for Canadians, but at least in the Midwest, I can find each for sticker (harder to find the Honda without markup)
Yeah the CTR without a mark-up that I have yet to see. @@Realistick
I personally would go for a Honda, it's more practical, better looking, and slightly cheaper to acquire than a GR Corolla!
All those are wrong besides better looking
@@NorthKoreasSon Have you actually looked at the specs and actual sale prices of both vehicles before you commented?
@@chih6654 Yes, we have, and it is common to get a GR Corolla Circuit Edition or Premium for $500-1000 under MSRP.
@chih6654 obviously, I've seen gr corollas for msrp and the cheapest civic I've seen was at least 2k above msrp
Type R has more space for sure! Better looking is subjective. But the Type R is definitely not cheaper. I daily a GRC and this car is such a blast to drive daily, especially in a cramped city. Ive moved states in this car, hauled bikes and camping gear with it. It definitely has some great practicality too
None of them
I'll take Renault Megane RS.
Both these turds overheat any track use and no fixing them
Toyota did add the availability for a larger intercooler (or maybe it was an additional one, I can’t remember), so at least the engine will stay cool as the car becomes front wheel drive😂 As for the CTR, it’s much better than it used to be but could use a little love on the aftermarket! Unfixable is a bit harsh.
@Realistick yeah in there defense every stock "affordable" car overheats except the SS1LE. I do believe there is no fixing them during the summer you're not getting more then 3 hot laps outta them. You can ask the owners themselves I'm at the track every month see it first hand. Doesn't matter how much you spend in cooling mods either. Sad thing a Tesla model 3 is a better track car then GR/Type R will go longer/faster(what she said) anyday
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks Tesla Model 3 ROFL... That's sad...
@@FATmenDRIVEtruckshaving owned a GRC, 6th gen SS, and a Tesla Model Y Perf which is on the same platform as the model 3 Perf i can say the Tesla is probably the fastest only for a lap or two, then you have too much heat in the motors which pulls power down significantly. Shortly after you will lose even more power due to the battery running low. The 6th gen SS is a lot of fun and doesn’t have issues with cooling, it will however in my experience eventually start to have a high oil temp. The GRC will have the AWD system overheat for sure. Happy that a fix is finally available for that. I have a fried that owned a CTR and his oil temp would run out of range about the same time i mange to overheat my AWD system. The CTR definitely needs an oil cooler and the GRC definitely needs a Transfer case cooler, and imo an oil cooler just to be safe. As you mentioned, in this price range every car has needs it seems. They are all still fantastic still.
Interesting take in that you mentioned the EVO in this video being a choice if you want a high driver input AWD car, after I mentioned in in a recent previous video of yours. And then you follow it up by saying anyone debating this cars value is a “hater” lol. The facts don’t lie. The GRC is a pretty slow AWD vehicle, especially for the power output it claims on paper. It’s expensive and its interior quality I would say is on par, or even worse, than an EVO, which is pretty sad especially since it’s a modern 2023 car. You’re biased towards it obviously, because you spent the money for one. So really, your opinion has too much subject-tification towards it, and hard to take a face value.
Maybe you’ve missed the videos but I’ve mentioned the Evo name in comparison to the GRC several times (and this video was shot 6 weeks ago). The Lancer evolution was $35k+… in 2014, and it too was a fast, cheap box of plastic with a ton of character. The GR Corolla is quicker than the manual versions of its direct competitors (though its neck-and-neck overall) and it costs less than half of them! Ultimately, this is all just my perspective on cars. You don’t need to agree, but if you hate Toyota or my POV, you don’t have to watch every video (though I appreciate it). Additionally, I didn’t pick the GR Corolla in either of my comparisons for this series. I’ll use my money to say which is my favorite but it’s not the Toyota🥸 have a nice weekend✌️