I bought a 24 Subaru BRZ Limited and have zero regrets. It’s the best new car for me in that price range. 900 miles in and I love it more and more as I drive it. I have never owned a car that makes me want to drive it even if I have no where to go. I don’t think there’s a better NEW driving car for under 50k.
@@BitcoinTo150K I have driven a Miata and loved it. I needed emergency back seats and slightly more storage; and my price range was additionally a big factor. I got my BRZ loaded for 35k sticker & actually paid it (no mark up above sticker like a Toyota).
Its an awesome car, this or the Miata are one of the best drivers cars. Even if i was rich i would gladly own them in my garage. They are future classics for sure.
I have the exact GR86 Trueno Edtion. Granted it doesn't have gobs of power but the thing handles like a dream. Take it to the twisties and it'll make you giggle curve after curve. There aren't many reviews of it, I'm glad to see one.
I have a '24 GR86 and love every mile I drive in it. I looked at the Corolla, but I knew the special feeling would fade pretty quickly. Especially when I had to explain to people why it was special. Yes it's a Corolla, but... You never have to do that in the GR86. And I love being able to spin a few donuts. 😊
Ive been loving my '24 GRC Premium. Every single time i sit in it I cant help but smile(i commute 60 miles each way every day) and i still have trouble believing how good it is on gas. My next car purchase will have to be some winter tires/wheels because i dont think these pilot sport 4 tires will be great in the winter😅
@@moldyrefrigerator, in what scenario? I own the GR86 (with UEL) and my brother the ITS, and the latter is still a lot faster. I don't have access to e85, which for sure would bump things up 20whp, but that still wouldn't be enough to keep up.
@@Bones12x2 I won't disagree with you. I was looking between the GR Corolla and WRX both 2024, and the GR stole my heart. And IMO looks so much better. Not looking to mod the heck out of it or anything so for me it was an easy choice. Although as a comfortable daily I'd probably go with the WRX, I'm just fortunate enough to have a work vehicle and only take out the GR for errands and fun!
GRC - ADL Without question (even after having owned a few 911s) If only for its practicality & a Sh*t ton of Fun to boot. (I say this after spending 3k miles going to fast on proper mountain roads)
Love both but they should've made a Trueno corolla edition just like the old 86, to really stick to heritage. A corolla with 2 doors, hatchback, & inline 4 N/A RWD. What a fun car that would be
I really like the GR86/BRZ twins but the RTV issue makes me pause. Otherwise great daily, AWD and 4 doors although a little tight the GR Corolla is hard to beat. Driving dynamics of 4wd and rwd are very different.
I have a a 2nd gen BRZ since early 2022. It has been great and so much fun. I live in the midwest in an area that gets real winters so AWD comes in handy at times. I put a deposit on a GRC and waited for my allocation to arrive. Once the car came, I hated it the instant I sat in it. The GRC felt like a $25k car that they were charging me $43k for. I figured "surely deiving it will blow me away". Nope. As much as I wanted to like the car, I just couldnt. I happily drove my BRZ back home and just bought a 2nd car with AWD for winter. Zero regrets.
Thanks for mentioning the tires for the GRC. Mine is only 4 months old but I'm thinking of the replacements already.leaam leaning towards the Conti DWS06+ since we can get snow during our winters. If i went dedicated snow tires, I would look at the PS4S.
A GR86 with the Harrop Supercharger makes 400whp on E85 and so fsr seems to handle it reliably. Even on 93 octane and a different pulley it can make low 300s no problem. Its a very stout engine despite the bad publicity on release.
As a racer, I can't help notice your arms are way too straight for good control. Bring the seatback up a couple notches? I got the Corolla, though I agree the 86 is the actual sportscar here, and I had the original 86 (and raced it) for 25+ years.
I’m a taller guy too, 6’4” with long legs. I own a GR86. The steering wheel is WAY too far away, and does not provide nearly enough adjustability to be comfortable. I had to purchase a steering wheel spacer to get a good “race-ready” feel. I couldn’t bring the seat back up without my head hitting the ceiling.
I have a GR86 but I'm not gonna lie, I'm looking into trading for a Mazda 3 turbo or CX-30 turbo instead. The GR86 is hard to live with as an only car, in the winter, and after a hard day at work the interior is cheap and loud. When I first bought the car I was perfectly fine with the trade offs but after almost 3 years it becomes harder and harder to live with. It's loud and grating after work and winters are miserable even with winter tires.
@@moldyrefrigerator Not everyone is lucky enough to work a cushy desk job. Some of us have extremely physically straining jobs, not by choice but because this economy is so incredibly bad right now
I was doing some more digging into those cases and the one that had the most press was seeming a little fishy, I’ll make a video on it when I finish the series!
I doubt that will happen. The 3cyl may be too tall for the 86 hoodline. It would also have to be adapted for longitudinal use in addition to many other considerations. More likely is that the GR86 is going to be cancelled probably by 2026 would be my guess, to be replaced by a new Celica. And the Celica is rumored to have a 4wd option or config which likely spells the end of the GR Corolla.
@@bearclaw5115Idk why some think the hood is that low. A guy did a turbo 2J swap back in 22. Toyota has already done the leg work. They have been using the 86 as a test mule for different variants of the G16. The Celica is probably taking the place of the Supra, which ends production in 26.
And "if rumors are true", the 86 would have gotten a factory turbocharger 10 years ago! Oh wait...almost 13 years after the 86/BRZ released ya'll are still shouting the same stupid "86 iS gEtTiNg A tUrBo SoOn!" BS...Give it up already!
Agreed! I know we’re in the minority of people that have interest in this car, but I have to drive in bumper to bumper traffic to work, so a stick simply isn’t going to work for me. I like smaller hot-hatches for a little back road fun on the weekends, but I don’t track at all, so an automatic just makes more sense for me.
@@brucesuitt993 Honestly that makes no sense to me. I would 100% be fine with buying an automatic as a track car because the purpose of a track car is to be fast. You already have your hands full so you don't really need a manual to have fun. On the other hand you absolutely need a manual in day to day traffic so it can keep you entertained. I find the idea that driving a manual car in traffic is some kind of a chore very, very strange.
I have a GR86 but I'm not gonna lie, I'm looking into trading for a Mazda 3 turbo or CX-30 turbo instead. The GR86 is hard to live with as an only car, in the winter, and after a hard day at work the interior is cheap and loud. When I first bought the car I was perfectly fine with the trade offs but after almost 3 years it becomes harder and harder to live with.
Maybe try a Golf R or CTR with some snow tires? The GR Corolla is a good option that isn’t as loud but it’s based on a cheap corolla! The mazda3 is a great compact but not in the same sort of league of fun.
I would get a GTI instead of the Mazda 3 Turbo if I were you. At least the GTI is still a fun car As far as your other choice. You will 100% regret replacing a GR86 with a CX-30.
@@moldyrefrigerator Not everyone is lucky enough to work a cushy desk job. Some of us have extremely physically straining jobs, not by choice but because this economy is so incredibly bad right now
I think your GR Corolla purchase was a good decision: It has totally SPOILED you, and at the same time heightened your senses when comparing it to other cars! Nice comparison.
i have to say it. as much as i love the GR corolla offers spec wise, its a god damn ugly car. honestly, outside of the 86 i have no idea what the designers have been going for with all toyota sedans and coupes for the past few generations. why cant they just modernize classic design? if hyundai can do it with the 74, toyota certainly can too.
Having a boxer motor, lowers the center of gravity in the car; which really adds to the driving experience. I previously had (2) Subaru Crosstrek’s (which I really liked). The 2024 BRZ I absolutely love driving it.
@@J.R.F.23 I agree. In 21 I bought my wife an Outback for her 50th birthday. We live in the mountains of north central Washington state on a private road and get 5-7 feet of snow every winter. Her Outback is the first car we’ve ever owned that we don’t have to put studded snow tires on for the winter. Granted she has to put her Outback into X mode to get up our road and into our garage. I normally have to keep my Tacoma in 4WD during the winter. The CVT in the Outback robs the engine of horsepower and torque, so her Outback is quite a bit slower than my Tacoma, but it’s an awesome road car. My sister came up last summer as our dad was gravely ill. She Loved the Outback, so she bought one for herself this year. She lives in Southern California and doesn’t need an AWD but she says it’s great in the rain and she’s glad that she bought it. When our Outback wears out, we’ll replace it with another one.
Stay away from these cars and stick with Miata if you must have a fun car these days. The compromise is too much to have a dual duty car unlike cars of the past.
Miata is infinitely more expensive because you need multiple cars to have one. If you’re in the market for a econo sports car, you can’t afford two cars. I rented a Miata for 24 hrs. I bought a BRZ.
@@Chainwhips As a former owner of a ND2 Miata and current owner of a GR86, I disagree. The GR86 offers a little more space but to call it more practical is pushing it. There is nothing that I could do with the GR86 that I was not able to do with the Miata on a daily basis. It's not like you can actually seat people in the back of the GR86. Now when it comes to which one is the better car ... the Miata wins that easily. Not that I regret getting the GR86, which is also a good car.
Circuit edition looks wayyy better my best friend has one and you gotta see it in person. Plus it's AWD wayyy faster and that 3 cylinder sounds great!!
I bought a 24 Subaru BRZ Limited and have zero regrets. It’s the best new car for me in that price range. 900 miles in and I love it more and more as I drive it. I have never owned a car that makes me want to drive it even if I have no where to go. I don’t think there’s a better NEW driving car for under 50k.
It's a future classic for sure, I'll get a dedicated BR-Z video done one of these days. Congrats!
Drive a Miata and SS1LE don't baby either you'll be 😮
@@BitcoinTo150K I have driven a Miata and loved it. I needed emergency back seats and slightly more storage; and my price range was additionally a big factor. I got my BRZ loaded for 35k sticker & actually paid it (no mark up above sticker like a Toyota).
Its an awesome car, this or the Miata are one of the best drivers cars. Even if i was rich i would gladly own them in my garage. They are future classics for sure.
What is Hyperbole
Great video, very happy to see the GR86 with Performance Package evaluated by a competent reviewer!
I'm glad there are still car manufacturers making these affordable, daily drivers.
2 years in with a GR86, no regrets
Same
Does it feel slow to pick up, how’s the response ?
Pretty quick pick up
Love the series man!
I appreciate hearing that, there's a lot of blood, sweat and savings in this one! Thank you for watching.
$7K difference?
In Canada a slightly used GR86 is around $30K, a GR Corolla is like $55K!! It's literally almost double as much! I don't get it.
I have the exact GR86 Trueno Edtion. Granted it doesn't have gobs of power but the thing handles like a dream. Take it to the twisties and it'll make you giggle curve after curve. There aren't many reviews of it, I'm glad to see one.
If you have the means for it, I would highly recommend buying both. I daily a GRC CE and also have a GT86 along side it. Absolutely love this duo.
I definitely couldn’t do both🤕 lack of funds and space (I already have a 90s project Mustang) sounds like an awesome garage though!
14,000 miles in, and I'm still loving my 2023 gr corolla. And it's so much fun on the snow as well. I'm looking forward to north Idaho winter #2!
i have one as well live in new england scared of the salt so i store it
I have a '24 GR86 and love every mile I drive in it. I looked at the Corolla, but I knew the special feeling would fade pretty quickly. Especially when I had to explain to people why it was special. Yes it's a Corolla, but... You never have to do that in the GR86. And I love being able to spin a few donuts. 😊
I got a GR86. I was offered a Corolla GR at the dealership, but I decided to get what I had come for.
No regrets. Love my GR86
Ive been loving my '24 GRC Premium. Every single time i sit in it I cant help but smile(i commute 60 miles each way every day) and i still have trouble believing how good it is on gas. My next car purchase will have to be some winter tires/wheels because i dont think these pilot sport 4 tires will be great in the winter😅
Great review!! Thanks 🤟🏼
The GR86 is definitely something special. So glad I own one.
What we learn on Sebring all GR Corollas are overheating on the track after about 15 minutes.:(
Wish the gr86 had 300hp to keep up with type r , golf r, or type s
A GR86 with a UEL header and e85 tune is faster than a stock FL5 Civic Type-R/Integra Type-S...
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@@moldyrefrigerator, in what scenario? I own the GR86 (with UEL) and my brother the ITS, and the latter is still a lot faster. I don't have access to e85, which for sure would bump things up 20whp, but that still wouldn't be enough to keep up.
When you live in an area with 5 months of poor weather per year, the decision is pretty much made for you 😂
vb wrx for sub 30k, no brainer.
@@aaromon43 coming from someone who's dream car was always a WRX growing up, the new generation looks like uninspired garbage, but to each there own
@@aaromon43some garbage right there 😂😂😂 Subaru doesn’t care about enthusiasts anymore. F em
@@cameronbouchard454 looks are subjective but in terms of actual objectove ability. The FA24DIT is by far the best engine to ever be in a USDM WRX
@@Bones12x2 I won't disagree with you. I was looking between the GR Corolla and WRX both 2024, and the GR stole my heart. And IMO looks so much better. Not looking to mod the heck out of it or anything so for me it was an easy choice. Although as a comfortable daily I'd probably go with the WRX, I'm just fortunate enough to have a work vehicle and only take out the GR for errands and fun!
10:23 so glad you didn’t void the warranty here. So close! 😂
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GRC - ADL
Without question (even after having owned a few 911s)
If only for its practicality & a Sh*t ton of Fun to boot. (I say this after spending 3k miles going to fast on proper mountain roads)
Love both but they should've made a Trueno corolla edition just like the old 86, to really stick to heritage. A corolla with 2 doors, hatchback, & inline 4 N/A RWD. What a fun car that would be
I really like the GR86/BRZ twins but the RTV issue makes me pause. Otherwise great daily, AWD and 4 doors although a little tight the GR Corolla is hard to beat. Driving dynamics of 4wd and rwd are very different.
GR86 blowing up at autocross due to right hand turns
RTV is not an issue. Internet hysteria from people who can't comprehend the oil pickup system.
So it's a feature
I have a a 2nd gen BRZ since early 2022. It has been great and so much fun. I live in the midwest in an area that gets real winters so AWD comes in handy at times. I put a deposit on a GRC and waited for my allocation to arrive. Once the car came, I hated it the instant I sat in it. The GRC felt like a $25k car that they were charging me $43k for. I figured "surely deiving it will blow me away". Nope. As much as I wanted to like the car, I just couldnt. I happily drove my BRZ back home and just bought a 2nd car with AWD for winter. Zero regrets.
Just drive your BRZ in winter. I drove my 2017 in Michigan for 5 years. Midwest is flat ground so a set of winter tires really made it effortless.
Thanks for mentioning the tires for the GRC. Mine is only 4 months old but I'm thinking of the replacements already.leaam leaning towards the Conti DWS06+ since we can get snow during our winters.
If i went dedicated snow tires, I would look at the PS4S.
GR86 with the 3cylinder engine. That would be my dream car.
A GR86 with the Harrop Supercharger makes 400whp on E85 and so fsr seems to handle it reliably. Even on 93 octane and a different pulley it can make low 300s no problem. Its a very stout engine despite the bad publicity on release.
A light blue gr86 with white accents would be sick
As a racer, I can't help notice your arms are way too straight for good control. Bring the seatback up a couple notches? I got the Corolla, though I agree the 86 is the actual sportscar here, and I had the original 86 (and raced it) for 25+ years.
I’m a taller guy too, 6’4” with long legs. I own a GR86. The steering wheel is WAY too far away, and does not provide nearly enough adjustability to be comfortable. I had to purchase a steering wheel spacer to get a good “race-ready” feel. I couldn’t bring the seat back up without my head hitting the ceiling.
just passed 10k miles and I have never had the awd die on me yet.
not going to unless you hard track it but there’s a fix for that on the market cost less than 2k
I think the 86 would look better with the GR Corolla rims. Personally I find the styling (inside and out) of the 1st gen 86 has more characters
*wheels
@@Aglai76 *same sh!t
@@tinhinnh it's really not though. A kidney isn't a spleen, & a Corolla isn't a Truck
Similar wheel design as the morizo at least. Not forged tho
It's the fucking Catalina Wine Mixer
Anyone else hate the toyota steering wheel?
both will deny your warranty!
:/ touche
16:37 which Toyota?
I have a GR86 premium press loan right now. It is the closest I have come to selling my Mazda 3
Probably the most meaningful compliment that a car can receive from you
I have a GR86 but I'm not gonna lie, I'm looking into trading for a Mazda 3 turbo or CX-30 turbo instead. The GR86 is hard to live with as an only car, in the winter, and after a hard day at work the interior is cheap and loud. When I first bought the car I was perfectly fine with the trade offs but after almost 3 years it becomes harder and harder to live with. It's loud and grating after work and winters are miserable even with winter tires.
@@Unchainedmaple888 Ok grandpa, let's get you to bed.
@@Unchainedmaple888appreciate the advice
@@moldyrefrigerator Not everyone is lucky enough to work a cushy desk job. Some of us have extremely physically straining jobs, not by choice but because this economy is so incredibly bad right now
"Hakone". its pronounced (hah-koh-nay) great video tho
Until those two GR Corolla owners are made whole, I won't be giving Toyota my business.
I was doing some more digging into those cases and the one that had the most press was seeming a little fishy, I’ll make a video on it when I finish the series!
If rumors are true, pretty soon these two will share an engine so the real choices will end up being RWD vs AWD and Hatch vs Coupe.
If they put the GR Corolla engine in the 86, I'm not sure I would have needed this series to make a decision!
😂
I doubt that will happen. The 3cyl may be too tall for the 86 hoodline. It would also have to be adapted for longitudinal use in addition to many other considerations. More likely is that the GR86 is going to be cancelled probably by 2026 would be my guess, to be replaced by a new Celica. And the Celica is rumored to have a 4wd option or config which likely spells the end of the GR Corolla.
@@bearclaw5115Idk why some think the hood is that low. A guy did a turbo 2J swap back in 22.
Toyota has already done the leg work. They have been using the 86 as a test mule for different variants of the G16.
The Celica is probably taking the place of the Supra, which ends production in 26.
And "if rumors are true", the 86 would have gotten a factory turbocharger 10 years ago! Oh wait...almost 13 years after the 86/BRZ released ya'll are still shouting the same stupid "86 iS gEtTiNg A tUrBo SoOn!" BS...Give it up already!
C0N'T wait for the GR Corolla with the DAT (direct automatic transmission!)
I'm hoping they get one out for me to test while I still have mine!
Agreed! I know we’re in the minority of people that have interest in this car, but I have to drive in bumper to bumper traffic to work, so a stick simply isn’t going to work for me. I like smaller hot-hatches for a little back road fun on the weekends, but I don’t track at all, so an automatic just makes more sense for me.
@@brucesuitt993 Honestly that makes no sense to me. I would 100% be fine with buying an automatic as a track car because the purpose of a track car is to be fast. You already have your hands full so you don't really need a manual to have fun. On the other hand you absolutely need a manual in day to day traffic so it can keep you entertained. I find the idea that driving a manual car in traffic is some kind of a chore very, very strange.
I’m gay and these cars are little rainbows . Both are so cute
Pee limit lol 5:18
I have a GR86 but I'm not gonna lie, I'm looking into trading for a Mazda 3 turbo or CX-30 turbo instead. The GR86 is hard to live with as an only car, in the winter, and after a hard day at work the interior is cheap and loud. When I first bought the car I was perfectly fine with the trade offs but after almost 3 years it becomes harder and harder to live with.
Trading for CX-30 SUV is crazy, actually either of those are crazy. You must be old.
Maybe try a Golf R or CTR with some snow tires? The GR Corolla is a good option that isn’t as loud but it’s based on a cheap corolla! The mazda3 is a great compact but not in the same sort of league of fun.
I would get a GTI instead of the Mazda 3 Turbo if I were you. At least the GTI is still a fun car
As far as your other choice. You will 100% regret replacing a GR86 with a CX-30.
@@moldyrefrigerator Not everyone is lucky enough to work a cushy desk job. Some of us have extremely physically straining jobs, not by choice but because this economy is so incredibly bad right now
1:38 that’s what I look for in my women 😂
Did you take the front license plates off for the video? (Texas bull shit)
Nope, I think Toyota did😂
@Realistick So........ The Toyota people sent cars from out of state then?
Don't worry, your secret is safe on the internet.
I just ordered a GR86. Premium MT Neptune blue. The wait is killing me.
Nice elbow delete.
Crazy how now they're both known for engines that explode (just in different ways)
I wouldn’t equate two spontaneous fires with a known, replicable flaw of oil starvation.
I think your GR Corolla purchase was a good decision: It has totally SPOILED you, and at the same time heightened your senses when comparing it to other cars!
Nice comparison.
Thanks! I completely agree, daily driving it has helped set a good benchmark for me when it comes to how a car handles.
One is a real Toyota the other one is a subí
i have to say it. as much as i love the GR corolla offers spec wise, its a god damn ugly car.
honestly, outside of the 86 i have no idea what the designers have been going for with all toyota sedans and coupes for the past few generations. why cant they just modernize classic design? if hyundai can do it with the 74, toyota certainly can too.
agree! But I'd be happy if toyota made a GR corolla sedan. Never liked the look on hatched back cars. Type R is an exemption though😂.
corolla.
GR86 fam stay winning
The GR86 has a Subaru Boxer engine
Having a boxer motor, lowers the center of gravity in the car; which really adds to the driving experience. I previously had (2) Subaru Crosstrek’s (which I really liked). The 2024 BRZ I absolutely love driving it.
@@J.R.F.23 I agree.
In 21 I bought my wife an Outback for her 50th birthday.
We live in the mountains of north central Washington state on a private road and get 5-7 feet of snow every winter.
Her Outback is the first car we’ve ever owned that we don’t have to put studded snow tires on for the winter.
Granted she has to put her Outback into X mode to get up our road and into our garage.
I normally have to keep my Tacoma in 4WD during the winter.
The CVT in the Outback robs the engine of horsepower and torque, so her Outback is quite a bit slower than my Tacoma, but it’s an awesome road car.
My sister came up last summer as our dad was gravely ill. She Loved the Outback, so she bought one for herself this year. She lives in Southern California and doesn’t need an AWD but she says it’s great in the rain and she’s glad that she bought it.
When our Outback wears out, we’ll replace it with another one.
Stay away from these cars and stick with Miata if you must have a fun car these days. The compromise is too much to have a dual duty car unlike cars of the past.
Miata is a toy for short men.
Miata is infinitely more expensive because you need multiple cars to have one. If you’re in the market for a econo sports car, you can’t afford two cars. I rented a Miata for 24 hrs. I bought a BRZ.
@@Chainwhips As a former owner of a ND2 Miata and current owner of a GR86, I disagree. The GR86 offers a little more space but to call it more practical is pushing it. There is nothing that I could do with the GR86 that I was not able to do with the Miata on a daily basis. It's not like you can actually seat people in the back of the GR86.
Now when it comes to which one is the better car ... the Miata wins that easily. Not that I regret getting the GR86, which is also a good car.
Damn! he went up to 85.
The Corolla is just ugly, I can’t imagine comparing it to my 2023 BRZ 🤔 with RWD !
Looks good on paper, not in real life
Circuit edition looks wayyy better my best friend has one and you gotta see it in person. Plus it's AWD wayyy faster and that 3 cylinder sounds great!!
Unfortunately the GR corrolla's interior looks like a corrolla. No arm rest. No thanks
Is this arm rest obsession an American thing? 30 years of driving and I don't think i've ever felt the desire or need for an armrest.
I mean based on your own subjective appraisal, if not objective reality you need a vb wrx. Hims got it all.
Not as fun as either in my opinion. A better daily for sure but that’s a lower priority to me this time around!
@@Realistick idk I tend to have track capability sit in my ample back seats, while I drive like a rabid badger in the shiny damp