I live on an old 4th generation cattle farm with alot of old small sheds, cattle sheds, hay sheds, ect. We have raccoons around all the time. This is what i have found over the last 20 years. With in 75 yards, a good 40gr hollow point or 30gr polymer tip bullet in the 22 magnum works the best all around. The 17 hmr won't kill as good as the 22 mag. I'd say i was getting run offs about half the time with the 17 hmr with about any type of bullet or weight I used. The 22 long rifle is just not powerfull enough to stop them every time without the perfect shot. The 22 Hornet and 17 Hornet are really ideal, but are too loud, too expensive, and the ammo and guns are too hard to find. I like the Winchester 40gr hollow point in my Savage A22 magnum automatic, it is accurate and stops raccoon quick without over penetrating. The CCI 40gr Maxi-mag ammo works good too, but almost always over penetrates and doesn't seem to stop the raccoons right there, meaning - they run off and die somewhere you don't want them to, like up in my combine. Over penetrating is not good around other animals because you might hit them too. I also really like the Hornady 30gr V-max ammo in my CZ 512 automatic and CZ 457 bolt action. In these two rifles it is very accurate and stops even the biggest raccoons very quick. Another cheaper option for folks on a budget is the good old Savage modle 93. It is fairly cheap, funtions good, and is usually very accurate. I have had my modle 93 at least 20 years and it will shoot 1/2" groups with CCI 30gr polymer tip ammo at 50 - 75 yards all day. I have taken probably hundreds of not only raccoons, but opossum and skunk with these four 22 mag rifles and this ammo over the last 20 plus years.
I agree on the 22 lr, just doesn't have the power. They work fine with a perfect head shot, but rarely do the offer that. Real world.. you take what shot you can get. A dead coon under the house or barn gets nasty quickly. I consider coons terrorists to my chickens, so no mercy.
What makes you believe you need 16+ inches of penetration for a racoon who's body is 6, 7 or 8 inches thick? Every racoon hunter I know, including me, uses a 22 lr. The more holes you have in a pelt, the less money it's worth. 22 lr is more than capable of making a humane kill on a racoon.
Thanks for your comment. No Doubt the 22LR has taken a boatload of raccoons. And you're correct about the side to side dimension. But animals don't always line up just so, and that's why I was opting for a little more capability.
@@TargetSuiteNo kidding; they do the same with ‘cute’ bears and Bambi, not seeming to realize that bear maulings are horrific and that aggressive deer will kill a human, if so inclined. Awesome and relevant video. Blessings 😊
When it comes to killing power. The Heavier Weight, larger larger diameter and slower velocity bullets have always been proven to be best. Those tests helped prove it once again.
@@kevinbietry7527 If that was true, he would have used the faster lighter round. But his test results proved that the heavier slower round kills better!
@@americanpatriot477 only because in this example using the smaller rounds but had we been talking about a .220 or .22-250 vs using .30-30 or .45-70 on even the same target you will see penetration goes to the heavy slow bullets and devastation goes to the light and fast. The smaller rounds do not stand a chance in out penetration of a .45-70 for example but when talking about raccoon personally you can make a wrong caliber choice in my opinion. Now I seen a video of a guy on UA-cam who de who I think I don’t know how to spell his channel name but where he was shooting ground hogs with a .22-250 and their bodies just flew apart when hit with that round. You couldn’t do that to a ground hog with a .45-70 just not enough speed but if you hit him the end result would be the same.
@@kevinbietry7527 Ok then explain why no one hunts bears with the 22 calibers ? Or carries them for protection from large predators! Those rounds are varmint rounds, and because some people have killed deer with them doesn’t make them a big game caliber.
After watching your channel for quite awhile now I finally took the leap and bought a Henry 45/70. Needless to say I love that gun. Fun to shoot and handload for.
Great video .. thanks, Very informative. Now this is how you do ammo testing. Clear, concise, to the point with gel blocks clearly marked with info and not shot up with 20 rounds
For around the house/back yard (garbage pails,chicken coops,under decks etc. ) with shots under 10 yards the Henry Classic H001 with 22LR 36-40 grain hollow points does the job extremely well. Good review as usual. Thanks.
The .17 HMR is a nasty and fast little round but I found it easily disturbed by wind. I opt for the .22 WMR, personally. I love Henry Repeating Arms and have a safe full of them in various calibers, both rim-fire and center-fire. The .22 WMR also has great kinetic energy or what many refer to as knock down power. Great video as always.
I too chose the 22WMR. The load my rifle shoots quite nice groups with is Hornady's 30gr VMax--50% more weight than the heaviest 17HMR and only about 5% less velocity, per box label ballistics.
17 hmr is a niche round, it is good at dumping its energy. I like it because I doesn’t over penetrate and ricochet. That said it doesn’t do well with heavy bone. I more often than not regret not having a 22 mag instead. A downloaded 223 usually takes over the task.
We purchased a pair of the Henry Small Game models. The Rifle and the Carbine in .22 S/L/LR and these have the octagon barrels, large loop lever, and Skinner sights. Very nice for .22's. Would purchase this same model in .22 Mag if I feel like owning another .22 lever action. Can't go wrong with the Henry
I have the octagon barrel in .22 LR and a round barrel .22 WMR from Henry. I love both. I wish my mag was a octagon barrel but it was unitanium 3 years ago when I bought mine. Both are essential tools on our property. I'm looking forward to seeing lots of .22 WMR content on your channel👍🏻😁🇨🇦
I recently happened across a Rossi lever action in 22 magnum in a little country store and just had to purchase it. (Probably paid a bit too much) Quite a fine rifle with extremely smooth action and is a great shooter. I have to agree with you on the sights. My eyes don't quite work with the buck horn type sights either. So my plan is to scope it also. Simmons makes a reasonably priced scope specifically for 22 mag and I have one on my Marlin 22 mag bolt action. True tack driver. I look forward to your next reviews on these guns. I'm a huge lever gun fan.
Beautiful rifles and you made the right choice of matching the round for the target. .17HMR is a great little round and definitely has it's place but my preference would be the .22 WMR for the masked bandits.
@@Logan-py8we not sure how you came up with that conclusion. I said "it seems counter intuitive" I didn't say it was definitely one thing or another. I watch other people test other things and decide if I want to myself to see if it works for me. I test my stuff myself. You do you and guess what, I'll do my own thing.
Great video on comparison of these beautiful 22's ❤ I always favored the 22 magnum for that type of work! All three would work wonderfully with head shots 😊 Thanks for sharing this brother
I have been 100% DRT on raccoons with 22 Mag using CCI or Winchester/Browning 40 gr JHP, and 0% with 22 LR with 36gr hollow points. I don't have a 17HMR. All my shots are at 45-50 yards. There was evidence the raccoons were severely wounded by the LR, but the blood trails made it to the thick briars and no recovery made. I generally aim high shoulder. The 22 WMR puts them down with authority. Raccoons are quite sturdily built. When I used to shoot armadillos with my Ruger single 6, most shots under 20 yards, the LR would kill them, but they would jump and bound several yards before dying. With 22WMR in same revolver, they flip and go into a death shuffle like a roach sprayed with RAID, never more than 3 feet from where they last stood. Those extra fps really make the difference.
I've always been a .22 magnum fan. Finally found a checked walnut-stocked Henry available online and snatched it up after seeing this video. Can't wait to get my hands on it!
Thanks for the in-depth look at the ballistic aspects of these bullets. I can't wait to get my hands on a Henry do some shooting. I am sure my boys will love them too!
Thanks, that was a very informative video. I may be a candidate for a Henry 22 Magnum lever action rifle. I do like the octagonal barrel look of the rifle.
i have the 22LR in the frontier, i put a peep sight on it because of my old eyes, it shoots great. love it. enjoy them they are a very well made firearm
Hi George, what a well done video! Awesome job on this one. You must have put a lot time in on this one and it shows! I have the H001TRP with octagon barrel large loop and a skinner peep sight. What a fun rifle to shoot! It's seams I can't miss with it. I think the 22 WMR for your critter control will work just fine. Henry didn't by any chance send you the Henry big boy revolver? I'm really interested in getting that one. Henry makes some awesome rifles. Well made and beautiful. And best of all Made in America!🤠🇺🇲
The big boy revolver is on the list. But I've just started with them so I need to get a little track record built up. It's on the list as well as the 44 magnum big boy.
@@TargetSuite George, I love my Henry Big Boy Steel .44 Magnum (old style, no side gate). It’s great for deer hunting within reasonable range, and a great shooting lever gun. P.S. I’ve wondered how raccoons can sleep on the side of the road with all the traffic noise? 😂
Yep I've got 4 Henry's and 3 of them are in 22 mag. Absolutely love the 22 magnum caliber. In my opinion, it's enough to take any sort of critters sub 100 yards with the right shot placement.
Thanks for the review. I was really surprised that the 17HMR had less performance than the 22MAG at those distances. My 17HMR does work well for squirrels but then again so does my 22LR. I usually shoot from 15-30 yards.
It really only has less performance depending on your definition of performance. It did exactly what you would expect a vmax bullet to do when it’s traveling at warp speed for a rimfire-provide explosive expansion with minimal penetration. This was less a comparison of different cartridges than it was a comparison of different bullet construction.
Like a certain rimfire "Millimeter" round (and rifle) offered by Remington back in my much younger days, I had high hopes for the 17HMR. However, the 17HMR has never really caught traction in our area and finding ammo is darn near impossible (I know because I wanted to make sure I had at least two dependable sources BEFORE I purchased a rifle in 17HMR). On the other side of the coin, .22 Mag ammo IS available at several area stores as are rifles. My main use for a rifle chambered in either rimfire cartridge would be for predator control (feral dogs, cayotes, and raccoons) so, from a practical point of view, it looks like I'm going to have to go with the .22 Magnum. Excellent video as usual! Keep 'em comin'!!!
My marlin 25MN 22 mag loves 40 grain Winchester super X hollow points. My magnum research 22 mag likes the hornady 30 grain vmax. I also have a marlin 17VS but it’s pretty heavy to pack around the woods. All very accurate with ammo they like. I wouldn’t hesitate to use any of them on raccoons.
I've had/have 2 Henry lever guns and I agree the fit and finish is spot on. They run and cycle very smooth. Just as importantly is the ergonomics of the gun. I have found that the but stock sitts perfect in my shoulder well. The LOP and forward hand rest/stock make a nice triangle that makes supporting the gun easy and effortless. My line of sight is not stressed as I look down the barrel through the sites. I have not installed an aftermarket peep site or scope and I'm able to "loft" .44mags and hit a 200yd target using the Henry OEM sites. Would I do that on a hunt...No. But it is pretty cool when I'm just plinking. For reference I'm 6'2" and I typically have 14"+ LOP and a cheekriser on my bolt guns. I've also had the "Remlington" Marlin .44 and the fit/finish came nowhere close to the Henry. I'm looking forward to comparing the Henry product line to the new "Ruger-Marlin" lever gun product line.
Thanks, George. Get after those trash pandas! You will be well armed. I agree the .22 Mag is the right choice. The "defense" ammo will be excellent, even if you take a shot at the south end of a northbound raccoon.
Thanks gary. One commenter was questioning my choice because raccoons aren't that deep going side to side. But as you know, sometimes your only shot begins at the end😉
@@TargetSuite Whether hunting deer, elk, boar or raccoons, I always preferred a cartridge and loading that could penetrate the intended game end to end. Or what we called "the Texas heart shot". Which falls in line with my preference for heavier/larger diameter bullets at moderate velocities. While I killed a number of deer with a .243 (and bought .243 and .250 Savage rifles for my sons' first "deer rifles") my go-to cartridge for deer was always the .300 Savage with 180 gr. bullets. When I hunted elk, I didn't use a .300 Magnum, I used a .35 Whelen and 225 gr. bullets. When you are presented with a perfect broadside shot, full penetration on game animals is not a bad thing. I think people confuse self-defense preferences, for shots fired in populated areas, with hunting preferences. They aren't the same. Pass through shots provide excellent blood trails for tracking if necessary. They also confuse self defense goals...changing an attacker's attitude about his choice of victims...with hunting goals...quick and humane KILL. Best is for the animal to expire right then and there. If not, then you want a good blood trail to find the animal. I think you made the right choice of which loads to use. TBH George, I never used a ,22 magnum for varmints and pests. I used either a .22 LR or handloads in a .22 Hornet. I didn't own a .22 Magnum and wasn't going to buy one just to pay more for ammo than handloaded .22 Hornets. I _already had_ a .22 Hornet rifle and reloading equipment. But that's just me. It doesn't negate that the .22 Magnum is an excellent cartridge for pests the size of raccoons, foxes, even coyotes at the moderate ranges you're dealing with. (coyotes aren't all that big under that hair, a big raccoon will compete with a coyote for weight class) All of them are eager predators of turkey eggs and chicks. Good luck.
Hey George, nice video and I have to say that you’ve really stepped up on the production end. Great job! I’m a huge fan of the 22mag and never had opportunity to mess with 17hmr. I’ll be looking forward to the other videos you’ve got coming on these two.
Good choice. The Hornady or Punch will take care of business. Having shot both into gallon jugs of frozen water I would choose the Punch. It mushrooms well. Raccoons can destroy more quail & turkey than a fox or coyote. Very good video Sir!! Thanks. 🙏👍🇺🇸
This is a great video! Useful info for sure. Raccoons can be the worst little pests, they get after my deer corn all the time too. Thank you George! have a great day!
Another great video. You might also try the Henry "small game" rifle. It has the same 20" octagon barrel, but with a Skinner peep sight. I also added a red fiber optic front sight (easier to see).
Try the 20Gr winchester hollow points or the CCI gamepoints for the 17. The vmaxes are very explosive but extremely accurate. I had a 22 mag bolt gun and sold it after buying the 17. A crow head shot from 125yds with the 17 is too easy. My 22 mag was at most a 75yd 3" group rifle. The bull barrel 17 savage will put 3 in a ragged hole at 100 if i do my part
The 20 gr. Xtp or 20gr. cci game point will exit coyotes with a broad side shot at 50 yards. I shot a big coon at 75 yards it was a pass through also.@@TargetSuite
Thanks for the nice video. 22WMR is one of my favorites to shoot! I have a pair of Winchester 9422 Deluxe rifles in 22LR & 22WMR. However my Henry Golden Boy in 22WMR is actually smoother and very accurate. I just need to shoot more often!
We have a raccoon problem on DFarm. I upped my caliber to .22 mag last year. It's a Marlin 882 SS and it's loaded with the CCI Polymer tip 30 grain sighted in for 25yards. So far I haven't had a single raccoon take more than 2 steps after proper bullet placement. During the spring the raccoons need thinning down a bit. Those are some very nice rifles but I'm staying with my Marlin. Nice video.
for Raccoons I would use my 22 LR for ranges out to 75 yards if beyond that the 22 mag , the 17 HMR is OK but not my first or second choice, in my 22LR I would probably use CCI Mini Mag and the 22 Mag I would use 22 Maxi Mag or the Hornady 30 gr bullet
i have the henry h001 22lr. i have several 22 rimfire rifles,love them all.my only 22mag rifle is a ruger american SS.its a shooter,really like the rotary magazines,it fits me perfct as im sure the henry would to.im at the age im not buying any more guns im justrying to enjoy what i have.thanks for the excellent video
I have a Golden Boy in 22 mag. I've never felt such a smooth action rifle in my life. Unfortunately, we are not allowed to shoot the racoons here. Although, they have experienced my new Thompson fully auto bb gun quite a bit. I can always tell when a racoon hasn't met me before.
Great video! It has been a pleasure watching your channel grow as you continue to present interesting videos. I have a Marlin bolt action that I use for "unwelcome guests" in .17 HMR. I put a 4-16x50mm scope with an etched and lit reticle for night work. It has a devastating, humane and instant effect out to around 85yds. I haven't used a .22 WMR for that purpose and am interested to see your results. Good hunting. Grace & Peace
22 mag is perfect for varmints both the 4 legged and 2 legged kind. I have a Henry 22 i bought for my dad It's a great gun. Shame my dad never got to shoot it. Great video George! Keep up the great work.
@@TargetSuite my dad always hunted with a 16 gauge shotgun. So when he asked me about the rifle i ran to the gun shop and ordered one. Great memories. Im glad to see you and your son and daughter shooting together. And thanks again for all your videos. I watch them over and over.
Thanks for the tests. Looks like the .22 mag with the 45 grain bullets are the best option for larger pest control. Both Critical Defense and Punch performed very well. Since you will use the .22 mag in low light conditions, do you plan to install a scope on it? Also, Federal makes a 50 grain 22 mag load. Have you ever used or tested it?
Thanks for your comment. I actually taped a small flashlight on the bottom of the four end and went out last night with my son. He found the raccoons with the thermal scope but with the flashlight I could actually see sites well enough and was able to take one of the raccoons high up in a tree. He fell with the thud. As for the Federal 50 grain round, yes I tested it and I was so disappointed. I got no expansion whatsoever. Even at 25 yards. If you go back and look at that gel block that I stood on its end, the second shot from the left has a really big expansion at about 10 in. That was when that 50 grain bullet started tumbling.
Just wondering if a .22 LR hypervelocity wouldn't be just as effective, but a lot cheaper? I'd like to see some ballistic gel comparing .22 LR. I love how you shot the cap off of the second water bottle with the .22 WMR. Did you color in the lettering, or did the rifles come that way? Looking forward to the additional videos for these two great rifles. I don't have a .17 HMR in my collection, but I do have a Savage .22WMR bolt action rifle which I really like. Too bad I couldn't come to LA to help with your pest control!
Roy, I would pick you up in Shreveport no questions asked. It's a good question about the hyper velocity like stingers. I'll certainly cover that in a future video.
The biggest raccoons I ever saw were at Guadalupe River State Park (it might've been Perdenales River State Park?), the really large ones were probably pushing 35 pounds. The camp sites trash cans didn't have locking lids. I can see where a .22 mag with a heavy bullet would be needed.
Hello George, great video comparing the two Henry magnum rimfire rifles! I’m wondering if you could test some 20 grain .17 HRM, as the 17 grain bullets are typically built to explode and not penetrate. Maybe a round 2 and also try some 30 grain .22 WMR? Anyway, always a good time watching your videos, Cheers from Canada!
Great suggestion about the 20 grain at 17 hmr. I did shoot several 30 grain 22wmr and they were all lackluster at close range. Thanks for watching I appreciate all of my brothers up north!
Thanks for sharing that. I went to the Rossi website and I don't see it available anymore. I wonder if I just missed it or did they give up on that platform?
Interesting video. From a cost perspective I might choose 38 SPCL or 357M. I can reload those cases. The classic cartridge for this application is 25-20. Marlin Owners Forum has a spectacular thread on 25-20 hand loads.
There's an Winchester Hi-wall in 25-20 I saw in a local shop. I've never dealt with that cartridge. Good luck on the coons, I hate them with a passion.
I love the .22 WMR for hunting. I've killed a bunch of things with it in a Ruger single six. In a rifle it's even better. I've been impressed with the accuracy of the .17 HMR though. Still, I'd choose the .22 WMR for raccoons.
Good evening, sir, it was an interesting video for me, I would very much like to see a video between the 22 Mag vs 22 long rifle, using CCI stinger ammo , with my experience using these stinger rounds leaving the muzzle at approximately 1640 ft./s , I have found my Stinger rounds to be more than adequate for raccoons at 50+ yards, I believe a comparison would be really interesting , thank you George for the video , looking forward to seeing more of them in the future. Take care my friend. 👍
The 17 HMR never really did it for me. I had one for about two years, quite some time ago. It was a lot of fun to shoot at the range, but it’s performance on game always left me wanting (and needing) more. The exception to that would be headshots on woodchucks, but they’d take off and disappear if hit anywhere else. I didn’t like that, so I traded it in on something else. I’ll stick to 22LR and .223 Rem as my go-to 22 cal options.
I've wondered what sort of performance the CCI "Gamepoint 40gr" in .22wmr (product part #22) would do at the same range. It's a jacketed soft point rated at 1875 fps, designed for "minimizing meat and hide damage" and "Dimple Tip allows the bullet to expand like a big game bullet for maximum energy transfer." I agree overall, the .17 caliber just seems to be a pest-exploder for the most part. I'm sure there's something in .17hmr that can penetrate pretty well and hold together, but not in the ammo featured. Of these two, the .22wmr is the champ overall. Just does everything in small game within 200 yards and has ample penetration with the right projectile.
Thanks, George! A gentleman I know from the range includes both calibers in his collection. When I asked about the uses, he said for his purposes the .17HMR was better on paper but the .22WMR was better on live targets. Since that time, I have seen the .17HMR used on prairie dags with very good results. Could that mean the .17 gains lethality with distance? I admit to being utterly confused.
A powerful .30 caliber airgun, cheap ammo, strangly accurate, and good killing power. Look for Air Gun Hunting South Africa Matt Duber has a lot a videos of taking out the Hyrax.
I would have to pick the 22 mag between those two. Though I have found that 22lr in the federal punch works great for trash pandas out of a marlin model 60
I've killed hundreds of raccoons over the last 40+ years. Most with a regular.22 lr. If i had to choose between the two in the video, I'll go with the .22 magnum.
22 Hornet and 218 Bee would be wonderful for thinning your raccoon herd as well. You can get some really great classic rifles chambered in them and if you reload it really brings down the cost.
@@TargetSuite I have a CZ 527 in 22 Hornet and it’s one of my favorite rifles. It would definitely be my go to for doing what you want to, more than enough for the biggest raccoon but still quite a bit milder than most center fire cartridges.
@@TargetSuite Yeah, I regret not getting the heavy barrel 17 Hornet and a .223 before they discontinued it. It’s an accurate rifle, has a Mauser action, and nice wood, what’s not to like.
Nice test. I’m curious how the Speer Gold Dot would stack up. There are times when the shallow penetration of the 17HMR is beneficial but I think the 22Mag is a better all around choice. Henry has a model that is set up for a scope from the factory. A suppressor and thermal optic would be an interesting departure from traditional form.
Just a follow-up, I went out last night with my son. He had the thermal scope and found the raccoons. He shot two and I shot one using the Henry with a flashlight.
I used a 22 WMR since 1966 and I would not base my choice on ballistic jell. The proven bullets I use are 30-gr. Federal Premium 22-mag ammo loaded with Sierra JHP bullets or a similar type of ammo brand from CCI or Winchester. CCI V-Max 30-grain ammo is decent but the Federal works best for my rifle. I know from experience if you put out feeders for anything everything eats it. Rats, Pigs, Deer, Coons, Possums, Squirrels, Turkeys, Elk and Bears. Stocking Wild Turkeys is something I have done. Turkeys are as destructive to farmer’s crops as pigs. At lease, you get more meat from a pig than any Wild Turkey I know. Wild trapped Turkeys are interesting Birds they are high strung at the least. If you turn them loose, they most likely will fly to the Next County and chances of you seeing them at your feeder is zero. Large flocks of Turkeys bring Coyotes, and they do not discriminate from young deer or a Turkey as food. They like small dogs and cats too. It would be less trouble raising Turkeys from eggs and keeping them around until they run off which they do if you use wild eggs. You city people are funny! 😆😅🤣😂👍
I live on an old 4th generation cattle farm with alot of old small sheds, cattle sheds, hay sheds, ect. We have raccoons around all the time. This is what i have found over the last 20 years. With in 75 yards, a good 40gr hollow point or 30gr polymer tip bullet in the 22 magnum works the best all around. The 17 hmr won't kill as good as the 22 mag. I'd say i was getting run offs about half the time with the 17 hmr with about any type of bullet or weight I used. The 22 long rifle is just not powerfull enough to stop them every time without the perfect shot. The 22 Hornet and 17 Hornet are really ideal, but are too loud, too expensive, and the ammo and guns are too hard to find. I like the Winchester 40gr hollow point in my Savage A22 magnum automatic, it is accurate and stops raccoon quick without over penetrating. The CCI 40gr Maxi-mag ammo works good too, but almost always over penetrates and doesn't seem to stop the raccoons right there, meaning - they run off and die somewhere you don't want them to, like up in my combine. Over penetrating is not good around other animals because you might hit them too. I also really like the Hornady 30gr V-max ammo in my CZ 512 automatic and CZ 457 bolt action. In these two rifles it is very accurate and stops even the biggest raccoons very quick. Another cheaper option for folks on a budget is the good old Savage modle 93. It is fairly cheap, funtions good, and is usually very accurate. I have had my modle 93 at least 20 years and it will shoot 1/2" groups with CCI 30gr polymer tip ammo at 50 - 75 yards all day. I have taken probably hundreds of not only raccoons, but opossum and skunk with these four 22 mag rifles and this ammo over the last 20 plus years.
Thanks for that fantastic comment! Nothing like hearing from a real "expert".
I agree on the 22 lr, just doesn't have the power. They work fine with a perfect head shot, but rarely do the offer that. Real world.. you take what shot you can get. A dead coon under the house or barn gets nasty quickly. I consider coons terrorists to my chickens, so no mercy.
What makes you believe you need 16+ inches of penetration for a racoon who's body is 6, 7 or 8 inches thick?
Every racoon hunter I know, including me, uses a 22 lr.
The more holes you have in a pelt, the less money it's worth.
22 lr is more than capable of making a humane kill on a racoon.
Thanks for your comment. No Doubt the 22LR has taken a boatload of raccoons. And you're correct about the side to side dimension. But animals don't always line up just so, and that's why I was opting for a little more capability.
17hmr is better
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nope .. remington 33gr wmr accutips beats every 17hmr round ive tried.
Nice video, George. I love my .22 mags. At my farm, raccoons are one of the most destructive critters we have. What they don’t tear up, they poop on.
You are so right. Unfortunately people seem to focus on their cuteness and forget that they are vicious and destructive.
@@TargetSuiteNo kidding; they do the same with ‘cute’ bears and Bambi, not seeming to realize that bear maulings are horrific and that aggressive deer will kill a human, if so inclined. Awesome and relevant video. Blessings 😊
When it comes to killing power. The Heavier Weight, larger larger diameter and slower velocity bullets have always been proven to be best. Those tests helped prove it once again.
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Heavy and slow penetrate deeper than lighter faster bullets but a zippy little round can split a critter in half
@@kevinbietry7527 If that was true, he would have used the faster lighter round. But his test results proved that the heavier slower round kills better!
@@americanpatriot477 only because in this example using the smaller rounds but had we been talking about a .220 or .22-250 vs using .30-30 or .45-70 on even the same target you will see penetration goes to the heavy slow bullets and devastation goes to the light and fast. The smaller rounds do not stand a chance in out penetration of a .45-70 for example but when talking about raccoon personally you can make a wrong caliber choice in my opinion. Now I seen a video of a guy on UA-cam who de who I think I don’t know how to spell his channel name but where he was shooting ground hogs with a .22-250 and their bodies just flew apart when hit with that round. You couldn’t do that to a ground hog with a .45-70 just not enough speed but if you hit him the end result would be the same.
@@kevinbietry7527 Ok then explain why no one hunts bears with the 22 calibers ? Or carries them for protection from large predators! Those rounds are varmint rounds, and because some people have killed deer with them doesn’t make them a big game caliber.
Very well produced video. You put a lot of work into it and it shows.
Thank you sir. Yes. This was a little bit complicated. I wish I had that much time, and money😉, to put into every video.
The 22lr is great after I put the big loop and did a bit of stoning on the internals. Great tack driver
I recently grabbed the Magnum Express and the H004V. Both are solid rifles and look killer.
Hey, small world! I hope you're having a great day Pat!
@sinisterthoughts2896 Hello hello! Things are great and I hope the same for you!
Awesome guns Pat!
Either is good I have used 22LR, 22mag, and 17hmr. All 3 work well on small game. Remember it’s shot placement
After watching your channel for quite awhile now I finally took the leap and bought a Henry 45/70. Needless to say I love that gun. Fun to shoot and handload for.
Now I crave new levergun! Great comparison! The accuracy testing will be interesting.
Great video .. thanks, Very informative. Now this is how you do ammo testing. Clear, concise, to the point with gel blocks clearly marked with info and not shot up with 20 rounds
The Rossi Rio Bravo and the Rossi pump gallery come in 22 wmr
George, I highly recommend you test the .17HMR with the Hornady 20 gr XTPs. They stay together much better than the VMAX.
The cci gamepoints and the winchester 20gr hollowpoints are tough too
For around the house/back yard (garbage pails,chicken coops,under decks etc. ) with shots under 10 yards the Henry Classic H001 with 22LR 36-40 grain hollow points does the job extremely well. Good review as usual. Thanks.
Cci velocitors 🤠
10 yards is for airguns, 50 yards for 22 lr and 100 yards for 22 wmr (depends on the size of the creature)
The .17 HMR is a nasty and fast little round but I found it easily disturbed by wind. I opt for the .22 WMR, personally. I love Henry Repeating Arms and have a safe full of them in various calibers, both rim-fire and center-fire. The .22 WMR also has great kinetic energy or what many refer to as knock down power. Great video as always.
I too chose the 22WMR. The load my rifle shoots quite nice groups with is Hornady's 30gr VMax--50% more weight than the heaviest 17HMR and only about 5% less velocity, per box label ballistics.
17 hmr is a niche round, it is good at dumping its energy. I like it because I doesn’t over penetrate and ricochet. That said it doesn’t do well with heavy bone. I more often than not regret not having a 22 mag instead. A downloaded 223 usually takes over the task.
We purchased a pair of the Henry Small Game models. The Rifle and the Carbine in .22 S/L/LR and these have the octagon barrels, large loop lever, and Skinner sights. Very nice for .22's. Would purchase this same model in .22 Mag if I feel like owning another .22 lever action. Can't go wrong with the Henry
I have the octagon barrel in .22 LR and a round barrel .22 WMR from Henry. I love both. I wish my mag was a octagon barrel but it was unitanium 3 years ago when I bought mine. Both are essential tools on our property. I'm looking forward to seeing lots of .22 WMR content on your channel👍🏻😁🇨🇦
More coming for sure. Thanks for your comment!
I recently happened across a Rossi lever action in 22 magnum in a little country store and just had to purchase it. (Probably paid a bit too much) Quite a fine rifle with extremely smooth action and is a great shooter. I have to agree with you on the sights. My eyes don't quite work with the buck horn type sights either. So my plan is to scope it also. Simmons makes a reasonably priced scope specifically for 22 mag and I have one on my Marlin 22 mag bolt action. True tack driver. I look forward to your next reviews on these guns. I'm a huge lever gun fan.
Really good video! I have been shooting .22mag for squirrels. since I started hunting in the 70's.
Great looking guns, I love the wood stocks.
Beautiful rifles and you made the right choice of matching the round for the target. .17HMR is a great little round and definitely has it's place but my preference would be the .22 WMR for the masked bandits.
I do enjoy shooting with my lever rifles. These caliber tests proved a lot to me, thanks for this George.
You are welcome. Thank you for watching. And I always appreciate your comments.
It almost seems counter intuitive that penetration at 50 is more than at 25. Very surprising and I thank you for demonstrating that so well.
Thanks for your comment. It took me a while to embrace that little known truth as well.
@@TargetSuite Resistance is a squared by velocity. 🤔
Then you haven't done enough reading or testing
@@Logan-py8we not sure how you came up with that conclusion. I said "it seems counter intuitive" I didn't say it was definitely one thing or another. I watch other people test other things and decide if I want to myself to see if it works for me. I test my stuff myself. You do you and guess what, I'll do my own thing.
Excellent and informative comparison! Love my old 94-22!
Oh, Winchester made such wonderful Rimfire lever guns. I'm really fortunate to have a very nice 9422M.
Another winner. Really appreciate your work with the gel on this one. Very telling. Thanks, George.
You're welcome Bud. Thank you as always for your support!
Great video on comparison of these beautiful 22's ❤
I always favored the 22 magnum for that type of work! All three would work wonderfully with head shots 😊
Thanks for sharing this brother
I have been 100% DRT on raccoons with 22 Mag using CCI or Winchester/Browning 40 gr JHP, and 0% with 22 LR with 36gr hollow points. I don't have a 17HMR. All my shots are at 45-50 yards. There was evidence the raccoons were severely wounded by the LR, but the blood trails made it to the thick briars and no recovery made. I generally aim high shoulder. The 22 WMR puts them down with authority. Raccoons are quite sturdily built.
When I used to shoot armadillos with my Ruger single 6, most shots under 20 yards, the LR would kill them, but they would jump and bound several yards before dying. With 22WMR in same revolver, they flip and go into a death shuffle like a roach sprayed with RAID, never more than 3 feet from where they last stood. Those extra fps really make the difference.
I've always been a .22 magnum fan. Finally found a checked walnut-stocked Henry available online and snatched it up after seeing this video. Can't wait to get my hands on it!
I bet that's a beautiful gun with that checkering. Congratulations!
Great video George, I really enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing it.
JT
You're welcome. Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the in-depth look at the ballistic aspects of these bullets. I can't wait to get my hands on a Henry do some shooting. I am sure my boys will love them too!
Hi Don. I know they'll love it!
Thanks, that was a very informative video. I may be a candidate for a Henry 22 Magnum lever action rifle. I do like the octagonal barrel look of the rifle.
Your videos are always very well articulated and extremely well tested and spoken.
i have the 22LR in the frontier, i put a peep sight on it because of my old eyes, it shoots great. love it. enjoy them they are a very well made firearm
Hi George, what a well done video! Awesome job on this one. You must have put a lot time in on this one and it shows! I have the H001TRP with octagon barrel large loop and a skinner peep sight. What a fun rifle to shoot! It's seams I can't miss with it. I think the 22 WMR for your critter control will work just fine. Henry didn't by any chance send you the Henry big boy revolver? I'm really interested in getting that one. Henry makes some awesome rifles. Well made and beautiful. And best of all Made in America!🤠🇺🇲
The big boy revolver is on the list. But I've just started with them so I need to get a little track record built up. It's on the list as well as the 44 magnum big boy.
@@TargetSuite George, I love my Henry Big Boy Steel .44 Magnum (old style, no side gate). It’s great for deer hunting within reasonable range, and a great shooting lever gun.
P.S. I’ve wondered how raccoons can sleep on the side of the road with all the traffic noise? 😂
Yep I've got 4 Henry's and 3 of them are in 22 mag. Absolutely love the 22 magnum caliber. In my opinion, it's enough to take any sort of critters sub 100 yards with the right shot placement.
Thanks for the review. I was really surprised that the 17HMR had less performance than the 22MAG at those distances. My 17HMR does work well for squirrels but then again so does my 22LR. I usually shoot from 15-30 yards.
Not me..
It really only has less performance depending on your definition of performance. It did exactly what you would expect a vmax bullet to do when it’s traveling at warp speed for a rimfire-provide explosive expansion with minimal penetration. This was less a comparison of different cartridges than it was a comparison of different bullet construction.
Very interesting, thanks. So weight does matter downrange. Very high production value; much appreciated.
Thank you!
I liked the rotating and labeled mushroomed bullets!
Thanks. That was a spur of the moment "invention" using my cordless drill
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep your videos coming please.
Thanks for your comment!
Great review and yep the 22 mag would be my choice over the 17.
I like a .22mag, but prefer a .38.
I like .22 for eating rabbits, and .17 for small varmints.
Like a certain rimfire "Millimeter" round (and rifle) offered by Remington back in my much younger days, I had high hopes for the 17HMR. However, the 17HMR has never really caught traction in our area and finding ammo is darn near impossible (I know because I wanted to make sure I had at least two dependable sources BEFORE I purchased a rifle in 17HMR). On the other side of the coin, .22 Mag ammo IS available at several area stores as are rifles. My main use for a rifle chambered in either rimfire cartridge would be for predator control (feral dogs, cayotes, and raccoons) so, from a practical point of view, it looks like I'm going to have to go with the .22 Magnum. Excellent video as usual! Keep 'em comin'!!!
Thanks!
My marlin 25MN 22 mag loves 40 grain Winchester super X hollow points. My magnum research 22 mag likes the hornady 30 grain vmax. I also have a marlin 17VS but it’s pretty heavy to pack around the woods. All very accurate with ammo they like. I wouldn’t hesitate to use any of them on raccoons.
Thanks for your comment! You've got some fantastic guns there!
All I have ever used is a 22 long rifle to get the job done in a fast orderly fashion.
I've had/have 2 Henry lever guns and I agree the fit and finish is spot on. They run and cycle very smooth. Just as importantly is the ergonomics of the gun. I have found that the but stock sitts perfect in my shoulder well. The LOP and forward hand rest/stock make a nice triangle that makes supporting the gun easy and effortless. My line of sight is not stressed as I look down the barrel through the sites. I have not installed an aftermarket peep site or scope and I'm able to "loft" .44mags and hit a 200yd target using the Henry OEM sites. Would I do that on a hunt...No. But it is pretty cool when I'm just plinking.
For reference I'm 6'2" and I typically have 14"+ LOP and a cheekriser on my bolt guns.
I've also had the "Remlington" Marlin .44 and the fit/finish came nowhere close to the Henry.
I'm looking forward to comparing the Henry product line to the new "Ruger-Marlin" lever gun product line.
Great comment! Thanks, Paul!
Thanks, George. Get after those trash pandas!
You will be well armed. I agree the .22 Mag is the right choice. The "defense" ammo will be excellent, even if you take a shot at the south end of a northbound raccoon.
Thanks gary. One commenter was questioning my choice because raccoons aren't that deep going side to side. But as you know, sometimes your only shot begins at the end😉
@@TargetSuite Whether hunting deer, elk, boar or raccoons, I always preferred a cartridge and loading that could penetrate the intended game end to end. Or what we called "the Texas heart shot". Which falls in line with my preference for heavier/larger diameter bullets at moderate velocities.
While I killed a number of deer with a .243 (and bought .243 and .250 Savage rifles for my sons' first "deer rifles") my go-to cartridge for deer was always the .300 Savage with 180 gr. bullets. When I hunted elk, I didn't use a .300 Magnum, I used a .35 Whelen and 225 gr. bullets.
When you are presented with a perfect broadside shot, full penetration on game animals is not a bad thing. I think people confuse self-defense preferences, for shots fired in populated areas, with hunting preferences. They aren't the same. Pass through shots provide excellent blood trails for tracking if necessary.
They also confuse self defense goals...changing an attacker's attitude about his choice of victims...with hunting goals...quick and humane KILL. Best is for the animal to expire right then and there. If not, then you want a good blood trail to find the animal.
I think you made the right choice of which loads to use.
TBH George, I never used a ,22 magnum for varmints and pests. I used either a .22 LR or handloads in a .22 Hornet. I didn't own a .22 Magnum and wasn't going to buy one just to pay more for ammo than handloaded .22 Hornets. I _already had_ a .22 Hornet rifle and reloading equipment. But that's just me.
It doesn't negate that the .22 Magnum is an excellent cartridge for pests the size of raccoons, foxes, even coyotes at the moderate ranges you're dealing with. (coyotes aren't all that big under that hair, a big raccoon will compete with a coyote for weight class)
All of them are eager predators of turkey eggs and chicks. Good luck.
Hey George, nice video and I have to say that you’ve really stepped up on the production end. Great job! I’m a huge fan of the 22mag and never had opportunity to mess with 17hmr. I’ll be looking forward to the other videos you’ve got coming on these two.
Thanks!
Love my Henry 22 WMR
Good choice. The Hornady or Punch will take care of business. Having shot both into gallon jugs of frozen water I would choose the Punch. It mushrooms well. Raccoons can destroy more quail & turkey than a fox or coyote. Very good video Sir!! Thanks. 🙏👍🇺🇸
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👍Good review….😊!
The Speer Gold Dot Personal Defense load works well too - similar to the Fed. Punch load.
This is a great video! Useful info for sure. Raccoons can be the worst little pests, they get after my deer corn all the time too. Thank you George! have a great day!
Thanks for watching. And thank you for your comment!
Another great video. You might also try the Henry "small game" rifle. It has the same 20" octagon barrel, but with a Skinner peep sight. I also added a red fiber optic front sight (easier to see).
That does sound like a great package.
Try the 20Gr winchester hollow points or the CCI gamepoints for the 17. The vmaxes are very explosive but extremely accurate. I had a 22 mag bolt gun and sold it after buying the 17. A crow head shot from 125yds with the 17 is too easy. My 22 mag was at most a 75yd 3" group rifle. The bull barrel 17 savage will put 3 in a ragged hole at 100 if i do my part
Thanks for your comment. I did try to get my hands on some of those 20 grain bullets. I just couldn't find them in time for the video.
The 20 gr. Xtp or 20gr. cci game point will exit coyotes with a broad side shot at 50 yards. I shot a big coon at 75 yards it was a pass through also.@@TargetSuite
Love shooting those types of guns/cartridges! Neverending ping ping ping!!
Love my Henry .22 Mag.
Well made video. I'm going to stick with the 22lr for varmints.
I love the Hornady Critical Defense. Seems to groups well also.
Really hard to get a Henry Rifle in Australia at the moment, so I had to settle for a Rossi Rio Bravo lever action in 22 magnum.
Thanks for the nice video. 22WMR is one of my favorites to shoot! I have a pair of Winchester 9422 Deluxe rifles in 22LR & 22WMR. However my Henry Golden Boy in 22WMR is actually smoother and very accurate. I just need to shoot more often!
Looks like you've got the 22 Magnum lever gun pretty well covered with all of those.
We have a raccoon problem on DFarm. I upped my caliber to .22 mag last year. It's a Marlin 882 SS and it's loaded with the CCI Polymer tip 30 grain sighted in for 25yards. So far I haven't had a single raccoon take more than 2 steps after proper bullet placement. During the spring the raccoons need thinning down a bit. Those are some very nice rifles but I'm staying with my Marlin. Nice video.
I love that Marlin 822.
for Raccoons I would use my 22 LR for ranges out to 75 yards if beyond that the 22 mag , the 17 HMR is OK but not my first or second choice, in my 22LR I would probably use CCI Mini Mag and the 22 Mag I would use 22 Maxi Mag or the Hornady 30 gr bullet
A bit of neon glow in the dark fingernail polish works great to paint the front sight and dot the rear. Really helps with visability.
i have the henry h001 22lr. i have several 22 rimfire rifles,love them all.my only 22mag rifle is a ruger american SS.its a shooter,really like the rotary magazines,it fits me perfct as im sure the henry would to.im at the age im not buying any more guns im justrying to enjoy what i have.thanks for the excellent video
I found a 12 gauge very effective on mass groups of them.
Great idea. I've got some #4s😉
I have a Golden Boy in 22 mag. I've never felt such a smooth action rifle in my life. Unfortunately, we are not allowed to shoot the racoons here. Although, they have experienced my new Thompson fully auto bb gun quite a bit. I can always tell when a racoon hasn't met me before.
Oh, the stinging rebuke they must feel! 😄🦝🔥📌📍
Great video! It has been a pleasure watching your channel grow as you continue to present interesting videos. I have a Marlin bolt action that I use for "unwelcome guests" in .17 HMR. I put a 4-16x50mm scope with an etched and lit reticle for night work. It has a devastating, humane and instant effect out to around 85yds. I haven't used a .22 WMR for that purpose and am interested to see your results. Good hunting. Grace & Peace
Thanks!
Good test ! You did good by selecting different brands and bullet weights !
I do the same thing and have been happy with the .22 WMR CTG !
22 mag is perfect for varmints both the 4 legged and 2 legged kind. I have a Henry 22 i bought for my dad It's a great gun. Shame my dad never got to shoot it. Great video George! Keep up the great work.
I'm sorry about your dad. I bet he would have loved that gun!
@@TargetSuite my dad always hunted with a 16 gauge shotgun. So when he asked me about the rifle i ran to the gun shop and ordered one. Great memories. Im glad to see you and your son and daughter shooting together. And thanks again for all your videos. I watch them over and over.
Thanks for the tests. Looks like the .22 mag with the 45 grain bullets are the best option for larger pest control. Both Critical Defense and Punch performed very well. Since you will use the .22 mag in low light conditions, do you plan to install a scope on it? Also, Federal makes a 50 grain 22 mag load. Have you ever used or tested it?
Thanks for your comment. I actually taped a small flashlight on the bottom of the four end and went out last night with my son. He found the raccoons with the thermal scope but with the flashlight I could actually see sites well enough and was able to take one of the raccoons high up in a tree. He fell with the thud. As for the Federal 50 grain round, yes I tested it and I was so disappointed. I got no expansion whatsoever. Even at 25 yards. If you go back and look at that gel block that I stood on its end, the second shot from the left has a really big expansion at about 10 in. That was when that 50 grain bullet started tumbling.
Is that seventeen h m r might be an o k gun For mouse hunting. But I found it fouled real easy and the wind was terrible with it
Savage Arms is now making a lever gun in .22 mag called the "Revel"
Yessir! I have one coming from Savage.
Thanks George!
You are welcome. Thanks for watching and thank you for your comment!
Both good but I'd go 22mag because ammo is cheaper.
Just wondering if a .22 LR hypervelocity wouldn't be just as effective, but a lot cheaper? I'd like to see some ballistic gel comparing .22 LR. I love how you shot the cap off of the second water bottle with the .22 WMR. Did you color in the lettering, or did the rifles come that way? Looking forward to the additional videos for these two great rifles. I don't have a .17 HMR in my collection, but I do have a Savage .22WMR bolt action rifle which I really like. Too bad I couldn't come to LA to help with your pest control!
Roy, I would pick you up in Shreveport no questions asked. It's a good question about the hyper velocity like stingers. I'll certainly cover that in a future video.
The biggest raccoons I ever saw were at Guadalupe River State Park (it might've been Perdenales River State Park?), the really large ones were probably pushing 35 pounds. The camp sites trash cans didn't have locking lids. I can see where a .22 mag with a heavy bullet would be needed.
My son has been to both parks. He has seen those giant coons.
Hello George, great video comparing the two Henry magnum rimfire rifles! I’m wondering if you could test some 20 grain .17 HRM, as the 17 grain bullets are typically built to explode and not penetrate. Maybe a round 2 and also try some 30 grain .22 WMR? Anyway, always a good time watching your videos, Cheers from Canada!
Great suggestion about the 20 grain at 17 hmr. I did shoot several 30 grain 22wmr and they were all lackluster at close range. Thanks for watching I appreciate all of my brothers up north!
My experience mirrors yours. I've found the 30gr. Hornady very capable as well.
I also just purchased a Rossi 22 mag lever gun,its very smooth
Thanks for sharing that. I went to the Rossi website and I don't see it available anymore. I wonder if I just missed it or did they give up on that platform?
Just go to a dealer that sells Rossi, they should order it for you, thats what I did.
Interesting video. From a cost perspective I might choose 38 SPCL or 357M. I can reload those cases.
The classic cartridge for this application is 25-20. Marlin Owners Forum has a spectacular thread on 25-20 hand loads.
The 25-20 is a great idea. I may need to start looking for an affordable candidate for the channel.
There's an Winchester Hi-wall in 25-20 I saw in a local shop. I've never dealt with that cartridge. Good luck on the coons, I hate them with a passion.
I love the .22 WMR for hunting. I've killed a bunch of things with it in a Ruger single six. In a rifle it's even better. I've been impressed with the accuracy of the .17 HMR though. Still, I'd choose the .22 WMR for raccoons.
17 HMR gives a one shot kill with no pass through and will not ricochet on a miss.
Good evening, sir, it was an interesting video for me, I would very much like to see a video between the 22 Mag vs 22 long rifle, using CCI stinger ammo , with my experience using these stinger rounds leaving the muzzle at approximately 1640 ft./s , I have found my Stinger rounds to be more than adequate for raccoons at 50+ yards, I believe a comparison would be really interesting , thank you George for the video ,
looking forward to seeing more of them in the future. Take care my friend. 👍
Hans that is a great idea. I'll start putting that together.
@@TargetSuite take care and the best to you and the family 😊
The 17 HMR never really did it for me. I had one for about two years, quite some time ago. It was a lot of fun to shoot at the range, but it’s performance on game always left me wanting (and needing) more. The exception to that would be headshots on woodchucks, but they’d take off and disappear if hit anywhere else. I didn’t like that, so I traded it in on something else. I’ll stick to 22LR and .223 Rem as my go-to 22 cal options.
Nice guns and very well done video. .22 wmr is an old favorite.
Browning and Winchester both made a .22 magnum in the past , I do not know if they are currently in production.
I have the Winchester Model 9422m. It's a great 22 Magnum lever gun. But, it's not made anymore. Neither is the Browning.
I've wondered what sort of performance the CCI "Gamepoint 40gr" in .22wmr (product part #22) would do at the same range. It's a jacketed soft point rated at 1875 fps, designed for "minimizing meat and hide damage" and "Dimple Tip allows the bullet to expand like a big game bullet for maximum energy transfer."
I agree overall, the .17 caliber just seems to be a pest-exploder for the most part. I'm sure there's something in .17hmr that can penetrate pretty well and hold together, but not in the ammo featured. Of these two, the .22wmr is the champ overall. Just does everything in small game within 200 yards and has ample penetration with the right projectile.
Thanks, George! A gentleman I know from the range includes both calibers in his collection. When I asked about the uses, he said for his purposes the .17HMR was better on paper but the .22WMR was better on live targets. Since that time, I have seen the .17HMR used on prairie dags with very good results. Could that mean the .17 gains lethality with distance? I admit to being utterly confused.
I think the 17 HMR would be perfect for Prairie dogs. They are small thin-skinned animals. And raccoons can be tough, tenacious, and large.
I love my Henry .22. Paul
A powerful .30 caliber airgun, cheap ammo, strangly accurate, and good killing power. Look for Air Gun Hunting South Africa Matt Duber has a lot a videos of taking out the Hyrax.
My son and I love Matt Duber and follow all of his adventures 😉
I would have to pick the 22 mag between those two. Though I have found that 22lr in the federal punch works great for trash pandas out of a marlin model 60
I'll have to try those 22LR Federal punch rounds.
22 Mag Speer Gold Dots will do very well too. For Raccoons they work really well.
I've been on the hunt for those and just wasn't able to find any in time. Thanks!
When I took my Henry Frontier 22WMR rifle out of the box, the front sight fell off. I put scope on it.
I've killed hundreds of raccoons over the last 40+ years. Most with a regular.22 lr. If i had to choose between the two in the video, I'll go with the .22 magnum.
Great review, thanks!
22 Hornet and 218 Bee would be wonderful for thinning your raccoon herd as well. You can get some really great classic rifles chambered in them and if you reload it really brings down the cost.
Great suggestion! I have a Savage Model 219 chambered in 22 hornet. It's a fairly new acquisition but I love it nonetheless.
@@TargetSuite I have a CZ 527 in 22 Hornet and it’s one of my favorite rifles. It would definitely be my go to for doing what you want to, more than enough for the biggest raccoon but still quite a bit milder than most center fire cartridges.
I love that particular CZ!
@@TargetSuite Yeah, I regret not getting the heavy barrel 17 Hornet and a .223 before they discontinued it. It’s an accurate rifle, has a Mauser action, and nice wood, what’s not to like.
Amen!
Yes, I wouldn't expect much performance from a 17 grain bullet, there's just not enough mass...
Rossi might make a 22 mag lever gun
Nice test. I’m curious how the Speer Gold Dot would stack up. There are times when the shallow penetration of the 17HMR is beneficial but I think the 22Mag is a better all around choice. Henry has a model that is set up for a scope from the factory. A suppressor and thermal optic would be an interesting departure from traditional form.
Cool video! Bring on the night vision, and lets see how it works on the raccoons!
Thanks. Unfortunately I can't share much night vision work or UA-cam will come down on the channel.
@@TargetSuite Figures. Every silver lining has a cloud. ;-) 🙂
Just a follow-up, I went out last night with my son. He had the thermal scope and found the raccoons. He shot two and I shot one using the Henry with a flashlight.
@@TargetSuite Did the Henry make them DRT or did they do some thrashing around?
I used a 22 WMR since 1966 and I would not base my choice on ballistic jell. The proven bullets I use are 30-gr. Federal Premium 22-mag ammo loaded with Sierra JHP bullets or a similar type of ammo brand from CCI or Winchester. CCI V-Max 30-grain ammo is decent but the Federal works best for my rifle.
I know from experience if you put out feeders for anything everything eats it. Rats, Pigs, Deer, Coons, Possums, Squirrels, Turkeys, Elk and Bears. Stocking Wild Turkeys is something I have done. Turkeys are as destructive to farmer’s crops as pigs. At lease, you get more meat from a pig than any Wild Turkey I know.
Wild trapped Turkeys are interesting Birds they are high strung at the least. If you turn them loose, they most likely will fly to the Next County and chances of you seeing them at your feeder is zero. Large flocks of Turkeys bring Coyotes, and they do not discriminate from young deer or a Turkey as food. They like small dogs and cats too. It would be less trouble raising Turkeys from eggs and keeping them around until they run off which they do if you use wild eggs. You city people are funny! 😆😅🤣😂👍
City people! That's funny.