I don't know why so many people who watch this film miss it, but the film literally tells you that Geddi-Prime has a black sun; that's why the Harkonners are in black and white.
fr my group and i got it on the first watch, and the fact that this only takes effect when exposed to sunlight, made me think it was well explained and obvious
Except it doesn't explain anything. There is no such thing as a black sun or light that would make everything look black and white. But it does look cool though.
Perhaps and hear me out, because its easy to miss? If you don't fully catch the one line that explains it or don't understand what it meant then the explanation goes to waste. When I was watching I didn't even realise they'd gone to a different planet.
"How.much does the worm actually feel?" The hooks? They dont. But the hooks are to lift the edge of segment...which allows sand in between and THAT hurts... so the worm.stay on the surface and doesnt roll over, as it shies away from the sand getting in.
18:24 they can’t use the laser on anything with shields because it will cause a nuclear chain reaction. Also the las guns are big and bulky so they had to take out the air cover before they could use them or they’d lose them
The main reason the Fremen didn’t use their lasguns in the beginning of the ambush scene was because they had to eliminate the shielded gunship first. They were attacking the harvester in open desert and had *zero* cover, which means the Harkonnen air support would quickly home in and kill the vulnerable lasgun teams the moment they fired and gave away their positions. The Fremen were forced to fight hand-to-hand and take the only cover available to them in that situation, the harvester itself. The cover of the harvester then gave their rocket team (Paul and Chani) the time and protection they needed to set up and reload in case they missed or failed to penetrate the thopter’s shield with their first shot. Which is exactly what happened. Attempting to take on that deadly ornithopter from out in the open would’ve probably been suicide.
They used lasguns in the first fight up on the mountain because Harkonnens were exposed and alone. The Harkonnen officer explicitly said "No shields!" because if one of them hit, it would blow up the entire mountain and everyone on it. In the fight around the spice harvester, Fremen had their own people close by so using lasguns wouldn't be prudent.
It's not that complex. It's just very rich. I found it an exhausting watch but worth it. I wanted to rewatch part1 before watching part2 but I just couldn't. These movies actually wear me out😅 maybe it's because it feels I'm binging a miniseries. The story is very linear and easy to follow but there is a LOT going on. The movie feels like eating double whopper instead of a normal one. It still tastes great but it is a bit too heavy. I really think they could have condensed the first movie a bit more. I am completely unfamiliar with the series or the books. But I get the feeling that Dune is not a story you can just fit into a film or two. It's clearly a very rich and dense story that maybe needs to be a high budget series.
@@GullibleTarget if you think it’s not complex then you didn’t understand even half of what’s going on. “I am completely unfamiliar with the series or the books” - should’ve opened and ended with that.
I especially like that it's not simply black and white, its actually infrared, which is way more interesting visually. It makes whites way more bright (like skin) and turns some dark colours white (like the Baron's or the Sisters' garments). The look is simply stunning!
What's especially cool is they actually shot the gladiator scene using infrared cameras, which gives everything an extra creepy vibe and why Austin's teeth looked black.
I love how people miss that, it literally says “under our glorious black sun”. If you see everything stripped out of color and there is a black sun maybe connect the dots? Or maybe it’s a lack of reading idk lol almost everyone misses that and it’s literally a mystery to me
Their personality changes after taking the water of life because it grants them all the memories of everyone who came before. Its like the phrase "The things my eyes have seen..." multiplied by milions. So PTSD to infinity.
So true. Our personalities are created through our experiences and understandings in our brain. Having your initial single personality crowded with thousands more is going to irrevocably change you into someone different, vastly different.
And incredibly wise. They now have prescience. Literally they're god-like with their omniscience. Of course they both change. Imagine, like Alia, a child suddenly got a brain transplant with a 90 year old woman. They wouldn't act they same, would they?
If you haven't done The Life of Brian, you definitely should. (If you know, you know.) 9:35 It doesn't get explained here, and I'm not even sure if it's officially explained in the books, but apparently the Fremen were hoarding water in order to attempt to re-green Arrakis. Arrakis wasn't always a desert - it's not clear to me from the books, but I figured it must have started to desertify well before living memory - but the presence of the sandworms and the way their larvae interact with water essentially caused Arrakis to become a desert, as well as producing the spice, which is pretty much the only reason anyone bothers with Arrakis at all. (I also got the implication that the sandworms aren't indigenous to Arrakis, but were introduced to produce spice.) The Fremen intend to re-green the planet to make it more habitable, which is going to take a *lot* of water (and even more if they need to kill off some of the worms to do it).
Paul’s little sister is indeed running around in the book just like the 1984 version. I assume they shortened the time frame just to avoid having a creepy toddler who talks like an adult in this film. They probably thought they couldn’t pull that off without it being silly or distracting.
You might be right, but if they're going to go on and make a "Children of Dune" movie, having creepy toddlers running around talking like adults is going to be unavoidable.
@@benjauron5873 haha, from what I have read, Villeneuve has zero desire to go beyond Dune Messiah. Figuring out how to make creepy toddlers appealing to watch will be someone else's problem.
"Lead them to paradise." The expression on his face is one of sorrow and regret. He knows that there is no other way, he will now be responsible for the death of billions upon billions of people.
A lot of people seem surprised that Jessica is strange after taking the water. She went on a terrible acid trip that lasted hundreds of years in a few minutes... No she's not alright😅
@@woo1818 A few drops of pain and sorrow are fine. An ocean planet worth of it should be enough to kill anything that has ever lived including something as monumental as a Dune Worm much less a "human" being.
In america, everybody says "crusade" for a great effort while "jihad" means terrorism. In the middle east, everybody says "jihad" for a great effort while "crusade" is colonialism.
I just **** myself thinking you made this comment without knowing about cowbell, and now that I realize you intended the joke- its even funnier to me. Send help
Yeah ! that's in the book. The movie is confusing about this but this is important because you prefer to use knifes and swords (not because you like it !!!!) and kinetic projectile guns, not so much laze gun.
@@goblin2bis707 The movie doesn't explain this rule, it just uses it. They never shoot lasers at a machine that uses an energy shield (ornithopter), but they do at a harvester or soldier, which can't use shields on sand. In the same way, he does not mention the nuclear weapon rule (cannot be used against human force), he just uses it. Paul blows up the mountain range, not the army.
They can’t use lasers (lasguns) whenever they want because if a lasgun hits a shield, you get the equivalent of a nuclear explosion which will also destroy the person with the lasgun. So first you have to take out anything that’s shielded.
@25:00 The interaction between a laser and a shielded object results in a [pseudo-]atomic reaction that destroys both. In addition, shields cause worms to go into a killing frenzy - ignoring others' territory.
Which makes no sense in the beginning. The Harkonnen on the rock refuse to put on their shields. Yes the shields attract worms and drive them into a frenzy, but so what? They're on a rock, out of reach.
The reason why the fight in the arena was black & white is, according to director Denis Villeneuve, because the sun of the Harkonnen home-planet "is so bright and blinding, it washes all other colors out."
not in the book !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the photosynthesis is weak on the planet because of volcanic wasteland and heavy industries. Not a silly ''black sun''.....however looks nice in the movie !!! lol
When Mrs. Movies said “I hate those things.” It reminded me of when Chris Farley and David Spade are dealing with the bat in Black Sheep and Farley says “I hate those damn things.” 😂
The absolute final line in the novel, that explains the situation magnificently, is Jessica, speaking to Chani, who is totally on board with Paul needing to take Irulan in a political marriage, in order to shore up his ascension to the imperial throne. She says, "Think on it Chani: that princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine- never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine- history will call us wives." This film rather unnecessarily convolutes Chani's character arc, in Denis Villenueve's words, to "show that Paul is not necessarily a hero", as the later novels definitely show the more terrible side of Muad'Dib's Jihad across the universe. In the novels, Chani is in total understanding of the political necessity of Paul's actions, and is supportive.
This is a film medium, and Denis chose to have an audience surrogate to drive the point home since, even since the 90s, when I read the book, most people still miss the point. Especially when it's on film. People tend to miss sutble point when their minds are used to ascribing virtue on the main character in a "hero's journey" type of narrative. All adaptations choose to make such choices. In this case, this choice was made to drive home the original author's point because most people are too oblivious to get it. People have repeatedly shown to be way too obtuse for interprative works despite Frank Herbert repeatedly saying on film what his story was meant to express. It makes sense to make that message more explicit.
Herbert said he wrote Dune to challenge the idea of a destined hero of prophecy that appears in so many other tales. Paul is not the hero, he is a cautionary tale.
Yeah, many scenes were fantastic on the IMAX big screen. No home theater could match that spectacle. I could feel the vibration of the worm battle in my bones.
@@benjalucian1515I watched on my TV and pulled my seat waaay up to the screen. I put my optic headphones in and the sound was just so intense. It actually made me woozy and tired.
In the book Paul makes sure that Channi knows that she is the only one he loves and the princess will never have any part of him other than as a way to get the throne. Channi is his wife in every way other than in name. What is coming is the freeman leaving their planet to have a holy war against every other house. 10's of millions or more will die.
Actually, over 60 billion will die ... so 10's of billions. In the Dune Messiah novel, the war lasted around 12 years. I think Denis will increase that to around 20 years or so in order for Anya Taylor-Joy to fit the role.
The scene with Chani supposedly bringing Paul back to life isn't so much about the tears themselves as it is about the fact that Chani's other name, Syihaya, means Desert Spring which perfectly matches the prophecy which says Paul will be brought back to life with "Desert Spring Tears".
Chani knew the whole time that she would never marry Paul. She also knew he would be faithful to her and she would be the only woman to have his kids. The marriage to Irulan was for status alone and Paul never sleeps with her. The most book accurate version is the 2000 SyFy channel Dune.
@@chadphelps5809 Chani dies during child birth to twins. Paul walks off into the desert because he loses his vision. One of the twins becomes a giant worm god. The books are almost 60 years old. Almost forgot, spoiler alert.
There was another Dune film that came out in 2000. It was a mini series from the Sci Fi channel if you like the story of Dune, but can forgive a lower production budget.
minor spoilers for anyone that wants to read the book: Wasn’t really shown in the film, but in the book whenever they ambush Harkonnens they steal their equipment and thopters. Jessica actually complains about having to ride worms between the North and South desert because Paul is saving fuel to use in the final battle. There’s a scene in the book when Chani shows up to “revive” Paul. She’s freaking out pretty bad because it was the first time she’d been allowed to use a thopter to travel between Sietches
@@haukionkannel no, it is not, it totally dismantles the idea of Chani's most wanted desire being the freedom of her people. So it's a stupid move from the film just to pander modern political agenda...
Chani’s character is completely altered here, in general. Villeneuve has said it’s because Herbert was disappointed that fans missed the message he intended: that jihads are a bad thing. So he gave Chani that viewpoint.
@@maxducoudray You're the one being a meme here talking out of ignorance: "Villeneuve has said it’s because Herbert was disappointed that fans missed the message he intended: that jihads are a bad thing." NO, Herbert wanted to message that MESSIANIC figures are a bad thing, that was the main reason he wrote "Dune: Messiah" as a more explanatory part. "Saying this is “modern political agenda” costs you all credibility. Try not to be a meme." NO, it's an objective analysis, not just comparing on the Lynch adaptation, which Chani is far more faithful to the novels, but also more truthful and logical to the character building itself. So here you go, you're clearly answering from your political bias, while I do from my artistic knowledge. You should already know who's the meme here, muppet...
Just south of the town of Alice Springs in the central desert of Australia there is a roughly linear, sharp, tall ridge. The road from the airport into town passes through a gap (known as The Gap) in the ridge, as does the Todd River (when it has water). When I first went to Alice, my party and I were in a shuttle bus when I first saw the ridge and gap. I explained to my companions that we were seeing the Shield Wall and we were going to pass through the gap that was created by use of the family atomics, allowing an invading force to ride giant sand worms into the town. Those who had read Dune smiled knowingly.
If you use a laser on a sheild you get a nuclear explosion. That's why laser guns aren't generally used. On Arrakis ground vehicles and people can't be shielded as it drives the worms into a killing frenzy.
"Was he using the voice at all there?" - Actually, yes, he was. In the book, he's using the voice extremely subtly to influence people to give up on needing to kill Stilgar to become leader (abandoning a long time tradition) and to accept him as the Lisan al-Gaib, making the whole thing infinitely more immoral than it already is because you're removing free will. I get why they didn't do distortion on his voice during the speech in the movie though, it might have ruined a pretty awesome but chilling sequence otherwise, but with knowledge of the book in mind, you can be sure the voice was used.
I agree, in the book he it is sort of a big deal that he's using the voice in this scene, but absolutely no need to add any further enhancement to the most amazing of performances by Chalumet!
Clever. I haven't read the books. I did notice a slight layering over Chalamet's voice when he did that scene where he proclaims himself 'the one' at that meeting. I thought there were multiple scenes where both Paul and Jessica had an extra layer over their voices in certain scenes. I thought I imagined it. But if it is the case, it is a very effective way if showing a viewer instead of 'telling' them.
The movie doesn't tell what the book says straightfully: Paul states that although the Princess will marry him, he will not give her any child not will she share his bed. That priviledge will remain Chani's only. In the book, that second part takes over two years. That movie spans that over just a few months.
Chani was changed from the book. In the book she is was a religious figure and believed in Paul. She spent most of the second half of the story killing the Fremen who wanted to challenge Paul for leadership.
I get that adaptations will usually be different from the source material in some ways but I thought Chani's change was one of the weaker choices in the movie. She didn't like it in the book but she basically understood Paul's need to enter into a political marriage. Here, on top of the changes you mentioned, they turned her into just a woman blindsided and scorned more or less when he announced his intentions.
@@P.HATHCOX I personally think the movie version of Chani is better and way more interesting. She's a real person and it makes sense that Paul loves her deeply. She isn't just the fremen version of a political marriage and a piece of property for him to have. The main issue I have with the movie/story is why Paul bothers with the marriage to Irulan at all. There is no real advantage to it. He has already defeated the Emperor and the Saudukar and he is going to fight the Great Houses anyways. He controls the spice and therefore the spacing guild and there is no real force that could stand against him political marriage or not. There is no appreciable benefit to marrying her and it just hurts the woman he actually loves.
Denis wanted to woke it up a bit for Gen-Z which is too bad. I still like the movie and a least he didn't go overboard with his lefty nonsense but it's in the mix.
@@Eleutherios1 Movie Chani is like a childish Gen-Z girl in high school. Chani in the book is a warrior and understands putting her duty above her feelings.
The reveal of Anya Taylor Joy as Alia was amazing. Before They announce Florence Pugh as Iruline many fans wanted Anya to play her. So her being cast as Alia was a sweet treat.
12:25 she was speaking chakobsa, the fremen language. If she was using the voice it would be all distorted / extra voices and lots of bass. Biggest hint is Paul just being confused why she is saying that, if it was the voice he would’ve gotten that blank thousand mile stare and stood up to search for the water of life for a few seconds The BG are t4ned extensively in languages they might need in tactical situations
i would like to point out, that paul let himself get injured as to make the fight look more entertaining, he knew every move that feyd would do, he was trained by the Bene Gesserit who are the best warriors in the known universe. and paul has the power of enhanced healing via bene gesserit prana bindu nerve training
I don't have time to point out all the differences between this movie and the book, because there are just too many, but I will say, to date, the most book-accurate screen adaptation of "Dune" remains the 2000 Sci-Fi Channel miniseries. You should watch that. They also did the sequel "Children of Dune," which covers books two and three in the series, a few years later.
Thanks for mentioning the miniseries. I’m sure the third instalment of this film series will eventually get around to it, but the miniseries explained a lot more, like the relationship between the spice and the worms. Hope that’s not a spoiler to anyone who hasn’t read the books or seen the miniseries.
I really do appreciate the miniseries. I just wish they had been properly funded. Unfortunately, though, the first miniseries does not even show Caladan (they start the series on the heighliner to Arrakis) and the Mentats are never really given their do. But it does show the weirding way, Paul's first son, explains the production of spice, portrays the Atreides banquet on Arrakis, etc.
@@accolade8060 and IMO, comes off as a school production which was mostly miscast. If one wants accuracy, they ought to read the books. I don't expect adaptations to be accurate, but simply capture the spirit, plus have its own voice. I'd never recommend the miniseries except for those who want to see all of the Dune productions made thus far.
I have heard many good things about that series. Don't get me wrong; I really enjoy these new movies but at times it was just so droning and dragging along. I am not familiar with the books so Im judging the movies only based on merit. To me; the movies are good but...a bit too dense and overstuffed. The story needed more time to breathe. It actually deserves to be a series. Maybe I will watch the series. It never intrigued me but this movie introduced me to a new epic universe I can sink my teeth in. I love the big, epic stuff.
In the book Pauls sister was born before the Emperor was called to Dune & she was the one that killed his grandfather so the 1984 version is more accurate. I am not that concerned about book accuracy as it is all but impossible to make a film 100% true to the book so I am more concerned that it conveys the & good version of the book which this series has done & covers the diversions with really impressive narrative. As for book to movie diversions Chani knew what was coming when Paul took the Princess as a wife as he had told her & Paul's mother had said to her "While only concubines, history would record Us as the wives" so the look between the Princess & Chani was; Chani 'You are nothing' & the Princess knowing it.
"It should be a mini-series." It is one! In fact, the answer to the question "Which adaptation of Dune is the closest to the books?" The answer is the Syfy Miniseries Dune and Dune Messiah!
"why don't they just use that laser for everything?" because the Harkonnens are using shields. if a laser hits a shield, it creates feedback that superheats everything around and triggers a nuclear explosion.
At the beginning of the movie when they kill the Harkonnen officer first, notice how it is not a laser, it's a maula slug. Then as soon as he drops dead they open up with lasers. They were checking if their shields were on.
The complaints about this movie, seeing Paul as stupid for resisting his fate, seeing nothing wrong with becoming the villain if it gets you what you want. To save his Mother and himself Paul sacrifices hundreds of millions of lives, and those people die in pretty horrific ways.
17:38 they don't say it in the movie But in the book if a laser strikes a shielded object the laser and the shielded object both are destroyed and in small nuclear explosion. Plus the 'thopter would have turned its guns on the person with the laser. So until the shielded vehicles are taken out you can't use your lasers. In the first movie the Saudaukar firing lasers at the shielded 'thopter are willing to kill themselves.
The thopter shields were apparently disabled by a rocket strike in that scene. There’s a shot from inside the cockpit where you hear an alarm blaring and his screens flashing red after Duncan was hit. The Harkonnen’s only open up with a las weapon after this happens.
Now I can't stop picturing the emperor ordering more cowbell because of Mrs Movies 🤣 Don't worry Mrs Movies. The Paul Chani love story doesn't end there. Paul just had to enter into a political marriage to take the throne. It's basically the same kind of political maneuvering that kept Duke Leto from officially marrying Jessica even though he loved her.
@benjalucian1515 Right...was pretty disappointed with the way they framed the whole thing in the movie. Apparently it was just to "illicit a stronger emotional response".
@@mantism.d.8363 Of course she did. I was simply pointing out that this movie is a tragedy and I'm not disappointed in any way how it was written or filmed.
Dude, i first saw this in IMAX and next on a regular cinema screen. The difference is night and day. That being said, I don't care how good you think your "home theatre" is, there is absolutely no comparison to IMAX. The Paul riding Shai Hulud scene itself was worth the price of admission. The sound design is insane. You FELT that scene just as much saw it.
Which version is more accurate to the books is really a mixed bag. '84 follows the books timeline and Chani's role better, but adds things like the weirding modules. This one hasbetter parts with Stilgar, the Harkonnens and such, but adds Chani's skepticism. All have their deviations because the books are probably unfilmable in pure form because so much is happening in the characters heads.
"Are they atheists?" I don't know that they ever really explicitly mention a god or gods in the films. Being skeptical isn't the same as being an atheist. And the "prophecy" is all about a savior (messiah), not a god. You could believe in the coming messiah and still be an atheist. Atheistism just means lack of belief in a god or gods. That's it. The definition includes no other meanings.
there were 2 series that covered roughly 2.5 books worth of info done by SyFy back in the early 2000s, it is honestly the closest book translation that was done those are Frank Herbert's Dune (2000) and Frank Herbert's Children of Dune (2002) they don't have the effects budget that these movies have, but they are worth checking out and would love to see you guys react to those also
Austin Butler did an interview on Graham Norton and when asked about his look he said he couldn't shave his head because he had another movie right after so it was a prosthetic that was made in one piece that went from the back of his head over his head and over his eyebrows. Took 3 hours to put it on and he said if it even slightly misaligned at the front he wasn't able to close his eyes.
to have a legitimate claim to the throne Paul had to marry Irrulian, its part of the culture its also why Jessica didn't marry Leto he had to keep the option of a political marriage open. this kind of thing still happens, the current King of the UK had a choice he could marry the woman he actually loved and not take the crown or do what he did do which was marry Diana and stay in line for the Throne.
Im still wondering why Villeneuve decided to keep the Spacing Guild`s involvement into the conspiracy against the Atreides completely out of his movies. Afterall, the emperor and the baron only agreed on Duke Leto´s death. It was the Spacing Guild which specifically demanded Paul´s death as singular requirement for their approval of the whole operation. Because their navigators foresaw in their spice visions that the duke´s son would somehow become some kind of a grave threat for them in the future.
I was part of the team that worked on the Dune films, I have to say I like your reactions the most. You look like you'd be a lot of fun to watch them with and I love the video where your daughter comes in ~ you guys are good parents! Cheers and thank you for sharing.
it's too easy to forget (or not catch onto the fact in the first place) that when his mom became the revered mother she also inherited all of the memories of those before her. and so did her unborn daughter. she became pure fremen.
One thing not explained about why the Freman didn't use the lasguns (lasers) against the thopter they took down was because lasers and shields in the dune universe have an extremely energetic reaction to the point the two feedback on each other and produce equivalent of a nuclear explosion. Furthermore the explosion can happen at any random point between the weapon and target so is just as likely to kill the user as much as the target. They had to take down the thopter first before that thing flew in the beam and produced the feared laser explosion.
They dont use laser weapons all the time because of Shields. If there are shields in play a laser causes a mini nuclear explosion as a reaction on contact with a laser weapons. That's why the unit in the beginning shouted no shields when they got ambushed. It is explained in the books as they only vaguely imply it in the first film when the Atredies are attacked
She's starting to grow on me. When I first starting watching this channel, she was like the "Movie Mannequin". She had this completely blank look on her face for entire movies, zero sign of reaction or personality. But she's finally becoming a bit more animated. In this movie, she's a bit annoying. Despite the characters saying the word like dozens of times, and after watching 6 hours of Dune, she still says "Freeman." and not Fremen, no matter what her husband says.
The Fremen religion is a blending of Islam and Buddhism. This is shown by mention of djinn and also mention of praying to the ancestors. I also really appreciated the face acting by all the major players aftet the ending duel.
Not entirely right. The religion in Dune is a blending of Christianity, Islam and Biddhism. That's why their holy book is called the Orange Catholic Bible
@@ratatoskr8190I thought the orange catholic bible was more like a treatise concocted after the Butlerian Jihad to restrain humanity from attempting to bring back machines that think (AI?)
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16:22 In the books, shooting a laser at a shield causes a reaction akin to an nuclear explosion, therefore lasers aren't used in warfare. Changing that does create a pretty big plothole, indeed...
38:00 Keep in mind that it's easy to plant a prophecy that comes "true" when you are the ones sending the person who is prophesied. All of those things he did are pretty much standard for the product of their breeding system. And they planted it on many planets, so while it may come true on Dune, it's not coming true anywhere else.
They cannot use lasers (they call them lasguns) when there are shields near by, as laser hitting energy shields creates atomic blast on both ends. Apparently sometimes they are willing to risk when topters with shields are still flying above crawlers. But usually they want to take out everything with shields first. This is explained in the book a few times, but they didn't think to mention this in the movie for some reason.
They did not use the lasers from the get go, when they attacked the harvester, because of the ornithopter, wich would have taken them out as soon as they reveal their position. And because of how the shields work they could not shoot it down with the lasers either. The shields block every fast moving physical thing like bullets and fast strikes, but hitting it with a laser would basicly trigger a nuclear explosion on both ends of the beam.That´s why most of the fighting is done with swords.
Visual, audio masterpiece with great acting but falls short on some categories. Notwithstanding, I shall watch this every year until I return my body to the well Id las-hah (approx)
Alia was 4 in the books, She killed the baron Harkonnen, not Paul... that's one difference between the book and these movies ! do not bet on the story after this, the entire story of the Dune Saga is crazier than you can even think of....LOL ! but the TV miniserie of 2000 and 2003 is closer to the books than these movies (and they had done 3 books ! Dune, messiah of Dune and the children of Dune).
For all you commenters saying 'You've got to see this in theatres': You're absolutely right! Seeing this at home vs seeing this in a proper theatre, is like the difference between seeing a partial solar eclipse with most of the sun covered vs seeing a total solar eclipse where all of the sun is covered.
I think the reason they don't use the lasers immediately against the harvesters is because of the thopter. If they fired them first, the thopters would find them and kill them before they could do much. They take out the thopter and now the lasers are free to take out the harvesters.
The most faithful adaptation of the book is the television miniseries so if you want to compare this movie to the books it is a good alternative if you don't want to read them. I think a couple major things about Channi and Paul's relationship that were not included in this movie were that Liet was Chani's father (Liet was a man in the book) and as mentioned the books covered years so it was enough time for Pual and Channi to have a son who was killed when the Harkonnens attacked the Fremen prior to their going south. These two things bonded Chani and Paul through grief as both their fathers and their son were killed by the Harkonnens.
Paul used the Voice in a way that politicians use it- extrapolate from FDR, Lincoln, Churchill, etc… inspirational speeches that won wars. I think this is what Frank Herbert thought of as an evolution of this ability.
I don't know why so many people who watch this film miss it, but the film literally tells you that Geddi-Prime has a black sun; that's why the Harkonners are in black and white.
fr my group and i got it on the first watch, and the fact that this only takes effect when exposed to sunlight, made me think it was well explained and obvious
Except it doesn't explain anything. There is no such thing as a black sun or light that would make everything look black and white. But it does look cool though.
@@sntxrrr multiple physicsts have made videos saying its possible, the sun emits a light so bright it washes out all colors aside from white
Perhaps and hear me out, because its easy to miss? If you don't fully catch the one line that explains it or don't understand what it meant then the explanation goes to waste. When I was watching I didn't even realise they'd gone to a different planet.
@@sntxrrrwho cares. It’s a fictional movie, it was said and no one paid attention to it.
"How.much does the worm actually feel?"
The hooks? They dont. But the hooks are to lift the edge of segment...which allows sand in between and THAT hurts... so the worm.stay on the surface and doesnt roll over, as it shies away from the sand getting in.
Absolutely brilliant
Yup, and they get off the same way they got on.
Call him SHY-hulud 👉🏼👈🏼 🙈
Edging can hurt the worm? So it stays up and doesn't go down for as long as the rider peels the skin back? Makes sense.
And if you move the hooks towards the side, the worm will roll to keep the hooks on the top. And when it rolls, it turns, which is how you steer it.
18:24 they can’t use the laser on anything with shields because it will cause a nuclear chain reaction. Also the las guns are big and bulky so they had to take out the air cover before they could use them or they’d lose them
Was just about to say this. Laser + Shield = Big Boom.
The main reason the Fremen didn’t use their lasguns in the beginning of the ambush scene was because they had to eliminate the shielded gunship first. They were attacking the harvester in open desert and had *zero* cover, which means the Harkonnen air support would quickly home in and kill the vulnerable lasgun teams the moment they fired and gave away their positions.
The Fremen were forced to fight hand-to-hand and take the only cover available to them in that situation, the harvester itself. The cover of the harvester then gave their rocket team (Paul and Chani) the time and protection they needed to set up and reload in case they missed or failed to penetrate the thopter’s shield with their first shot. Which is exactly what happened.
Attempting to take on that deadly ornithopter from out in the open would’ve probably been suicide.
They used lasguns in the first fight up on the mountain because Harkonnens were exposed and alone. The Harkonnen officer explicitly said "No shields!" because if one of them hit, it would blow up the entire mountain and everyone on it. In the fight around the spice harvester, Fremen had their own people close by so using lasguns wouldn't be prudent.
Watching a piece of art as complex as Dune without remembering what happened in the previous movie is a big mistake.
It's not that complex. It's just very rich. I found it an exhausting watch but worth it. I wanted to rewatch part1 before watching part2 but I just couldn't. These movies actually wear me out😅 maybe it's because it feels I'm binging a miniseries. The story is very linear and easy to follow but there is a LOT going on. The movie feels like eating double whopper instead of a normal one. It still tastes great but it is a bit too heavy. I really think they could have condensed the first movie a bit more. I am completely unfamiliar with the series or the books. But I get the feeling that Dune is not a story you can just fit into a film or two. It's clearly a very rich and dense story that maybe needs to be a high budget series.
@@GullibleTarget if you think it’s not complex then you didn’t understand even half of what’s going on.
“I am completely unfamiliar with the series or the books” - should’ve opened and ended with that.
@@VDViktor "complex" has a specific meaning. Gravity's rainbow is "complex." A critique of pure reason is "complex." Dune is not.
Giedi Prime (Harkonnen main planet) has a black sun and makes everything monochromatic. You will notice indoors they have a little bit of color.
i love the shot of the bene geserit sisters walking out and their black dresses changing to white
I especially like that it's not simply black and white, its actually infrared, which is way more interesting visually. It makes whites way more bright (like skin) and turns some dark colours white (like the Baron's or the Sisters' garments). The look is simply stunning!
What's especially cool is they actually shot the gladiator scene using infrared cameras, which gives everything an extra creepy vibe and why Austin's teeth looked black.
Very nice and to the point explanation.
I love how people miss that, it literally says “under our glorious black sun”. If you see everything stripped out of color and there is a black sun maybe connect the dots? Or maybe it’s a lack of reading idk lol almost everyone misses that and it’s literally a mystery to me
the imagery of a burnt chani was a prophetic vision of what would happen if paul didn't go south
Austin Butler's Performance as Feyd Rautha is instantly iconic. This film is in general iconic already at this point.
Their personality changes after taking the water of life because it grants them all the memories of everyone who came before.
Its like the phrase "The things my eyes have seen..." multiplied by milions.
So PTSD to infinity.
So true. Our personalities are created through our experiences and understandings in our brain. Having your initial single personality crowded with thousands more is going to irrevocably change you into someone different, vastly different.
And incredibly wise. They now have prescience. Literally they're god-like with their omniscience. Of course they both change. Imagine, like Alia, a child suddenly got a brain transplant with a 90 year old woman. They wouldn't act they same, would they?
According to the books it actually takes a very well trained mind to not go mad and become possessed by the dead.
@@benjalucian1515Tbf only Paul has nearly perfect prescience
In the case of Jessica is the memories of the Reverend Mothers. In the case of Paul it's not memories, just visions
Basically a power amplifier.
If you haven't done The Life of Brian, you definitely should. (If you know, you know.)
9:35 It doesn't get explained here, and I'm not even sure if it's officially explained in the books, but apparently the Fremen were hoarding water in order to attempt to re-green Arrakis. Arrakis wasn't always a desert - it's not clear to me from the books, but I figured it must have started to desertify well before living memory - but the presence of the sandworms and the way their larvae interact with water essentially caused Arrakis to become a desert, as well as producing the spice, which is pretty much the only reason anyone bothers with Arrakis at all. (I also got the implication that the sandworms aren't indigenous to Arrakis, but were introduced to produce spice.) The Fremen intend to re-green the planet to make it more habitable, which is going to take a *lot* of water (and even more if they need to kill off some of the worms to do it).
It was great that “cowbell” was mentioned at the start because the emperor laters walks straight into that joke by asking, “More. More. Give me more.”
Paul’s little sister is indeed running around in the book just like the 1984 version. I assume they shortened the time frame just to avoid having a creepy toddler who talks like an adult in this film. They probably thought they couldn’t pull that off without it being silly or distracting.
And they missed out Paul and Chani's child being killed by the Sardukar.
You might be right, but if they're going to go on and make a "Children of Dune" movie, having creepy toddlers running around talking like adults is going to be unavoidable.
@@benjauron5873 haha, from what I have read, Villeneuve has zero desire to go beyond Dune Messiah. Figuring out how to make creepy toddlers appealing to watch will be someone else's problem.
@@benjauron5873 In the Children of Dune mini-series they just aged them up higher.
She's gonna find school to be a breeze. Until high school when the cliques reject her for being weird.
"Lead them to paradise." The expression on his face is one of sorrow and regret. He knows that there is no other way, he will now be responsible for the death of billions upon billions of people.
"I'll be given centuries of pain and sorrow."
"Is it dangerous?"
"DID I JUST STUTTER?"
😆 IKR? Everything she said just went over his head.
A lot of people seem surprised that Jessica is strange after taking the water. She went on a terrible acid trip that lasted hundreds of years in a few minutes... No she's not alright😅
I mean, pain and sorrow aren’t necessarily dangerous.
@@woo1818 A few drops of pain and sorrow are fine. An ocean planet worth of it should be enough to kill anything that has ever lived including something as monumental as a Dune Worm much less a "human" being.
@@parker469athe Bene Gesserit are conditioned to have a chance at withstanding it. And the worms can’t handle contact with any amount of water.
Green Paradise
Aka"i got a fever and the only remedy is Galactic Jihad."
I hate that the word Jihad is now associated with terrorism which is why it was not used in the movie
This jihad needs more cowbell.
In america, everybody says "crusade" for a great effort while "jihad" means terrorism. In the middle east, everybody says "jihad" for a great effort while "crusade" is colonialism.
I just **** myself thinking you made this comment without knowing about cowbell, and now that I realize you intended the joke- its even funnier to me. Send help
@@TheFalconerNZ To be fair, to the Empire, Paul and the Fremen are terrorists... using fear and nuclear weapons to get their way.
"...you're great at walking without rhythm."
Omg such a roast!
Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm.
16:22 If the Laze Gun Beams hits the shields, it causes a thermonuclear explosion, then...Adios Muchachos.
On both ends if I'm remembering right.
yes, and this is not emphasized enough in the film.
@@JagerusI don't think it's ever mentioned.
Yeah ! that's in the book. The movie is confusing about this but this is important because you prefer to use knifes and swords (not because you like it !!!!) and kinetic projectile guns, not so much laze gun.
@@goblin2bis707 The movie doesn't explain this rule, it just uses it. They never shoot lasers at a machine that uses an energy shield (ornithopter), but they do at a harvester or soldier, which can't use shields on sand. In the same way, he does not mention the nuclear weapon rule (cannot be used against human force), he just uses it. Paul blows up the mountain range, not the army.
They can’t use lasers (lasguns) whenever they want because if a lasgun hits a shield, you get the equivalent of a nuclear explosion which will also destroy the person with the lasgun. So first you have to take out anything that’s shielded.
@25:00 The interaction between a laser and a shielded object results in a [pseudo-]atomic reaction that destroys both. In addition, shields cause worms to go into a killing frenzy - ignoring others' territory.
and causes blindness in those unfortunate to be looking. Blind Fremen belong to the desert.
Was just about to say this. Laser + Shield = Big Boom.
Which makes no sense in the beginning. The Harkonnen on the rock refuse to put on their shields. Yes the shields attract worms and drive them into a frenzy, but so what? They're on a rock, out of reach.
@@benjalucian1515 That's straight out of the books, and one reason for the reintroduction of the use of edged weapons
@@FlyingTigress Yes, it's straight out of the books, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.
The reason why the fight in the arena was black & white is, according to director Denis Villeneuve, because the sun of the Harkonnen home-planet "is so bright and blinding, it washes all other colors out."
Isn't it a Black Sun, that plays off the Harkonnens being some what based off Nazi Germany ?
They said it in film, it’s black
It’s a black sun per denis
not in the book !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the photosynthesis is weak on the planet because of volcanic wasteland and heavy industries. Not a silly ''black sun''.....however looks nice in the movie !!! lol
Jessica was never the wife of Paul’s father. She was his concubine. Chani will be the same to Paul.
“She’s wasting her water” You may really be Freman!
When Mrs. Movies said “I hate those things.” It reminded me of when Chris Farley and David Spade are dealing with the bat in Black Sheep and Farley says “I hate those damn things.” 😂
The absolute final line in the novel, that explains the situation magnificently, is Jessica, speaking to Chani, who is totally on board with Paul needing to take Irulan in a political marriage, in order to shore up his ascension to the imperial throne. She says, "Think on it Chani: that princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine- never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine- history will call us wives."
This film rather unnecessarily convolutes Chani's character arc, in Denis Villenueve's words, to "show that Paul is not necessarily a hero", as the later novels definitely show the more terrible side of Muad'Dib's Jihad across the universe. In the novels, Chani is in total understanding of the political necessity of Paul's actions, and is supportive.
This is a film medium, and Denis chose to have an audience surrogate to drive the point home since, even since the 90s, when I read the book, most people still miss the point. Especially when it's on film. People tend to miss sutble point when their minds are used to ascribing virtue on the main character in a "hero's journey" type of narrative. All adaptations choose to make such choices. In this case, this choice was made to drive home the original author's point because most people are too oblivious to get it.
People have repeatedly shown to be way too obtuse for interprative works despite Frank Herbert repeatedly saying on film what his story was meant to express. It makes sense to make that message more explicit.
Herbert said he wrote Dune to challenge the idea of a destined hero of prophecy that appears in so many other tales. Paul is not the hero, he is a cautionary tale.
Mr Movie's face was all of us in theaters
Such a good movie. That scene of the Harkonnen's floating up the rock took my breath away on the big screen
Yeah, many scenes were fantastic on the IMAX big screen. No home theater could match that spectacle. I could feel the vibration of the worm battle in my bones.
@@benjalucian1515I watched on my TV and pulled my seat waaay up to the screen. I put my optic headphones in and the sound was just so intense. It actually made me woozy and tired.
In the book Paul makes sure that Channi knows that she is the only one he loves and the princess will never have any part of him other than as a way to get the throne. Channi is his wife in every way other than in name. What is coming is the freeman leaving their planet to have a holy war against every other house. 10's of millions or more will die.
Actually, over 60 billion will die ... so 10's of billions. In the Dune Messiah novel, the war lasted around 12 years. I think Denis will increase that to around 20 years or so in order for Anya Taylor-Joy to fit the role.
The scene with Chani supposedly bringing Paul back to life isn't so much about the tears themselves as it is about the fact that Chani's other name, Syihaya, means Desert Spring which perfectly matches the prophecy which says Paul will be brought back to life with "Desert Spring Tears".
Chani knew the whole time that she would never marry Paul. She also knew he would be faithful to her and she would be the only woman to have his kids. The marriage to Irulan was for status alone and Paul never sleeps with her.
The most book accurate version is the 2000 SyFy channel Dune.
Very good mini series overall hated the costumes. Czech cast was disappointing.
@andrelockridge9109 costumes did suck. They did good for a $3 budget
It doesn’t say any of this in the movie. Stop spoiling the books for people
@@chadphelps5809 Chani dies during child birth to twins. Paul walks off into the desert because he loses his vision. One of the twins becomes a giant worm god. The books are almost 60 years old. Almost forgot, spoiler alert.
@@ohbejuankenobi663 good thing the movies didn’t go like the books lol.
29:35
Because it’s not just a filter, it was filmed using an infrared camera.
Note: The Harkonens kill the birds because the Fremen communicate between sieches via the birds!
There was another Dune film that came out in 2000. It was a mini series from the Sci Fi channel if you like the story of Dune, but can forgive a lower production budget.
36:35 I like to think that the fremen retrieved and repaired the ‘thopter from part one.
minor spoilers for anyone that wants to read the book:
Wasn’t really shown in the film, but in the book whenever they ambush Harkonnens they steal their equipment and thopters. Jessica actually complains about having to ride worms between the North and South desert because Paul is saving fuel to use in the final battle.
There’s a scene in the book when Chani shows up to “revive” Paul. She’s freaking out pretty bad because it was the first time she’d been allowed to use a thopter to travel between Sietches
This Chani is blindsided by the marriage thing. In the book, she's aware of the why of it, and they explain it to her to make her feel better.
In books they have severals years time to develop their relationship… in this less than 9 months… so the reaction is definitely believeable
@@haukionkannel no, it is not, it totally dismantles the idea of Chani's most wanted desire being the freedom of her people. So it's a stupid move from the film just to pander modern political agenda...
Chani’s character is completely altered here, in general. Villeneuve has said it’s because Herbert was disappointed that fans missed the message he intended: that jihads are a bad thing. So he gave Chani that viewpoint.
@@perrymanso6841Saying this is “modern political agenda” costs you all credibility. Try not to be a meme.
@@maxducoudray You're the one being a meme here talking out of ignorance:
"Villeneuve has said it’s because Herbert was disappointed that fans missed the message he intended: that jihads are a bad thing."
NO, Herbert wanted to message that MESSIANIC figures are a bad thing, that was the main reason he wrote "Dune: Messiah" as a more explanatory part.
"Saying this is “modern political agenda” costs you all credibility. Try not to be a meme."
NO, it's an objective analysis, not just comparing on the Lynch adaptation, which Chani is far more faithful to the novels, but also more truthful and logical to the character building itself.
So here you go, you're clearly answering from your political bias, while I do from my artistic knowledge. You should already know who's the meme here, muppet...
Just south of the town of Alice Springs in the central desert of Australia there is a roughly linear, sharp, tall ridge. The road from the airport into town passes through a gap (known as The Gap) in the ridge, as does the Todd River (when it has water). When I first went to Alice, my party and I were in a shuttle bus when I first saw the ridge and gap. I explained to my companions that we were seeing the Shield Wall and we were going to pass through the gap that was created by use of the family atomics, allowing an invading force to ride giant sand worms into the town. Those who had read Dune smiled knowingly.
They don’t know she’s pregnant in the beginning so they aren’t thinking morning sickness
If you use a laser on a sheild you get a nuclear explosion. That's why laser guns aren't generally used. On Arrakis ground vehicles and people can't be shielded as it drives the worms into a killing frenzy.
You guys should check out the 2000 Dune miniseries and it's sequel for your TV channel. They're available on UA-cam or DVD.
The visual effects may suffer a little for some modern viewers but I agree both are worth watching.
It's a good college level stage play, including the over the top costumes.
@@P.HATHCOX Would love to see a fan edit with the poor CGI ships and worms replaced with clips from the 21/24 🤩
It's a half hour shorter than the 21/24 combined and still includes nearly everything 😅
It's my preferred adaptation, even with the shoddy visuals.
Is it still on UA-cam? I watched the first episode like 5 months ago and recently looked up the next episode and couldn’t find it
"Was he using the voice at all there?" - Actually, yes, he was. In the book, he's using the voice extremely subtly to influence people to give up on needing to kill Stilgar to become leader (abandoning a long time tradition) and to accept him as the Lisan al-Gaib, making the whole thing infinitely more immoral than it already is because you're removing free will. I get why they didn't do distortion on his voice during the speech in the movie though, it might have ruined a pretty awesome but chilling sequence otherwise, but with knowledge of the book in mind, you can be sure the voice was used.
Paul is a walking example of "the ends justify the means".
@@rikk319
If I could see all the different paths the future might take, I would be too.
I agree, in the book he it is sort of a big deal that he's using the voice in this scene, but absolutely no need to add any further enhancement to the most amazing of performances by Chalumet!
@@MOZONEandGlambot YES, it's mind-bogglingly good! And all of that in a fake foreign language too, it's crazy!
Clever. I haven't read the books. I did notice a slight layering over Chalamet's voice when he did that scene where he proclaims himself 'the one' at that meeting. I thought there were multiple scenes where both Paul and Jessica had an extra layer over their voices in certain scenes. I thought I imagined it. But if it is the case, it is a very effective way if showing a viewer instead of 'telling' them.
The movie doesn't tell what the book says straightfully: Paul states that although the Princess will marry him, he will not give her any child not will she share his bed. That priviledge will remain Chani's only.
In the book, that second part takes over two years. That movie spans that over just a few months.
"If you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the worm"
Chani was changed from the book. In the book she is was a religious figure and believed in Paul. She spent most of the second half of the story killing the Fremen who wanted to challenge Paul for leadership.
I get that adaptations will usually be different from the source material in some ways but I thought Chani's change was one of the weaker choices in the movie. She didn't like it in the book but she basically understood Paul's need to enter into a political marriage. Here, on top of the changes you mentioned, they turned her into just a woman blindsided and scorned more or less when he announced his intentions.
@@P.HATHCOX I hated the change :/
@@P.HATHCOX I personally think the movie version of Chani is better and way more interesting. She's a real person and it makes sense that Paul loves her deeply. She isn't just the fremen version of a political marriage and a piece of property for him to have. The main issue I have with the movie/story is why Paul bothers with the marriage to Irulan at all. There is no real advantage to it. He has already defeated the Emperor and the Saudukar and he is going to fight the Great Houses anyways. He controls the spice and therefore the spacing guild and there is no real force that could stand against him political marriage or not. There is no appreciable benefit to marrying her and it just hurts the woman he actually loves.
Denis wanted to woke it up a bit for Gen-Z which is too bad. I still like the movie and a least he didn't go overboard with his lefty nonsense but it's in the mix.
@@Eleutherios1 Movie Chani is like a childish Gen-Z girl in high school. Chani in the book is a warrior and understands putting her duty above her feelings.
The reveal of Anya Taylor Joy as Alia was amazing. Before They announce Florence Pugh as Iruline many fans wanted Anya to play her. So her being cast as Alia was a sweet treat.
12:25 she was speaking chakobsa, the fremen language. If she was using the voice it would be all distorted / extra voices and lots of bass. Biggest hint is Paul just being confused why she is saying that, if it was the voice he would’ve gotten that blank thousand mile stare and stood up to search for the water of life for a few seconds
The BG are t4ned extensively in languages they might need in tactical situations
And she'd just learnt perfect Chaksoba from the memories of past Reverend Mothers, had her language training been insufficient.
The worm riding scene still gives me chills. One of the most incredible theatrical experiences I’ve ever had.
i would like to point out, that paul let himself get injured as to make the fight look more entertaining, he knew every move that feyd would do, he was trained by the Bene Gesserit who are the best warriors in the known universe. and paul has the power of enhanced healing via bene gesserit prana bindu nerve training
I have too, a home Theater. But not IMAX.
You’ve seen half of the movie.
And the worm riding sequence misses the sound vibrations on the seats.
I don't have time to point out all the differences between this movie and the book, because there are just too many, but I will say, to date, the most book-accurate screen adaptation of "Dune" remains the 2000 Sci-Fi Channel miniseries. You should watch that. They also did the sequel "Children of Dune," which covers books two and three in the series, a few years later.
Thanks for mentioning the miniseries. I’m sure the third instalment of this film series will eventually get around to it, but the miniseries explained a lot more, like the relationship between the spice and the worms. Hope that’s not a spoiler to anyone who hasn’t read the books or seen the miniseries.
I really do appreciate the miniseries. I just wish they had been properly funded. Unfortunately, though, the first miniseries does not even show Caladan (they start the series on the heighliner to Arrakis) and the Mentats are never really given their do. But it does show the weirding way, Paul's first son, explains the production of spice, portrays the Atreides banquet on Arrakis, etc.
@@accolade8060 and IMO, comes off as a school production which was mostly miscast. If one wants accuracy, they ought to read the books. I don't expect adaptations to be accurate, but simply capture the spirit, plus have its own voice. I'd never recommend the miniseries except for those who want to see all of the Dune productions made thus far.
I have heard many good things about that series. Don't get me wrong; I really enjoy these new movies but at times it was just so droning and dragging along. I am not familiar with the books so Im judging the movies only based on merit. To me; the movies are good but...a bit too dense and overstuffed. The story needed more time to breathe. It actually deserves to be a series. Maybe I will watch the series. It never intrigued me but this movie introduced me to a new epic universe I can sink my teeth in. I love the big, epic stuff.
29:30 The first kiss was in the script. Not the second one, it's improvised.
In the book Pauls sister was born before the Emperor was called to Dune & she was the one that killed his grandfather so the 1984 version is more accurate. I am not that concerned about book accuracy as it is all but impossible to make a film 100% true to the book so I am more concerned that it conveys the & good version of the book which this series has done & covers the diversions with really impressive narrative. As for book to movie diversions Chani knew what was coming when Paul took the Princess as a wife as he had told her & Paul's mother had said to her "While only concubines, history would record Us as the wives" so the look between the Princess & Chani was; Chani 'You are nothing' & the Princess knowing it.
"It should be a mini-series." It is one! In fact, the answer to the question "Which adaptation of Dune is the closest to the books?" The answer is the Syfy Miniseries Dune and Dune Messiah!
And Children of Dune
@@persephonebasilissa5109 Yes! That's what I meant! Children of Dune!!! Thanks :)
"why don't they just use that laser for everything?"
because the Harkonnens are using shields. if a laser hits a shield, it creates feedback that superheats everything around and triggers a nuclear explosion.
At the beginning of the movie when they kill the Harkonnen officer first, notice how it is not a laser, it's a maula slug. Then as soon as he drops dead they open up with lasers. They were checking if their shields were on.
@@pablom-f8762 still a dangerous gamble. imagine if one Harkonnen had accidentally turned his shield on... that'd be a much shorter movie/book
The complaints about this movie, seeing Paul as stupid for resisting his fate, seeing nothing wrong with becoming the villain if it gets you what you want.
To save his Mother and himself Paul sacrifices hundreds of millions of lives, and those people die in pretty horrific ways.
17:38 they don't say it in the movie But in the book if a laser strikes a shielded object the laser and the shielded object both are destroyed and in small nuclear explosion. Plus the 'thopter would have turned its guns on the person with the laser. So until the shielded vehicles are taken out you can't use your lasers. In the first movie the Saudaukar firing lasers at the shielded 'thopter are willing to kill themselves.
The thopter shields were apparently disabled by a rocket strike in that scene. There’s a shot from inside the cockpit where you hear an alarm blaring and his screens flashing red after Duncan was hit. The Harkonnen’s only open up with a las weapon after this happens.
Now I can't stop picturing the emperor ordering more cowbell because of Mrs Movies 🤣
Don't worry Mrs Movies. The Paul Chani love story doesn't end there. Paul just had to enter into a political marriage to take the throne. It's basically the same kind of political maneuvering that kept Duke Leto from officially marrying Jessica even though he loved her.
I always have trouble not picturing him wearing a banana with a revolver to his head: from _Deer Hunter,_ the film that made Walken a super star.
This is one of the greatest tragedies of all time. How much Paul loved the Fremen and Chani, yet he had to break her heart to save them and humanity
She got over it
@benjalucian1515 Right...was pretty disappointed with the way they framed the whole thing in the movie. Apparently it was just to "illicit a stronger emotional response".
@@mantism.d.8363 Of course she did. I was simply pointing out that this movie is a tragedy and I'm not disappointed in any way how it was written or filmed.
@@mantism.d.8363Well it worked because Chani is a terribly flat character in the book and boring as hell
I'm a dune, he's a dune, she's a dune, we're all dunes, hey!
Dude, i first saw this in IMAX and next on a regular cinema screen. The difference is night and day. That being said, I don't care how good you think your "home theatre" is, there is absolutely no comparison to IMAX. The Paul riding Shai Hulud scene itself was worth the price of admission. The sound design is insane. You FELT that scene just as much saw it.
Which version is more accurate to the books is really a mixed bag. '84 follows the books timeline and Chani's role better, but adds things like the weirding modules. This one hasbetter parts with Stilgar, the Harkonnens and such, but adds Chani's skepticism. All have their deviations because the books are probably unfilmable in pure form because so much is happening in the characters heads.
"Are they atheists?" I don't know that they ever really explicitly mention a god or gods in the films. Being skeptical isn't the same as being an atheist. And the "prophecy" is all about a savior (messiah), not a god. You could believe in the coming messiah and still be an atheist. Atheistism just means lack of belief in a god or gods. That's it. The definition includes no other meanings.
Almost pissed myself at 7:16 "Not right now" strait faced as well
there were 2 series that covered roughly 2.5 books worth of info done by SyFy back in the early 2000s, it is honestly the closest book translation that was done those are Frank Herbert's Dune (2000) and Frank Herbert's Children of Dune (2002) they don't have the effects budget that these movies have, but they are worth checking out and would love to see you guys react to those also
3:12 Alright, call it! Mrs. Movies wins the Reaction.🤣
Austin Butler did an interview on Graham Norton and when asked about his look he said he couldn't shave his head because he had another movie right after so it was a prosthetic that was made in one piece that went from the back of his head over his head and over his eyebrows. Took 3 hours to put it on and he said if it even slightly misaligned at the front he wasn't able to close his eyes.
The Harkonnens planet Giedi Prime has a black sun. Only infrared light reaches the surface.
to have a legitimate claim to the throne Paul had to marry Irrulian, its part of the culture its also why Jessica didn't marry Leto he had to keep the option of a political marriage open. this kind of thing still happens, the current King of the UK had a choice he could marry the woman he actually loved and not take the crown or do what he did do which was marry Diana and stay in line for the Throne.
27:24 The arena scene is in black and white because the Harkonnen's home planet, Giedi Prime, is under a black sun.
Im still wondering why Villeneuve decided to keep the Spacing Guild`s involvement into the conspiracy against the Atreides completely out of his movies. Afterall, the emperor and the baron only agreed on Duke Leto´s death. It was the Spacing Guild which specifically demanded Paul´s death as singular requirement for their approval of the whole operation. Because their navigators foresaw in their spice visions that the duke´s son would somehow become some kind of a grave threat for them in the future.
I was part of the team that worked on the Dune films, I have to say I like your reactions the most. You look like you'd be a lot of fun to watch them with and I love the video where your daughter comes in ~ you guys are good parents! Cheers and thank you for sharing.
Geddi-Prime has a black sun, that's why the Harkonnens are in black and white.
Metal.
it's too easy to forget (or not catch onto the fact in the first place) that when his mom became the revered mother she also inherited all of the memories of those before her. and so did her unborn daughter. she became pure fremen.
One thing not explained about why the Freman didn't use the lasguns (lasers) against the thopter they took down was because lasers and shields in the dune universe have an extremely energetic reaction to the point the two feedback on each other and produce equivalent of a nuclear explosion. Furthermore the explosion can happen at any random point between the weapon and target so is just as likely to kill the user as much as the target. They had to take down the thopter first before that thing flew in the beam and produced the feared laser explosion.
I think that the guys in black during the coliseum fight are analogous to picadors in bull fighting.
There is a, not so good miniseries that tries to tell the story of the aftermath of Pauls choises. I really want a 3rd movie in this style.
They dont use laser weapons all the time because of Shields. If there are shields in play a laser causes a mini nuclear explosion as a reaction on contact with a laser weapons. That's why the unit in the beginning shouted no shields when they got ambushed. It is explained in the books as they only vaguely imply it in the first film when the Atredies are attacked
There is the mouse: him "oh cute!" her "😐"
I knew your wife was scary, but I didn’t know she is BenaGesserite scary! Much love! 😂
She's starting to grow on me. When I first starting watching this channel, she was like the "Movie Mannequin". She had this completely blank look on her face for entire movies, zero sign of reaction or personality. But she's finally becoming a bit more animated. In this movie, she's a bit annoying. Despite the characters saying the word like dozens of times, and after watching 6 hours of Dune, she still says "Freeman." and not Fremen, no matter what her husband says.
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The Fremen religion is a blending of Islam and Buddhism. This is shown by mention of djinn and also mention of praying to the ancestors.
I also really appreciated the face acting by all the major players aftet the ending duel.
Not entirely right. The religion in Dune is a blending of Christianity, Islam and Biddhism. That's why their holy book is called the Orange Catholic Bible
@@ratatoskr8190I thought the orange catholic bible was more like a treatise concocted after the Butlerian Jihad to restrain humanity from attempting to bring back machines that think (AI?)
You should watch ,escape to victory ,if you haven't seen it yet, it's a brilliant movie ,it's so so good, you wont be disappointed , also dances with wolves and the young guns 1 and 2 and the mad max movies oh and the lethal weapon movies and rocky & rambo movie
And field of dreams also again if you haven't seen them
Rick xxx.
16:22 In the books, shooting a laser at a shield causes a reaction akin to an nuclear explosion, therefore lasers aren't used in warfare. Changing that does create a pretty big plothole, indeed...
It seems like the only direction Christopher Walken was given was to NOT act like Christopher Walken.
38:00 Keep in mind that it's easy to plant a prophecy that comes "true" when you are the ones sending the person who is prophesied. All of those things he did are pretty much standard for the product of their breeding system. And they planted it on many planets, so while it may come true on Dune, it's not coming true anywhere else.
They cannot use lasers (they call them lasguns) when there are shields near by, as laser hitting energy shields creates atomic blast on both ends. Apparently sometimes they are willing to risk when topters with shields are still flying above crawlers. But usually they want to take out everything with shields first. This is explained in the book a few times, but they didn't think to mention this in the movie for some reason.
Emperor Shaddam IV: "I have a disease, and the cure is more spice!"
You guys are great reactors. Its a joy watching movies with you. Ill subcribe.
I need more cowbell! That was great!😂
It wasn't Paul's mother in his vision, it is his unborn sister Alieia.
Part 3 plays 12 years and 65 billion deaths later...
They did not use the lasers from the get go, when they attacked the harvester, because of the ornithopter, wich would have taken them out as soon as they reveal their position. And because of how the shields work they could not shoot it down with the lasers either. The shields block every fast moving physical thing like bullets and fast strikes, but hitting it with a laser would basicly trigger a nuclear explosion on both ends of the beam.That´s why most of the fighting is done with swords.
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I was so hoping she would share Doctor Kynes fate from part one. Alas, she lives.
masterpiece is thrown around...But THIS! Right here.....
No, it's good but no masterpiece.
Visual, audio masterpiece with great acting but falls short on some categories.
Notwithstanding, I shall watch this every year until I return my body to the well
Id las-hah (approx)
Alia was 4 in the books, She killed the baron Harkonnen, not Paul... that's one difference between the book and these movies ! do not bet on the story after this, the entire story of the Dune Saga is crazier than you can even think of....LOL ! but the TV miniserie of 2000 and 2003 is closer to the books than these movies (and they had done 3 books ! Dune, messiah of Dune and the children of Dune).
For all you commenters saying 'You've got to see this in theatres': You're absolutely right! Seeing this at home vs seeing this in a proper theatre, is like the difference between seeing a partial solar eclipse with most of the sun covered vs seeing a total solar eclipse where all of the sun is covered.
"The biggest worm ever!"
Thats what she said.
I think the reason they don't use the lasers immediately against the harvesters is because of the thopter. If they fired them first, the thopters would find them and kill them before they could do much. They take out the thopter and now the lasers are free to take out the harvesters.
lol ive been making dune mouth noises for decades and didnt know
The most faithful adaptation of the book is the television miniseries so if you want to compare this movie to the books it is a good alternative if you don't want to read them. I think a couple major things about Channi and Paul's relationship that were not included in this movie were that Liet was Chani's father (Liet was a man in the book) and as mentioned the books covered years so it was enough time for Pual and Channi to have a son who was killed when the Harkonnens attacked the Fremen prior to their going south. These two things bonded Chani and Paul through grief as both their fathers and their son were killed by the Harkonnens.
"How do you get off?"
Like normal, you have to ride the worm until it is spent.
Paul used the Voice in a way that politicians use it- extrapolate from FDR, Lincoln, Churchill, etc… inspirational speeches that won wars. I think this is what Frank Herbert thought of as an evolution of this ability.