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Honestly Alia could also see past and future, just like Paul and Jessica, when they are under influence of water of life. It's not just future. Even here in the movie, they can see past. But I agree that many things are different plot than in the book.
@@tylerbramhall6596the commentor knows that. He found it funny that the guy who always says outlandish things said an outlandish thing that happened to be close to correct
Just came from seeing it tonight. My God, such an incredible experience seeing all that on the big screen. Wanna try catching it again, this time in IMAX.
I’m so happy Rob read the books and gave context I’ve seen so many reactors believe blindly that Paul is the hero without question. It’s nice to see the boys question his motives and see how the prophecy is propaganda
You’ve probably seen a lot of reactors just appreciating a good movie instead of making any piece of media a political statement. Ya he’s not a good guy, but look at the series of events in the movie and it makes sense that he’s taking this course of action. Most people follow the movie and can make sense of what Paul is doing while also being able to, you know, watch the movie and listen to Paul say like 3 times “I will kill a lot of people if I go south and gain power, so I don’t want to do that” and then rationalize that while he doesn’t WANT to do it there’s “a narrow way through” so his options are either; Die in the desert or do what he does.
I mean, the movies are pretty dang clear on the prophecy being propaganda, I thought. They refer to it being planted (on multiple planets) by the Bene Gesserit, and how they run things in the background. That said, Paul's motives ARE mostly not objectionable. He's an antihero, so he is a hero from one point of view, but a villain from another.
@@z34567890123456Dune is literally a commentary on religion and politics. People aren’t turning it into a political statement that’s just the point of the book 😭😭😭
@@z34567890123456I don’t think people are making it a political statement. The writer wrote it inherently as a statement and a cautionary tale against messianic figures.
but why did her character switch to seem "evil" or have alterior motives? Why the loud voice and making people do what she wants if it simply "woke her up"
@@jj-vf7wm well I think it's either convince everyone that Paul is actually the chosen one, or bear the punishment from the Bene Gesserit (and others) for not following their orders and choosing to have a son for her husband. PS I aint a book reader or anything this is just my basic overall thoughts. In the end I believe she's always just tried to protect him.
@@jj-vf7wm why does she come off evil? Because the Bene Gesserit are not good. Jessica became a full reverend mother and gained collective consciousness of all reverend mothers before her. This changes her perspective on everything.
This reaction is basically 2 of them enjoying a great movie while 1 of them is thinking about them exploring each other’s bodies for 2 and a half hours
@@dudermcdudeface3674 - Well actually, he is! But in the book it's done very subtly, so you don't notice it till the end of the book. By then even Paul even notices it, and it saddened him to see a good friend, mentor, and strong leader turned into a "creature of the Lisan Al-Gaib". To Paul it was a "lessening of the man". I think that was portrayed brilliantly in the movie.
@@70briareos The movie makes him a tightly-wound fanatic from early on, so there's no chance to invest in their friendship or feel like anything has been lost.
@@dudermcdudeface3674 - Chalk it up to the limited run time of a feature film. That's what Villeneuve had to work with. And that is why I still think they should give Dune the "Game Of Thrones" treatment; A high budget series on cable or streaming. Heck, the first book alone should have enough material in there for two 10-episode seasons.
The whole point is that Paul isn't supposed to be good OR bad. He's an anti-hero, but most importantly, he's human. the entire story of Dune is to be wary of people in power pretty much because it can cause fanatics like this who just blindly follow these leaders. Paul is doing what must be done, he essentially has no choice but to become their messiah because that's his destiny in a way. I don't think Paul is a bad person on the inside, in the books he was aware of what he did and questioned himself for it, but when you're in a big position of power like that, you're gonna make decisions that everyone isn't going to agree with or that will hurt people in the process. The path paul chooses is the best path out of all the paths he seen, but it also is a path that allows him to avenge his father which is a bit selfish. I think his intentions are in the right place as he's trying to do damage control as much as possible, but some of the decisions he makes is not in the best interest of the Fremen.
I loved that Zuff had a different view on what happened to Paul. A lot of the viewers were totally into him being the Lisan Al Gaib and it’s always refreshing to see someone get behind Chani and see him more as a villainous character
Channi acting is terrible sorry. Her character was annoying as well, everything has been such coincidence and she still refuse to believe Paul and is so ready to kill him. Zero chemistry there. 1st when Jessica took the poison, Channi and friends are super sure the mom is stupid and won't survive, guess what?? They don't think Paul will survive or ride the worm, guess what? even her other friends starts to believe. She says Paul come from Duke and Houses while in Arrakis everyone is equal, but now Paul wants to be equal, she be like No you re a foreigner. lol No man should ever survive the poison, ohh guess what, she becomes even angrier lol until the end of movie. She literally looks like she hate Paul instead of being sadly dissapointed how things turned out. It's hard to sympathize with her.
@@IamNinjaOfNinja nah she was right to not want a foreigner to become their messiah, i was on her side the whole movie. the messiah should be a fremen and the Bene Geserit are the ones manipulating all of this. The whole point of Dune is literally a criticism of messiahs and religious figures, colonialism and such. Paul has the same training of his mother who could also resist posion. You’re , like, missing the entire point of the Book lmao
that's completely the opposite point Frank Hubert was making. The point was to be weary of pragmatic leaders. They are easily corrupted. If not the lease than easily the followers became fanatics and corrupt the message.
@@SoSodawgindahouse Agree. Honestly i’m basic as hell like i’m with “Paul as the messiah” as a viewer but I wouldn’t discount Chani’s character because I totally understand where she’s coming from. And I particularly love that change that Denis made from the book. He made her a powerful woman with her own mind and is willing to express that mind which is so important. Also it’s weird he said “chani acting is terrible” because his criticisms are clearly not with how zendaya acted but what chani did as a character lol. if anything zendaya did really great because they are pissed with her
@@LaLaSpin1ove in the books it is, women wear it after they've given birth to a son. I think they changed it to be more symbolic than direct meaning for the movie.
Bryce, to answer your question, The Kwisatz Haderach is a male Bene Gesserit/chosen one with a crazy ton of mental abilities. There never has been one until Paul came along. Because he was taught by his mother Jessica, this makes him just as, if not more powerful than them. But because he’s a Bene Gesserit, he cannot be controlled or manipulated by them at all. That is what they’ve been trying to do for thousands of years. They want to create a chosen one whom they can control and manipulate from behind the scenes. Think of how Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader came to be. Like how he was born without a father but was created by the force itself. Kind of a similar thing of sorts.
Watching this movie in the theatre was intense. I watched it by myself and was so sad to have it end, it went by so fast. Loved the reaction and I love how Rob knew so much about the book!
13:30 this moment and paul’s first ride in the iMAX theater were the two loudest/bassiest moments i’ve ever experienced in a theater. i understand wanting to react to movies like this for the channel, and while the vids are really entertaining yall deserved this experience in an imax or really any theater. best theater experience of my entire life by far, saw it 4 times
The scene at 13:30 is one of my favorite moments. I absolutely love that loud bass, you can immediately tell that the water of life touching the fetus is catastrophic. Genius choice of sound
The Bene Gesserit are kind of like the Jedi of the "Dune" universe, given they're a monastic order with superhuman powers who ostensibly serve the ruling government, but secretly have their own agenda. (They do have a central planet/base of operation in Wallach IX, where they basically have their version of Hogwarts to train their members, but they're all over the place and travel at will.) The difference is while the Jedi are altruistic protectors of the peace, the Bene Gesserit are scheming manipulators who are morally gray at best. More like Sith in that regards given their desire for power (and they have a fondness for black robes).
So cool to see one of these reactions featuring someone who read the book, honestly really helps everyone keep up with the movie while commentating over it
hans zimmer never disappoints, the score for this second part was crazy, a time of quiet between storms is my personal favorite but harkonnen arena was 10/10 with the visuals on IMAX.
A Time of Quiet Between the Storms is my favourite too! It’s so beautiful and Hans Zimmer has a gift of being able to not just match the score to the mood/vibes but also the story and environment.
The way you put it makes it sound like it grossed a lot more money in the theatrical window, than it did. You gotta account for the advertising/marketing budget AND the cuts that investors get. If you account for all of that, it has turned a profit so far, but it's nowhere near 710-150 mil.
Budget (shoot + marketing) was $190 mio, breakeven point was $500 mio. But $710 mio is definitely a huge commercial success, given Dune isn't exactly the easiest, most palatable lore.
A couple of things about the shields and laser guns 1. You can’t wear shields in the desert because the worms are attracted to them and send the worms mental. So anything that touches the sand i.e. Fremen, Harkonen soldiers, spice harvestors etc can’t use shields. The helicopters can because they obviously aren’t touching the sand. 2. You can’t shoot lasers at a shield because it causes a giant explosion at both ends. Which is why the Fremen who ambushed the harvestor had to wait for the helicopter to be destroyed before they could shoot the harvester, otherwise the helicopter would shoot them and they can’t shoot back at it. It’s also why the Harkonen’s didn’t use shields in the beginning scene when ambushed by the Fremen on the rock as they didn’t know if they were under attack from lasers / they were using lasers themselves so safer not to use shields
The reason the worms don't dive when they are being ridden is because the riders pull up those flaps and the worms don't want the sand under their skin. Uncomfortable or something.
Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam (the one who tested Paul with the Gom Jabbar) is Jessica's biological mother/teacher. Jessica's parentage was kept secret from her as well from the Baron. Only the higher up Reverend Mothers knew of this, no one else.
Cool that you picked up on the snake aspect for Feyd Rautha. Austin Butler said that he used a snake as inspiration for the character. He also studied the eyes of sharks.
I’m actually surprised that rob you didn’t see it in theatres I saw it in imax and I was engaged throughout I haven’t read the book like you rob but I’m so excited for the next part
I’ve been a long time fan of the books but over all they are pretty slow. Frank Herbert was a master at world building, so if you like super intricate detail and a lot of political intrigue and maneuvering then I’d give it a read. A lot of the books dialog is internal so you hear Paul’s thoughts. Even if you never read the books both these movies did an excellent job summing up the storyline.
It’s a good thing dude in the middle read the book and could give some context. Dude on the left was struggling so badly I’m concerned he’s not all there 🤣🤣
Jessica is an advanced Bene Gesserit trained to control her body down to the molecular level. She has the training and maturity to process and control all the personalities and genetic memories that she receives when drinking the water of life. Alia, being in a Jessica’s womb received the same knowledge and power…But without the training and maturity. Alia is what is known as “pre born”. She is born with all a reverend mothers powers from birth and she has the mental capacity of an adult BEFORE she’s even been born. Pre-borns are strictly forbidden because they are at risk of “abomination”. That is why the other reverend mother said “what have we done” because she knows what they have just created. Abomination is when the person is consumed by all of the previous memories and personalities that they have inside them and they go wildly out of control…..So yea, Alia will be an issue.
Seeing this movie in the theaters is a whole new experience, you guys should definitely go to the movies to see it again because the cinematography is next level…🙌🏾
He is only Hakkonen by blood he can claim both but he is definitely House of Atreides. Also he is not good or bad. He didn't want to become Lisan Al Gaib because he saw the amount of people that died because of the Holy War but he also sees that's the only way his family will survive.
i love that rebecca ferguson is clocking in to be the most unhinged character in this, very much giving brood mother, it's giving hive mind, psychic warfare, talking to your unborn fetus core
As someone who read the book when I was super young (8 I think), I only remembered two main things: there were large worms and there was a character who shared a name with me. I was really looking forward to seeing her in this movie and was slightly disappointed they pushed that reveal to part 3
1:10:30 That's because Feyd also has visions as said before. They were linking the blood-lines to marry Feyd and Paul - and their child being the One. And it is a small detail that people with vision can't see each other.
I think they hired the guy who created the spoken language in the Avatar films to orchestrate the language of the Fremen. Even "manufactured" languages for the purposes of films have rules. If you remember, at the end of part 1, during Paul's fight with Jamis, Stilgar says "Fashi, fashi." He says the same phrase again in this one, when he's trying to quiet the northerners before he starts to pray while Jessica fights the worm's poison. Basically, "shut up" or "be quiet."
@@ruthsimonebaptista9553 I have no idea if you’re talking about Dune or Game of Thrones but I quit watching GoT during the fourth season because I could not get into it. I never saw anything past that
You guys should watch the David Lynch version for comparison. It has a terrible non-canon ending, but it keeps parts of the book that this version does, like Alia as a child, and a tiny bit more explanation about what the Kwizatz Haderach is. Reverend Mothers basically are those who have undergone a process that opens up their ancestral memories - they can remember everything their ancestors did or said, but only the female ancestors. There is a place terrifying to them, a dark place where they cannot see into, which is what the Kwizatz Haderach will be able to do. He can see into a place where reverend mothers cannot, accessing both male and female memories of his ancestors. Quinn's Ideas is a great YT channel with excellent breakdowns of the books. Paul is the Kwizatz Haderach (there were other 'possible' contenders from the breeding program), but he came one generation too early and out of the intended control of the Bene Gesserit thanks to Jessica disobeying her orders to bear a daughter and their exile on Arrakis. For the seeing the future thing, Paul was already slightly prescient (could see future possibilities) due to the affect of the spice on him, but his motivation for drinking the water of life was that his vision became too cluttered with possibilities. He couldn't determine which one would lead to victory. The water of life is a poisonous concentration of spice that allowed him to see the way more clearly. In doing so he also underwent the process of a Reverend Mother and so became the Kwizatz Haderach. The Lisan al'Gaib is a separate thing - a prophecy planted by Bene Gesserit missionaries centuries before. They planted seeds like this all over the galaxy in order to provide support to any future Bene Gesserit who might come in need of help. Jessica and Paul used that prophecy as their "in" with the Fremen.
57:47, Paul is looking into his near future and repeating in real-time what he saw. That’s how he knows other people’s dreams and fears. A neat trick to impress the common folk.
The Fedaykin in the book are Paul’s personally trained fighters and guards called his “death commandos” who are all like completely in for him being the lisan al gaib. It was like 4 years in the desert when it shows him as the leader and he’s spent years training all the fremen in the battle tactics of Duncan Idaho, Gurney Halek, and Hawett and makes them way more dangerous.
Rob, On behalf of Dune fans everywhere. Thank you! for reading the book it brings more of a depth to your reaction. Even though Vilneuve made these soooo well that you can watch them cold with no prior knowledge it's nice to see a reaction that appreciates and catches the detail. Zuff you are right to be conflicted about Paul that is the whole point. I don't know how many years it's been since reading yhe nooks for the first time and I'm still conflicted about rooting for him, but I do. Thats the genius of the books there are no heroes really, just choices and decisions that you can either understand and get on board with or not. There would be a strong argument to be had that Paul and Alia are victims rather than villains. I'm one of the few that is totally on board with the directorial changes that Vilneuve has made. Making Chani a physical aspect of Paul's internal conflict is brilliant as opposed to some internal monologue. The conscious and powerful fetus as the representation of Alia makes Directorial sense to me. I mean, where were they going to find a credible 5yr old that could play THAT part? Great job guys, thoroughly enjoyed your reactions. Looking forward to messiah.
if it's still playing in theaters around you, please please please go see it! it's just as good, maybe even better, the second time around! ◡̈ and thanks for filling the guys in on the lore, Rob!
Chakobsa is an actual northern caucasian language in real life as a matter of fact. It was called "The Huntsmans language" and was considered a secret language by wealthy nobles and princes in a couple of slavic and eurasian countries who would use it during both hunting trips out into the wilderness for sport, and more importantly, during military raids to communicate with troops. Think of it like a more complicated and verbose version of Pig-Latin.
It's good to see someone who knows actual stuff about the world comment here. Of course, Herbert only took the name for the language (secret languages tend not to be well-attested anyway, obviously), and the "Chakobsa" words he used were taken from other, unrelated real world languages (usually Arabic). And the Chakobsa in the movies is a conlang.
What people most people don’t understand is when the emperor said your father was a weak man because he led with his heart, that is just the opposite of what Paul is just doing, he is not leading with his heart he is leading with politics. And that is what comes between him and Chani… he has to have power to make change, acquiring that power means he has control over Fremen, which is just Chani did not want. A no-win situation.
In rhe scene where Paul asks his mom if his dad knew he knows damn well because he took the water. In that moment you can hear fear in her voice because even she is a bit scared of him.
39:00 This final Atreides soldier is played by Roger Yuan who is the fight coordinator for the movie. Check where that band is by the end of the movie.
I love the part where Paul makes the emperor kiss that uncomfortable hunk of metal that was his birthright. You think he knows where Paul had had to hide it?
This quote by Herbert really helped me understand Dune -- "I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." One of the most dangerous presidents we had in this century was John Kennedy because people said "Yes Sir Mr. Charismatic Leader what do we do next?" and we wound up in Vietnam. And I think probably the most valuable president of this century was Richard Nixon. Because he taught us to distrust government and he did it by example." Thank you for the reaction, it was a joy !
I knew that Herbert never intended for Paul to be seen as a saviour/good guy but I’ve never heard this quote from him before and it’s blowing my mind a little because I’ve never thought of JFK or Nixon in that context before!
Paul's secret name, "Usul", is a word for the foundation/base of a pillar, that holds everything else up, and his war name, "Muad'Dib", the kangaroo mouse of Arrakis, is also a constellation that points to their North Star, AkA "The One Who Points the Way", another word for leader, SO, Paul Muad'Dib Usul, AkA "Paul, the one who leads the way, and is the foundation that holds us all up"... also, the Harkonnens planet is orbiting a black sun, so with that and their ozone layer, it makes an old school filter on the whole planet, so in the suns rays everything is shades of blacks, greys, and whites, but away from the suns rays they have colours...
Such great films, I’m so happy they got Villneuve to direct it, his work was underrated for a minute. My favorite part of the rxn was the book talk cuz they can only fit so much in the movies and the story is insanely in-depth. Thanks for the info Rob!
When the hooks lift the worm’s scales the sand is an irritant to the skin underneath so the worm stays on the surface to minimize the irritation. To get off, you just release the hooks and the worm will dive under the sand and the rider stays on the surface.
If a Lazgun beam strikes a Holtzman shield, it causes a thermonuclear explosion. They had to take out the air support, which was shielded, at which point the crawler was defenseless.
Watching this movie in theaters was an amazing experience LMAO. I watched it in theaters 3 times, im glad yall enjoyed it. I don’t think they used this in the movie, but usually when fremen women wear blue, it means they’re pregnant and/or romantically attached. That’s why she wore blue, but in the movie they probably just used it as a way to identify her.
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Honestly Alia could also see past and future, just like Paul and Jessica, when they are under influence of water of life. It's not just future. Even here in the movie, they can see past. But I agree that many things are different plot than in the book.
It still should be in some cinemas and Imaxes - so remember to watch it there still. The sound is really adding extra level to the experience there.
@@SenatePalpatinetrollerplot is the same, execution is different.
Hey, you guys should react to the iron claw.
Bro did not just say "What if he turns into a worm?" I'm fucking dying.
😬 😅
Thats when you look at him and say "lisan al giab!!"
Well……. If you read the books, it ain’t that crazy at all
@@tylerbramhall6596the commentor knows that. He found it funny that the guy who always says outlandish things said an outlandish thing that happened to be close to correct
jesus, i know. my jaw dropped
Rob's patience with Zuff is impressive... like a dad watching this movie with an excitable 10yr old full of questions.
Is that dude a legitimate special needs family member or something? It's seriously ruining the reaction.
Buddy’s on the 100mg edis
@@joeyralston3773 Everything on Arrakis is filled with the spice.
Her unborn child is literally already a reverend mother from the water of life
Poor Alia - truly a curse. :(
No shes an abomination because she has no defences against the consciousnesses of her ancestors taking over
saw this 3 times in theaters and it’s truly one of the best cinema experiences i’ve ever had , incredible film
I saw it maybe 10 times 😂
hope you got to see it in IMAX especially if it was the full 1:43 true IMAX format.
same bro all Imax
Just came from seeing it tonight.
My God, such an incredible experience seeing all that on the big screen. Wanna try catching it again, this time in IMAX.
@@peccamecha4D IMAX was such a cool experience with this movie
I’m so happy Rob read the books and gave context I’ve seen so many reactors believe blindly that Paul is the hero without question. It’s nice to see the boys question his motives and see how the prophecy is propaganda
You’ve probably seen a lot of reactors just appreciating a good movie instead of making any piece of media a political statement. Ya he’s not a good guy, but look at the series of events in the movie and it makes sense that he’s taking this course of action. Most people follow the movie and can make sense of what Paul is doing while also being able to, you know, watch the movie and listen to Paul say like 3 times “I will kill a lot of people if I go south and gain power, so I don’t want to do that” and then rationalize that while he doesn’t WANT to do it there’s “a narrow way through” so his options are either; Die in the desert or do what he does.
@@z34567890123456book readers know a bit more, past this book I can’t say Paul is a good guy
I mean, the movies are pretty dang clear on the prophecy being propaganda, I thought. They refer to it being planted (on multiple planets) by the Bene Gesserit, and how they run things in the background. That said, Paul's motives ARE mostly not objectionable. He's an antihero, so he is a hero from one point of view, but a villain from another.
@@z34567890123456Dune is literally a commentary on religion and politics. People aren’t turning it into a political statement that’s just the point of the book 😭😭😭
@@z34567890123456I don’t think people are making it a political statement. The writer wrote it inherently as a statement and a cautionary tale against messianic figures.
I really appreciate all the facts they have tried to remember and the fact that Rob has been reading the books. Such genuine interest!
its so funny how rob it's like "hm actually, in the books 🤓☝️" all the time my bro knows some shit
watching the council scene in imax on opening day was genuinely the most incredible cinematic experience i’ve ever had
that is one of the best scenes i have ever seen.......especially when he exposes the other guys sins of giving water to the dead.
Mom's not crazy, she's literally in communication with her fetus. The Water of Life woke up her consciousness. It's pretty nuts.
but why did her character switch to seem "evil" or have alterior motives? Why the loud voice and making people do what she wants if it simply "woke her up"
@@jj-vf7wm well I think it's either convince everyone that Paul is actually the chosen one, or bear the punishment from the Bene Gesserit (and others) for not following their orders and choosing to have a son for her husband. PS I aint a book reader or anything this is just my basic overall thoughts. In the end I believe she's always just tried to protect him.
@@jj-vf7wm why does she come off evil? Because the Bene Gesserit are not good. Jessica became a full reverend mother and gained collective consciousness of all reverend mothers before her. This changes her perspective on everything.
@@jj-vf7wm I mean, the real answer to your question is that Villeneuve is a hack when it comes to getting across subtle story points.
@@tbirdparis go somewhere else and be an edgelord
This reaction is basically 2 of them enjoying a great movie while 1 of them is thinking about them exploring each other’s bodies for 2 and a half hours
It's rough
Dude’s killing me with these fkn questions 🤣
I love how Stilgar goes full LIFE OF BRIAN on Paul with the whole humility thing.
"I'm not the Lisan Al Gahib!"
"I say you are and I should know, I've followed a few!"
I didn't love them doing Stilgar dirty. He's not like that in the books.
@@dudermcdudeface3674 - Well actually, he is! But in the book it's done very subtly, so you don't notice it till the end of the book. By then even Paul even notices it, and it saddened him to see a good friend, mentor, and strong leader turned into a "creature of the Lisan Al-Gaib". To Paul it was a "lessening of the man".
I think that was portrayed brilliantly in the movie.
@@70briareos The movie makes him a tightly-wound fanatic from early on, so there's no chance to invest in their friendship or feel like anything has been lost.
@@dudermcdudeface3674 - Chalk it up to the limited run time of a feature film. That's what Villeneuve had to work with.
And that is why I still think they should give Dune the "Game Of Thrones" treatment; A high budget series on cable or streaming. Heck, the first book alone should have enough material in there for two 10-episode seasons.
The whole point is that Paul isn't supposed to be good OR bad. He's an anti-hero, but most importantly, he's human. the entire story of Dune is to be wary of people in power pretty much because it can cause fanatics like this who just blindly follow these leaders. Paul is doing what must be done, he essentially has no choice but to become their messiah because that's his destiny in a way. I don't think Paul is a bad person on the inside, in the books he was aware of what he did and questioned himself for it, but when you're in a big position of power like that, you're gonna make decisions that everyone isn't going to agree with or that will hurt people in the process. The path paul chooses is the best path out of all the paths he seen, but it also is a path that allows him to avenge his father which is a bit selfish. I think his intentions are in the right place as he's trying to do damage control as much as possible, but some of the decisions he makes is not in the best interest of the Fremen.
isn’t he more an anti villain?
I loved that Zuff had a different view on what happened to Paul. A lot of the viewers were totally into him being the Lisan Al Gaib and it’s always refreshing to see someone get behind Chani and see him more as a villainous character
Completely wrong. That’s not the interpretation either. Actually you would root for a messiah figure in real life.
Channi acting is terrible sorry.
Her character was annoying as well, everything has been such coincidence and she still refuse to believe Paul and is so ready to kill him. Zero chemistry there.
1st when Jessica took the poison, Channi and friends are super sure the mom is stupid and won't survive, guess what??
They don't think Paul will survive or ride the worm, guess what? even her other friends starts to believe.
She says Paul come from Duke and Houses while in Arrakis everyone is equal, but now Paul wants to be equal, she be like No you re a foreigner. lol
No man should ever survive the poison, ohh guess what, she becomes even angrier lol until the end of movie. She literally looks like she hate Paul instead of being sadly dissapointed how things turned out. It's hard to sympathize with her.
@@IamNinjaOfNinja nah she was right to not want a foreigner to become their messiah, i was on her side the whole movie. the messiah should be a fremen and the Bene Geserit are the ones manipulating all of this. The whole point of Dune is literally a criticism of messiahs and religious figures, colonialism and such. Paul has the same training of his mother who could also resist posion. You’re , like, missing the entire point of the Book lmao
that's completely the opposite point Frank Hubert was making. The point was to be weary of pragmatic leaders. They are easily corrupted. If not the lease than easily the followers became fanatics and corrupt the message.
@@SoSodawgindahouse Agree. Honestly i’m basic as hell like i’m with “Paul as the messiah” as a viewer but I wouldn’t discount Chani’s character because I totally understand where she’s coming from. And I particularly love that change that Denis made from the book. He made her a powerful woman with her own mind and is willing to express that mind which is so important.
Also it’s weird he said “chani acting is terrible” because his criticisms are clearly not with how zendaya acted but what chani did as a character lol. if anything zendaya did really great because they are pissed with her
Dude on the left has no idea what's happening.
At all😂
(25:52) "Dude, what if he turns into, like, a worm?" 😶 Me, biting my tongue.
I was going to comment the same thing 🤣
I can't wait for questions about what the hell a Fish Speaker is Herbert really did envision the weirdest possible future for humankind and I love it
The laugh Channi does after taking the helicopter out gets me all the time😂
I also love that giggle she does - such perfect joy, haha!
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24:53 Denis Villeneuve confirmed that blue is worn "when Fremen women fall in love."
I thought it was to indicate they were with child...
@@LaLaSpin1ove in the books it is, women wear it after they've given birth to a son. I think they changed it to be more symbolic than direct meaning for the movie.
Bryce, to answer your question,
The Kwisatz Haderach is a male Bene Gesserit/chosen one with a crazy ton of mental abilities.
There never has been one until Paul came along. Because he was taught by his mother Jessica, this makes him just as, if not more powerful than them.
But because he’s a Bene Gesserit, he cannot be controlled or manipulated by them at all. That is what they’ve been trying to do for thousands of years. They want to create a chosen one whom they can control and manipulate from behind the scenes. Think of how Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader came to be. Like how he was born without a father but was created by the force itself.
Kind of a similar thing of sorts.
So if StarWars was set in the Dune universe, then the Jedi would actually try to overthrow the republic. .. Palpatine was right all along.
Watching this movie in the theatre was intense. I watched it by myself and was so sad to have it end, it went by so fast. Loved the reaction and I love how Rob knew so much about the book!
Same. The first movie was good but it definitely felt long, when I saw it in the theatre. This one just flew by.
when i saw it in the theater everyone left in complete silence, like a graveside funeral. This is the scifi masterpiece of a generation.
the two guys on the right have made me realize I'm not a very patient person
Talking about random bullshit through the entire vision sequence. I don't think I can finish this reaction.
It's wild to see someone just not intellectually equipped to watch a mainstream movie
@@benhmn a little empathy goes a long way
13:30 this moment and paul’s first ride in the iMAX theater were the two loudest/bassiest moments i’ve ever experienced in a theater. i understand wanting to react to movies like this for the channel, and while the vids are really entertaining yall deserved this experience in an imax or really any theater. best theater experience of my entire life by far, saw it 4 times
There’s no way it won’t be back in imax one day. If not that the theaters just hate money, and no company hates money.
yesss!!!!
The scene at 13:30 is one of my favorite moments. I absolutely love that loud bass, you can immediately tell that the water of life touching the fetus is catastrophic. Genius choice of sound
"imagine timothy was lookin' at you like that"
LOL
Yeah bro was feeling Timothy HARD
The guy on the left is clearly the brains of this operation.
i don’t think zuff actually watched the first movie 😂
The Bene Gesserit are kind of like the Jedi of the "Dune" universe, given they're a monastic order with superhuman powers who ostensibly serve the ruling government, but secretly have their own agenda. (They do have a central planet/base of operation in Wallach IX, where they basically have their version of Hogwarts to train their members, but they're all over the place and travel at will.) The difference is while the Jedi are altruistic protectors of the peace, the Bene Gesserit are scheming manipulators who are morally gray at best. More like Sith in that regards given their desire for power (and they have a fondness for black robes).
So cool to see one of these reactions featuring someone who read the book, honestly really helps everyone keep up with the movie while commentating over it
Paul redirected Feyd's blade to his right shoulder while he took the knife out of his stomach and stabbed Feyd with it.
he saw it in a vision after drinking the worm juice. Otherwise Paul woulda been dead
hans zimmer never disappoints, the score for this second part was crazy, a time of quiet between storms is my personal favorite but harkonnen arena was 10/10 with the visuals on IMAX.
A Time of Quiet Between the Storms is my favourite too! It’s so beautiful and Hans Zimmer has a gift of being able to not just match the score to the mood/vibes but also the story and environment.
$710 million dollars against a $150 million dollar budget.
190 million budget
dont forget marketing
Actually the profits are barely double the budget.
The way you put it makes it sound like it grossed a lot more money in the theatrical window, than it did. You gotta account for the advertising/marketing budget AND the cuts that investors get. If you account for all of that, it has turned a profit so far, but it's nowhere near 710-150 mil.
Budget (shoot + marketing) was $190 mio, breakeven point was $500 mio. But $710 mio is definitely a huge commercial success, given Dune isn't exactly the easiest, most palatable lore.
This was literally one of the best movies I have ever seen. Definitely my favorite movie that I have seen in theaters.
Stellan Skarsgård is Alexander Skarsgård’s dad, not brother, lol.
I thought it was more common that people knew him as “Papa Skarsgård” lol
Paul’s speech to the Fremen is such a great scene!!
Zuff was so lost until he realized that anakin is modeled after Paul. The lisan al gaib a false prophecy.
A couple of things about the shields and laser guns
1. You can’t wear shields in the desert because the worms are attracted to them and send the worms mental. So anything that touches the sand i.e. Fremen, Harkonen soldiers, spice harvestors etc can’t use shields. The helicopters can because they obviously aren’t touching the sand.
2. You can’t shoot lasers at a shield because it causes a giant explosion at both ends. Which is why the Fremen who ambushed the harvestor had to wait for the helicopter to be destroyed before they could shoot the harvester, otherwise the helicopter would shoot them and they can’t shoot back at it. It’s also why the Harkonen’s didn’t use shields in the beginning scene when ambushed by the Fremen on the rock as they didn’t know if they were under attack from lasers / they were using lasers themselves so safer not to use shields
Left guy is a vibe. Not sure what kind, but its a vibe...
The reason the worms don't dive when they are being ridden is because the riders pull up those flaps and the worms don't want the sand under their skin. Uncomfortable or something.
It irritates them, yes
“and to think they filmed this in ohio” I’m fucking crying
41:08 Feyd being an S&M sub is so funny. Lady Margot said he really liked the box
You could say that she let her box do all the work 🤣
Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam (the one who tested Paul with the Gom Jabbar) is Jessica's biological mother/teacher. Jessica's parentage was kept secret from her as well from the Baron. Only the higher up Reverend Mothers knew of this, no one else.
28:11 love Rob coming in with those ATLA references hahahaha "You're my forever girl" XD
Cool that you picked up on the snake aspect for Feyd Rautha. Austin Butler said that he used a snake as inspiration for the character. He also studied the eyes of sharks.
I’m actually surprised that rob you didn’t see it in theatres I saw it in imax and I was engaged throughout I haven’t read the book like you rob but I’m so excited for the next part
I’ve been a long time fan of the books but over all they are pretty slow. Frank Herbert was a master at world building, so if you like super intricate detail and a lot of political intrigue and maneuvering then I’d give it a read. A lot of the books dialog is internal so you hear Paul’s thoughts. Even if you never read the books both these movies did an excellent job summing up the storyline.
Fckng hate that people think that there's only villians and heros, like come on mate characters can be way more complex than just that
Herbert made it clear that he was a villain in later books because many people thought he was complex and it was complicated. No it’s not.
timothee plays Paul as a blank piece of cardboard so I'm not surprised the nuance is lost
It’s a good thing dude in the middle read the book and could give some context. Dude on the left was struggling so badly I’m concerned he’s not all there 🤣🤣
My guy just had too much spice before lol.
Zuff is such a delight to watch. Dude seems like he's high on spice and drunk a gallon of water of life 🤣
Is Zuff watching Dune part 2 or is he watching something else. I swear he watching another movie.
Jessica is an advanced Bene Gesserit trained to control her body down to the molecular level. She has the training and maturity to process and control all the personalities and genetic memories that she receives when drinking the water of life. Alia, being in a Jessica’s womb received the same knowledge and power…But without the training and maturity. Alia is what is known as “pre born”. She is born with all a reverend mothers powers from birth and she has the mental capacity of an adult BEFORE she’s even been born. Pre-borns are strictly forbidden because they are at risk of “abomination”. That is why the other reverend mother said “what have we done” because she knows what they have just created. Abomination is when the person is consumed by all of the previous memories and personalities that they have inside them and they go wildly out of control…..So yea, Alia will be an issue.
watching this on IMAX theater was literally life changing, the entire audience was mesmerized by this movie
Seeing this movie in the theaters is a whole new experience, you guys should definitely go to the movies to see it again because the cinematography is next level…🙌🏾
Rob when is the Dune book review coming? I feel like you were dying to talk about it in depth this whole movie! The people want your thoughts
Seconded.
Bryce: "he didn't lean into it he fking dove into it"
Me " facts bro . Facts" 😂😂
Thank you thank you thank you for watching this masterpiece I’ve never been happier!!
Keep reading the books, my man. The Dune universe gets unimaginably crazy, even by its own standards. The first novel is as normal as it gets. lol
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He is only Hakkonen by blood he can claim both but he is definitely House of Atreides. Also he is not good or bad. He didn't want to become Lisan Al Gaib because he saw the amount of people that died because of the Holy War but he also sees that's the only way his family will survive.
Bro on the left is cooked
He gets a bit ridiculous at times . Idk. He's ok. I usually skip fwd when he's talking 😂🤦♀️. I know people gonna hate this comment
Dudes smart wym
I got that impression. He looks and sounds like he just smoked all the grass.
@@ladyhotep5189 that’s weird ass behavior but whatever.
He is smart. Unlike many reactors, he knew that Paul wasn’t gonna be a good or bad guy hence why he referenced Anakin.
“I believe in the worms.”
This dude gets it.
i love that rebecca ferguson is clocking in to be the most unhinged character in this, very much giving brood mother, it's giving hive mind, psychic warfare, talking to your unborn fetus core
25:02 the blue headband means she is a Fremen woman in love but not married. As long as she wears the band in her hair she loves Paul
Or tied round her arm means in love but in mourning.
did this man just not see the first movie? How are there so many things he doesn't know
We are Rob. Rob is one of us . His reactions to the boys is our reaction .
It was GLORIOUS on IMAX 😅🔥
As someone who read the book when I was super young (8 I think), I only remembered two main things: there were large worms and there was a character who shared a name with me. I was really looking forward to seeing her in this movie and was slightly disappointed they pushed that reveal to part 3
1:10:30 That's because Feyd also has visions as said before. They were linking the blood-lines to marry Feyd and Paul - and their child being the One. And it is a small detail that people with vision can't see each other.
y'all are so fun to watch, thanks for the entertainment!!!!
Zuff? The leftmost guy, was a strange mix of completely befuddled and insightful. Haha.
He clearly smoked and/or ate lots of spice before watching, so you'll have that. You think he had to use eyedrops to hide the blue eye?
I think they hired the guy who created the spoken language in the Avatar films to orchestrate the language of the Fremen. Even "manufactured" languages for the purposes of films have rules. If you remember, at the end of part 1, during Paul's fight with Jamis, Stilgar says "Fashi, fashi." He says the same phrase again in this one, when he's trying to quiet the northerners before he starts to pray while Jessica fights the worm's poison. Basically, "shut up" or "be quiet."
He’s the same guy who created de grounder language une the 100!
@@ruthsimonebaptista9553And did Dothraki and High Valyrian for game of thrones!
@@ruthsimonebaptista9553 I have no idea if you’re talking about Dune or Game of Thrones but I quit watching GoT during the fourth season because I could not get into it. I never saw anything past that
You guys should watch the David Lynch version for comparison. It has a terrible non-canon ending, but it keeps parts of the book that this version does, like Alia as a child, and a tiny bit more explanation about what the Kwizatz Haderach is. Reverend Mothers basically are those who have undergone a process that opens up their ancestral memories - they can remember everything their ancestors did or said, but only the female ancestors. There is a place terrifying to them, a dark place where they cannot see into, which is what the Kwizatz Haderach will be able to do. He can see into a place where reverend mothers cannot, accessing both male and female memories of his ancestors. Quinn's Ideas is a great YT channel with excellent breakdowns of the books. Paul is the Kwizatz Haderach (there were other 'possible' contenders from the breeding program), but he came one generation too early and out of the intended control of the Bene Gesserit thanks to Jessica disobeying her orders to bear a daughter and their exile on Arrakis.
For the seeing the future thing, Paul was already slightly prescient (could see future possibilities) due to the affect of the spice on him, but his motivation for drinking the water of life was that his vision became too cluttered with possibilities. He couldn't determine which one would lead to victory. The water of life is a poisonous concentration of spice that allowed him to see the way more clearly. In doing so he also underwent the process of a Reverend Mother and so became the Kwizatz Haderach.
The Lisan al'Gaib is a separate thing - a prophecy planted by Bene Gesserit missionaries centuries before. They planted seeds like this all over the galaxy in order to provide support to any future Bene Gesserit who might come in need of help. Jessica and Paul used that prophecy as their "in" with the Fremen.
Was my guy in the Bucks shirt high or something, he was clueless
Seems to be a disability I thought the same thing maybe he is cause that boy is not smart to put it nicely
ive never seen a higher person
57:47, Paul is looking into his near future and repeating in real-time what he saw. That’s how he knows other people’s dreams and fears.
A neat trick to impress the common folk.
"He's so smooth"
"And he's pretty."
Real asf, i love timothee chalamet
The Fedaykin in the book are Paul’s personally trained fighters and guards called his “death commandos” who are all like completely in for him being the lisan al gaib. It was like 4 years in the desert when it shows him as the leader and he’s spent years training all the fremen in the battle tactics of Duncan Idaho, Gurney Halek, and Hawett and makes them way more dangerous.
Beren the Big boating guy is Actors Stellan Skarsgård, he is from Sweden. 🥰🇸🇪
"Is that baby Austin Butler?" Yes. He is the sister.
Rob, what the fuck is our club doing bro? Losing to Crystal palace is crazy 😮💨
we're in shambles... - rob
Rob, On behalf of Dune fans everywhere. Thank you! for reading the book it brings more of a depth to your reaction. Even though Vilneuve made these soooo well that you can watch them cold with no prior knowledge it's nice to see a reaction that appreciates and catches the detail.
Zuff you are right to be conflicted about Paul that is the whole point. I don't know how many years it's been since reading yhe nooks for the first time and I'm still conflicted about rooting for him, but I do. Thats the genius of the books there are no heroes really, just choices and decisions that you can either understand and get on board with or not. There would be a strong argument to be had that Paul and Alia are victims rather than villains.
I'm one of the few that is totally on board with the directorial changes that Vilneuve has made. Making Chani a physical aspect of Paul's internal conflict is brilliant as opposed to some internal monologue. The conscious and powerful fetus as the representation of Alia makes Directorial sense to me. I mean, where were they going to find a credible 5yr old that could play THAT part?
Great job guys, thoroughly enjoyed your reactions. Looking forward to messiah.
if it's still playing in theaters around you, please please please go see it! it's just as good, maybe even better, the second time around! ◡̈ and thanks for filling the guys in on the lore, Rob!
Chakobsa is an actual northern caucasian language in real life as a matter of fact. It was called "The Huntsmans language" and was considered a secret language by wealthy nobles and princes in a couple of slavic and eurasian countries who would use it during both hunting trips out into the wilderness for sport, and more importantly, during military raids to communicate with troops.
Think of it like a more complicated and verbose version of Pig-Latin.
It's good to see someone who knows actual stuff about the world comment here.
Of course, Herbert only took the name for the language (secret languages tend not to be well-attested anyway, obviously), and the "Chakobsa" words he used were taken from other, unrelated real world languages (usually Arabic). And the Chakobsa in the movies is a conlang.
What people most people don’t understand is when the emperor said your father was a weak man because he led with his heart, that is just the opposite of what Paul is just doing, he is not leading with his heart he is leading with politics. And that is what comes between him and Chani… he has to have power to make change, acquiring that power means he has control over Fremen, which is just Chani did not want. A no-win situation.
In rhe scene where Paul asks his mom if his dad knew he knows damn well because he took the water.
In that moment you can hear fear in her voice because even she is a bit scared of him.
Lad on the left should think more and say less.
Girls keep around the ugly / fat friend, boys keep around the stupid friend.
I felt that way at first too but eventually the stuff he was saying was so dumb it just became hilarious.
Never let ol boy on the left leave. He’s the comedic relief.
39:00 This final Atreides soldier is played by Roger Yuan who is the fight coordinator for the movie.
Check where that band is by the end of the movie.
I love that Zuff said he was getting Anakin vibes! That is the exact right response to new Paul! 💙
I love the part where Paul makes the emperor kiss that uncomfortable hunk of metal that was his birthright. You think he knows where Paul had had to hide it?
better than all of Star Wars
This quote by Herbert really helped me understand Dune -- "I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." One of the most dangerous presidents we had in this century was John Kennedy because people said "Yes Sir Mr. Charismatic Leader what do we do next?" and we wound up in Vietnam. And I think probably the most valuable president of this century was Richard Nixon. Because he taught us to distrust government and he did it by example."
Thank you for the reaction, it was a joy !
I knew that Herbert never intended for Paul to be seen as a saviour/good guy but I’ve never heard this quote from him before and it’s blowing my mind a little because I’ve never thought of JFK or Nixon in that context before!
I was thinking about that, "Hey, how can we expose Americans to Jihad and get them into the idea of a holy war, I know, let's do a Dune remake!"
The potential of the human mind is a much better theme in Dune that the political stuff.
35:44 Lea Seydoux stan. We stan. Rob should check out The Beast with her and George Mackay.
Paul's secret name, "Usul", is a word for the foundation/base of a pillar, that holds everything else up, and his war name, "Muad'Dib", the kangaroo mouse of Arrakis, is also a constellation that points to their North Star, AkA "The One Who Points the Way", another word for leader, SO, Paul Muad'Dib Usul, AkA "Paul, the one who leads the way, and is the foundation that holds us all up"... also, the Harkonnens planet is orbiting a black sun, so with that and their ozone layer, it makes an old school filter on the whole planet, so in the suns rays everything is shades of blacks, greys, and whites, but away from the suns rays they have colours...
Such great films, I’m so happy they got Villneuve to direct it, his work was underrated for a minute. My favorite part of the rxn was the book talk cuz they can only fit so much in the movies and the story is insanely in-depth. Thanks for the info Rob!
They waited to watch this for the channel?? I cannot even imagine the patience. Best boys
When the hooks lift the worm’s scales the sand is an irritant to the skin underneath so the worm stays on the surface to minimize the irritation. To get off, you just release the hooks and the worm will dive under the sand and the rider stays on the surface.
If a Lazgun beam strikes a Holtzman shield, it causes a thermonuclear explosion. They had to take out the air support, which was shielded, at which point the crawler was defenseless.
He's giving you Anakin vibes? Good, good.
Watching this movie in theaters was an amazing experience LMAO. I watched it in theaters 3 times, im glad yall enjoyed it. I don’t think they used this in the movie, but usually when fremen women wear blue, it means they’re pregnant and/or romantically attached. That’s why she wore blue, but in the movie they probably just used it as a way to identify her.
I love how Stilgar being the comic relief 😂😂
Dude in the purple is so fucking invested in Zendaya lmao...you're in love bro. You're moms gonna be so mad.
There were so many moments in this film that gave me goosebumps! This film is a cinematic marvel.
23:32 Zuff is going to lose his mind if you guys watch Challengers
19:40 even worse, if the laser hits the shield it’ll cause a nuclear explosion. Gotta take out the shielded equipment first