I’m playing a cedh kinnan deck that is very very similar to how this deck plays, but I think my long term goal just became turning that deck into this one. And I won’t have to buy many cards to do the switch. Thank you for putting together such a fun and consistent deck.
1st and still favorite of mine, too. I've moved into freed lines with faeburrow and bloom tender, keeping the card quality high, but very happy to see the lightning bolt loops! That was my first change when I dropped a RiP and an opponent wheeled away my Finale. Oops.
Love the video Ian! Have switched to this list as my main blue deck and have been loving it. When you mentioned the instant speed win with Swift/Druid at the beginning I instantly thought of e zone. Was stoked to see you bring it in! Excited to make the recent changes and test them out :)
Great video! I played the very first lists of the deck back in 2020 if I’m not mistaken, this is a huge upgrade in consistency and card quality! Best regards mate! ;)
On this point I'm running a mixture of classical podline and Dawnwaker Thrasios. But i thnik the Podline is going to go out because, as you say, these are Deadcards beside the combo. And so much more slots are free. Pod, Derevi, Karmic Guide, Kikijikki, FelidarGuardian. I'll think i'll swap them for straigh Stax such as Esper sentinal or Aven Mindcensor. Your Video was quite Good. Keep it up man.
Isn't Melira, Sylvok Outcast better than Vizier ? Doing the same job, but can be tutored with GSZ, has 1 more thoughtness, and can prevent a Triumph of the Hordes loss, or a random Black Sun's Zenith wrecking your board. Or is there a reason that I'm not aware of to play Vizier ?
Melira actually prevents the ability to put counters on. This is a common misconception melira actually won't work with the way its worded. A quick Google search can show judges explaining it quite eloquently
Changing my UCFC list to this as sadly Food Chain seems not so good right now with all the RoL effects but I'm super excited to play Zirda, I had a Kenrith casual deck with Zirda, Biomancer's, TG, and Seedborn and it was pretty gross
QUESTION. how would you feel about "Time of Need" in this deck? 2 mana legendary creature tutor that could grab kinnan, zirda or emiel. curious on your thoughts
I agree that Joraga tree speaker needs to come out, it’s cumbersome. Arbor elf is better. I did not see walking ballista, it could be another win con with infinite mana, or dimensional infiltrator as well.
Cool deck man! Looks better than Zirda for mid-game. Doesn’t look like it has the speed of Zirda though. I’ve been playing and fine tuning Zirda (as Commander, not in the 99) for a while now so it’s fun to see how Zirda gets used in other cEDH decks.
Been working on pako for a long time now, basically same time you’ve been looking at this deck it would seem because Kinnan/ zirda came out at the same time as pako with Ikoria, I would highly reccomend testing alchemists refuge either in another land slot or in the e zone slot, especially for your deck which can leverage using thras or getting committal value with flash spells when all it costs is the extra 3 mana when games go slow, more colors in the activation is very scary of course, even more so in 4 colors than 3, but I feel like it’s worth the slot in a deck that can draw land so often already
Here i am in 2024, looking for a new deck and saw Thrasios. I immediately thought of Zirda, so that led me to Bruse Tarl. I want to make a deck like this but powered down for casual play: no infinites. I think I want to use creatures with activated abilities and the other ways to reduce that mana cost to 1. Any tips, anyone? EDHrec doesnt help, it's too niche
i'm looking to get into cedh and this deck is superrr exciting to me (this is such a wonderful + thorough walkthrough too, wow); wondering ab the choice to run lightning bolt over abrade?? have you found the additional mana not worth the flexibility, outside of the EW/emiel loop?
this is an awesome deck! i love zirda and i wish it were easier to run them as a companion, hahaha, i think this is a really cool take on zirda, having them neither in the command zone, nor as the companion, but in the 99. really awesome, thanks for sharing the deck tech with us :D
It's basically a better abrade. More potential for removal and exile is great. We also only use sylvan library life wise so the 4/4 often won't be used on us
Swift configuration makes devoted Druid into an artifact, I see you were speaking of vizier of remedies and devoted Druid to get around the ouphe, My bad.
If you’re on infinite mana from basalt or devoted Druid, how do you infinitely re-buy lightning bolt? Where does the red mana come from? Doesn’t that only work off infinite dockside mana?
Great deck tech, love me a midrange deck! Curious to hear your opinion on biomancers familiar and vexing shusher for this deck/midrange thrasios decks?
Boimancers was just yhe worst version if that effect and we don't need that many. Shusher was in for a long long time, hard to find slots these days as the deck is tight
Hey ComedIan, thanks for the video and the decklist, I love that build ! :D I am wondering, why not include Carpet of Flowers ? Too specific ? Since the release of SNC and CLB, what do you think of An Offer You Can't Refuse, Ledger and Archivist of Oghma ?
Carpet I have found in an open meta is way too inconsistent. I think the meta overall has moved past the point ifnthat card being a staple. Archivist is good but we don't really have room. An offer is in the list. And shredder is really good but not in this deck
But how do you make other colors of mana? for the Lightning Bolt line lets say. I dont see lotus petal wich you could buyback with eternal witness, only thing i can think of is that you bounce dockside and make mana that way. Great deck btw. !
Ok i found a convoluted line lmao. You can do this: Play birds for green, cast finale for x=10 giving it haste, tap birds for white, play eternal witness and get back finale, play noble hierarch and do the same, now you got WW wich you can use to cast emiel, now bounce ewitnes and birds, witnes brings back finale, wich gives haste to bird, wich makes red mana and you can now produce colored mana with this simple looop xD bolt for win, gg ez haha
Having played the current deck list for the past few months, I'm finding arbor elf feeling more and more like a massive let down every time it gets played. Any ideas other than treespeaker?
I don't see in the Primer and I didn't hear in the video (sorry if I missed it) any mention of Priest of Titania. I understand that she doesn't go infinite in this list, but she should be regularly tapping at least for 2, usually more, allowing decent 2-3 activations Thrasios turns even without combo pieces. Any reason you're not on it?
Dose Bruce Tarl have an activated ability to work with Zirda’s companion restriction? I thought commanders needed to follow the companion restriction. I really like this deck and was thinking about building it so i hope Im on the wrong track
Just a comment on your comment of "Thassa's Oracle". You mentioned that you don't have to play a dead card like this. Doesn't Vizier of Remedies act the same way? Isn't it a dead card unless you're combo-ing out?
His thoughts: "Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder- many people suggest akiri, line slinger as a commander instead and I couldn't disagree more. Bruse is an amazing clock. More importantly however, Bruce can be sacrificed to eldritch evolution or neoform to grab seedborn muse. The life gained from Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder swings have won several grindy games for me. Akiri being around for free spells is nice but realistically that is what Thrasios, Triton Hero is for. As far as getting Zirda, the Dawnwaker by sacrificing Akiri to Neoform or Eldritch Evolution that is definitely nice but far from something I would want to give up grabbing seedborn for. Another thing that kind of invalidates the Akiri neoform "benefit" is that the deck is chalk full of 1-3 cmc creatures as opposed to the 2 four drops in the deck. It is much easier to Neoform the already existing creatures in the deck into Zirda, the dawnwaker rather than praying we hit our 4 cmc creatures to neoform into Seedborn Muse. Just a side note; Bruse+Oakhame adversary is pretty busted. To be frank I only see upside from having Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder as a partner and see no real benefit from Akiri except the "if you have your free with commander spells" and that argument does not hold up against these other benefits."
But, but…what about frog? :( /s What I love and fear about thrasios bruse is the high card quality and the overall synergy. Practically every card with 2+cmc is scary. For example, Zirda not only combos with Basalt, but also supports the Emiel lines.
"Ian's favorite deck ever is Zirda?!" and than my stupidity dissipated for a moment and I remembered that Ian is the man behind DW Thrasios. My stupidity aside, DW Thras is such a fun deck...even Zirda on her own is.
I dont get the point that u said swift got flash and can win in response on someone else winning but u dont actually explain how to win after u get the infinite (green) mana while still on the stack.
I’m playing a cedh kinnan deck that is very very similar to how this deck plays, but I think my long term goal just became turning that deck into this one. And I won’t have to buy many cards to do the switch. Thank you for putting together such a fun and consistent deck.
From the future. Don’t
Love this list - your og was the first cedh deck I ever ran. Dubbing this version affectionately: a *swifter* dawnwaker thrasios
Dang! I really like that
HA I WAS RIGHT! This is what I guessen when I clicked on the thumbnail. But yeah this is a cool deck.
Show us the unedited thumbnail
Gonna build this and take to tourney. Thanks comedian i enjoy your videos.
1st and still favorite of mine, too. I've moved into freed lines with faeburrow and bloom tender, keeping the card quality high, but very happy to see the lightning bolt loops! That was my first change when I dropped a RiP and an opponent wheeled away my Finale. Oops.
Love the video Ian! Have switched to this list as my main blue deck and have been loving it.
When you mentioned the instant speed win with Swift/Druid at the beginning I instantly thought of e zone. Was stoked to see you bring it in!
Excited to make the recent changes and test them out :)
I would love you to do a decktech on your take of PAKO/HALDAN too !!!
Great video! I played the very first lists of the deck back in 2020 if I’m not mistaken, this is a huge upgrade in consistency and card quality! Best regards mate! ;)
Awesome deck tech! Gives me some good ideas for my thrasios jeska list I've been reworking.
Im currently building this based off your list after playinh against you during the pwp tournament and im really excited
My friend plays this deck, its extremely resilient and definitely the best 'midrange' deck I've played against
On this point I'm running a mixture of classical podline and Dawnwaker Thrasios. But i thnik the Podline is going to go out because, as you say, these are Deadcards beside the combo. And so much more slots are free. Pod, Derevi, Karmic Guide, Kikijikki, FelidarGuardian. I'll think i'll swap them for straigh Stax such as Esper sentinal or Aven Mindcensor. Your Video was quite Good. Keep it up man.
Chulane likes some Wargate as well. Like you found a place for it outside of that home
Isn't Melira, Sylvok Outcast better than Vizier ? Doing the same job, but can be tutored with GSZ, has 1 more thoughtness, and can prevent a Triumph of the Hordes loss, or a random Black Sun's Zenith wrecking your board. Or is there a reason that I'm not aware of to play Vizier ?
Melira actually prevents the ability to put counters on. This is a common misconception melira actually won't work with the way its worded. A quick Google search can show judges explaining it quite eloquently
Changing my UCFC list to this as sadly Food Chain seems not so good right now with all the RoL effects but I'm super excited to play Zirda, I had a Kenrith casual deck with Zirda, Biomancer's, TG, and Seedborn and it was pretty gross
QUESTION. how would you feel about "Time of Need" in this deck? 2 mana legendary creature tutor that could grab kinnan, zirda or emiel. curious on your thoughts
Try it and see if you like it man
Can you update your primer for your favorite deck?
I agree that Joraga tree speaker needs to come out, it’s cumbersome. Arbor elf is better. I did not see walking ballista, it could be another win con with infinite mana, or dimensional infiltrator as well.
Great deck tech as always!
Keep it up ! :)
Cool deck man! Looks better than Zirda for mid-game. Doesn’t look like it has the speed of Zirda though. I’ve been playing and fine tuning Zirda (as Commander, not in the 99) for a while now so it’s fun to see how Zirda gets used in other cEDH decks.
Awesome video I've been wanting to brew this deck
Been working on pako for a long time now, basically same time you’ve been looking at this deck it would seem because Kinnan/ zirda came out at the same time as pako with Ikoria, I would highly reccomend testing alchemists refuge either in another land slot or in the e zone slot, especially for your deck which can leverage using thras or getting committal value with flash spells when all it costs is the extra 3 mana when games go slow, more colors in the activation is very scary of course, even more so in 4 colors than 3, but I feel like it’s worth the slot in a deck that can draw land so often already
Here i am in 2024, looking for a new deck and saw Thrasios. I immediately thought of Zirda, so that led me to Bruse Tarl.
I want to make a deck like this but powered down for casual play: no infinites.
I think I want to use creatures with activated abilities and the other ways to reduce that mana cost to 1.
Any tips, anyone?
EDHrec doesnt help, it's too niche
7:12 Well, technically he has summoning sickness, but since he's not a creature it's irrelevant.
i'm looking to get into cedh and this deck is superrr exciting to me (this is such a wonderful + thorough walkthrough too, wow); wondering ab the choice to run lightning bolt over abrade?? have you found the additional mana not worth the flexibility, outside of the EW/emiel loop?
Between the flexibility and outlet I'm very happy with bolt. Also we have resculpt over abrade
@@ComedIanMTG ahhh gotcha! thanks:) love your work !!!
Have you updated this list with any of the new capenna cards?
Not yet, but tbh I don't really think I have anything to add
this is an awesome deck! i love zirda and i wish it were easier to run them as a companion, hahaha, i think this is a really cool take on zirda, having them neither in the command zone, nor as the companion, but in the 99. really awesome, thanks for sharing the deck tech with us :D
Sweet list! Can you explain to me the uses of resculpt?
It's basically a better abrade. More potential for removal and exile is great. We also only use sylvan library life wise so the 4/4 often won't be used on us
man this deck deck was so useful, what's your thoughts about Yoshimaru/Thrasios list?
Bring on the Dawn - Also I will never unsee..you know what :D
Swift configuration makes devoted Druid into an artifact, I see you were speaking of vizier of remedies and devoted Druid to get around the ouphe, My bad.
Do you think you should add the archivist from commander legends to this deck?
It's in consideration. The problem is finding cuts for it
Dawnwaker thrasios was the first deck I ever lost to when I first got into the format, I think the deck seems really cool, just not my thing though.
If you’re on infinite mana from basalt or devoted Druid, how do you infinitely re-buy lightning bolt? Where does the red mana come from? Doesn’t that only work off infinite dockside mana?
Converting with dockside is the easiest way. Explained pretty thoroughly in the primer
Great deck tech, love me a midrange deck! Curious to hear your opinion on biomancers familiar and vexing shusher for this deck/midrange thrasios decks?
Boimancers was just yhe worst version if that effect and we don't need that many. Shusher was in for a long long time, hard to find slots these days as the deck is tight
@@ComedIanMTG fair enough thanks for replying 👍
Hey ComedIan, thanks for the video and the decklist, I love that build ! :D
I am wondering, why not include Carpet of Flowers ? Too specific ?
Since the release of SNC and CLB, what do you think of An Offer You Can't Refuse, Ledger and Archivist of Oghma ?
Carpet I have found in an open meta is way too inconsistent. I think the meta overall has moved past the point ifnthat card being a staple.
Archivist is good but we don't really have room. An offer is in the list. And shredder is really good but not in this deck
Is urzas saga and the walker sword worth running for druid mana?
Great video!
But how do you make other colors of mana? for the Lightning Bolt line lets say. I dont see lotus petal wich you could buyback with eternal witness, only thing i can think of is that you bounce dockside and make mana that way. Great deck btw. !
Ok i found a convoluted line lmao. You can do this: Play birds for green, cast finale for x=10 giving it haste, tap birds for white, play eternal witness and get back finale, play noble hierarch and do the same, now you got WW wich you can use to cast emiel, now bounce ewitnes and birds, witnes brings back finale, wich gives haste to bird, wich makes red mana and you can now produce colored mana with this simple looop xD bolt for win, gg ez haha
So you only need a single red for dockside. Springleaf, chrome mox, metamorph and a few other ways can get you there
Having played the current deck list for the past few months, I'm finding arbor elf feeling more and more like a massive let down every time it gets played. Any ideas other than treespeaker?
Wouldn t be better Melira, sylvok outcast than vizier of remedies as it is green and that makes it more tutorable?
Answered on a separate comment but no it doesn't work due to the difference in wording. Melira makes it so you cant even activate the ability
@@ComedIanMTG oh thanks!!
Ian, any merit to a few cards? Would love to hear you views…
Bloom Tender
Arbor Elf
Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth
Wandering archaic
All have been tested. You should check the Primer as the updates writeup for each should be enlightening
I don't see in the Primer and I didn't hear in the video (sorry if I missed it) any mention of Priest of Titania. I understand that she doesn't go infinite in this list, but she should be regularly tapping at least for 2, usually more, allowing decent 2-3 activations Thrasios turns even without combo pieces. Any reason you're not on it?
2 mana dorks that aren't combo pieces are really hard to justify. Bloom tender was much more consistent and had a lot of synergy and was still cut
How come grand abolisher isn’t in the list?
It's in the newer one
@@ComedIanMTG do you mind sending that list over please?
Dose Bruce Tarl have an activated ability to work with Zirda’s companion restriction? I thought commanders needed to follow the companion restriction. I really like this deck and was thinking about building it so i hope Im on the wrong track
Zirda is in the 99 it isn't a companion
@@ComedIanMTG awesome thanks
@@ComedIanMTG I suppose i should get to work on filling out my collection to build this list.
I don’t understand the bolt and Sean song lines because you’ll only be able to create infinite colorless or green mana so how do you convert the mana?
Dockside. It's explained in the primer
@@ComedIanMTG Reading is a skill one should learn lol
I love Wargate
Just a comment on your comment of "Thassa's Oracle".
You mentioned that you don't have to play a dead card like this.
Doesn't Vizier of Remedies act the same way? Isn't it a dead card unless you're combo-ing out?
Thassas isn't a win con vizier is l. Some people play thassas to just win which isn't a good use of slots
Where do we get the infinite red mana for the lightning bolt win?
Dockside + Emiel
I think arbor elf is probably better than treespeaker ngl. You'll usually have a fetch or something to get a forest out
My friend runs this whole deck but with akiri over bruise. Thoughts?
His thoughts: "Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder- many people suggest akiri, line slinger as a commander instead and I couldn't disagree more. Bruse is an amazing clock. More importantly however, Bruce can be sacrificed to eldritch evolution or neoform to grab seedborn muse. The life gained from Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder swings have won several grindy games for me. Akiri being around for free spells is nice but realistically that is what Thrasios, Triton Hero is for. As far as getting Zirda, the Dawnwaker by sacrificing Akiri to Neoform or Eldritch Evolution that is definitely nice but far from something I would want to give up grabbing seedborn for. Another thing that kind of invalidates the Akiri neoform "benefit" is that the deck is chalk full of 1-3 cmc creatures as opposed to the 2 four drops in the deck. It is much easier to Neoform the already existing creatures in the deck into Zirda, the dawnwaker rather than praying we hit our 4 cmc creatures to neoform into Seedborn Muse. Just a side note; Bruse+Oakhame adversary is pretty busted. To be frank I only see upside from having Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder as a partner and see no real benefit from Akiri except the "if you have your free with commander spells" and that argument does not hold up against these other benefits."
Do you think jeska's will would be good in this deck?
No we really don't have many things to cast off of only red. That and it is much better as a fast piece than a grind engine
@@ComedIanMTG That makes sense, I just got one from and commander legends pack and I was curious about its merits.
But, but…what about frog? :( /s
What I love and fear about thrasios bruse is the high card quality and the overall synergy. Practically every card with 2+cmc is scary. For example, Zirda not only combos with Basalt, but also supports the Emiel lines.
Been looking for a home for thrasios i cant wait to brutalize my pod 😂
This isnt DOMMY MOMMIES?!?
"Ian's favorite deck ever is Zirda?!" and than my stupidity dissipated for a moment and I remembered that Ian is the man behind DW Thrasios.
My stupidity aside, DW Thras is such a fun deck...even Zirda on her own is.
I dont get the point that u said swift got flash and can win in response on someone else winning but u dont actually explain how to win after u get the infinite (green) mana while still on the stack.
Akiri the lines linger exists. Idk why you are acting like it doesn’t. Kinda gross.