I test drove a Model Y. I knew the suspension was bad when I hit my head on the b-pillar going over a buckle in the payment. Bear in mind, my current daily is a Renault Clio RS200 Cup, and at the time I was driving an MX-5 with a track suspension, so a stiff ride doesn't bother me, but it was too much in the Y.
The lack of buttons in the Tesla is simply cost cutting. Buttons cost lots of money to engineer and produce. A touch screen can be programmed by a 15 yo. And the central screen is for one reason only: So they only have to produce one dash for both left and right hand markets. Cheap.
@@BillReyDead serious. Manufacturers spend millions of dollars engineering buttons and dials, from the shape and texture, to the way they feel to operate, to give them a quality “premium” feel.
@@intheknow6499 How is it then that the very cheapest vehicles have hundreds of buttons? Why does the cheapest stereos have loads of buttons? Buttons are really, really not an expensive part.
Teslas are a car for the future. They are expensive and while not in the price range of most young adults, that is where they see the future purchases coming from. The young take to the screen much better than us oldies who have been driving for years and are used to buttons. Case in point, the reviewer. He's got to be in his 50's. So to him the Tesla is foreign even though clearly he has driven a few before. I know a 23 year old who just bought the Model 3. She took to the screen like a duck to water. Loves it. But it will be less foreign to young adults who are attached to their phones at the hip and who have grown up with swipes and gestures. Also, Musk's favourite saying is "the best part is no part". So the design, construction and interior of the car has to a great extent been driven by that philosophy.
I think by not following convention, by looking at what has been done for years and finding new ways to simplify and reduce production cost, Tesla did the right thing. I rather they focus their resources on what matters...efficiency, range, power, drive train, safety. Yes, they can add fancy premium buttons, dashboard materials like luxury car makers, but that will make their cars even more expensive and out of reach of more people. They don't have a legacy to protect like traditional luxury makes.
I'm just the other way. The EV3 launched here first. I must say, if weren't for the smaller dimensions/trunk space that I need for my 2 young daughters and their stuff, the EV3 would be a top contender. Looks to offer great value for its money. But I need more space.... so I'm waiting on the EV5.... hopefully somewhere in 2025.
Yes, unfortunately motoring journos sometimes believe what they are told. According to the onscreen graphic, the Tesla Boot space is 50% larger than the EV5 which is of course.. bollocks.. When pressed the journo comes back with an opinion that Model Y is at least 20% larger. In reality, when using standard measurements it is likely to be just 5% larger according to independent measurements of the Model Y by a German motoring body and Bjorn Nord banana box test. (See detailed response in a later post) I say "likely" as the assumption is Kia have not altered their methodology....
@@rileywatson3450honestly it doesn’t, and it’s poor reporting they didn’t make it clear, Kia uses the international VDA standard measurement for luggage up to the top of the back seat or parcel shelf Teslas volume is theoretical total volume to the roof, Tesla is bigger, but not that much bigger
which make the Y completely unusable for us to carry our 6.8m surf ski. Kia EV was impressive but I'll wait for the Zeekr 7X which looks to be a lot better
I have rented both the Tesla Model 3 and the Model Y on quite a number of occasions. I am always amazed at how huge the Model Y is inside the cabin, especially when you put the back seat down. I used it to move quite big furniture when I was setting an apartment up for sale. Otherwise, it really is toey and who wouldn't want that. And I liked the suspension a lot it is firm but comfortable, felt like a real drivers car. I cannot understand why anyone would have an issue with this kind of suspension other than they must be a really boring and vanilla type person who has no interest in the driving experience. So if you are at all a thinking person who enjoys a bit of spirited driving, the Model Y is definitely the go. If you want to be totally comatosed while you drive, well practically anything else might be for you.
In my Tesla I only use the touch screen when changing radio stations. All other features are on the steering wheel or accessed via voice commands. It's an easy vehicle to get used to.
Have to agree with this, have had my model 3 for over 2 years, set up everything: seat positions, etc only once. And for multiple driver profiles. I use voice commands too. So easy. The only thing that is silly is having to use the screen or voice command to open the glove box. I also love the way I just walk up to the car and get in and immediately drive, no start button.
@@MarceloAlcantaraX It is good. I got a GT-line RWD. Price about $80k, can't remember exactly. The Model Y had only just released in Aus, so the prices were comparable. The Model Y does a lot of things well, but those things are mostly novelties and gimmicks that I might use once to show off to a friend, then never touch again. The things the EV6 does well, however, impact every single drive, whether to the corner store across the country.
I just checked by curiosity and the cheapest kia ev6 goes for almost 77k while the cheapest model y goes for 60k. So for 17k difference is definitely not an apples for apples comparison.
@@MarceloAlcantaraXThis was two years ago, when the Y was first released, before Tesla massively cut their prices. At the time, the prices were within a couple thousand.
Tesla has a whole heap of very clever shortcuts built into the steering wheel buttons and stalks. The need to use the screen while driving is fairly rare once you learn it. Very, very good system. Also, as it’s software based, gets updated regularly.
@@ethranton exactly. They literally have no idea what so ever and these are the reviewers we are supposed to trust. They dont even mention voice commands which work really well
@ethranton Yet the automatic wipers don't work and there are no rear wind screen wipers. Oh, and no one talks about how bad the voice activation is. I'd take Android Auto over Tesla's software any day.
I cannot understand why people say that Tesla's regenerative braking cannot be altered. It has an infinitely variable adjustment via the driver's foot. Lift a bit...gentle regen, lift further...strong regen. That is so much better than flappy paddles that break your fingernails. Very disappointing that Kia is not fitting a heat pump to the EV5, but I suppose that is where the cost cutting bites. Otherwise, a great car that I would seriously consider as an alternative to the nanny state safety systems that slow down or slam on the brakes as fitted to the Tesla. Swings and roundabouts...
All EVs nowadays have regen breaking you technically adjust through how much you press the accel peddle. When they say adjustable regen breaking they mean actual presets that change even how much coming off the accel regens at the same level of accel or lack thereof.
@@baskervil92 Its a different philosophy. Tesla is saying regenerative braking is an extremely useful component of an EV and maximises the value of braking to what is the biggest cost component of an EV, the battery. As a company that only makes EVs and has never made ICE vehicles, they were not bound by the idea of giving their customers more of the same, but in an EV. All of the ICE manufacturers that provide variable regen to their customers are saying the customer knows best and we will give them what they like as opposed to what is best for them. I have driven a Tesla Model 3 and it took all of 2 minutes to get used to the high regen and love it. One pedal driving was so cool and so easy. I have had the Prius and Prius C and while both have elements of regen, it is nothing compared to the experience in a Tesla. Is it any wonder that Tesla oweners are going years without having to change brake pads.
Although being an old man myself; this was an 'old man's review' on the Tesla. Not mentioning the shortcuts to all kinds of commands via the steering wheel buttons. Not mentioning voice control, etc. How do you operate your iPhone and iPad? Sorry for being a bit harsh maybe. For the rest a great test.
Spot on. I made a similar comment myself. Tesla is about future generations who are all experts with software and screens and swiping. Of course a reviewer in his 50's will find it harder to get used to, when all of our lives we have been used to what's in current ICE vehicles. I can control an iphone and ipad, so look forward to buying a Tesla and taking on the centre screen.
I agree. In either car what do you need to touch on the screen while driving? Air conditioning can be adjusted by voice control. Cross traffic alert has been added to Tesla MY via over the air update. Personally I would not buy KIA due to many issues I had with their petrol versions. And they are always updating their cars.
You mentioned that Tesla will be upgrading the Model Y in the near future with the Juniper model. But you forgot to mention that KIA will also bring two upgrades to the EV5 in the near future! The EV5 Earth model in Nov-Dec and the EV5 GT-Line in Jan-Feb in Australia. These new KIA models will improve on some aspects you were critical of: more powerful motor, and more technologies in the car system. So if you are ready to wait for Model Y Juniper, you should also keep an eye on KIA EV5 Earth and GT-Line. Because in my opinion, the comparison might end up in KIA's favour.
I have a Kia Seltos GT-Line. It is their standard terminology for an up-specced model. In the seltos it gets you a different engine and gearbox ans well as AWD. It is the same as most manufacturers. VW has base, GTi and R. Different spec, different features and basically they are up-selling. Tesla does the same thing but with a base model, dual motor long range and then performance. The difference however is there is not too much difference inside and features, it is simply extra electric motor and larger battery pack. It will be interesting to see how much extra you get in the GT-Line. The one thing that I found missing from this story is the details of the battery. Just giving you size and charging is not sufficient information. Battery chemistry is important. I believe the Model Y base model gets the LFP batteries which are less dense than the NMC in the other 2 models, but LFP batteries are far more stable and can operate from 0-100% as opposed to 20-80% recommended for the NMC. They also have a larger number of recharges. Finally they don't require Cobalt and all of the controversy that comes with it.
This video needs to be re-edited. The trunk space in an SUV is an important feature for buyers. Tesla use a different formula to measure trunk space. It is nonsense and a disservice to viewers to publish side by side figures where the methodology is so different. Using the common standard volumetric measurement, no way is the Model Y trunk space 854 litres! Try 540 litres......so approx just 5% larger than the EV5 513ltres. This German motoring organisation conduct their own measurements, the link and a Google translated extract are below. If that isn't enough evidence, a secondary form of measurement is the "banana box" test, conducted by prolific EV UA-camr tester Bjorn Nyland. His test of the Xpeng G6 (a similar size to model Y) documents : Model Y: 9 boxes in trunk, 26 boxes with rear seats down Xpeng G6: 9 in trunk, 27 with seats down. The published data by Xpeng for the G6 is 571litres in trunk and 1374 litres with seats down. Teslas figures of 854 can't possibly be derived from same methodology, it clearly does not have a 50% larger trunk than the G6 or the EV5! assets.adac.de/image/upload/Autodatenbank/Autotest/at6259-tesla-model-y-maximum-range-awd/tesla-model-y-maximum-range-awd.pdf model-y-maximum-range-awd/tesla-model-y-maximum-range-awd.pdf "The Model Y offers a large and easy to use trunk. The standard volume is 420 l. You use it If you raise the storage space up to the roof, the volume expands to 540 l. Alternatively, you can store up to eleven in the trunk Store beverage crates. You fold down the back seat and is limited to the storage space up to the Lower edge of window (recommended for safety reasons), can be stowed up to 850 l. Taking advantage of the The entire space behind the front seats is up to 1,380 l Volume available. There is also another 105 liters of storage space underneath Loading floor and around 80 liters in the trunk under the front hood"
Would love to see your numbers. @stuartwilko has Tesla insured for $1,300 with Allianz. So what do you pay for your insurance and how many kilometres do you do each year, then lets do the math. We will subtract the difference between the $1,300 for the Tesla and your insurance. Based on fuel of around $1.80, and assuming your car is getting roughly 7l/100km, we can work out how long the difference would actually be. But to be really fair, we should then also look at the rate at which you pay for your electricity and use that number times the distance you travel to get a good picture of what a Tesla would cost you versus an ICE car, assuming you live in a house and can charge at home. Finally, what is the cost of maintenance and servicing on your car each year? If we get that information and run the numbers, only then will you be in a position to adequately judge whether an EV is for you or not.
Model Y is due for the refresh the Model 3 got. Once it gets that, it will be a clear winner for the price. New Model 3 refinements are a major upgrade over the previous 3/Current Y.
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Less than the cost of rebuilding an ice engine, but battery will last the life of the vehicle. Battery tech has come a long way since the anti-ev crowd started spouting this fallacy
It's difficult to tell. The reason is you are trying to estimate what the cost of a battery pack will be in say 2032. If you buy the Tesla with an 8 year, 160,000km warranty, and we are at the end of 2024, your warranty expires end of 2032, lets say early in 2033. So how much for a battery in 2033 is the question you are asking. Well, here is some interesting information. the price per kWhr of battery in 2013 was $806. In 2024, it is estimated to be down to $115. The Chinese apparently are making them at $94 per kWhr. If these numbers are correct, the manufacturing price for the 60kWhr Tesla battery is 115x60 = $6,900. Add 50% for profit and putting it into a pack, makes it roughly $10,350. All you can do is assume. Lets assume the price continues to fall as it has, you may get down to $50/kWhr. So the the manufacturing price for the 60kWhr Tesla battery is 50x60 = $3,000. Add 50% for profit and putting it into a pack, makes it roughly $4,500 in 2023. Finally, and this is the bit most people fail to grasp, once a battery is either dead or simply at a level too low to use for a car, it still has value. An LFP battery is over 90% recyclable. That assumes it is dead. So you get the recycling value. If it is not dead, but at 80% strength, it is still valuable to use as energy storage. A Tesla powerwall today gives you 13.6kWhr for $13,000 installed. Therea re many people looking for crashed EVs just to get at the battery pack. A 60kWhr Model Y battery is almost 4.5X the size of a Tesla powerwall. So your question is very difficult to answer, but as stated by @tazpartridge1612, likely less thasn the cost of rebuilding an ICE engine. And that is assuming the battery dies just after warranty. Some believe the Tesla LFP batteries are good for 500,000km. So the car will likely be dead before the battery.
The KIA ev5 has a similar shape to the Toyota rav & kluger… Also what’s with the weird centre console bit, I want a storage console that items can’t be seen, not something that looks like a bench seat from the 1960’s..
You need to understand the Tesla voice commands. Most key functions required when driving can be done just by talking to it. The others are accessible from the buttons you mention. Even the glove box you mention - “open glovebox”.
My point is not that I talk to the car but can operate most functions without taking my eyes off the road. The video seemed to indicate that the centre screen was a safety hazard but you can actually perform more actions than a normal ICE vehicle where for example you need to turn air recirculation on, I just press the right hand button and say “recirculate on”. Whilst I can do this I still much prefer to talk to my passengers.
@@jline3701 then get one of them to open the glovebox, most probably the passenger, best person as they are located next to the glovebox. This is not a difficult concept. My 5 year old worked it out. Want me to get him to assist you?
@@zoransarin5411 I never need the glovebox, but there many other functions to handle with the display. It's much easier to handle them with buttons. With buttons you need nobody to assist.
I guess you are talking about Tesla now considered a Legacy EV company to Kia a new comer to the EV segment. Results are not surprising. The new Model Y Juniper is slated for a 2025 release which will only improve this vehicle no doubt.
you think he hand builds each car? I find it interesting that people would potentially avoid buying what is the safest car ever tested in both Europe and the US, and therefore risk the lives of their family, because they do or don't like Elon.
"it hasn't had a bona fide challenger"... Yes it did, and does! The Ioniq 5 ! ! ! The EV5 isn't in the same league, as it has a much smaller trunk. The Ioniq 5 totally competes against the Y.
what is it your "drilling" in everyday on the touch screen ? i barely use the touch screen if only for music, and yes the tesla have 360 analyzer, it came with a software update, as well as matrix LED
They are not nearly the same car, base model vs base model the EV5 has... No sentry mode, only a rear camera, no wireless phone charging, hard plastics all throughout the car., no sunroof, no passenger reading lights, no automatic tailgate, smaller door bins and frunk, less storage, no phone key, no rear parcel shelf or privacy glass for rear windows, no heated steering wheel, no heat pump the front passenger seat is manual, no auto up/down windows for rear, no driver profiles you can save, no heater for second row seats, 50 fewer kw of power, 140mm shorter, 47mm narrower, 6.6kw max AC charging (vs 11kw) estimated 120kw max DC charge (vs 170kw), 55km less range, 25% less efficient, no camp mode, no dog mode, no cabin climate protect, no scheduled preconditioning, no supercharger trip scheduling, no AI charge destination optimisation, no matrix headlights, no PIN to drive, no PIN to set speed limit and drive mode (for young drivers), no Arcade, no auto vent mode. Unkown: walk away locks (although unlikely without a phone key).
Excellent point. In one of the BestInTesla episodes, Lars showed the exact same thing with either an Audi or BMW EV being compared to the Tesla. The Audi/BMW was already a higher price, but when they added the options on to bring it to the same spec as the Tesla, they had to add almost $16,000 Euros to the price. It is an element most reviewers miss. Tesla doesn't do the up-speccing with high price options that all traditional automakers do to you.
Test drove a RWD Model Y and a EV5 long range today, the model Y is twice the car in all areas except for physical buttons in the EV5, Tesla got my money and the Y was considerably cheaper .
2:33 just look at this and think why tesla have more range? Guess what on ev efficiency matters Kia is garbage EV and I own ice kia. Great ice car rubbish ev switching to a Tesla next year hopefully.
I got the same Quicksilver RWD MY. It's the best vehicle I've operated. To those having issues with Elon, dare I point out all the 'ethical' Chinese made products they are using daily. Political issues aside, I don't see why a household with more than 2 cars cannot have an EV. We've already done 7k km in under 4 months and it's dirt cheap to run, using our solar panels and free local libary/shopping center/council charging ports.
The Kia EV5 in base spec is a Kona EV competitor and Atto 3 competitor but with a bigger boot and less performance. The Sealion 7 will be an actual Model Y competitor. FWD only competes with FWD. When they get to AWD status they can compete with other AWD.
Legacy brands lost me with their lack of updates and support after you buy the car. Infotainment and ecu updates are non existent once the car is manufactured. They claim if you want new features, buy a new model. Igboring the idiot ceo, Tesla's keep updating infotainment os and vehicle specs through constant updates, even old models. This is a massive advantage if you enjoy the latest features.
Wait for Juniper....it will be a major step up, more than the improvements from M3 to Highland which was significant. You buy tech as much as the car itself and nothing comes close to Tesla
@@ciybersal3499 lucky for you a Tesla can drive itself. You could yawn, then sleep and the car would get you safely home. No other car in the world has the equivalent capability.
@@TechMyLifeVideo Go watch some videos of FSD version 13.2. You are the one bulshitting. The only company in the US currently running autonomous car is Waymo, owned by Google. The Google head of Waymo was recently interviewed and stated Tesla was the leader in autonomous cars. You clearly don't have a clue. Check out the share price of Tesla today and compare it to early January 2024. Any answer as to why a "car company" which will sell less cars in 2024 than it did in 2023 is now valued at more than double what it was at the start of the year? I'll give you a clue. Wall Street and many institutional investors are finally realising the value of autonomous cars and just how far ahead Tesla is on anyone. For someone with Tech in your moniker, I'm surprised that you are not remotely aware of the tech progress being made by Tesla in the autonomous space.
Tesla can't be considered by rational purchasers of people/things moving. in every ways its unlivable to operate. sooner or later the compromises n cutting of purposes n cheapness like a 90s era excel just becomes irritating. not to mention the unnecesary need to reinvent everything you interact with for difference rather than being better. they do feel fast [n rough] n uses less 'feul', but having had very fast cars n ones that use bit more gas or vice versa, it never a genuine concern after a week or a selling point. cant say yet, I haven't driven yet, but Kia generally drive fine n as a useful non intrusive real car im sure better than the model yuk that I do know is all hype n marketing of flawed design that becomes an intrusion your family car shouldn't be.
Craig. Little inconvenient fact. The Model Y was the best selling car in the world of any type in 2023. It otsold the Toyota Corolla and RAV4. That is no mean feat for a car almost 50% more in cost. You calling 1.22 million people in 2023 alone irrational?
I think Kia have screwed up here. It should be 800V, not 400. There's no load cover in the rear, the plastics are shocking lower down, the DC charging rate is poor, the range is disappointing and the passenger seat side extension is just weird.
Thanks for the comment. Pronunciation is in the ear of the beholder, isn't it? While one person will say aluminium, the other will say aluminum. Castle is a good one: One person might say might say cass-ell, the other might say car-sell. As for the Model Y Juniper, we're not sure when it's arriving in Australia. Could be more than 12 months away. Hope that helps!
Kia has suspension that won't rattle your fillings, or make your kids sick. In a family car, end of discussion.
If you think a Model Y suspension will make your kids sick or rattle your teeth, you sure were raised on rubber tiles and pillows.
I test drove a Model Y. I knew the suspension was bad when I hit my head on the b-pillar going over a buckle in the payment. Bear in mind, my current daily is a Renault Clio RS200 Cup, and at the time I was driving an MX-5 with a track suspension, so a stiff ride doesn't bother me, but it was too much in the Y.
The update will address that
@@JeroennemanNah mate, I was raised in cars with proper suspension.
@@camsmith4047let's just wait and see.
I love like 2025 Kia ev5
The lack of buttons in the Tesla is simply cost cutting. Buttons cost lots of money to engineer and produce. A touch screen can be programmed by a 15 yo. And the central screen is for one reason only: So they only have to produce one dash for both left and right hand markets. Cheap.
Buttons cost lots of money? Are you serious?
@@BillReyDead serious. Manufacturers spend millions of dollars engineering buttons and dials, from the shape and texture, to the way they feel to operate, to give them a quality “premium” feel.
@@intheknow6499 How is it then that the very cheapest vehicles have hundreds of buttons? Why does the cheapest stereos have loads of buttons?
Buttons are really, really not an expensive part.
Teslas are a car for the future. They are expensive and while not in the price range of most young adults, that is where they see the future purchases coming from. The young take to the screen much better than us oldies who have been driving for years and are used to buttons. Case in point, the reviewer. He's got to be in his 50's. So to him the Tesla is foreign even though clearly he has driven a few before. I know a 23 year old who just bought the Model 3. She took to the screen like a duck to water. Loves it. But it will be less foreign to young adults who are attached to their phones at the hip and who have grown up with swipes and gestures. Also, Musk's favourite saying is "the best part is no part". So the design, construction and interior of the car has to a great extent been driven by that philosophy.
I think by not following convention, by looking at what has been done for years and finding new ways to simplify and reduce production cost, Tesla did the right thing. I rather they focus their resources on what matters...efficiency, range, power, drive train, safety. Yes, they can add fancy premium buttons, dashboard materials like luxury car makers, but that will make their cars even more expensive and out of reach of more people. They don't have a legacy to protect like traditional luxury makes.
Great comparison. Thank you for all the on screen comparison stats.
10:35 boxy storage is much better that sloppy back window storage. Numbers do not tell the full story here.
I am anticipating the arrival of the EV3 in the first quarter of 2025 to compare it with the EV5.
I'm just the other way. The EV3 launched here first. I must say, if weren't for the smaller dimensions/trunk space that I need for my 2 young daughters and their stuff, the EV3 would be a top contender. Looks to offer great value for its money. But I need more space.... so I'm waiting on the EV5.... hopefully somewhere in 2025.
So, with a 6 and 2 year old feels like a no-brainer. KIA EV5 for the win. And I even like the colour.
Great comparison review. Thanks for all the comparison tables.
Isn't the boot space of the Tesla (854L) measured to the roof, whereas the EV5 (513L) is measured to the top of the second row seats?
Either way Tesla’s boot was at least 20% bigger from what I saw.
@@tldrinfographics5769that is bullshit. No way MY boot is bigger. Look at the shape. Tesla reports litres all the way to roof.
Yes, unfortunately motoring journos sometimes believe what they are told. According to the onscreen graphic, the Tesla Boot space is 50% larger than the EV5 which is of course.. bollocks.. When pressed the journo comes back with an opinion that Model Y is at least 20% larger. In reality, when using standard measurements it is likely to be just 5% larger according to independent measurements of the Model Y by a German motoring body and Bjorn Nord banana box test. (See detailed response in a later post)
I say "likely" as the assumption is Kia have not altered their methodology....
gotta wait for the Banana Box Test. The only true journalistic test! haha
Fair and informative comparison. Hope Juniper comes with a sunshade
The EV5 is a proper SUV. The Model Y is really a bubble shaped hatchback. It's not a SUV.
Yet it has 300L more boot capacity...
@@sarabeth8050 properly suv with a wheezy front wheel drive electric motors. Kia is for loosers
@@rileywatson3450honestly it doesn’t, and it’s poor reporting they didn’t make it clear, Kia uses the international VDA standard measurement for luggage up to the top of the back seat or parcel shelf
Teslas volume is theoretical total volume to the roof,
Tesla is bigger, but not that much bigger
which make the Y completely unusable for us to carry our 6.8m surf ski. Kia EV was impressive but I'll wait for the Zeekr 7X which looks to be a lot better
@@Lav-v9cthere is awd version. You looser!
The warranty and insurance quotes was the killer for the Model Y for me.
I have rented both the Tesla Model 3 and the Model Y on quite a number of occasions. I am always amazed at how huge the Model Y is inside the cabin, especially when you put the back seat down. I used it to move quite big furniture when I was setting an apartment up for sale. Otherwise, it really is toey and who wouldn't want that. And I liked the suspension a lot it is firm but comfortable, felt like a real drivers car. I cannot understand why anyone would have an issue with this kind of suspension other than they must be a really boring and vanilla type person who has no interest in the driving experience. So if you are at all a thinking person who enjoys a bit of spirited driving, the Model Y is definitely the go. If you want to be totally comatosed while you drive, well practically anything else might be for you.
I think a more equivalent test would have been a Model Y vs Xpeng G6!
In my Tesla I only use the touch screen when changing radio stations. All other features are on the steering wheel or accessed via voice commands. It's an easy vehicle to get used to.
Android Auto kicks the Tesla when it comes to voice commands and features.
Have to agree with this, have had my model 3 for over 2 years, set up everything: seat positions, etc only once. And for multiple driver profiles. I use voice commands too. So easy. The only thing that is silly is having to use the screen or voice command to open the glove box. I also love the way I just walk up to the car and get in and immediately drive, no start button.
No heat pump in EV5, which means consumers in colder/southern states and cities will suffer from poorer efficiency
NCM batteries found in EV5 doesn't need it as much.
@@머쓸이 EV5 from China, which is what Australia is getting, comes only with LFP batteries
@@jiamingtan1119 really?
@@머쓸이 It's rated at 25% less efficient than a Model Y
Very good comparison..
I'm happy to subscribe for this.
I love my model Y. Best car I’ve ever had. Do not buy something else without test driving it first.
I test drove a Model Y. Then bought an EV6.
Can you share which model and for how much? I barely see them on the streets. But looks good.
@@MarceloAlcantaraX It is good. I got a GT-line RWD. Price about $80k, can't remember exactly. The Model Y had only just released in Aus, so the prices were comparable.
The Model Y does a lot of things well, but those things are mostly novelties and gimmicks that I might use once to show off to a friend, then never touch again. The things the EV6 does well, however, impact every single drive, whether to the corner store across the country.
I just checked by curiosity and the cheapest kia ev6 goes for almost 77k while the cheapest model y goes for 60k. So for 17k difference is definitely not an apples for apples comparison.
@@MarceloAlcantaraXThis was two years ago, when the Y was first released, before Tesla massively cut their prices. At the time, the prices were within a couple thousand.
Would have liked to see GT Line version vs Model Y
Tesla has a whole heap of very clever shortcuts built into the steering wheel buttons and stalks. The need to use the screen while driving is fairly rare once you learn it. Very, very good system. Also, as it’s software based, gets updated regularly.
@@ethranton exactly. They literally have no idea what so ever and these are the reviewers we are supposed to trust. They dont even mention voice commands which work really well
@ethranton Yet the automatic wipers don't work and there are no rear wind screen wipers. Oh, and no one talks about how bad the voice activation is. I'd take Android Auto over Tesla's software any day.
Give me a Kia over the MAGA Y any day. Personally, I'd go for the new EV6 though.
MAGA Y, good one mate
I cannot understand why people say that Tesla's regenerative braking cannot be altered. It has an infinitely variable adjustment via the driver's foot. Lift a bit...gentle regen, lift further...strong regen. That is so much better than flappy paddles that break your fingernails. Very disappointing that Kia is not fitting a heat pump to the EV5, but I suppose that is where the cost cutting bites. Otherwise, a great car that I would seriously consider as an alternative to the nanny state safety systems that slow down or slam on the brakes as fitted to the Tesla. Swings and roundabouts...
I'd rather a heat pump than standard massage seats 😂.
All EVs nowadays have regen breaking you technically adjust through how much you press the accel peddle. When they say adjustable regen breaking they mean actual presets that change even how much coming off the accel regens at the same level of accel or lack thereof.
but you can do both with Kia, either one pedal driving or different regen braking levels.
@@baskervil92 Its a different philosophy. Tesla is saying regenerative braking is an extremely useful component of an EV and maximises the value of braking to what is the biggest cost component of an EV, the battery. As a company that only makes EVs and has never made ICE vehicles, they were not bound by the idea of giving their customers more of the same, but in an EV. All of the ICE manufacturers that provide variable regen to their customers are saying the customer knows best and we will give them what they like as opposed to what is best for them. I have driven a Tesla Model 3 and it took all of 2 minutes to get used to the high regen and love it. One pedal driving was so cool and so easy. I have had the Prius and Prius C and while both have elements of regen, it is nothing compared to the experience in a Tesla. Is it any wonder that Tesla oweners are going years without having to change brake pads.
No mention of towing capacity. Model y 1600kg, Ev5 1250kg.
@stephennieuwnhoven6345 The EV6 can tow up to 1800kg though.
@ but it’s not the ev 5 price.
Although being an old man myself; this was an 'old man's review' on the Tesla. Not mentioning the shortcuts to all kinds of commands via the steering wheel buttons. Not mentioning voice control, etc. How do you operate your iPhone and iPad? Sorry for being a bit harsh maybe. For the rest a great test.
Spot on. I made a similar comment myself. Tesla is about future generations who are all experts with software and screens and swiping. Of course a reviewer in his 50's will find it harder to get used to, when all of our lives we have been used to what's in current ICE vehicles. I can control an iphone and ipad, so look forward to buying a Tesla and taking on the centre screen.
I agree. In either car what do you need to touch on the screen while driving? Air conditioning can be adjusted by voice control.
Cross traffic alert has been added to Tesla MY via over the air update.
Personally I would not buy KIA due to many issues I had with their petrol versions. And they are always updating their cars.
You mentioned that Tesla will be upgrading the Model Y in the near future with the Juniper model. But you forgot to mention that KIA will also bring two upgrades to the EV5 in the near future!
The EV5 Earth model in Nov-Dec and the EV5 GT-Line in Jan-Feb in Australia. These new KIA models will improve on some aspects you were critical of: more powerful motor, and more technologies in the car system. So if you are ready to wait for Model Y Juniper, you should also keep an eye on KIA EV5 Earth and GT-Line. Because in my opinion, the comparison might end up in KIA's favour.
I have a Kia Seltos GT-Line. It is their standard terminology for an up-specced model. In the seltos it gets you a different engine and gearbox ans well as AWD. It is the same as most manufacturers. VW has base, GTi and R. Different spec, different features and basically they are up-selling.
Tesla does the same thing but with a base model, dual motor long range and then performance. The difference however is there is not too much difference inside and features, it is simply extra electric motor and larger battery pack. It will be interesting to see how much extra you get in the GT-Line.
The one thing that I found missing from this story is the details of the battery. Just giving you size and charging is not sufficient information. Battery chemistry is important. I believe the Model Y base model gets the LFP batteries which are less dense than the NMC in the other 2 models, but LFP batteries are far more stable and can operate from 0-100% as opposed to 20-80% recommended for the NMC. They also have a larger number of recharges. Finally they don't require Cobalt and all of the controversy that comes with it.
This video needs to be re-edited. The trunk space in an SUV is an important feature for buyers. Tesla use a different formula to measure trunk space. It is nonsense and a disservice to viewers to publish side by side figures where the methodology is so different. Using the common standard volumetric measurement, no way is the Model Y trunk space 854 litres! Try 540 litres......so approx just 5% larger than the EV5 513ltres.
This German motoring organisation conduct their own measurements, the link and a Google translated extract are below. If that isn't enough evidence, a secondary form of measurement is the "banana box" test, conducted by prolific EV UA-camr tester Bjorn Nyland.
His test of the Xpeng G6 (a similar size to model Y) documents :
Model Y: 9 boxes in trunk, 26 boxes with rear seats down
Xpeng G6: 9 in trunk, 27 with seats down.
The published data by Xpeng for the G6 is 571litres in trunk and 1374 litres with seats down. Teslas figures of 854 can't possibly be derived from same methodology, it clearly does not have a 50% larger trunk than the G6 or the EV5! assets.adac.de/image/upload/Autodatenbank/Autotest/at6259-tesla-model-y-maximum-range-awd/tesla-model-y-maximum-range-awd.pdf
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"The Model Y offers a large and easy to use trunk. The standard volume is 420 l. You use it If you raise the storage space up to the roof, the volume expands to 540 l. Alternatively, you can store up to eleven in the trunk Store beverage crates. You fold down the back seat and is limited to the storage space up to the Lower edge of window (recommended for safety reasons), can be stowed up to 850 l. Taking advantage of the The entire space behind the front seats is up to 1,380 l Volume available. There is also another 105 liters of storage space underneath Loading floor and around 80 liters in the trunk under the front hood"
Annual insurance quotes cost more than a year of petrol when I did the exercise recently. What’s the point ?
Was around 1300 with Allianz
Would love to see your numbers. @stuartwilko has Tesla insured for $1,300 with Allianz. So what do you pay for your insurance and how many kilometres do you do each year, then lets do the math. We will subtract the difference between the $1,300 for the Tesla and your insurance. Based on fuel of around $1.80, and assuming your car is getting roughly 7l/100km, we can work out how long the difference would actually be.
But to be really fair, we should then also look at the rate at which you pay for your electricity and use that number times the distance you travel to get a good picture of what a Tesla would cost you versus an ICE car, assuming you live in a house and can charge at home.
Finally, what is the cost of maintenance and servicing on your car each year?
If we get that information and run the numbers, only then will you be in a position to adequately judge whether an EV is for you or not.
You obviously don't drive far
Biggest problem with buying a Tesla, it makes Elon Musk richer. That has to be avoided if you are a human with a conscience.
I was under the impression the slide-out box is a built-in cooler to keep the drinks cold.
It is on the higher spec models, but not on entry level as tested.
Model Y is due for the refresh the Model 3 got. Once it gets that, it will be a clear winner for the price. New Model 3 refinements are a major upgrade over the previous 3/Current Y.
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Best of both worlds, my company is giving ev5, my wife is driving a Tesla Model Y
I keep watching these videos in the hope that I will find a decent and affordable Tesla alternative…
So after the warranty goes for the battery, how much for a new one?
Less than the cost of rebuilding an ice engine, but battery will last the life of the vehicle. Battery tech has come a long way since the anti-ev crowd started spouting this fallacy
@tazpartridge1612 so how much?
It's difficult to tell. The reason is you are trying to estimate what the cost of a battery pack will be in say 2032. If you buy the Tesla with an 8 year, 160,000km warranty, and we are at the end of 2024, your warranty expires end of 2032, lets say early in 2033.
So how much for a battery in 2033 is the question you are asking.
Well, here is some interesting information. the price per kWhr of battery in 2013 was $806. In 2024, it is estimated to be down to $115. The Chinese apparently are making them at $94 per kWhr. If these numbers are correct, the manufacturing price for the 60kWhr Tesla battery is 115x60 = $6,900. Add 50% for profit and putting it into a pack, makes it roughly $10,350.
All you can do is assume. Lets assume the price continues to fall as it has, you may get down to $50/kWhr. So the the manufacturing price for the 60kWhr Tesla battery is 50x60 = $3,000. Add 50% for profit and putting it into a pack, makes it roughly $4,500 in 2023.
Finally, and this is the bit most people fail to grasp, once a battery is either dead or simply at a level too low to use for a car, it still has value. An LFP battery is over 90% recyclable. That assumes it is dead. So you get the recycling value. If it is not dead, but at 80% strength, it is still valuable to use as energy storage. A Tesla powerwall today gives you 13.6kWhr for $13,000 installed. Therea re many people looking for crashed EVs just to get at the battery pack. A 60kWhr Model Y battery is almost 4.5X the size of a Tesla powerwall.
So your question is very difficult to answer, but as stated by @tazpartridge1612, likely less thasn the cost of rebuilding an ICE engine. And that is assuming the battery dies just after warranty. Some believe the Tesla LFP batteries are good for 500,000km. So the car will likely be dead before the battery.
How could anyone answer that; I will just get out my crystal ball and lookup the prices in 8 years time.
@GDM22 what about now?
The model Y looks to have more luggage space but that is only for small items.
The KIA ev5 has a similar shape to the Toyota rav & kluger…
Also what’s with the weird centre console bit, I want a storage console that items can’t be seen, not something that looks like a bench seat from the 1960’s..
You need to understand the Tesla voice commands. Most key functions required when driving can be done just by talking to it. The others are accessible from the buttons you mention. Even the glove box you mention - “open glovebox”.
I don't have to understand beacuse I dont want to speak with a car, especially when there are many other persons in the car.
My point is not that I talk to the car but can operate most functions without taking my eyes off the road. The video seemed to indicate that the centre screen was a safety hazard but you can actually perform more actions than a normal ICE vehicle where for example you need to turn air recirculation on, I just press the right hand button and say “recirculate on”.
Whilst I can do this I still much prefer to talk to my passengers.
@@jline3701 then get one of them to open the glovebox, most probably the passenger, best person as they are located next to the glovebox. This is not a difficult concept. My 5 year old worked it out. Want me to get him to assist you?
@@zoransarin5411 I never need the glovebox, but there many other functions to handle with the display.
It's much easier to handle them with buttons. With buttons you need nobody to assist.
At speed 130km/hour Model Y LR got nearly 100km more range ( more streamlined car body )
Was ready to sell my Y and buy an EV5... then realised it just isn't as good. Why Kia - it's a new EV and you could have done better
I guess you are talking about Tesla now considered a Legacy EV company to Kia a new comer to the EV segment. Results are not surprising. The new Model Y Juniper is slated for a 2025 release which will only improve this vehicle no doubt.
The lack of Elon in the Kia is reason enough to choose the Kia.
you think he hand builds each car? I find it interesting that people would potentially avoid buying what is the safest car ever tested in both Europe and the US, and therefore risk the lives of their family, because they do or don't like Elon.
AGREED!
If you go 1 badge higher for ev5, it will be 230kw power and 500km range. You can't compare only with the price. Both cars are different.
The next model up for the Tesla is the dual motor with bigger batteries. You can't go one model up on one and not the other. Bit unfair sport
"it hasn't had a bona fide challenger"... Yes it did, and does! The Ioniq 5 ! ! !
The EV5 isn't in the same league, as it has a much smaller trunk.
The Ioniq 5 totally competes against the Y.
Personally id get a Kia over the Tesla because it feels like a complete car.
Had high hopes for the Kia, love the design, but no 800v... simply go for the Hyundai IQ5 then
New Teslas expected to come with more range bcz of new model juniper and latest battery tech from CATL
Can’t believe 4 Year old Tesla is still ahead in many ways…
Onvo L60 (brand of Nio) that's the best.
I still don't know why we pretend that Tesla makes any SUV's. The Model Y is a tall crossover.
A motoring journalist who has never heard of Tesla's autopilot or the Tesla supercharger network?
what is it your "drilling" in everyday on the touch screen ? i barely use the touch screen if only for music, and yes the tesla have 360 analyzer, it came with a software update, as well as matrix LED
They are not nearly the same car, base model vs base model the EV5 has... No sentry mode, only a rear camera, no wireless phone charging, hard plastics all throughout the car., no sunroof, no passenger reading lights, no automatic tailgate, smaller door bins and frunk, less storage, no phone key, no rear parcel shelf or privacy glass for rear windows, no heated steering wheel, no heat pump the front passenger seat is manual, no auto up/down windows for rear, no driver profiles you can save, no heater for second row seats, 50 fewer kw of power, 140mm shorter, 47mm narrower, 6.6kw max AC charging (vs 11kw) estimated 120kw max DC charge (vs 170kw), 55km less range, 25% less efficient, no camp mode, no dog mode, no cabin climate protect, no scheduled preconditioning, no supercharger trip scheduling, no AI charge destination optimisation, no matrix headlights, no PIN to drive, no PIN to set speed limit and drive mode (for young drivers), no Arcade, no auto vent mode.
Unkown: walk away locks (although unlikely without a phone key).
100% man… Tesla still wayyy ahead of the competition.
Excellent point. In one of the BestInTesla episodes, Lars showed the exact same thing with either an Audi or BMW EV being compared to the Tesla. The Audi/BMW was already a higher price, but when they added the options on to bring it to the same spec as the Tesla, they had to add almost $16,000 Euros to the price. It is an element most reviewers miss. Tesla doesn't do the up-speccing with high price options that all traditional automakers do to you.
Test drove a RWD Model Y and a EV5 long range today, the model Y is twice the car in all areas except for physical buttons in the EV5, Tesla got my money and the Y was considerably cheaper .
The Tesla Juniper upgrade will destroy the EV5
Doesnt need a juniper. It is destroyed by this one already
@@Lav-v9c Exactly - the EV5 is super underwhelming even with the model Y being dared.
Id buy an ev5 if it wasnt for the ethical reasons
Yeah you can’t really just drop a bombshell like that without context, boss. Care to add some clarity at all?
@@tysonfinn1470 nobody cares about your reasons. You probably couldnt afford any of them anyway
you mean Musk the autocratic Trump fan boy-yeah i get it!!!
TRUMP IS MY PRESIDENT!!
Great review. Nothing can beat a Tesla. They are generations ahead of all other EV’s. They deserve their success. I’ll be buying the Model Y Juniper.
how many times are reviewers going to quote Tesla's BS cargo space figures in comparisons like this? Can't you see it's clearly not 50+% larger? lol
2:33 just look at this and think why tesla have more range? Guess what on ev efficiency matters Kia is garbage EV and I own ice kia. Great ice car rubbish ev switching to a Tesla next year hopefully.
I got the same Quicksilver RWD MY. It's the best vehicle I've operated. To those having issues with Elon, dare I point out all the 'ethical' Chinese made products they are using daily.
Political issues aside, I don't see why a household with more than 2 cars cannot have an EV. We've already done 7k km in under 4 months and it's dirt cheap to run, using our solar panels and free local libary/shopping center/council charging ports.
The Kia EV5 in base spec is a Kona EV competitor and Atto 3 competitor but with a bigger boot and less performance. The Sealion 7 will be an actual Model Y competitor.
FWD only competes with FWD.
When they get to AWD status they can compete with other AWD.
Stop calling the Y an SUV. It’s a V and maybe an S, but it is not a U.
Tesla interior looks like garbage when compared to Kia!
Ev5 👍👍👍
Tesla model y 👎👎👎
Kia EV cant even out sell mercedes-benz EV in australia, why are you comparing it with tesla lmao
Legacy brands lost me with their lack of updates and support after you buy the car. Infotainment and ecu updates are non existent once the car is manufactured. They claim if you want new features, buy a new model.
Igboring the idiot ceo, Tesla's keep updating infotainment os and vehicle specs through constant updates, even old models. This is a massive advantage if you enjoy the latest features.
In indonesia 187.000 dollar aus😢
How rich my country are?😂
same price while being outdone in pretty much every metrics. The EV5 seems DOA
Model Y is all good for me. I like hard suspension to give confident to quick direction change. It's a good car.
Wait for Juniper....it will be a major step up, more than the improvements from M3 to Highland which was significant. You buy tech as much as the car itself and nothing comes close to Tesla
Model y that's y 😂
Model Y is ugly and then there's Musk.
Model Yawn makes me go to sleep
@@ciybersal3499 lucky for you a Tesla can drive itself. You could yawn, then sleep and the car would get you safely home. No other car in the world has the equivalent capability.
@@zoransarin5411yeah, well that’s a total load of BS. Elon like to tell you it can do that the raise the share price, but it can not.
Musk is too
@@TechMyLifeVideo Go watch some videos of FSD version 13.2. You are the one bulshitting. The only company in the US currently running autonomous car is Waymo, owned by Google. The Google head of Waymo was recently interviewed and stated Tesla was the leader in autonomous cars. You clearly don't have a clue. Check out the share price of Tesla today and compare it to early January 2024. Any answer as to why a "car company" which will sell less cars in 2024 than it did in 2023 is now valued at more than double what it was at the start of the year? I'll give you a clue. Wall Street and many institutional investors are finally realising the value of autonomous cars and just how far ahead Tesla is on anyone. For someone with Tech in your moniker, I'm surprised that you are not remotely aware of the tech progress being made by Tesla in the autonomous space.
Complete waste of money....
Sounds like the Kia got Kia reliability from the get go
The ev5 for me
Kia are killing it with there electric cars and hyundai
Sick of tesla cars
the kia's good looking. the teslas ugly
Tesla can't be considered by rational purchasers of people/things moving. in every ways its unlivable to operate. sooner or later the compromises n cutting of purposes n cheapness like a 90s era excel just becomes irritating.
not to mention the unnecesary need to reinvent everything you interact with for difference rather than being better.
they do feel fast [n rough] n uses less 'feul', but having had very fast cars n ones that use bit more gas or vice versa, it never a genuine concern after a week or a selling point.
cant say yet, I haven't driven yet, but Kia generally drive fine n as a useful non intrusive real car im sure better than the model yuk that I do know is all hype n marketing of flawed design that becomes an intrusion your family car shouldn't be.
Craig. Little inconvenient fact. The Model Y was the best selling car in the world of any type in 2023. It otsold the Toyota Corolla and RAV4. That is no mean feat for a car almost 50% more in cost. You calling 1.22 million people in 2023 alone irrational?
@@zoransarin5411 Yeah agreed, it is just a rediculous comment.
I think Kia have screwed up here. It should be 800V, not 400. There's no load cover in the rear, the plastics are shocking lower down, the DC charging rate is poor, the range is disappointing and the passenger seat side extension is just weird.
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KIA is ugly to me
Stroinge Ounglish! Whaoit Stoite is thois?😂😂😂
The Kia is so mediocre…
Firstly, it's pronounced TeSla not TeZla. Why not wait till the new model Y ( Juniper) is released to do a true comparison?
Thanks for the comment. Pronunciation is in the ear of the beholder, isn't it? While one person will say aluminium, the other will say aluminum. Castle is a good one: One person might say might say cass-ell, the other might say car-sell.
As for the Model Y Juniper, we're not sure when it's arriving in Australia. Could be more than 12 months away. Hope that helps!
Isn't it pronounced _Tossla_ ?
@@Sulu-d4rThe Tossla MAGA Y 😂
Tesla is like CAN. Nothing inside