was thinking the same thing! that video lost me when they said "game is actually bad, guys. you don't want this actually" as an actual reason not to port/remaster MGS4
@koivids_ yeah... it's interesting too that it came from jaguarking himself... the dude literally would speedrun MGS4 constantly for WRs or PBs. My guess is that he played it to death to the point where the flaws he sees outweigh what's actually good about the game. But that's just my guess 🤷 I could be completely wrong. Regardless... we need MGS4 on modern hardware, he shouldn't be gatekeeping it by saying it's not a good game.
@@PerfectStealthThe question is whether or not Konami still have the game files and tool on hand. Alot of studios delete their legacy tools and data after enough time which makes native ports ridiculously more difficult and expensive. In that situation, the studio A. Must remake the game in anew engine with new tools, B. Must brute-force redevelop the tools and skills necessary to edit the game, or C. Reverse engineer the game the same way the emulation community does. Of all the options I expect they will remake MGS4 in the distant future cus remakes are the most expensive so option A is off the table. Between B and C its hard to tell. Konami are lazy as we have seen with the master collection vol.1. Its cheaper for them to use previous ports and emulations of past titles than it is to remake or reinvest in the necessary tools. So I think option C is far more likely, we will likely get a tweaked emulation of MGS4 on modern hardware.
my ps3 got the yellow light of death, so i never got the chance to play mgs4 :( update: my ps3 is not dead yet. i'll probably get it cleaned out just to be on the safe side, but i can play mgs4 on here now
I think it's actually good news that we haven't seen anything about Volume 2 yet. They're actively working to fix up Volume 1 first, rather than rushing the next batch out. That is a very good way to prove good will to the fans.
Between the patches and the impending release of Delta it's really for the best we haven't heard anything official yet, give Volume 1 and Delta time to breathe. Once Delta is out they can announce Volume 2.
@@JCSA79V Yeah that's probably for the best. were talking about a remake of one of the best games of all time. volume 2 would not sell well if it released around delta.
even if MC2 was in development they would not tell us as its stupid business sense and takes away from MGS3 delta marketing. Just hope delta drops, people buy it, they drop and people buy vol2 so they get the idea people want MGS so they want to keep making it. Re-making PW to have a fully decent online would boost the games popularity massively and from that they could just continue remaking the games in chronological order. Though MGSV doesn't need a remake, just needs kojima back to finish it!
Yeah from the interviews, it seemed like he really did wanna port it to Xbox One and PS4 but he was too busy working on MGSV, which ultimately became his final project
Some of my favorite videos you upload are the longer, more dialogue focused ones like this. Wouldn't be a bad idea jumping into lore videos for MGS as a whole in the future
It's definitely worth playing over just watching a playthrough to be honest. There isn't a TON of gameplay but the gameplay that's there is some of the very best in the entire series imho.
glad i have a PS3 PS4 PS5 & PS VITA. game feels so good playing on a PS3 no joke but a PS5 remake would be great too. online custom servers still works for MGS4 & other games like killzone 2 only on PS3 is even more ftw. i swear who ever doesn't have the console are all messing out so much it's such a BEAST & a completely different environment to play on. u can even use your PS4 & PS5 controllers on the console is omfg amazing trust me. was the last Sony console made by Ken Kutaragi
I would argue that both are peak MGS gameplay, but they are the peak of two styles that were developed in parallel, as MGS4 is the end point of all the Snake games to MG to MGS3, and 5 is the ultimate MGS: Peace Walker like or not
I would still wait to see if the port will run well without bugs or glitches before buying it, especially since Volume 1 had quite a few issues (about which they publicly went out and apologized).
@spyrochrisgaming definitely agree. As much as I love metal gear I still haven't bought vol.1 and I'm probably going to wait until they've finished working on fixes.
@@happyjam92 Same I have not bought vol 1 either. No need, I still own a PS3 because MGS4 is locked on it and I also have the HD collection on PS3. So no need to rebuy games I already own. if they released MGS4 and it works perfectly on PS4/5 I can get rid of my PS3 and then would buy them digitally (on sale)
MGS4 and PeaceWalker, two amazing products that deserve to be proposed in the modern era with a reasonable yet focused amount of polishing and improvements.
Biggest issue will be the product placement, such as the ipod, the magazines, the codec of Otacon talking about PS3, the weapon names since games nowadays just change them so they don't have to pay manufacturers. Would still love to see the MGS4 experience fully realized on PC and next gen consoles.
MGS4 is the new “please bring Zelda: Wind Waker to Nintendo Switch!” where the game everyone hated is now suddenly loved and demanded by everyone else all these years later lmao
Its the one mgs game i never got to play. The fact we've gone two console generations without MGS4 being on eirger one is a crime. As I've played virtually all the mgs games, this one looks to be the best one
If Konami is serious about the mission of preserving the Metal Gear Saga and making it playable for newer generations, then it doesnt matter how difficult the task might be. MGS4 must be ported forward or remade. It is the end of the metal gear story. Its too important to leave out.
What would also be appreciated is definitely more gameplay, considering the cutscene to gameplay ratio (imagine the infinity mission mode in MGS4 from MG Portable Ops Plus, also Side Ops from MGSV too)
never thought id be rooting for konami’s metal gear, but a lot of the developers are long time metal gear developers and have a good idea of what the future of the franchise looks like. on top of that, kojima himself was wanting to move on from metal gear long before 4 ever released. as much as we all want kojima at the helm, all the current developers seem very keen on revitalizing the franchise and are very much open to constructive feedback. this is a very different konami than 10 years ago
I still harbor a lot of hurt and hard feelings regarding Konami and their negligence of IPs dear to me such as Castlevania, Silent Hill, MGS, and Boktai. But, I think that I and others feel this way is precisely why we give them the chance with Delta and hopefully an MGS4 port or even remaster/remake. I do have one request of Konami ontop of MGS4 on PC, I want a full restored Peace Walker. I miss missions with random MGS fans, us doing stupid crap and at other times bitterly fighting the bosses of the game with camaraderie and moxie. Bring the fanbase back together, it's due time we all have our common ground. My fave MGS is 4, mechanically it's an amazing culmination of the series expansion on the stealth action genre. Story-wise, a beautiful masterpiece of the same kind of insano-verse realism we find endearingly characteristic of the series.
I'm in a constant state of either getting rcps3 or wait for this, and if I wait, it needs to be a legitimate remaster. 4k/60 fps. Load times cut in half, higher textures, more content options, etc.
One thing you forgot to mention is that Metal Gear Solid 4's engine and assets have already been ported to PC once before in the form of Metal Gear Arcade, which I think is pretty important in dispelling the "MGS4 cannot be ported to modern platforms" conjecture.
The only issues I could foresee is the specific dialogue & footage regarding the Playstation 3 and the Ipod , the latter will need to be altered in the game files to be a generic mp3 player and the former Will need to be cut out/ around entirely
The only reason this may be more difficult than wiht peace walker is because , this isn't a game that's being actively made and thus decisions like that can be actively done while all the team thst can do it is available , this is going into now 20 year old hardware(as they got the first dev kits out and into devs hands in 2004) and changing what were once top of the line modeling work into soemthing similarly top of the line for the ps3 without over correction
@@ballinn0430 Sony would have Nintendo and Microsoft pay a good hefty sum to say "Playstation 3 " on them , Apple has basically pretended the Ipod doesn't exist now unless it's to say "now we've integrated that into the (new product)"
In the technical portion of this video you superficially explore many different aspects of the problem of PS3 architecture, designing and writing games specifically for it. Further running PS3 games on other platforms from porting to emulation. It's super important to not conflate any of these things together as they are not interchangeable nor can these techniques be 'combined'. The interesting part of Cell processor are the SPU-units which operate in a similar manner that modern GPUs do, but are not quite anything like them. The main processor on the CELL was a regular PowerPC cores. Xbox360 had 3 of these. The SPU's on the CELL however were incredibly specialized and incredibly fast and required highly specialized bespoke code to execute on them. They are the sole reason why cell is difficult to emulate in with adequate performance in real time and why porting crafted PS3 code to other platforms is usually a difficult and expensive task. You essentially have to re-engineer all the code using SPUs (or code that relies on such code) in ways that accomplish the same thing using contemporary hardware in a performant and scales to different cpu/gpu combinations on the PC or other consoles. Modern computers can do a lot more impressive things that PS3 ever could, but because the SPUs are so exotic, code designed for them isn't easily portable. The PS3 emulator on the other hand, tries to emulate the PS3 hardware and is a uses several (often game specific) hacks and approximations underneath to improve the performance of execution of a specific application like MGS4. It doesn't automatically mean you can take that and ship the PS3 version of the game to run on "any" hardware configuration at a required and consistent performance to actually sell a mass-market product. Trying to create an emulator for this shipping a PS3 copy of MGS4 on modern consoles is a fools errand, it won't happen, ever. There's no option of rebuilding some parts of the game and emulating the rest either. That's not going to work. My professional opinion as someone who's been working in software for over 20 years is that if this game will ever ship on modern systems it will likely be a remake where the game is completely re-engineered from the ground up to run on x86-64 architectures using UE5 in a similar fashion Snake Eater is being done. Whatever the path chosen it will be expensive. If MGS4 is ever going to see the light of day in contemporary hardware there needs to be some kind of an inclination it will sell well enough to justify the work. Snake Eater remake will be a benchmark of that for sure. However there's nothing that says MGS4 coming to modern consoles is an "inevitability". My bet would solely be in the unlikely territory unless there's enough evidence it's financially viable.
Im so excited to see them support MGS again. My all time favorite series. Looking forward to playing MGS4 upscaled and looking beautiful. Also side note i didnt see Portable Ops on the list sadly. I hope they consider porting that one also like how they included the metal Gear 2 that was non canon. Portable ops deserves to get played!
Well researched and well presented! Easily digestiable too, going over all the different variables preventing a port. From my understanding too about the cell processor, not only was it difficult to develop for, as you said, each game utilised it differently. Which is why Sony hasn't been able to make a catch all solution to access our favourite PS3 games. Making all the more impressive communities have PS3 emulation at all. Seeing how Konami will likely have to be very hands on remastering the game due to this, I imagine they will implement some of the potential copyright stuff if it becomes a problem. These seem like rather minor changes when you consider the potential technical scope to prevent a few trademarks stopping a port of a game that will sell well. Especially if Delta is good. Keep it up, Stealth
I just got the Big Boss emblem last year, so I’m not looking forward to getting it again. BUT, I have full faith MGS4 is on the way and will finally be appreciated by the mass audience it’s always deserved.
When MGS4 launched I hated it, nothing clicked with me, I played it one time and did not touch it for minimum 6 years, despite being a gigantic MGS fanboi. Then for no particular reason I played it again for the second time and got completely hooked in it. Maybe I wasnt ready for it.
I’m nervous, very nervous, that games like Portable Ops are going to get excluded. Sure, Revenegance is pretty widely available, but what about ACID 1 and 2? Ghost Babel? Stuff that can be lost to time for never fans like myself.
If Konami ever rediscovers their desire for money, Metal Gear Solid Master Collection Vol. 2 will have MGS4. I would say Vol. 2 should be MGS 4 and Peace Walker, so all modern consoles can play every main Metal Gear game... Vol 3. Could be all the spin-offs like Portable Ops, Acid, Ghost Babel and there IS a Metal Gear Solid Mobile...
Honestly, they should totally do it. They have given us the infamous NES games, so there really should be no reason besides more development effort to not give us all of these.
I’m a die hard MGS fan. I would be devastated if we don’t get Guns Of The Patriots! I genuinely shed a tear playing it and seeing a series I’ve loved since childhood come to what i thought was the end of metal gear. 😢
Super well researched, absolutely stellar and clean editing, little to no misinformation, No repeating of already well known opinions that even i am honestly sick of saying again and again, respecting and believing in the developers when they make attempts to respect the fan's and lastly.... ***CITING SOURCES??*** I love you so much bro ❤❤
I'm a long time fan of the series but due to various reasons I never owned a PS3 and was unable to play MGS 4. Playing the Master Collection Vol.1 on PC was a blessing and playing MGS4 the same way would be a like a dream coming true. I hope that one day it can happen.
I recently undusted my ps3 (no, literally, opened it for the first time since 2009, and gave it the full refreshment treatment, brand new paste and all) and the first thing I did was take my mgs4 disc and put that puppy in, got chicken emblem and the big boss emblem, now I'm just 8 more emblems and 2 trophies away from the platinum and if a remake of this happen I will so buy it again, love it. Edit: while opening it, I found out that it is the backwards compatible version, nice way to find out 15 years later 🤣
@@nopenoperson9118 This past month I've learned so much about ps3s, between maintenance, version, which are bad, which are good, what to do, than any of the past 15 years 😂 so good, I'm trying to keep it alive as much as possible since now I know backwards compatible ps3s are precious.
MGS4 was my first experience with the series and it absolutely blew my mind. I played it on my cousin's PS3 and, up until that moment, I hadn't had a chance to fully play through a "next gen" game (I mean next gen at the time) and it felt almost alien due to its technology, features storytelling, gameplay, etc. After that I went on to play the whole MGS franchise starting from MGS1 and became a huge fan of it, but MGS4 still remains as the only title that I haven't had the chance to replay simply for not happening to find a working PS3, and a working copy of the game. Oh boy, what I would give just to play through it just one more time.
I’m optimistic. In the Master Collection, the timeline goes to 2014 and it’s grayed out iirc. So I think we’ll get 4, we just need to be a bit more patient
I still remember the tv channels and commercials that would play when starting a new game. I really hope they keep that if they do put it in the second collection. It did such a great job of showing the type of place the world was in MGS4, IMO.
Mgs4 was my first metal gear solid game. I remember the great time I had going through multiple play throughs for the challenges. I’m also a huge fan of the cutscenes and story although some people are not. I would love to see this game on my Xbox.
You forgot one more thing that's in the Licensed content, and that's Altaïr's outfit from Assassin's Creed for Snake, the players obtains it after beating the game and there's even a leap of faith easter egg in MGS Peace Walker in Mission 16 where you can use a hay bale as a box
there's actually an Assassin title when completing the game on certain conditions; that's how you actually get the Altaïr outfit besides the password, not by just completing the game
@@hatchhyjack But in order to get the Assassin title you have to complete the game (titles are only awarded once you finish all chapters). I just forgot to say you had to get a specific title while doing it. 😅
Well for the Ezio Collection in PS4, it’s still possible to obtain Raiden’s suit in AC Brotherhood, so I don’t see any inconvenient from Konami to do the same
This is one of the games that impacted me most at that time I remember I considered it like the equivalent of a Chris Nolan film in the medium of gaming
Not all weapons are like that. The M4 for example can be used by anyone so long as it doesn't directly copy a particular brands model such as Colt for example. They can make slight changes and still call an M4 without getting any trouble for doing so
You are right this is my favorite Metal Gear Solid game ever released, and ever since the release of the ps4, ive been dying for a remaster, a remake or even just a port. This game is literal childhood for me, i’ve played it so many times and if I remember correctly it’s the first game I ever finished. Lets hope Konami sees reason and brings this game back with a remake (and it better be a good one). Thank you for acknowledging this game❤.
The Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection Volume 1 included 7 games, which consists of canon and non-canon games. My ideal Master Collection Volume 2 would include: Metal Gear Solid 4, Peacewalker, Portable Ops, Rising: Revengeance, The Twin Snakes, Ac!d and Ac!d 2. Metal Gear Solid V is still available on most modern consoles, so as long as they don't add anything new, like the unfinished cutscenes, I don't see the need for a re-release. As for the next Remake, they should definitely do Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2
It probably won’t happen anytime soon (if ever), but I'm hoping Konami will port or remaster Snatcher and Policenauts for modern consoles and PC via Steam, with new English dubs for both games. BTW If they did that, would that officially make them part of the Metal Gear universe?
Im playing throug emulation and its amazing, the control, the camo system, the graphics, the details, its an incredible game, and i hope they could give it a realease
Well I'm glad Fortnite released Old Snake to remind everybody how cool MGS4 was and should've had a sequel if they didn't go so hard in ending Solid Snake's Story.
There's one other issue you forgot to mention in regards to MGS4 getting rereleased on other platforms. You kind of touched on it a bit. But you didn't go all the way. You see, MGS4 was made for the PS3 hardware in mind. But it remains a PS3 exclusive title giving how it has all the trademarks of Sony's product placements. The Screaming Mantis part in particular has Psycho Mantis coming back to read your PlayStation memory card only to find out it's a hard disk. The part in Mission 4 where you're heading down to the underground base in Shadow Moses, Otacon tells Snake to swap the disk not realizing their on Blu Ray disk now. In fact in the master collection, if you get to that area where you head to the Blast Furnace, It automatically switches for you because it's running on emulation. So if they were to rerelease MGS4 on other platforms, would they rerecord lines like Saying We're on Xbox or PC, maybe Switch. But either way, it'd be bad for Konami to release something like that on other Platforms without Sony's consent considering all Sony's product placement. The only way I could see it working is if they did a MGS4 remake. Not remaster. A honest to God remake built from scratch scraping all those elements, and I don't know. Maybe Have Capcom with their RE Engine revamp the perimeters of MGS4 and make it work. It'd still be on PlayStation. But it's also on other platforms with new assets and a new coat of paint. I think that'd be the better option.
Games like MGS4 is why I still have my OG 60GB release model. It’s got an emotion engine chip in it too, so no emulation needed for PS2 & PS1 games either.
This game WILL bring Metal Gear all the way back into mainstream popularity in tandem with Rising. Yakuza 0 and Yakuza: Like a Dragon are a similar case, as well as the Resident Evil 2 and 4 Remakes
Maybe if Master collection Volume 2 happens, they should use the 360 version for it. They may not even use that PS3 joke that Otacon and Old Snake were mentioning.
A real way to win back real fans would be to bring back and keep MGO on this version of the game. That way the SaveMGO team can finally rest and we can have a more accessible version of MGS4s multiplayer component. Also imagine if they added crossplay.
i'm currently trying to convince my friends to borrow me their ps3, i'm new to the series and i can't wait to experience this game. let's hope the master collection volume 2 comes out with this and peace walker.
For me, MGS4 that convince me to get a ps3 as i was hooked onto the franchise through the MGS essentials collection. Sinking at least 100 hours into the game
There’s so many games locked to the PS3 that deserves to shine on the new consoles, I wish MGS 4 and the Infamous games to get a remaster or remake for new consoles
It’s worth noting that there’s an important difference between running mgs4 and having a full port. Emulation today does run the game but with arguably significant bugs
I owned a PS3 but I don’t have the game, I’d figured to play it on RPCS3 and I’m having fun. They went beyond the lore to go over the past games. If they were to remake it or remastered, I would make longer fighting areas and tone down the cutscenes.
Did Konami ever address/maybe 'prove' why they shifted back to actual video games? Why are the people who made the pachinko-decision in different positions now? Like, did they lose out on money from pachinko machines due to the pandemic, and were like, "well, even though the upfront investment is higher, the longer term would be better" or something? I'm just surprised they didn't shift to like, online gambling or something instead (especially when they didn't upscale the MGS Master Collection to HD Collection levels in the first place, etc)
I live in hope that the changes at Konami and the remasters & remake of MGS might, just might, bring Kojima back into the fold and give us MGS 6. Also, Guns of the Patriots is my favourite in the franchise and I played it to death. I hope it comes to next gen!
First game that I ever got an HD tv for. Kinda miss that old Samsung 1080p LCD 😂 seriously tho, imagine those graphics finally in HD for the first time. Mind blowing.
The closest I came to playing mgs4 was the ps4 when they first launched the streaming service. That was one of the selling points to buy it if people recall. But trying to stream that game at that time was a struggle. During its hay day I did want the ps3 but at the time I did prefer Xbox 360 more and that’s what I bought.
If the game ran on the 360 internally that tells me they already have a port for x86, they wouldn’t need to emulate mgs4 in a port but just build on the 360 port they had already worked on internally. A native x86 version of the game would be much more ideal than an emulated port both because it could allow for greater graphical enhancements but also because it would help remove that cel processor emulation barrier of preserving mgs4.
I love your channel, bro. As a fellow MGS freak this is one of my favorite places to nerd out. I’d love to see you and Jake Baldino have a discussion one day. Love and blessings to you. 50k by December. ⚡️🫡
If they do release VOL.2 after DELTA, ESPECIALLY on Switch, I WILL buy it in a heartbeat, if it has MGS4, so I would technically play all of the Mainline games finally (I don't have a Laptop good enough to emulate MGS4) so I have to wait for the VOL.2 (or 3) to come out.
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Metal gear Solid V is my favorite. The gameplay is perfect. It’s a shame that it’s an incomplete game.
I have a feeling we’re going to get Metal Gear Solid Delta: Guns of the Patriots. They should just remake the entire game it would probably be easier than porting that thing to other consoles.
I hope your right. My journey started with 4 and I've not had access to it for far too long. I was just debating whether I might resort to emulation. I read it didn't run great so I've put it off so far.
Im waiting for them to do some kind of surprise reveal when MGS delta releases for the vol.2. Imagine if they also released MGO2 aswell that would be insane. But if not we still have a community from saveMGO still doing it
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The parallels between this and “The impossibility of MGS4 on modern consoles” is not lost on me, congrats for your positivity.
was thinking the same thing! that video lost me when they said "game is actually bad, guys. you don't want this actually" as an actual reason not to port/remaster MGS4
@koivids_ yeah... it's interesting too that it came from jaguarking himself... the dude literally would speedrun MGS4 constantly for WRs or PBs. My guess is that he played it to death to the point where the flaws he sees outweigh what's actually good about the game. But that's just my guess 🤷 I could be completely wrong. Regardless... we need MGS4 on modern hardware, he shouldn't be gatekeeping it by saying it's not a good game.
There are now links about MGS4 being modernizedddd
It has to be done, it’s far too unfortunate for this absolute banger to be locked to the ps3.
No reason for it not to be playable alongside the rest of the games. It’ll be challenging to get it off PS3, for sure, but not impossible.
@@PerfectStealthThe question is whether or not Konami still have the game files and tool on hand. Alot of studios delete their legacy tools and data after enough time which makes native ports ridiculously more difficult and expensive. In that situation, the studio A. Must remake the game in anew engine with new tools, B. Must brute-force redevelop the tools and skills necessary to edit the game, or C. Reverse engineer the game the same way the emulation community does.
Of all the options I expect they will remake MGS4 in the distant future cus remakes are the most expensive so option A is off the table. Between B and C its hard to tell. Konami are lazy as we have seen with the master collection vol.1. Its cheaper for them to use previous ports and emulations of past titles than it is to remake or reinvest in the necessary tools. So I think option C is far more likely, we will likely get a tweaked emulation of MGS4 on modern hardware.
my ps3 got the yellow light of death, so i never got the chance to play mgs4 :(
update: my ps3 is not dead yet. i'll probably get it cleaned out just to be on the safe side, but i can play mgs4 on here now
@maxkoob get a jb one, enjoy everything you've never got a chance to try.
@@DigiTallLuv elaborate? (i'm interested)
edit: ok i understand :)
“Huh? Oh, wait! We're on Playstation 3! It's a Blu-Ray Disc. Dual-layered, too. No need to swap.”
"Huh? Oh, wait! We're on Nintendo Switch! It's a game card! A full collection too. No need to swap."
@@lpfan4491on a side note it would run worse on Switch
"Huh ? Oh, wait! We're on Xbox Series S! It's an all digital console. There's no disc to swap."
@@lpfan4491Right......
@@lpfan4491 Which game had that quote? That's funny.
I think it's actually good news that we haven't seen anything about Volume 2 yet. They're actively working to fix up Volume 1 first, rather than rushing the next batch out. That is a very good way to prove good will to the fans.
Between the patches and the impending release of Delta it's really for the best we haven't heard anything official yet, give Volume 1 and Delta time to breathe. Once Delta is out they can announce Volume 2.
@@JCSA79V Yeah that's probably for the best. were talking about a remake of one of the best games of all time. volume 2 would not sell well if it released around delta.
You got too much faith in Konami doing the right thing.
@@286mic We've got nowhere to go but up.
even if MC2 was in development they would not tell us as its stupid business sense and takes away from MGS3 delta marketing.
Just hope delta drops, people buy it, they drop and people buy vol2 so they get the idea people want MGS so they want to keep making it.
Re-making PW to have a fully decent online would boost the games popularity massively and from that they could just continue remaking the games in chronological order.
Though MGSV doesn't need a remake, just needs kojima back to finish it!
I guarantee if things between kojima and konami didn't fall apart there would have been a PS4 remaster of MGS4 for its 10 year anniversary in 2018
Fuck bro you might be right
Better late than never
Yeah from the interviews, it seemed like he really did wanna port it to Xbox One and PS4 but he was too busy working on MGSV, which ultimately became his final project
Some of my favorite videos you upload are the longer, more dialogue focused ones like this.
Wouldn't be a bad idea jumping into lore videos for MGS as a whole in the future
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I need it. I wanna play the final chapter in Solid Snake's story so far. Also the gameplay I have seen is pretty awesome.
It's definitely worth playing over just watching a playthrough to be honest. There isn't a TON of gameplay but the gameplay that's there is some of the very best in the entire series imho.
I feel ya, MGS4 is the only game in the solid series I've never played
If you've played the rest of them and you're a fan, MGS4 is the one with the most quality fan service among them all. You're in for a treat!!!
Yeah same but I don’t wanna spend 300€ just for a ps3 and mgs4
glad i have a PS3 PS4 PS5 & PS VITA. game feels so good playing on a PS3 no joke but a PS5 remake would be great too. online custom servers still works for MGS4 & other games like killzone 2 only on PS3 is even more ftw. i swear who ever doesn't have the console are all messing out so much it's such a BEAST & a completely different environment to play on. u can even use your PS4 & PS5 controllers on the console is omfg amazing trust me. was the last Sony console made by Ken Kutaragi
Unpopular opinion but I like MGS 4 gameplay more than MGSV. It’s like the natural evolution of the metal gear gameplay. Glad MGS delta is following it
I would argue that both are peak MGS gameplay, but they are the peak of two styles that were developed in parallel, as MGS4 is the end point of all the Snake games to MG to MGS3, and 5 is the ultimate MGS: Peace Walker like or not
Mgs5 was no mgs..
what gameplay??
I find it rather shallow and pedantic.
There’s like 4 hours of actual gameplay in mgs4 lol. Unironically the cutscenes lasted longer than the actual gameplay sections in the story mode.
Thanks Perfect Stealth, because of you I discovered MGO2 again,best multiplayer game EVER. I used to play loads back in the day, good to be back ❤
Im glad you’re having fun! 🫡
MGS4 is quite possibly THE most important abandonware to stop staying in abandonware status right now.
well you get a ps3 AND mgs4 for less then a modern AAA title . And it’s HDMI. So just plug and play.
@@Ratselmeister Temporary availability of functioning out-of-production hardware is not a solution to game preservation.
@@Ratselmeisterthat is absolutely untrue wtf hahahahaha
@@ryanmoore7283 50 Bugs for the Console. 5 for the game.
@@Ratselmeister never in my life seen a working ps3 for less than $100
If they release MGS4 on PC it'll be an immediate pre-order for me, 🙂
It's a game every gamer should get to enjoy. I hope it runs on all systems.
I would still wait to see if the port will run well without bugs or glitches before buying it, especially since Volume 1 had quite a few issues (about which they publicly went out and apologized).
@spyrochrisgaming definitely agree. As much as I love metal gear I still haven't bought vol.1 and I'm probably going to wait until they've finished working on fixes.
@@happyjam92 Same I have not bought vol 1 either.
No need, I still own a PS3 because MGS4 is locked on it and I also have the HD collection on PS3. So no need to rebuy games I already own.
if they released MGS4 and it works perfectly on PS4/5 I can get rid of my PS3 and then would buy them digitally (on sale)
MGS4 and PeaceWalker, two amazing products that deserve to be proposed in the modern era with a reasonable yet focused amount of polishing and improvements.
Biggest issue will be the product placement, such as the ipod, the magazines, the codec of Otacon talking about PS3, the weapon names since games nowadays just change them so they don't have to pay manufacturers. Would still love to see the MGS4 experience fully realized on PC and next gen consoles.
Just rename them and replace them ez.
Great video! Please keep these up as you’re my number 1 source for anything Metal Gear related.
if they replaced the iPod for a Zune HD in a future PC version it would be freaking hilarious
MGS4 is the new “please bring Zelda: Wind Waker to Nintendo Switch!” where the game everyone hated is now suddenly loved and demanded by everyone else all these years later lmao
Its different because whether you love it or hate it, MGS4 is the ending of the whole MGS saga. Its a critical entry in the series.
In fairness to Wind Waker, the Hd version re-released on Wii-U is a far superior version that as many people as possible should play.
I never thought it was hated, was it? It nearly got perfect review scores at the time.
I always loved wind waker.
MGS4 not so much but its a weak game in the franchise.
except MGS4 is crucial in understanding the whole metal gear franchise and its locked up behind an outdated console
Its the one mgs game i never got to play. The fact we've gone two console generations without MGS4 being on eirger one is a crime. As I've played virtually all the mgs games, this one looks to be the best one
Get a ps3 and play it then ps3s are cheap
If Konami is serious about the mission of preserving the Metal Gear Saga and making it playable for newer generations, then it doesnt matter how difficult the task might be. MGS4 must be ported forward or remade. It is the end of the metal gear story. Its too important to leave out.
What would also be appreciated is definitely more gameplay, considering the cutscene to gameplay ratio (imagine the infinity mission mode in MGS4 from MG Portable Ops Plus, also Side Ops from MGSV too)
never thought id be rooting for konami’s metal gear, but a lot of the developers are long time metal gear developers and have a good idea of what the future of the franchise looks like. on top of that, kojima himself was wanting to move on from metal gear long before 4 ever released. as much as we all want kojima at the helm, all the current developers seem very keen on revitalizing the franchise and are very much open to constructive feedback. this is a very different konami than 10 years ago
I still harbor a lot of hurt and hard feelings regarding Konami and their negligence of IPs dear to me such as Castlevania, Silent Hill, MGS, and Boktai.
But, I think that I and others feel this way is precisely why we give them the chance with Delta and hopefully an MGS4 port or even remaster/remake.
I do have one request of Konami ontop of MGS4 on PC, I want a full restored Peace Walker. I miss missions with random MGS fans, us doing stupid crap and at other times bitterly fighting the bosses of the game with camaraderie and moxie. Bring the fanbase back together, it's due time we all have our common ground.
My fave MGS is 4, mechanically it's an amazing culmination of the series expansion on the stealth action genre. Story-wise, a beautiful masterpiece of the same kind of insano-verse realism we find endearingly characteristic of the series.
I'm in a constant state of either getting rcps3 or wait for this, and if I wait, it needs to be a legitimate remaster. 4k/60 fps. Load times cut in half, higher textures, more content options, etc.
One thing you forgot to mention is that Metal Gear Solid 4's engine and assets have already been ported to PC once before in the form of Metal Gear Arcade, which I think is pretty important in dispelling the "MGS4 cannot be ported to modern platforms" conjecture.
this was very well done thank you for being so informative.
I feel like this was a direct response to Jaguar Kings video.
The only issues I could foresee is the specific dialogue & footage regarding the Playstation 3 and the Ipod , the latter will need to be altered in the game files to be a generic mp3 player and the former Will need to be cut out/ around entirely
The only reason this may be more difficult than wiht peace walker is because , this isn't a game that's being actively made and thus decisions like that can be actively done while all the team thst can do it is available , this is going into now 20 year old hardware(as they got the first dev kits out and into devs hands in 2004) and changing what were once top of the line modeling work into soemthing similarly top of the line for the ps3 without over correction
True. Although I think if worst comes to worst they would just rerecord those lines like they're doing in Delta for the changes to controls.
They should keep the iPod for the charm.
Unless Apple and Sony are willing to give the licenses.
@@ballinn0430 Sony would have Nintendo and Microsoft pay a good hefty sum to say "Playstation 3 " on them , Apple has basically pretended the Ipod doesn't exist now unless it's to say "now we've integrated that into the (new product)"
In the technical portion of this video you superficially explore many different aspects of the problem of PS3 architecture, designing and writing games specifically for it. Further running PS3 games on other platforms from porting to emulation. It's super important to not conflate any of these things together as they are not interchangeable nor can these techniques be 'combined'.
The interesting part of Cell processor are the SPU-units which operate in a similar manner that modern GPUs do, but are not quite anything like them. The main processor on the CELL was a regular PowerPC cores. Xbox360 had 3 of these. The SPU's on the CELL however were incredibly specialized and incredibly fast and required highly specialized bespoke code to execute on them. They are the sole reason why cell is difficult to emulate in with adequate performance in real time and why porting crafted PS3 code to other platforms is usually a difficult and expensive task. You essentially have to re-engineer all the code using SPUs (or code that relies on such code) in ways that accomplish the same thing using contemporary hardware in a performant and scales to different cpu/gpu combinations on the PC or other consoles. Modern computers can do a lot more impressive things that PS3 ever could, but because the SPUs are so exotic, code designed for them isn't easily portable.
The PS3 emulator on the other hand, tries to emulate the PS3 hardware and is a uses several (often game specific) hacks and approximations underneath to improve the performance of execution of a specific application like MGS4. It doesn't automatically mean you can take that and ship the PS3 version of the game to run on "any" hardware configuration at a required and consistent performance to actually sell a mass-market product. Trying to create an emulator for this shipping a PS3 copy of MGS4 on modern consoles is a fools errand, it won't happen, ever. There's no option of rebuilding some parts of the game and emulating the rest either. That's not going to work.
My professional opinion as someone who's been working in software for over 20 years is that if this game will ever ship on modern systems it will likely be a remake where the game is completely re-engineered from the ground up to run on x86-64 architectures using UE5 in a similar fashion Snake Eater is being done. Whatever the path chosen it will be expensive.
If MGS4 is ever going to see the light of day in contemporary hardware there needs to be some kind of an inclination it will sell well enough to justify the work. Snake Eater remake will be a benchmark of that for sure. However there's nothing that says MGS4 coming to modern consoles is an "inevitability". My bet would solely be in the unlikely territory unless there's enough evidence it's financially viable.
Im so excited to see them support MGS again. My all time favorite series. Looking forward to playing MGS4 upscaled and looking beautiful. Also side note i didnt see Portable Ops on the list sadly. I hope they consider porting that one also like how they included the metal Gear 2 that was non canon. Portable ops deserves to get played!
Well researched and well presented! Easily digestiable too, going over all the different variables preventing a port.
From my understanding too about the cell processor, not only was it difficult to develop for, as you said, each game utilised it differently. Which is why Sony hasn't been able to make a catch all solution to access our favourite PS3 games. Making all the more impressive communities have PS3 emulation at all.
Seeing how Konami will likely have to be very hands on remastering the game due to this, I imagine they will implement some of the potential copyright stuff if it becomes a problem. These seem like rather minor changes when you consider the potential technical scope to prevent a few trademarks stopping a port of a game that will sell well. Especially if Delta is good.
Keep it up, Stealth
I just got the Big Boss emblem last year, so I’m not looking forward to getting it again. BUT, I have full faith MGS4 is on the way and will finally be appreciated by the mass audience it’s always deserved.
When MGS4 launched I hated it, nothing clicked with me, I played it one time and did not touch it for minimum 6 years, despite being a gigantic MGS fanboi.
Then for no particular reason I played it again for the second time and got completely hooked in it.
Maybe I wasnt ready for it.
I’m nervous, very nervous, that games like Portable Ops are going to get excluded. Sure, Revenegance is pretty widely available, but what about ACID 1 and 2? Ghost Babel? Stuff that can be lost to time for never fans like myself.
Great video man, saying what we’ve all been thinking for years.
If Konami ever rediscovers their desire for money, Metal Gear Solid Master Collection Vol. 2 will have MGS4.
I would say Vol. 2 should be MGS 4 and Peace Walker, so all modern consoles can play every main Metal Gear game...
Vol 3. Could be all the spin-offs like Portable Ops, Acid, Ghost Babel and there IS a Metal Gear Solid Mobile...
Honestly, they should totally do it. They have given us the infamous NES games, so there really should be no reason besides more development effort to not give us all of these.
They're making too much money in pachinko and f2p games to bother with some trivial revenue from MGS4.
@@Portuducks Exactly, its going behind the money and just the money what got them here lol
I’m a die hard MGS fan. I would be devastated if we don’t get Guns Of The Patriots! I genuinely shed a tear playing it and seeing a series I’ve loved since childhood come to what i thought was the end of metal gear. 😢
Someone didn't like Jaguar King's video 😏
Oh hi Nitroid. 🫡 I’m simply attempting to show another perspective. That’s all.
Super well researched, absolutely stellar and clean editing, little to no misinformation, No repeating of already well known opinions that even i am honestly sick of saying again and again, respecting and believing in the developers when they make attempts to respect the fan's and lastly.... ***CITING SOURCES??***
I love you so much bro ❤❤
I'm a long time fan of the series but due to various reasons I never owned a PS3 and was unable to play MGS 4. Playing the Master Collection Vol.1 on PC was a blessing and playing MGS4 the same way would be a like a dream coming true. I hope that one day it can happen.
Can just get a ps3
@@dwaynejpeterkin I'll do that if they announce Vol.2 without mgs4 in it
Please bring back metal gear online! Even if not i would love to play this again with a slight update without needing to dust off my ps3
I recently undusted my ps3 (no, literally, opened it for the first time since 2009, and gave it the full refreshment treatment, brand new paste and all) and the first thing I did was take my mgs4 disc and put that puppy in, got chicken emblem and the big boss emblem, now I'm just 8 more emblems and 2 trophies away from the platinum and if a remake of this happen I will so buy it again, love it.
Edit: while opening it, I found out that it is the backwards compatible version, nice way to find out 15 years later 🤣
You just unearthed an artifact, man. OG Fat PS3s are top.
@@nopenoperson9118 This past month I've learned so much about ps3s, between maintenance, version, which are bad, which are good, what to do, than any of the past 15 years 😂 so good, I'm trying to keep it alive as much as possible since now I know backwards compatible ps3s are precious.
MGS4 was my first experience with the series and it absolutely blew my mind. I played it on my cousin's PS3 and, up until that moment, I hadn't had a chance to fully play through a "next gen" game (I mean next gen at the time) and it felt almost alien due to its technology, features storytelling, gameplay, etc.
After that I went on to play the whole MGS franchise starting from MGS1 and became a huge fan of it, but MGS4 still remains as the only title that I haven't had the chance to replay simply for not happening to find a working PS3, and a working copy of the game. Oh boy, what I would give just to play through it just one more time.
I’m optimistic. In the Master Collection, the timeline goes to 2014 and it’s grayed out iirc.
So I think we’ll get 4, we just need to be a bit more patient
releasing mgs3 in ps5 will just make it as unavailable as it is now when ps7 is around
I still remember the tv channels and commercials that would play when starting a new game. I really hope they keep that if they do put it in the second collection. It did such a great job of showing the type of place the world was in MGS4, IMO.
The early 2000s they had water levels. 2005-2011 brown sandy levels
This video has so many good points it really needs more views then it has atm to spread awareness
This was one of my favorite games ever when it released. I don't know if it holds up over all this time, but I'd love to play it again on PC
Mgs4 was my first metal gear solid game. I remember the great time I had going through multiple play throughs for the challenges. I’m also a huge fan of the cutscenes and story although some people are not. I would love to see this game on my Xbox.
You forgot one more thing that's in the Licensed content, and that's Altaïr's outfit from Assassin's Creed for Snake, the players obtains it after beating the game and there's even a leap of faith easter egg in MGS Peace Walker in Mission 16 where you can use a hay bale as a box
Well, the Altiar outfit, like most of the NG+ weapons and stuff can be unlocked with a code from the start.
there's actually an Assassin title when completing the game on certain conditions; that's how you actually get the Altaïr outfit besides the password, not by just completing the game
@@hatchhyjack But in order to get the Assassin title you have to complete the game (titles are only awarded once you finish all chapters). I just forgot to say you had to get a specific title while doing it. 😅
Well for the Ezio Collection in PS4, it’s still possible to obtain Raiden’s suit in AC Brotherhood, so I don’t see any inconvenient from Konami to do the same
@@rc_hpr just looked that up, i NEVER knew about the Raiden suit in Brotherhood. i've known and played that game since its release
Just give us Vol 2 already. I need that game before my inner-gamer self passes.
This is one of the games that impacted me most at that time I remember I considered it like the equivalent of a Chris Nolan film in the medium of gaming
Not all weapons are like that. The M4 for example can be used by anyone so long as it doesn't directly copy a particular brands model such as Colt for example. They can make slight changes and still call an M4 without getting any trouble for doing so
You are right this is my favorite Metal Gear Solid game ever released, and ever since the release of the ps4, ive been dying for a remaster, a remake or even just a port. This game is literal childhood for me, i’ve played it so many times and if I remember correctly it’s the first game I ever finished. Lets hope Konami sees reason and brings this game back with a remake (and it better be a good one). Thank you for acknowledging this game❤.
The Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection Volume 1 included 7 games, which consists of canon and non-canon games.
My ideal Master Collection Volume 2 would include:
Metal Gear Solid 4, Peacewalker, Portable Ops, Rising: Revengeance, The Twin Snakes, Ac!d and Ac!d 2.
Metal Gear Solid V is still available on most modern consoles, so as long as they don't add anything new, like the unfinished cutscenes, I don't see the need for a re-release.
As for the next Remake, they should definitely do Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2
This game was so sick. Special place in memory as one I couldn’t put down.
It probably won’t happen anytime soon (if ever), but I'm hoping Konami will port or remaster Snatcher and Policenauts for modern consoles and PC via Steam, with new English dubs for both games. BTW If they did that, would that officially make them part of the Metal Gear universe?
Never say never!
Oh, and they could also include SD Snatcher
I hope Portable Ops will be also included in Vol. 2. It is a very important story piece between MGS3 and Peace Walker.
It’s gotta be in master collection vol 2 right?
Yup
And the raiden game too i hope
I really hope so,Even if it releases broken they'll fix it later but I just want it
As someone with it Platinumed on my other account & still own the ps3 game/console. I am for BC but MGS4 i want done even better for PS5 itself.
Recently played thru all of them and 4 is top 5 games I ever played
Ironically I just started replaying it yesterday and now this vid pops up on my feed
Im playing throug emulation and its amazing, the control, the camo system, the graphics, the details, its an incredible game, and i hope they could give it a realease
Well I'm glad Fortnite released Old Snake to remind everybody how cool MGS4 was and should've had a sequel if they didn't go so hard in ending Solid Snake's Story.
There's one other issue you forgot to mention in regards to MGS4 getting rereleased on other platforms. You kind of touched on it a bit. But you didn't go all the way. You see, MGS4 was made for the PS3 hardware in mind. But it remains a PS3 exclusive title giving how it has all the trademarks of Sony's product placements. The Screaming Mantis part in particular has Psycho Mantis coming back to read your PlayStation memory card only to find out it's a hard disk. The part in Mission 4 where you're heading down to the underground base in Shadow Moses, Otacon tells Snake to swap the disk not realizing their on Blu Ray disk now. In fact in the master collection, if you get to that area where you head to the Blast Furnace, It automatically switches for you because it's running on emulation. So if they were to rerelease MGS4 on other platforms, would they rerecord lines like Saying We're on Xbox or PC, maybe Switch. But either way, it'd be bad for Konami to release something like that on other Platforms without Sony's consent considering all Sony's product placement. The only way I could see it working is if they did a MGS4 remake. Not remaster. A honest to God remake built from scratch scraping all those elements, and I don't know. Maybe Have Capcom with their RE Engine revamp the perimeters of MGS4 and make it work. It'd still be on PlayStation. But it's also on other platforms with new assets and a new coat of paint. I think that'd be the better option.
Games like MGS4 is why I still have my OG 60GB release model. It’s got an emotion engine chip in it too, so no emulation needed for PS2 & PS1 games either.
This game WILL bring Metal Gear all the way back into mainstream popularity in tandem with Rising. Yakuza 0 and Yakuza: Like a Dragon are a similar case, as well as the Resident Evil 2 and 4 Remakes
Yeah. Needs to have an unlocked framerate. Can’t wait to play this again when it’s properly updated
Oh but the framerate IS unlocked, there are like 2 places in the entire fame where you can reach 60fps, the ps3 was just struggling that much.
@@thechugg4372 I’m talking beyond 60. Atleast 120
Kojima was able to get it to run on the 360, but the thing is Kojima ain't there no more
Maybe if Master collection Volume 2 happens, they should use the 360 version for it. They may not even use that PS3 joke that Otacon and Old Snake were mentioning.
A real way to win back real fans would be to bring back and keep MGO on this version of the game. That way the SaveMGO team can finally rest and we can have a more accessible version of MGS4s multiplayer component. Also imagine if they added crossplay.
I couldn't imagine hating this game. It is without a doubt, my favorite MGS title. It sucls that it is only now being CONSIDERED for a modern port.
Yes I fully agree with you... give us a MGS4 remake or remaster😢 it's my favorite metal gear game
i'm currently trying to convince my friends to borrow me their ps3, i'm new to the series and i can't wait to experience this game. let's hope the master collection volume 2 comes out with this and peace walker.
It’s not just my favourite of the series, it’s the best game I’ve ever played.
Incredible from start to finish.
Make it happen Konami.
For me, MGS4 that convince me to get a ps3 as i was hooked onto the franchise through the MGS essentials collection. Sinking at least 100 hours into the game
There’s so many games locked to the PS3 that deserves to shine on the new consoles, I wish MGS 4 and the Infamous games to get a remaster or remake for new consoles
Please come true…and please bring back the multiplayer! I never got to play it and I want to so bad
MGS4 should definitely make it to Volume 2 next of the Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection since it's always a possibility for that to happen next.
It’s worth noting that there’s an important difference between running mgs4 and having a full port. Emulation today does run the game but with arguably significant bugs
i still have a ps3 and this is the only game i have with it. its one of the best MGS i swear.
It would be insane to play this with 60 frames this game is more impressive than most games this generation
I owned a PS3 but I don’t have the game, I’d figured to play it on RPCS3 and I’m having fun. They went beyond the lore to go over the past games. If they were to remake it or remastered, I would make longer fighting areas and tone down the cutscenes.
Did Konami ever address/maybe 'prove' why they shifted back to actual video games? Why are the people who made the pachinko-decision in different positions now?
Like, did they lose out on money from pachinko machines due to the pandemic, and were like, "well, even though the upfront investment is higher, the longer term would be better" or something? I'm just surprised they didn't shift to like, online gambling or something instead (especially when they didn't upscale the MGS Master Collection to HD Collection levels in the first place, etc)
looking forward to finally be able to play the damn game since i never got a PS3...
I live in hope that the changes at Konami and the remasters & remake of MGS might, just might, bring Kojima back into the fold and give us MGS 6. Also, Guns of the Patriots is my favourite in the franchise and I played it to death. I hope it comes to next gen!
First game that I ever got an HD tv for. Kinda miss that old Samsung 1080p LCD 😂 seriously tho, imagine those graphics finally in HD for the first time. Mind blowing.
The closest I came to playing mgs4 was the ps4 when they first launched the streaming service. That was one of the selling points to buy it if people recall. But trying to stream that game at that time was a struggle. During its hay day I did want the ps3 but at the time I did prefer Xbox 360 more and that’s what I bought.
A game like MGS4 needs to be on the PS5. Imagine it being online capable again.
Please we need Metal Gear Online 3. MGS4 had Metal Gear Online 2 and it was amazing. MGO2 was released as a stand alone game in Japan.
Mgs4 is my favorite MGS game. This shit is gonna be huge at 60fps on Switch
If the game ran on the 360 internally that tells me they already have a port for x86, they wouldn’t need to emulate mgs4 in a port but just build on the 360 port they had already worked on internally. A native x86 version of the game would be much more ideal than an emulated port both because it could allow for greater graphical enhancements but also because it would help remove that cel processor emulation barrier of preserving mgs4.
I love your channel, bro. As a fellow MGS freak this is one of my favorite places to nerd out. I’d love to see you and Jake Baldino have a discussion one day.
Love and blessings to you.
50k by December.
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I hope it has the Substance feel with new features and modes
Like adding cut content in it?
This is the only game I haven’t played in the mainline series I want it ported so bad
If they do release VOL.2 after DELTA, ESPECIALLY on Switch, I WILL buy it in a heartbeat, if it has MGS4, so I would technically play all of the Mainline games finally (I don't have a Laptop good enough to emulate MGS4) so I have to wait for the VOL.2 (or 3) to come out.
Metal gear Solid V is my favorite. The gameplay is perfect. It’s a shame that it’s an incomplete game.
I have a feeling we’re going to get Metal Gear Solid Delta: Guns of the Patriots.
They should just remake the entire game it would probably be easier than porting that thing to other consoles.
We seriously need modern console ports or remasters of MGS 4 and MGR Revengeance
I hope your right. My journey started with 4 and I've not had access to it for far too long. I was just debating whether I might resort to emulation. I read it didn't run great so I've put it off so far.
What we really need is a remaster of slinter cell double agent
Can you imagine what it would be like if they announced an MGS4 remaster like Delta?
god it just hit me that mgs4 has been stuck in the PS3 realm for 15 years
Im waiting for them to do some kind of surprise reveal when MGS delta releases for the vol.2. Imagine if they also released MGO2 aswell that would be insane. But if not we still have a community from saveMGO still doing it