MOST HATED BANDS: CREED, BLINK-182 & TAYLOR SWIFT (Vol 7)
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The most hated bands vol 7: Creed, Blink-182 and Taylor Swift! I talk about:
* Creed singer Scott Stapp's issues with mental health, starting the post-grunge sound, their Christian lyrics (eg "Higher")
* Blink-182 as the end of "real punk" in the mainstream (vs Green Day, Rancid and The Offspring)
* Why Tom Delonge, Mark Hoppus and Travis Barker were so marketable
* Taylor Swift's turn from loved to hated, her and Kanye West at the 2009 VMAs and her lyrics
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Hey Finn, you've mentioned 100 gecs in the past, are you a fan?
Finn, can you do a video about the crust punk/neo crust scene and how even though really underground, it was took by the pop mainstream and use as an aesthetic fashion ( lady gaga, Kanye West, lil Wayne, David Beckham,etc) and how it was received in both spheres.
Also in a similar way, how traditional skinhead ( Uk 69 ) was used by pop artistes ( Kanye West, Beyoncé in her "Flawless" video, and many more artist that are casually wearing the Dr Martens boots and bomber jacket as it was an invention of 2010) fashions.( with maybe a little crash course about skinhead and how "Nazi" Should not be the first thing that comes to mind when earing that name.
thx
Spread some positivity brother most loved bands
Finn your the man so genuine I love that you speak about not letting religion get in the way of what could potentially be music that you like
Do a video about how success has ruined some bands
Me at 16: These bands suck!
Me at 35: Well it's nice to see these hard-working musicians have found a career for themselves, even if I don't care for it.
yeah, maturity is nice.
Kind of passive aggressive my guy, if I’m being straight up w/ you
@@mitchellhuffman1411 it may have sounded like sarcasm, but I genuinely feel that way now. I can dig most music, or at least appreciate the work that goes into producing it. I'm so over the idea that an artist isn't valuable or hardworking just because their music is accessible or soft.
Agreed! When I was younger the artists who "ran out of ideas" or "are copying everyone else" was a go-to insult... And here I am as a grown ass woman trying to come up with something and failing miserably!
Once you try something you can appreciate the effort people put in across any profession!
Total props to the sell-outs and "over-exposed" artists 🤟🤟
I will not front I was at 16 that exact stereotype piece of crap a**hole and it wasn't until coming across Soulfly/Sepultura front man Max Cavalera interview with him wearing a Death t shirt with camo pants on his house in Phoenix AZ that I really changed as far as being open to new things and he really said something that resonates with till this day at 28 y/o "just because you listen to metal you don't have to be an asshole" and it is something I still hold close to my heart and will always believe for the rest of my life.
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If you hate Blink-182, stop lying to yourself.
I'll never like Blink-182, but I consider them musical geniuses compared to the gutter trash that is Taylor Swift
@ Pop punk is for nancy boys.
@@fanofgodjimindiva2497 taylor swift is extremely talented as far as singing and showmanship goes
@@CallumSk8er Well I admit her singing is decent, she's certainly better than the likes of Katy Perry..can't talk about her performances because I can't stand listening to her more than 20 seconds..so ofc Im not gonna watch a live video or mv.. Her music is just THAT godawful
@ yeah, I don't like sugarcoated punk or edgy pop or whatever this thing is..I can listen to pop, or listen to punk, but I dislike this lukewarm thing. Same reason I've never liked pop rock in general (things like imagine dragons, coldplay etc). Take a side ffs, only the mediocre stays in the middle
Taylor is definitely getting a lot more respect nowadays which is great. I know this because my father who is usually a metalhead absolutely loves her now.
Well, I like Blink 182.
😂😂🙌🏻
Right? Who the hell hates Blink?
Me too. Fucking love them.
@@analogsignal punk elitist
I love em too
Hot take: Travis joining Blink was the saving grace that prevented them from falling into obscurity with most of their peers of that era. Maybe that could be an interesting video - universally recognized rock stars that aren't front men or necessarily in the spotlight.
It definitely helped
On a fun note. Travis was drumming for The Aquabats and left either before or during a tour to join Blink. Aquabats fans still hate Travis because of it. lol
I don't think that is a 'hot take', haha, I think it's just accurate.
@@invaderjae I'm trying to picture Travis in a blue spandex suit. haha.
@@devenscience8894 He's on one of the covers of the albums holding a drum and in the Superrad video I think. Look it up lol
I think it could be interesting to do Good Charlotte and or Simple Plan for most hated bands, I remember them being hugely popular and the biggest punching bags when I was first getting into punk and unlike other pop punk bands of the era they haven't really been given classic status in hindsight.
GC was absolutely despised as "fake punks." I remember people being outraged when GC was even mentioned in relation to the Rock Against Bush thing Fat Mike put together...
good charlotte's first album was the anthem to my high school life (not their second album with Anthem on it ;)
Good Charlotte was absolutely one of the worst bands of all time and still is. They aped everything and contributed absolutely nothing, it was like a room full of 50 year old record execs put them together to cash in.
Good Charlotte got such shit that in the sleeve of the young and the hopeless (which was a damn good album) Ben (i think) went on a tangent about how he used to fight anybody who said he wasn't punk but he doesn't care anymore haha
Good Charlotte at least put a few decent tracks together in their time. Simple Plan just sucked ass all the time
Finn you've really helped me to keep an open mind with music and pop culture, and have helped me to ditch a lot of the toxic gatekeeping habits I picked up growing up in the scene. It feels good to look at things a little more positively and objectively rather than being filled with hate just because something is popular. So for that I gotta say thank you.
I feel like Blink have never given a shit about what anybody thought of them. They just do what they want to do, and how they want to do it, and are very successful at it. They probably don't care they've never been approved by the punk gatekeepers. Like you said, they weren't really part of that scene.
I've never been into the real juvenile dick and fart jokes they always did, but I've always really loved their songs and still love playing them on my bass. Even though they're quite easy they're still a hell of a lot of fun to play. Songs like ''what's my age again'', ''all the small things'', ''stay together for the kids'' etc.
Blink182 with tom is different to with matt tho. So to me saying blink182 overall is a vague statement.
Chris Cote their former drum tech made that band Kut U Up and the ensuing doc on a dare of sorts by Mark Hoppus because he would tell Blink that they needed to play real music, even those close to them would give them shit
Everyone cares what people think about them, some people are good at hiding that but everyone cares. Also they were a part of the punk scene as they played punk. It may have been more easier on the ears than some punk bands and they may have been played on MTV more than any other punk band but they were punk. Songs like Joise and stay together for the kids are most certainly punk rock songs.
@@MrStephen182 Dude, from the demos to debut album Cheshire Cat, they invested their own money, DIY as fuck. Printing their cassettes artwork and stuff. Their indie label boss didn't want to sign them to record an album, he wanted a 7inch and even created a sub division apart from the main label exclusively for them cause he considered a joke. He bet that their debut album would sell only 3,000 copies - and it outsold that. The album sold well, and a following in Australia way before being widely known in the US. But yeah, "they never were punk"
@@MrStephen182 Yes they are punk. No denying that. What I meant more was that they probably didn't hang out with the ''real'' punks that gatekeep the punk community. They just do their own thing with their own friends and don't care to belong to and follow all the strict DIY rules of the ''real'' punk scene.
Tom DeLonge was one of those popular kids in high school that would actually shock you when you found out what kind of music he listened to.
Depends where you went to school? I'm guessing he didn't listen to punk rock
Like blink or not, Tom DeLonge and Mark Hoppus inspired an immeasurable amount of misfit, punk rock loving, skateboarding adolescents (myself included) to pick up the guitar/bass.
growing up in the early 2000s discovering blink got me to the point i'm at now listening to hardcore and powerviolence stuff. i think that's a beautiful thing.
I love Blink and T-Swift, her "Red" album was fantastic, I bought it at the same time with Thy Art Is Murder's "Hate". Cashier gave me an odd look. Good video, dude. Keep it comin
If that cashier actually knows who Thy Art is then hopefully they're open minded enough to not judge you like that lol
Remember when Taylor Swift fans were battling against Tool fans on whose new album would get the most streams. Wild
And I'd much rather hang out with Taylor fans.
A-Dash Of-Pepper agreed as a casual tool fan
@@a-dashof-pepper4710 less chance on hanging out with greasy balding hardrockers with washed out bandshirts that tell you about the deeper meaning of the exact length of a tool song.
I didn't know about that but the sad thing is if I did I would have participated
@@benmcnamara5572 i had a coworker who was hyped for TS so i messed with them pretending to be an elitist claiming "ToOl iS rEaL mUsIc. wE hAvE 10 mInUtE sOnGs."
Maroon 5 is bound to make it into one of these videos one day.
You're not kidding lol.
tbh I feel like they do deserve the hate considering their constant trendhopping and the fact that they call themselves a "band' when it's really just Adam Levine and a synth
Yea dude, cant stand em but to each to their own 🤷🏽♂️
@@unoriginal_name7091 true, it's funny that the other guys are awkwardly standing on stage though. 😂
I'm surprised they haven't been in a "Most Hated Bands" video already.
Taylor was a child when she signed that contract, she had no idea what her career would do and what owning her masters meant. Most adults don’t know what to do when given such an opportunity. Like what kid goes to music law school❓She was never given the true opportunity to own her work. She was told by Scott Borchetta that if she wanted to buy her masters she could earn them back one at a time for every new album that she created for him. Thus signing a new contract being enslaved to him for six more albums. She would have to have created 12 albums for him at minimum. He knew that would be unattainable and unfair. Her father did know the night it was sold but in contract he was not allowed to tell her. Scott would have had a massive lawsuit against him. Taylor would have been sad but ok with her masters being sold but the problem came in with who Scott sold them to. He sold them to Scooter Braun the man who is responsible for the artists who have shamelessly harassed Taylor throughout her career. Kanye nastily put a naked wax figure of her in his bed next to him and Kim. We all know what he did during her 2009 performance when he stormed the stage, then the infamous phone call that took place between him and Taylor that Kim illegally recorded then edited to make her look like a conniving snake. The public literally almost destroyed Taylor because of the bullying she received. With that being said now she works tirelessly for every artist to have the opportunity to own the things they create. Let’s not forget it was Taylor who sat on her bedroom floor writing lyrics, it was her who came up with the melodies that everyone sings today, it was her who became a cultural icon. There’s no way that two men in the middle of the night with a click of a pen should be able to sign away everything that she had created. If she was a male artist the response she received would probably be different
fr i extremely disagree with him saying taylor made a big deal when scooter bought, scott sold her master WITHOUT HER PERMISSION. worth to note that she writes all of her songs, her songs are quite personal that's why she made a big deal of it (as it should). also not to forget the fact scooter was eyeing on Taylor to be her manager in her early days but she refused considering not a single label/manager would let her self written songs be released on her debut album except BMR.
Wait, you think Taylor Swift making a 'big deal' about Scooter Braun buying her masters from under her was not justified?
Yeah, if it was just the fact that someone bought them it wouldn't be any big thing. Happens all the time. It was the fact that it was someone she absolutely HATES, and the person making the sale KNEW that. Plus she apparently wasn't given the opportunity to buy them herself. I mean, show the woman who generated all of your money some courtesy.
Josh Follmann her dad knew they felt she shouldn’t have to pay so she didn’t get them
She signed the contract. And the owner of her material has the right to sell it to whomever he wants...
Yeah, but why she can not sinh her song in her show? They are her song, she wrote and she can not sing them.
When Kanye say about this, every ones say he do right. That is sexist.
When Scott Stapp said "krrrrrt ferrrrrrd ferrrrrr maerrrrrrrr" I cried
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"Peeling the buttrock onion" is probably one of the most unappealing mental images of all time. Well done Sir.
All I know is that I CANNOT stop listening to “The Last Great American Dynasty.”
I've watched about 20 of your videos so far and I'd like to thank you for keeping your 'excerpts' (ie direct clips of other people's videos/interviews, etc.) really, really brief and directly to the point. I feel like the majority of youtubers get this wrong and you get it 100% spot on. Thank you.
I hung out with some "punk rock" kids in the late 1990s and their number 1 topic of conversation was how much they hated Blink 182 even tho they all dressed like they could be in the band. Also they decided Pennywise was the best punk band.
Pennywise fans love Cheshire Cat
To be fair I think it is the other way around. Blink dressed the way your friends did.
Eric Ridenour stop the cap
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I vaguely remember watching PW live and they're not bad. Blink though I definitely get tired of hearing them on the radio or wherever their music pops up
Blink is wholesome pac sun pop punk
The most important thing I think Ive ever heard in your videos is the call to understand the seriousness of anybody going through mental health issues. Love all the videos and thanks for the hard work you put in to give people like me an insight into all the things in music we grew up with.
Man, I gotta say I really appreciate how you often take opportunities to remind a lot of your viewers of the toxic mentality that a lot of fans from the rock and metal scenes tend to fall in to.
I’ve now mostly moved out of that way of thinking but still occasionally go back to it when I’m not careful.
You taking those chances to call out that destructive way of thinking goes a long way, and is a great example of using the power of your popularity and voice to spread good.
The thing I love about Blink-182 is they are just normal guys who are goofing around having a great time. Watching Tom and Mark Live was just pure entertainment because of their banter.
I loved at the end of Aliens Exist when Mark would go "Tom likes humping guyyyyyys"
Everybody loves blink 182, i get your point about blink being to clean for punk, but then again if you have to conform to a certain style to be consider punk then the whole thing doesnt make sence, besides that they got a lot of people in my generation into music and into playing guitar, i have since changed in taste but like a lot of people in my age there is a special place in them in my music library.
ambienteterrazas great point! Clean up those typos though 😂
@@devindoran67 Thanks for the tip, english is my second lenguage, ill keep trying to get better..
ambienteterrazas you were super close! 🤙🏻
straight up I started writing songs on my guitar like 15 years ago because of blink.
I’m a huge fan of NOFX, pennywise, lagwagon etc and the only reason i knew about them was because of blink mention them in interviews and such. And like me there’s a lot of people that got into a rabbit hole of bands and music thanks to them . . . Irony?!?!? 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you for this creating this yt channel Finn 🙏. I am always fascinated with music genres, branding and perception of bands. You created a whole channel dedicated to this!
I remember once reading a punk message board where a Christian punk band was mentioned. It devolved into two guys saying how you can't be Christian and punk, because being punk is about no rules and being rebellious. Then went on a discussion about the rules of being punk. So it was funny that the band rebelling against the punk rules and regulations were deemed to be too conforming to be punk, by guys brandishing the rules of conformity about how to be punk.
All the talk about Blink not being accepted by 'real punks' made me think of this. Of course we see this mentality all over music, but often more well veiled. Being so blatant and obvious simply made it that much funnier.
Finn has fallen into the Raid trap, something must be done to save him.
Fell into it ages ago. Dude is hustling... He's transparent about it being an ad so whatevs. Just don't click it. His content is killer enough for me to not care.
@@bfluker85 yeah that's true content is pure gold
He must stop being a greedy corporate chill
@@TheCivildecay you've obviously never watched a single of his videos because he makes fun of dorks like you who are allergic to success all the time. Grow up
Check out his other channel, he does a great breakdown of raid’s marketing techniques.
Crust punk here...Blink 182 Was one of the band that my friends and I were all listening. for a bunch of us, it was what brought our attention to punk music and we branched out from there. We're in our mid 30's now some of us are more into the hardcore scene, others are in the black metal/grindcore/ crust punk stuff, some are into the trad skinhead scene listening to oi!, reggea and rock and roll and finally some of us are still into ska and punk rock and skateboard but we all share Blink 182 as a common influence in the late 90's.
Any recommendations for essential crust punk listening?
@@KenGold666 Oh yeah, of course. first I will divide the suggestions in two categories : the fisrt would be the classic traditional sound of crust punk/D-beat umbrella and the second the Neo crust punk band ( more melodic with influences from metal genres and more instruments skills displayed).
As you asked for essentials I would not just list the top tier ones and the most iconic , I will also include some smaller band that I think are an essential for a good library. they will be list in no particular order and regardless as sub-sub genres as long as they fit the big crusty tree.
traditional Crust punk and D-beat
( influences comes from hardcore punk, street punk,hardcore and grindcore)
( general topics: in your face politics, war/pasifism, mental illness, feminism, digust and anguish, veganism)
- Discharge ( godfathers of the "dis" sound, D-beat) from England 1977.
They created a music that led to a lot of extreme metal et punk subgenres. usully band with "dis" at the beginning will have a strong influence from the band ( in the exeption of (in terms of bigger names) Discharger that is an Oi! band and Disrupt that is a grindcore band)
- Rudimentary Peni, England 1980
- Kurwa Aparata, a small band from the DIY street punk crust scene from Austria -circa 2005?- . they are not well known but are a really good exemple of the sub genre
-Amebix England 1978 ( OG crust)
- Seitan, Sweden -circa 2012?- ( newer band with old school original D-beat sounding)
- Tragedy, USA 1995 ( hardcore rooted crust/D-beat)
- Cress England 1998
- Aus Rotten USA 1991 (usually seen as a gateway to the genre, a good place to begin the dive into crust music, sitting between street punk and anarcho crust)
- Besthöven Brasil 1990 (one man band, Dis-crust)
- Inepsy Québec, Canada 1999 ( dubbed as Motor-Crust, A sound heavily influence By Motorhead)
- Disrupt USA 1987( Grindcore/Crust punk)
- Darkthrones Norway 1986 ( well known as a Black metal legendary band they ventured in the roots of the genre for 3 awesome albums from 2007 to 2010 exploring Blackend crust, crust punk and black and roll.
Neo Crust - a lot of these bands will include strings instruments and shows greater musical skills- ( influences comes from Post Harcore , Crust punk, doom metal, black metal ) ( general topics: earth crisis ,nature's beauty, veganism, epic journey, feminism, environment)
- fall of efrafa England 2005 ( concept band based around the universe of Watership Down, a 1972 novel by Richard Adams) strongly recommending both the band and the book ( there is also a cartoon, a movie and a Netflix mini serie for Watership Down) the band vocalist have a ton of great other bands that are worth checking out and he is also an incredible artist , Alex Bradshaw.
- Siphilisation Belgium 2008 ( Epic Doom, Post Crust. powerfull melodic music with skilled musicians and brutal vocals)
- Öroku USA -circa 2005?- ( post hardcore , Metal driven crust energy, cello)
- Gattaca, Czech republic 2009 ( Epic crust, strongly vegan )
- Madame Germen, Spain -circa 2003?- ( neo crust with strong anger in the vocals line and beautifull music full of emotions)
- La ligne Maginot Austria 2009 ( heavily involved in the DIY and AnarchoPunk scene)
- CWill, Switzerland -circa 1994?- ( Neo crust/ hardcore with strings , more close to the harcore roots the agression is more raw but the music is still beautifull and the band has skilled musicians)
- Iskra , Canada 2002 ( Blackened crust and green anarchist , raw material but still in the newest declination of the crusty-verse )
- Ecocide, USA 2011 (blackened crust with strong environment themed lyrics)
- Remains of the day, USA -circa 2000?- ( Melodic crust or Neo crust a good exemple of the genre)
- Dirty Kids Discount USA -circa 2013?- ( although not a neo crust band per say, they are labeled as a folk punk band but they have that crust punk sound and energy so they would be more of a folkcrust band and that would be a New subgenre of crust so it would be fair to put them under the "NEO" Crust umbrella)
- human plague Mexico - circa 2011?- ( post harcore / neo crust. good melody and tangible emotions through the vocals.
Also an honorable mention to Last Mesure, Australia -circa 2009?- ( they are a pure crust punk band and I didn't mention them earlier cause they are really difficult to find. they started to play when they where 14/15 years old and they where so fresh to listen to , so much anger so much truth in their music , influence by hardcore and crust their full length album " Byproduct of the nuclear familly" ( 2012) was incredible. if you dig deep enough you can find some of their harsher recording online but that does not give them justice at all. maybe some day I'll post that album online.
Well I hope it's an answer you will enjoy digging into.
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100% but i still cringe when i hear how former punks "graduated" to metal or whatever. i'll never understand that trajectory. i like some metal, but i don't get how many "grow out of" punk rock. punk rock til I dieeeeeeee
@@permafrostprod1 Thank you for taking the time to write all of that! 😊
@@darksu6947 It was a pleasure 😁
The “ shadow people “. I know exactly what you are talking about. Sometimes I called them ghosts or phantoms.
I like and still listen to old Creed, really for Tremonti's guitar playing. One of my favorite guitarists of all time. And I always liked Blink. One word I have for them...FUN!
First album is good
You should listen to Alter Bridge then. It's Mark, Brian, and Flip from Creed, plus Myles Kennedy from Slash's band. Mark gets to play a lot more and be a lot more creative in Alter Bridge than in Creed.
Exactly. I think Creed legitimately had great guitar parts. I think Scott Stahp is the sole reason they are annoying.
I'd argue it was pearl jam that put the yarling thing on the map, then creed that made a mockery of it.
True
Yeah. I recall even in the coffee shop open mics in 93-94, every third act was a wannabe Eddie Vedder.
agreed
Yeah but for some reason when Pearl Jam does it, it works, while all the dudes copying that style just sound ridiculous.
I thought the exact same thing
I always attributed a lot of the hate to Taylor Swift to the fact that she turned her back on the country scene that allowed her the exposure to get to where she is... much like Gwen Stefani turned her back on her original ska fans and Jewel turned her back on the folk music fan base that made her early paychecks flow in, Taylor Swift also took the pop route and I feel that's a major factor in people disliking all three of those artists
Probably, but normal pop-country fans in general have no problem with Swift. Even some traditionalists tolerates her toe dipping in country every once in a while. Country had been slowly redeeming themself from the embarassment brought by bro-country and any substantial songs that actually sounds country, even from an outsider, is welcomed most of the time
Most people don’t know a single thing about Taylor Swift, they just jump on the bandwagon of hate. Taylor was actually saving country music at the time which was dying. I dare people pick up a guitar, write their own lyrics then sing them in front of hundreds of thousands of people and see if they can do any better. The answer is probably not. People have the stereotypical idea that pop music is cheesy and easy to make, well guess what if you took some music theory lessons you will quickly find out that pop music done in Taylor’s style is incredibly difficult to make. You probably won’t ever be able to achieve the level of musical artistry that she has. “Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate”
Love the editing on this one. It feels like something changed. Great vid as always 🤙🏽
Blink didn’t sign to a major label until yeeeaaaarrrrrssss after their inception. They totally played DIY SHOWS
It wasn't until Dude Ranch that went huge in Australia that people started paying attention. Then obvs it went mental with Travis joining and Enema coming out.
Andrew Shirley oh wow! I wasn’t aware of that. Australia is dope 🔥❤️
Andrew Shirley Cheshire was big in Australia, Dude Ranch was bigger in America.
@@DylanKarbo Exactly that. They got known first outside of the US.
@@pantsnjacket381 Yeah Pennywise brought them to Australia early on and got them attention here because Pennywise are also huge in Australia!
I’m so embarrassed that I told my 8th grade English class Creed was my favorite band.
Don't be, listen to Alter Bridge and you'll know what I mean
Did they accept your opinion with arms wide open?
Man you're good. It's more embarrassing if you told everyone that you like Nickelback.
The first step to recovery is talking about it, you’re on the path to non religious redemption!
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My girlfriend unironicaly likes nickelback. It crushes my soul.
Taylor is head and shoulders more talented than 99 percent of the other pop stars out there. Like her or not she’s an actual songwriter with her own ideas who plays her own instruments and not some manufactured fluff. Really grown to respect her over the years.
She can't sing without her machines. And doesn't write her own songs by a Longshot. The Taylor swift you're drooling over is a product.
@@ViralVenom Ain't drooling over nobody, man. If you really equate respect=drooling I don't know what to think about that. People love to go to extremes on here these days though, so I guess I forgive you.
@@ViralVenom She wrote the entirety of her third studio album by herself. And one of those songs on that album got her a Grammy.
@@ViralVenom this is just false lol. Her claim to fame is her songwriting ability, and though she’s not the most powerful vocalist she absolutely can sing and has proven it live many times. You don’t have to like her but this just isn’t true
I personally love her music even the new stuff
Creed actually released four albums in total. Their fourth album, "Full Circle," was released in 2009 and was produced by Howard Benson. I feel like its actually their best album overall in my opinion because it incorporates elements of Alter Bridge while also refining and compensating for the negative qualities that were on the previous Creed albums.
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I thought he was joking about the sponsor
You're a handsome dude, don't be so hard on yourself!
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Blink definitely put their time in they played at schools, bars in front of nobody, they toured in a van for some years they worked hard for a good 4 or 5 years before getting a major label to sign them. Yeah they were signed to a small Indy label before that but so does every other band and the small labels don’t do much for you. A lot of people think they were just an overnight success in 99 when enema came out, many people didn’t know it was their 3rd album and didn’t know they were a band for 7 years damn near a decade. The punk police definitely said they weren’t punk but that’s subject yeah they didn’t share the same roots and beliefs the hardcore punks did but they still had the punk attitude of we are going to play what we want to play, say what we wanna say and don’t care if you like it or not.
Creed wasn’t a terrible band even if you didn’t like the vocals the music was still decent. If anything this vid should be about nickel back lol
Whoever the guitarist for Creed is wrote some pretty cool riffs for the band. They're simple and a product of their time but they would sound really cool if you happened to hear someone play them and they weren't already well-known.
@@JohnDoe-gy5dr yeah I feel ya he made some really cool riffs I listened to them when they came out but after they weren’t popular anymore I really never felt the need to listen to them after that like blink 182 I have always listened to them, I will always check out and buy their new music I just never felt that way about creed which I’m sure many people do. I watched a live creed video a while back and the guitarist definitely has some metal in his blood he had a really heavy guitar tone like he was in Metallica, adding harmonics and some of the riffs have a metal feel.
@@JohnDoe-gy5dr holy crap! ‘Whoever the creed guitarist is’??? Its Mark f’n Tremonti and yes he’s got metal in his DNA! He’s a riff and shred master, which he’s got to do to awesome results with AlterBridge for the past 20 years! Also in his own solo career for the past 10. He’s a monster, and has evolved alot since Creed.
I’ve always loved Taylor Swift just because I liked her since elementary school and I feel like I somewhat matured with her music which made me feel really close to it and her. I still have the fearless platinum album on my iTunes! I can see how you could dislike her music for seeming self-absorbed or something, but imo it’s fine because that’s her art. It’s how she expresses herself and she loves it, so if she can make good music around her life and make it big? Good for her! I do like heavier music usually, but for more pop music she’s good at what she does and she’s always evolving what she writes and puts out and for that I’ve always stick by Taylor’s music. Cool to see you mention her in a video, even if it’s for being hated! Lol
Her music is crap people who like it are so plastic tbh
What amuses me as an older metal fan who enjoys pop music (I grew up on as much hair metal as NWOBHM, so of course I like pop), is that Taylor Swift gets bashed for writing about her life in a self absorbed way, when that is literally most grunge bands' whole schtick (and frequent in later punk too). For the rest, if you don't like pop you're not going to like TS, but it's hard to deny she's a brilliant pop songwriter. And she can write successfully to multiple genres which is impressive. I actually believe one day she'll do a full-on voice and guitar album that'll be the best Joni Mitchell album Joni Mitchell never released. Folklore gives an inkling of that direction but I surmise that album is still a few years down the road.
@Ooohbopbopboppadoohwah she doesn't even have a real candle to start with,it's a candle made up by the music industry just research a little bit and you'll realize how plastic this "artists" are, their fame is made up they push it down your throat to the point you think you like it and simple minded people just go with the flow same happens with reggaeton,you may wonder "pfff yeah sure then why is she one of the most famous singers in the world? " Because there are more dumb people than smart people in this world (that answers the question of why is the world so effed up) they don't even make their own music ffs ,I won't deny there are good singers like ariana grande who has a good voice but her music still sh*t no matter how many people they hire.
In conclusion all that american popular music y'all think you love is pure horse manure.
@@takocat9618 rock/metal elitist
@@takocat9618 god, you’re unbearable
“Butt Rock Onion” may be my least favourite phrase I have ever heard, haha.
My only problem with Creed lies solely with Scott Stapp.
Exactly. Once he was gone and they formed Alter Bridge with Myles Kennedy, the fact the Scott Stapp was the problem became all too obvious.
Perpetual Thinker Alter Bridge is the best hard rock band of the 2000s. It’s not debatable
He should've concentrated on his acting career. I thought he was great in the Underworld series!
Agreed.
@@anti0918 that's good cap
Love your channel. Very insightful
I grew up on grunge, post-grunge, pop punk and later emo pop/rock and since I missed the eras of finding my scene in a physical way (going to underground shows, getting to know people in the scene, discovering new bands as they came out) I always felt a little alienated from music even though it's who I am. So it's really cool to hear someone who is knowledgeable about these scenes and doesn't dunk on popular bands and people who discover genres at a later time.
I saw Creed live in 99 when they headlined Edgefest here in Canada. I was tired and making my way out before they started thinking “I don’t care about some Christian band” they opened with What If and I just remember stopping in my tracks and my jaw dropping. I stood awestruck for the entire performance Still this day one of the best shows I’ve seen. I feel like it’s just popular to hate on them and people like to jump on bandwagons. Kind of like Nickleback I guess
say what will about Blink 182, Travis Barker is a kickass drummer
Fun fact: Before Blink, Travis was known as "Baron Von Tito", the drummer for The Aquabats on their album "The Fury of the Aquabats". It's why the drumming is so good on that album.
he's not really. it's the same 3 beats over and over
@@somericanguy it's really not.
@@somericanguy Sorry about you being deaf
gamefreak249 Barker’s music hasn’t evolved. It’s the same beats from Enema of the State as it is in Box Car Racer and as it was with the Aquabats. Sorry this triggered you so much. But go ahead and isolate the drum tracks and you’ll see
When the haters say they hate britney or taylor ask if they'd sleep with them ...the opinion quickly changes
Lol might not like Britney Spears but we wouldn’t have Taylor if Britney speaks was around
You're cool bro, great input as always! Your channel is awesome, keep at it!
“Taaake me out to the brrrrrllllgaaamme”
I almost spat out my coffee 😂
"Butt rock onion" almost made me throw up in my mouth a little
Good band name
It’s true tho
You line it
finn, i had to record that part about creeds singers mental health stuff to send to my friends as a cry for help, everything you put out is amazing, but that was... yeah thanks
Great video (once again) 🙌 and cool that you mentioned your 'top 5' bands ~ quite pleasant surprise with the Blinks, Hatebreed and Pantera 🤘 ADTR are also great band and something that really stands out of 'their genre' 💪.. but I have to check out whats up with the Youth of Today, 'cause I don' t really know any of their songs 😁
Dude ranch was pretty punk. 🤷🏾♂️
Not talking about dude ranch days here. He means the enema of the state days
he said they were never a real punk band like greenday, offspring, and rancid.
It broke my heart and I cried infront of my coworkers........it hurts!
Dsal 1 haha it’ll be ok time heals all wounds. Classism is real and pop punk never had a chance lol
@@microchrist6122 thank you........thank you.
Buddha
Well, that prom king also got himself kicked out of high school for turning up wasted!
Dick Lips!
I found you yesterday and I really like your videos because you are rather objective, and you take your time explaining in a non annoying way. And I learned about butt Rock which was interesting. Hahaha
There's an interesting documentary on Taylor Swift's career: Miss Americana, where she talks mainly about how she let popular opinion dictate how she had to be and what she had to do in music or everything else. It turns our that I found the documentary very interesting about the crushing influence of popular opinion and social media on an artists!
Yeah because that’s what all pop stars is... money hungry, ego, shallowness and fame is what is all about on pop music.
@@panterafanloco1600 I found the rock/metal elitist
@@kittykittybangbang9367 no... a true metalhead
@@panterafanloco1600 true metal head lol wow you are toxic
Great video fella. I think a lot of the younger millennials and gen Z never knew that Blink was hated at some point. Good learning
Human clay was the first album my father ever bought for me from the bootleggers on Canal st in NYC when I was 8 years old in 1999. I played the shit out of it. I can honestly say that because of that album, I developed an interest for rock which my sibling never did and went on to discover actual metal in middle school on Kazaa. I'll always have a soft spot for Creed even Stapp is a creeper
Tremonti was a beast even back then. I always found them musically way way way more solid than their counterparts.
@@gmorkins6006 Tremonti is an incredible guitarist. That's why he's endured in his career and outlived anything related to Creed.
Hey bro, love the video. Could you please do one about John Mayer?
Pretty sure Scott Stapp is Steve Perry's alter ego.
Another awesome video, thnx Finn!!
It was nice to be educated about Blink being hated back in its day, I personally never saw it like that nor even thought about them as a disliked band... I guess 'cause i'm from Spain the "school culture" is diferent in some points, for example we have no school dance nor votes for king and queen and/or even a distinction between the popular kids, outcast, jocks and whatever... I do remember and belive mostly during that time other teens thought they looked cool with the dreadlocks, tattoos, clothes (I should know, I was one of them); But after all this time since I understand and see a lot more of that culture I din't while growing up (no reference to damm it) it's understandable. Hope it makes sense, my english is very rusty.
Finally regarding something i'd like to see: Please, please, please TALK! mention even, about... Kill Creek. Have being listening to them for a bunch of years but can't find any info' on them, have not seen any video footage and it sucks¡¡¡ St. Valentine's Garage is freaking amazing for me i keep going back to it/them in general.
Cheers, have a good week.
Finn, when are you going to do a video on 2008-2014 emo revival? Stuff like La Dispute, Touche Amore, Tigers Jaw, Title Fight, all the way to The World Is, The Hotelier
Fax. Absolute love that sound. Check out William Bonney and Youth Fountain too
Always super insightful! I like the most hated vids. Thanks, Finn!
Thanks for an entertaining video and for not taking yourself too seriously.
Eddie Vedder created a whole generation of dudes who sound like they have a mouth full of marbles. Scott being one of them 😂
I hate him for specifically that reason.
The only other guy who yarled before Eddie that I can think of was the vocalist of Iron Butterfly.
"rehr wherr rerr reoww rerrrl"
@@HoChiMints2007 Keep going, I like that song!
He’s honestly the only one who sounded good doing it.
Remember when the WWF used Creed's "My Sacrifice" in a load of ads?
She might’ve been super popular in the Us... but come to Central Europe... shes never NEVER on the radio. Also Taylor deserves it cause she’s such a good songwriter and artist. Also she is definitely not narcissistic. She gives more back to her fans than anyone else.
Taylor swift is fake as all pop stars is. They’re all about fame and looks
@@panterafanloco1600 micheal Jackson Madonna weren’t I can name more but these totally are not for that
Finn your videos are addicting. Keep it up
Thank you!
I love T swift the older i get the more music i give more of a chance than i did as a kid. I now know from over the years that TB was way to good for blink182 and him and TimTomebomb still work together.so yeah give them a chance before you judge.
Me too. I'm just as happy to listen to mainstream pop as I am to gothic metal, or punk music.
You uploaded this SO SOON after I was thinking about WHY Blink are timeless; Yes, some of the fashion trends were cringey. And yes, they began to get worse live / songwriting declined BUT.. They are still timeless and relevent.
Because when we think about Kid Rock & all the new metal bands in 2000, we think ‘lol that was funny, cringe, glad thats over.’
When we think about scene kids and huge fringes and weird screamo music, we cringe and some of us think ‘what were we thinking?’
In 10 years we will prob look at Machine Gun Kelly or emo rappers or Gucci Gang and be like cringeee. (i already do sometimes)
But Blink 182 (along with the other pop punk and punk rock bands) are the only ones we can look back on and be like ‘lol that was so fun. So cool. So glad we had that.’ And i think thats why all these Simple Plan / New Found Glory-esque nostalgia tours and festivals do so well haha.
I like how you feel about pop punk: not always real punk, but there's room for what they do regardless. I've always been fan of the word genres like pop punk, prog Rock, etc. Being true to a genre is cool, it's fine, and yet taking it to a weird place and gaining traction to its origins is insanely respectable. Hope to bump into you and drink a few beers and talk rock history one day, I know I could learn some new perspectives and shit from you. Keep doing your thing man
I really like your most hated bands videos. I don’t usually hate (or have even heard of) these bands but it’s fascinating that people put energy into hating a band.
It may also be interesting to do the opposite of these videos. Most loved bands. I’d watch that.
Who in God’s name hates Blink? Who hurt those people, literally every millennial I know loves them . The only people that I could see hating them are punk elitists and music snobs with the taste of your average Fantano fanboy
Yeah, Fantano is an absolute douche
@Aditya Vajandar Agreed, I’m only subscribed to him so I can shitpost on the comment section
@@adityavajandar5433 fantono is dope, if you avoid the hip hop reviews
SouthsideSceptile he hated most core and is a poser in all respects
@@tpags7398 yeah sometimes he's ignorant
Dude I was into all kinds of punk when I was young. Blink 182 holds a special place in my heart and the Cheshire Cat album when I came out was on fuckin repeat in these girls I knew’s house I went to to hang out at like every day. That album was the soundtrack to an amazing time in my life so when I hear any songs from that album today it takes me back to high school and those days where everything was a blast and there was no stress and no worries. Hot girls too.....
I never knew and JUST found out you're Sergeant D! Huge fan for years. I miss SYWH so much. I also saw you did the Vanflip podcast. That's really awesome. Don't know if you ever posted there but I'm m00k on there. Used to run the Christ Almartyr blog. Keep up the awesome work, man. A lot of people who like what they like and don't care about being tr00 owe you a debt of gratitude.
Why doesn't a video called "What Killed Grunge?" not exist on this channel? Kinda surprised it wasn't made when your channel was still relatively new. Also, you're explanations are very spot on and you make many good points. Keep it up, dude. 👍🏼
P.s. Love and support from Canada 🇨🇦
(Rick Grimes voice): YARL!
I can’t necessarily say I hate Taylor Swift or any popstar in general, but that overexposure point you made definitely still vastly applies to this day and probably always will.
Billie Eilish is an insane example of that. I am personally indifferent when it comes to her actual music, but ever since I first heard of her it seems like her face is everywhere for seemingly no reason. She’s even got her own Fender signature ukulele somehow.
I absolutely love bands like the offspring and blink, but if they were as everywhere back then as Billie Eilish is today, I can completely understand why older punk rockers I know don’t like them🤣
Love this video series dude. Keep it up 🤘🏻🤙🏻
Finn never ceases to impress me with his perspective and i always leave his vids feeling like a have a much wider view of things. also love his MGS sound FX
I've watched your videos now for like two months, and im almost positive you are filming these inside of the bathroom at the Machine Shop here in Michigan.
Kudos to those that have been..
Say what you want about Taylor, but her album folklore was fantastic. I do not like mainstream pop at all, especially Taylor's, but folklore was more personal and I felt like there were layers and things to decipher, unlike her previous music. I want her to continue with this folk/indie/alternative sound, because it sounds like the "real" Taylor.
Isn’t alter bridge just creed without Scott Stapp just replacing him with Miles Kennedy?
Exactly, Myles is awesome, love his stuff with Slash.
Their styles are very different too
Right, they had to replace their vocalist after Stapp pursued his acting career in all the Underworld movies.
Yes, and no. Same band, but it's clear that scott had more creative control in Creed. Alterbridge isn't exactly post grunge. Mark gives them some thrash elements, Myles gives it some rock vibes, and flip and Brian tie everything together. Think more alternative than post-grunge
Hell no. They only had a little grunge on their first album and they'd abandoned them completely by Blackbird. Their sound is an odd mess of tons of genres including groove, alternative, thrash, and traditional metal. Tremonti really developed his own guitar style on Blackbird that was fully realized on AB3 and beyond and the band's songwriting has slowly shaped itself around that weirdness. Their songwriting is miles ahead of Creed (tbf Creed has 1-2 decent if dated albums) and over time they've all proven themselves to be very technical musicians, especially Myles who's FUCKING FIFTY and still sings like he's in his 20's. They're well worth a listen.
Can you talk about Turnover and Movements, also the genre dream pop in your future videos?
I gotta applaud your last comments at the end. The self awareness piece is huge. You gotta acknowledge what you have is worth people's time
I’m only just now, in my 30’s, in 2020, realizing that Blink 182 are hated. I guess I was born at the perfect time to love the intensity of their early stuff, but also was able to appreciate the creative turns they took throughout their career. I have a tremendous amount of respect for all of those guys, even the crazy ones.
Yeah that was news to me as well. I don't think there were any "real punks" where I grew up.
Blink are one of my favourite bands. Creeds first two albums were decent and Taylor Swift is a mixed bag but she can put out good stuff
This is one of my favorite series on UA-cam, keep them coming dude!!
blink was the band that kind of introduced me to the rock scene and the genre itself. So they were the reason I eventually ended up in the hardcore/punk scene if you will and I'm really thankful for that!
Blink is in my top ten bands/artists and so is Taylor. I am a Swiftie. She is very engaged with her fans. The Scooter Braun drama has some merit if you look deep into. He was involved in bullying her while she was at low point in her life. She sings songs about her life which I do enjoy because they are relatable. I think you genuinely missed that in this video. Also does Raid Shadow Legends have micro transitions?
Yeah lots of kids now don't remember how fucking hated blink was/is by the "real punks" (which is hilariously usually washed up skater punks complaining about how blink is a nofx ripoff, as if nofx were so original and despite the fact that blink haven't sounded anything like that since '97 (at which point they were also already writing songs like 'Emo' and 'Apple Shampoo'). I remember growing up in the early/mid 00s and always getting shit on in forums and comment sections for being a fake mall punk kid cause I didn't listen to Pulley and Strung Out. Jokes on them cause now I can just come back and call THEM the fake mall punk kids for not listening to Struggle, Unbroken, and Drive Like Jehu! 😜
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Seriously. I remember being in middle school and this kid who basically lived in his Operation Ivy tshirt would constantly mock me for liking Blink. Pretty sure it was around the time the self titled album was released, because my friend and I would duet Stockholm Syndrome in science class while working on labs and it pissed that guy off sooooo badly. 😂
i listened to blink's "emo" this morning. maybe my favorite blink song ever
Good video Finn. Maybe you should talk about Rancid sometime, I never understand the hate that they get. Great band with awesome musicians, even though the later material isn't that good...
Bro let me say im a fan not only for your extensive rock knowledge but you clearly dont limit yourself musically. Much respect
Alright it's official: I am living to hear Finn's mom voice more often
If only he'd add a "don'tcha know" to the end
Yes!! 😂
When do we get a top 5 butt rock bands video?
Or at least a PRMBA butt rock shirt
Butt rock onion has to be put on a shirt.
Finn already covered Creed, Nickelback, Five Finger Death Punch as most hated bands. They're all considered butt-rock
Will you ever do a video about the best gateway bands to different genres? Like with Trivium and A7X being gateway bands to metal.
I really need to know the name of the song that plays in 4:40, its a song I know but I had forgotten completely about and now I can't find it. Help!