How Has Pop Punk Grown Up? A Look at the Genre's Evolution
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Is pop punk finally back? After the success of WILLOW & Travis Barker’s “Transparent Soul” and Olivia Rodrigo’s “good 4 u”, it’s safe to say that we are amidst a pop punk revival.
This time around, Gen-Z is at the forefront, and artists like WILLOW, Meet Me @ The Altar and Pink Shift are creating an inclusive community, unlike anything this genre has seen before. In this video, Linda Diaz and Arthur Buckner will explore the highs and lows of pop punk’s popularity and FeFe Dobson helps us answer the question, “Why did pop punk disappear?"
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shoutouts to Travis Barker for not being a gatekeeping oldhead and helping out a bunch of young artists!
All the dudes in blink have always been super inclusive of different genres and helpful to younger artists, awesome guys
He knows his roots! Starting in the aquabats and then moving into Blink he knows everyone starts somewhere
Travis barker is the mark Zuckerberg/bill gates of the genre. And that's not a compliment.
@@mossbot5347 *sUpEr InClUsIvE*
I think he took notes from Mark Hoppus who was doing this, particularly through the 2010s.
Loved being a part of this ♥
You were the highlight of the video🤍
And we love having you again! You're amazing.
I literally clicked on this video because of your feature 💖
Sunday Love was the best gift to the world that was never actually gifted.
You're the shit Fefe I remember looking up to you growing up your music was inspirational and badass!!!! Much love to you 💞💞
I would just love to add and give props to Avril Lavigne, P!NK, and even Kelly Clarkson for their influence on female pop-punk and pop-rock.
Ive been noticing that 90s-early 2000 lifestyle is making a comeback with teenagers. There are loads of kids skating again for example. The clothes, hairstyles and attitude are also very similar in many ways. So im not too surprised that music of this era is also making a comeback.
Nope. You're confusing it with the lame 80's. The poor and clueless generation z is obsessed with said decade..
Yep that's how you know we getting old. Lived long enough to live that style and to see it come back 20 years later lol.
another thing of the Late 90s Early 2000s sound that is popular too is Hyperpop music. if you listen to a lot of those songs you would swear we were back in the Early Internet days of Happy Hardcore, Scenecore and Nightcore music all over again.
In the late 80s and early 90s we had a renaissance of the 60s trends: hair, make up, movies, music.
In the late 90s and early 00s it was the 70s...
And in the 2010s we had both the 80s and the 90s come back full force.
And now it's time for the early 00s aesthetic to come full circle and become a point of reference.
I think it happens cause that's how the new generations accommodate the things they absorb from their parents and ends up becoming a cultural revival of some kind...
@@joaopauloduartedasilva4101 the 80s looked like the baby of the 50s fashion, style.
This was a great video, very insightful and well put together, but I can't believe there was not a single mention of Avril Lavigne in the entire thing. She was literally the OG alt girl and paved the way for so many guitar driven pop artists. Disney rock is literally a direct continuation of Avril's legacy in the early 00s.
Lol literally all 2000s coming of age sitcoms and movies
Damn ikr I clicked on this video and was kind of expecting at least a mention of her name
She's so influential in this genre she would need her own video, but yeah they should have mentioned her at least.
alt-girls go back decades. Janis Joplin and Debbie Harry were alt-girls in the time just as much as Avril Lavinge in hers.
In my opinion the single moment punk pop came back from the dead, was 'I Think I'm Okay' by Machine Gun Kelly, YungBlud & Travis Barker, then differing forms came out which helps the overall ball rolling down the hill.
Thats just pop
One small thing: I think ignoring Buzzcocks in the very early pop-punk conversation is a tad myopic, particularly with singles such as "Ever Fallen in Love With Someone You Shouldn't've?" Naturally, The Ramones had a clear bubblegum pop influence, and the more modern American school of pop-punk owes far more to The Descendants in actual sound, but Buzzcocks were a pretty direct bridge between those two bands in sound and sensibility and arguably better songwriters than either.
Yes, this is nerdy hairsplitting, but what is punk without nerdy hairsplitting? :P
P.S. This is not a knock on the video as a whole; to the contrary, it's a very minor point in an otherwise solid video. I just think it's worth shouting out a band which was really important to this style, what's more fronted by an openly bisexual man (Pete Shelley) in the '70s, of all things!
Buzzcocks are a sweet band indeed.
thank you!
Descendents are the true beginning of what we know as pop today, but yes, you are right
The buzzcocks just arent well known in the usa. You gotta be a hella music nerd to know them.
I'm not convinced.
please never stop making new videos
dont ever abandon this channel please its so good!!!
i really really appreciate your work
thank you!!!
Thank you for not forgetting Fefe Dobson!
of course!
I was wondering how Linda's voice would fare in a more 'rock' environment, and then you made this video.
I'm amazed of how you can engeneer a song on demand like this, it would be nice to have a video with the full song!
Thanks for another instructive and beautiful video!
So good that Fefe Dobson is in this! Phenomenal Canadian artist!
Just leaving this here: All us millennial white dudes that spent more hours than we care to admit playing Tony Hawk's and getting wasted to the sound of pop punk should put all our support behind this revival and these artists.
Also, waiting for the Nu Metal revival and for Trap Metal to become mainstream!
Totally agree with the first part. But nu metal and trap metal... not so much haha
The Nu Metal revival is here! Literally 75% of modern metal sounds like Linkin Park-core. Not enough guys with blue goatees making a "don't look at me I'm crazy, bro!" face though lol.
Yeah the gatekeeping from that demographic I feel lead to the downfall, nothing new or progressive could happen in the scen w/o purist rejecting it, leaving the scene stagnant. Now ppl like the new artist in this video, who have been pushed out of alt scenes, are the ones leading the revival while millennial white guys are stuck in their old ways
@@mari98_ As a minority, I find it interesting how some people feel like white people being the face and audience of certain music genres is perceived as "gatekeeping" meanwhile if somebody non-black emulates R&B music or rap, it's perceived as "appropriation".
I will when I see something worth it. The likes of MGK aren’t doing it. He’s a fake that will wear whatever garb he thinks will work.
Always loved Fefe Dobson. All of her albums have great gems.
I love this channel so much! Learning about how music evolves over time and how certain sounds inspire new ones is forever fascinating to me. Need a full version of the song at the end you guys did. Just from that little snippet it's soooo catchy!
Pop punk never left
Neck Deep, State Champs, Seaway, Like Pacific, A day to Remember, Real Friends, Knuckle Puck, Anxious, Koyo, Hot Muligan, The Story so Far, The Wonder years, No Pressure…
Right? That’s what I’m saying like it never went away. It just wasn’t popular. People like MGK made it “popular” again but like it didn’t go away. I’ve been in the pop punk scene since I was 10 and never left.
exactly!!!
Yungblud mod sun and MGK massively important ! All in all I'm loving the revival
Great video to start off my morning, can't wait to get into the nitty gritty of it.
you guys should totally make a spotify page with a playlist to go along with each video! im trying to write down all these artists as you go along, im so excited to check them all out
My one complaint about this video is it kind of skips over the 2010s pop punk scene: bands like The Story So Far, The Wonder Years, Real Friends, Man Overboard, etc. They definitely kept the scene alive while the mainstream moved on. Good video overall, though!
such a pleasure to be a part of this!!
This was so informative hearing another take on this era of music. Thank you for making this! There were some artists names here that I didn't know
Great episode! Glad to see the new gen come up and make their own noises
It's so cool that you all talked to Fefe Dobson and Meet Me @ the Altar! I had no idea that she wrote all those songs for other artists.
The 2010s is literally when I hit adulthood and discovered the music. I listen to a bunch of Paramore, Fall Out Boy, and typically heavier stuff like Dance Gavin Dance which sometimes gets kinda poplike imo.
Dance Gavin Dance is a GREAT shout. I think their vocalist after that first EP (what a banger) and first album isn't too great, but their musical style is so unique and those first releases by them are absolutely bonkers, in the best way
@@sphenodon2016 I thought Kurt was OK and Tilian has grown on me in a big way over the years. I gush over the band's musicality with a homie all the time.
pop punk isn't within the ballpark of "heavy"... black metal for life.
None of these bands really have anything to do pop punk
@@nicholasbullock9276 black metal is probably the shittiest music out their, except for weakling
very informative & organized video! great work
I can't believe you didn't mention Machine Gun Kelly and his ginormous album, or that Travis Barker has been working on the pop-punk revival for years. That said, thanks for putting Fefe Dobson up there. She has written and performed some fantastic songs, and "Start All Over" for Miley is a personal fave.
I was thinking too
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Before watching I'm going to guess because a new generation is romanticizing the records their parents love, the aesthetic, and we now have a chance to have Pop Punk without all the sexual assault.
Pretty much lol
Yea..kinda like eating a plant burger 🍔 ...it sorta is meat.
Without the sexual assault, but add a victim complex and a cell phone in their pocket.
The new pop punk sucks tho.. there's no creativity.
@@Fullcollapse1 I think new bands are good just all these solo artists who decide they want to do punk are straight ass
There has been two pop punk revivals actually. I realise the newer one is all hyped and truly pop, but there was a brief underground power pop/pop punk/hardcore revival in the early 2010s represented by Ovens, Spanish Love Songs and Jeff Rosenstock.
These musicians and their audience are basically millenial hardcore heads or "real emo" heads trying out new avenues. I wanna highlight them because without their influence, the gen Z scene might be very different.
I have no idea how modern baseball and that entire scene wasn’t included in the video.
Yeah, I think the easycore/breakdown pop punk bands like State Champs, Neck Deep, The Wonder Years, Four Year Strong, Title Fight, etc. get overlooked easily because they came out at kind of a weird time. They were basically too late for the early-mid 2000s pop punk boom, but also too early for the current solo artist boom. Kind of a bummer.
The early 2010’s had a huge pop-punk revival with bands like The Story So Far, The Wonder Years etc.
It still wasn't as mainstream though right?
@@al3459 I mean, those numbers those bands put up were insane
@@al3459 Why does it matter if it's mainstream? Still doesnt change the fact that pop punk never went away when it was infact very very strong. Besides, bands like the story so far or the wonder years were borderline mainstream at a point. Just on the fringes.
@@commodore6430 Nobody said it "went away" like disappeared from existence. They just mean "went away" in a mainstream sense. Back then I could listen to MCR and then Rihanna would play next in the same radio station. That's actually insane, but that doesn't happen anymore. It's starting to happen again with the new bands.
@@EthanRom The title of this video literally says "why did pop punk disappear"...
My heart jumped when I saw Meet Me @ The Altar's name. I am so proud of them.
Love the fact that pop punk is making a revival, especially now that Tom is back in Blink. I’d love to see the culture of the 90s and 2000s make a comeback, and I’ll be right here waiting. Who’s with me though??
Thank you for remembering the Descendants.
I love the pop punk revival but you forgot one of the biggest influences for the new pop punk wave, machine gun Kelly, tickets to my downfall was a huge album for the punk pop scene and went number 1 which caused a lot of his fans which were rap fans to look more into punk pop which was a big part in its revival
Kids love it, the scene hates it
@@m-tetsuo no matter who enjoys it or not it still went number 1 and inspired many artists to hop on the wave
Something I liked about this genre was the lack of rhyming lyrics or couplets to move songs forward. Not all bands or songs, but enough of them would use rough or fast riffs combined with emotional punches instead
Love me some pop punk! I'm happy that I got to experience some of those last years of Warped Tour. I got to see Pinkshift live in our hometown and it was a great show! I bought tickets to When We Were Young and I'm hoping it's not a scam and that it's a fun experience lol.
went to the Warped in New Jersey in 2016, I'll never forget how amazing it was to just be around a bunch of people who enjoyed the music I listen to
@@sphenodon2016 Yes, I had the best time running to the different stages getting to catch some of my favorite bands!
Definitely a scam
Love this video!
Would love to see you guys do a video on electrocore like The Rapture and LCD Soundsystem or the garage band revival of the early 2000s like Franz Ferdinand and The Strokes
I just saw Meet Me @ The Altar last night, and they kicked ass! Their lead singer is extremely talented (as was the whole band) and reminded me of a cross between Hayley Williams (Paramore) and Amy Lee (Evanescence).
Omg I LOVE Fefe Dobson!
Tell her yourself! She posted her own comment the day after yours that you can reply to.
Really forgot to mention MGK and his album tickets to my downfall which is probably one of the biggest parts in the pop punk revival okayyyyy
Lol that shit isnt pop punk.... Its pop music literally
First panic at the disco album is insane. Not really a pop punk fan but always loved that one
I'm happy to see so many Black Artist in the scene now. Growing up being the only Black Emo kid in my school in the 2000s life was rough. I got picked on a lot. Bullied and called named like f*gg*t, Traitor to my race, N*gga hater and the most Common one is that I sounded and acted "White" all because I listened to Emo, Pop Punk and Metal and didn't speak like I didn't know basic English.
I truly wish I had a Meet me @ the Altar and KennyHoopla back in my day. 13-17 Year old me would be so happy right now. :)
And if a white boy listened to rap and got beaten by skinheads, it would be reported as hate-motivated violence. You see how black people tend to be privileged as trivial as listening to music genres
Pop punk was my fav. As a young black girl we only had Fefe Dobson.
Also the creators in the video are very talented.
So happy you mentioned the Disney “pop rock” albums. It for sure got me into the scene
Fefe Dobson is the reason I feel like I can make rock music in todays era. I love her
Travis Barker, Yungblud, ModSun, Avril Lavigne and Machine Gun Kelly are the most important names in this revival🔥🔥🔥
i think you just named probably the worst group of musicians in existence aside from travis barker who has probably just finally gone insane.
FEFE Dobson.... I love you!
Where's Avril? She's the queen
You guys should also talk about the band Red handed denial, such band has never let the scene die.
Oh shit, I forgot ab Fefe. I loved her.
My first comeback Pop punk song was definitely MGK's Bloody Valentine!! And when I found the album it was from, Concert For Aliens became my favorite one!!!
Did you ever finish/release that song at the end?
Lol no mention of MGK, who I think one of the artist that had success in Pop Punk being in the charts during this pandemic.
Don’t forget The Linda Lindas. They’re awesome!
Peaceful Meadows - One and Only...an unheard-by-many pop-punk classic
Indded, when I was 6 to 10 years old, Pop Punk was everywhere.
Yall should've mentioned avrils influence and how she came I the genre even though she wasn't as much of a pop punk singer
I recommend Trippie Redd's punk/emo stuff too. "SWIMMING" and "WITHOUT YOU" are classics already.
his songs with blackbear and mgk are great too
As much as i love pop punk i think its important to note the 2010s pop punk as it was still alive and kept alive through deviations. It felt a lot more personal than the 2000s and to disregard that is a little disrespectful. I'm still happy to see people especially bipoc express themselves without being bullied like i was. My hope is this generation will innovate the sound but its not looking like it and this maybe a fad rather than a revival.
2010s pop punk wasn’t really mainstream though, and don’t get me wrong, I wish the bands of that time like The Story So Far and Neck Deep got a lot more success.
So… what I see is a video on Pop-Punk Revival Gen Z Edition - but what I’m hearing is that: not only is LA sitting on the gospel drumming shed footage from previous seasons - he also has a trove of pop-punk closet fan drum shedding he’s going to release as well… 😁😁😁
Maybe the 20 yr fashion cycle is a thing is music too? We have access to so much music now with streaming.
Also, the emerging artists in their 20's may have listened to pop punk, punk and alternative as kids, so I'm sure it has a heavy influence on their sound.
I wasn't allowed to listen to mainstream music, but even I had Relient K, and Barlow Girl.
I can't believe I'd be alive long enough to see pop punks third revival! 💖☠️💖☠️
Because of the pandemic, political unrest and an overall sense of exhaustion, Emo and Alternative music and culture in general were bound to make a comeback. Ppl are craving music that is a bit darker, a bit heavier, but you can still sing along to.
Thinking about it. I really never thought about it but yes you're right. There is such a thing as Pop Punk , aha! In your opinion thePretenders, B-52s , Devo,, Talking Heads or Blondie, would they qualify?
Those bands are usually considered New Wave, which was heavily influenced by both older pop and punk, so in a way yes
@@prufrockrenegadeagreed they took both genres an kinda smashed them together
Meh, the Talking Heads are more of a post-hardcore/new wave band in the way that their music actually has a form of technical complexity in it.
Well this is a lot less bad than I was expecting. There’s basically a huge world of DIY pop punk that it ignores but I expected that
(Haven't finished the video) I'm wondering if this revival could mean bringing back other rock genres as well, maybe more alternative rock, someone said nu metal below, maybe even smaller sub genres like shoegaze could make a little return, I'm excited to see what's in store!
Pop Punk was the soundtrack of the majority of Teenage Disney Movies of early 2000s
Well, I'm not a pop punk fan: though it is catchy and fun, I usually find myself quite bored after two or three songs. If we are talking about punk revivals, I think it is more interesting the newer wave of post punk bands, such as Black Country New Road, Black Midi or Idles. I don't want to say that pop punk isnt' any good: a matter of taste, I guess. Anyways good video, as usual :)
The whole Windmill scene (BCNR, Squid, black midi) is pretty fun, yes, although I do worry it's getting a bit overexposed given the ridiculous amount of coverage these bands are getting, and I'll admit, I was pretty sceptical of that first black midi record! To me, it just felt like some (admittedly very talented) teenagers who really liked Pere Ubu and Don Caballero trying to merge the two, which is certainly an unusual mix but isn't nearly so groundbreaking as people made it out to be. And the songwriting just… wasn't there for me? I hate to be so negative, but it felt like a bit of a tempest in a teapot.
@@ConvincingPeople Though I appreciate the scene, I definitely agree with you. For example, when I first listened to BCNR debut album (which I really appreciate) I had to notice that some parts were basically ersatz Slint. And I totally agree with you about the risks of overexposition. I think this is because of the traditional British hype for the "next big thing": from Oasis to Arctic Monkeys to Libertines, many bands were overexposed, making impossible to have a calm and objective discussion about the hypothetical quality of their musical proposal. Nonetheless I am happy and curious to see what these lads are going to do in the future, and I think their unoriginal proposal may have the potential to find new expressions for rock music.
ok yeah but idles isn't pop punk. it's straight up punk.
@@im_so_bored3896 neither is Black Midi lol he said post-punk
I thought Black Midi was noise or post rock
Fantastic video - and a really interesting look at how this sound is coming back. I won't fib, I'm definitely NOT terribly aware of current trending, but I did love Green Day (still do). Even if I wasn't a teen in the 2000s, heh. I am 100% all here for the comeback though, especially with more diversity. I feel like punk really has always been about calling out the world's bullsh*t, and there's certainly plenty of THAT to call out for women and especially for POC.
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Yeah Fefe!!!
Yes! Bring the genre back!
There are some pop-punk bands who promote respectfulness and disadvantaged artists: The Wonder Years' lead singer Soupy always pushes artists with femme vocalists and he's been a big proponent of Meet Me @ The Altar and even appears on a remix/version of one of their songs.
Proud of these guys. Keep doing you. No genres.
I love meet me @ the alter 🤩
They should do a Episode on new Jack swing next
I love the song Antagonist by the Nova Twins. They are a Black female duo from the UK thst are like pop punk meets nu metal.
You forgot Avril Lavigne she was back after 3 years
Disney pop punk from Miley, Demi, Selena had a major influence me!! I loved this video ♥️
Has someone who never stopped listening to ska it was a solid genre. Big fan of mm@ta too
There’s a great documentary about The Descendents called “Filmage”
I ADORE pop punk and I'm currently in my scene phase, I'm REALLY hoping that it stays!
wow you just completely ignore the dominance of the 1990s by Green Day and the Orange county scene? it wasn’t just green day!? geez… The Muffs for a start! The Spazzys The Donna’s, Eddy Suppression Ring… all the japanese bands!! you’re missing so much of the scene.
wow did not expect to see Cherym get a mention. Everyone should check them out, love some local Irish representation!
No mention of Story So Far or Neck Deep, State Champs?😭
I don't think people realize how important Fefe Dobson was. She was a voice for the Alt-Black at a time when that representation wasn't there.
no love for Alkaline Trio? that's cold. From Here To The Infirmary/Good Mourning/Crimson are just as good as anything Blink or Sum 41 ever put out.
The PowerPuff theme song is pretty cool too!
I'm not sure if it fits the genre as you're describing it, but Skating Polly are very punky, and have loads of pop melodies over the top. I suspect their influences are not the same sort of punk, so they sound more like the early 90s than the early 00s.
Just a conjecture, but I think that some changes in guitar production and marketing may have contributed to this rise. In the 2000s, any guitar that costed under around 350 USD was likely garbage, and garbage in a way that hindered the enjoyment of playing. Additionally, the marketing for guitars was still aimed at (white) men who had income (so like the 21+ age range). But throughout the 2010s guitar production got way better, and now you can get a decent guitar for 150-200 USD. And Fender really made an effort to expand their advertising demographic because they figured out they'd make more money getting women (and non-anglo people secondarily, and people under 18 tertiarily) into guitar. Add in the pandemic, which gave people a chance to just learn guitar, which encourages thorough engagement with guitar-oriented music, and you've got the rise of guitar oriented music again.
Just in the last few days been listening to some modern pop punk. I feel like for a lot of them you can hear which band they're borrowing most of their inspiration from; which I don't hate: I really just want more of the music I grew up with. But there's one mid-2000s band that none of them sound like: My Chemical Romance.
If anyone knows any bands that have popped up that sound like them lmk please.
I'm heavily biased (look at my username), but I think a large reason behind that is that the band doesn't have a "signature sound" per se. I can't really describe it but it's closer to the vibe of the band, theatrics, and the actual personalities behind the band. I don't think another band has been able to replicate all three of those factors.
The Black Parade gets a lot of the meme content like the G-Note, but it's really tied to that specific album. In Bullets, they have heavier songs like Honey, Vampires Will Never Hurt You, and Our Lady of Sorrows. However, they also have Headfirst for Halos that has more of a traditional pop-punk sound. Not to mention a song like Early Sunsets Over Monroeville which takes some more "traditional" emo inspiration from bands like Mineral.
In Three Cheers they refined that formula but still has a lot of different sounds. I'm Not Okay also gets a lot playtime but the album also has tracks like I Never Told You... and Thank You for the Venom.
The Black Parade is them at their most dramatic but once again you see the diversity in sounds from Dead! and Mama.
Danger Days was a love letter to all the punk bands from the 70s and 80s that they listened to. You can really hear the influence of the Stooges' Search and Destroy in Party Poison.
Pinkshift's song "I'm gonna tell my therapist on you" is a great song though I don't sonically hear any similarity to MCR. However, the general energy of the song reminds me of Three Cheers.
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Oh shit🤘💜
We can't forget that Avril Lavigne was huge in pop punk in early oo's
Sipeo - I’m Dead!
Where can we buy your song?
people remembered that it's f'ing kickass? i'm glad it's back
The music never dies!! They just sleep to wake up
Thank you MGK and Travis
Having grown up in the punk 80s, and being othered by the scene simply because I was a girl, it's so good to see this diversity!
Fefe Dobson was the SHIT THANKS FOR REMINDING ME OF HER 💜💜💜💙💜💜💜💙💙💙