Debating Sam Seder On Crime
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
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Thank you for exposing how dumb the Left is. They don't live in the real world.
That had 43k views? Did u pull it cos of the volume? was a bit low?
The way people use the term “bad faith” and “dishonesty” is infuriating. Sam is BIASED to his opinions. His ideology drives his positions. The data he chooses to cherry pick, informs that position. It’s not exactly ignorance, but certainty that his position is based in reality.
Just like many of you don’t actually arrive at your conclusions using data or facts. You just go with whatever fits to your political bias. A conservative holding the positions actual Justice warrior holds regarding crime is usually not reality based , just moral luck.
Sean is a definitely an exception, being that he has many positions which are contrary to your typical conservatives who doesn’t arrive at a conclusion using deduction/logic but ideological bias.
I’m sure he has some area where he assumes a position is a true without evidence but Sam Seder and many progressives are extremely guilty of doing this. While morally grandstanding about their righteous beliefs.
great debate...rob noerr would love to chat with you if youre willing to. hes a poltiical twitch/yt streamer on the right
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I'm 20 mins in. So far Seder hasn't really made any points, he's just asking Sean hostile questions and cutting him off before he can finish with more questions. Support you Sean, but not sure I can stand to finish this if this is what he's gonna be like the whole time.
It gets more fun
@@ActualJusticeWarrior
Sean you let Sam dictate almost all of the entire conversation, you could've totally embarrassed him like Emma, I hope you get another shot at him, knowing Sam, you most likely won't, please be less humble with leftists
This is the Socratic method. You don’t make any points, you ask questions that seem simple BUT intentionally designed to require greater explanation. Because your opponent has to be wordy, they either 1) trip over themselves and say something apparently contradicting, or 2) lose the audience in a too-wordy response.
@ActualJusticeWarrior It doesn’t. And I tell you this as a fan - you are a poor debater. You don’t know how to deal with sophistry. I mean, I don’t either, but I don’t try to debate people. Please PLEASE take some more instruction in debate before engaging in more. Again, huge fan of your work.
@@chrlpolkSean would absolutely shred you in a debate, kid. You're of average intelligence. Just like most people.
Watching Sam's chat and seeing any comment that would side with AJW and denounce Sam get instantly deleted from the chat was the most telling part of this entire video. Time and time again I watched someone mention how Sam's argument was wrong/flawed and then BAM it's nuked in less than 2 seconds. If you have to delete people's chats to try to silence anyone that disagrees with you, the argument has already been lost. Absolutely ridiculous lol
". . . to try to. . . ."
WOW! You didn't say "to try and," but instead correctly wrote _to._ I'm impressed!
One of the mods said "Nazi don't get opinions. They get the gulag". Like so kewl
The weird part is I admitted Sam won the debate in AJW's chat and got banned shortly after. So much for free speech.
@@jackeagleeye3453no you didn't
the capitalist says life is a competition, okay says the "criminal" you live by the sword, you lose your wallet !
Everything Tim Pool said about Sam Seder was proven in this video.
what did he say
@nagantm441 that Sam isn't looking to actually debate. That all he's looking for is a gotcha clip that he can take out of context for clicks.
Sam is the golden example of a bad faith actor. It's clear in this video that his goals are not to actually debate an idea and make factual justification for his stances. He wants to smear the other side by labeling his opponents as bad people instead of a person with a bad stance/idea.
@@bantz2588 thanks
Watching different videos apparently. The entire premise that the brief increase in crime was directly due to BLM is bonkers. Only makes sense if you are stuck in a culture war mindset where BLM are evil anarchists and you hear that everyday.
😂😂😂 Tim Pool is an incel clown with a bunch of 4chan members as his audience. Take off his beanie and you’ll see his character-completely empty.
Sam: makes shitty, smarmy argument
Sean: Refutes with stats and facts
Sam: Let's move on
Haha 😂 that was exactly it
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6tt no one cares what you love
Dude has a whole team trying to feed him information and he’s still getting smoked. This is incredible. Sean’s best performance. Sam tried so many dirty tactics and Sean never bit on them
All Sean does is back up his opinions with facts. That's like kryptonite to leftist
Lol but he tries to dunk on Sean because he didn't memorize statistics for 50 states
For a leftist their opinion is obvious and you can “just google it.” But if you offer yours even if its common knowledge its “source bro where’s your source do you have a source on that.”
really impressive, as much as people call Sam out in comments, hes a very strong debater, he sets traps all night and is very good at controlling the discussion. Sam Seder is really good at debates in this format thats his bread and butter
@@JeffPenaifyI haven’t seen seeder on other topics but, I hope he is better than he is on this topic. Dude failed even though he was getting help.
I’d imagine that crime is dropping because the DA’s are not prosecuting crimes and dropping charges left and right.
Or police not even attending, or people not phoning the police cause they never attend.
That's the attitude of the left.
"If we simply legalize the crime then it's no longer an issue."
Blows my mind that he was also acting like he didn’t understand what Sean was explaining by pointing out that crime dropping a little (and still above the norm), after historical rises wasn’t the W he thought it was.
If you change the laws and stop calling certain activities crimes,, like Democrats do, then crime statistics will drop, but the amount of people being victimized doesn't.
Well, the crime stats are off of reports, not cases prosecuted… but NOT prosecuting criminals encourages repeat offenders to commit more crimes, not the opposite. If a criminal knows they’ll get a slap on the wrist and be out of jail in a short period of time for Grand Theft Auto, they’re going to do it again because the consequences are worth the risk… That said, it’s not the lack of prosecution that effects the crime stats, it’s the lack of police on the ground to respond and take reports. I’d argue that more crime is still happening, but people aren’t even bothering to call the police or make reports, especially because of the anti-police sentiment, they are less likely to call the cops and make a report in the first place. Those who are calling the cops are normal people, not woke-skulled Liberals, moderates and Republicans and Liberal Democrats that don’t enjoy being victims of crime… So, it’s the lack of cops, cops not policing areas for fear of getting shot, police retiring at higher rates like Sean pointed out, and the fact that less crimes are reported overall… but it doesn’t mean the crimes aren’t happening, and that’s the most disingenuous argument by Sam Seder. He’s an absolute fool if he think under funded and reduced staff in police forces doesn’t directly correlate to their inability to respond to most crimes, and when police don’t respond to a call about a crime that isn’t as high on the priority hierarchy, then the people just give up and stop reporting in general. Do you know how many times I was a victim of a crime in my life and I didn’t report it? Many many times. Lots of people don’t want the hassle knowing the police most likely won’t investigate, and won’t solve it.
“So cops don’t really prevent crimes right…?”
“So let me get this right… if a person commits multiple crimes, you want to lock them up because you think the crime rate will go down?” That’s wiiiild.
Congratulations Sean for remaining professional while debating with Sam. He is so annoying. He won't let you finish a thought and when you're trying to make your position he cuts you off and tries to strawman what he thinks your position is before you can finish explaining it. Complete DB.
For sure. And he goes off on these side trails that lead nowhere. I've forced myself to follow him on these and they end up pointless each time. So strange how the left sees him as a savior.
Sam is an expert in not letting his opponent get away with spewing falsehoods. I know it’s probably unusual to you clowns, but Sam cares about facts & data while Sean is only interested in pushing a narrative and using VERY SELECTIVELY deceitful statistics in his favor.
@@Eon-Blue What falsehoods? Sean literally gave public stats throughout the entire debate, while Sam's team kept having to Google handpicked data to give Sam in retort.
@@networknomad5600 Sean gave selective public stats throughout the entire debate-and Sean is supposed to be the expert, not Sam. The first example that comes to mind is when Sam has to remind Sean that in 2023, crime rates are down in New York because Sean is only using data from 2022 and prior. The next example that Sean conveniently decides not to talk about is the entire state of Texas, Houston specifically. Every single category of crime there is almost double (if not more) than NYC. He continues to make a claim that the “problem” is lack of police funding causing the lack of policing but Sam continues to remind him that VIRTUALLY nowhere have the police budgets actually been cut. Sean continues to overestimate (key work being estimate) the so-called problems of the nonexistent lack of police funding but makes giant leaps of faith to ASSUME what the problems and solutions to crime are. Sean is only good for memorizing crime statistics but when it comes to applying critical thinking to the statistics, or even providing a fair context to them, he falls flat on his face. Sean, much like many right wingers, sounds smart to your average buffoon but anyone with the bare minimum of critical thinking skills, or anyone who knows how to use Google, can easily see beyond his facade.
@Eon-Blue I'm also curious on these facts and data.
The people dismissing 300 murders in Sam's chat by saying there are 8 million people in New York is crazy.
These are the same people who would say 1 death is a good justification for rioting in major cities...
Whining and arguing about coof and pedestrian stats whilst ignoring a sanctuary State importing members, wholesale from many of South America's most notorious Gang's.
But not that long ago they were attacking us for not getting the shot to. save 89 year old grandma.
@@ruminating1596While putting Covid patients in Nursing Homes.
Commies don't care about human life. People are just numbers to them.
I think Sean's biggest crime here is underestimating how bad faith Sam Seder is capable of being.
Sean is just not a good debater. Good content creator, probably a good guy, but he could uses some debate classes to learn to deal with countering basic techniques. Look up “Gish gallop” and you’ll see that’s what Sam did, and Sean fell for it time and again. As he always does. He needs to learn to avoid these traps instead of biting the bait.
@@chrlpolk I think he did well with Vaush and Lance.
@@chrlpolk Did you not pay attention? Sam isn't even using debate tactics here, he's TELLING Sean what his own argument is, because he's assuming the others point and not actually addressing the argument. The goal posts are changed, and removed at will while the old retard drones on and on. Did you not notice the part where he started with why crime is decreasing then switches to deaths from covid? No transition, just straight up darts around.
@chrlpolk really? I thought he did very well.
@@chrlpolkSean is actually pretty good at debate lol
crushed a lot of people on modern day debate
Sam: "I'm very surprised you don't know this...I really thought you would know this...."
Also Sam: *Having to wait for minutes for him to look up something he doesn't know and has to read in real time*
He says that, and the other thing he does is blatantly go “well, I don’t see how there is correlation”, even after told there is correlation. Which a lot of people don’t realize this, but he ignores logic on purpose and isn’t just being a denialist. He’s doing this to farm clips later on, because 30 seconds of someone talking is what the average viewer pays attention to.
Sean: "Crimes are down, but only because there was a major spike in crime"
Sam: "Ok but you admit crimes are down?"
Sam is a grifter lol
Sam's a grifter because he's right? LOL
@@kornbass3033 half* right. Therefore, a lying grifter, by default.
@@galaxyofreesesking2124 I don't think you know what grifting is, lol
@@kornbass3033 "grift
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
verb
engage in petty or small-scale swindling.
"
The fact that he lied about crime dropping, through omission, shows that he only cared to emphasize part of the truth -- not the entire truth. A grifter would do this, by definition, in order to swindle his two-bit audience into believing false information. Information like "the gigantic spike in crime is irrelevant, only when i say it is."
He never denied that it spiked though, you reactionary dope@@galaxyofreesesking2124
When you're debating a dishonest person, I'm not convinced there's much you can do to actually hold to an actual debate.
how is sam dishonest?
@@salty4 Well he is a leftist. Leftists are world renowned liars.
@@salty4he is a slippery spineless coward. He pivots, asks dishonest questions, misrepresents Sean, and tries to bait him into saying things he can use to smear him.
@@salty4 Telling half truths. He also Argues in bad faith many times
@@salty4lies by omission, embellishment, strawman, charged language, misrepresentation, cherrypicking and many more unscrupulous rhetorical devices. You can watch them all get picked apart on the Sitch and Adam podcast
Alternate title: “Sam Seder Takes Second L in Two Days”
Why does he continue to debate if he is so terrible at this. Can't he see how he fumbles every time?
@@misha130 He operates under the philosophy of "Hah! I am bleeding, making me the victor!"
If he doesn’t have to publicly change his position on any topic, it doesn’t matter. He can say he debated, and never bring up the details.
@@misha130 He usually waits for idiots to challenge him so he seems smarter by comparison.
@misha130 look at the comments on his stream of this. There are mouth breathing idiots who think he dominated this debate. They're not smart enough to recognize bad faith tactics.
Great job, Sean!! Any average Joe that doesn't know Jack about politics could easily see that Sam is arguing in complete bad faith while desperately trying to appear cordial and balanced. We all know that's what he does,but your demeanor and clear expression of points should sway any average person who happened to tune in. Sam at least had you on. A 100% corrupt person wouldn't allow that. He's 90% Slimeball.
Seder pulling out a Bloomberg article that ended up disproving his argument without even noticing 😂😂😂 is HILARIOUS 😂😂😂
I tip my hat off to anyone who wishes to expose themselves to this much Sam Seder.
Me, I'm not that kind of person.
20 min in and I can't stand him
I looked at his channel once saw: "How Communist Cuba ingeniously solved racism." and clicked off.
It is clear nothing of value can be learned from that channel.
Yeah, he’s always been INCREDIBLY hard to listen to for more than a few minutes.
@@robyee3325 A lobotomy might help. Why a strong person would waste their time, I don't know.
I'm not that strong of a character. It's brain melting. Just his self satisfied smugness and general greasy dishevelment.
This was beautifully done. You did a good job at not letting him cut you off and fully getting your point across. Sam looked like an absolute moron.
So he looked like what he is.
Sam doesn't need help to look like an absolute moron
You misspelled "asshole"
Sam looks like an absolute moron because he is. He doesn't need someone else's help to show it
@@nickmccarter2395 well you got me there
Good on you Sean for staying calm and rational. Sam was not only being unnecessarily combative and just plain dickish, but trying every trick in the disengenous debating handbook. Starting out with "You're the expert, I'm the layman ...", repeatedly saying "So what you're saying is ... " then strawmanning Sean, and of course the constant interruptions. I popped over to Sam's posting of this same debate because I was curious to read the comments, and couldn't help but notice how in his version Sean's sound quality is awful and his volume level way lower than Sam. Perhaps Majority Report just happens to have a super crappy production team but I wouldn't be surprised if they do that on purpose, as I remember Tim Pool having a similar complaint.
That's kind of his MO and the reason people won't platform him.
@@ericwood1569That's not the reason people don't platform him. lol. Sam is a policy wonk. There's not much to be gained politically from debating him. Right wing UA-camrs wants to be able to get "SJW gets dunked on!" clips like it's 2014.
It's much more advantageous to debate idiots like Lance (The Serfs) and first year college students who have no ability to debate, *whether they are right or wrong about a given topic.* Tim easily goaded Lance into saying that 9 month abortions for any reason are fine. haha. *That's the kind of clip they want.* Complete insanity.
To a lesser extent, the same applies for David Pakman. He embarrassed Ben Shapiro a few years ago by asking simple questions - *I doubt Ben will ever go back on his show.* The same thing happened to Tim Pool with Sam.
I'm looking at this objectively. If you go back to the early to mid 2010s, *a lot of left wingers were scared to do debates* besides the odd outlier like Cenk Uygur. The left wing was laughably weak during that period. A lot of right wingers were able to rise to prominence who can't debate to save their lives.
@@idakev You may be right, but considering he never let Sean actually explain or really talk and constantly tried to tell Sean what his position was rather than asking. I have to assume that may be why people don't waste time debating him.
@@idakevBut even Sam's policy regurgitation is garbage. If he's really such a policy wonk... he's a terrible one.
Sam's point about "investigators" is the most obvious example of his dishonesty throughout the discussion. There are many examples of his dishonesty, but that one really crystalizes it for me. Also, Sean, you did a really nice job of consistently correcting Sam whenever he would try to ascribe a position/statement to you that you don't believe and/or never said. For example, you would say something like, "A large portion of the increase in crime is attributable to the public's attitude toward policing following the George Floyd riots." Then, Sam would try to ascribe a false belief to you by saying something like, "So you think the increase in crime is because of attitudes towards police rather than the massive worldwide pandemic?!?" You would consistently correct him and explain the nuance of your statements/beliefs. Very well done. Sam took an L for sure. It'll be difficult for him to find a 15 second clip that makes you look bad by taking you out of context, but I'm sure he'll find a way.
That part really annoyed me. Investigators are the backbone of law enforcement. The number 1 problem a criminal has to navigate is being investigated for their crimes.
@@megamax898 the pos definitely playing dumb, investigation does pretend crime, because you are stopping a person continoue to commit crime. Also before that he mentione the staffing member increase vs 15 years ago, first of all it is 15 years ago and there are so many factors that may affect the situation, when a very recent figure already tell a clear picture, and Sam is ignore that; 2ndly the population numbers are likely differnet. Sam are either a df or a evil person.
Sam "I'm suprised you've never heard of this article written yesterday" Seder has never been so insufferable. 😂😂😂
Most underrated comment of all time. Whats even more is insufferable is the guy laughing in the background, on sams "set", lmao. Just too smug, while being so wrong.
@@donaldwalrus4029
Notice how Sean was waiting patiently whilst Sam and his team were taking however long to find their articles but when Sean on his own took a minute to find information Sam would berate him with snarky comments.
@@liamscott1905 That's kind of what you get for debating leftists. You don't debate them, you shoot them.
@@liamscott1905 Exactly, Sam has a team writing him messages and showing his articles on Sam's computer while they sit off screen. I'ts pretty pathetic. Not surprised.
It's hard to take Sam "there's less trees in black neighborhoods so it's hotter during summer therefore white supremacy" Seder seriously
When you stop arresting people for crime it doesn’t mean crime is down…it means you’ve stopped policing it.
Reduce every theft to larceny and every assault to disturbing the peace or something
Crime rates and arrest rates are two different things.
@@rico-lj8te Yeah. But a crime nobody reports doesnt magically end up in the statistic
And what do you gain? A few years of narrative until everyone figures it out and the pendulum comes screaming back? At the current rate people are headed toward treating car thieves like horse thieves, either that or building John Carpenter's wall...
Debating Sam Seder on crime is like debating a crackhead on the economics of investing in a diversified portfolio meant to mitigate your risks and maximize returns.
Addendum: Specifically a New York crackhead... oh wait...
And......its gone
Every 19 year old after taking micro econ be like
But he was right regardless, your savior nerd ajw here needs to stop being emotional
@@DAQ73 kids get your popcorn, and adjust the am radio...were sitting down for a good feature length "Projection"
Someone who has a channel like yours that is unironically trying to be serious is pretty hilarious.
The only reason any crime stats have dropped is simply because that city/state is just not prosecuting criminals or even arresting them. You can’t have “out of control crime” if you’re not even going after the criminals at all.
That actually makes a lot of sense.
@@josephalbatross5961 That's why Sam couldn't comprehend it
@@jaymac2702 he lives in a gated community in west LA. in fact i know the exact address. he doesnt see or experience any of the crime or degeneracy directly.
What's the data for that? Or is it just an unfalsifiable claim?
@@darkdragonite1419 reports vs. convictions. they are at an all time inconsistency.
Sam has a whole team frantically trying to pull stuff up and Sean is pretty much just rebutting with facts and stats mostly from memory. Outstanding Sean 👏🏻
Who'd ave thought that glorifying, coddling, simping and celebrating criminality whilst systematically demonising, stigmatising,demoralising whilst defunding and hindering law enforcement would lead to rampant chaos?
God he really does have an entire team in the background pulling all this together so he doesn't have to use his half of a braincell, now thats a damning inditement of his audience right there who just keep clapping like seals.
Vincent James and Sean are.prob the two best on debating crime stats
Sam only had one guy
@@OliverNorth9729so twice as many people
Sam wanting to be specific until Sean brought up New Orleans and then immediately wanting to generalize was hilarious 😂
WAIT WAIT WAIT before we talk about a predominantly black area, let's zoom out to the entire country please😁
Couldn't even believe that happened. Sam's a fucking joke. I never really listened to him before but this was a horrible first impression for me
Time?
@@vadandrumist1670 right around 1:21:00 is when he first mentions it. Listen to a bit before though for context
Guess Sam taught Emma that as well 🤣
Haha i noticed that. Emma did the same thing when she debated Tim Pool
If DAs don’t charge criminals guess which way crime would go…🙄
Sam's perspective is perfectly encapsulated when he can't understand that the consequences of a reform are changed when combined with other reforms. Law X causes outcome 1, law Y causes outcome 2, but with their powers combined...
Also love how COVID caused everything in Sam's mind, as opposed to the government response. COVID didn't make your kid dumb, COVID didn't fire you, COVID didn't take away the presidents mental health.
You have to basis to draw a straight line to x and y. If so explain how you did it. We would love to see it
@@marshallkobethat's my point, it's not a straight line. It's two reforms being passed that create an unintended loophole. The specific part of the video is 15 mins in, but because a miscommunication or misunderstanding occurs, Sam thinks Sean is talking about a delayed effect or a specific singular item, however Sean is talking about a compounding effect (the law X and law Y structure I created). This effect is measured by the increase in crime and the way criminals operate (which they don't get into, or if they do I didn't last that long).
I mean, the pandemic did shut down schools so it did kind of make kids dumb for a while
@@Returnality my point exactly, the pandemic response was to shut schools down. A response that Sam supports without any acceptance of the nuance or impact of such action.
After getting destroyed by Sitch and Adam he decided to get destroyed by Ajw 😂
Sitch and Adam are bitches who are afraid of Atheism is Unstoppable
@@famalam943s&a are awful to watch or listen to. Droning on and on without actually ever getting anywhere while holding nothing but safe opinions.
@@bigcheese9096 sometimes but not all the time they just say that someth>NG is bad without explaining why it's bad like in their most recent stream about ramaswamy they just go "gold standard bad moving on"
@@bigcheese9096don't forget all of that PSYCHOLOGY they bring to the table. The way they go on you would think one of them was an actual psychologist.
@@famalam943 it doesn't have to be long it can just be a brief explanation and to be fair the reason they are so long is because of the superchats.
"1990's Joe Biden was harsher on crime and crime began to drop precipitously" - Sam Seder
He said the quiet part out loud. lol. He realized what he said instantly and then immediately went off on another tangent.
Bravo, Sean. Well frigging done.
The attitude against crime was very soft in the 70s. "Stick it to the man" they used to call it. And crime went way up. And in the 90s people were sick of it, our attitude shifted, we started locking people up, and crime went way down. And now we're back to being soft, not just because of 2020 but also the 2008 collapse and the feeling that corporations are fleecing us. There's some truth to that, but when people see that the criminals are mostly hurting poor and working people we're going to be back to the 90s attitude.
I almost gave up 15 minutes in. To anyone considering the same thing, stick around...it's worth it. Facts win and Sean has them on his side.
Lol....Connecticut is right next to us.....
Who cares about tiny little Connecticut?
@@gorkyd7912 Yep, exactly. And the Blk communities were begging for more policing and laws to stop thr crime.
Haha yup saw that Hella funny shot himself in the foot wit that one
Say what you want about him, Sam is a master of making the conversation as disjointed and hard to follow as possible, then rapping up with the confidence of a winner. “I watch Sam’s show to feel smarter.” 😆
Put this on while giving my dog a bath but we both felt gross till it ended. I knew Sam was slimey but damn, failing to win argument after argument, while pretending he isn't just now seeing random articles his team is scrambling to show him while ACTING smug about Sean not knowing every single specific law and article he (Sam) brings up was just...SPECIAL. Very special Sam. Loved how you went from almost shouting "IM TALKING ABOUT NATIONALLY!" to bringing up Connecticut as soon as you got your ass whooped again. Btw, I live next to AZ. I don't know anything about our different laws. Except for motorcycle helmets. There's being on a high horse, and then there's Sam with neck problems now looking down on folks from his entirely glass sky scraper 😂😂😂😂
Sam is such a disingenuous weasel. Props to Sean on his amazing composure throughout this entire debate.
HE'S A jEW
Hes filibustering
@@tob855yeah, Sean we agree.
Sam may be a weasel, but at least he's not a racist.
@@marcus_ohreallyus you are a child
I'm constantly questioning why he thinks people are scared of him.
It's pretty obvious Isn't it? He thinks people are scared of him, because he doesn't actually debate, he lies and strawmans etc to try and make his opponent look bad. Anyone doing that essentially can't lose, because they aren't playing the actual game. Therefore he thinks highly of himself and that everyone must be scared, because he will make them look bad.
Narcissism
Because he's a narcissist, projecting his own fear onto others.
Steve Crowder?
they are lol
No famous person on the right will debate him because he has literally destroyed all of them so far: Charlie Kirk, Tim Pool, Patrick David. Don't even talk don't even talk about Crowder 😂
Him and Denis Prager are actually running from him in real time
Did Sam get one point in on this? This is truly embarrassing.
Yeah, when he asked him how to explain the precise correlation between COVID and the crime spike, and all Sean could say is, "well its just 6 months into 2023...." So basically torpedoing his entire premise.
@@langdonboom I didn't know anyone as dumb as cedar existed... but I found you
@@langdonboomwrong! Sam is the one who thinks Covid is solely responsible for the crime. And if Sam is saying that this 6month decrease is a “trend” then we do have to wait and see the number since crime spikes in the summer. And the numbers are so close it could definitely stay the same. So Sams argument is pretty stupid since he’s hanging on to the 3.9% decrease so far this year like that’s proving the defund the police and bad dem policies aren’t creating all kinds of chaos across the country.
@@langdonboom So he doesn't have a point anymore because 6 months had passed? What if this was January?
@@langdonboom The absurdity is that Sam Seder is implying that the summer of protests and police hate (ACAB) has had no impact on crime.
I love how 2 minutes into the conversation where Sam asks what you studied and if you'd call yourself an expert some people are already going "Sam already destroyed him" in the chat. Seems awefully mature and secure of them to start saying that when the real discussion has yet to begin, just asking for the background is apparently enough to "destroy" someone.
lol they live off of assertions.
*gets destroyed for 5 minutes* "Whoa hey now dont be such a triggered ring winger !!eh chat?"
yeah i stopped reading comments cuz they were just "Sean destroyed" or ad hominems and calling sean an incel
Cause sam is a debater you could say he's a master debater
Sean knew which studies he was going to use. Multiple times. This was like watching that show Pros vs Joes.
Just watched the whole thing and had a look at the Majority Report’s comment section.
You did great Sean, particularly when Sam tried to muddy the waters by demanding national figures or statistics, and then tried to focus on Connecticut.
Sam’s audience are so disconnected from reality. They pretend that you said something you didn’t, call you a N@Z! or say you ha+E black people, then argue that Sam shouldn’t platform you, then argue with themselves over wage theft, then pretend you think shoplifters are worse than serial killers. You can’t even attempt to engage these people in debate as they’re to unhinged to even talk to. Insane.
Yeah, I find those comment sections best to avoid. It's a shame because some people want to find common ground, but going there will just leave you more depressed for the future than ever before
i think it's fair to say that almost all youtube comment sections, specifically on political channels, are echo chambers nowadays.
But yeah, some are definitely worse than others.
@@flutebasket4294 None of his audience wants to find common ground. Those are outsiders.
@@ZingoBananaa Not really.
@@EyeofValor what do you mean
Sam doesn't want to concede a single issue. He is just so dug in. Impossible to get through. You did a great job keeping your calm!
Which literally is proving Sean’s point
It's so annoying how leftists do that and they go for the pin (wrestling phrase) whenever they ask an annoying gotcha question designed to force an explanation that they can talk over.
I appreciate you having this discussion. This individual is completely disingenuous.
He bills himself as an intellectual but he comes across as the dumbest, "smart" person.
He is 100% a grifter.
It's always difficult to tell when Sam is being deliberately dishonest, when he's being actually dense, and when he's just utterly stuck in his ideological lens.
It is also really difficult to tell when he is asking a question in good faith and when he is asking a slimy, condescending question.
How about whenever he opens his mouth?
True
@@warzoneguy6089 True dat
He's at the point where he's a less funny to watch version of Cenk. Which when you think about it, is an incredibly sad place to be. At least the Buffalo makes me chuckle during his unhinged rants.
Sean you did a great job here, Sam looked like a Sophist throughout the debate. Due to your increased knowledge and analysis of the REAL situation relating to crime you were able to lock Sam down and show his dishonesty. His team shouting in the background showed how much of an echo chamber his set up is.
Doesnt look like a sophist. If sophist had a photo in a dictionary it would be Seder.
@@Bu11yMagu1re
Just call him Jewish
Poor people are trash.
🤣🤣🤣
Sam seeder easily made better points, had better arguments, had better facts and details anf substance.
The other guy is such a bad debater seemed clueless on any actual policies, or idea
@shortstuff780 Sam “The Debate God” Seder just got his head used as a mop by Sean Fitzgerald. Sam was constantly being fed info by his team and is still getting crushed in analytics and numbers by Sean. You’re coping hard. 😂😂😂
“Investigators don’t PREVENT crime, they SOLVE crime, right”
It was at this moment that I lost interest in anything Sam had to say
How can someone not understand that arresting the guilty is the ONLY thing that ever stops crime? Like what are we even talking about at this point?
It's one of the moments that you only get when someone is trying to discredit every single point their opposition is making instead of having a logical argument.
@@megamax898 you’re right my man
36:52 "We encourage you all to bully the AJW fans in chat." Says a lot about his followers
The fact that Sam and his crew need to delude themselves in to thinking Sam is feared is astounding. This is the third time now I've seen him debate someone from the political sphere of online discourse and he has been smoked in each and every one. He first debated Destiny and he flopped, he then debated Adam and Sitch and got absolutely smoked, and then he debated AJW and got bodied.
He can't keep to a single line of questioning, he tried to cut you off after he realizes you have an answer, and then he immediately tries to pivot the second you give him the luxury of taking his questions seriously.
I'm so glad that people from the online politics sphere decided to debate him and his crew because it has thus far demonstrated exactly why people discarded him as not being worthwhile that we have three direct examples not only of him being shown as incapable of stepping on to the the fighting floor, but also absolutely painful to even attempt talking to.
Here's a hint, Sam. The thing about bad-faith tactics is that they can work ONLY if you deploy them as specific moments but if 90% of what you're doing is bad-faith tactics then it becomes undeniable and unavoidable that it's what you're doing, and we all noticed it, Sam. This was round three, before round 1 nobody took you seriously and when you attempted to prove them wrong about you all you did was cement the fact that you aren't feared in the slightest, you're just a dumb dumb who you can barely communicate with because even you realize when you're getting bodied and will deploy bad-faith tactics (and still lose) every. Single. Time. You're not feared, you're discarded, Sam.
What is bad faith about asking Sean to examine his own assumptions? Sean clearly was working from a confirmation bias, which got exposed
@@langdonboom Give me a time stamp of where this happened and we'll start from there.
This was the most bad faith “debate” I have ever seen. All Sam did was factitiously ask Sean questions to try and trap him. Then when Sean would begin his answer Sam would constantly interrupt him before finishing his thought because Sam didn’t actually care about Sean’s position outside of just trying to move on to the next gotcha question.
A people say this guy is some master debater of leftist politics 🤣🤣
I’m just going to say it - Sean is terrible at debating. He doesn’t know how to deal with sophistry. He has the facts, but he is clearly outmatched by the twisting and turning. Facts are nearly irrelevant at debating, and that’s a fact.
@@chrlpolklol yeah fucking right. Sean absolutely shredded this clown. Just like he did with that wh*re, Emma.
Maybe because sam didn't want to debate him but was pitying him.
@@OliverNorth9729 yeah, it's easy to pity someone like sam seder. He's such a spineless, pathetic clown. That's why Sean absolutely shredded him
@@OliverNorth9729 I've never watched someone let someone else beat them up because they pitied the guy. Face it, Sam has no defensible stance and has to obfuscate in any and every way to find dunks he can play up as "victories".
This was an absolute slaughter. Amazing job, Sean!
I just noticed that Sam is VERY good at saying something completely wrong and then when someone tries to correct him he STEAMROLLS them and talks as much as he can and when he is doing that he says 2-4 more things that he knows people will disagree with BUT he knows that he can defend those 2-4 NEW things that he can defend. If anyone could simply FORCE Sam to address what he is saying ON THING AT A TIME and refuse to move on before he changes the subject they would ruin Sam in a debate every time.
Name one thing Sam said that was wrong. Your entire comment is actually a criticism of SEAN. AJW (Sean) is the one gishgalloping in this debate.
@@Eon-Blue Sam got objectively rekt, cope trog.
@@Eon-Blue Holy crap, that is an insane thing to say, the ENTIRE debate Sam was getting papers passed to him and reading whatever his team could find in order to overwhelm the conversation with random info just because the headline of the story he was reading sounded like it agreed with him. As far as Sam being wrong, I would have to go back and watch it again and give you time stamps because he was wrong about almost EVERYTHING he said.
@@networknomad5600 cope, seethe and cry. Sean got lost the debate the moment he claimed that “crime causes poverty” 😂😂
@@philodox7599 and you won’t give me any time stamps because you can’t lol. Sam wasn’t wrong about anything, In fact Sean kept agreeing and saying “you’re right” whenever Sam brought up any statistics. Sean started to lose the debate when he kept arguing the “George Floyd Effect” which is just a giant grasp at straws with zero concrete evidence. Never make claims you can’t back up.
Amazing that Sam Seder will scream that Sean using specific examples and then turn around and use specific examples to support his argument.
Typical commie tactic. "I'm talking in generalities." "You're being too specific." "I don't know about that, you'll have to let me do research." "No, I have this specific scummy study in my hand right here."
That’s Sam Seder for ya!
What's the time stamp where Sam screamed?
@roadtotheskies5139 hey don't get mad man. It's just a UA-cam video. Don't get mad
@EnwardSnowman I asked a question I'm not mad Sally
The most aggravating thing about this debate is the complete lack of understanding of how not COVID but the REACTION TO COVID was the problem. Which is a very important distinction.
People are always conflating the two.
Also, I don't think it's the "reaction" to Covid as much as the "taking advantage of Covid" thing, to be even more specific.
@@Selrisitaiwe did blindly follow the lead of the Communists in China.
@@brentyoung4785 China has not been communist for decades now. Just because the CCP still has the word communist in it doesn't mean it to be true. North Korea is technically the "People's Republic". It's not a system determined by the people, nor is it a republic.
Very good point
@@CanadianEhHole Talk about missing the point.
Man you absolutely knocked this out of the park. You could tell it became clear for sam pretty fast that he was out matched. It was good to see sam be pretty normal with you. Definitely tried his stupid tactics but nothing you couldnt handle.
- Sam "let me pull up a news report from a far left news outlet".... Lmao and this guy thinks people are scared to debate him?
He's so ridiculously antagonistic. I can't imagine how miserable he must be. It would take a lot out of me to dishonestly malign people as often as possible.
Dinner with relatives must be a riot for him
well considering seans beliefs have been central to the americas approach against crime for like 3 decades and has resulted in america having the highest prison population in the world while sitll some of the highest crime. it's super annoying when sean trys to present it like an idea that hasn't already obviously failed... it's a bit insulting to anyone with a brain and is capable of comparing america to any other country.
It is the reason why Steven Crowder did not want to debate him.
It's gonna catch up to him eventually.
Especially if the ESG money runs out.
They actually believe everyone not on their side has the most malicious intent they can possibly imagine.
you can tell sam isn’t listening he’s just getting his next point from what his team is feeding him
Or just jumping off of hearing Sean say one word. When Sean simply said wage theft, Sam just zeroed in on the wage theft issue just so he can pivot to that issue. He completely ignores Sean's point behind bringing up wage theft, which is to call out dishonest tactics by many on the left that try to obfuscate the issue of crime, specifically retail theft, by pivoting to wage theft.
Kinda sad
yeah definitely
Yeah it was obvious he was ignoring him and flipping through his notes often
@@mt-zf6xp I was on one hand pleasantly surprised that Sam entered the debate like being charitable, but then his true colors showed imo later on. The problem is Sam doesn't know enough to generate an alternate hypothesis, so it's hard to debate Sean. I just didn't appreciate the cheap tactics that started to come out later on.
It was super clear.
Yes, investigators do prevent crime, Sam. Criminals who are caught often get locked up, preventing them from committing other crimes. The More You Know…
Sam kept saying, "I'm surprised you didn't know about this" when Sam himself just found out about it when his goons Googled it and sent it to him. Puke
Good job Sean. Your ability to stay calm should be rightly lauded.
That's where Tim Pool slipped in the Emma debate while AJW dominated. You get mad and flustered, you generally lose in a debate.
@TMINE100 it's because leftoids get a thrill from causing distress in their 'enemies'. Inspiring negative feelings makes them happy and it is despicable. These Majority Report dummies would kick a puppy if you told them it was a Trump supporting puppy
@@TMINE100
Actually tim pool did a much better job with Emma then Sean did with sam
AJW actually had the same problem that night, he let people bully him out of the cinversation.
@aliamjon2550
No, not true at all. Emma is just highly unlikable and doesn't know how to be in control of her slimyness; whereas, Sam has been practicing his slimyness for a long time.
Sam knows how to make himself look like he is good faith, Emma just thinks talking shit and looking stupid works, because she is only talking to her side. Totally different when there are 3 sides. Sam is just more polished than Emma, he really didn't look good at all.
AJW debates world's dumbest man
Did Hasan Piker join the debate? I haven't gotten to that part yet. That'll be fun to watch.
World's most smug leftist
@@str8delco589 would be fun to teach him some humility
Sam needs his two little minions to Insta google stuff to keep up with Sean… problem is google knows you and gives you the answers you want to hear from the perspectives you align with.
@@Cagliostro85 and they even muted your comment, how convenient
Sean should have kept pushing the points Sam was wrong on until he conceded. Sam’s strategy is to constantly pivot on everything he gets wrong on and stay on the offensive by reframing and asking additional questions. Pure weasel and he’s not the intellectual everyone has made him out to be.
Check out the book "Jewish History, Jewish Religion, The Weight of 3000 Years" by Israel Shahak. It will explain the turbo-cult setting in which Ashkenazi Jews like Sam evolved for 1000 years in Eastern Europe.
Merely dining with a gentile was a capital crime that was punished by execution, and the local chief rabbi had complete, totalitarian power over his shtetel/village/ghetto.
This is why there has never been a great Jewish philosopher, only slick marketers who are good at razzle dazzle smoke and mirrors rhetorical tricks.
I lost so much respect for Sam watching this
I LOVE @23:33 where you ask Sam to think critically for once in his life and he blanks out for five seconds before just reading the article instead of answering your question. Actual NPC moment.
Sums up this “debate” pretty well
Yeah that blew me away too
He wasn’t coded for that inquiry.
That moment was pure gold. Made me burst out laughing.
i noticed that too. verrrrry telling
IF SAM WAS HALF AS SMART AS HE THOUGHT HE WAS HE'D BE TWICE AS SMART AS HE REALLY IS
Comment of the year 😎
Negative. 1/2 times 0 is still 0
oof
@@jacobhamilton2473It’s half as smart as he _thinks_ he is. He thinks he’s very smart, so it’s not “1/2 times 0.” Kind of ironic that you weren’t smart enough to follow 😜
Cersei: "you're not half as smart as you think you are."
Tryion:"that still makes me smarter than you."
it's crazy to see the comments on the same video but different channels. Just goes to show you, you see what you want to see.
I cringe every time i hear the word protest. RIOTS!! They were riots.
Sam spent well over an hour hunting through your arguments trying to find weaknesses he could exploit, but there were none. It was beautiful seeing his demeanor gradually move from self-assured, nonchalant arrogance at the beginning to humbled and begrudgingly respectful at the end. You did that with facts and logic.
Amazing work, Sean. You're the real deal.
at least until he goes on his show later to act like he was the glorious victor and all of Sean's arguments were idiotic and easily debunked while using strawmans as a discrediting tool in an environment where everyone will praise him as a glorious hero without any question.
@@ProfNekko Oh, yes, that's absolutely expected, but we know the truth.
@@ProfNekko”He’s too dangerous to be left alive” - Palpatine
Sean got resorted here. He tried to use year by year measures of crime to say crime is up, despite it being down lower in comparison to the 1990s.
@@aln5832Yeah, because his claim is that crime increased as a result of a series of policies that were implemented over the last few years, not 30 years ago. This is the exact straw man we're all talking about and that Sam is infamous for using.
43:20 I love how he has a staff to go against you and he still on the back foot.
Sean you're a champ! Measured, data driven, sharp as a knife. Good job here.
Yeah, except when the data didn't support his prejudices, then it was right over to anecdotes and "common sense". Never offered once shred of proof the crime spike was BLM related, because its a weak argument based on racial prejudice, not 'data'.
I love the way Sam arrogantly says "you're aware of this right" as if it's some common sense circle stat but yet he has to read it to be aware of it himself😂😂😂😂
6000% ! ! !
He's not saying "you're aware of this right" because it's a common sense stat, he's saying it because Sean is supposed to be knowledgeable about crime. Sam acknowledges that he talks about crime less often than Sean multiple times.
@@davidc7450 "he's saying it because Sean is supposed to be knowledgeable about crime"
No, he is throwing random studies around, hoping to find an excuse to paint the other as ignorant.
It's not even an uncommon debate tactic on the left. It's so common that it feels weird that you give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@DoubleBob "It's not even an uncommon debate tactic on the left." Cool, you're an ideologue who doesn't actually care what the other side is saying. No idea why you watch debates if you're unwilling to give people the benefit of the doubt. Oh wait, I guess it's to have your feelings validated. Awesome job Bob.
@@davidc7450He is knowledgeable about crime. The idea that he is supposed to know every single data point about every random fact that Sam has his team of ppl sending his way is absurd. He is human. Not a machine. Watch his channel and other debates. He is clearly and undeniably knowledgeable about it.
Sam is the official standard of bad faith debate tactics.
Well, yeah. He's a jew.
Very much so
Naw its just adhd
I'm curious what you define "bad faith" means. Because what I consider bad faith is cherry picking a bunch of data and trying to wrap it around a narrative you are trying to construct that you know to be false. And then gishgalloping all around a subject just tossing those bits of data out there without any context; and when Sam brings up context it is just ignored and then hops to some other completely unrelated point and never answering straight-forward and direction questions. Questions that you know answering completely obliterates your argument.
If you want the best example of this: It's when Sam asks him, multiples times at different points, "So you are saying that police officer recruitment and/or retiretimes and/or people quitting is due to the George Floyd Effect even though you see similiar recruitment and/or retirements and/or people quitting in all industries during Covid. Would you attribute those other industries to the George Floyd Effect?"
Well the clear answer to that is: No. He can't address all of the other industries have the exact same systemic effect applying to it because then there is no "special" dynamic within policing, and then there is no George Floyd Effect. Because that it the logical followthrough the second you provided that context.
So lets talk about "bad faith" again, shall we? Do you not consider it not just bad faith, but also just outright dishonesty, to deliberately leave out context that you, me, and everybody watching this video can immediately identify removes his point as soon as it is provided? If his goal is "the truth", right? Why would he not provide all of the details that develop that truth and choose to only hyper-focus that justify a world0view that he wants to have. And he wants you to have. And it just-so-happens that world-view just-so-happens to disproportionatelynegatively impact communities of color, communities of poverty, and communities that are economically disadvantaged. For whatever reason aligns with the world-view that is shared to virulent racists.
Which, as you know, is coincidental.
So the elements of argumentation that don't disproportionately impact those communities? Those are never included or addressed for some reason. And even when Sam points out these things in this discussion and makes him aware of these things? For some reason he doesn't change his perspective or his content. The next day, and the day after, and the weeks, months, etc after will continue to provide content that ignores that context and he continues to provide A very deliberate narrative that doesn't address any of the issues that Sam brought up here.
Still has not been addressed to this day.
He’s a Jew
Very interesting “debate”. Sam Seder immediately positioned himself at the beginning as not knowing anything which, in turn, made AJW have to talk the majority of the time. Sadly it was less of a debate and more of a teaching to Seder.
Crime isn't dropping they stopped charging. And in the long term crime is going up. Less cops means more crime. If you go to these cities crime is rampant.
The most important part Sean missed
Wow, Sam's debate tactics are so...childlike. I legit think the left suffers from having someone like this guy out there at all. Props to you Sean for putting up with this nonsense.
His end defeat at calling it and being so down trodden… was exceptionally childish.
His audience are NPCs they don't give a shit if he's dishonest
The left has good faith debaters we just have a lot of smarmy weasels. But Tim Pool is just as bad faith. Sean is good.
@@MMAGamblingTips it's just so hard to argue in good faith about things like transphobia and racism without being transphobic and racist. The left has the benefit of actually believing what they say at face value instead of hiding it because the real reasons are not popular.
He talks like a defense lawyer trying to defend someone that is obviously guilty.
The only debate tactic Sam has to not get wrecked on this is to ask a question and then immediately ask another question while strawmanning what you're saying before you get to finish answering any questions
Getting hooked on semantics is a good tactic they use
@@JustinQuinn623>good
Jewish you mean
Sam Sedar: "If your theory is correct, those numbers would keep dropping."
AJW: *Shows proof they are dropping*
Sam Sedar: *Ok imma move the goal post*. "Well they are not correlated."
Seder is not smart enough to understand critical analysis or actually comprehend a story beyond the headline
Why do these people NEVER allow someone to finish a sentence or answer a question THEY ask??? Infuriating.
they can’t handle the truth
Because all Sam cares about is mining gotcha clips so he and his yes-people can spend the show laughing like they got some epic own.
@@kevinwalter4078 Exactly, same thing that The View, CNN and MSNBC does, they slam dishonest questions at you in hopes they can get that "gotcha" clip. They know they will lose a straight up honest discussion. I will say though Vivek Ramaswamy is one of the best at retorting to their ridiculous claims. His reply to Don Lemon during one of Don's last interviews on CNN was classic, had Don looking like a fool.
A full answer would make it clear their arguments are bunk and they're grifters. Interrupting throws the interviewee off balance and makes it easier to get a clip of them stuttering/saying something stupid
To control the narrative
If the word smug was a person it would be Sam Seder. How can someone be so consistently wrong but also confident about it each time? Honestly I give props 👏
You are describing many leftists
Smugness is one of many trademarks of the left.
Also Hassan
And Ben Shapiro, and Stephen Crowder, Pim Tool, and everyone on the right who spews absolute nonsense but does it like they’re infallible. It’s their jobs.
@@aaronpaul6601 nah you're projecting there leftard
Sean I need your ability to remain calm and composed like a monk in the face of constant provocation.
It would be nice if Sam would stfu and let Shawn speak. A conversation isn't " you said this" and when he tries to answer, just talk all over him. This is why no one wants anything to do with Sam nor takes him seriously.
Debating sam is like trying to talk to your smug uncle who reads headlines every now and then and bases their whole perspective of the issue off of them. As soon as you start getting into specifics they nervously laugh it off and change the topic
It's funny, cause on Sam's video, not only do you get the exact opposite interpretation of this debate, but you also have much more insightful comments at the top, unlike here, where it's just jabs and quips about Sam's character deficiency.
@@lotanowobingo. Sean doesn’t have the smartest audience. Sam is interested in facts, data and policy while Sean (the failed cop) is interested in pushing a narrative.
@@Eon-BlueLol Sam is a hack comedian that now thinks he's some sort of political pundit. He has a million+ subs on his astroturfed youtube channel and gets the same amount of engagement as the corporate propaganda outlets that he regurgitates verbatim. Razorfist already destroyed that fool when he tried to insult an actual comedian in Dennis Miller. You think the king of the hack pack is good. What an embarrassing thing to admit.
@@lotanowoInsightful 🤣. That's more funny then anything that hack has ever said. Sam's character deficiencies are clear to see. He's actually delusional enough to critique Dennis Miller's comedy skills when he's one of the worst comedians alive. He's a boat act that thinks he can speak about politics. Tough chance. He can't win a debate when he had 5 producers feeding him information. Embarrassing.
No wonder Crowder didn't debate this guy.
Hey I remember that! Some dude ducked out at the last second and tried to pull in Sam Seder to debate instead. Crowder said something like: "just admit you're a coward and I'll debate him" ...but the dude wouldn't. That was weak.
I think Crowder would do terribly in a debate with Seder. Not because Seder is that good, because Crowder is that bad.
@@hob976 It was H3H3 that backed out and tried to use Seder in an ambush
@@loganlautzenhiser446 Small hats align like that. You should have noticed this by now.
@@hob976 Calling Ethan Kline a dude is very generous of you. Ethan hasn't seen his own balls in years.
Oh so THIS is why Crowder didn’t want to debate Sam. This guy is insufferable.
Nobody with a very large audience wants to. His entire show is smearing people he doesn't like.
This is literally the worst debate ever. Sean can’t even finish a single point and expand on it without this clown derailing him and not making a single point of his own. No wonder no one watches the majority report.
Listening to him is so painful, and I wouldn’t even call this a debate Sam did nothing but ask you questions and never did anything to validate his position
It's very difficult to validate a pro-crime position outside of tossing out buzzwords like "systemic racism" and "widespread discrimination." Once you move beyond that surface level with a leftist the spigot usually runs dry pretty quickly.
Yeah, I mean it’s Sam’s show. But it’s pretty embarrassing how Sam never really feels the need to defend his POV at all. It’s just an endless barrage of him getting slack messages from his employees who are googling everything they can to feed to Sam so that he can “stick it” to Sean
He can't give a position because he is slimy and can't stay on one topic or point. He is everywhere but smart.
I mean Sam, his crew, everyone in his circle, and his audience are all people who believe their positions are completely irrefutably correct and anyone trying to argue against them is doing so from the position of a cruel right wing conservative fascist who just wants to see black people get killed. They will do anything for a "gotcha! Ur racist lol." Moment, and don't actually argue from a place of trying to understand one's opinion or pov.
@@hornetguy9063that's how sam operates. That's why no one likes talking to him. You can never really talk with him. It's never genuine and always bad faith.
It's so sad how soulless these Majority Report people are. Always jumping to 'debunk' anything that a "conservative" says, never willing to have common ground. It really is a show, and it must be terrible for Sam's soul to have to keep that show up.
Generous of you to assume Sam ever had a soul.
@@psychegoddessoflight9358 don't day stupid stuff and we won't have to debunk you all the time. If someone says "I like eating poop" you dont need to find common ground
I agree with the majority report on almost everything, but I agree with Sean in this case. Sam is just doing this to get views, but honestly people on both sides get into debates. They're not really passionate about to earn money. That's how this business works.
@@autumnleaves7907 If I were Sam Seder or Emma Vigeland, I might reply "Hm, okay--so you like to eat poop." "No, wa--" "You specifically mentioned eating poop, ergo you made an admission of your own habits..."
It's not about _debunking_ squat, love. It's about bad faith slimeballs using what their feeble minds imagine are sophisticated rhetorical stalling & diversion tactics to obfuscate the fact they bring absolutely nothing of value to any table. Word salad spoken confidently with deliberate pivots; smoke + mirrors.
It's not impressing anyone...apart from those so desperate to cling to long disproven narratives over objective reality that they're happy to support anyone who keeps the delusional mirage intact.
Sam and his ilk have the easiest grift going: they never have to prove or even substantiate their claims, they only need to perpetuate people's cognitive distortions. Very easy to do for an audience whose entire self-concept depends on believing they're on the right side of history, all evidence to the contrary be damned.
@@autumnleaves7907 you don't do "debunking", you do confirmation bias, apriorism, and dogmatism. you refuse to consider the other side, instead you resort to strawman arguments. this is why you are seen as a joke by anyone with an iq greater than 85
This dude made a lot of stupid and pointless points. You did a poor job debating sam. Crime is down in the short term but going up on the long term. And crime is 100% worse in Democrat run cities. Id bring up race too. Sam is just playing semantics games and lying with statistics.
I have to say, Actual Justice Warrior did a great job debating! Excellent command of English, very rational, and basically had a thorough answer for everything. Equanimity, expert knowledge, just obliterated Sam. I'm one hour and ten minutes in. If either one learned anything, Sam learned everything and taught AJW absolutely nothing he didn't already know. Think about being able to interrogate someone for like an hour and a half straight and not being able to get them on even one single point. Not one! That's an expert!
Love that Sam will make the point that how police underfunding and understaffing doesn’t effect the amount crime. Yet, I guarantee he would blame every other government department’s failure (education, welfare, other social services, ect) on the same exact issue.
I know, Sam is always talking about the government needs more funding, and doomsplains every budget cut.
Don't forget losing experience veteran police officer/detective and being overworked.
He admitted with less police on the past than now there was more crime than now, while more crime now than a few years ago with less cops than then. Somehow didn't realize he was admitting it.
I mean, it was so obvious when he mentioned how the numbers of cops didn't affect crime... a simple question would have ruined him. "If we remove all cops, crime levels will remain the same?"
He isnt arguing in good faith. Listen when he blames everything on the coof. A virus doesn't lock people inside or fire them for not wearing masks or not getting jabbed
I love Sam's argument that the number of police officers today is higher than it was 15 years ago and crime was also higher back then.
I know right. Baltimore city alone is short some 500 officers. 500 !
Is the population the same?
@@lorahiggins4006 Finally, someone with the right questions. US population 2007: about 303 mill. US population in 2023: about 340 mill. There are so many things Sam did not take into account when making his statement, willingly so. All he ever did was to act in bad faith to get some "gotcha" out of this "debate".
@@Haterator It's not surprising but it's still disappointing. Just be honest....
Lol, holy crap, Sam's such a weasel. Apparently he needs a team of people behind him to have a conversation.
1:20:27 Michael Quaglietta said "Sam getting flustered" in the chat and got banned at 1:21:04 by "Autumn Leaves"
Wasn't paying much attention until then but noticed the mod bragging about banning someone, wanted to know why.
High-class mods Sam's chat has there, can't even say a small negative thing about him, I guess, wasn't even that harsh.
Imagine having a chat with 5000+ people and letting someone like that be a mod. Not really surprised with Sam's crew in general.
You can tell if Sam Seder is doing poorly in a debate/conversation by how many childish and nonsensical laughs you hear from his background minions when Sam thinks he has a point. If it's less than 5, you can bet he's doing horribly (or at least lacking the oneupmanship he looks for in these things). I think I counted 3 in this conversation, so you did amazingly Sean.
Yes the Matt sniveling noise was definitely rare to hear
"You said..." "But you said.." "Your argument is..." Every time Sam tried crowd Sean into a box, Sean just kept going, calmly, knowing not to let Sam have an opening to try and paint him with a BS brush. Well done.
Cope
@@jackeagleeye3453Sam's bitches, know he's being made the fool he is.
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Because you don't like what you hear?
@@jackeagleeye3453 Cry harder , Sean is your new Daddy , say it
@@jackeagleeye3453projection.
Sam is not interested in finding anything out. He just wants to try to make his opponent look stupid. He's such a dishonest person.
And here I am, two days later, after a riot broke out in Union Square Park.
Sam: No Sean we're talking about nationwide
Also Sam: No Sean that's not what's happening in Connecticut let me pull it up
Also Also Sam: No Sean you can't just look at what's happening in one place, you have to look a at the national trends.
Also Also Also Sam: If the national trends are as you say they are and are universal then why is it not happening in this small town in New Hampshire!? GOTCHA
I don't know that I can make it to the end on this one...Sam is such a bad faith debater it's unreal...
If I can stand the second-hand embarrassment of debates at large, I'd think that this one would be a rip-roaring good time with all this nonsense.
Sam Seder: “seasoned investigators solve crimes, not prevent them.”
He said that many times. That doesn’t make sense. If a crime is solved, it PREVENTS those criminals from offending again (temporarily, at least). Also, seeing people actually go to prison for their crimes discourages others from committing crimes. Also, getting those criminals off the street prevents them from influencing the youth from a life of crime.
You mean common sense... yeah Leftist lack that by the tanker truck full. It should be obvious any criminal put away is one less that goes on to criminalize your community, while sending a message to others that, that behavior is not tolerated.
Also, innocent victims feel more comfortable in Reporting crimes and giving names when they TRUST their efforts will lead to putting the scum away.
You really should have called Sam out on his shit. He keeps trying to imply shit but he's completely incorrect. He never once makes a real argument. I'm not a crime expert but even I can point out the simple logic and contradictions
holy crap, is Sam Seder actually 10 IQ? He is going to deny that the GF riots had a negative effect on police morale?