When the CZ was added to the game it had the regular kill reward of 300, but after a while they nerfed it and reducing the kill reward was part of it. However, later it was nerfed even more and now it would make sense to have a regular kill reward again.
@@Skeppsvrak dude when it was FIRST release, it had nutty running accuracy, took the p250 price slot for 300$, and one shot headshot close up with a fast draw time. It later got bumped to 500$ and had the running accuracy reduced in like a month , but it took forever to nerf after
You dissapointingly missed talking about some key factors that made it overpowered when first released. Fast draw time was the tip of the iceberg when you consider the large magazine capacity and 1 hit headshot damage at rifle range it had.
@@sorahidaka9977 looked it up, and nope, it was never 16. It was 12 when it was released, on one of the patches as an attempt to nerf it, it was reduced to 8, this has since been reverted.
It had the AK's damage with 1 tap at close range but also insane running accuracy which made it super annoying to play again considering how fast you run with a pistol.
@@KineticRX There are other 5.7x28mm guns out there, but FN Herstal was the inventor of the cartridge. Notable gun-manufacturers using 5.7x28mm are CMMG (Model: Banshee), Ruger (Model: 57), and Kel-Tec (Model: P50), all of which has popped up in later years (since around 2018-2019)
I could maybe agree with increasing the kill reward, but I don't like the idea of it only costing $300. And if it moves to the p250 spot, I'll never use it cus p250 is my jam. Best move would be allowing us to set our own pistol slots, so that using any one pistol does not exclude the use of another.
Definitely, I never use Dualies but I like the Five Seven, Tek9 and CZ. Hell, I'd even swap in R8 over Dualies for the memes (would never swap out my Deag for an R8 of course).
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I love the 5-7, that pistol has some overpowerd periods in its history too. Perfect first shot accuracy while moving and close range one head shot kill even on helmets
$300 would be overkill imo and would leave little to no reason for players to purchase a p250 at the same price & ammo capacity. I would make it 400 and leave it in its current zone shared with five seven & tec. Stats wise it can stay, but having an extra magazine would be huge
Glad to see another five seven chad The amount of god tier plays I've made with the five seven to save the game over the years is unreal. It accounts for most of my long lasting memories with CS:GO
I respectfully disagree with your proposed changes to the CZ. As a CZ user on both CT and T side, it would not make sense to replace the P250 with an automated machine pistol, since that would entirely negate any use the P250 has. I wouldn't mind the 300$ kill reward, but it doesn't make a difference since the CZ is designed to get a kill and then never be used again that round (therefore creating an incentive for using the weapon of the guy you killed). The tec9 is a bit better and the five-seven is the most polarizing gun I've ever used so I don't see why we should mess with something that is not broken. It's viable, and it doesn't need anything besides some love :>
Tec and 5-7 are better guns than the CZ (and I say it as a CZ user). CZ needs to have a $300 kill reward. I'd maybe add another magazine to it and it would be in a fine spot imo
I still use the CZ (only on CT side), but being objective, I think the only modifications that should be done to it would be reducing its price to $300 and also reducing its draw time.
I remember saying on r/globaloffensive in 2014/15 that the SG 553 was seriously overpowered and needed a nerf, as it was clearly better than the AK47. No one believed me. Oh how I laughed when the 2019 scoped rifles meta rolled around. All people had to do was give that gun a chance, and it showed its' true form and it was beautiful
In real life the 5.7 cartridge is pretty revolutionary. That being said the p90 shares this cartridge but costs way too much to be viable in meta due to its poor long range performance
Still waiting for that M249 buff Nobody asked but here's my idea: Valve wanted the Negev to be the "suppression" LMG, and priced it low since suppression isn't really a part of the game. The M249, then, should be the strong open-area weapon Valve wants it to be. Here's my proposed changes: Decrease accuracy loss with continued firing (the high recoil is fine, but shots shouldn't be random after the first handful) Decrease magazine size to 60 (really lean into its "direct engagement" role) Increase armor penetration so one-hit headshots persist out to some range (isn't a straight downgrade to the AK) Increase reload speed, maybe down to about 3.8 seconds, to compensate for smaller magazine Drop price down to $3800 from $5200, so it serves its role as a premium automatic for both sides (CTs get one-hit headshot potential, Ts get higher ROF)
Even with everything you proposed there's still not a reason to buy it over an AK, ever. That's an absurd amount of buffs and it's still probably never getting bought over an M4 silenced.
I actually still use the CZ very often, I prefer it over Five Seven but TEC9 on T side of course takes the take. Playing a close angle as CT on eco is guaranteed a free kill, if not a free AK if they're alone.
Glock: t side pistols USP-S/P2000: ct side pistol rounds P250: t side pistol rounds/ecos Berettas: ct side pistol rounds/ecos Tec: t side eco/force Five seven: ct side eco/force Deagle: if your aim is good CZ and r8 redundant
@@Ultra289 Nah It's just not bad in general at the moment with the deeg nerfs. Literally just a scout with a charge up timer, I've seen some get really good with it.
Any pros that use the CZ over the Five Seven are just being posers so they can stand out for being different. Same goes for pros that use the P2000. The Five Seven and Tec9 can still one tap, are more accurate, reload and draw faster so there's absolutely no reason to use the CZ. The way I would buff it is I would get rid of the long draw time and reload, make the kill reward $300 and then make the ammo 12/24. This would buff it immensely but the Five Seven and Tec9 would still have better accuracy, damage and ammo capacity.
i take cz over five seven bc the kill money is not the reward, you are playing for an untradable kill to take the gun away and use it into the next round or at least snowball with ur
@@byefelicia92 But the 57 can one tap at close range and the cz sucks at any range beyond 15ft. Ya, you can kill someone really fast if you're playing a close angle but the 57 would be just as good. So there's really no point to use it.
Nobody is posing with the p2000, it's just what they prefer. P2k is literally just an USP non silenced nd with more ammo. Not really the same sort of comparison as CZ over FS or KEK9, as the CZ is just worse. Comparing it to using the R8 over the Deeg is a better comparison In my opinion.
Yeah CZ needs a rework. 300$ of kill reward, still 500$ and tec-9 spot, but with extra 12 ammo in spare munition, and a slightly faster draw time. Now the M249 needs also a rework, being what the description said: a lower recoil assault rifle, with a larger magazine. R8 just needs its trigger pull length either reduced or removed, it don't see why it needs double action. A six capacity revolver with 18 in spare, insta shot time and same damage as now would be perfect. Even though right now since deagle nerf it has become viable again.
extra 12 ammo now thats something i dont wanna see like ever and also i think valve has accepted the fact that the r8 is a meme reducing or removing the trigger pull length would be rlly dangerous r8 bodyshot does 70+ dmg 2 bodyshot and the guy is dead on all ranges probs,Just imagine a 600 dollar scout without the scope
The R8 should not be an instant-shot, that is already the Deagles job, but is great while moving. Yes, the trigger pull should be slightly faster, in order to stand a chance against at least 2 enemies. However the magazine and ammo capacity is fine, as it currently is.
IMO what the CZ is good for is being a spray and pray weapon since the fire rate is so high. Keeping the stats the same, given that it is a wildly inaccurate weapon, simply giving it an extra reserve magazine or two and making it pull out faster would cement its place as not an accuracy weapon but a panic weapon if you're being rushed with an AWP. The obvious balance for this would be to fuck up its first shot accuracy a little more since that would be counter-productive to its potential niche
CZ being a better weapon than regular pistols is in my opinion the same as if SMGs were better than main rifles AK and M4, it just doesn't seem right to me. So I'm kinda happy where it is now.
If they just buffed its kill reward I'd be happy. I still use the CZ on CT because I like the p250 over the 57 because I feel like they do the same exact thing.
I like to think of the current cz as an upgraded zeus, it has barely sny range (unless you tap fire) and I think it's most effective as something you use to camp a corner and steal an opponents gun. With that being said, I think the main reason it's very underused is because the five seven and tec-9 are just better and less situational (and also it's a little too expensive for what it does)
Since I started playing cs back in 2016 on ct side on eco was always a pain in the ass for me , I started using the 5-7 and got used to it but when I was getting the most of it they nerfed it with the tec-9 . I didn't cared too much about the tec-9 because I'd always get kills with it and I switched to the CZ on CT side and used it "to steal AKs" and to this day on eco rounds on ct when I pull my cz I get at least one kill and dink other players. I miss the old 5-7 and CZ tho ;(
I buy the CZ on CT side in pistol rounds because the Ts usually rush. Combine it with a smoke and camp behind it. The Ts usually push because they think they can win with sheer numbers and speed. Little do they know that a rifle is hiding behind that smoke.
personally speaking a bit more kill reward and maybe a 3rd mag could make it more viable. While its main purpose is a single fast kill giving it the ability to be more feasible in different situations if given a 3rd mag would make it more useable for lower ranking players.
finally found someone who suggested a 3rd mag.... it seems like a good way to keep it balanced. I cant count the amount of times I've tried to use it and 2 kills later am picking up a new side arm.
I like the CZ on CT side usually and just use it as a cheao close range spraydown kill to get the primary weapon of the enemy. Works most of the time. But I like your ideas.
The reward for killing with the CZ is a potential rifle pickup, or at the very least strong economic damage to the enemy... Something I think most people overlook.
I generally use CZ on T side and 5.7 on CT side. Reason being with Eco you generally rush and since I play maps like Overpass, Vertigo, and Inferno almost exclusively, I’ll always be in the enemies face when I get close. Con/short on overpass, aps on inferno and B stairs on vertigo. It’s great for zooming into an enemy and just murking him, taking his gun or handing it to a teammate based on your HP situation, and then moving toward. That and it’s tapping potential is overlooked as the Damn thing can be tapped as fast as any other pistol if you know how to do it right. The fiveseven is the fiveseven. It’s armor penetration, ROF, and movement accuracy are godtier for a pistol, and with how fast you can spam it the CZ isn’t really needed. I take CZ over tec-9 cause while it’s one tap potential is great i prefer the time to kill on the CZ when I’m in the enemys face
I comment before watching video In my opinion the worst drawback is magazine capacity 2 magazines of 12 rounds is totally ridiculous. Just giving it 2 more mags would make it an okay pistol in my opinion. You could also give it 1 extra magazine and instead of giving it 2nd mag, just improve accuracy while moving, or overall accuracy at long range After watching vid: Yeah, you could increase the kill reward and its price, but i think that giving it at least one more magazine is essential. Otherwise players with lower skill won't have any point in buying a cz and cmon, 24 bullets? really?
The slow drawspeed is much worse hindrance than lack of ammunition. 2 mags is still enough to kill multiple enemies and you only really need to kill 1-2 enemies with it and pick their guns.
@@tappajaav It is but only for player with good aim and control, most people might get not more that 2 kills, since you cant just dump all bullets at once. And also sometimes picking up a gun is easy and everything, but other times you might find yourself in a situation with one more enemy, or with utilities being thrown at you and then you are kinda screwed.
@@maciejprokop2001 Any gun in the game is more effective in the hands of a decent aimer. Are you trying to reason that a $500 PISTOL should perform better than that? As I already stated being able to kill 1-2 enemies and picking up a primary fills the goal. Against multiple enemies/utility spammed at you you're going to be fucked regardless of the weapon.
@@tappajaav "Are you trying to reason that a $500 PISTOL should perform better than that?" No i am not trying to say it should perform better, what i am trying to say is that it should be more versitile just add a goddamn magazine thats it. Do not make it useless after killing 2 guys. "As I already stated being able to kill 1-2 enemies and picking up a primary fills the goal." That is the main goal of cz in your opinion, and that is okay, but my opinion is different: I know how to put my thoughts in perspective: Look at the deagle, suppose you walk alone through the map with deagle only and utils., and you do an ace-clutch. Its hard, but totally plausible to do this, you have loads of ammo and gun with great dmg Now do the same with only cz-75 and utilities. You will be under constant pressure and stress about the ammunition, you may not take a chance on a wallbang which could change the outcome of the round. Also in my opinion you should almost never balance a gun of nerf it by giving it less ammunition, there are a lot of other stats, which can be nerfed. I am not saying that every gun should have 100 ammunition, but there is NO pistol in the game which has only 2 mags (R8 is an exception, but it playstyle justifies that, it is totally possible to ace with that thing and kill 5 guys) But lets get past that... I agree to disagree with you, our opinions are different and it is a normal thing.
i now use it in cs2 with the whole new loadout system as it fills a unique role as an almost better version of the zeus or a cheaper shotgun and can be used to steal enemies weapons by hiding around a tight corner but any strat that i use isn't to be taken seriously since i assume my rank will be around 1k elo
I feel like flusha was way more of a cz criminal than JW. For me: 1 extra bullet per mag + kill reward and/or price change would make it a lot less awkward to use.
Changing price and reward is not as important as changing slot. Tec-9 and 5-7 are the best general purpose pistols while CZ75 is a good situational pistol. Every time I pick CZ for the match I found myself starved out if I need a secondary, especially on T side.
completely agree on the CZ kill reward, I really like the idea of the R8 as an alternative to the Deagle but it's just so bad against fast players, I can't see it's place, it is extremely slow, needs a headshot to kill, takes ages to ready, expensive for what it is; possibly the worst gun in the game?
Love to see FiveseveN love, deeply underrated gun all my friends think I'm crazy but it slaps. 1 shot headshot (with armour) at short to short-medium range, accurate double/triple tap, *91% armour penetration*. All for only $500 with a $300 reward.
For me, CZ is like a better Zeus, so I don't agree with the suggestion of reducing its price: It would make Zeus totally obsolete. You may not care about the Zeus when it comes to balancing, but I bet Valve does (though I suppose they could also lower Zeus's price to $100). I agree with the suggestion of increasing the kill reward, though. I have no idea why both the CZ and the Zeus still suffer from reduced kill rewards, especially considering that they are best used in eco/half buy rounds. CZ today is mostly useless if you play it like you would play any other gun: Getting the first kill is trivially easy if the enemy does not fully expect you, but getting a second kill is almost impossible without a reload (which takes ages). That is why I see it as a better Zeus: It has a longer range than Zeus, it is more reliable than Zeus, you get to use it one more time if you get away with a kill but cannot pick up the victim's weapon, and it would be useful in almost all situations where a Zeus could be useful. The Five-SeveN cannot provide the same DPS to a single enemy unless you manage to hit an instant headshot, which makes it a worse pistol for any opponent that could beat me in a full match of CSGO.
if that change was made, making the CZ $300 and kr $300, I would try it out for a while, but I would probably still be a tec-9/5.7 fanboy after dropping kills or running out of ammo. I think if they do make the change it would be good to add another mag for it, now I could spam a mag through spoke without gutting myself.
The CZ can now be easily outclassed by the Zeus. They should give it relevance as they are doing with all the other optional weapons. The MP7 is basically the same as the MP5, the P2000 is worse than the USP-S, but it is a better version of the glock and the M4A1-S is now worse, but more accurate than the M4A4. Since the deagle is now pretty much useless unless Onedeag, the CZ should be more expensive at 700$ and being a good low buy killing machine with higher firerate and armor penetration.
The idea of the gun is to kill a enemy on eco rounds and gather a ak47 with it or m4a1s, so basically you get 2200$ in value at least out of it, if successfully used. What i think valve should really do is to make it a bit more accurate, thats it, nothing more, this weapon is still strong and shouldnt be underestimated, because if all shots connect you end on the ground
they should have not nerfed it in its reload speed and shooting speed, they should have made bullets more spongy and kept the high fire rate. i think the amount of bullets should be changed back to 3 clips too if bullets were spongier. I remember thinking CZ had some of the best skins, but it was nerfed into the ground and I never really played it at all. I usually don't buy pistols unless I snipe anyway, or with a shotgun to increase my ranged firepower. I like the concept of it tho, it was the best pro days imo when cz was op.
and yeah, 5-7 best pistol in the game since deagle became useless. i strive to have one when i awp for sure. fast to draw, accurate, moderately strong damage, and high amount of bullets that shoot fast. If you buy one and stay alive, it basically pays for itself with its utility.
i do a high risk buy pistol round and cop the five seven with Ts having no head armor just post on a angle and you can spam shots with the high capacity and kill 2-4 EASY
Idk why the CZ now only has 1 reload, it doesn't have more bullets, it's basically 2 encounters and you're dead. It's stupid that buying a weapon gives you less bullets than the initial one
Only getting 100 for a kill with the cz has never made sense to me
@Zetron the 57 can do the same thing and it has a 300 kill reward
@@Nick-ij5nt and you can also one shot hs with it at close range
@@s0meRand0m129 exactly, more damage, better accuracy, better reload time. literally no reason to use the cz
When the CZ was added to the game it had the regular kill reward of 300, but after a while they nerfed it and reducing the kill reward was part of it. However, later it was nerfed even more and now it would make sense to have a regular kill reward again.
@@Skeppsvrak dude when it was FIRST release, it had nutty running accuracy, took the p250 price slot for 300$, and one shot headshot close up with a fast draw time. It later got bumped to 500$ and had the running accuracy reduced in like a month , but it took forever to nerf after
Five seven is the best pistol right now unless your deagle aim is on point, most people should opt for five seven
Pretty even with tec9. Five seven much better for spamming, tec9 much better for run and gun
no, the tec9 is better because you don't have to stand still, you can dodge other people's bullets while being extremely accurate
@@Nick-ij5nt you can actually do the same with five-seven
@@s0meRand0m129 no the running accuracy is trash with the five seven compared with tec-9 right now.
@@revan22 really? although I agree its running accuracy is not as good as tec9's but it always worked for me
The Five SeveN is incredible. Best spam pistol.
And Tec-9
@@thales2501 rekt-9*
I use the CZ over the 5.7 but definitely not the Tec-9
5.7 can't even oneshot armored opponents.
@@MitsurugiR You mean headshot with a helmet? The Tec-9 and Five SeveN both can 1 tap at short distance. It's nearly identical.
You dissapointingly missed talking about some key factors that made it overpowered when first released. Fast draw time was the tip of the iceberg when you consider the large magazine capacity and 1 hit headshot damage at rifle range it had.
Wasn't it always 12 bullets?
@@oliverm856016 like in real life before nerf
@@sorahidaka9977 looked it up, and nope, it was never 16. It was 12 when it was released, on one of the patches as an attempt to nerf it, it was reduced to 8, this has since been reverted.
@@oliverm8560 really. I check imfdb and they say it was 16 before rebalance. Oh well unicorn stuff
It had the AK's damage with 1 tap at close range but also insane running accuracy which made it super annoying to play again considering how fast you run with a pistol.
I've been a Five SeveN fan since 1.6
It's an awesome, simple gun that nobody seems to apreciate
Finally! Someone speaks the truth!
....It does share ammo with p90 right?
@@johndexterzarate6663 yeah. afaik, the p90 and five-seven are the only guns in the world that use 5.7x28mm ammo.
@@KineticRX There are other 5.7x28mm guns out there, but FN Herstal was the inventor of the cartridge.
Notable gun-manufacturers using 5.7x28mm are CMMG (Model: Banshee), Ruger (Model: 57), and Kel-Tec (Model: P50), all of which has popped up in later years (since around 2018-2019)
always had a thing for it bcs it was made in my country; same with the p90 back in the days now i hate it
I could maybe agree with increasing the kill reward, but I don't like the idea of it only costing $300. And if it moves to the p250 spot, I'll never use it cus p250 is my jam. Best move would be allowing us to set our own pistol slots, so that using any one pistol does not exclude the use of another.
I agree. Wish we could make our own slots. Honestly that plus maybe upping the kill reward from 100 to 200 would be enough
Personally I think the draw time needs to be changed to be faster
Definitely, I never use Dualies but I like the Five Seven, Tek9 and CZ. Hell, I'd even swap in R8 over Dualies for the memes (would never swap out my Deag for an R8 of course).
@@0wly yeah i like this better a little faster draw time plus a higher kill reward. or would that me to much?
@@0wly then the gun would be back when it was first released, an OP sidearm. Which isnt the best option, taken how OP it was back then
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The Five SeveN is by far the strongest pistol. If your aim is on point you can to horrendous damage to your enemies.
JW hasn't changed his appearance in 8 years it's quite remarkable.
I love the 5-7, that pistol has some overpowerd periods in its history too. Perfect first shot accuracy while moving and close range one head shot kill even on helmets
$300 would be overkill imo and would leave little to no reason for players to purchase a p250 at the same price & ammo capacity. I would make it 400 and leave it in its current zone shared with five seven & tec.
Stats wise it can stay, but having an extra magazine would be huge
Damn, this video made me realize how much i miss the way csgo looked like back in the day😱
Glad to see another five seven chad
The amount of god tier plays I've made with the five seven to save the game over the years is unreal.
It accounts for most of my long lasting memories with CS:GO
4:08 you are so right on the cz 75 replacing p250 and that aged like fine wine, because i did just that in the new cs2
I respectfully disagree with your proposed changes to the CZ. As a CZ user on both CT and T side, it would not make sense to replace the P250 with an automated machine pistol, since that would entirely negate any use the P250 has. I wouldn't mind the 300$ kill reward, but it doesn't make a difference since the CZ is designed to get a kill and then never be used again that round (therefore creating an incentive for using the weapon of the guy you killed). The tec9 is a bit better and the five-seven is the most polarizing gun I've ever used so I don't see why we should mess with something that is not broken. It's viable, and it doesn't need anything besides some love :>
If you use cz over tec 9 you have brain damage
Tec and 5-7 are better guns than the CZ (and I say it as a CZ user). CZ needs to have a $300 kill reward. I'd maybe add another magazine to it and it would be in a fine spot imo
@@danogh2227 yeah 1 shot hs up close for 5-7 20 bullets makes it pretty strong
I still use the CZ (only on CT side), but being objective, I think the only modifications that should be done to it would be reducing its price to $300 and also reducing its draw time.
I remember saying on r/globaloffensive in 2014/15 that the SG 553 was seriously overpowered and needed a nerf, as it was clearly better than the AK47. No one believed me.
Oh how I laughed when the 2019 scoped rifles meta rolled around. All people had to do was give that gun a chance, and it showed its' true form and it was beautiful
Everyone argues about which pistol is the best, and then there’s me who still uses the Desert Eagle
In real life the 5.7 cartridge is pretty revolutionary. That being said the p90 shares this cartridge but costs way too much to be viable in meta due to its poor long range performance
5.7 in real life is hampered by the AP ammo being illegal in the US
5.7 is revolutionary on paper but it has too many stories of real world use requiring people to get hosed.
@@danlorett2184 military setting
Still waiting for that M249 buff
Nobody asked but here's my idea:
Valve wanted the Negev to be the "suppression" LMG, and priced it low since suppression isn't really a part of the game. The M249, then, should be the strong open-area weapon Valve wants it to be. Here's my proposed changes:
Decrease accuracy loss with continued firing (the high recoil is fine, but shots shouldn't be random after the first handful)
Decrease magazine size to 60 (really lean into its "direct engagement" role)
Increase armor penetration so one-hit headshots persist out to some range (isn't a straight downgrade to the AK)
Increase reload speed, maybe down to about 3.8 seconds, to compensate for smaller magazine
Drop price down to $3800 from $5200, so it serves its role as a premium automatic for both sides (CTs get one-hit headshot potential, Ts get higher ROF)
Even with everything you proposed there's still not a reason to buy it over an AK, ever. That's an absurd amount of buffs and it's still probably never getting bought over an M4 silenced.
I actually still use the CZ very often, I prefer it over Five Seven but TEC9 on T side of course takes the take. Playing a close angle as CT on eco is guaranteed a free kill, if not a free AK if they're alone.
Glock: t side pistols
USP-S/P2000: ct side pistol rounds
P250: t side pistol rounds/ecos
Berettas: ct side pistol rounds/ecos
Tec: t side eco/force
Five seven: ct side eco/force
Deagle: if your aim is good
CZ and r8 redundant
r8: meme cannon
@@AnnaSue81 yes
Revolver isnt bad, is just that its on the deagle spot
@@Ultra289 Nah It's just not bad in general at the moment with the deeg nerfs. Literally just a scout with a charge up timer, I've seen some get really good with it.
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Great video. Would be better than nothing to see the changes you suggested to the CZ.
I think valve should remove the "one weapon or the other" thing altogether just let us by the M4 or M4-S when we want same with the CZ and tec/5-7
Any pros that use the CZ over the Five Seven are just being posers so they can stand out for being different. Same goes for pros that use the P2000. The Five Seven and Tec9 can still one tap, are more accurate, reload and draw faster so there's absolutely no reason to use the CZ. The way I would buff it is I would get rid of the long draw time and reload, make the kill reward $300 and then make the ammo 12/24. This would buff it immensely but the Five Seven and Tec9 would still have better accuracy, damage and ammo capacity.
i take cz over five seven bc the kill money is not the reward, you are playing for an untradable kill to take the gun away and use it into the next round or at least snowball with ur
@@byefelicia92 But the 57 can one tap at close range and the cz sucks at any range beyond 15ft. Ya, you can kill someone really fast if you're playing a close angle but the 57 would be just as good. So there's really no point to use it.
Nobody is posing with the p2000, it's just what they prefer.
P2k is literally just an USP non silenced nd with more ammo.
Not really the same sort of comparison as CZ over FS or KEK9, as the CZ is just worse.
Comparing it to using the R8 over the Deeg is a better comparison In my opinion.
It would still be sensible to use in some situations at least in MM if the kill reward was $300.
Yeah CZ needs a rework. 300$ of kill reward, still 500$ and tec-9 spot, but with extra 12 ammo in spare munition, and a slightly faster draw time. Now the M249 needs also a rework, being what the description said: a lower recoil assault rifle, with a larger magazine. R8 just needs its trigger pull length either reduced or removed, it don't see why it needs double action. A six capacity revolver with 18 in spare, insta shot time and same damage as now would be perfect. Even though right now since deagle nerf it has become viable again.
M249 need price decrease
extra 12 ammo now thats something i dont wanna see like ever and also i think valve has accepted the fact that the r8 is a meme reducing or removing the trigger pull length would be rlly dangerous r8 bodyshot does 70+ dmg 2 bodyshot and the guy is dead on all ranges probs,Just imagine a 600 dollar scout without the scope
The R8 should not be an instant-shot, that is already the Deagles job, but is great while moving. Yes, the trigger pull should be slightly faster, in order to stand a chance against at least 2 enemies.
However the magazine and ammo capacity is fine, as it currently is.
"Now that m249 needs a rework..."
It needed a rework since 2013
nice video. Love the sonic spinball music in background :) .
IMO what the CZ is good for is being a spray and pray weapon since the fire rate is so high. Keeping the stats the same, given that it is a wildly inaccurate weapon, simply giving it an extra reserve magazine or two and making it pull out faster would cement its place as not an accuracy weapon but a panic weapon if you're being rushed with an AWP. The obvious balance for this would be to fuck up its first shot accuracy a little more since that would be counter-productive to its potential niche
Not a cs player but i still watched the video, quick full of info and well spoken. Well done
holy shit, found your channel yesterday and I could've sworn you had 2k subs, congrats man, content going up!
CZ being a better weapon than regular pistols is in my opinion the same as if SMGs were better than main rifles AK and M4, it just doesn't seem right to me. So I'm kinda happy where it is now.
Amazing video + Persona OST
You're pretty cool
Amazing video as always! But what music is that playing towards the end? It's the cherry on top
banger you don't miss fr
will never forget the hiko clip where hes like "its not that bad" , ran onto a site and got 5 one taps with it
people actually preferred the five-seven in 2015-2016. P250 was only if you wanted to buy a nade as well.
If they just buffed its kill reward I'd be happy. I still use the CZ on CT because I like the p250 over the 57 because I feel like they do the same exact thing.
I like to think of the current cz as an upgraded zeus, it has barely sny range (unless you tap fire) and I think it's most effective as something you use to camp a corner and steal an opponents gun. With that being said, I think the main reason it's very underused is because the five seven and tec-9 are just better and less situational (and also it's a little too expensive for what it does)
Very nice and informative videos, bro! Keep goin'!
Since I started playing cs back in 2016 on ct side on eco was always a pain in the ass for me , I started using the 5-7 and got used to it but when I was getting the most of it they nerfed it with the tec-9 . I didn't cared too much about the tec-9 because I'd always get kills with it and I switched to the CZ on CT side and used it "to steal AKs" and to this day on eco rounds on ct when I pull my cz I get at least one kill and dink other players. I miss the old 5-7 and CZ tho ;(
I've always been a fan of the Five Seven even when Tec-9 was at its Olofmeister peak
I buy the CZ on CT side in pistol rounds because the Ts usually rush. Combine it with a smoke and camp behind it. The Ts usually push because they think they can win with sheer numbers and speed. Little do they know that a rifle is hiding behind that smoke.
that sonic spinball track from 1:50 to 3:50 was lit *liked* rip cz
Sonic Spinball music? Amazing
personally speaking a bit more kill reward and maybe a 3rd mag could make it more viable. While its main purpose is a single fast kill giving it the ability to be more feasible in different situations if given a 3rd mag would make it more useable for lower ranking players.
finally found someone who suggested a 3rd mag.... it seems like a good way to keep it balanced. I cant count the amount of times I've tried to use it and 2 kills later am picking up a new side arm.
The true sleeper pistol are the dualies, maybe I'm just trash but that thing just shreds for me
Man these clips of Fnatic.. pure nostalgia
I like the CZ on CT side usually and just use it as a cheao close range spraydown kill to get the primary weapon of the enemy. Works most of the time. But I like your ideas.
me too
yeah, cz is a beast of weapon. A pocket ak47 for sure, 5-7 sucks so much, the precision it's worse than the cz and cz is full auto so...
The reward for killing with the CZ is a potential rifle pickup, or at the very least strong economic damage to the enemy... Something I think most people overlook.
No mention of EnvyUs 2015 and their force buy strats. :(
This Legendary 2014 Pistol Nerfed By Valve And Killed Weapon Entire CSGO Meta. Bravo Valve. Next Time Thing it!
best cs video i've seen in a long time.
I agree with you but I think it should replace the berettas instead, and maaaybe a slight bullet spread buff or something
yes, i am a cz enjoyer, i know most people hate me but im still the god of eco rounds
I generally use CZ on T side and 5.7 on CT side. Reason being with Eco you generally rush and since I play maps like Overpass, Vertigo, and Inferno almost exclusively, I’ll always be in the enemies face when I get close. Con/short on overpass, aps on inferno and B stairs on vertigo. It’s great for zooming into an enemy and just murking him, taking his gun or handing it to a teammate based on your HP situation, and then moving toward.
That and it’s tapping potential is overlooked as the Damn thing can be tapped as fast as any other pistol if you know how to do it right.
The fiveseven is the fiveseven. It’s armor penetration, ROF, and movement accuracy are godtier for a pistol, and with how fast you can spam it the CZ isn’t really needed.
I take CZ over tec-9 cause while it’s one tap potential is great i prefer the time to kill on the CZ when I’m in the enemys face
I comment before watching video
In my opinion the worst drawback is magazine capacity
2 magazines of 12 rounds is totally ridiculous. Just giving it 2 more mags would make it an okay pistol in my opinion.
You could also give it 1 extra magazine and instead of giving it 2nd mag, just improve accuracy while moving, or overall accuracy at long range
After watching vid:
Yeah, you could increase the kill reward and its price, but
i think that giving it at least one more magazine is essential.
Otherwise players with lower skill won't have any point in buying a cz
and cmon, 24 bullets? really?
I agree. 24 bullets isn’t enough
The slow drawspeed is much worse hindrance than lack of ammunition. 2 mags is still enough to kill multiple enemies and you only really need to kill 1-2 enemies with it and pick their guns.
@@tappajaav It is but only for player with good aim and control, most people might get not more that 2 kills, since you cant just dump all bullets at once. And also sometimes picking up a gun is easy and everything, but other times you might find yourself in a situation with one more enemy, or with utilities being thrown at you and then you are kinda screwed.
@@maciejprokop2001 Any gun in the game is more effective in the hands of a decent aimer.
Are you trying to reason that a $500 PISTOL should perform better than that?
As I already stated being able to kill 1-2 enemies and picking up a primary fills the goal.
Against multiple enemies/utility spammed at you you're going to be fucked regardless of the weapon.
@@tappajaav
"Are you trying to reason that a $500 PISTOL should perform better than that?"
No i am not trying to say it should perform better, what i am trying to say is that it should be more versitile just add a goddamn magazine thats it. Do not make it useless after killing 2 guys.
"As I already stated being able to kill 1-2 enemies and picking up a primary fills the goal."
That is the main goal of cz in your opinion, and that is okay, but my opinion is different:
I know how to put my thoughts in perspective:
Look at the deagle, suppose you walk alone through the map with deagle only and utils., and you do an ace-clutch. Its hard, but totally plausible to do this, you have loads of ammo and gun with great dmg
Now do the same with only cz-75 and utilities. You will be under constant pressure and stress about the ammunition, you may not take a chance on a wallbang which could change the outcome of the round.
Also in my opinion you should almost never balance a gun of nerf it by giving it less ammunition, there are a lot of other stats, which can be nerfed. I am not saying that every gun should have 100 ammunition, but there is NO pistol in the game which has only 2 mags
(R8 is an exception, but it playstyle justifies that, it is totally possible to ace with that thing and kill 5 guys)
But lets get past that... I agree to disagree with you, our opinions are different and it is a normal thing.
the only thing i want from CZ is to increase draw time speed
WHAT
@@k0b128 did you not see how slow it is when you pull it out?
@@s0meRand0m129 And you want to make it slower?
@@k0b128 i may just gone full retard
@@k0b128 He likes to suffer.
Good vid mischevious Penguin
i now use it in cs2 with the whole new loadout system as it fills a unique role as an almost better version of the zeus or a cheaper shotgun and can be used to steal enemies weapons by hiding around a tight corner
but any strat that i use isn't to be taken seriously since i assume my rank will be around 1k elo
The only gun to come with assembly instructions
I feel like flusha was way more of a cz criminal than JW.
For me: 1 extra bullet per mag + kill reward and/or price change would make it a lot less awkward to use.
Changing price and reward is not as important as changing slot. Tec-9 and 5-7 are the best general purpose pistols while CZ75 is a good situational pistol. Every time I pick CZ for the match I found myself starved out if I need a secondary, especially on T side.
CZ is good in wingman pistol round as you can kill 2 targets with one mag, especially flash-peak long
I think they need to just add the extra weapons wheel to the buy menu so you can buy whatever you want.
I mained cloud cuz I love FF7 and then when I get rid of my switch to go to PC he becomes a top tier.
God DAMNIT.
completely agree on the CZ kill reward, I really like the idea of the R8 as an alternative to the Deagle but it's just so bad against fast players, I can't see it's place, it is extremely slow, needs a headshot to kill, takes ages to ready, expensive for what it is; possibly the worst gun in the game?
Love to see FiveseveN love, deeply underrated gun all my friends think I'm crazy but it slaps. 1 shot headshot (with armour) at short to short-medium range, accurate double/triple tap, *91% armour penetration*. All for only $500 with a $300 reward.
Nice Persona background music.
For me, CZ is like a better Zeus, so I don't agree with the suggestion of reducing its price: It would make Zeus totally obsolete. You may not care about the Zeus when it comes to balancing, but I bet Valve does (though I suppose they could also lower Zeus's price to $100). I agree with the suggestion of increasing the kill reward, though. I have no idea why both the CZ and the Zeus still suffer from reduced kill rewards, especially considering that they are best used in eco/half buy rounds.
CZ today is mostly useless if you play it like you would play any other gun: Getting the first kill is trivially easy if the enemy does not fully expect you, but getting a second kill is almost impossible without a reload (which takes ages). That is why I see it as a better Zeus: It has a longer range than Zeus, it is more reliable than Zeus, you get to use it one more time if you get away with a kill but cannot pick up the victim's weapon, and it would be useful in almost all situations where a Zeus could be useful.
The Five-SeveN cannot provide the same DPS to a single enemy unless you manage to hit an instant headshot, which makes it a worse pistol for any opponent that could beat me in a full match of CSGO.
if that change was made, making the CZ $300 and kr $300, I would try it out for a while, but I would probably still be a tec-9/5.7 fanboy after dropping kills or running out of ammo. I think if they do make the change it would be good to add another mag for it, now I could spam a mag through spoke without gutting myself.
very nice video, thank you!
2:57 rare vid of awp with 10 bullets
Still use the CZ every match gotta keep my ikea gun
cassette goated skin honestly
Yes, JW and the CZ75 are both in common. They're both a shell of their former selves.
Tbh I still use it as CT, five seven is amazing yes, but CZ-75 I can mag dumb someone by sneaking up behind them.
The CZ can now be easily outclassed by the Zeus. They should give it relevance as they are doing with all the other optional weapons. The MP7 is basically the same as the MP5, the P2000 is worse than the USP-S, but it is a better version of the glock and the M4A1-S is now worse, but more accurate than the M4A4.
Since the deagle is now pretty much useless unless Onedeag, the CZ should be more expensive at 700$ and being a good low buy killing machine with higher firerate and armor penetration.
The day the CZ was nerfed in 2018 I got a 1v5 in an open match because I got shot down to 3 HP instead of being one shot
Goofy ahh uncle production
I still use the CZ daily and frag quite often with it on ecos.
The idea of the gun is to kill a enemy on eco rounds and gather a ak47 with it or m4a1s, so basically you get 2200$ in value at least out of it, if successfully used. What i think valve should really do is to make it a bit more accurate, thats it, nothing more, this weapon is still strong and shouldnt be underestimated, because if all shots connect you end on the ground
Well yes, but the 57 can do the same and even better cuz it 1 shots on the head at close range. + you get much more money per kill.
they should have not nerfed it in its reload speed and shooting speed, they should have made bullets more spongy and kept the high fire rate. i think the amount of bullets should be changed back to 3 clips too if bullets were spongier. I remember thinking CZ had some of the best skins, but it was nerfed into the ground and I never really played it at all. I usually don't buy pistols unless I snipe anyway, or with a shotgun to increase my ranged firepower. I like the concept of it tho, it was the best pro days imo when cz was op.
and yeah, 5-7 best pistol in the game since deagle became useless. i strive to have one when i awp for sure. fast to draw, accurate, moderately strong damage, and high amount of bullets that shoot fast. If you buy one and stay alive, it basically pays for itself with its utility.
M4 is one thing to debate about but I think the cz is gonna be a hard catch. Just look at the revolver or the m249…
Good weapon gets buff pros don't care about it for Years. It gets slightly changed and then people complain it's been overpowered for years
i do a high risk buy pistol round and cop the five seven with Ts having no head armor just post on a angle and you can spam shots with the high capacity and kill 2-4 EASY
Yknow, it almost make sense to use it, then you remember the 5seven exists, giving you no reason to use it.
The fiveseven is my side weapon of choice.
Make a video about the revolver. It's my favorite pistol
thanks for this
Idk why the CZ now only has 1 reload, it doesn't have more bullets, it's basically 2 encounters and you're dead.
It's stupid that buying a weapon gives you less bullets than the initial one
4 months later:final SSBU update
Why not the dualies or cz?
I use the CZ for memes, its great for getting 1 kill which is often all i need it for
Cz can do some rapid damage if lined up right.
I commonly win deathmatch rounds with 5-7 only
Ah yes. The perfect semi-automatic handgun.
Now please put walnut grips on it.