Great hands-on! I especially appreciate how you opened up the laptop to show the internals. They do not look much different from an x64 laptop's internals, honestly, but that shouldn't really matter much.
@@clogged_toilet Yeah, no matter how high companies are praising their wireless headphones they all sound at best "OK", my wired headphones blow them out of the water AND they'll still work in 20+ years. Compared to wireless battery e-waste that has at best 3-4 years until you'll throw them away or somehow replace the battery.
so we need less cooling now, gpus is integrated, batteries also kept the same size meaning there's plenty of space but having a headphone jack is "hard"
I've been pretty hype for these new laptops but what I'm not hearing abut is how good that x86 emulation is. I'm keeping my fingers crossed tho. I want this!
Sounds like there's an embargo untill june 18th on any more detailed information on those specific models. But there are other Windows ARM machine you can google to see what the compatibility is like, and right now it's pretty spotty
Yep, that's the key. Of course Microsoft and the manufacturers don't want you to really think about it since they're talking about native apps but if there is to be a real transition to ARM for the PC platform in general that emulation needs to be very good or it just won't happen, again.
Even the native games are problematic, so it must be very old game if you want to emulate properly (it has only a bit better GPU like a current flagship Android phone, so a few games what they showed only was capable to run with 30-40fps on just 1080p.. if you add that they need any emulation for that, it's just further decrease the already low performance.. i mean Vulkan is one of the worst in stability, so there is a huge gap in the min/max fps, so if the game average fps just 30-40 than you will deffinetly notice the 15-20 fps moments, even if you consider the 30fps as playable state)
But what about someone like myself who's in publishing (so I need the media functions like the superior display, audio, etc.) but wants the durability and reliability of the Thinkpad line? This is a middle ground that no one seems to be addressing effectively, and it should be easy for Lenovo, imo. Terrific review, thank you!
I was thinking about the same thing. I want this business ThinkPad but with Mini-LED 165Hz display. I currently own X1 Carbon and it is a great laptop, just requires better battery life and display to be perfect.
Comment section is full of people wishing the best for Gordon. Nobody cares about the laptop. tl;dr a discrete gpu will smoke any NPU, this NPU talk only matters for low power igpu laptops and phones that will need the help. The general public is purposely being mislead. A general purpose, modern GPU will smoke these NPUs
No headphone jack is stupid, unlike a phone you need the low latency of wired on a laptop, not to mention there is plenty of space for it. Idk what's with these companies becoming even worse than apple. First Dell now Lenovo?
@@vartannazarian3451 Great, another dongle, for a laptop that has plenty of space of ports, what a great take. BTW most good USB hubs that are reasonably size and from a reputable company don't have a headphone jack, even them couldn't predict the stupidity of removing it from a laptop.
@@houssamalucad753 Maybe, but the digital sound output is ten times purer than analog. Try a USB microphone or headset and you will see the difference in sound without parasites. But above all Today you have USB-C headsets.
Dell were (are? probably) putting 97Wh batteries in their ultrabooks, think we'll see anything like this in these ARM laptops or is it a bit excessive given how long even a 70Wh apparently lasts?
To hell with x86 and it’s 50 year tech. Finally something to give apple a run for its money. Now all we need is a gaming version with a discrete graphics card. Intel is fkd, and amd maybe moreso given liscencing and investments on x86 cr@p.
Glad to see you Gordon! I wish you well on your recovery. This EliteX looks like a glorified Chromebook. Unless the arm windows version has ironed out it's compatibility issues, I'll treat it as such. Ever since Chromebooks picked up android support on the apps side, it's much more versatile. Great for vacations, still horrible for actual work related tasks.
FWIW I truly hope that Qualcomm and Microsoft have come up with a cunning plan. So far I have not seen anything regarding performance other than some colored lines on a slide. If this works as advertised and there are no further barriers from Intel I would think that we would see a major swing away from chiplets and other mumbo jumbo marketing speak.
Sending you well wishes Gordon… I’ve been a fan since MaximumPC days in the 1990s! These ARM laptops are looking great, and seem to deliver a significant shot across the bow of Intel. Intel has been struggling to deal with a resurgent AMD (especially in the data center). The question now is how Intel will deal with the threat of an ARM invasion in Client? How are the compatibility of Windows apps on the ARM platform, is the Windows Prism emulator working well? Would you recommend an ARM laptop over say waiting for Intel Lunar Lake / Arrow Lake?
The Yoga boasts a MacBook Pro battery size on a MacBook Air chassis. With fans, for sustained performance, which the Air can’t do. With a better processor than the Air. With upgradable storage!
And with an already dead end technology.. or did you missed that part it's already need 12 power cores to give you this..? I mean the M1 Max doubled the power cores/performance and the M1 Ultra quadtrupled the power cores/performance.. but this chip need almost the same power cores like the M1 Ultra (it had 16, but those power cores gives you the performance..), so how they want to give us any better chip, what can rival the stronger Apple chip..? Because this chip is sucks on that, even on 80W you only gain 10% more performance (from 23W to 80W is about 250% extra power consumption and just 10% extra performance, so deffinetly not capable for any desktop, even if you pump 200W into it, the performance won't raise..)
@@TamasKiss-yk4st There's no point in fixating on core count and per-core performance since Qualcomm's and Apple's parts aren't directly comparable even though they're both ARM-based, just like with Intel and AMD despite both companies producing x86 CPUs. The only thing that truly matters is overall performance and battery life, and that still remains to be seen for these new Snapdragons.
@@POVwithRC Power consumption and chip size in these chips are comparable. The M Pros are a step above in both chip size and TDP. Snapdragon competitors to M Pros, M Max and M Ultras have not been announced yet.
@@TamasKiss-yk4st As far as I understand, the improvement from M to M Pro, then M Max, then M Ultra is essentially chip size, with a corresponding increase in TDP. Sure more things are added, but essentially, chip size and allowed TDP. Snapdragon X was derived from Nuvia, which itself was formed by ex Apple engineers. Their design was different from M's for focusing solely on performance cores. But in the end these are only design choices, what matters is that the current design matches or exceeds the M3 for performance and power consumption. As for how much room for improvement each platform has, that I wouldn't know. Apple's own M3 vs M2 improvement came with some not so clever tricks such as increased size and allowed TDP, which points to slowing pace of improvement. And in fact the M4 chip is rumored to be on the same path. That would even be the reason why Apple skipped the M3 and went straight to M4 in the latest iPad Pros. Performance difference between them was not so huge, so better go for the added marketing impact. Everything points to diminishing returns on future M chips. Let's see how Snapdragons do.
What a great review, so good to have your unique point of view, experience and expertise available to usher in this new range of interesting ARM-architecture Qualcomm PC's. Your absence over the last months was worrysome and now it looks as though you are back to stay! So good to see you at work again! Looking forward to watching all your coming reviews and analyses!
I don't accept that the LPDDR5X has to be soldered. CAMM2 supports LPDDR5X and it is already out in the market. You can buy it today though apparently, it takes 2 weeks to ship. If all ARM-based laptops are going to be soldered, I don't feel like I am going to be comfortable buying them. Soldered RAM bothers me may more than soldered storage, especially with USB 4 and network storage options. I feel like I might as well buy a Macbook. It's not like these are particularly cheap. While faster today, my guess is the m4 MacBooks might change that. Like I am open to ARM on Windows now that the performance is approaching high-end x86 laptop processors at a fraction of the power but we need to know iGPU performance. There is also the question of whether they will support PCIe GPUs in the form of either external GPUs or internally. I am cautiously optimistic but if the m4 family has even remotely decent Ray tracing in professional apps I might just give up on Windows.
@SpanishCandle I'd bet on it. Might be close but I don't believe it's completely flat. You seem a bit frantic over it. Why? I'm sure when it's actually for sale you will be able to see it before purchase
It's unknown today if Microsoft can move from Windows + x86 (x86_64) legacy lock-in. Microsoft alone cannot fully pull this forward alone. Not really a problem for Apple, or companies that plan to run Linux-based OS on these. x86_64 ISA has extreme amount of legacy (multiple decades), that's a blessing and the curse. Intel is trying to do something there with x86S and APX, but not sure what will happen. Anyways if you are running Linux Qualcomm has been upstreaming support for X Elite for the last few Linux kernel releases.
It will never gain traction if they try to run ARM for Windows as a variant for the consumers. Windows 12 needs to be only ARM. Something tells me that won't happen.
I really hope the build quality doesn't suck. I'm currently on a yoga slim 7 and after 2 years it's literally falling apart. The prices compared to the surface laptop are insane tho
who needs an overview of the laptop's exterior or interior, I think everyone expected its real work at the M3 level with video rendering speed and other technical indicators compared to M3.
windows laptops continue to disappoint on battery life, year after year. a 58whr battery is a dealbreaker for me, why? because a arm chip with a fan means a cpu with 5watts tdp minimum, now add the display and other motherboard components we are looking at 10-12 watts total power, divide 58whr by 10watts you get 5-6hrs of battery life. That's disappointing. Apple still has the edge when it comes to battery life.
WithIn slow future, we gono see this ARM architecture machines with current gaming laptops large heatpipe design cuze slowly they will need more TDP power and will eventually generate more heat, so it will eventually be similar (2023 or 2024 etc... heatpipe cooling design) with only processor or SOC that's being changing from x86/x64 to ARM architecture.
@@FakeGordonMahUng Oh nice, thanks for the update!. I wonder if Adam would approve of this kind of device for live streaming with multiple cameras. I wonder if we'll ever get AI triggers in OBS, where Copilot sees something happen and then that triggers an animation or announcement.
Everyone complains about the lack of upgradability but windows absolutely sucks. I was using windows and Linux and Unix operating systems for 15years,m. There’s always something wrong with windows or it gets in the way with updates and things. Mac OS is far superior in almost everything except for game support and its finder but if you’re good with a terminal it’s fine. If it wasn’t for steam for games windows would be dead to me. Mac is like having all the maintenance removed from Linux distros. ChimeraOS and Bazzite arr the only alternatives for steam on windows. If I’d get a pc other than a Mac it’s getting popos or Ubuntu installed on it. Snapdragon has to demolish m3 for me to even consider using windows
Big surprise, it launches and sucks for the vast majority of programs out there because they are programmed for X86. A 50% decrease in performance due to the translation layer basically makes this garbage. Sure you can use the edge browser to browse the web quickly, but that's about where it ends. It's only a matter of time until this hype dies down. Support is way worse than even Linux so there's no way this is going to stick around.
Just what I wanted! A revolution of locked down, useless devices with no backwards compatibility where the company who sold it to me tells me what I can and can't have as my OS! I love my lord and savior MS and The Son, CoPilot!
“Apple ARM laptops actually have fans” Only some of them do. So far from what I have seen, the X Elite is supposed to be competing against the base M series chips and sources keep quoting the Elite can beat MacBook Air. The MacBook Air is a fanless device. If these new highest end offerings from Qualcomm, can only beat the competitors lowest end chip, and it has to use a fan (a huge one at that, going by the model in this video), thats going to be rather disappointing for Windows ARM future. Still it will be nice to have more battery life compared to x86.
I'm actually quite excited about the systems coming available in June and particularly the offerings from Lenovo. I depend heavily upon my Lenovo Thinkpad L13. I know it's on the lower end of the Thinkpad lineup, but it has faithfully served my modest needs without any problems. I was disappointed when Lenovo (apparently) discontinued the initial release of the gen 4 series of the L13 lineup. Not sure what happened, but the reviews seemed poor. I suspect that is why Lenovo points customers to the new X1 series. I'm hopeful that Lenovo will restore the L13 lineup using the snapdragon elite processor. An L13 with 16GB of RAM and a 512TB SSD would do very nicely. I'd even settle for the 1920x1200 screen, as long as it was built on the 16:10 standard. The forthcoming T14s is a great looking system, but the cost would prevent any purchase by me. In contrast, an L13 snapdragon configuration could come in at a much lower price point. I believe a LOT of people would buy such a system. I believe the key word going forward is patience.
Well, with the 45 trillion operations per second of the new Snapdragon x elite processor and the 16 GB of ram, it's pretty powerful, and it makes sense because the Copilot chatgpt is integrated into the computer in Locale, making it look like Iron Man's computer with Jarvis ☺️☺️😅😅
It's not gonna matter much if people can't run all their x86 apps on it. And then there's games. Good luck running those under emulation. Prism REALLY NEEDS to deliver or this platform is bust.
Apple and this soldered SSDs with MacOS...the older macs 2015 and before you could change the SSD. 90 percent of laptops and even chromebooks you can do this. Does this change with the right to repair movement we have gaining steam. And we all know its a money thing with apple too.
Gordon may be dying, but he still hates Apple the most. Somehow, the soldered RAM suddenly stopped bothering him. ;) Fan in every Apple Laptop? NO. AIR has no fan.
Goood specs ( yeah one o is more) but why they are not giving antiglare pannel? Or can i get antiglare spectacles?😂 Because you can't properly install an antiglare screen guard on such a big display. Hope the battery capacity won't be drastically reduced by manufacturers when it comes to budget range No type A ,no headset port?? Rude👎🏻
I would really like to see the ThinkPad X1 Nano with the new ARM processors. Or any alternative - slimmer and lighter than MacBook Air. I think there is no reason for ancient USB A ports on T14s.
you know microsoft made that recall thing right...? I'm gonna avoid X elite until the end. Also... I need my old software. I personally, the battery it's not gonna be good, as long as windows keeps being bloated...
Good that Apple get some real compotition, maybe they can find in themself to up the cheapest configuration to16gb ram and perhaps also 512gb storage. A bit concerned that all reviewer talk about a product, with the product in hand, without being able to run bench marks or other tests. I think Apple have a better approach here, giving some mystical numbers in their presentation, but when the reviewers have the laptop they can do the tests they want to do.
Looks like dram at high speed 8000MTps and ssd needed passive cooling. Damn Wi-Fi is soldered. Only 5G and SSD is replaceable on a ThinkPad. Good to see you Gordon. Especially like the Casio than x Elite laptop
You mean like Game Boy Advance from 2001, PlayStation Vita from 2011 or Nintendo Switch from 2017..? It's not that big thing, i mean there are tons of ARM based handhelds already (most of them from Nintendo)
Important note: the laptop people keep comparing this to, the MacBook Air, is indeed a fanless ARM laptop. All these comparisons are being made against Apple's lowest performance, lowest wattage laptop chip, in a fanless chassis.
classic thinkpads. sorry but its literally trash at past companies i worked in (uses lenovo for whole company). less than a year, motherboard issues. or laptop adapter not charging...or keep on hanging at random times. its the first brand i cross off my list when i was considering a laptop recently.
No 3,5 is really dumb decision! It is not just headphones but also ext. Mic as well. I hate conferences sooo much when people use their shitty internal mics.
So another attempt from Microsoft to carve out an Apple niche for themselves. I bet the Arm on WIndows software delivery will be MS store only and that will be the death of it right there ....
Started to watch the video, and if there is not even a damn 3.5mm headphone jack, then there is no chance I'm gonna get that laptop. I like the idea of it having the x elite, but otherwise the lack of ports is not worth it.
Gordon looking great, hope he overcomes this soon
What happened to him?
@@bruceparker3139 Recovering from Cancer
Lung cancer
@@thehahahaha88 ouch.
@@thehahahaha88😢😢😢 I'm only just discovering him, I wish him the best
Gordon get better soon!
Ensure Linux support for a few major distros and Bazinga.
thanks to Gordon. Great to see him back at work!
Gordon is the best! The laptop looks great too...hopefully, it'll be great in the real world.
I was really hoping to get some Gordon Benchmarks of this!
"Anti-Notch"... 😄 is that Lenovo's official feature or Gordon's anti-Apple spiel?
Gordon good to see you
Great hands-on! I especially appreciate how you opened up the laptop to show the internals. They do not look much different from an x64 laptop's internals, honestly, but that shouldn't really matter much.
surprised the Solid state cooling solution hasnt came to laptops yet
shockingly, can you imagine the combo with these arm chips if they actually deliver,
Linus Sebastian may be blocking that 😂
Airjet still needs to overcome early production woes to be more widely available. Still a bit of a premium I suspect.
Eso. That's what I want to see Gordon's back in action. Hopefully, we're going to see nice-looking charts soon.
Frore's Airjets and ARM chips would make an ideal pairing, at least on paper.
A.Laptop.needs.a.headphone.jack.
no headphone jack is straight up ridiculous, even apple have them on the air line
@@clogged_toilet Yeah, no matter how high companies are praising their wireless headphones they all sound at best "OK", my wired headphones blow them out of the water AND they'll still work in 20+ years. Compared to wireless battery e-waste that has at best 3-4 years until you'll throw them away or somehow replace the battery.
so we need less cooling now, gpus is integrated, batteries also kept the same size meaning there's plenty of space but having a headphone jack is "hard"
No it doesn’t
It’s 2024. Go back to the 90s with your wired headphones
I've been pretty hype for these new laptops but what I'm not hearing abut is how good that x86 emulation is. I'm keeping my fingers crossed tho. I want this!
Sounds like there's an embargo untill june 18th on any more detailed information on those specific models. But there are other Windows ARM machine you can google to see what the compatibility is like, and right now it's pretty spotty
Yep, that's the key.
Of course Microsoft and the manufacturers don't want you to really think about it since they're talking about native apps but if there is to be a real transition to ARM for the PC platform in general that emulation needs to be very good or it just won't happen, again.
Pretty cool! Hope to catch you at Computex Gordon!
I think on the last live stream he said he wasn't going. But I think Adam is though.
Welcome back! Missed you!
What happened to Gordon? He seems so thin.
@@falconeagle3655 Looking around, seems he has lung cancer unfortunatelly
@@stefanorigato Probably "had", not "has". The chemo is supposed to drive it into some form of remission.
@@falconeagle3655Lung cancer
Gordon may be dying, but he still hates Apple the most.
Compatibility with old and less demanding games to play during lunch and study breaks? Minesweeper? Stardew Valley? World of Warships? Crysis? GTA V?
If they became succesful in a year or two you will have all the games on ARM.
It can play all those games you've listed
Even the native games are problematic, so it must be very old game if you want to emulate properly (it has only a bit better GPU like a current flagship Android phone, so a few games what they showed only was capable to run with 30-40fps on just 1080p.. if you add that they need any emulation for that, it's just further decrease the already low performance.. i mean Vulkan is one of the worst in stability, so there is a huge gap in the min/max fps, so if the game average fps just 30-40 than you will deffinetly notice the 15-20 fps moments, even if you consider the 30fps as playable state)
😂
When apple launched the M1 a lot of apps where slow and many didn't run at all, in time developers made those apps native and now they are fast
Love you Gordon! So great to always see you, you are awesome!!!
All that effort.... just to run Windows... Still might buy one when it runs Linux natively. Thanks Gordon.
Anyone knows if RAM in these Snapdragon laptops is embedded in the SOC as is the case in Apple’s M processors?
But what about someone like myself who's in publishing (so I need the media functions like the superior display, audio, etc.) but wants the durability and reliability of the Thinkpad line? This is a middle ground that no one seems to be addressing effectively, and it should be easy for Lenovo, imo. Terrific review, thank you!
I was thinking about the same thing. I want this business ThinkPad but with Mini-LED 165Hz display. I currently own X1 Carbon and it is a great laptop, just requires better battery life and display to be perfect.
Comment section is full of people wishing the best for Gordon. Nobody cares about the laptop.
tl;dr a discrete gpu will smoke any NPU, this NPU talk only matters for low power igpu laptops and phones that will need the help. The general public is purposely being mislead. A general purpose, modern GPU will smoke these NPUs
No headphone jack is stupid, unlike a phone you need the low latency of wired on a laptop, not to mention there is plenty of space for it. Idk what's with these companies becoming even worse than apple. First Dell now Lenovo?
Buy a usb-c hub with jack output😂
@@vartannazarian3451 Great, another dongle, for a laptop that has plenty of space of ports, what a great take.
BTW most good USB hubs that are reasonably size and from a reputable company don't have a headphone jack, even them couldn't predict the stupidity of removing it from a laptop.
@@houssamalucad753 Maybe, but the digital sound output is ten times purer than analog. Try a USB microphone or headset and you will see the difference in sound without parasites. But above all Today you have USB-C headsets.
The first look we've been waiting for. Thanks Gordon.
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Opportunity lost for not saying the 'ARMageddon is upon us'
PLEASE, get us Linux running on these!
Wonderful to see Gordon back with his take on cutting edge tech - you're looking great and I can't stop similing! 😊😊
Dell were (are? probably) putting 97Wh batteries in their ultrabooks, think we'll see anything like this in these ARM laptops or is it a bit excessive given how long even a 70Wh apparently lasts?
To hell with x86 and it’s 50 year tech. Finally something to give apple a run for its money. Now all we need is a gaming version with a discrete graphics card. Intel is fkd, and amd maybe moreso given liscencing and investments on x86 cr@p.
Glad to see you Gordon! I wish you well on your recovery.
This EliteX looks like a glorified Chromebook. Unless the arm windows version has ironed out it's compatibility issues, I'll treat it as such. Ever since Chromebooks picked up android support on the apps side, it's much more versatile. Great for vacations, still horrible for actual work related tasks.
FWIW I truly hope that Qualcomm and Microsoft have come up with a cunning plan. So far I have not seen anything regarding performance other than some colored lines on a slide. If this works as advertised and there are no further barriers from Intel I would think that we would see a major swing away from chiplets and other mumbo jumbo marketing speak.
Gordon is a real one.
Who calls it a headset port? 😂 Its headphone jack 😂
So the longer M2 2280 SSDs would be incompatible on the T14s? What about the Yoga?
Sending you well wishes Gordon… I’ve been a fan since MaximumPC days in the 1990s! These ARM laptops are looking great, and seem to deliver a significant shot across the bow of Intel. Intel has been struggling to deal with a resurgent AMD (especially in the data center). The question now is how Intel will deal with the threat of an ARM invasion in Client? How are the compatibility of Windows apps on the ARM platform, is the Windows Prism emulator working well? Would you recommend an ARM laptop over say waiting for Intel Lunar Lake / Arrow Lake?
The Yoga boasts a MacBook Pro battery size on a MacBook Air chassis. With fans, for sustained performance, which the Air can’t do. With a better processor than the Air. With upgradable storage!
How come all the literature has been comparing these to the Air and not the Pro? I don't see parallels to the air at all.
And with an already dead end technology.. or did you missed that part it's already need 12 power cores to give you this..? I mean the M1 Max doubled the power cores/performance and the M1 Ultra quadtrupled the power cores/performance.. but this chip need almost the same power cores like the M1 Ultra (it had 16, but those power cores gives you the performance..), so how they want to give us any better chip, what can rival the stronger Apple chip..? Because this chip is sucks on that, even on 80W you only gain 10% more performance (from 23W to 80W is about 250% extra power consumption and just 10% extra performance, so deffinetly not capable for any desktop, even if you pump 200W into it, the performance won't raise..)
@@TamasKiss-yk4st There's no point in fixating on core count and per-core performance since Qualcomm's and Apple's parts aren't directly comparable even though they're both ARM-based, just like with Intel and AMD despite both companies producing x86 CPUs. The only thing that truly matters is overall performance and battery life, and that still remains to be seen for these new Snapdragons.
@@POVwithRC Power consumption and chip size in these chips are comparable. The M Pros are a step above in both chip size and TDP. Snapdragon competitors to M Pros, M Max and M Ultras have not been announced yet.
@@TamasKiss-yk4st As far as I understand, the improvement from M to M Pro, then M Max, then M Ultra is essentially chip size, with a corresponding increase in TDP. Sure more things are added, but essentially, chip size and allowed TDP. Snapdragon X was derived from Nuvia, which itself was formed by ex Apple engineers. Their design was different from M's for focusing solely on performance cores. But in the end these are only design choices, what matters is that the current design matches or exceeds the M3 for performance and power consumption.
As for how much room for improvement each platform has, that I wouldn't know. Apple's own M3 vs M2 improvement came with some not so clever tricks such as increased size and allowed TDP, which points to slowing pace of improvement. And in fact the M4 chip is rumored to be on the same path. That would even be the reason why Apple skipped the M3 and went straight to M4 in the latest iPad Pros. Performance difference between them was not so huge, so better go for the added marketing impact. Everything points to diminishing returns on future M chips. Let's see how Snapdragons do.
What a great review, so good to have your unique point of view, experience and expertise available to usher in this new range of interesting ARM-architecture Qualcomm PC's. Your absence over the last months was worrysome and now it looks as though you are back to stay! So good to see you at work again! Looking forward to watching all your coming reviews and analyses!
Igpu needs to surpass 780m and im all in. Especially on a handheld gaming pc or gpd win mini style device. So many possibilities
Nah the "my rotten coworker is Gona eat this" was personal
WOW, these are nice, replaceable M.2 and the one I peeked at online was only $1,200, and has 32GB RAM, $1,700 model has a NUTS, 64GB RAM
But a very lackluster gpu.
I don't accept that the LPDDR5X has to be soldered. CAMM2 supports LPDDR5X and it is already out in the market. You can buy it today though apparently, it takes 2 weeks to ship. If all ARM-based laptops are going to be soldered, I don't feel like I am going to be comfortable buying them. Soldered RAM bothers me may more than soldered storage, especially with USB 4 and network storage options. I feel like I might as well buy a Macbook. It's not like these are particularly cheap. While faster today, my guess is the m4 MacBooks might change that. Like I am open to ARM on Windows now that the performance is approaching high-end x86 laptop processors at a fraction of the power but we need to know iGPU performance. There is also the question of whether they will support PCIe GPUs in the form of either external GPUs or internally. I am cautiously optimistic but if the m4 family has even remotely decent Ray tracing in professional apps I might just give up on Windows.
no expandable m.2 slot = trash.. seriously...
One port to rule them all. All other ports rest in peace. Much welcomed.
I am from India looking for 16inch 17inch Snapdragon X Elite Windows Copilot+ ( OS) Laptops.
Can you please let us know if the yoga opens flat (180 degrees) ? This info is not available anywhere
You can see it doesn't by the hinge
@@bignicnrg3856 how can you tell exactly. Are you 100% sure?
@@SpanishCandleYeah, look at the fuckin hinge.
@SpanishCandle I'd bet on it. Might be close but I don't believe it's completely flat. You seem a bit frantic over it. Why? I'm sure when it's actually for sale you will be able to see it before purchase
@@bignicnrg3856why frantic? I’m debating which one to preorder
😮that thing is thinnnnnn. I rlly want to upgrade from my amd lenovo yoga 7
It's unknown today if Microsoft can move from Windows + x86 (x86_64) legacy lock-in. Microsoft alone cannot fully pull this forward alone. Not really a problem for Apple, or companies that plan to run Linux-based OS on these. x86_64 ISA has extreme amount of legacy (multiple decades), that's a blessing and the curse. Intel is trying to do something there with x86S and APX, but not sure what will happen. Anyways if you are running Linux Qualcomm has been upstreaming support for X Elite for the last few Linux kernel releases.
It will never gain traction if they try to run ARM for Windows as a variant for the consumers. Windows 12 needs to be only ARM. Something tells me that won't happen.
I don't understand the sentiment that Microsoft has to play catch-up when it was Windows that appeared on ARM first.
I really hope the build quality doesn't suck. I'm currently on a yoga slim 7 and after 2 years it's literally falling apart. The prices compared to the surface laptop are insane tho
The ThinkPad tax on that snapdragon based T14s is huge compared to Yoga snapdragon, like £500 more for the same spec, weird.
Snapdragon X Elite 🚀 🚀 🚀
I like the shout out to Apple 🍏 he made
who needs an overview of the laptop's exterior or interior, I think everyone expected its real work at the M3 level with video rendering speed and other technical indicators compared to M3.
windows laptops continue to disappoint on battery life, year after year. a 58whr battery is a dealbreaker for me, why? because a arm chip with a fan means a cpu with 5watts tdp minimum, now add the display and other motherboard components we are looking at 10-12 watts total power, divide 58whr by 10watts you get 5-6hrs of battery life. That's disappointing. Apple still has the edge when it comes to battery life.
👍 MVP
Thank you Apple, for making this reality
Looks promising, upgradable RAM with LPCAMM2 would be amazing, I miss the 3,5 mm jack dual device Bluetooth is a mess
WithIn slow future, we gono see this ARM architecture machines with current gaming laptops large heatpipe design cuze slowly they will need more TDP power and will eventually generate more heat, so it will eventually be similar (2023 or 2024 etc... heatpipe cooling design) with only processor or SOC that's being changing from x86/x64 to ARM architecture.
I think it's USB4 on the Slim 7x, not Thunderbolt4
Wish you al the best man !!!!!
Damn, I wish Lenovo kept some legacy ports such as full size HDMI 2.1, Micro SD Card slot, USB-A 3.2 Gen2 port
Glad to see you back, great video
I had an ARM PC back in the late 80's. I'm looking forward to seeing the new 2024 versions.
Q: Does this CPU support AV1 encoding for streaming? Any word on OBS support?
I'm hearing it has AV1 encode at 4K but not 8K...
@@FakeGordonMahUng Oh nice, thanks for the update!. I wonder if Adam would approve of this kind of device for live streaming with multiple cameras. I wonder if we'll ever get AI triggers in OBS, where Copilot sees something happen and then that triggers an animation or announcement.
If we hear fan noise or not doesn't depend on the ISA but only in the TDP and the general efficiency with daily tasks.
Apples best? What do you mean, it’s always compared to a MacBook Air which doesn’t have a fan!?!
I'm using an analog earphones while watching and listening to this review...
same lol
Everyone complains about the lack of upgradability but windows absolutely sucks. I was using windows and Linux and Unix operating systems for 15years,m. There’s always something wrong with windows or it gets in the way with updates and things. Mac OS is far superior in almost everything except for game support and its finder but if you’re good with a terminal it’s fine. If it wasn’t for steam for games windows would be dead to me. Mac is like having all the maintenance removed from Linux distros. ChimeraOS and Bazzite arr the only alternatives for steam on windows. If I’d get a pc other than a Mac it’s getting popos or Ubuntu installed on it. Snapdragon has to demolish m3 for me to even consider using windows
Big surprise, it launches and sucks for the vast majority of programs out there because they are programmed for X86. A 50% decrease in performance due to the translation layer basically makes this garbage. Sure you can use the edge browser to browse the web quickly, but that's about where it ends. It's only a matter of time until this hype dies down. Support is way worse than even Linux so there's no way this is going to stick around.
Mmm 🤔 I hate this no/few ports trend
Just what I wanted! A revolution of locked down, useless devices with no backwards compatibility where the company who sold it to me tells me what I can and can't have as my OS! I love my lord and savior MS and The Son, CoPilot!
I am now left wondering would a snapdragon x elite handheld actually be possible because it would be nice to have one with way better battery life
No Trackpoint?! Why Lenovo?!
Adreno GPU gaming performance
As cool as Windows on Arm is, Gordon those jeans look cooler! They appear to have a dyed warp & weft. They look really slubby too.
I really home laptops don't pick up on the stupid trend of losing the headphone jack.
X Elite version in each announced laptop:
• Microsoft Surface Pro 11: Snapdragon X1E-
84-100
• Microsoft Surface Laptop 7: Snapdragon
X1E-84-100
• Dell XPS 13 (2024): Snapdragon X1E-84-100
• Dell Inspiron 14 Plus: Snapdragon X1E-80-
100
• Dell Inspiron 14: Snapdragon X1E-78-100 U
• Dell Latitude 7455: Option for either
Snapdragon X1E-84-100 or X1E-80-100
• Dell Latitude 5455: Snapdragon X1E-80-100
• HP OmniBook X AI PC: Snapdragon X1E-78-
100
• HP EliteBook Ultra G1q Al PC: Snapdragon
X1E-84-100
• Acer Swift 14 Al: Snapdragon X1E-78-100
• Lenovo Yoga Al PCs: Snapdragon X1E-84-
100
• Lenovo ThinkPad Al PCs: Snapdragon X1E-
84-100
• Asus Vivobook S 15 OLED: Snapdragon X1E-78-100
“Apple ARM laptops actually have fans”
Only some of them do. So far from what I have seen, the X Elite is supposed to be competing against the base M series chips and sources keep quoting the Elite can beat MacBook Air. The MacBook Air is a fanless device.
If these new highest end offerings from Qualcomm, can only beat the competitors lowest end chip, and it has to use a fan (a huge one at that, going by the model in this video), thats going to be rather disappointing for Windows ARM future. Still it will be nice to have more battery life compared to x86.
They need to build a compatibility tool like Rosetta but for Windows
Im getting this for sure but if Lenovo wants people to buy it then they should fix these problems
No headphones jack
Hdmi port
Usb A
I'm actually quite excited about the systems coming available in June and particularly the offerings from Lenovo. I depend heavily upon my Lenovo Thinkpad L13. I know it's on the lower end of the Thinkpad lineup, but it has faithfully served my modest needs without any problems. I was disappointed when Lenovo (apparently) discontinued the initial release of the gen 4 series of the L13 lineup. Not sure what happened, but the reviews seemed poor. I suspect that is why Lenovo points customers to the new X1 series. I'm hopeful that Lenovo will restore the L13 lineup using the snapdragon elite processor. An L13 with 16GB of RAM and a 512TB SSD would do very nicely. I'd even settle for the 1920x1200 screen, as long as it was built on the 16:10 standard. The forthcoming T14s is a great looking system, but the cost would prevent any purchase by me. In contrast, an L13 snapdragon configuration could come in at a much lower price point. I believe a LOT of people would buy such a system. I believe the key word going forward is patience.
This looks promising and solid. Even though I wanted a X13s, I'll to wait a year, maybe even more, just to get field reviews from more users.
Well, with the 45 trillion operations per second of the new Snapdragon x elite processor and the 16 GB of ram, it's pretty powerful, and it makes sense because the Copilot chatgpt is integrated into the computer in Locale, making it look like Iron Man's computer with Jarvis ☺️☺️😅😅
It's not gonna matter much if people can't run all their x86 apps on it. And then there's games. Good luck running those under emulation. Prism REALLY NEEDS to deliver or this platform is bust.
Apple and this soldered SSDs with MacOS...the older macs 2015 and before you could change the SSD. 90 percent of laptops and even chromebooks you can do this. Does this change with the right to repair movement we have gaining steam. And we all know its a money thing with apple too.
Gordon may be dying, but he still hates Apple the most.
Somehow, the soldered RAM suddenly stopped bothering him. ;)
Fan in every Apple Laptop? NO. AIR has no fan.
Goood specs ( yeah one o is more) but why they are not giving antiglare pannel? Or can i get antiglare spectacles?😂 Because you can't properly install an antiglare screen guard on such a big display. Hope the battery capacity won't be drastically reduced by manufacturers when it comes to budget range
No type A ,no headset port?? Rude👎🏻
Love to Gordon, the rest matters less.
I would really like to see the ThinkPad X1 Nano with the new ARM processors. Or any alternative - slimmer and lighter than MacBook Air. I think there is no reason for ancient USB A ports on T14s.
you know microsoft made that recall thing right...? I'm gonna avoid X elite until the end. Also... I need my old software. I personally, the battery it's not gonna be good, as long as windows keeps being bloated...
I was under the impression there would be no fan in these laptops. Like the air
The Snapdragon X Elite performs like a MacBook Pro M3, and the MacBook Pro also has fans
Having no fans is a plainly inferior solution, you lose performance, period. Lol
Good that Apple get some real compotition, maybe they can find in themself to up the cheapest configuration to16gb ram and perhaps also 512gb storage. A bit concerned that all reviewer talk about a product, with the product in hand, without being able to run bench marks or other tests. I think Apple have a better approach here, giving some mystical numbers in their presentation, but when the reviewers have the laptop they can do the tests they want to do.
Looks like dram at high speed 8000MTps and ssd needed passive cooling. Damn Wi-Fi is soldered. Only 5G and SSD is replaceable on a ThinkPad. Good to see you Gordon. Especially like the Casio than x Elite laptop
What if company making the arm base handheld system
There are already a ton of arm based handhelds. But Windows arm based may be better. Makes me wonder if we will see Windows phones make a comeback.
You mean like Game Boy Advance from 2001, PlayStation Vita from 2011 or Nintendo Switch from 2017..? It's not that big thing, i mean there are tons of ARM based handhelds already (most of them from Nintendo)
Great to see you Gordon! Been a huge fan of your work over the years. Wishing you the best of health ❤
Important note: the laptop people keep comparing this to, the MacBook Air, is indeed a fanless ARM laptop. All these comparisons are being made against Apple's lowest performance, lowest wattage laptop chip, in a fanless chassis.
classic thinkpads. sorry but its literally trash at past companies i worked in (uses lenovo for whole company). less than a year, motherboard issues. or laptop adapter not charging...or keep on hanging at random times. its the first brand i cross off my list when i was considering a laptop recently.
No 3,5 is really dumb decision!
It is not just headphones but also ext. Mic as well. I hate conferences sooo much when people use their shitty internal mics.
New Thinkpad design looks so ugly. The total black color is too away of retro look Thinkpad line used to had. Also, that webcam bump isn't needed.
So another attempt from Microsoft to carve out an Apple niche for themselves. I bet the Arm on WIndows software delivery will be MS store only and that will be the death of it right there ....
yoga means f 360deg not this, I still use my x1 yoga and love it wish they make like that but with this cpu and ofc not 2500$
Started to watch the video, and if there is not even a damn 3.5mm headphone jack, then there is no chance I'm gonna get that laptop. I like the idea of it having the x elite, but otherwise the lack of ports is not worth it.