It seriously takes a special kind of person to go through what he's going through, but still never fail to come through with his passion for computer and hardware and sharing it with all of us. So inspirational. Keep it going Gordon, wishing you the best!
Have never spoken here but have always followed this great guy. Great work as always, my respect to the legend, best wishes for you buddy. From Dominican Republic.
Gordon, I remember catching your airjet mini coverage, and now this. I wish that we could stop the world for a few moments, and I could talk with you in person, give you a hug, and say thank you for the time, and content, but beyond that, to show appreciation for you still being here, and striving to still go to work, to speak with us consumers, but right now, I just wish we could take out a literal moment to thank you, for the career, time, and just being on this earth. I try not to get to emotional, but seeing you visually today, just tears at my heart. My grandma had lung cancer, lymp nodes removed, and shes now skinny, struggles with food/sleep, and It hurts me more then anything else in my personal life. I, and everyone whose watched you report on tech news, is hoping to see you get better, add your weight back up, and to win this battle. If a day comes where you don't, we hope PCWorld flys your name as high in the internet sky as possible, thank you. My sincerest condolences, friend.
eHugs to you Gordon. Get well soon man! 🤗 Very interesting move from Intel, surely in the right direction. they surely feeling the heat from AMD and Snapdragon
Good job Gordon, the best review I have seen so far today, overall Strix seems to be the chip to beat, it's just good at everything. It will be interesting to see battery life tests of the Zenbook S14 with the 288V and the S16 with the HX 370 with the rest of the tested laptops in an offscreen test with an external monitor.
Lunar Lake seems perfect for ultra thin and light. There is a reason the MacBook Air is very popular. Majority of people will be very happy with Lunar Lake.
Yup- i wanna say like .00025% of laptop users will use blender or adobe premier lol they will surf web do office apps watch content and play a few games. this wins at all of this with better battery life should be the best system for 95% of the people
@@moneypressoverdrive2020Casual Gamers are happy with mobile gaming on their smartphones. Hobbyist gamers areg happy with the gaming consoles (PlayStation, Xbox, Nitendo). Enthusiasts will use a gaming laptop or desktop computer. Lunar Lake is not for the niche users.
@@mmadevgame people have different priorities. Most people the priority is not the advantage Strix Point offers but the advantage Lunar Lake offers. If you need more multithread performance get Strix Point.
I just want you to know Gordon: Thank you for the decades of laughs and dedication to your profession and this community. It means a lot that your hanging with us even in the face of the possible end. I don't believe in a PC Master Race, but dang if you don't make a argument for it just by being the Bad*ss you are. I'm not sure if I could keep my head or heart in place of I knew I might not be here in the future. I rooting for you, but even if the sunsets - just know that no one here will forget you or your life's work. I know you've got a loving family, but you also have created a few generations of readers and fans who you helped find their passion. ♥️
>I don't believe in a PC Master Race When the PS5 PRO launches for $700 with no disc drive, PC will have finally won the war. Xbox doesn't even exist anymore. Nintendo is a shell of its former self. PC wins by default.
Thanks for the in depth review Gordon. These are very interesting. I'm not quite sure what I would pick if I needed efficiency, and didn't care about gaming or production stuff. But I think Lunar Lake is doing exactly what Intel wanted.
Not sure what the actual running clock speeds are and how much difference there is in the RAM config, but assuming they are reaching the max turbo speeds (4.8GHz for both) and RAM config doesn't make too much difference... 155H, 258V, IPC change (single thread) Cinebench: 104, 122, 17% Geekbench: 2397, 2769, 16% Puget Photoshop (not single thread but also not greatly helped by having massive number of threads): 6215, 6776, 9% Overall, noticeable but not impressive for having given up SMT and integrating the RAM, both of which should be giving minor performance increases. ~30% increase in battery efficiency over Meteor Lake, and even beating out SXE is pretty amazing though! On another note, Gordon, I've been reading/watching your work since I got into this hobby 2 decades ago. I hope to continue seeing your work for the years to come as well. Words over the internet don't helpmuch fighting health problems, but as others have expressed, I wish your well ❤
Great review, glad to see Intel basically achieved what it intended with Lunar Lake, which was maximized power efficiency. I look forward to seeing what Arrow Lake will bring
Lunar Lake really shines when it comes to battery saving reaching same or better results as X-Elite. It looses a bit with the GPU gaming performance where AMD traditionally leads when it comes to SoCs. Overall it's a great piece of silicon for thin, ultra portable laptops targeting long battery life. It really depends what is your computing preference. Thx a lot Gordon, great to see u back, all best and get well!🙏
This is the first test I see with the three platforms on the exact same chassy and internal configuration. What a treat! Good job Intel! I wonder if Arrow Lake will maintain mostly the same level of efficiency, we need multicore performance and efficiency, too.
It will clearly not be as efficient, but should be significantly more efficient than Raptor Lake. For starters, as compared to Lunar Lake, it will have more cores and it won't have the RAM directly on the chip (which helps with power usage). 2nd, it's designed and configured to run at higher frequencies and that means higher power draw and the power draw increase is not linear.
@@PixelatedWolf2077 The rumors say that Arrow Lake will have an Alchemist-based iGPU. So the previous generation, what Meteor Lake uses. And some/most if maybe even all the SKUs might only have a minimal number of iGPU cores (like 1-2 instead of 7-8 that LL has). Because they're expencting them to be shipped with dedicated GPUs.
After my 13900k died I replaced it with a 14900k but then immediately built a 9950x system because I didn't trust the Intel 13/14th gen reliability (I use my pc for work). The 9950x is the fastest non High End chip you can buy right now. It's on par with a 7800X3D in games and just shreds multi-core stuff.
@@jabronilifestyle LoL, R9 9950X *IS* high-end!. If you're thinking about Threadripper and Epyc, those are enthusiast and business level. Basically different category. Low/medium/high end refers to consumer level.
Is it possible to do that test in cinebench where you select the number threads? Because the truth is most apps aren’t gonna spin up 12 cores. It’s nice to see how they scale in the middle.
this whole "ARM onslaught" is 99% hype and marketing. these processors are a total joke for just about any serious real-world task, from games to CAD, etc, and x86 arch doesn't actually have a real alternative.
Yup. Though to be fair to them (annoying marketing aside) it's the first generation. It should get better with time, and pretty fast, I think. Lastly, some of their problems is Microsoft, which can't use its own AI to make Prism just as good as Rosetta 2. Or be good in general. Or maybe the AI isn't as magically powerful as they say it is ... that cannot be, right ? Anyway, some compatibility problems are from Prism being incompetent. And it's only the 3rd attempt from Microsoft, also after being shown by Apple how to do it. I think you can tell I'm not a big Microsoft fan, so I'll stop here.
@@Winnetou17 With Apple Silicon the software vendors either have to migrate to ARM, or it's game over for them because Apple will never return to x86, ever again. With Windows both Microsoft and the software vendors have to keep supporting x86 and develop on ARM, and that costs money and time, for a platform with a relatively uncertain future. (If MS goes all out on ARM, why not go all the way to RISC-V?) Imagine Microsoft making Windows 12 an ARM exclusive, and will no longer support x86 ever again in future Windows editions. Now imagine all those developers start to panic and rush development, in order to make their software run on ARM.
I almost like mini computer reviews for laptop parts, better than laptop reviews. Because they generally tend to be more flexible with their cooling, and bio settings. HP and Dell are going to thermally contain you to whatever their chassis can handle but many computers tend to have a lot more headroom.
I feel like the more relevant test for Macs will be when they drop the M4 MacBooks. And it might not hurt to throw in a base model MacBook Pro, because these are flagship CPU’s for the X 86, but the M3 is an entry level CPU. In the end, x86 is driven by software compatibility more than anything else. Even if a MacBook Pro out performs it, you can’t run a lot the same software.
@@JayDee-b5u It clearly does. In a live YT, Ian Cutress said that having the memory on the chip, you can run the memory controller with 100 mV less. And it's one of the reasons why Apple's M chips are so efficient. Which I did shout to many that it's not just ARM that's making them efficient, there's multiple parts. So glad to see Lunar Lake launched and these "bUt ArM iS sO mUcH mOrE eFfiCieNt huRR diE x86 DuRr" be finally silenced. Though to be fair, I did expect a bit more. M3 still dominates in single thread and M4 is just around the corner. So Apple, on their part/area/segment will still dominate. But it's nice to see that at least on the PC side things have gotten much better, the whole day of work should finally be a given for selected chips/laptops. I also can't wait to see how Linux runs on these. Linux is much less bloated the Windows, so we could see even better battery life with it.
![ASUS Zenbook S 14 - The MacBook Killer!? [Intel Lunar Lake TESTED]](/img/n.gif)
big hug to Gordon.
Gordon, get well soon brother ❤
Get better soon Gordon. ❤
You are the goat Gordon, nothing will stop a real legend in this industry
It seriously takes a special kind of person to go through what he's going through, but still never fail to come through with his passion for computer and hardware and sharing it with all of us. So inspirational. Keep it going Gordon, wishing you the best!
Fuk cancer
5 years remission from leukemia here.
Everyday is a blessing
Have a great day
Sending my Prayers to you Gordon all the way from Scotland, Hope you get better soon Bro.
get well soon gordon! ❤
Been here since the Maximum PC days. Gordon is the GOAT
Have never spoken here but have always followed this great guy. Great work as always, my respect to the legend, best wishes for you buddy. From Dominican Republic.
Gordon, I really hope you get well soon. Keep up the good work.
Gordon, I remember catching your airjet mini coverage, and now this. I wish that we could stop the world for a few moments, and I could talk with you in person, give you a hug, and say thank you for the time, and content, but beyond that, to show appreciation for you still being here, and striving to still go to work, to speak with us consumers, but right now, I just wish we could take out a literal moment to thank you, for the career, time, and just being on this earth. I try not to get to emotional, but seeing you visually today, just tears at my heart.
My grandma had lung cancer, lymp nodes removed, and shes now skinny, struggles with food/sleep, and It hurts me more then anything else in my personal life.
I, and everyone whose watched you report on tech news, is hoping to see you get better, add your weight back up, and to win this battle.
If a day comes where you don't, we hope PCWorld flys your name as high in the internet sky as possible, thank you.
My sincerest condolences, friend.
Channel looks dead
Sending you best wishes, Gordon. Get well soon!
I never thought that x86 would outperform ARM in battery efficiency. Crazy times indeed.
Very happy to see Gordon up & at 'em, doing what he loves so much. 😊😊
God bless you Gordon. Been waiting for your thoughts on this chip.
keep up the good work man , we need you ... your health is most important for us ... be well be good , god bless you ...
Keep fighting Gordon, we all are rooting for you.
Gordon our love is with you. Best wishes!!!!
eHugs to you Gordon. Get well soon man! 🤗
Very interesting move from Intel, surely in the right direction. they surely feeling the heat from AMD and Snapdragon
You are the best! These deep dives are insane! Hope you can do DaVinci resolve in the future since a lot of people are moving to it. Get well soon 🙏
Nice Gordon!!! Thanks for all of your hard work!!!
We all love you Gordon. God bless you.
Been seeing your articles on/off since the late 90's; more recently here. Good luck in your fight; get better soon, Gordon. ✌
Love you Gordon! Get well brother!
Good job Gordon, the best review I have seen so far today, overall Strix seems to be the chip to beat, it's just good at everything. It will be interesting to see battery life tests of the Zenbook S14 with the 288V and the S16 with the HX 370 with the rest of the tested laptops in an offscreen test with an external monitor.
as always, great video, Gordon. You're a real legend
Get well soon Gordon
Gordon doing what you love, respect and please get well soon for all of us.
First time on this channel. I love the fact that majority of comments are not about Intel CPU, but best wishes to the host. 🙂
Get well soon, Gordon. Praying for you.
Thank you!
May God continue to bless you, man. ❤🙏
Lunar Lake seems perfect for ultra thin and light. There is a reason the MacBook Air is very popular. Majority of people will be very happy with Lunar Lake.
Yup- i wanna say like .00025% of laptop users will use blender or adobe premier lol they will surf web do office apps watch content and play a few games. this wins at all of this with better battery life should be the best system for 95% of the people
@@moneypressoverdrive2020Casual Gamers are happy with mobile gaming on their smartphones. Hobbyist gamers areg happy with the gaming consoles (PlayStation, Xbox, Nitendo). Enthusiasts will use a gaming laptop or desktop computer.
Lunar Lake is not for the niche users.
How is it perfect? It cost more than strix point and looses by 60% multithread? Why would you pay more to get less
Maybe you should check strix point price, it is very expensive, even more than lunar lake
@@mmadevgame people have different priorities. Most people the priority is not the advantage Strix Point offers but the advantage Lunar Lake offers. If you need more multithread performance get Strix Point.
Get well soon Gordon! many friends says hi from turkey!
Godspeed, Gordon, puling for you to heal up right quick!
Bro these names are killing me now, f word. love you Gordon, best wishes
I just want you to know Gordon: Thank you for the decades of laughs and dedication to your profession and this community. It means a lot that your hanging with us even in the face of the possible end.
I don't believe in a PC Master Race, but dang if you don't make a argument for it just by being the Bad*ss you are. I'm not sure if I could keep my head or heart in place of I knew I might not be here in the future.
I rooting for you, but even if the sunsets - just know that no one here will forget you or your life's work. I know you've got a loving family, but you also have created a few generations of readers and fans who you helped find their passion. ♥️
>I don't believe in a PC Master Race
When the PS5 PRO launches for $700 with no disc drive, PC will have finally won the war. Xbox doesn't even exist anymore. Nintendo is a shell of its former self. PC wins by default.
Gordon be strong!. You are the best tech journalist. Get well please!.
Hugely helpful and super appreciated. A lot of effort must have gone into this. Thank you
Hi Gordon, I am new to the channel and also a new fan. Best of luck, wishing you nothing but the best.
Big Hug to Gordon!- Get well soon 🙏
Good luck Gordon. Wishing you the best🇸🇪 🖖
Best wishes, get well soon Gordon! Thanks for your diligent work over the years, looking forward to more years of that from you!
We love you Gordon ❤
hi Gordon. have a great day buddy.
good to see you Gordon - stay strong!
**where we can find the recalc excel spreadsheet?
Love you Gordon! You are our tech hero and we hope you are doing great.
Wishing you a speedy recovery!❤
Thanks for the in depth review Gordon. These are very interesting. I'm not quite sure what I would pick if I needed efficiency, and didn't care about gaming or production stuff. But I think Lunar Lake is doing exactly what Intel wanted.
Hang in there, Gordon! Get well soon, brother.
Awesome video. Thanks for testing it for us.
Gordon you're a legend, don't forget that buddy.
Everyone on the Internet already knows that Intel is screwed but I'm here for Gordon - stay strong and get well!
I'm here to celebrate the downfall of Intel and wish Gordon well.
Get well soon and thanks for this review !
Wish you a speedy recovery and cancer free. Love watching you. Keep fighting.
Glad to see you Gordon. Get well soon.
Love you Gordon and huge hug to you! You’re an inspiration and beyond awesome.
Not sure what the actual running clock speeds are and how much difference there is in the RAM config, but assuming they are reaching the max turbo speeds (4.8GHz for both) and RAM config doesn't make too much difference...
155H, 258V, IPC change (single thread)
Cinebench: 104, 122, 17%
Geekbench: 2397, 2769, 16%
Puget Photoshop (not single thread but also not greatly helped by having massive number of threads): 6215, 6776, 9%
Overall, noticeable but not impressive for having given up SMT and integrating the RAM, both of which should be giving minor performance increases.
~30% increase in battery efficiency over Meteor Lake, and even beating out SXE is pretty amazing though!
On another note, Gordon, I've been reading/watching your work since I got into this hobby 2 decades ago. I hope to continue seeing your work for the years to come as well. Words over the internet don't helpmuch fighting health problems, but as others have expressed, I wish your well ❤
Great review and content as always Gordon👍🏽👍🏽
take care of yourself man! always enjoy you content!
I am sending best wishes for you Gordon!
Nice to see Gordon!!!!!!!!!!
Praying for you!
Gordon, great job. Thank you for your work.
Oh... I wish you a speedy recovery!
Gordon for the win ❤
Great review, glad to see Intel basically achieved what it intended with Lunar Lake, which was maximized power efficiency. I look forward to seeing what Arrow Lake will bring
You can do it Gordon❤Never give up❤ From Turkey!
Great video, superb Gordon!
I've been excited for Lunar Lake, I hope it's the first step in Intel getting its act together again. Thank you for the in depth testing!
Great testing , take care Gordon.
Wishing you the best brother!
Intel? AMD? Qualcomm? I want a Gordon APU! So grateful for you.
Gordon, get well soon! Much ❤
Lunar Lake really shines when it comes to battery saving reaching same or better results as X-Elite. It looses a bit with the GPU gaming performance where AMD traditionally leads when it comes to SoCs. Overall it's a great piece of silicon for thin, ultra portable laptops targeting long battery life. It really depends what is your computing preference.
Thx a lot Gordon, great to see u back, all best and get well!🙏
Thanks Gordon we love you
Love you Gordon, thx for beeing you.
good to see the goat.
Get well Gordon.
This is the first test I see with the three platforms on the exact same chassy and internal configuration. What a treat! Good job Intel! I wonder if Arrow Lake will maintain mostly the same level of efficiency, we need multicore performance and efficiency, too.
It will clearly not be as efficient, but should be significantly more efficient than Raptor Lake. For starters, as compared to Lunar Lake, it will have more cores and it won't have the RAM directly on the chip (which helps with power usage). 2nd, it's designed and configured to run at higher frequencies and that means higher power draw and the power draw increase is not linear.
@@Winnetou17 Do those versions get iGPUs too like Lunar Lake does?
@@PixelatedWolf2077 The rumors say that Arrow Lake will have an Alchemist-based iGPU. So the previous generation, what Meteor Lake uses. And some/most if maybe even all the SKUs might only have a minimal number of iGPU cores (like 1-2 instead of 7-8 that LL has). Because they're expencting them to be shipped with dedicated GPUs.
@@Winnetou17 Gotcha, good to know. Thanks for the info
That blender test is ridiculous!
I didn’t realize AMD had such a lead there.
After my 13900k died I replaced it with a 14900k but then immediately built a 9950x system because I didn't trust the Intel 13/14th gen reliability (I use my pc for work).
The 9950x is the fastest non High End chip you can buy right now. It's on par with a 7800X3D in games and just shreds multi-core stuff.
24 threads helps
@@jabronilifestyle LoL, R9 9950X *IS* high-end!. If you're thinking about Threadripper and Epyc, those are enthusiast and business level. Basically different category. Low/medium/high end refers to consumer level.
@@Winnetou17 9950x isn't a HEDT.
@@jabronilifestyle I stand corrected, you are right. I hate that we still use this terminology. Sigh.
GOAT Gordon ❤
Good review Gordon
Shit, I didn't know. This hits home.. wish you all the best.
Great video. Very thorough.
very instructing video thank you !
See thumbnail, click because concerned for Gordon's health. Get well soon
Hello Gordon!
I wish you all the best!
I hope that your health improves!
Get Well Gordon Major Hug
Tremendous work! I'm in a market for a new laptop and this information is going to be of a great help. Thank you!
Great video, great guy !!!
Get well u legend , get well wishes from all over world
Nice thorough discussion
Is it possible to do that test in cinebench where you select the number threads?
Because the truth is most apps aren’t gonna spin up 12 cores. It’s nice to see how they scale in the middle.
this whole "ARM onslaught" is 99% hype and marketing. these processors are a total joke for just about any serious real-world task, from games to CAD, etc, and x86 arch doesn't actually have a real alternative.
Yup. Though to be fair to them (annoying marketing aside) it's the first generation. It should get better with time, and pretty fast, I think.
Lastly, some of their problems is Microsoft, which can't use its own AI to make Prism just as good as Rosetta 2. Or be good in general. Or maybe the AI isn't as magically powerful as they say it is ... that cannot be, right ? Anyway, some compatibility problems are from Prism being incompetent. And it's only the 3rd attempt from Microsoft, also after being shown by Apple how to do it. I think you can tell I'm not a big Microsoft fan, so I'll stop here.
@@Winnetou17 With Apple Silicon the software vendors either have to migrate to ARM, or it's game over for them because Apple will never return to x86, ever again. With Windows both Microsoft and the software vendors have to keep supporting x86 and develop on ARM, and that costs money and time, for a platform with a relatively uncertain future. (If MS goes all out on ARM, why not go all the way to RISC-V?)
Imagine Microsoft making Windows 12 an ARM exclusive, and will no longer support x86 ever again in future Windows editions. Now imagine all those developers start to panic and rush development, in order to make their software run on ARM.
@@Avantime I'd like to think that if Microsoft releases Windows 12 as an ARM exclusive, then all software developers migrate to Linux.
I almost like mini computer reviews for laptop parts, better than laptop reviews.
Because they generally tend to be more flexible with their cooling, and bio settings. HP and Dell are going to thermally contain you to whatever their chassis can handle but many computers tend to have a lot more headroom.
Glad to see ya Gordon
I feel like the more relevant test for Macs will be when they drop the M4 MacBooks.
And it might not hurt to throw in a base model MacBook Pro, because these are flagship CPU’s for the X 86, but the M3 is an entry level CPU.
In the end, x86 is driven by software compatibility more than anything else. Even if a MacBook Pro out performs it, you can’t run a lot the same software.
Nothing but thanks, love and respect. ❤
The process node is responsible for 60% of the efficiency
The other 40% is Pat Gelsinger's bible verses and pushups
I think the ram being onboard the chip accounts for a great deal of efficiency as well.
@@JayDee-b5u It clearly does. In a live YT, Ian Cutress said that having the memory on the chip, you can run the memory controller with 100 mV less.
And it's one of the reasons why Apple's M chips are so efficient. Which I did shout to many that it's not just ARM that's making them efficient, there's multiple parts.
So glad to see Lunar Lake launched and these "bUt ArM iS sO mUcH mOrE eFfiCieNt huRR diE x86 DuRr" be finally silenced. Though to be fair, I did expect a bit more. M3 still dominates in single thread and M4 is just around the corner. So Apple, on their part/area/segment will still dominate. But it's nice to see that at least on the PC side things have gotten much better, the whole day of work should finally be a given for selected chips/laptops.
I also can't wait to see how Linux runs on these. Linux is much less bloated the Windows, so we could see even better battery life with it.