The 7 Show: EP 1 - Extending the Alesis Strike Pro SE triggers
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2021
- The first "7 Show" video: In this video I talk about splitting and extending the triggers on the Alesis Strike Pro SE drum kit. Add more pads and triggers by splitting trigger inputs as well as doubling up triggers to a single input.
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Hey just wanted to touch base and again say thanks. I wrote for some help a few months back, got the set and a new puppy so I put them away the night before she arrived. But now I finally can put them up, so it's a dream come true. Based on your advice, I have mirrored the HH, mirrored the Ride (left handed human, right handed drummer that rides with both L/R hands) mirrored a crash, and pilfered the rim from the floor tom to power the 9" splash I bought. That's adding four elements to the set at the total cost of $50 for the splash. I already had a Roland TD-9, so I took your lead and used the HH and the other two cymbals/stands that were all rack mounted, as well as the brackets for the Roland rack it worked perfectly.
There is pretty much nothing else I'd want, and without stumbling on your vid I'd never have even realized it could be done. So wish me luck oh great one, I'm off on a new musical adventure that you have greatly enhanced. Don't let it go to your head. Cheers and have fun storming the castle.
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Robert. Yeah, I remember talking about this with you. That's awesome. I'm glad it all worked out for you.
*That's right it fillets. It chops, it dices, it slices, It never stops. Lasts a lifetime, it mows your lawn!
Wow this tutorial definitely helps and answered a lot of questions. Been trying to find a video like this for a long time. I’m looking into getting the alesis strike pro se so I can play drums later at night on my livestreams. Thank you so much for all the specific details on where to wire everything 🙏. And keep on shredding that kit! Looks like fun👍👍
Good to hear. Thanks. I've been very happy with my Strike Pro SE. The hi-hat took a little tinkering to get it dialed in, but after that, I have no issues. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
That was actually super helpful and definitely helps my confidence to get the Strike Pro SE. Thank you!
I'm really pleased with mine.
The module is actually pretty easy to navigate as well. With a little poking around, I was able to figure it out without much of a problem. The only thing I could complain about is moving to the field you want to change. It could have been more intuitive - but it isn't bad once you figure it out. If the screen were a touch screen, it would be amazing.
I bought one, and it doesn't work with my Axis pedals. The bass drum only triggers half the time. Doesnt work very well with my other double pedals either.
@@Blindashitmetalasfuck Weird. I've not had any issues with the bass drum. I've got a Pearl double and I was using another average kick petal on it and didn't notice any issues at all. Only triggering half the time sounds like a fault to me. That's a pretty extreme failure rate. Can you consistently trigger the channel shorting the cable? That will at least tell you if it's in the module or the cable itself.
@@SevensPinballorama I'll do a little more troubleshooting, and get back to you. Everybody who's heard the sound that my bass drum makes thinks it sounds like shit. Me included. This terrible bmm bmm noise. Acousticly speaking.
@@Blindashitmetalasfuck Do you like the rest of the kit and the module? If so, perhaps just swapping out that trigger? I'm sure you'd have no problem selling the bass trigger. Lots of people seem to like them.
Thanks! I've been trying to figure out how to use this module with my double bass, 6 tom kit...
Great. You're welcome. Enjoy your kit.
Hey Seven's..didn't know you were a Drummer. I have been playing for almost 32 years (since late 1989). Funny thing is I watch alot of your Pinball videos since I bought my first pin a couple of years ago. I ended up scoring a KISS 1979 Bally Pinball machine off my ex brother in law for a great price 4 days ago. I love your "How to set up Pinball Machines" video..that was a life saver
I'm only kind of a drummer. I've always played, did drums for a band when I was younger, but it was always on the side of things. I had a basic electronic set which I used to figure out what I wanted to put in my songs, but it didn't really work well enough to track the drums. This new kit should be much better (and it's honestly easier to play because it feels more like proper drums).
I assume you saw the video with my evil plans for my old KISS playfield retheme, yeah?
Helpful video man! Thanks! Clever thinking with splitting the high hat for the open handed playing. So I guess this is the best way to add a trigger to the SE, huh? I use those rim triggers for percussion sounds all of the time, so I've been reluctant to add anything at the cost of losing something else. I just feel like there is another way, even if it's more expensive. Any advice?
I bought the Strike Pro SE in Oct of 2020 and have been seriously been considering adding another trigger for a floor tom to the left of the high hat. Because I have needs lol.
To anyone out there on the fence about buying one of these: DO IT! I can't say enough good things about it. It's not perfect, but it's quite a BAD ASS drum set! Possibly the smartest investment in my personal hippieness and mental health I've ever made. This drum set is all I think about all day while I'm at work.
If you really wanted the floor tom, you'd have to sacrifice one of the rim triggers for it. It was pretty easy choice for me because the only rim trigger I use is the snare. I've always found the rim on toms hard to hit - so those are the first things I split.
If you wanted more zones and pads, I think your only option is a second module. I've seen lots of setups that have a multi zone percussion pad (something like the Strike Multipad or Roland Octapad). Maybe get something like that, use the various percussion sounds there, THEN split the tom rims for more elements in the kit. The Multipad also allows for 3 external triggers, so that gives 12 zones in total. Looking at the specs, two of the trigger inputs are TRS - so possibly you can split those to single zones. 9 in the module, and 5 on external pads.
thanks again for your response to my question a few monthes ago ..it was very helpful ,,,i was just listening to this video from february and i was thinkin , hey ,
if you've got youre old module , etc from your roland kit , you 've solve your own problems
,,you need a skinny double ende wire ...(same width as a headphone jack )
plug one end into the headphone jack on your roland , and plug the other end into the aux in . on the strike module
...bingo, you now have to all the triggers And the ride / hi hat triggera !! :) all the sounds of the roland module will eminate from the strike module ...its called piggy backing its simple and seems to work for me :)
i have a td-6 which gives me a 2 zone snare, 1) 1 zone tom and 2) 2 zone toms a 2 zone cradh, and a 2 zone ride also the hi hats and hi hat control pedal .. so now i have all the alesis triggers AND the roland triggers to get creative with :)
if you still have your old roland hats and the pedal you can use that for yoor second hats AND have an independent pedal ..freeing up your other crash ..and you ll have all those triggers and sounds from the roland you might be even missing now
..hope it helps ...
talk to ya later
dave
My old Roland was the TD-5. The biggest issue I had with that module was playing the kit and recording the MIDI signals to the DAW. It's not very accurate. I'm not sure what the problem was, but latency was an issue. For live, it would be fine though.
I still have the Roland hi-hat pedal - which works really well on the SE Pro. The only down side to it is when you want to just let the hats stay together and not use the pedal. The SE uses a regular hat stand - so the clutch is on top of the cymbal. With the Roland pedal, the clutch is on the floor. Not so easy to get at.
Good idea though about feeding one through the other.
@@SevensPinballorama oh ... srry about the module ..with the roland im using the roland module if i remember correctly the version of hats i have has a setting where you can set the open ness / closedness ...and i thinkive got mine set to where if you want a loud open sound you'd really need ta whackl it! lol
so i can acheave a decent hihat hat sound while playing double bass.....
then give it a lil english if im trying to do a NIN style , closer.. disco beat
it may be where im hitting it also ..im not looking for precision hihat work on my right side ...on my acoustic set this spot would be filled by an x- hat ..
but yeah ,
if you find an old module ..even a cheaper alesis ...it will make expansion a bit easier :)
come next year at tax time . i might just get another strike module unless theres a newer alesis module in '23
Just to let you know, yeah I did find this interesting, cheers..
Great video thanks! Question, I am trying to split one of my toms with another cymbal I've added from my Roland kit. I can not seem to get it to work and I've had no problem doing this with my Roland kit. So here are the questions, do I plug the splitter into the back of the module and then run one cable to the tom and one cable to the additional cymbal? Or can you do it at the cymbal (meaning running the original cable that says tom 1 to the tom but before plugging it into the tom you plug it into the splitter and the splitter plugs into the tom with the other female opening on the splitter to the cymbal?? After that, I can not seem to assign a new sound to the cymbal (using the tom head for the tom, and the tom rim for the cymbal). Can you tell me the process with the module?? So I can dial up the rim say on Tom 1 but what do you do next?? Do you then go to the instrument button on the module and scroll to the cymbals and select the cymbal to assign to that new cymbal and press save?? I can not seem to get it assigned. Really would appreciate any help you can offer its driving me crazy!! Thanks!
Splitting it is your first example: Put the splitter into the module, then run a cable to the tom and a cable to the cymbal. If your splitter and all triggers are working, at this point when you hit the tom head, you should hear the tom, and when you hit the cymbal, you should hear whatever was assigned to the tom rim.
For the rest of it, I was going to try and type it all out, but I think it would be easier if I just make you a video. It's easy, but there are a couple of places that can hang you up. A video might be easier to follow (and helpful for others). I can make this over the weekend.
@@SevensPinballorama Huge thanks! I actually talked to the guys at Sweetwater yesterday and we figured it out! I was using splitters but not the right kind! I've ordered the right one's and should be good to go!! Again, appreciate you taking the time to respond!!
Hey. No worries. Glad you got it sorted. I think I'll make the video anyway as there really aren't a ton of them out there on how to do it.
why do you have to split anything? there are 7 open channels ready for use with regards to adding a cymball from your Rolland. how do you make the midi recognize an additional cymball using the open ports avaiulable?
Thanks a lot for sharing. I was actually looking for doing the same... If I understood correctly, you have a different type of splitters depending on the application (hi-hat or all others). Am I correct? Could you share Amazon links for the splitters? (to make sure we get the correct ones in case they are indeed different types). Thank you!
Yes, two different types.
One is a "stereo" phono plug that breaks out the left and right channels into their own female jacks. This is what you use to split drum pads (like how I turned the tom rim into a cymbal pad). This is the traditional way people do this. You use an adapter like this:
www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B000068O54/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The other way, which I haven't seen people do before, is using two pads for the same trigger input - like what I did for the hi-hat. In this case, you use a splitter which is a stereo phone plug to two stereo female jacks. These are commonly used to allow two people to plug into the same headphone jack (or something like that). I used this adapter:
www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01MS0KRA4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@@SevensPinballorama thank you soooo much!!!
Thanks for this, I just picked one of these bad boys up! Any tips for tweaking settings on this?
Congrats.
Tips? Not really. I spent a little time getting my hi hats working how I like. It just took a few sessions of fiddling with my stand to get it dialed in. I can't really say for sure what I did though. If you setup and find the hi hat really sucks, make sure you didn't install trigger upside down like I did. LOL.
Funny thing, I also didn't realize right away there was a sensitivity adjustment on the snare. So don't over look that. It's sort of a set and forget thing, but mine was dialed a little on the "hit harder" side of things for the first week or so.
I also got a kick drum patch to protect where the beater hits. Might as well save that head as long as I can. It doesn't seem to interfere with the drum sensitivity.
The way I expanded my Td10exp is by running an Alesis Nitro module into the mix in on the Roland. I now have 5 toms and 5 crash cymbals as well as various extra pads for cowbells and other effects. And I still have about 8 unused inputs. If I split those.....
:: in his best Alex Lifeson voice ::
Subdivisions
Lol
do you have a model number for that nitro module?
Hello Seven's Pinballorama, i just received my own Alesis Strike Pro SE and i also ordered an additionnal cymbal pad for my kit. I was a bit disapointed to see that there was no additional plug to add a pad on the module, but i've just landed on your video and it's super helpfull, so thank you ! Could you give the reference of the phono plug that you are using to split your toms if you still have it in mind ? Thank you again !
Look up the Hosa cable model YPP117 and that will show you the configuration.
How do you split and assign left and right on module to stay saved ?
So I just bought a strike pro kit that didn't come with any e cymbals, it does have low volume Aborea cymbals that I'm considering putting triggers onto and converting all the real cymbals to e cymbals. Like you I had a old roland kit sitting around and I've been using the pads as e cymbals. Only problem I ran into was the ride cymbal dual input. I was going to use one roland pad as the bow and another for the bell, I cannot get the bell to work, I'm thinking that the ride cymbal has some sort on internal interlock where the 2 inputs operate together and cannot operate independently, although I still have ride cymbal bow use. I've been tinkering with the module to see if I can figure it out but thus far this e drum novice has not cracked the code. Any input or info you may know would be greatly appreciated!
I did another video (The 7 Show - Ep 09) where I split the ride. Maybe that can give you some answers. ua-cam.com/video/sLzej92GaE8/v-deo.html
I ordered my Alesis Strike Pro from Musicians Friend in mid Oct, they finally arrived on Jan 11th if you can believe it. Props go out to MS though, they gave me a Simmons 2112 Drum amp at no charge for bumping me back so far and so many times so it's hard to be upset.
Wow. That's a pretty good deal. Never turn away free gear. How do you like the drums so far?
@@SevensPinballorama Hi, yeah I got the set for $2200, $2387 including taxes, so that's not too bad. I've unboxed the set but I've been working late yesterday and tonight, so I'll probably set them up tomorrow/Sat and be playing them by the weekend. I'm very excited, I've had a Roland TD9 for over a decade, and they're still going, but it's fun to upgrade, and sparkle red too.....Hmmmmmmmm SPARKLE!! I'll let you know. Cheers.
I plan on making a hybrid set and only electronic drums and acoustic cymbals. My set has 5 toms and there are 4 tom inputs. Can I use another port like a cymbal port to add the 5th tom?
I don't see why not as long as the brain of the drum controller allows you to assign sounds to each port. The Strike Pro does and my old 2000 era Roland TD allowed it.
Hello Steven
I enjoyed your video explaining splitting Alesis input jacks. I recently purchased the Alesis Strike MultiPad .. the pad has 2 inputs for external triggers channel 1 is a single input .. channel 2 handles 2/3 and the 3rd input handles 4/5 .. I purchased a TRS stereo plug as you explained .. but when I hit either pad assigned I get the same sound ., what am I missing ? According to the instruction guide the input needs to be set to 2 Trigger as apposed to Head+Rim .. I did that and I still get the same sound for both pads. Any insight is greatly appreciated
I don't have the Multipad, so I couldn't say with any expertise on the matter. Is the splitter you have one that takes a "stereo" signal and splits it to Left and Right channels or a Y type connector - like something you'd use if you wanted to share headphones with someone? If it's the latter, that would be the problem.
There is something you can try with the trigger port to make sure the jack is actually working (and the module is configured). Plug in a normal TRS (stereo) cable into the jack. On the other end of the cable, take a short bit of metal (like a paperclip) and short the sleeve with the ring. Then short the sleeve with the tip. If everything is working correctly, this will trigger the two different assigned sounds on that trigger port.
If this works, then plug your splitter into the input jack. Plug a regular TS (mono) type patch or guitar cable into one of the split jacks. Short the sleeve and tip. Does it make a sound? Which sound? Now move the mono patch cable to the other split jack. Short the sleeve and tip again. Does that make a sound? Which sound?
If this is playing the same sound, but the first test you tried with the TRS cable played two different sounds, then you might have the wrong type of splitter.
That's the only thing I can think of to try.
@@SevensPinballorama Hello again ... just wanted you to know the Y cable was the solution. Thank you for the insight again.
@@jdelmedi Good to hear you got it sorted.
K i used a splitter to add a tom, how do i change the tone of the new tom, it sounds the same as the one i split
This is awesome stuff, thank you! When you show your splitter @ 5:38, are the female plugs stereo or mono?
They are mono. The splitter goes from male TRS (stereo) to Left/Right TS (mono) female.
@@SevensPinballorama Thank you so much!
k I read some of your info and its because I have the wrong splitter. I'm ordering the proper splitter, will my added tom have a different tone, can I change the tone if it doesn't. does your added black tom have a different tone ? thanks.
You can assign any sound to that trigger slot and change the tone, reverb, or anything else.
@@SevensPinballorama thank you sir. :)
Sir can u tell me the price of the drums and the extras which u bought….
Glad I’m not the only one who calls the module “the brain”
I have still been unable to split the rim of the pads. I also have 2 sets of the "special " splitter and it still isn't working. Meaning I am unable to take a tom "rim" sound and put it to a cymbal. I have this same set of drums also. So im having to split a cymbal instead. Feedback?
What is the special splitter?
So when do we get to see you play?
Maybe once the studio it fully up and working, and I'm adding drum parts to a song, I'll figure out a way to wiggle that into a video. I practice by playing along to songs without drum tracks. I know if I include a snip of this on a video, it will get a copyright strike - so I'm hesitant to do that.
Here you go - ua-cam.com/video/sLzej92GaE8/v-deo.html
hey. is it possible to " clone" my ride cymbal ?
I don't see why not. The Alesis ride is a 3 zone trigger (over the 2 zones on other triggers) and requires two cables. I think the bow and edge are triggered through one cable and the bell through the other - don't quote me on that, but I think that's the case. So if you wanted a complete mirror you'd need two 3 zone triggers and two splitters.
You could probably just split the bow and edge to another 2 zone trigger though if you didn't need the bell on the mirror.
I'll have to try this.
@@SevensPinballorama yeah , i went to open handed years ago ..but i never gave up my right side ride ..lol would love to utilize 2 on my alesis ..i also have a td6 , so that's what im using fora second h hat ..
i want a second ride but ..i'd prefer them being from the same source (alesis) also, td6 's only do two zone rides ...
now , if i split the trigger using the mono splitter would that duplicate the bow and edge? that's where i'm worried . or would it just send i channel down the line?
hope to hear from ya soon on this :) thanx
You'll want a stereo splitter in this case. Like something you'd use for two headphones into one headphone jack. So the connection would be the splitter plugged into one of the ride jacks and one cable going to ride one, the other to ride two.
Then if you had another 3 zone trigger, you'd want another headphone type splitter for the second ride jack.
This is assuming bow and edge are one cable and bell is the other.
I can test this tomorrow. I don't have a second 3 zone ride, but I can mimic it.
If I have all the splitters and things I need to wire this all up at once, I'll make a video on it for you. I think I do.
@@SevensPinballorama oh, that would be awesome ..thank you !!
Dave. I cloned the ride and it worked perfectly. There is a video of it here - ua-cam.com/video/sLzej92GaE8/v-deo.html
Getting even more triggered to get one. I'll get there one day 🙏
This is a really great set. I've been quite happy with it. I did a bunch of research before I pulled the trigger and this kit just ticked all the boxes for me. The main one being individual outputs for each sound. This ties in well on how I record music. But the pads are really nice and feel great. It's just fun to play and I never feel like I'm fighting it to do what I want (except sometimes the hi hat - but it gets more dialed in everyday).
Interesting. I wish I could play the drums, hard enough for me to walk and chew gum.
Expecting pinball but getting drums instead? I like it! But you should have played a bit.
I thought about it, but no one likes a drum solo. Maybe next time I'll take one of those royalty free youtube feel-good songs with the ukuleles and add Rob Zombie style drums to it.
@@SevensPinballorama Sounds good :D But I agree, I am a drummer myself, and I think drum solos are mostly a waste of time. But you could do a playalong to a pinball soundtrack or a Tic Tok Men song :D
If there is a solo enjoyed by many...it's a Drum solo. I get asked often to play them when playing live lol.
I added a bit of playing in the new video - ua-cam.com/video/sLzej92GaE8/v-deo.html