How FFX's Most Absurd Challenge Was Beaten
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This FFX challenge requires Tidus to defeat the tutorial Water Flan, defying Yevon's teachings of elemental affinities
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Am I crazy or did your channel picture icon change?
@@celestialkitsune It sure did! It used to be one of the custom emotes I had of a booka from earthbound. I've been meaning to change it for a while but haven't gotten around to it until recently
54 hours to skip a 10 second tutorial with additional downsides.
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it's not about skipping the tutorial. it's about finding out if the devs added an exception for this case
@@blango-san When I did it, I was sad they didn't. I can't believe they didn't believe people wouldn't try. Because the concept of speed runs, or grinding for absurd hours is not a new concept when FF X came out.
They should have done something funny like Lulu no longer joining the team until you make up with her, haha :)
@@spyofborgsometimes devs simply don't expect this level of insanity and that's understandable
@@blango-santo be fair, that was already clear with the hacked savestate.
@@gatnom clear to some extent, yes, but if you apply scientific approach, you must also do it without hacks or cheats, because you may never really know if devs added checks to in-game code that allow the game to determine if it was hacked or not. (or you reverse-engineer game code)
yes, it sounds overly nerdy, but who are we if not a bunch of super-nerds to be interested in this kind of stuff in the first place
Wow, I was legit researching this same thing. You'll have to make a video on how many Sinspawns need to be defeated, during the Sin Finn encounter on the boat, just so Kimahri can one-shot the plant in Kilika with Lancet.
I thought I saw you poking around the FFX speedrunning discord! Cool stuff man. I'm going to be following that challenge as it develops so expect more from me on that front!
Maybe there is a secret ending for doing both kimahri and skipping the 10 second cut scene with 53 hours of grinding.
This sounds absolutely alien to me, having zero knowledge on the series and subject, it made me laugh haha
This reminds me of the guy who grinded to level 99 in the first reactor in FF7. It took over 500 hours iirc.
Oh, that's a rabbit hole of it's own. Not the difficulty in doing it, but the story about the first confirmed success.
his name was dicktree
and don't you forget it
edit: fuck my stupid head, of course it was circlmastr. dicktree was a fraud, circlmastr is a legend
Look up the videos of dark souls, grinding to max level in the tutorial areas in each game. 500 hours is nothing compared to those. It's kinda silly 😂
Wild story honestly. Multiple people tried and just didn't have the mental strength to see it through.
@@blango-sanit's circlemaster dude not dicktree...dicktree is a fraud... once again his name is circlemaster remember that name
6:43 after tidu cuts in in half "i told you only magic can kill that thing" lmmfao
Tbf Keepa is pretty interesting in how he skyrockets in stats towards the end.
He becomes the Lionel Messi of Blitzball if I remember those old stat charts.
When the worst player becomes the best of the best 😂😂
Yep, took even longer to get there at launch, before we knew to score one goal and then sit behind the goalie to end each match quickly.
Nor were the best way to grind abilities really known yet.
@@osurpless what best ways? it's obvious lol, score one goal and pass the ball around to get exp, just don't fumble
also you could hire another goalie and take keepa for a stroll as defence player, passing ball to and from him to level him faster
Nah Nimrook outclasses him at max level.
Expert Sphere Grid stays winning
*cough cough* the damage variance is more around +- 6%, you mistakenly got the 16% by looking at the variance being 256 +- 16 / 256 behind the scenes lol
Bonus: It's not actually +- 16, it's [240, 272), which doesn't actually include the 272, making the variance extremes -6.25% and +5.86%
Thank you for the correction there!
What a fucking nerd!
*takes notes and copies* 😂
Those were words!
@@paladin400And numbers!
Oh shit it’s u
Great video. As I was watching it, I was thinking the whole time, "I wonder if he'll mention my video" 😂
FFX players are crazy
that i agree
Still one of my favorite Games of All Time.🎉
I just clicked for a "HA HA HA" joke, but instead I got educated on how a seemingly impossible task turned into a speedrun. Amazing content as always, Doc 😅👍🏼
wtf?
Whoa HayanNinja is an OG on the GFaqs board! Nice
I see FFX, I click
the only unhealthy amount of coffee is none doc
I used a gameshark to max my stats and give everyone their ultimate weapon (just for kicks and giggles) but I remember it causing issues in the tutorial. Probably because i had party members I shouldn't have had at that point.
Very well put together and fun vid, man. Thank you!!
this is like a diet version of the Dick Tree saga.
I did a pretty similar thing to one shot the armored enemy tutorial fight outside Luca. Wound up killing more sinspawn on the ship than I care to remember.
That is always what I wondered as a kid. Is it actually possible to kill them with Tidus at the beginning? Will the game crash?
20 years later I get this recommended... xD
here's what i got from this video, Numbers go brrrrrr and the bag was claimed! great vid as always my man!
The math: Insanely complicated.
The effort needed to answer the question: There are only 99 possible levels. Just try each one until one works.
You just summarised P=NP
That wasnt complicated math at all lmao. Just find the numbers then plug it in
Actually, there are far more than 99 levels in this game, as each level only corresponds to a single stat or ability increase.
@@Skyblade12 Good point, there are less numbers to try because we already know some numbers don't result in a meaningful stat increase.
I can't help but get a kick out of how such a ridiculous idea could end up being so interesting with things like the formula breakdown and the strategy 😆
These FFX videos are always so good and well presented.
seeing these kinds of damage calculations make me so thankful for Paper Mario
Later in the game when you fight the zu by yourself in the desert, auron and lulu are supposed to join you mid-battle to help defeat it.. but i beat the zu with only tidus once - auron and lulu just appear next to you as the battle ends to claim credit for tidus' hard work
I love things like this and finding out how much time and resources would be required. Makes me want to try it but I never could have that patience.
Patience is not necessarily required if you decide to use save wizard for the PS4 version on the other hand if you’re using PS2 then you could use code breaker to actually do for yourself the choice is yours to make however for me I chose because I’ve already beaten this game to use save wizard to edit my safe file so that I could go through the game and enjoy the story as opposed to spending time grinding and I would recommend that you choose very carefully if you decide to use that particular computer program to edit your save
I have discovered that in some of the Final Fantasy games if you are looking to max out your levels there is a way to do that very early in the game and Final Fantasy 12 is a perfect example either the remaster or the basic version all you have to do is go to a certain area and if you are in critical condition at the time and you put the game on slow and wait that every time you press the X button it’ll pause your gameplay and you can feed this particular enemy a phoenix down and you will be jumping up levels at supersonic speed however you can’t do that with Final Fantasy X but this is just one of the things you can do with Final Fantasy 12
Again the choice of how you plays up to you and what you decide to do with your saves is also up to you have fun
As someone who grew up playing KR MMOs, it's always funny hearing what is a big grind is to the West.
Fantastic video topic! Please more 🙏
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I'm a simple man, i see FF-X video, i click
This is brilliant 😂 excellent video dude
The beginning cutscene metal music piqued my interest in a new style of music, and changed my guitar playing forever. Ty.
I would say NSG Dark Anima requires a much bigger grind
It absolutely does. Granted grinding Piranhas is probably more mind numbing.
My old roommate had 300 hours in this game and I personally saw him defeat Sin with two physical attacks by Yuna
The "Kill everything in one attack" challenge seems to be impossible. The highest damaging attack in the game is Wakka's reels and it caps out at 1.2m damage. So anything that has more hp than that is out of the question.
There's yojimbo
Talk about painful
I believe these may be the first documented Water Flan kills, but way back in the day (probably years before the GameFAQs thread you mentioned), there was also someone who I remember claimed to have done both this fight and the Mi'ihen Raldo tutorial -- a player by the username of KADFC, pretty prominent in the challenge scene and known as a heavy grinder. The question would then be: did he do the leveling manually or with some cheating device? I don't know the answer to that, but if anyone was going to spend dozens of hours farming Piranhas, it would be him.
Of course, those threads have probably long disappeared from the GFAQs message boards. And to begin with, I'm not sure if those posts were on threads specifically pertaining to the Water Flan/Raldo tutorials or if they were discussed on one of the dozens of challenge threads (which was where KADFC was more active).
In any case, it's nice to see video of it for the first time, I had never actually seen it :) Good stuff compiling all the info and putting it together so well, was an interesting watch for sure!
Wow what else are they gonna find in FF10
Imagine if Lulu got upset after Tidus killed the flan without her help, and decided not to take part of the pilgrimage anymore 😂
I vocally said "oh no" in public when I caught on to what the run was gonna be about
I was with your calculations until after 16³. Then it just went over my head.
I’ve been watching this video and the person or the moderator who moderated this video basically said some thing that caught my attention.
Essentially you have two ways to play this game and one way is to grind out the hundred hours or so so that you can get yourself to a level high enough that you could knock the flying out quickly in one hit Kels the only issue I would have with it is that you’re gonna have to teleport yourself back to the beginning of the levels and you’re gonna need AAA P weapon to get yourself 99 levels before you leave the calm lands. The reason I say that is because you need to fill up every sphere on your sphere grid with different spheres for his points strength and all the other stats that go on there and that way you can have maximum stats when you get to the last city on this game that way when you fight your final battle you’re not a weakling.
The second way to play this game is to use a save editor program to either give yourself all items and all key items or maximum stats for all your players or the characters that you have control of and for some people that’s gonna be the way they want to play and for other people they are very happy grinding
For me I’m over 40 years old and I am at a point where I do not like to grind my way to victory unless I can do it on my terms and so I have set up multiple saves with multiple ways to play and I decided that it was imperative and important to do things a certain way so I decided that it was reasonable for me to utilize other means to get myself to certain levels.
Not every game is like Final Fantasy X or any of the other Final Fantasy games that are off-line only play and so I find this one to be a very interesting game and it’s storyline to be very interesting but as far as grinding goes I’m over 40 and I don’t have time to sit there for hours and grind so I’m at that point.
How are you choose to play is entirely up to you and I admire those people who feel like they have the time to sit around for 100 hours and grind games like this to a level where you can one shot kill everything unfortunately it takes hours to do in most cases and that’s if you’re honest about it
I'm pretty sure a 1 hit KO challenge is impossible as some enemies like Zu can withstand a 99999 damage attack, only to fall to the ground & require another hit. I'm not even sure a multi-hitting overdrive like Blitz Ace or Attack Reels gets around that.
Would a Deathstrike or Stonestrike weapon account for those outliers?
It's not possible anyway because even a max damage attack reel can only do 1,199,988 damage and there are quite a number of enemies with more than 1,200,000 hp
@@nekogodzantetsuken
That's good and all only Yuna can't be used against Shinryu and I'm sure IT has more then 1.2 million HP.
Alymere, I salute You.
swell times lead to swell man. we are unworthy
wonder if the 1-hit revolves around beelining to yojimbo asap and in the interim figuring out how to get yuna summon's overdrives to oneshot everything when possible.
Wow! These early-game grind challenges are always impressive.
Woah no way, I was just watching some of your videos wishing there was something new lmao.
Now for the next challenge, kill it with an overkill. I wonder how many hours would it take.
Lulu: "What the actual shit, Tidus?"
Now try killing Shinryu in no sphere grid challenge
To actually hit it with an overkill you would need to grind 99 sphere levels and my friend did it but the problem is that it took him 250 hours to grind those levels which basically means that he used to control with auto fire on PS2 which you cannot do on the PS4 so you have three choices one you can sit there and physically work for 250 hours to do the PS4 version or you can see if you can get a modified control for PS4 and remap the button so you can auto fire the battles and then you let it sit for a couple of days while the system actually works it out for you because you’re basically swimming in circles for that many hours and if you have a control that has auto fire on it on the PS4 then you could probably do that.
Remember though that if you actually do something like this and you don’t wish to modify your save then the only way to do it is by grinding 99 sphere levels which means your system is gonna be on for days and you can always do that on the PS 52 which means that your system would be on for multiple days on the same game so you better have two systems if you plan on playing something else
The other way to handle the situation is to modify your save and you can do that with the PS4 version of this game and save wizard in the end the choice is yours on how to do this but it is possible to do it the only thing I would recommend is that if you do that you’re gonna have a lot of empty spheres and saw my recommendation would be that as soon as you get a teleport sphere for Titus you take him back to the beginning and run through it again but that means that you’re gonna have to get all the way to the com lands and then teleport yourself back to the beginning of the sphere grade and go through it again which means you’re gonna have to grind which means you’re gonna need triple overdrive and AAA P which means you’re gonna have to go through a lot of hell but if you have the patience and you feel like you want to grind and then you could do that the choice is yours to make
However it is possible to do it both ways and I’ve done it both ways and so is my friend however I don’t upload videos to UA-cam or anywhere else to prove that I did it so you only have my word as proof
Video Game: "No you can't do that."
Gamers: "You can't tell me what to do. YOU ARE NOT MY MOM!"
I made a video for the Raldo kill many years ago on PS4 version. You can view the spheregrid path and try it yourself.
I remember playing blitzball again and again to grind out strength spheres as a prize in order to kill the Shell in Auron's tutorial. I thought THAT was a lengthy task, but this makes that grind seem like chump change
I used a primalliquid video that showed how to get op before besaid.
I'm just gonna say primal liquid has done this already and had to one shot this flan
Sounds like a normal day in ffxi
recognized that Metroid beat the second the video started. Goodness that brings back memories
that alone.. sounds like a challange.. so.. no Critical hits.. i wonder what the end game credits look like - it sounds like people found a secret level
If the one person truly is trying to take out every enemy in a single attack, then it'd be impossible to beat any enemy in 1 attack (that isn't Zanmato obviously) with more than 1,599,984 HP. The attack with the most hits is Anima's Oblivion and assuming every hit deals 99,999 damage, that's the best you get. That means that anything with 1,599,985 HP or more needs at least 2 damage-dealing attacks to take down.
FRESH SWELLY DROP!
I’m running through it now seeing about if you can beat it with zero healing outside of save spheres. Slow going but definitely possible so far
Hey, did you correct the data on wiki and/or contacted the faq authors about the bad values? Or are they still wrong?
They're still incorrect. I just now found out you can edit the Fandom wiki freely, and for the FAQ that's related to it, it's very old and I haven't dove into contacting the author. The last time they logged in to the site was about 7 1/2 years ago
I haven't watched all of this, so I don't know if you know, but fun fact. If you one shot the Raldo, you can't crit again. The game turns off crits so you don't crit kill it. (obviously sheer strength will kill it.) - so while killing the flan is whatever, killing the raldo can be shitty LUL
I stand corrected. didn't know the game turned off crits for the flan too. cool.
Man I wish I was that popular Online
8:20 not to be snarky but I wouldn't call it "genius" we all know there are different progression paths on each grid so it makes sense to check both for pathing.
Its always the result of having to go to a discord now and hope what you need is findable. Imagine if we could actually find what we're searching for the first time.
PMD MUSIC PMD MUSIC!
Would like to hear from the original devs why they came up with such absurd formulas
Really interesting! And I love anything final fantasy
Legend
Ah yes, the damage calculation course on Brilliant.
Well it's no NSGNSNCNONENNENBB
all I'm gonna say here is let me cook for a couple of months lol
@@DoctorSwellman lmao
0:57 So being forced to grind blitzball for that sigil, I've learned Keepa is actually interesting cuz he's the goalie right? But at max level, his Shooting power is 99.
So he's better than Wakka, even better than Tidus at max level. A character named Vilucha comes close at 91.
But no one's going to experience that unless they REALLY like playing blitzball cuz you can get everything you need long before level 99.
Hehehe "Tiddies"
the only real way to pronounce "Tidus"
Tee-dus or Thai-dus?
yes
When you switch the game into Japanese it reads, (anglicised), "Tiida," which is pronounced "Tee-da." Meaning the pronunciation in English should be "Tee-dus" Now stop making my ears bleed.
Toy-diss
It's pronounced "Star Player of the Zanarkand Abes"
Just a minor nitpick when you go through formula and end up with a range, it can be very confusing if you're just using a hyphen as it looks like a minus; maybe just write 'to' instead, or have two calculations for the upper and lower limits?
Or [range,notation)
@@renakunisaki I considered suggesting that, but it might be just as confusing for anyone that isn't familiar with it
this reminds me of a very old video from World of Warcraft:
the early version of the Paladin's "vengeance" skill had NO limit on how much energy it could hold, and it built up energy when he took damage.
so a clever player spent hours fighting small enemies, using daggers, and then:
ua-cam.com/video/aX2JEKVn-U4/v-deo.html
This is just an average osrs grind
psh... didn't think Expert Grid was just easy mode >.>
My probably unpopular opinion:
I get why people do this for research purposes but other than that, they don’t get much by doing this.
There’s no reward granted to you if you one shot this water flan.
But it’s a good thing someone still did, so i didn’t have to do it 👍
Some people have too much free time 😂
Titus has 15 base SHTRENGTH.
It's fun to see someone go at a scripted battle to see if it's beatable or not and ofc the resulting action the game takes for doing so. More often then not though, scripted fights can't be killed so sadly that's where the experiment ends.
the only funnier challenge is losing the orbonne fight in FFT.
A video created in a universe where cheats didnt exist 😨
critless any% when?
Insane and for what
still I don't like Expert Grid solutions. It feels like cheating. Because it is no the game I played in my childhood :P
Who is Tydus?
huh
You could grind with Rikku beforehand, but why tf would anyone waste that much time?
Finding new ways to play games is cool. Grinding for 53+ hours is not a new way to play the game though. It's just taking longer to do something simple.
This. This is why they tried to teach us math.
Fandom? Giving incorrect information?? UNHEARD OF!
i never know.. if i should be disgusted or amazed by what these people can do xD
Can you do a "stoner" version with less arithmetic..?
Please?
Daymmmm.. just realize rpg games are basically excel and formula and algebra etc covered using 3D animation.. booyahh.. time to study mathematics I guess..
Imagine spending so much time to prove your point while it was already easy enough to verifiy with cheats back in the PS2 era...
I thought the most absurd FFX challenge is to complete the entire sphere grid without using sphere levels
There's far far worse. That challenge is not even that bad.
NSGNSNCNONENNENBB 👀👀👀
New FF X video in my recommendations?? insta click