Just think that if a established company with years of making EVs, tons of money and teams of engineers are so late with their deadlines, Aptera looks like they're doing great. I don't see these Robotaxis being on the road even in 2027. The safety and regulatory hurdles are going to be huge for any self driving vehicle. Be lucky by 2030.
But possibly a cybercab looking vehicle with steering wheel and pedals could come out. The only delay with cybercab is the regulations for fully self driving vehicles. While Aptera, just keeps changing and changing their vehicle and delaying production. Currently people who have ordered an Aptera don’t know when they are getting it, as the dashboard has changed the delivery date once again. They keep having trouble with funding, and as an investor in Aptera I am starting to have my doubts it will be released at all.
To be fair, his exact words were referring to manufacturing, lol I’m sure they could be starting to manufacture them but yeah, I really doubt that regulatory stuff will clear by then
I agree with @glennturner1057 . It really seems like they are seeing Aptera as a potential threat, and trying to come up with something comparable (but will drop it in a second if Aptera fails, they already have what they want and won't want to move from a higher profit margin vehicle to a lower one)
"established company with years of making EVs, tons of money and teams of engineers" That right there is why Tesla can afford to miss deadlines...they have the resources necessary to survive when they do, Aptera does not plain and simple.
Timeline slippage is also due to Aptera changing much of the original intention. The change to Italy, the move away from in wheel motors, etc. Whenever something changes it ripples downstream throughout the entire process of design and production
Half right. In general, the very early move towards larger scale production (which includes Italy) delayed things a bit. But the main delay for over 2 years now has been their inability to close the current funding round. That is why US Capital was brought on... to close the round.
@@JacobBunce-o9l And therein lies the difference between Tesla and Aptera. Tesla is well beyond the weeds of financial insecurity. Aptera is mired in them. If I posted this once I've posted it 30 times - Aptera will not likely be able to gain any significant funding because of the bait-and-switch it did on the Accelerators. It's that simple. I used to be a banker, so I understand and appreciate risk versus reward. You better believe that any potential major investors understand that as well, and they will do their due diligence. In there due diligence they'll find out about the bait-and-switch to the Accelerators. Does anybody really think that an investor is going to invest major money when they gain that info? From where I stand, no major investor is going to invest in this company unless they're an angel investor willing to lose everything they invest. If an angel investor was going to step up and save this company, I believe it would have happened by now. US Capital has only been able to raise $200,000 in additional funding since the beginning of June, to my knowledge. I'm not knocking US Capital, but that's a pathetic result. In my mind, it proves this vehicle is never going into mass production. The founders will exhaust the remaining funds with the burn rate, declare bankruptcy, then take the intellectual property rights and monetize them in some way. The founders will do well if that works out. The rest of us who invested will get nothing. That technology was developed and perfected with our investment dollars, and we're not going to see a single penny from that risk that we took. That's how I see it. That's why I'm buying a different car before the end of this year 'cuz I won't qualify for the federal EV tax credit next year. As I posted yesterday, if Aptera - by some miracle - offers a car for me to buy in three, four, five or however many more years from now, I'll look at my then-current situation and decide whether I want to sell the car I buy now to get the Aptera, or if I'm just going to cancel my Aptera order. But I think that's a moot point, 'cuz I seriously doubt this car will ever see mass-production.
I totally agree. As a product designer myself, we had to get products to market ASAP. These 3 things affect the schedule, budget/funding, manpower, and project scope. Right now they are down on budget/funding and manpower.
Aptera did say the original plan was to boot strap up, but as time went by, they realized that there were very important updates they could make and inserted the PI prototypes to get them in. I am glad they did it. The boot strap process would have taken a long time, like 3 -4 years to get the production line up and it would have been funded by profit from early sales, so the initial Apteras would cost more than they do now to generate the cash flow. Equipment needed for full produciton would have been purchased piecemeal over time. So production would slowly speed up. This would be equivalent to a production line with a very small learning curve.
Bootstrapping is the practice of self-financing a business. Using only existing resources (translation: no venture capital or major loans), bootstrapped companies build their businesses from scratch.
I think there is a chance that they will sell "normal" versions of the Cybercab (with steering, pedals, maybe changed to a small four-seater or so, where you can flip the seats forward to get into the back (like small European compacts/hatchbacks), and then sell that for 30k-ish. They can't announce that now to avoid osborning their Model 3 sales, but that seems as if it could be possible. But of course pure speculation ;). Nevertheless, if I had to choose between the driveable Cybercab and the Aptera, I'd pick the Aptera due to the full commitment to efficiency and solar charging. 👍
The cheap car shouldn’t affect M3/Y sales as it caters to a different demographic. But the M3 and Y are getting stale as they haven’t changed much in appearance over the years so people might choose the cheap car just because it’ll have a new look. This is why I think Musk isn’t thinking straight for critical short and mid term actions that need to be taken.
Officers of a company are technically bound by verbal statements. It amazes me that a class action suit hasn’t been filed against Musk because of the numerous past statements that haven’t reached fruition.
I just want to drive my Aptera launch edition. Now pushed back to 2026! Investment money is the issue here, along with sustaining the company through production hell. FYI, I have had FSD on my Tesla since 2018. FSD Version 12 is finally when it got amazing. If you want to experience it go test drive a Tesla.
The CyberCab projection reminds me of the adage about construction projects: " You can have it cheap, or good, or done quickly, but can, at best, have only 2 of the choices. If you want it cheap and quickly it won't be good. If you want it quickly and want it good, it won't be cheap, or if you want it good, and cheap, it won't be done quickly". So, I'll wait, grudgingly, for my Aptera to be good and acceptably priced.
I really wish Aptera would simply push the cost per mile to drive. In my opinion that’s what is going to be the biggest selling point as people are becoming more and more strapped for cash, but need a reliable vehicle for commuting. Regardless of who wins the presidency we are not going to see a big economic turnaround in the foreseeable future. Aptera is strategically positioned to be an ultimate survivor in a world of expensive to buy, drive and operate EVs. Aptera needs big investors that actually understand what Aptera offers that no other EV does (including the currently hyped Robo Taxi). What other EV is likely still going to be on the road 20 years from now?
What do you mean by, "turn around the economy"? I keep hearing people talk about a bad economy. I don't get it. This is a fantastic economy. I'm 60-years-old and this is one of the best times in the economy in my lifetime. We have low inflation, low unemployment, high capital investment in new factories and infrastructure, and our deficit rate is declining because we're collecting more tax revenue after the IRS was given the budget it needed to hire more investigators to go after rich tax cheats. We have the number one economy in the world, and second place is a distant second place. Don't take my word for it. Do your own research. (I used to be a banker, so I'm familiar with this stuff.) If people in this country think any economy anywhere is supposed to be a lot better than this economy, they're going to be sadly disappointed. They will always feel like the economy needs to, "turn around". What is more likely is that their personal economy is poor because they were not well-educated nor did they develop valuable skills, such as being an electrician or an auto mechanic. Most of the people I see complaining about hard times have spent too much money on consumer goods they didn't need, they didn't go to college, and they are disgruntled that they fail to compete with immigrants that work harder and work better than they do. Those people are always going to have a, "bad economy" .
@@chriseidam7319 All true but many people feel inflation is high b/c they compare prices now to pre-pandemic which includes several years of high inflation. They’d feel OK (& we’d all prefer) if the current 2.4% rate of inflation was preceed by deflation to reverse turn back the clock. BTW an Australian economic researcher found people feel pessimistic about the US economy (when surveyed) but their spending on non-essentials including vacations sez otherwise.
The robotaxi uses inductive charging which means it likely will not be available for 5 years or longer. I fully expect to get my Aptera sometime in 2026.
I hope you're right. I hope you do get your car in 2026. But for the sake of discussion, what are you going to do if they don't deliver a car to you by the end of 2026? Are you going to get a different EV, or are you going to continue to drive your current car and wait?
I reserved my Aptera in '22 with a projected delivery in '23. My position is somewhere around 17K+. I probably won't see mine until '28. That's fine. If I can mine for under $32K by then, I'll be happy.
The delays are frustrating, doubly so for those who have money invested in this company already. I don't find them concerning yet, though. There have always been clear reasons why it's been pushed back (money, covid, redesign for high volume production, supply chain, etc), and progress has been continuous, if slow. It really does feel like we're in the final leg of the race. The design is locked down, the supply chain seems to be mostly ready for early production, and it seems likely everything is going to be funded for long enough to get things rolling. So while this has been frustrating from the outside, I'm cautiously optimistic that Aptera will survive the road to mass production
Robo Taxi , I get it an FSD only car, I don’t get FSD yet! And I am not a hater, we have a Model Y with FSD in Omaha NE not insane traffic here. But our FSD version 12.5.3 is no where near ready to drive around by itself. Went down a one way street the wrong way last week, the one way is only about 100 yards and badly marked but still. Plus it got confused in a construction zone and just stopped the other day wtf. And various other small issues. I would say it’s 98%, but 2 possible accidents in 100 drives is simply not Ok. Needs to be 99.99%!
Cheapest cybertruck is currently 79k when they sell more the lowest price model will be for sale $60,900 once enough dual motors sell. Also note. Tesla insurance covers autopilot or fsd crashes. They are already 10x safer them human driver in miles driven per accident
I think one of the main reason for FSD delays, is the clearance delays from regulating authorities. About the $30,000 car, yes, I do believe it IS POSSIBLE especially taking into consideration what Tony Seba has predicted about the cost of batteries falling ~10% every year and the energy density increasing ~10% on a yearly basis. Yes, I do think this is possible.
$30,000 will not be possible with inflation chewing away at the value of money. Falling battery prices are not resulting in vehicle prices consistently falling.
Thank you for this comparison, it gives me some perspective. It does not totally excuse Aptera and it's timeline slippage. But after all it's a completely new car company trying to do something completely new. It's taking many years, which isn't surprising.
First off,,, what everyone is missing ,, is that Robo taxi ( RT) is supposedly same platform that Model 2 will be built on. Soooo, if FSD isn’t completely ready in 2027 then , they could just put pedals, steering wheel, and side mirrors on RT and call it Model 2. Aptera has already shown you don’t need a rear hatch glass just use a camera. Tesla has reportedly been working on its much simplier next gen platform for awhile, so if true, it’s not that unreasonable to think that the platform for RT,,, MIGHT be ready in 2026. Aptera has shown the world that you CAN design and manufacturer a Molded composite body CHEAPER and better than a metal body, Aptera has also shown that Wrapping a composite body is Cheaper than painting one. Sooooo what’s to prevent Tesla ( with all its HUGE resources), from doing the same with RT or model 2, which could just simply be a RT with pedals and a steering wheel right?? And as for Tesla missing timelines,, Teslas most successful car yet ( and best selling car in the world), Model Y ACTUALLY came out early. So YES, a model 2 based on RT platform could indeed be coming out 2026 IMHO. At the We Robot event, someone asked the engineers about the design of the RT. They said they’re targeting 5.5miles/KWR or 184whr/mile, significantly less than any EV on the road currently but still quite a bit higher than Aptera, it was also said that the robo taxis at the event were composite and wrapped, so 184whr/mile seems easily within reach. Soooooooo if The Model 2 which will most likely be built on RT platform is molded lightweight composite, aerodynamic , and wrapped,, why wouldn’t it be under $30K??? Isnt that what Aptera promised for a similarly designed Car?? As for FSD,, obviously is turned out to be a far far harder nut to crack than anyone including Elon thought,, but,, they are making progress. FSD now is infinitely better than it was in 2018 ( still not there yet though). I just recently bought a used 2021 Model Y with HW3 , its basic autopilot is much better than the model 3 I test drove in 2018, and I’ve actually seen it improve just in last few software updates. I got to trial FSD on my HW3 equipped Model Y for a month, I drove it over many challenging routes, it did a few things that were scarey, but for most part it did fairly well.HW 4 that came out 2023 is 5x better than HW3, and HW5 is supposedly going to be 10x better than HW4,, and since AI is on a exponential improvement scale now,,, it IS possible we ARE close now,,, maybe, maybe not. The past DOES NOT equal the future. I use autopilot ( not FSD) for 99% of my long highway drives, even twisty mountain roads,,, I find it to work exceptionally well. I’m not a big Elon Fan or hater. I will however say that the model Y is by far the best car I’ve ever owned by far in every aspect, and apparently so does the rest of the world . Tesla ( the company) is ALWAYS iteratively improving, usually not as fast as people would like, but usually always EVENTUALLY get there. There seems to be this trend to BASH Tesla, but IMHO I see nothing that prevents TESLA from coming out with a Model 2 based on RT platform that would be very similar to Aptera in almost every aspect ( except solar) except it would be a more traditional look with 4wheels, AND coming from what is now a very well established large scale mature automotive manufacturer at under $30K. IF that happens, it could really eat into Aptera’s Apeal, especially since many folks are turned off by Aptera’s unusual looks and it having 3wheels. All us Aptera’s fan boys don’t think so,, but,, we kinda live in a bubble.
"FSD,, obviously is turned out to be a far far harder nut to crack than anyone including Elon thought". Yeah, who coulda known, right? Aside from anyone who understands the human brain's capabilities relative to digital "intelligence"? Driving is largely a social process. It will be a very long time before machines master it comprehensively, and to do so, vehicles will need to be able to communicate. That thought hasn't even occurred to Musk yet.
"Just put" wheel and pedals is not a trivial engineering task to a vehicle that was designed to function with autonomous functionality to say nothing of changes in production equipment, production line processes, and adjustments to the supply chain.
Remember, some of us live in places that benefit more from driving, then others. I live in the sticks of Alaska, so we need reliable transportation that doesn't use robot assist. George Davis
No need to imagine. They DO take responsibility for all accidents if you have tesla insurance (which was $70 less per month then geico for me) so they cover accidents under autopilot and fsd, and it is cheaper. They covered my full car repaint when crazy person vandalized it. Tesla insurance is great!
Level5 full autonomous> maybe in 5 to 10 years (capabilities plus regulation) Robotaxi like car> If Tesla thinks Aptera is a big enough threat 1-2 years with current level of self driving (Otherwise ~3-5 yrs with waymo level self driving)
I don't understand why the robotaxi and all efficiency focused vehicles don't enclose the rear tire. It is the simplest little change and substantially improves airodynamics. The FSD autonomy really needs to learn how to deal with potholes even for widely deployed level 4.
I know. That drives me crazy. I owned a first generation Honda Insight and that thing would get 63 mpg because of the areodyamic body design and the wheel covers on the rear wheels.
First off, remember when people seen that three wheeled rendering of the robotaxi? People were thinking it was to happen and thus people would get excited about Aptera because three wheelers would be in the press. Just so you know, Tesla will not make a three wheeler because Musk thinks they are dangerous (he told that to Arcimoto). I doubt that Aptera and the fan club will be able to change his mind. I do not understand at all why the videos on comparing the robotaxi to the Aptera. Might as well compare it to a Hummer. I'm thinking why this this is happening, is to just get the Aptera name out there and name drop Musk, Robotaxi and Tesla. Trying to get views. It also looks nothing like an Aptera. It has 4 wheels to start. The roofline looks like a model Y, just smaller. The doors? Really? Did Aptera invent those style doors and we've never seen another vehicle with them ever? I'd tell people that the doors are like an Italian Supercar or maybe a prototype like runs in IMSA or WEC. On the other hand, that doesn't get the views.
@@jasonhochstrasser8657 - You win that one. I also can compare the two for things like this: - rubber tires - windscreen - seats - wheels - interior carpet - list goes on Thus, I can compare it to a Lamborghini too.
Folks keep missing the point about Tesla's taxi: Even today, FSD is good enough to permit driving the Cybercab/Robotaxi with a set of USB car gaming controllers, with only some truly minor regulatory approvals/exceptions needed (it's drive-by-wire taken to the limit). Sure, Tesla will demo it as autonomously as possible, but I bet early orders will require purchase of a "Controller Pack". Wanna bet there are mounting points already included hidden behind trim, under the dash and on the floor? In other words, THIS IS THE MODEL 2.
I would be more interested in how this, (Tesla) compares to Open Pilot. Slippage in time for new developments is maybe to be expected. Being overly optimistic is somewhat a human condition, as most of us do this as a matter of everyday hope. PI 4 before the roadster, most likely. Cybercab does have a look of attempting to be more aerodynamic, my head says the Aptera might be a lower drag, but without a wind tunnel who knows?
FSD is in another class compared to Open Pilot. Open Pilot is more of an automatic cruise control and lane-keeping, which is great! Tesla has Autopilot, which does the same thing essentially. To get Open Pilot to FSD, CommaAI will need huge AI server farms, cameras all around the vehicles, and billions of miles of training data. Probably won’t happen, but OP is still a great assistant from what I’ve seen, maybe as good or better than any other lane-keeping system out there.
We didn't have end to end neural networks to make stuff like self driving cars happen until recently. Nor did the technology exist to even sanely think personal, intelligent, robots could be sold to the public. If ever there was a time that FSD can become a thing, it's now. And yes, the Aptera will come to market in 2025 from all indications. Small numbers mind you, but some will get their vehicles in 2025. I'm thinking too that the "Robotaxi" will be ready by 2025 too. The regulations to make them road legal will take longer though.
Steve, I suggest that you watch the Electric Viking's video, This Is What the Robotaxi should have been. It's about Aptera, and looks like it has an interview with Steve Fambro.
Robo Van converted into an autonomous mobile home covered with solar cells might be the most space & energy efficient mobile home ever (no steering wheel no driver seat). Sleep, work, play or eat/cook while driving to a new destination. People want privacy or want to be fully public, and robo Van public transport does not offer this.
Needless to say the Tesla Event was underwhelming. RoboTaxi/CyberTaxi is still a gleam in some "Production" eye, years away. I agree with those that say the RoboTaxi is the basis for a Model 2, but that is still a few year away as well, but will be a strong competitor if around 30K and eligible for the Federal Government Incentive if it is still in play at that point. We owned a Model 3 with full self driving (Admittedly a past version, maybe level 3+) and stopped using it when all of the incidents of accidents happened and it was under investigation by the NHTSA. It certainly wasn't ready for prime time then. We will see an Aptera PI4 long before any level of a Tesla Model 2 and I suspect strongly, a production Aptera before any version of a Tesla Model 2 to include a prototype with wheel and pedals. I edited this post to include reference to the NHTSA's recent announcement that they will be investigating Tesla FSD due to another fatal crash where it was involved. The investigation will include all 2.5M FSD equipped Teslas in the U.S.
@@RajivPanjeet not just the best-selling, also the best car in the world! Aptera is going to have its time in the sun too. Can't wait to park it next to my Model 3
@@RajivPanjeet Actually, The Model Y is the 4th best selling vehicle in the U.S. As usual, the Ford and Chevy pickups are 1 and 2 and the Toyota RAV 4 is number three.
I am annoyed by Aptera's constant timeline slippage, but I have kept my reservation because they are being extremely transparent on what they are working on and when they are working on it.
Elon is not writing FSD, it is his team. The timeline and the cybercab event is IMO to motivate his team to get FSD on the market. Tesla engineers also watch this channel - there is a good chance that also the production version of the robotaxi will be made of carbon. Imagine how that will simplify the production process. But can they pull that off without acquiring a company specialized in volume carbon?
I really like your channel and I am definitely not an Elon Musk fanboy, but I think you're wrong about when FSD is happening. It's sort of like the boiling frog problem. It keeps improving but is still not approved due to regulations, and accident statistics with full self-driving engaged are much better than without it. But that is looking backward and it has drastically improved very recently in terms of disengagements. A big part of the problem is what do you call safe enough to be approved. To get to the point I think it's going to be approved sooner than you think, but politics will get in the way because of Elon's terrible political judgement. BTW I love Aptera's approach and want to get one. I have used openpilot a lot and will definitely get it also for an Aptera I buy. I am a happy Tesla investor but not owner. Rebates in 2019 made it more affordable to buy a used 2016 e-golf and a new Hyundai Kona electric.
Tesla doesn't have a a feature called "Full Self Driving" it's name is "Full Self Driving Supervised". They deliberately changed the name when they removed the 'Beta' tag so it was obvious that the driver needs to be fully attentive and ready to take over. (also you said it was 'Beta' it's not, please try to keep up)
Steve I think you miss the 1st principal item and efficiency was not it. It is a purpose built design to be a cab. The CC is not meant to be driven by a human, only humans need mirrors. The trunk is designed to hold two of the largest bags allowed on air flights plus two carry-on bags. None of NHTSA levels for autonomy require mirrors. They made 20 and currently get 5.5 miles per kWh and think they can get 6. The range is 200 miles so maybe 34-40kWh pack? There are forward cameras just behind the doors [high up]. Tail camera, 2 forward cameras top of windshield and the side rear views. You do not have much of any controls just infotainment system. The industry records of cabs show that 80% of fairs are 1 person and 10-12% are 2. Greater numbers will be served by the current fleet of owners of Y's and 3's that participate [they had 15 of each at the event in AI software version]. I think that Elon is betting that the new Mega AI processors will solve FSD. I think about 8 billion in chips will be bought this year by Tesla just for Texas. 50,000 new nVidia AI chips plus Dojo and some AMD mixed together in Austin alone that will consume over 500 MWh in a year or less from now. I think the NY system is also being built out but might be held back by talks with the state. Plus he wants access to none driving cars for remote processing and will pay for it. Oh, they also showed a robotic cleaning system for taxi fleets. But who has to take out insurance and what kind? This is a state issue! As they have learned from trying to run their own insurance company. Plus business license as a taxi, or airport access? There is a youtube vid by someone in the crowd of Sandy M looking CC over and talking to the tech's. When he moved back towards the crowd, someone asked what he thought. He replied it was great and made from carbon fiber. Dr. Knowitall says the CC's were made from a moldable carbon fiber that would be too tedious to make thousands of so it will probably be high tech plastics for the body and mega castings. I told him to take a look at Aptera's BinC and that is what the cybertrucks bed is made from; CF-SMC. All the bodies are wrapped. Tailosive has a good comparison of it to aptera! I like most of his take on it. What I don't buy is that this is going to solve traffic jams or turn parking lots into gardens. For a number of reasons, but my best example I think is tailgating parties! Many of those sports fans are generational. Owning the same parking lot spot for home games of whatever sport for decades along with box seats. Another example is airports. CYBERLYFT channel just did some tests of FSD at an airport in Florida that showed flaws in navigating the lanes to the right area in a couple of cases. Waymo has basically established the path to getting licensed by cities and what data NHTSA wants. The head of Waymo said Tesla is way ahead of them when it comes to full autonomy with massively more data.
There is no need for side mirrors, if the human can't control the car... With fully automounts cars (assuming those will ever be a thing) mirrors will be a thing of the past.
Yeah, I agree that there is ZERO chance that the RoboTaxi will come out in 2026, and/or come out at $30K. As you mentioned, the Cybertruck went from a $40K announced price to (nearly 4 years later) a minimum buyers cost of $125K! Nice work outlining the false/missed promises for FSD actually becoming Full Self Driving. And because Musk has designed the RoboTaxi with no steering wheel or accelerator/brake pedals, now the minimum time for the RoboTaxi vehicle release is tied directly to unsupervised Full Self Driving regulatory approval. Plus I will add that Elon stated that the RoboTaxi will NOT have a NACS plug, which takes away the achievement of having 60,000 Superchargers available to use. And really limits the Robotaxi's extendable range, charging speed, and practicality.
A fair assessment. Cybertruck had 1 million pre-orders just a year ago, but ended their reservation program after delivering just 25,000 vehicles; a 2.5% conversion rate. Tesla has not introduced a successful new product since Model Y and even that was merely an evolution of Model 3, which was introduced in 2016. It's fine to speculate with new market categories as the rewards can be massive, but the chances of success tend to be very low. Tesla is today at the leading edge of automotive manufacturing, yet may be in serious trouble. Were I an investor, I would have sold my shares the instant that they threw the baseball at a standard automotive window at last year's Cybertruck event just to satisfy their insane boss. The discomfort in that room was palpable, yet the audience cheered afterward anyway just to please the toddler with the microphone. That really worries me about their, and our, future. Pandering is unbelievably dangerous when its being done at a three-quarter-trillion dollar company; actual *lives* hang in the balance.
Mirrors are required for cars. Case in point, if you remove the doors on a Jeep you are to have side mirrors. Thus why the aftermarket sells side mirrors that bolt on as the OEM ones are attached to the door. There are companies (like Honda) that have a mirror and a camera.
The changes in the Aptera reduce engineering and software demands to get to production. The shape similarities between robo-taxi and Aptera are driven by aerodynamics. Timeline slippage is due to the lack of billions of dollars. The universe has ironically imposed the need on the Aptera company to be as efficient as the Aptera vehicle. We, Aptera reservation holders and investors, are the benefactors of this beautiful coincidence. 🎉😊🎉
one thing about the robotaxi and the mirror situation i think that they have right, its attached to the body of the car, instead of the door. i would have liked to have seen the aptera with no wires routed into the door, manual windows and camera mirror attached to the body instead of the door. it's quite the headache in older cars when the wires that route through the door become brittle and either short out or break. yes yes i know, that'll be 20 years from when the car is manufactured. hey if we are going to keep our apteras and make them generational vehicles, i expect that it will out live me.
Elon takes a very aggressive tact toward regulators. It sometimes helps to make positive change, but it’s very dangerous game. Obviously regulators are influenced by the majority of the markets they oversee and if those markets are not ready for change it will be hard to change the regulations to adopt sensible forward-thinking change. Will the next fight end with better regulation, or Elon in jail? I’ll have my popcorn and my right to petition.
@@RajivPanjeet Just stop. Stop with this "hater" nonsense. Have you no capacity to empathize and see that other people have different ideas and different use cases and different needs than you have? Just because we've become cynical over the constant delays doesn't make us "haters" , except for hating the delays. I don't know about you, but I didn't just put an order on a vehicle three years ago. I invested a bunch of money, and I am not rich. So I'm losing two different ways here, because this company is nowhere near a reasonable timeline trajectory. Nowhere near. Think about it - how many times have you ordered a brand new consumer product and was told you had to wait 7 years after you were told at the time of ordering that you were going to get it in seven months, as I was told by Aptera. You think that somebody that has a problem with that is a "hater" ? Learn to discuss without making personal insults and slights. It's the mature thing to do. This is a good UA-cam channel where most people are quite civil and respectful, even if they disagree. Please adopt that attitude if you're going to participate. Nobody wants to be lectured by anybody here, including by you. I don't like having to lecture you right now, but this "hater" stuff has to stop, so lecture I must.
Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink have employees who have been amazingly innovative and productive. It’s a shame that Elon Musk brings such disrespect and dishonor to the great things their creativity and labor has achieved through his bad behavior. Accordingly, I will not purchase a thing that is associated with that reckless, foolhardy, egotistical, execrable autocrat.
If I bought an Aptera, I would want to get a trailer with solar panels to go with it. I would want to figure out the length that would be suitable. If it was 12 feet long, how many solar cells can it hold while travelling? Could it have a battery pack built in? And could this trailer have 2 additional panels included so the 3 panels could become the roof of a tent?
The shape of aptera and Teslas robo car are similar because the laws of aerodynamics are the same for any maker. So the most efficient shape is similar. By reducing drag Tesla can use fewer batteries that reduces cost. Tesla is still a steel car and has four wheels. Apteras design is more extreme than Teslas. Using three wheels and a carbon and aluminum body the aptera is s still more efficient than the Tesla. Concerning the $30,000 pricetag.......I am skeptical because Tesla loads their cars with many features. I find most of them unnecessary as I don't use a car for an entertainment.......I use a car for transportation. Also add $6000 for fsd software. Tesla options are not cheap some paint colors from Tesla cost thousands of dollars. Then there is the maintenance issue. Tesla maintenance is costly where aptera is friendly for owner/third party maintenance. You bring up a good point the pricing. I remember when cyber truck was going to cost *$40,000. Tesla is making what they call their foundation series cyber truck......with every option for around $100,000. They anticipate the standard cyber truck will run $60-80,000. That's a far cry from the original $40,000..!!!!....then there is the issue of apteras solar cells. No, I am not worried about Teslas cyber car......,.or add a steering wheel and its Teslas model 2......
I've noticed a lot of Aptera hate lately. While i think some is coming from sincere, real people, i think a lot are likely to be paid Trolls. This is something Microsoft has done for years. Paid people to post negative comments about whatever they feel like has market share they want. I actually worked with a guy who had that job for Microsoft (after he wasn't doing it anymore)
I dont think the massive slippage on full self driving by Tesla excuses the slippage by Aptera. The Aptera seems like a great design and a significant step forward in EV's. But I have lost all faith in Aptera getting the job done. I canceled my reservation yesterday. I was sad to do that because I really, really wanted an Aptera, but at some point you just have to move on.
Thanks for posting. I don’t think we will see a CyberCab or Model 3 anytime soon. I think Elon is just going to cash flow Tesla to support his other endeavors. Remember the former Twitter is losing tons of money. Aptera is keenly motivated to get their vehicle on the road
I hope Aptera has the PI builds doing validation before Xmas and a nice progress report in my stocking. The roadster will unveil in Late January at best and mini-thrusters will not get approval for street use. Not even sure about drag strips? Maybe Bonneville desert! The taxi is going to happen but I still think Las Vegas ends up having them in tunnels first. Tesla has the potential to do SMC itself. They already have a Dye factory in Austin for making mega cast dyes, stamping dyes and plastics molding casts. SMC has the best potential of making safe, less expensive EV's or other platforms.
I preordered an Aptera and invested in the company early. I have been a big proponent of their vehicle and message of solar mobility. With their latest delay to the schedule, however, I have no faith now that they will ever deliver anything. I will probably buy a Tesla instead.
I agree that is hard to know what will happen with the RoboTaxi which is really just a concept. It is also hard to know what customer will accept in the marketplace. For example, suppose they built the RoboTaxi with a small battery. Would you buy a city car that doubles as an Uber business? Will governments accept/allow it to operate. As you pointed out with the Roadster, is there a need for that vehicle if some EVs are already at 2-3secs. I'm not sure and I think Telsa may be using these events to figure out the market before committing the factory space.
I don't think companies actually think they are delivering a vehicle when they say. Aptera saying 2022 was obviously ridiculous, they knew it would take longer.
With NO requirement for a driver, the isn't a need for having rear view line of sight OR mirrors, including side mirrors! However, add the features needed for a driver along with solar charging, and I would seriously consider buying that version of the CyberCab in lieu of the Aptera LE that keeps being kicked down the road. BTW comparing the Tesla Roadster to an Aptera makes as much sense as comparing a Lamborghini Countach to a VW Kafer!
Perhaps Elon Musk will see the wisdom of (and Aptera should sell him on) a fleet of 1,000-mile Apteras for his Robo/Cyber-Taxi project. I suspect that Aptera will be far more efficient and Tesla has the technology for sensors, self-driving, etc. in fact I would be willing to wait longer on my Launch Edition if this would get Aptera the funding they need to get to mass production.
3:45 1/1/26 is a little different than 12/31/26. You seem to get comfort that Tesla has time slippage, and it makes you feel better. You're starting to sound like that terrible mod from the Aptera subreddit. "I'll criticize the opp to assuage my fears."
Elon is a liability Nothing he says should be taken seriously He does push the envelope in shit talking and can take credit when his engineers cracks a problem
Elon doesn't have anything to prove. The cars he has brought to market have made him a billionaire, (at one point he was even a trillionaire). At this point, Aptera hasn't made a single cent in profit, and hasn't delivered a single vehicle to its customers, and has a pre-order list of 50,000, whereas Tesla has already delivered more than 5 million vehicles. There is literally no comparison. Are you also going to compare Elio to Tesla? Paul Elio has missed even more timelines than Elon, does that mean he really isn't doing that badly after all? Not that I think Aptera is in the same category as Elio, but even the much-maligned Nikola has at least delivered more vehicles than either Aptera or Elio. What's that saying about the proof of the pudding?
I spoke to Chris at San Francisco and he was confident about getting the money. If Aptera is so confident that the car is production worthy they should consider an IPO once they have a couple dozen cars to sell. The approach they’re taking now is too slow.
@@artsmith103 yup. In Silicon Valley speed is of essence. I understand why Aptera would want to avoid VC money as those people are ruthless but that’s the system Aptera is up against. I do want Aptera to succeed as I love their ethical approach to business but the question is can they get there fast enough.
@@greghelton4668 I suspect quite different. I think they are incapable of building the trike and don't want to associate with anyone that will expose them. Their years of failed claims have gotten them $150M donations via crowdfunding but the 3rd more professional investment type firm appears to be saying no to Aptera. Qualified critics have pointed out a lot of design shortcomings. IWM, belly cooling, AWD have all been deleted due to conflicts. No performance specs have ever been demonstrated. How could they not demo the kWh to drive to In-N-Out nor show the solar charging while parked at the beach? Critics estimated a 7-10 kWh battery in Gamma for a long time. Fanboys laughed at the suggestion. I hope no one else loses money to Aptera.
You underestimate Aptera’s timeline slippage. It began when my daughter was in kindergarten in 2008, and now she’s started medical school. Will I see an Aptera before she becomes a doctor? Or before she has to take the car keys away from me? Does this company have ADHD? It should’ve been released a long time ago, but I fear the window of opportunity is closing. It’s been sacrificed at the altar of hyping up an unrealistic "solar mobility" dream when it could have been the world’s most efficient commuter car.
Trying to excuse Aptera’s failures and delays by pulling in Tesla’s failures and delays is not comparable due to the fact that at least Tesla has products out there to purchase and drive. While I don’t believe Cybercab will be ready in 2026, they could throw in a steering wheel and pedals and produce a cheaper EV next year. Will they, I don’t know. When it comes to Aptera, I have lost all faith, and as an investor, I am already prepared to lose my investment. Aptera and Tesla need to come together and work on the vehicle together.
If Telsa ever bought out Aptera, I don't necessarily think that would be a good thing. I would think if Musk ever invested in Aptera, it would be to bury the product or use it exclusively for fleet purposes and not for sale on the open market.
@@stevemontana1878 possibly, but who knows. Elon isn’t a Billionaire because he doesn’t sell things. If it works and there’s money to be made he sells it.
@@glennturner1057 My point is Aptera could be seen as a category killer. It would threaten a shift in mobility that could destroy others’ margins. Tesla is shrewd. If a low cost, low cost to operate vehicle were to come to market, I would imagine they would financially benefit to keep the Aptera off the streets unless they were used to derive operating income.
When you have to compare your issues with issues other companies have faced you are just admitting desperation has set in. Honestly, you are just coping.
Yes, don't push back at the idiotic concern trolls who whinge about Aptera's delays as if it never happened to a startup before! The fact that a billionaire with an established record of producing millions of EVs has a far worse record of time line slippage really doesn't matter. Not fair to bring it up! It smacks of punching back! You are supposed to just embrace the whinge.
@@GullWingInnMoclips Aptera has launched 200% more companies than products sold! Theyve also raised infinitely more money than profit theyve generated. Truly magicians!
@@RajivPanjeet I love your mad-math-mutterings... truly inspired! Of course, it has little to do with the feat of actually building a unique vehicle from scratch while carrying a mega-fvck-load of whingey ankle biters onboard... which is far more impressive than your percentage bleatings... but, please do continue. You are 100% of something.
Aptera has never built a single vehicle that demonstrates its claims. It currently has no credibility as a manufacturer because it hasn't earned any. They have no design or plan on the table to viably build you what they promised. The USCG "offering" was a long-form epitaph.
Be careful AOC. You have just offended a bunch of Tesla fans. You will be called Tesla hater. But using someone else behavior to excuse Aptera is quite inappropriate.
They'd have to be bankrupt. They're not. If they filed for bankruptcy, they'd be denied. They could arrange to become bankrupt easily enough, but that's a worse look than merely failing.
Not for nothing, but you sound like a Tesla hater. Take a look at the bill of materials and Tesla’s innovation in manufacturing. This car will be the first to use the unboxed process, likely with Optimus robots. Comparing Tesla’s potential delays to Aptera, a company that hasn’t even shipped a production car, feels disingenuous at best.
There are no Aptera on the road. Not one unit sold. Elon has missed targets. Two things can be true at the same time. There are Teslas on the road. What's your point? Aptera apologist?
Aptera before the roadster.
Just think that if a established company with years of making EVs, tons of money and teams of engineers are so late with their deadlines, Aptera looks like they're doing great. I don't see these Robotaxis being on the road even in 2027. The safety and regulatory hurdles are going to be huge for any self driving vehicle. Be lucky by 2030.
But possibly a cybercab looking vehicle with steering wheel and pedals could come out. The only delay with cybercab is the regulations for fully self driving vehicles. While Aptera, just keeps changing and changing their vehicle and delaying production. Currently people who have ordered an Aptera don’t know when they are getting it, as the dashboard has changed the delivery date once again. They keep having trouble with funding, and as an investor in Aptera I am starting to have my doubts it will be released at all.
To be fair, his exact words were referring to manufacturing, lol I’m sure they could be starting to manufacture them but yeah, I really doubt that regulatory stuff will clear by then
If Elon is the efficiency czar, then the robotaxi gets everything greenlit in no time.
I agree with @glennturner1057 . It really seems like they are seeing Aptera as a potential threat, and trying to come up with something comparable (but will drop it in a second if Aptera fails, they already have what they want and won't want to move from a higher profit margin vehicle to a lower one)
"established company with years of making EVs, tons of money and teams of engineers" That right there is why Tesla can afford to miss deadlines...they have the resources necessary to survive when they do, Aptera does not plain and simple.
Timeline slippage is also due to Aptera changing much of the original intention. The change to Italy, the move away from in wheel motors, etc. Whenever something changes it ripples downstream throughout the entire process of design and production
Absolutely boys and girls.
Half right. In general, the very early move towards larger scale production (which includes Italy) delayed things a bit. But the main delay for over 2 years now has been their inability to close the current funding round. That is why US Capital was brought on... to close the round.
@@JacobBunce-o9l
And therein lies the difference between Tesla and Aptera. Tesla is well beyond the weeds of financial insecurity. Aptera is mired in them.
If I posted this once I've posted it 30 times - Aptera will not likely be able to gain any significant funding because of the bait-and-switch it did on the Accelerators. It's that simple.
I used to be a banker, so I understand and appreciate risk versus reward. You better believe that any potential major investors understand that as well, and they will do their due diligence. In there due diligence they'll find out about the bait-and-switch to the Accelerators. Does anybody really think that an investor is going to invest major money when they gain that info? From where I stand, no major investor is going to invest in this company unless they're an angel investor willing to lose everything they invest.
If an angel investor was going to step up and save this company, I believe it would have happened by now. US Capital has only been able to raise $200,000 in additional funding since the beginning of June, to my knowledge. I'm not knocking US Capital, but that's a pathetic result. In my mind, it proves this vehicle is never going into mass production. The founders will exhaust the remaining funds with the burn rate, declare bankruptcy, then take the intellectual property rights and monetize them in some way.
The founders will do well if that works out. The rest of us who invested will get nothing. That technology was developed and perfected with our investment dollars, and we're not going to see a single penny from that risk that we took.
That's how I see it. That's why I'm buying a different car before the end of this year 'cuz I won't qualify for the federal EV tax credit next year.
As I posted yesterday, if Aptera - by some miracle - offers a car for me to buy in three, four, five or however many more years from now, I'll look at my then-current situation and decide whether I want to sell the car I buy now to get the Aptera, or if I'm just going to cancel my Aptera order.
But I think that's a moot point, 'cuz I seriously doubt this car will ever see mass-production.
I think the schedule is going to be driven by funding. Not a real issue for Elon; huge issue for Aptera.
I totally agree. As a product designer myself, we had to get products to market ASAP. These 3 things affect the schedule, budget/funding, manpower, and project scope. Right now they are down on budget/funding and manpower.
aptera2 is already bankrupt. RIP
@@kayakcrazy4883 its already over for Aptera2
@@RajivPanjeet Not by the last FCC filings
Aptera did say the original plan was to boot strap up, but as time went by, they realized that there were very important updates they could make and inserted the PI prototypes to get them in. I am glad they did it. The boot strap process would have taken a long time, like 3 -4 years to get the production line up and it would have been funded by profit from early sales, so the initial Apteras would cost more than they do now to generate the cash flow. Equipment needed for full produciton would have been purchased piecemeal over time. So production would slowly speed up. This would be equivalent to a production line with a very small learning curve.
I don't understand the "bootstrap" terminology. Can you explain please?
Bootstrapping is the practice of self-financing a business. Using only existing resources (translation: no venture capital or major loans), bootstrapped companies build their businesses from scratch.
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Thanks. Now I know more today than I did yesterday. Always love to learn.
I think there is a chance that they will sell "normal" versions of the Cybercab (with steering, pedals, maybe changed to a small four-seater or so, where you can flip the seats forward to get into the back (like small European compacts/hatchbacks), and then sell that for 30k-ish. They can't announce that now to avoid osborning their Model 3 sales, but that seems as if it could be possible. But of course pure speculation ;). Nevertheless, if I had to choose between the driveable Cybercab and the Aptera, I'd pick the Aptera due to the full commitment to efficiency and solar charging. 👍
The cheap car shouldn’t affect M3/Y sales as it caters to a different demographic. But the M3 and Y are getting stale as they haven’t changed much in appearance over the years so people might choose the cheap car just because it’ll have a new look. This is why I think Musk isn’t thinking straight for critical short and mid term actions that need to be taken.
Officers of a company are technically bound by verbal statements. It amazes me that a class action suit hasn’t been filed against Musk because of the numerous past statements that haven’t reached fruition.
I just want to drive my Aptera launch edition. Now pushed back to 2026! Investment money is the issue here, along with sustaining the company through production hell. FYI, I have had FSD on my Tesla since 2018. FSD Version 12 is finally when it got amazing. If you want to experience it go test drive a Tesla.
But, at some time your large investment will pay you enough to be compensated for the wait.
The CyberCab projection reminds me of the adage about construction projects: " You can have it cheap, or good, or done quickly, but can, at best, have only 2 of the choices. If you want it cheap and quickly it won't be good. If you want it quickly and want it good, it won't be cheap, or if you want it good, and cheap, it won't be done quickly". So, I'll wait, grudgingly, for my Aptera to be good and acceptably priced.
My dashboard now says tba. I’m just thrilled.
Where are you in the line?
Me too, and I reserved within an hour of reservations opening.
@@Jeff-wx3tx 26k +. It’s a 1k variant.
I really wish Aptera would simply push the cost per mile to drive. In my opinion that’s what is going to be the biggest selling point as people are becoming more and more strapped for cash, but need a reliable vehicle for commuting. Regardless of who wins the presidency we are not going to see a big economic turnaround in the foreseeable future. Aptera is strategically positioned to be an ultimate survivor in a world of expensive to buy, drive and operate EVs. Aptera needs big investors that actually understand what Aptera offers that no other EV does (including the currently hyped Robo Taxi). What other EV is likely still going to be on the road 20 years from now?
What do you mean by, "turn around the economy"?
I keep hearing people talk about a bad economy. I don't get it. This is a fantastic economy. I'm 60-years-old and this is one of the best times in the economy in my lifetime.
We have low inflation, low unemployment, high capital investment in new factories and infrastructure, and our deficit rate is declining because we're collecting more tax revenue after the IRS was given the budget it needed to hire more investigators to go after rich tax cheats.
We have the number one economy in the world, and second place is a distant second place. Don't take my word for it. Do your own research. (I used to be a banker, so I'm familiar with this stuff.)
If people in this country think any economy anywhere is supposed to be a lot better than this economy, they're going to be sadly disappointed. They will always feel like the economy needs to, "turn around".
What is more likely is that their personal economy is poor because they were not well-educated nor did they develop valuable skills, such as being an electrician or an auto mechanic. Most of the people I see complaining about hard times have spent too much money on consumer goods they didn't need, they didn't go to college, and they are disgruntled that they fail to compete with immigrants that work harder and work better than they do. Those people are always going to have a, "bad economy" .
@@chriseidam7319 All true but many people feel inflation is high b/c they compare prices now to pre-pandemic which includes several years of high inflation. They’d feel OK (& we’d all prefer) if the current 2.4% rate of inflation was preceed by deflation to reverse turn back the clock. BTW an Australian economic researcher found people feel pessimistic about the US economy (when surveyed) but their spending on non-essentials including vacations sez otherwise.
The robotaxi uses inductive charging which means it likely will not be available for 5 years or longer. I fully expect to get my Aptera sometime in 2026.
ill take half of what youre smoking
I hope you're right. I hope you do get your car in 2026.
But for the sake of discussion, what are you going to do if they don't deliver a car to you by the end of 2026? Are you going to get a different EV, or are you going to continue to drive your current car and wait?
You realize that inductive charging already exists for evs.
@@jackgreenstalk777
I think he means that'll take 5 years to install a network of those chargers
Think it should say “hold my ketamine”
AND play the theme music from the OLD "Twighlight Zone" TV show!
Imagine making fun of someone for the prescription they're on. F'ing disgusting
hater
I reserved my Aptera in '22 with a projected delivery in '23. My position is somewhere around 17K+. I probably won't see mine until '28. That's fine. If I can mine for under $32K by then, I'll be happy.
The delays are frustrating, doubly so for those who have money invested in this company already. I don't find them concerning yet, though. There have always been clear reasons why it's been pushed back (money, covid, redesign for high volume production, supply chain, etc), and progress has been continuous, if slow. It really does feel like we're in the final leg of the race. The design is locked down, the supply chain seems to be mostly ready for early production, and it seems likely everything is going to be funded for long enough to get things rolling.
So while this has been frustrating from the outside, I'm cautiously optimistic that Aptera will survive the road to mass production
Robo Taxi , I get it an FSD only car, I don’t get FSD yet!
And I am not a hater, we have a Model Y with FSD in Omaha NE not insane traffic here. But our FSD version 12.5.3 is no where near ready to drive around by itself.
Went down a one way street the wrong way last week, the one way is only about 100 yards and badly marked but still. Plus it got confused in a construction zone and just stopped the other day wtf. And various other small issues. I would say it’s 98%, but 2 possible accidents in 100 drives is simply not Ok.
Needs to be 99.99%!
Cheapest cybertruck is currently 79k when they sell more the lowest price model will be for sale $60,900 once enough dual motors sell.
Also note. Tesla insurance covers autopilot or fsd crashes. They are already 10x safer them human driver in miles driven per accident
I think one of the main reason for FSD delays, is the clearance delays from regulating authorities.
About the $30,000 car, yes, I do believe it IS POSSIBLE especially taking into consideration what Tony Seba has predicted about the cost of batteries falling ~10% every year and the energy density increasing ~10% on a yearly basis. Yes, I do think this is possible.
$30,000 will not be possible with inflation chewing away at the value of money. Falling battery prices are not resulting in vehicle prices consistently falling.
Random thought: The Cyber Cab needs a manual release for the doors (Like Aptera) or it will feel like a death trap.
Thank you for this comparison, it gives me some perspective. It does not totally excuse Aptera and it's timeline slippage. But after all it's a completely new car company trying to do something completely new. It's taking many years, which isn't surprising.
Some of the updates they inserted were the graphite composite inner shell, and an improved solar cell technology.
First off,,, what everyone is missing ,, is that Robo taxi ( RT) is supposedly same platform that Model 2 will be built on. Soooo, if FSD isn’t completely ready in 2027 then , they could just put pedals, steering wheel, and side mirrors on RT and call it Model 2. Aptera has already shown you don’t need a rear hatch glass just use a camera. Tesla has reportedly been working on its much simplier next gen platform for awhile, so if true, it’s not that unreasonable to think that the platform for RT,,, MIGHT be ready in 2026. Aptera has shown the world that you CAN design and manufacturer a Molded composite body CHEAPER and better than a metal body, Aptera has also shown that Wrapping a composite body is Cheaper than painting one. Sooooo what’s to prevent Tesla ( with all its HUGE resources), from doing the same with RT or model 2, which could just simply be a RT with pedals and a steering wheel right??
And as for Tesla missing timelines,, Teslas most successful car yet ( and best selling car in the world), Model Y ACTUALLY came out early. So YES, a model 2 based on RT platform could indeed be coming out 2026 IMHO. At the We Robot event, someone asked the engineers about the design of the RT. They said they’re targeting 5.5miles/KWR or 184whr/mile, significantly less than any EV on the road currently but still quite a bit higher than Aptera, it was also said that the robo taxis at the event were composite and wrapped, so 184whr/mile seems easily within reach. Soooooooo if The Model 2 which will most likely be built on RT platform is molded lightweight composite, aerodynamic , and wrapped,, why wouldn’t it be under $30K??? Isnt that what Aptera promised for a similarly designed Car??
As for FSD,, obviously is turned out to be a far far harder nut to crack than anyone including Elon thought,, but,, they are making progress. FSD now is infinitely better than it was in 2018 ( still not there yet though). I just recently bought a used 2021 Model Y with HW3 , its basic autopilot is much better than the model 3 I test drove in 2018, and I’ve actually seen it improve just in last few software updates. I got to trial FSD on my HW3 equipped Model Y for a month, I drove it over many challenging routes, it did a few things that were scarey, but for most part it did fairly well.HW 4 that came out 2023 is 5x better than HW3, and HW5 is supposedly going to be 10x better than HW4,, and since AI is on a exponential improvement scale now,,, it IS possible we ARE close now,,, maybe, maybe not. The past DOES NOT equal the future. I use autopilot ( not FSD) for 99% of my long highway drives, even twisty mountain roads,,, I find it to work exceptionally well. I’m not a big Elon Fan or hater. I will however say that the model Y is by far the best car I’ve ever owned by far in every aspect, and apparently so does the rest of the world . Tesla ( the company) is ALWAYS iteratively improving, usually not as fast as people would like, but usually always EVENTUALLY get there. There seems to be this trend to BASH Tesla, but IMHO I see nothing that prevents TESLA from coming out with a Model 2 based on RT platform that would be very similar to Aptera in almost every aspect ( except solar) except it would be a more traditional look with 4wheels, AND coming from what is now a very well established large scale mature automotive manufacturer at under $30K. IF that happens, it could really eat into Aptera’s Apeal, especially since many folks are turned off by Aptera’s unusual looks and it having 3wheels.
All us Aptera’s fan boys don’t think so,, but,, we kinda live in a bubble.
"FSD,, obviously is turned out to be a far far harder nut to crack than anyone including Elon thought".
Yeah, who coulda known, right? Aside from anyone who understands the human brain's capabilities relative to digital "intelligence"?
Driving is largely a social process. It will be a very long time before machines master it comprehensively, and to do so, vehicles will need to be able to communicate. That thought hasn't even occurred to Musk yet.
"Just put" wheel and pedals is not a trivial engineering task to a vehicle that was designed to function with autonomous functionality to say nothing of changes in production equipment, production line processes, and adjustments to the supply chain.
@@johnmalcom9159if Teslas intent is to turn the RT into the M2, the engineering has been done to accept the pedals and steering wheel setup already.
Not everyone has to be a Tesla fan.
@@SteveBueche1027 Possible but not probable.
Remember, some of us live in places that benefit more from driving, then others. I live in the sticks of Alaska, so we need reliable transportation that doesn't use robot assist.
George Davis
I can not imagine Tesla or any manufacturer taking full responsibility. Not in my lifetime. Maybe not yours.
Waymo takes full responsibility
No need to imagine. They DO take responsibility for all accidents if you have tesla insurance (which was $70 less per month then geico for me) so they cover accidents under autopilot and fsd, and it is cheaper. They covered my full car repaint when crazy person vandalized it. Tesla insurance is great!
The cab has the design built in to add pedals and steering wheel for general purchase. Wait and see.
Level5 full autonomous> maybe in 5 to 10 years (capabilities plus regulation)
Robotaxi like car> If Tesla thinks Aptera is a big enough threat 1-2 years with current level of self driving
(Otherwise ~3-5 yrs with waymo level self driving)
I don't understand why the robotaxi and all efficiency focused vehicles don't enclose the rear tire. It is the simplest little change and substantially improves airodynamics. The FSD autonomy really needs to learn how to deal with potholes even for widely deployed level 4.
I know. That drives me crazy.
I owned a first generation Honda Insight and that thing would get 63 mpg because of the areodyamic body design and the wheel covers on the rear wheels.
First off, remember when people seen that three wheeled rendering of the robotaxi? People were thinking it was to happen and thus people would get excited about Aptera because three wheelers would be in the press. Just so you know, Tesla will not make a three wheeler because Musk thinks they are dangerous (he told that to Arcimoto). I doubt that Aptera and the fan club will be able to change his mind.
I do not understand at all why the videos on comparing the robotaxi to the Aptera. Might as well compare it to a Hummer. I'm thinking why this this is happening, is to just get the Aptera name out there and name drop Musk, Robotaxi and Tesla. Trying to get views.
It also looks nothing like an Aptera. It has 4 wheels to start. The roofline looks like a model Y, just smaller. The doors? Really? Did Aptera invent those style doors and we've never seen another vehicle with them ever? I'd tell people that the doors are like an Italian Supercar or maybe a prototype like runs in IMSA or WEC. On the other hand, that doesn't get the views.
One of the Tesla Robo cab's claims to fame is its high efficiency. Thus it is an appropriate comparison.
@@jasonhochstrasser8657 A comparison which it will lose, massively, if Aptera's performance is anywhere close to their predictions.
@@jasonhochstrasser8657 - You win that one. I also can compare the two for things like this:
- rubber tires
- windscreen
- seats
- wheels
- interior carpet
- list goes on
Thus, I can compare it to a Lamborghini too.
but delays of software FSD is a bit different than delaying production of an EV. They did get 19 prototypes of that robotaxi out really fast.
2:08, there is no need for any outward visibility to the occupants inside. They have no way of controlling the car.
There is the issue of motion sickness when you are in a moving vehicle and can't see out.
@@robertkirchner7981 yeah, it has windows. You don't need mirrors. I should have been more clear.
I wonder if the vehicle is Cybercab (like Cybertruck), but when in business use of carrying passengers it would be a Robotaxi
I want the Aptera, not the robo cab or robo van, because of low costs, functionality and efficiency.
.. and no Elmo.
Folks keep missing the point about Tesla's taxi: Even today, FSD is good enough to permit driving the Cybercab/Robotaxi with a set of USB car gaming controllers, with only some truly minor regulatory approvals/exceptions needed (it's drive-by-wire taken to the limit). Sure, Tesla will demo it as autonomously as possible, but I bet early orders will require purchase of a "Controller Pack". Wanna bet there are mounting points already included hidden behind trim, under the dash and on the floor?
In other words, THIS IS THE MODEL 2.
I would be more interested in how this, (Tesla) compares to Open Pilot. Slippage in time for new developments is maybe to be expected. Being overly optimistic is somewhat a human condition, as most of us do this as a matter of everyday hope. PI 4 before the roadster, most likely. Cybercab does have a look of attempting to be more aerodynamic, my head says the Aptera might be a lower drag, but without a wind tunnel who knows?
FSD is in another class compared to Open Pilot. Open Pilot is more of an automatic cruise control and lane-keeping, which is great! Tesla has Autopilot, which does the same thing essentially. To get Open Pilot to FSD, CommaAI will need huge AI server farms, cameras all around the vehicles, and billions of miles of training data. Probably won’t happen, but OP is still a great assistant from what I’ve seen, maybe as good or better than any other lane-keeping system out there.
We didn't have end to end neural networks to make stuff like self driving cars happen until recently. Nor did the technology exist to even sanely think personal, intelligent, robots could be sold to the public. If ever there was a time that FSD can become a thing, it's now. And yes, the Aptera will come to market in 2025 from all indications. Small numbers mind you, but some will get their vehicles in 2025. I'm thinking too that the "Robotaxi" will be ready by 2025 too. The regulations to make them road legal will take longer though.
Cybercab looks very much like the Honda CRX from early 1980's to 1991.
It's will be fully autonomous, it doesn't need rare driver visibility, because there is no driver.
Steve, I suggest that you watch the Electric Viking's video, This Is What the Robotaxi should have been. It's about Aptera, and looks like it has an interview with Steve Fambro.
So it is a race between CyberCab, Tesla Roadster, and Aptera on which will come out first. Vagas needs to put up some odds.
My money is on Aptera.
Figuratively and literally.
Robo Van converted into an autonomous mobile home covered with solar cells might be the most space & energy efficient mobile home ever (no steering wheel no driver seat). Sleep, work, play or eat/cook while driving to a new destination. People want privacy or want to be fully public, and robo Van public transport does not offer this.
Even Tesla will not get regulations changed in years that are necessary for their robotaxi given how slow government works.
That’s gonna be compounded with their technology not being ready. Also, the insurgent industry is going to kick the liability can down the road.
@@madmotorcyclist unless Musk streamlines it
@@martinbebow9190 He'll have to grease a lot of palms to do it.
@@sojourner4726 Well, When Trump is elected president he has promised Elon the post of Department of Transportation and Elon will make it so😵💫
Needless to say the Tesla Event was underwhelming. RoboTaxi/CyberTaxi is still a gleam in some "Production" eye, years away. I agree with those that say the RoboTaxi is the basis for a Model 2, but that is still a few year away as well, but will be a strong competitor if around 30K and eligible for the Federal Government Incentive if it is still in play at that point. We owned a Model 3 with full self driving (Admittedly a past version, maybe level 3+) and stopped using it when all of the incidents of accidents happened and it was under investigation by the NHTSA. It certainly wasn't ready for prime time then. We will see an Aptera PI4 long before any level of a Tesla Model 2 and I suspect strongly, a production Aptera before any version of a Tesla Model 2 to include a prototype with wheel and pedals. I edited this post to include reference to the NHTSA's recent announcement that they will be investigating Tesla FSD due to another fatal crash where it was involved. The investigation will include all 2.5M FSD equipped Teslas in the U.S.
Another similarity between robotaxi and aptera: 40kWh battery
aptera is fiction, Tesla is the best selling car in US.
@@RajivPanjeet not just the best-selling, also the best car in the world! Aptera is going to have its time in the sun too. Can't wait to park it next to my Model 3
@@RajivPanjeet Actually, The Model Y is the 4th best selling vehicle in the U.S. As usual, the Ford and Chevy pickups are 1 and 2 and the Toyota RAV 4 is number three.
@@johnmalcom9159 what a genius, I said CAR not truck or SUV.
@@johnmalcom9159 acktshually ur not as smart as you think you are
I am annoyed by Aptera's constant timeline slippage, but I have kept my reservation because they are being extremely transparent on what they are working on and when they are working on it.
they can make the cybertruck for the announced price, but there are money on the table from the people willing to pay more, so Tesla collects.
Elon is not writing FSD, it is his team. The timeline and the cybercab event is IMO to motivate his team to get FSD on the market. Tesla engineers also watch this channel - there is a good chance that also the production version of the robotaxi will be made of carbon. Imagine how that will simplify the production process. But can they pull that off without acquiring a company specialized in volume carbon?
Level 5 = bus.
I really like your channel and I am definitely not an Elon Musk fanboy, but I think you're wrong about when FSD is happening. It's sort of like the boiling frog problem. It keeps improving but is still not approved due to regulations, and accident statistics with full self-driving engaged are much better than without it. But that is looking backward and it has drastically improved very recently in terms of disengagements.
A big part of the problem is what do you call safe enough to be approved. To get to the point I think it's going to be approved sooner than you think, but politics will get in the way because of Elon's terrible political judgement.
BTW I love Aptera's approach and want to get one. I have used openpilot a lot and will definitely get it also for an Aptera I buy. I am a happy Tesla investor but not owner. Rebates in 2019 made it more affordable to buy a used 2016 e-golf and a new Hyundai Kona electric.
Tesla doesn't have a a feature called "Full Self Driving" it's name is "Full Self Driving Supervised". They deliberately changed the name when they removed the 'Beta' tag so it was obvious that the driver needs to be fully attentive and ready to take over. (also you said it was 'Beta' it's not, please try to keep up)
Steve I think you miss the 1st principal item and efficiency was not it. It is a purpose built design to be a cab. The CC is not meant to be driven by a human, only humans need mirrors. The trunk is designed to hold two of the largest bags allowed on air flights plus two carry-on bags. None of NHTSA levels for autonomy require mirrors.
They made 20 and currently get 5.5 miles per kWh and think they can get 6. The range is 200 miles so maybe 34-40kWh pack? There are forward cameras just behind the doors [high up]. Tail camera, 2 forward cameras top of windshield and the side rear views. You do not have much of any controls just infotainment system. The industry records of cabs show that 80% of fairs are 1 person and 10-12% are 2. Greater numbers will be served by the current fleet of owners of Y's and 3's that participate [they had 15 of each at the event in AI software version]. I think that Elon is betting that the new Mega AI processors will solve FSD. I think about 8 billion in chips will be bought this year by Tesla just for Texas. 50,000 new nVidia AI chips plus Dojo and some AMD mixed together in Austin alone that will consume over 500 MWh in a year or less from now. I think the NY system is also being built out but might be held back by talks with the state. Plus he wants access to none driving cars for remote processing and will pay for it. Oh, they also showed a robotic cleaning system for taxi fleets. But who has to take out insurance and what kind? This is a state issue! As they have learned from trying to run their own insurance company. Plus business license as a taxi, or airport access?
There is a youtube vid by someone in the crowd of Sandy M looking CC over and talking to the tech's. When he moved back towards the crowd, someone asked what he thought. He replied it was great and made from carbon fiber. Dr. Knowitall says the CC's were made from a moldable carbon fiber that would be too tedious to make thousands of so it will probably be high tech plastics for the body and mega castings. I told him to take a look at Aptera's BinC and that is what the cybertrucks bed is made from; CF-SMC. All the bodies are wrapped. Tailosive has a good comparison of it to aptera! I like most of his take on it.
What I don't buy is that this is going to solve traffic jams or turn parking lots into gardens. For a number of reasons, but my best example I think is tailgating parties! Many of those sports fans are generational. Owning the same parking lot spot for home games of whatever sport for decades along with box seats. Another example is airports. CYBERLYFT channel just did some tests of FSD at an airport in Florida that showed flaws in navigating the lanes to the right area in a couple of cases. Waymo has basically established the path to getting licensed by cities and what data NHTSA wants. The head of Waymo said Tesla is way ahead of them when it comes to full autonomy with massively more data.
Statements that are TOO forward-thinking don't help the stonk-price when these aren't fulfilled when expected.
Maybe Tesla will have the political power to allow a camera instead of a mirror.
Cybertruck only has a camera
@@juliahello6673 Good to know.
@@juliahello6673 For the rear, I would imagine MaxIsRetired is referring to the side mirrors.
There is no need for side mirrors, if the human can't control the car...
With fully automounts cars (assuming those will ever be a thing) mirrors will be a thing of the past.
You need a few beers to find that robotaxi attractive! 😁
Yeah, I agree that there is ZERO chance that the RoboTaxi will come out in 2026, and/or come out at $30K. As you mentioned, the Cybertruck went from a $40K announced price to (nearly 4 years later) a minimum buyers cost of $125K! Nice work outlining the false/missed promises for FSD actually becoming Full Self Driving. And because Musk has designed the RoboTaxi with no steering wheel or accelerator/brake pedals, now the minimum time for the RoboTaxi vehicle release is tied directly to unsupervised Full Self Driving regulatory approval. Plus I will add that Elon stated that the RoboTaxi will NOT have a NACS plug, which takes away the achievement of having 60,000 Superchargers available to use. And really limits the Robotaxi's extendable range, charging speed, and practicality.
A fair assessment. Cybertruck had 1 million pre-orders just a year ago, but ended their reservation program after delivering just 25,000 vehicles; a 2.5% conversion rate. Tesla has not introduced a successful new product since Model Y and even that was merely an evolution of Model 3, which was introduced in 2016. It's fine to speculate with new market categories as the rewards can be massive, but the chances of success tend to be very low. Tesla is today at the leading edge of automotive manufacturing, yet may be in serious trouble.
Were I an investor, I would have sold my shares the instant that they threw the baseball at a standard automotive window at last year's Cybertruck event just to satisfy their insane boss. The discomfort in that room was palpable, yet the audience cheered afterward anyway just to please the toddler with the microphone. That really worries me about their, and our, future. Pandering is unbelievably dangerous when its being done at a three-quarter-trillion dollar company; actual *lives* hang in the balance.
3:00 it was stated in a previous video by Aptera, that the mandatory presence of side view mirrors is an autocycle rule. Don't know about cars.
Mirrors are required for cars. Case in point, if you remove the doors on a Jeep you are to have side mirrors. Thus why the aftermarket sells side mirrors that bolt on as the OEM ones are attached to the door. There are companies (like Honda) that have a mirror and a camera.
The changes in the Aptera reduce engineering and software demands to get to production. The shape similarities between robo-taxi and Aptera are driven by aerodynamics. Timeline slippage is due to the lack of billions of dollars. The universe has ironically imposed the need on the Aptera company to be as efficient as the Aptera vehicle. We, Aptera reservation holders and investors, are the benefactors of this beautiful coincidence. 🎉😊🎉
The "cinematic pastiche" Tesla always seems so stuck on just gets more and more worn out. From Bladerunner to Terminator and all the rest.
there will be room for other cars on the road alongside tesla
one thing about the robotaxi and the mirror situation i think that they have right,
its attached to the body of the car, instead of the door.
i would have liked to have seen the aptera with no wires routed into the door, manual windows and camera mirror attached to the body instead of the door.
it's quite the headache in older cars when the wires that route through the door become brittle and either short out or break.
yes yes i know, that'll be 20 years from when the car is manufactured.
hey if we are going to keep our apteras and make them generational vehicles, i expect that it will out live me.
Elon takes a very aggressive tact toward regulators. It sometimes helps to make positive change, but it’s very dangerous game. Obviously regulators are influenced by the majority of the markets they oversee and if those markets are not ready for change it will be hard to change the regulations to adopt sensible forward-thinking change. Will the next fight end with better regulation, or Elon in jail? I’ll have my popcorn and my right to petition.
Using Elon as the standard is setting the bar a bit low.
In some ways whilst in other ways he's special.
hater
My first thought exactly.
@@RajivPanjeet
Just stop. Stop with this "hater" nonsense.
Have you no capacity to empathize and see that other people have different ideas and different use cases and different needs than you have?
Just because we've become cynical over the constant delays doesn't make us "haters" , except for hating the delays.
I don't know about you, but I didn't just put an order on a vehicle three years ago. I invested a bunch of money, and I am not rich. So I'm losing two different ways here, because this company is nowhere near a reasonable timeline trajectory. Nowhere near.
Think about it - how many times have you ordered a brand new consumer product and was told you had to wait 7 years after you were told at the time of ordering that you were going to get it in seven months, as I was told by Aptera. You think that somebody that has a problem with that is a "hater" ?
Learn to discuss without making personal insults and slights. It's the mature thing to do. This is a good UA-cam channel where most people are quite civil and respectful, even if they disagree. Please adopt that attitude if you're going to participate.
Nobody wants to be lectured by anybody here, including by you. I don't like having to lecture you right now, but this "hater" stuff has to stop, so lecture I must.
Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink have employees who have been amazingly innovative and productive. It’s a shame that Elon Musk brings such disrespect and dishonor to the great things their creativity and labor has achieved through his bad behavior. Accordingly, I will not purchase a thing that is associated with that reckless, foolhardy, egotistical, execrable autocrat.
If I bought an Aptera, I would want to get a trailer with solar panels to go with it. I would want to figure out the length that would be suitable. If it was 12 feet long, how many solar cells can it hold while travelling? Could it have a battery pack built in? And could this trailer have 2 additional panels included so the 3 panels could become the roof of a tent?
The shape of aptera and Teslas robo car are similar because the laws of aerodynamics are the same for any maker. So the most efficient shape is similar. By reducing drag Tesla can use fewer batteries that reduces cost. Tesla is still a steel car and has four wheels. Apteras design is more extreme than Teslas. Using three wheels and a carbon and aluminum body the aptera is s still more efficient than the Tesla. Concerning the $30,000 pricetag.......I am skeptical because Tesla loads their cars with many features. I find most of them unnecessary as I don't use a car for an entertainment.......I use a car for transportation. Also add $6000 for fsd software. Tesla options are not cheap some paint colors from Tesla cost thousands of dollars. Then there is the maintenance issue. Tesla maintenance is costly where aptera is friendly for owner/third party maintenance. You bring up a good point the pricing. I remember when cyber truck was going to cost *$40,000. Tesla is making what they call their foundation series cyber truck......with every option for around $100,000. They anticipate the standard cyber truck will run $60-80,000. That's a far cry from the original $40,000..!!!!....then there is the issue of apteras solar cells. No, I am not worried about Teslas cyber car......,.or add a steering wheel and its Teslas model 2......
I've noticed a lot of Aptera hate lately. While i think some is coming from sincere, real people, i think a lot are likely to be paid Trolls. This is something Microsoft has done for years. Paid people to post negative comments about whatever they feel like has market share they want.
I actually worked with a guy who had that job for Microsoft (after he wasn't doing it anymore)
Love the video title :)
I dont think the massive slippage on full self driving by Tesla excuses the slippage by Aptera. The Aptera seems like a great design and a significant step forward in EV's. But I have lost all faith in Aptera getting the job done. I canceled my reservation yesterday. I was sad to do that because I really, really wanted an Aptera, but at some point you just have to move on.
Agree 100%, and I am an investor
Same here, they have had enough time to get it right but changes keep coming.
Thanks for posting.
I don’t think we will see a CyberCab or Model 3 anytime soon. I think Elon is just going to cash flow Tesla to support his other endeavors. Remember the former Twitter is losing tons of money.
Aptera is keenly motivated to get their vehicle on the road
I hope Aptera has the PI builds doing validation before Xmas and a nice progress report in my stocking. The roadster will unveil in Late January at best and mini-thrusters will not get approval for street use. Not even sure about drag strips? Maybe Bonneville desert! The taxi is going to happen but I still think Las Vegas ends up having them in tunnels first. Tesla has the potential to do SMC itself. They already have a Dye factory in Austin for making mega cast dyes, stamping dyes and plastics molding casts. SMC has the best potential of making safe, less expensive EV's or other platforms.
I preordered an Aptera and invested in the company early. I have been a big proponent of their vehicle and message of solar mobility. With their latest delay to the schedule, however, I have no faith now that they will ever deliver anything. I will probably buy a Tesla instead.
same here, Aptera2 is not going to make it
Tesla 100% copied Aptera in the design of the cyber cab.
Please read SAE J3106
The all wheel drive Cybertruck is now available for order at $79990.
Tell Musk he can come back to me when he has that $25K EV. Otherwise he can eat my shorts. 🤪
I agree that is hard to know what will happen with the RoboTaxi which is really just a concept. It is also hard to know what customer will accept in the marketplace. For example, suppose they built the RoboTaxi with a small battery. Would you buy a city car that doubles as an Uber business? Will governments accept/allow it to operate. As you pointed out with the Roadster, is there a need for that vehicle if some EVs are already at 2-3secs. I'm not sure and I think Telsa may be using these events to figure out the market before committing the factory space.
I don't think companies actually think they are delivering a vehicle when they say. Aptera saying 2022 was obviously ridiculous, they knew it would take longer.
With NO requirement for a driver, the isn't a need for having rear view line of sight OR mirrors, including side mirrors! However, add the features needed for a driver along with solar charging, and I would seriously consider buying that version of the CyberCab in lieu of the Aptera LE that keeps being kicked down the road. BTW comparing the Tesla Roadster to an Aptera makes as much sense as comparing a Lamborghini Countach to a VW Kafer!
Perhaps Elon Musk will see the wisdom of (and Aptera should sell him on) a fleet of 1,000-mile Apteras for his Robo/Cyber-Taxi project. I suspect that Aptera will be far more efficient and Tesla has the technology for sensors, self-driving, etc. in fact I would be willing to wait longer on my Launch Edition if this would get Aptera the funding they need to get to mass production.
im confused. Did Elon write this speech or Donald? Wait I know. Trump would ciiam that he already did it.
I have 8000 shares of Aptera but I think Aptera has lost its window of opportunity.
Me too 1500 shares. If slip much more I will leave them behind.
The best window was years ago. We may have another window coming up, but in the meantime, the cash bleed is real.
@@TheScottShepard I don’t see any window ahead. Tesla is closing it
Tesla, GM, and Ford all seem to be pushing out their affordable vehicles into the future.
@@GNiessen you can’t compare Tesla to GM and Ford
3:45 1/1/26 is a little different than 12/31/26. You seem to get comfort that Tesla has time slippage, and it makes you feel better. You're starting to sound like that terrible mod from the Aptera subreddit. "I'll criticize the opp to assuage my fears."
Elon is a liability
Nothing he says should be taken seriously
He does push the envelope in shit talking and can take credit when his engineers cracks a problem
You mean, "hold my joint". Musk is a pothead, not a beer drrinker. Has become a narcissist who I shall never admire
LMAO!
except Musk instilled confidence despite delays from having a previously successful venture called Paypal
Elon doesn't have anything to prove. The cars he has brought to market have made him a billionaire, (at one point he was even a trillionaire). At this point, Aptera hasn't made a single cent in profit, and hasn't delivered a single vehicle to its customers, and has a pre-order list of 50,000, whereas Tesla has already delivered more than 5 million vehicles. There is literally no comparison. Are you also going to compare Elio to Tesla? Paul Elio has missed even more timelines than Elon, does that mean he really isn't doing that badly after all? Not that I think Aptera is in the same category as Elio, but even the much-maligned Nikola has at least delivered more vehicles than either Aptera or Elio. What's that saying about the proof of the pudding?
I spoke to Chris at San Francisco and he was confident about getting the money. If Aptera is so confident that the car is production worthy they should consider an IPO once they have a couple dozen cars to sell. The approach they’re taking now is too slow.
I wonder why it's slow inspite of what you were told?
@@artsmith103 yup. In Silicon Valley speed is of essence. I understand why Aptera would want to avoid VC money as those people are ruthless but that’s the system Aptera is up against. I do want Aptera to succeed as I love their ethical approach to business but the question is can they get there fast enough.
@@greghelton4668 I suspect quite different. I think they are incapable of building the trike and don't want to associate with anyone that will expose them. Their years of failed claims have gotten them $150M donations via crowdfunding but the 3rd more professional investment type firm appears to be saying no to Aptera. Qualified critics have pointed out a lot of design shortcomings. IWM, belly cooling, AWD have all been deleted due to conflicts. No performance specs have ever been demonstrated. How could they not demo the kWh to drive to In-N-Out nor show the solar charging while parked at the beach? Critics estimated a 7-10 kWh battery in Gamma for a long time. Fanboys laughed at the suggestion. I hope no one else loses money to Aptera.
What would the path to bankruptcy look like?
Answer -Unfortunately, just like what we are seeing.
You underestimate Aptera’s timeline slippage. It began when my daughter was in kindergarten in 2008, and now she’s started medical school. Will I see an Aptera before she becomes a doctor? Or before she has to take the car keys away from me?
Does this company have ADHD? It should’ve been released a long time ago, but I fear the window of opportunity is closing. It’s been sacrificed at the altar of hyping up an unrealistic "solar mobility" dream when it could have been the world’s most efficient commuter car.
Trying to excuse Aptera’s failures and delays by pulling in Tesla’s failures and delays is not comparable due to the fact that at least Tesla has products out there to purchase and drive. While I don’t believe Cybercab will be ready in 2026, they could throw in a steering wheel and pedals and produce a cheaper EV next year. Will they, I don’t know. When it comes to Aptera, I have lost all faith, and as an investor, I am already prepared to lose my investment. Aptera and Tesla need to come together and work on the vehicle together.
If Telsa ever bought out Aptera, I don't necessarily think that would be a good thing. I would think if Musk ever invested in Aptera, it would be to bury the product or use it exclusively for fleet purposes and not for sale on the open market.
@@stevemontana1878 possibly, but who knows. Elon isn’t a Billionaire because he doesn’t sell things. If it works and there’s money to be made he sells it.
@@glennturner1057 My point is Aptera could be seen as a category killer. It would threaten a shift in mobility that could destroy others’ margins. Tesla is shrewd. If a low cost, low cost to operate vehicle were to come to market, I would imagine they would financially benefit to keep the Aptera off the streets unless they were used to derive operating income.
When you have to compare your issues with issues other companies have faced you are just admitting desperation has set in. Honestly, you are just coping.
Yes, don't push back at the idiotic concern trolls who whinge about Aptera's delays as if it never happened to a startup before! The fact that a billionaire with an established record of producing millions of EVs has a far worse record of time line slippage really doesn't matter. Not fair to bring it up! It smacks of punching back! You are supposed to just embrace the whinge.
1000% correct, Aptera2 is dead before arrival
@@RajivPanjeet 1,000%? Wow, that's a lot. Not sure how that works, but impressive nonetheless!
@@GullWingInnMoclips Aptera has launched 200% more companies than products sold! Theyve also raised infinitely more money than profit theyve generated. Truly magicians!
@@RajivPanjeet I love your mad-math-mutterings... truly inspired! Of course, it has little to do with the feat of actually building a unique vehicle from scratch while carrying a mega-fvck-load of whingey ankle biters onboard... which is far more impressive than your percentage bleatings... but, please do continue. You are 100% of something.
Aptera has never built a single vehicle that demonstrates its claims.
It currently has no credibility as a manufacturer because it hasn't earned any.
They have no design or plan on the table to viably build you what they promised.
The USCG "offering" was a long-form epitaph.
sure sure
Mush is full of himself. Elon Mush mouth.
Be careful AOC. You have just offended a bunch of Tesla fans. You will be called Tesla hater.
But using someone else behavior to excuse Aptera is quite inappropriate.
1000% correct, Aptera2 is dead before arrival
Why is this channel called, "Aptera Owner's Club" when nobody has ever owned one since they began building prototypes in 2004-05?
many of us will be dead by the time we get our car........................................
Haha, they say "definitely before 2027" is a guarantee that it will be after 2027
aptera needs to file for bankruptcy already
They'd have to be bankrupt. They're not. If they filed for bankruptcy, they'd be denied.
They could arrange to become bankrupt easily enough, but that's a worse look than merely failing.
Not for nothing, but you sound like a Tesla hater. Take a look at the bill of materials and Tesla’s innovation in manufacturing. This car will be the first to use the unboxed process, likely with Optimus robots. Comparing Tesla’s potential delays to Aptera, a company that hasn’t even shipped a production car, feels disingenuous at best.
There are no Aptera on the road. Not one unit sold. Elon has missed targets. Two things can be true at the same time. There are Teslas on the road. What's your point? Aptera apologist?
1000% correct, Aptera2 is dead before arrival
unsubbed, this is desperate behavior. RIP Aptera2, maybe youll find more suckers in 2040 for Aptera 3